[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Cyclelicious

[doug peterson]

That's what can happen when go on tour.  People are intrigued by
someone on a bike who's obviously traveling some distance.  Being on a
bike you are approachable & voila, start of conversation.  It's a
bunch of fun.  Manny, it sounds like you had such a great time, my
guess is you're hooked on touring now.

dougP

On Aug 1, 3:19 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Great picture!!!

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

> From the subject line on this thread, I was expecting a link to an
> eBay listing for a necktie bearing the Rivendell logo. Which would
> indeed be curious, since that's one item I could never imagine RBW
> selling!

:)

Got carried away with the caps.

On Aug 1, 5:02 pm, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
> From the subject line on this thread, I was expecting a link to an
> eBay listing for a necktie bearing the Rivendell logo. Which would
> indeed be curious, since that's one item I could never imagine RBW
> selling!
>
> Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

> The description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
> B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
> (Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
> and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
> Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
> set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."

Aware of this.  But Brooks produces many special editions.  In fact,
there currently are a number of new in box special editions offered
(at a discount by the way) by other sellers on eBay.

My issue is not with the seller pointing out the Riv connection.  But
rather the implication the mere mention of Rivendell will cause buyers
to part with sense and sensibility.  I for one like to think Riv fans
are smarter than the average bear and will not blithely over pay for
something just because the seller says Rivendell.

On Aug 1, 3:40 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> Joel,
> Without dragging this discussion too much further, one comment I'd
> make pertaining to the item that the seller is offering on eBay is
> that it's not the same as the current Brooks B.17 models.  The
> description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
> B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
> (Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
> and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
> Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
> set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."
>
> Two things stand out in that description versus the current models of
> the B.17.  One is "Pro-thick"..leather, the other is chromed rails.
> The current models of the B.17 are frequently mentioned in various
> forums as having poorer quality leather in the saddle which is not as
> durable as the earlier Brooks B.17.  The current saddles are reported
> as sometimes wearing out before they are broken in (this has
> specifically been mentioned by Jan Heine).  In addition, if someone
> wants a chrome rail B.17 they definitely can't purchase a new one from
> Rivendell, or anyone else for that matter.
>
> I agree with you, by the way, that price the Seller is asking on eBay
> appears too high.  It may, however, have some justification to be
> described as a "special model" (they were never sold in some nifty
> box, by the way).
>
> Jim Cloud
>
> On Aug 1, 1:10 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > > originally.
>
> > As I have I both selling and buying.
>
> > That is what auctions are all about.  What caught my attention with
> > this sale however, is the seller set the initial price $55.00 above
> > what a new B-17 costs.  Again, if the saddle is unused and still in
> > special edition box, maybe it is worth a mark up.  Still not sure
> > about a $55.00 mark up, but whatever.
>
> > If I were selling that saddle, I would put the base price at $70.00
> > and feel really good if bidding brought it up to $120.00.  As it is, I
> > will be real surprised if the saddle sells.  Stranger things have
> > happened.
>
> > On Aug 1, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
>
> > > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > > originally.  The eBay market is a contract between the Seller and the
> > > Buyer, if the Buyer wants something enough to pay for it, whatever the
> > > price, whose problem is that?
>
> > > I also have a Brook B.17 saddle that I purchased originally from
> > > Rivendell back in 1997 or so.  It looks  very similar to the one the
> > > Seller has available presently (mine is marked "6D9").  Since I'm not
> > > using this saddle I've definitely marked this Seller's item on my
> > > watch list.  I'd have absolutely no qualms selling my saddle for more
> > > than what I paid!
>
> > > In addition, I've frequently seen posts on this forum and other
> > > related forums (Internet-BOB) where someone nailed a very nice bike at
> > > a yard sale for next to nothing.  The poster frequently brags about
> > > their buy and how they negotiated with the seller to obtain a lower
> > > price.  Is this fair?
>
> > > By the way, I don't buy anything on eBay that I can get for less money
> > > from another source.
>
> > > Jim Cloud
> > > Tucson, AZ
>
> > > On Aug 1, 4:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> > > > sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> > > > sell you one new:
>
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[Angus]

If you take a look at the enlarged pictures, it looks like the leather
is already cracking around the rear rivetshmmm.

Angus

On Aug 1, 3:40 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> Joel,
> Without dragging this discussion too much further, one comment I'd
> make pertaining to the item that the seller is offering on eBay is
> that it's not the same as the current Brooks B.17 models.  The
> description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
> B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
> (Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
> and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
> Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
> set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."
>
> Two things stand out in that description versus the current models of
> the B.17.  One is "Pro-thick"..leather, the other is chromed rails.
> The current models of the B.17 are frequently mentioned in various
> forums as having poorer quality leather in the saddle which is not as
> durable as the earlier Brooks B.17.  The current saddles are reported
> as sometimes wearing out before they are broken in (this has
> specifically been mentioned by Jan Heine).  In addition, if someone
> wants a chrome rail B.17 they definitely can't purchase a new one from
> Rivendell, or anyone else for that matter.
>
> I agree with you, by the way, that price the Seller is asking on eBay
> appears too high.  It may, however, have some justification to be
> described as a "special model" (they were never sold in some nifty
> box, by the way).
>
> Jim Cloud
>
> On Aug 1, 1:10 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > > originally.
>
> > As I have I both selling and buying.
>
> > That is what auctions are all about.  What caught my attention with
> > this sale however, is the seller set the initial price $55.00 above
> > what a new B-17 costs.  Again, if the saddle is unused and still in
> > special edition box, maybe it is worth a mark up.  Still not sure
> > about a $55.00 mark up, but whatever.
>
> > If I were selling that saddle, I would put the base price at $70.00
> > and feel really good if bidding brought it up to $120.00.  As it is, I
> > will be real surprised if the saddle sells.  Stranger things have
> > happened.
>
> > On Aug 1, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
>
> > > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > > originally.  The eBay market is a contract between the Seller and the
> > > Buyer, if the Buyer wants something enough to pay for it, whatever the
> > > price, whose problem is that?
>
> > > I also have a Brook B.17 saddle that I purchased originally from
> > > Rivendell back in 1997 or so.  It looks  very similar to the one the
> > > Seller has available presently (mine is marked "6D9").  Since I'm not
> > > using this saddle I've definitely marked this Seller's item on my
> > > watch list.  I'd have absolutely no qualms selling my saddle for more
> > > than what I paid!
>
> > > In addition, I've frequently seen posts on this forum and other
> > > related forums (Internet-BOB) where someone nailed a very nice bike at
> > > a yard sale for next to nothing.  The poster frequently brags about
> > > their buy and how they negotiated with the seller to obtain a lower
> > > price.  Is this fair?
>
> > > By the way, I don't buy anything on eBay that I can get for less money
> > > from another source.
>
> > > Jim Cloud
> > > Tucson, AZ
>
> > > On Aug 1, 4:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> > > > sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> > > > sell you one new:
>
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell on Cyclelicious

[Rene Sterental]

Great picture!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[Shaun Meehan]

>From the subject line on this thread, I was expecting a link to an
eBay listing for a necktie bearing the Rivendell logo. Which would
indeed be curious, since that's one item I could never imagine RBW
selling!

Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[Jim Cloud]

Joel,
Without dragging this discussion too much further, one comment I'd
make pertaining to the item that the seller is offering on eBay is
that it's not the same as the current Brooks B.17 models.  The
description in my Rivendell No. 3 catalog (Summer 1997) for the Brooks
B.17 saddle that Rivendell was selling at the time reads as follows
(Grant's words, I would assume): "The prettiest saddle in the world,
and the most comfortable we've sat on.  A spiffed up (just for
Rivendell) B.17 with Brooks Pro-thick honey brown leather, large hand-
set copper rivets, chromed rails, and a chamfered lower edge."

Two things stand out in that description versus the current models of
the B.17.  One is "Pro-thick"..leather, the other is chromed rails.
The current models of the B.17 are frequently mentioned in various
forums as having poorer quality leather in the saddle which is not as
durable as the earlier Brooks B.17.  The current saddles are reported
as sometimes wearing out before they are broken in (this has
specifically been mentioned by Jan Heine).  In addition, if someone
wants a chrome rail B.17 they definitely can't purchase a new one from
Rivendell, or anyone else for that matter.

I agree with you, by the way, that price the Seller is asking on eBay
appears too high.  It may, however, have some justification to be
described as a "special model" (they were never sold in some nifty
box, by the way).

Jim Cloud

On Aug 1, 1:10 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > originally.
>
> As I have I both selling and buying.
>
> That is what auctions are all about.  What caught my attention with
> this sale however, is the seller set the initial price $55.00 above
> what a new B-17 costs.  Again, if the saddle is unused and still in
> special edition box, maybe it is worth a mark up.  Still not sure
> about a $55.00 mark up, but whatever.
>
> If I were selling that saddle, I would put the base price at $70.00
> and feel really good if bidding brought it up to $120.00.  As it is, I
> will be real surprised if the saddle sells.  Stranger things have
> happened.
>
> On Aug 1, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> > my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> > originally.  The eBay market is a contract between the Seller and the
> > Buyer, if the Buyer wants something enough to pay for it, whatever the
> > price, whose problem is that?
>
> > I also have a Brook B.17 saddle that I purchased originally from
> > Rivendell back in 1997 or so.  It looks  very similar to the one the
> > Seller has available presently (mine is marked "6D9").  Since I'm not
> > using this saddle I've definitely marked this Seller's item on my
> > watch list.  I'd have absolutely no qualms selling my saddle for more
> > than what I paid!
>
> > In addition, I've frequently seen posts on this forum and other
> > related forums (Internet-BOB) where someone nailed a very nice bike at
> > a yard sale for next to nothing.  The poster frequently brags about
> > their buy and how they negotiated with the seller to obtain a lower
> > price.  Is this fair?
>
> > By the way, I don't buy anything on eBay that I can get for less money
> > from another source.
>
> > Jim Cloud
> > Tucson, AZ
>
> > On Aug 1, 4:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> > > sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> > > sell you one new:
>
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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[RBW] FS 54cm Saluki

[Frankwurst]

54cm Saluki F/F/Ultegra HS, Diacompe centerpull brakes, Utility
wheelset Nexave hubs laced 3 x 32 to Zac 19 hoops. Nothing special but
they are in excellent shape. No skewers. The frame is like new. No
chips, scratches or marks of any kind. The only way you'll get one
nicer is to buy one new. Butterscotch in color. I'll be glad to send
pictures but as I stated there is not a blemish on this bike. Asking
$1200 shipped in the CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

> I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> originally.

As I have I both selling and buying.

That is what auctions are all about.  What caught my attention with
this sale however, is the seller set the initial price $55.00 above
what a new B-17 costs.  Again, if the saddle is unused and still in
special edition box, maybe it is worth a mark up.  Still not sure
about a $55.00 mark up, but whatever.

If I were selling that saddle, I would put the base price at $70.00
and feel really good if bidding brought it up to $120.00.  As it is, I
will be real surprised if the saddle sells.  Stranger things have
happened.

On Aug 1, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
> my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
> originally.  The eBay market is a contract between the Seller and the
> Buyer, if the Buyer wants something enough to pay for it, whatever the
> price, whose problem is that?
>
> I also have a Brook B.17 saddle that I purchased originally from
> Rivendell back in 1997 or so.  It looks  very similar to the one the
> Seller has available presently (mine is marked "6D9").  Since I'm not
> using this saddle I've definitely marked this Seller's item on my
> watch list.  I'd have absolutely no qualms selling my saddle for more
> than what I paid!
>
> In addition, I've frequently seen posts on this forum and other
> related forums (Internet-BOB) where someone nailed a very nice bike at
> a yard sale for next to nothing.  The poster frequently brags about
> their buy and how they negotiated with the seller to obtain a lower
> price.  Is this fair?
>
> By the way, I don't buy anything on eBay that I can get for less money
> from another source.
>
> Jim Cloud
> Tucson, AZ
>
> On Aug 1, 4:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> > sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> > sell you one new:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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[RBW] Re: Ms Foy for my wife

[RoadieRyan]

LOL

Looking forward to the pictures of the Foy.  FWIW here's what the
basket looks like in the wild

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/3981262357/in/set-72157622516710346/

On Jul 31, 7:14 pm, MobileBill  wrote:
> Roadieryan truly grasps the complexity of this issue. As he predicted,
> my wife lept over the discussion of eccentric hubs and chain
> tensioning and is now fully focused on the details of the Eleven81
> wicker basket, which she declares a stunning example of a bike basket.
> Given that I'll be doing the tire changing, at least initially, I'm
> biased toward the rear derailleur set-ups (though I spent many happy
> hours of my youth banging up a 3-speed Hercules). Thanks all for your
> comments.
>
> On Jul 26, 12:02 pm, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>
> > +1 on the 1x9 mentioned earlier.  Unless you have really big hills a
> > 1x9 with a 11-34 and a 40t ring ought to cover your wife in most
> > instances.
>
> > Now to the important stuff, get a nice basket for the front of Mz.
> > Foy.  I built up a mixte for my wife last year for her 40th and what
> > she loves most about her bike is the Eleven81 wicker basket with QR.
> > Great for errand runs or long rides in the country that require a
> > picnic stop.
>
> > Have fun, I am sure your wife will love the Foy.
>
> > On Jul 25, 12:26 pm, Ginz  wrote:
>
> > > Do keep us updated on your build. I may be undertaking the exact same
> > > exercise in a few months. My early vote is for 1x8 though I could see
> > > a granny ring being a relationship saver.
>
> > > On Jul 25, 9:45 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
>
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Sure.  Probably a few weeks.  But given my entirely self-taught and 
> > > > fraught-with-trial-and-error mechanical skills, no guarantee it will be 
> > > > right the first time
>
> > > > 
> > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:34 PM
> > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Ms Foy for my wife
>
> > > > Could you post a photo of your setup, as well as the Q measurement, 
> > > > when you have the bb and crankset assembled? Thanks.
>
> > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
> > > > mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Yes but only w/ external bearings.  Google Forward Compenents blogspot. 
> > > >  Just ordered one for installation of a Rohloff hub in my Bombadil
>
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Re: [RBW] F.S. 50cm Soma Mixte complete bike

[Bruce]

Rene:

 What a lovely bike!  I can see using this as a grocery getter, etc. Sadly, I 
am 
not in your area. I'd take it if I were. I'm sure you'll sell it easily.

Best regards

Bruce




From: Rene 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 12:41:35 PM
Subject: [RBW] F.S. 50cm Soma Mixte complete bike

I hope it is okay to post this.

Calling all Bay Area members of the RBW Owners Bunch. I am selling my
50cm Soma Mixte for $650 pick up here in San Jose.


  

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[RBW] F.S. 50cm Soma Mixte complete bike

[Rene]

I hope it is okay to post this.

Calling all Bay Area members of the RBW Owners Bunch. I am selling my
50cm Soma Mixte for $650 pick up here in San Jose.

This bike is very slightly used. I used it as my trainer bike inside
my house when I was recovering from my fight against a disease last
year. This was also used on my ride around the block when I was
eventually allowed to venture out on a bike.

Here is the link to the photos. The photos have captions to identify
the parts I used in building it up. Please note that it only has a
single chainring but with an 8-speed XTR cassette with 12 ~ 32t cogs.
The hubs are shimano nevaxe laced to mavic A319 rims.

http://tinyurl.com/2bmdxga

please email me off-list for any questions.

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[Jim Cloud]

I've sold a number of items on eBay over the years.  In some instances
my items sold for considerably more than I'd paid for them
originally.  The eBay market is a contract between the Seller and the
Buyer, if the Buyer wants something enough to pay for it, whatever the
price, whose problem is that?

I also have a Brook B.17 saddle that I purchased originally from
Rivendell back in 1997 or so.  It looks  very similar to the one the
Seller has available presently (mine is marked "6D9").  Since I'm not
using this saddle I've definitely marked this Seller's item on my
watch list.  I'd have absolutely no qualms selling my saddle for more
than what I paid!

In addition, I've frequently seen posts on this forum and other
related forums (Internet-BOB) where someone nailed a very nice bike at
a yard sale for next to nothing.  The poster frequently brags about
their buy and how they negotiated with the seller to obtain a lower
price.  Is this fair?

By the way, I don't buy anything on eBay that I can get for less money
from another source.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Aug 1, 4:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> sell you one new:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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Re: [RBW] Online Readers

[Shaun Meehan]

Thanks Jim!


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Repaint - Silver

[doug peterson]

If anyone finds scratches from these types of supports, check the
"rubbery stuff".  It wears & gets torn.  Tool dip is a rubbery stuff
in a can that can be used to re-coat the surfaces that touch the
bike.

dougP

On Aug 1, 7:19 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
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> I used one of thos Nittos on a tour on my Atlantis and it worked great.  Nary 
> a scratch.
>
>
>
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> Subject: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Repaint - Silver
>
> Angus, that looks great! By "Nitto thing" are you referring to the Nitto Wire 
> Guard that Rivendell is selling? This one:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-wire-guard/20-189
>
> How do you like it? Does it gouge the stays the way the Silver Hupe does? I 
> hope not. I'm thinking of picking one up.
>
> Anyway, great Atlantis. Looks like it's back in time to get out for some late 
> summer camping/touring trips.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Cyclelicious

[William]

Magaling!

On Jul 31, 10:33 pm, manueljohnacosta 
wrote:
> On my way back from San Diego I was approached by a guy who wanted to
> take a picture of me. I found out it was the same blogger who doe
> Cyclelicious!
>
> http://www.cyclelicio.us/2010/manny-and-his-rivendell-bleriot/
>
> -Manny

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[RBW] Re: Ms Foy for my wife

[JoelMatthews]

If you do go with a 1x8 or 1x9 set up, do not forget a chain keeper.
Couple of chain slips on solo rides and your wife will likely park the
Foy forever.

Paul makes a nice one, but there are others on the market:

http://paulcomp.com/ckclamp.html

On Jul 20, 11:52 am, MobileBill  wrote:
> In a fit of spousal munificence, I am postponing plans to buy a
> Bombadil so that I can get my wife a Betty Foy. She's unlikely to turn
> into a long-distance rider, but hope I'll have her along for a few
> miles of store hopping and socializing (over flat ground). Your
> comments on these matters are much appreciated:
>      1) My wife has the long-legged, short-body proportions of many
> females, with  PBH that's probably going to land in the low to mid-80s
> (a 58 cm frame) but an upper body that may be better suited to shorter
> virtual top tube (the 52 cm frame, which to my eye, has the more
> elegant tube angles). Any observations on the slack in the Betty Foy's
> two frame sizes (is frame size relatively less important with these
> bikes than with, say, the AHH/Saluki)?
>      2) She has a low tolerance for complicated shifters, and it's
> unlikely she will need a wide gear range _ but I'm not keen on 8-speed
> internal hubs.  Any thoughts on whether an 8-speed cassette with
> single chainring in front can be set up to suit the needs of an
> occasional, inexperienced rider?

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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

> Equally silly.  Albeit there is a cachet among certain crowds for
> being the very first to have something desirable.  I am not aware of
> any such cachet for over paying for something.

2 quick edits.  First, meant over paying for the IPhone is equally
silly, not James' comment.

Second 'over paying for something' used.

On Aug 1, 10:27 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > The older Rivendell catalogs (No.3) listed the B-17 they were selling at 
> > the time as "A spiffed up (just for Rivendell) B-17". Doesn't that mean the 
> > saddle was a unique product? Or was Rivendell ad copy just false?
>
> Yeah, and how much did Riv charge for the saddle?  Brooks made (and
> continues to make) many special edition saddles.  They rarely rise to
> the level of collectors items.  New in the box, perhaps, an older
> Brooks SE may be worth what a brand new Brooks sells for.  Not nearly
> $60.00 more.
>
> > Ebay is a free-market thing, you can ask what ever price you want, you may 
> > get it.
>
> You are arguing free-market is more important than free speech?
>
> How many iPhones were sold at a marked up price?
>
> Equally silly.  Albeit there is a cachet among certain crowds for
> being the very first to have something desirable.  I am not aware of
> any such cachet for over paying for something.
>
> On Aug 1, 9:38 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > The older Rivendell catalogs (No.3) listed the B-17 they were selling at 
> > the time as "A spiffed up (just for Rivendell) B-17". Doesn't that mean the 
> > saddle was a unique product? Or was Rivendell ad copy just false?
>
> > Ebay is a free-market thing, you can ask what ever price you want, you may 
> > get it. How many iPhones were sold at a marked up price?
>
> > Cheers!
>
> > On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:18 AM, Steve wrote:
>
> > > Welcome to EBay, where sellers of all kinds appear able to list and
> > > sell goods at far more than what one would consider a normal value.  I
> > > saw one used Sturmey Archer AW hub listed for $149 when NOS units go
> > > for $25 and a brand new hub will cost about $75.  They think that the
> > > brand name justifies some vast increase in price.
>
> > > Steve
>
> > > On Aug 1, 6:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > >> This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> > >> sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> > >> sell you one new:
>
> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...
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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

> Hi,
> The older Rivendell catalogs (No.3) listed the B-17 they were selling at the 
> time as "A spiffed up (just for Rivendell) B-17". Doesn't that mean the 
> saddle was a unique product? Or was Rivendell ad copy just false?

Yeah, and how much did Riv charge for the saddle?  Brooks made (and
continues to make) many special edition saddles.  They rarely rise to
the level of collectors items.  New in the box, perhaps, an older
Brooks SE may be worth what a brand new Brooks sells for.  Not nearly
$60.00 more.

> Ebay is a free-market thing, you can ask what ever price you want, you may 
> get it.

You are arguing free-market is more important than free speech?

How many iPhones were sold at a marked up price?

Equally silly.  Albeit there is a cachet among certain crowds for
being the very first to have something desirable.  I am not aware of
any such cachet for over paying for something.

On Aug 1, 9:38 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> Hi,
> The older Rivendell catalogs (No.3) listed the B-17 they were selling at the 
> time as "A spiffed up (just for Rivendell) B-17". Doesn't that mean the 
> saddle was a unique product? Or was Rivendell ad copy just false?
>
> Ebay is a free-market thing, you can ask what ever price you want, you may 
> get it. How many iPhones were sold at a marked up price?
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:18 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Welcome to EBay, where sellers of all kinds appear able to list and
> > sell goods at far more than what one would consider a normal value.  I
> > saw one used Sturmey Archer AW hub listed for $149 when NOS units go
> > for $25 and a brand new hub will cost about $75.  They think that the
> > brand name justifies some vast increase in price.
>
> > Steve
>
> > On Aug 1, 6:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >> This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> >> sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> >> sell you one new:
>
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
The older Rivendell catalogs (No.3) listed the B-17 they were selling at the 
time as "A spiffed up (just for Rivendell) B-17". Doesn't that mean the saddle 
was a unique product? Or was Rivendell ad copy just false?

Ebay is a free-market thing, you can ask what ever price you want, you may get 
it. How many iPhones were sold at a marked up price?

Cheers!



On Aug 1, 2010, at 5:18 AM, Steve wrote:

> Welcome to EBay, where sellers of all kinds appear able to list and
> sell goods at far more than what one would consider a normal value.  I
> saw one used Sturmey Archer AW hub listed for $149 when NOS units go
> for $25 and a brand new hub will cost about $75.  They think that the
> brand name justifies some vast increase in price.
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Aug 1, 6:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
>> sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
>> sell you one new:
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...
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RE: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Repaint - Silver

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I used one of thos Nittos on a tour on my Atlantis and it worked great.  Nary a 
scratch. 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:58 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Repaint - Silver

Angus, that looks great! By "Nitto thing" are you referring to the Nitto Wire 
Guard that Rivendell is selling? This one:

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-wire-guard/20-189

How do you like it? Does it gouge the stays the way the Silver Hupe does? I 
hope not. I'm thinking of picking one up.

Anyway, great Atlantis. Looks like it's back in time to get out for some late 
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[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[Steve]

Welcome to EBay, where sellers of all kinds appear able to list and
sell goods at far more than what one would consider a normal value.  I
saw one used Sturmey Archer AW hub listed for $149 when NOS units go
for $25 and a brand new hub will cost about $75.  They think that the
brand name justifies some vast increase in price.

Steve

On Aug 1, 6:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
> sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
> sell you one new:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewIte...

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[RBW] Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay

[JoelMatthews]

This seller apparently believes the fact this used Brooks B-17 was
sold by Rivendell means it ought to fetch more than Rivendell will
sell you one new:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Rivendell-Saddle-/280542049122?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41519bf362#ht_500wt_1154

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[RBW] Re: Ms Foy for my wife

[MichaelH]

On Jul 20, 12:52 pm, MobileBill  wrote:

>      2) She has a low tolerance for complicated shifters, and it's
> unlikely she will need a wide gear range _ but I'm not keen on 8-speed
> internal hubs.  Any thoughts on whether an 8-speed cassette with
> single chainring in front can be set up to suit the needs of an
> occasional, inexperienced rider?

First kudos for buying your wife a nice bike.

Second, I can empathize with the problem around shifting, my wife had
the same resistance to this learning.  But I have simplified it for
her.  I installed bar end shifters on her bike and she has learned to
understand them because the direction of the shifter matches the
direction of the chain movement.  This is not true with any STI or
grip shifting or even DT shifting.   Lift the shifter and lift the
chain - that gets reinforced much more quickly than trying to figure
out an STI shifter.  Silvers work great but a 9 speed set up with the
Dura Ace will also be pretty simple and reliable.

We're in VT so a single ring wont work, but I have set her bike up
with a 46/36/26.  She spends about 90% of her time in the 36, 9% in
the 26, and about 1% in the 46; so she has very little front shifting
to do.  The 36 with a 13-28 7 speed is pretty nearly all she needs or
wants, but starting from scratch I would choose 9 speed for her.

My Rambouillet is set up with a 44/30 dbl and an 11-28, 9 spd
cassette.  With a HG cassette I get very smooth friction shifts and I
also rarely shift out of the 44.  I only drop the ring on hills that
are over a mile and more than 7%.  I use the White VBC, which is
beautiful and expensive, but you can duplicate this set up with a mt
bike crank, or use an inexpensive sugino with a chain guard for a big
ring.  I'll bet she would like the chain guard.

Interesting though, now that we have a tandem my wife rarely wants to
ride her Sequoia.

keep the rubber side down, and remember the sooner you fall behind the
more time you'll have to catch up.

michael

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