[RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread MichaelH
Welcome to the list.

Michael,
Westford, Vt

On Aug 20, 4:39 pm, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
 to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
 the FAQ section and realized a couple things

 1) I should introduce myself to ya
 2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
 pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

 I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
 steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
 getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
 luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

 All the best,

 Daniel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 20:16 -0700, James Valiensi wrote:
 The Frog seat post must be the most secure and easy to adjust seat
 post in the world. I was so disappointed when Rivendell quit brining
 it in. They had the best price because they directly imported it from
 Nitto. Maybe there was pressure from the other distributers? If I need
 one now, I get it from Japan or pay the price, the thing lasts
 forever.
 

I believe the S83, which is easily available, has the same secure and
easy adjustment mechanism.  http://www.velo-orange.com/nisse.html


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[RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread JoelMatthews
 She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some luck, we may yet get her on a 
 steel frame.

Welcome indeed.  One hopes in short order you will agree with most of
us here that your wife's Jamis is not any more modern than the newly
designed newly made lugged steel frames Riv sells.

On Aug 20, 3:39 pm, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
 to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
 the FAQ section and realized a couple things

 1) I should introduce myself to ya
 2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
 pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

 I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
 steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
 getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
 luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

 All the best,

 Daniel

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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread Garth
 In regards to longer cranks, there's a lot of unfounded fear and mis-
information that gets spread .  Longer cranks don't hurt your knees,
or slow your cadence, or ruin your pedal motion. Resistance domes from
fear of change fear of the unknown. We all experience it.

There's 3 groups about longer cranks. Those that have tried them and
found them invaluable. Those that try them and didn't like them. Those
that talk about them but never tried them.


I refer to this  http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crwives.html

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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread Cycletex
Thanks for posting that. As a tall rider I've never tried long cranks.
As it happens, I take delivery of a custom bike next week with 185mm
TA cranks. I'm almost hoping that they're not all that. My other three
bikes with 175's are going to be quite costly to convert if they are.

On Aug 21, 7:13 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
  In regards to longer cranks, there's a lot of unfounded fear and mis-
 information that gets spread .  Longer cranks don't hurt your knees,
 or slow your cadence, or ruin your pedal motion. Resistance domes from
 fear of change fear of the unknown. We all experience it.

 There's 3 groups about longer cranks. Those that have tried them and
 found them invaluable. Those that try them and didn't like them. Those
 that talk about them but never tried them.

 I refer to this http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crwives.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Where did your Pro 5 Vis break? Do you know of any quality differences
between the newer production and the older ones?

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who has a collection of the older ones

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Noel emiller3...@gmail.com wrote:
 I took delivery of a pair of the VO cranks a couple of days ago, to
 replace the late production Pro 5 Vis that broke. Overall they seem
 fine so far. The cranks themselves seem approximately comparable in
 quality and finish to the TA. The backside of the chainrings is a
 pebble grain finish rather than the high polish on the front. I am
 sure this is a cost-saving measure, but it doesn't bother me. The
 crank bolts are Allen head which I dislike. I replaced them with
 standard 15mm bolts and then discovered the big ugly Allen head
 dustcaps don't fit over them, and the TA dustcaps are a different
 thread. So I ended up using the Allen head bolts and dustcaps. I'm
 sure they'll work, but I don't care much for the appearance.

 All the chainring bolts are Allen head both inside and outside. The
 inner bolts (the ones that hold both rings to the crank) foul the BB
 fixed cup. (SKF brand). I had to file material off of each inner bolt.
 Also, none of the bolts were greased, so I had to disassemble all of
 them and grease them.

 I consider these all minor foibles. As long as these ones don't break,
 I'll have no complaints. The pinned and ramped rings, FWIW, do shift
 better than the plain TA ones.

 Re. length: I grew up on 175 for road racing and 170 for track. I
 personally have a hard time understanding the fixation with 172.5, and
 would be interested in the results of some double-blind tests for the
 aficionados. I've been riding for about 30 years, some of which were
 as a cat. 1 on the track, and I'm not sure I could tell apart cranks
 with a 2.5mm difference. I am positive that even if I can, it won't
 matter. Some people may just be more sensitive, I guess -- but I'm
 still skeptical!

 Re. VO quality: I like their stuff and have a lot of it. Most if it is
 not quite as good as the stuff it is copying, but I haven't yet run
 into any junk. I did sell a used VO saddle to a 230 pounder, who later
 broke a rivet. That's the only really negative experience I am
 personally aware of with their stuff.

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Re: [RBW] New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread cyclotourist
Hi Daniel, heads up that there are some SoCal rides rumored to be coming up
in the future:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/
Hope you can make it to some of them!

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
 to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
 the FAQ section and realized a couple things

 1) I should introduce myself to ya
 2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
 pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

 I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
 steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
 getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
 luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

 All the best,

 Daniel

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All-Rounder 59cm

2010-08-21 Thread William
That
bike
is
really
beautiful

On Aug 20, 6:26 pm, Chris Cullum cullum.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, this one hurts but I really don't use it enough to warrant holding
 on to it...

 Rivendell All-Rounder, Joe Starck built, Joe Bell paint burnt orange
 with cream headtube

 59cm C-T, 57cm top tube, 44.5cm to centre of horizontal dropout
 chainstays, 2 deg upslope to top tube, IIRC 72 deg parallel seat and
 head tube angles, standover mid top tube is just under 33 or 83.5cm,
 3 water bottle braze-ons, huge tire clearance (26 559 wheels size)

 Nitto Frog seatpost, Brooks honey B17 saddle, Nitto Tech Deluxe 110mm
 stem, Nitto Noodle 46cm bars with shellacked blue cateye cloth tape,
 Tektro levers and mid-profile Shimano XT cantis with KoolStop salmon
 pads

 Shimano Ultegra 8 speed barcons, XT front and rear derailleurs, XTR
 M900 cranks (the ultimate) with 46/36/26t rings, UN7x 107mm BB, 12-28
 XTR cassette, Sram chain

 Wheels: Shimano XT 32h 737 hubs, Bontrager Mustang rims, Wheelsmith
 14g db spokes, handbuilt Mark Garcia, Ritchey Tom Slick 1.4 folding
 Kevlar bead tire, I can include some extra NOS Michelin Hi-Lite Comp
 1.75 folding tires with light tread (similar to a CdV)

 Bike is in great shape and shows virtually no wear. There are a few
 paint chips (not many the paint is very good) that have been touched
 up with matching paint.

 I got this bike off the list about 5 years ago and haven't really used
 it much. Most of what I have done is upgrade the parts, switching out
 the Moustache bars for Noodles and a longer stem and putting on the
 XTR M900 crankset among other things.

 Photos:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/11446...@n07/sets/72157624770263720/

 Asking $2500 (a new Riv custom frame and fork only starts at $3000USD, $3300
 next year).

 I'm in Vancouver, Canada but if shipped to the US I will ship from WA state.

 --
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 Vancouver, BC

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[RBW] Re: I finished an Yves Gomez for my wife

2010-08-21 Thread William
Thanks for the kind words.  My two kids (9 and 7 years old) have
gotten really enthusiastic about cycling, which has motivated my wife
to be into it as well.

Humorous aside about my daughter.  She learned to ride without
training wheels just this summer.  We did an intensive session on our
vacation

Quote from Day 2 of Vacation:  Daddy, I want to keep my training
wheels until I'm 20
Quote from Day 4 of Vacation: Daddy!  I can't believe I'm riding my
bike without training wheels!  I never want to stop riding my bike!

My son asks about once a week for me to check if his legs are long
enough to be my stoker on the tandem.

The only hiccup with the build has been the front derailleur.  I've
done three Riv builds this year, and the front derailleur has been an
adventure with all three.  On this Yves I used a Suntour X-1, which
fit nicely and the curvature is good for the rings, but the return
spring is too strong for the Cheapie Thumb Shifters.  No matter how
tight you crank the tension screw on the shifter, it wanders out.  I
have a SRAM that I'll try next.

On Aug 20, 2:19 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote:
 That's awesome.   I love it.  I actually have a Yves Gomez on order
 from Riv and hope to see it on my doorstep within the month.  So this
 was kind of like a sneak peek of what is to come.   Glad to know I
 will not be the only female riding the 'international mans mixte'

 Keely

 On Aug 20, 12:31 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  I've finished setting up my wife's mixte.  It's turned out quite
  nicely.  52cm Yves Gomez.  She's adjusting to the Albatross bars, but
  so far so good.  She wanted a black and tan looking bike and has no
  qualms about having her decals say International Mens Mixte.  The
  rack that we use with the Burley Piccolo is also powder coated black
  so it looks right at home.  In fact, I've been thinking of setting up
  a 58cm mixte for myself and I prefer the baby blue.

  Anyway, shots in my flickr:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4910562571/

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[RBW] F/S 60cm Sam Hillborne Green Canti

2010-08-21 Thread jason
Unfortunately tough times have made me thin down the herd.  I am
selling my Green Sam Hillborne Canti-equipped Albatross Bar commuter.
I am the original owner and I have the receipt from Riv.

Green Sam Hillborne 60
Sugino XD2
56 Nitto Albatross
9 spd Dura Ace Bar End Shifters
IRD Canti Brakes
MKS Sneaker Pedals
Cork Grips
SORA Triple Derailleur
(All of the above parts bought from Rivendell)

(Bought these parts elsewhere or I had them lying around.)
SRAM 11-34 Cassette
XT Wheels with A119 Rims
Panaracer Pasela Tires
SKS Rear fenders
Tektro Silver Mountain Bike Levers
Nitto Technomic (10?) Stem
Nitto Crystal Fellows Seatpost
Silver Matte Planet Bike Water Bottle Cages.

The saddle I'm including an old black brooks that is on there
essentially as a placeholder. It could use a lot of work and unless
you want to fix the serious seat sag, I wouldn't recommend using it.
(Note, the Honey Saddle and the Keven's bag in the photo are NOT
included.)

Photos are available at: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kibbey/sets/72157624773701936/

I have the original receipt for this bike and the Rivendell parts.
There is currently a bike built with very similar components (drop
bars however) up on the Rivendell site for sale for over $2300 without
tax or shipping.  The cost of this build and the frame would be a very
similar amount if not higher.

This bike has scratches and a few paint chips on the frame and is
still in good condition, but I have been riding it around town and
locking it to parking meters.  Think more beausage than polishing with
a baby diaper but there is no damage to the frame.  No significant
exposed metal, and no dents in the frame.  It hasn't ever been crashed
and has probably been used less than 1000 miles.

I offer it to the list at $1500 if the pickup is local.  If you're
dying for the bike and you're out of town I'll do some research on
what an LBS whould charge to pack it up.   I'm in the Bay Area in
Berkeley and am around this weekend.

Please let me know if there are any questions!

Thanks, Jason

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[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread msrw
For everyone who uses traditional frames and subscribes to the fist
of seatpost extension aesthetic, Peter White sells 210 mm Nitto
Jaguar seatposts for around US$ 90.  Almost everyone else sells the
250 mm version at close to double Peter's price.

I agree with Jim that the Jaguar is arguably the best seatpost ever
made.

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[RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread Esteban
Welcome.

Yea - we may even get out own SoCal Google group... and a Roadeo
review from one of our members.  I'm watching the clock.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Aug 21, 7:50 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Daniel, heads up that there are some SoCal rides rumored to be coming up
 in the 
 future:http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
 Hope you can make it to some of them!





 On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
  Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
  to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
  the FAQ section and realized a couple things

  1) I should introduce myself to ya
  2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
  pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

  I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
  steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
  getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
  luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

  All the best,

  Daniel

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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread Noel
Where did your Pro 5 Vis break? Do you know of any quality
differences
between the newer production and the older ones?

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who has a collection of the older ones

The left crank broke at top of the flute while accelerating out of the
saddle from a stop sign. It showed the usual signs of fatigue
cracking, originating at an irregularity left over by the machining
process. I'd looked at those marks when the cranks were new, then
dismissed it as paranoia. Oops. (And if I'd been checking them
regularly like I should have, I'd have noticed the crack and avoided
some excitement.)

Those cranks compared favorably with the older ones I have, at least
in appearance. I notice the same sort of machining marks on the old
ones, though less pronounced. I'm trying to remain confident in the
old ones, but to be honest, they are sitting in a box right now...

The folks at VO told me that they have heard of breakage with the
older ones, but that mine was the first new one they'd heard of
failing. C'est la vie, I guess.

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[RBW] Re: I finished an Yves Gomez for my wife

2010-08-21 Thread Calm54
Wow, the Yves is a beautiful bike.  I hope Riv is still making mixtes
when I am ready for one.

Your stories about teaching your children how to ride a bike brings
back memories for me.  You are obviously are enjoying the experience,
the memories will bring smiles to your eyes forever.  Thank you for
sharing them.

On Aug 21, 9:29 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the kind words.  My two kids (9 and 7 years old) have
 gotten really enthusiastic about cycling, which has motivated my wife
 to be into it as well.

 Humorous aside about my daughter.  She learned to ride without
 training wheels just this summer.  We did an intensive session on our
 vacation

 Quote from Day 2 of Vacation:  Daddy, I want to keep my training
 wheels until I'm 20
 Quote from Day 4 of Vacation: Daddy!  I can't believe I'm riding my
 bike without training wheels!  I never want to stop riding my bike!

 My son asks about once a week for me to check if his legs are long
 enough to be my stoker on the tandem.

 The only hiccup with the build has been the front derailleur.  I've
 done three Riv builds this year, and the front derailleur has been an
 adventure with all three.  On this Yves I used a Suntour X-1, which
 fit nicely and the curvature is good for the rings, but the return
 spring is too strong for the Cheapie Thumb Shifters.  No matter how
 tight you crank the tension screw on the shifter, it wanders out.  I
 have a SRAM that I'll try next.

 On Aug 20, 2:19 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote:



  That's awesome.   I love it.  I actually have a Yves Gomez on order
  from Riv and hope to see it on my doorstep within the month.  So this
  was kind of like a sneak peek of what is to come.   Glad to know I
  will not be the only female riding the 'international mans mixte'

  Keely

  On Aug 20, 12:31 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

   I've finished setting up my wife's mixte.  It's turned out quite
   nicely.  52cm Yves Gomez.  She's adjusting to the Albatross bars, but
   so far so good.  She wanted a black and tan looking bike and has no
   qualms about having her decals say International Mens Mixte.  The
   rack that we use with the Burley Piccolo is also powder coated black
   so it looks right at home.  In fact, I've been thinking of setting up
   a 58cm mixte for myself and I prefer the baby blue.

   Anyway, shots in my flickr:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4910562571/

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Re: [RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread cyclotourist
Vicious unfounded rumors.

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Welcome.

 Yea - we may even get out own SoCal Google group... and a Roadeo
 review from one of our members.  I'm watching the clock.

 Esteban
 San Diego, Calif.

 On Aug 21, 7:50 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Daniel, heads up that there are some SoCal rides rumored to be coming
 up
  in the future:
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
  Hope you can make it to some of them!
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
   Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I
 tried
   to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then
 read
   the FAQ section and realized a couple things
 
   1) I should introduce myself to ya
   2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
   pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)
 
   I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
   steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm
 working on
   getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with
 some
   luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.
 
   All the best,
 
   Daniel
 
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[RBW] Taking my Atlantis on Tour

2010-08-21 Thread Robert Kirkpatrick
Well once again I'm setting off on tour, this time to the Great White  
North.  For those interested you can follow along on my blog:


http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/

and I'll be uploading photos when I can into my Tour2010 set on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104...@n01/sets/72157624650490173/

cheers,
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[RBW] Re: Taking my Atlantis on Tour

2010-08-21 Thread Mike
Awesome! Have a great time. The pictures from your tour down the west
coast last year were great. I'll be looking forward to your Flickr
updates.

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[RBW] Re: Renovelo Frames

2010-08-21 Thread William
and the listing for THE ONE is now gone.  Best of luck to the
lucky individual that bought it.


On Aug 20, 9:02 pm, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Had I known they'd be selling the Renovelos at such give-away prices I
 might have held off buying my Sam.  Now the only alternative is to try
 and snatch one up anyway.  These things aren't going to gather any
 dust in the RivShop.  Kinda like unsold inventory of Acorn bags.  It's
 probably not GP's style, but I think they'd haul in alot more cash if
 they'd put them up on eBay in ten-day auctions.

 On Aug 19, 6:01 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

  First of'em posted on riv.com.

  Cant wait to see them.

  Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Renovelo Frames

2010-08-21 Thread cyclotourist
Hopefully they know the history behind it.  Pretty cool ride!

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 and the listing for THE ONE is now gone.  Best of luck to the
 lucky individual that bought it.


 On Aug 20, 9:02 pm, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Had I known they'd be selling the Renovelos at such give-away prices I
  might have held off buying my Sam.  Now the only alternative is to try
  and snatch one up anyway.  These things aren't going to gather any
  dust in the RivShop.  Kinda like unsold inventory of Acorn bags.  It's
  probably not GP's style, but I think they'd haul in alot more cash if
  they'd put them up on eBay in ten-day auctions.
 
  On Aug 19, 6:01 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
   First of'em posted on riv.com.
 
   Cant wait to see them.
 
   Cheers!
   cm

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[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread Peter Andrews
@ Peter White, the  Nitto Crystal Fellow (single-bolt) is $95, and the
Nitto Jaguar NJ SP72 (2-bolt) is $130 for the 210mm, and $140 for the
250mm, just to clarify.

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 For everyone who uses traditional frames and subscribes to the fist
 of seatpost extension aesthetic, Peter White sells 210 mm Nitto
 Jaguar seatposts for around US$ 90.  Almost everyone else sells the
 250 mm version at close to double Peter's price.

 I agree with Jim that the Jaguar is arguably the best seatpost ever
 made.

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[RBW] Saddle experiment

2010-08-21 Thread Bruce
Since I first bought a Selle Anatomica from RBW, it's been my seat of choice. I 
have them on 3 of the 4 bikes that call our garage home. One of the saddles 
came used from another cyclist, and was already fully stretched out. My past 
experience with Selles is that once they get to that point, they stay there. GP 
said the same thing in the advertising blurb back when Riv was selling them. I 
was surprised then on today's ride (to Fat Girl's BBQ Cafe, no less) when the 
seat stretcher bolt fell OUT and onto teh ground as I was riding. The saddle 
was 
soaked with sweat and hammocked so that it was laying on top of the seatpost. 
No, there was no pain, just consternation. The leather LOOKS okay, and instead 
of sending $75 to re skin the frame back at the factory, I decided to go to 
Home 
Depot instead. I came back with a 3 1/2 bolt to replace the 2 long fallen out 
one. The Selle bolt has a custom head which gets a narrow hex socket inside a 
hole in the steel saddle nose piece. I knew I wouldn't find that, but came back 
with a carriage bolt instead. I turned it up snug against the rounded inside 
portion of the nose piece and we'll see how it rides. If it's a bust, I'm out a 
whopping $0.33 (inc tax)

None of my other Selles have done this, btw.



  

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[RBW] Re: Taking my Atlantis on Tour

2010-08-21 Thread doug peterson
Robert:

Thanks for the post; I'll be following.  Reminds me I should be on my
own tour  not poking around here

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread Bob Cooper
I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around
to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro.

As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact
that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed.

Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour
Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think
I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three.

None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A
masterpiece of design and execution.

Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread doug peterson
Daniel:

As David mentioned, the SoCal group (what are we calling ourselves
this month?) has semi-organized rides (sometimes we make it up as we
go along) on a schedule similar to the RR.  All that's required is an
appreciation of Rivendells and a tolerance for their owners.  Bonus
points if you like wool and canvas.  If you found this group, you're
on the right track.

dougP

On Aug 20, 1:39 pm, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
 to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
 the FAQ section and realized a couple things

 1) I should introduce myself to ya
 2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
 pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

 I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
 steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
 getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
 luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

 All the best,

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All-Rounder 59cm

2010-08-21 Thread doug peterson
Chris:

Someone is going to be extremely fortunate to get that bike from you.
People wait a year or more for something like that.  And on the
Renovelo thread someone was musing on why are all the good deals on
extra large or extra small bikes.  Here's a wonderful opportunity on
an in-demand size.  Now, can I convince my wife that an All Rounder is
complimentary to my Atlantis?

dougP

On Aug 20, 6:26 pm, Chris Cullum cullum.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, this one hurts but I really don't use it enough to warrant holding
 on to it...

 Rivendell All-Rounder, Joe Starck built, Joe Bell paint burnt orange
 with cream headtube

 59cm C-T, 57cm top tube, 44.5cm to centre of horizontal dropout
 chainstays, 2 deg upslope to top tube, IIRC 72 deg parallel seat and
 head tube angles, standover mid top tube is just under 33 or 83.5cm,
 3 water bottle braze-ons, huge tire clearance (26 559 wheels size)

 Nitto Frog seatpost, Brooks honey B17 saddle, Nitto Tech Deluxe 110mm
 stem, Nitto Noodle 46cm bars with shellacked blue cateye cloth tape,
 Tektro levers and mid-profile Shimano XT cantis with KoolStop salmon
 pads

 Shimano Ultegra 8 speed barcons, XT front and rear derailleurs, XTR
 M900 cranks (the ultimate) with 46/36/26t rings, UN7x 107mm BB, 12-28
 XTR cassette, Sram chain

 Wheels: Shimano XT 32h 737 hubs, Bontrager Mustang rims, Wheelsmith
 14g db spokes, handbuilt Mark Garcia, Ritchey Tom Slick 1.4 folding
 Kevlar bead tire, I can include some extra NOS Michelin Hi-Lite Comp
 1.75 folding tires with light tread (similar to a CdV)

 Bike is in great shape and shows virtually no wear. There are a few
 paint chips (not many the paint is very good) that have been touched
 up with matching paint.

 I got this bike off the list about 5 years ago and haven't really used
 it much. Most of what I have done is upgrade the parts, switching out
 the Moustache bars for Noodles and a longer stem and putting on the
 XTR M900 crankset among other things.

 Photos:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/11446...@n07/sets/72157624770263720/

 Asking $2500 (a new Riv custom frame and fork only starts at $3000USD, $3300
 next year).

 I'm in Vancouver, Canada but if shipped to the US I will ship from WA state.

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[RBW] Bullmoose at last!!

2010-08-21 Thread Johnny Alien
Rivendell finally got some dull-brite 150mm Bullmoose bars in stock
and I got myself a set.  Came yesterday and on the bike today.  I
absolutely love them.  The sweepback is perfect and counters the long
tt that Bridgestone bikes had.

On a side note I used some of the new Newbaum's cloth tape and while
the description says easy to wrap I found it to be not as easy as
other cloth tape. It is extra sticky and tends to want to wrap around
itself and stick to itself.  It took me a long time and I still am not
happy with the wrap I got. I am a bit OCD and usually do a pretty good
job with my tape wrapping.  As you can see from the photos this wrap
is far from perfect.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1993%20Bridgestone%20MB-2/0821001553.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/1993%20Bridgestone%20MB-2/0821001553a.jpg

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All-Rounder 59cm

2010-08-21 Thread Frankwurst
I tried to convince myself. Never mind my wife. But after a
woodsy,dirt road cruise on my Atlantis I decide this would be kind of
redundant. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to own this bike but the
Atlantis will do anything and go anywhere I have the skills to take it
and I'm not about to replace it or think I can find something I'd like
any better. This one is indeed a beautiful bike and whoever snaps it
up will have a gem.

On Aug 21, 6:05 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Chris:

 Someone is going to be extremely fortunate to get that bike from you.
 People wait a year or more for something like that.  And on the
 Renovelo thread someone was musing on why are all the good deals on
 extra large or extra small bikes.  Here's a wonderful opportunity on
 an in-demand size.  Now, can I convince my wife that an All Rounder is
 complimentary to my Atlantis?

 dougP

 On Aug 20, 6:26 pm, Chris Cullum cullum.ch...@gmail.com wrote:



  OK, this one hurts but I really don't use it enough to warrant holding
  on to it...

  Rivendell All-Rounder, Joe Starck built, Joe Bell paint burnt orange
  with cream headtube

  59cm C-T, 57cm top tube, 44.5cm to centre of horizontal dropout
  chainstays, 2 deg upslope to top tube, IIRC 72 deg parallel seat and
  head tube angles, standover mid top tube is just under 33 or 83.5cm,
  3 water bottle braze-ons, huge tire clearance (26 559 wheels size)

  Nitto Frog seatpost, Brooks honey B17 saddle, Nitto Tech Deluxe 110mm
  stem, Nitto Noodle 46cm bars with shellacked blue cateye cloth tape,
  Tektro levers and mid-profile Shimano XT cantis with KoolStop salmon
  pads

  Shimano Ultegra 8 speed barcons, XT front and rear derailleurs, XTR
  M900 cranks (the ultimate) with 46/36/26t rings, UN7x 107mm BB, 12-28
  XTR cassette, Sram chain

  Wheels: Shimano XT 32h 737 hubs, Bontrager Mustang rims, Wheelsmith
  14g db spokes, handbuilt Mark Garcia, Ritchey Tom Slick 1.4 folding
  Kevlar bead tire, I can include some extra NOS Michelin Hi-Lite Comp
  1.75 folding tires with light tread (similar to a CdV)

  Bike is in great shape and shows virtually no wear. There are a few
  paint chips (not many the paint is very good) that have been touched
  up with matching paint.

  I got this bike off the list about 5 years ago and haven't really used
  it much. Most of what I have done is upgrade the parts, switching out
  the Moustache bars for Noodles and a longer stem and putting on the
  XTR M900 crankset among other things.

  Photos:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/11446...@n07/sets/72157624770263720/

  Asking $2500 (a new Riv custom frame and fork only starts at $3000USD, $3300
  next year).

  I'm in Vancouver, Canada but if shipped to the US I will ship from WA state.

  --
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All-Rounder 59cm

2010-08-21 Thread AJ

Sorry that you have to let it go Chris,  I have the exact same frame,
except its a 61cm with 700cc wheels.  I believe Stark built while he
was at Match.  I'm sure it will find a good home.

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread EricP
Well, I'm 6' nuthin' and my bikes have 170, 175 and 180 cranks.
Didn't realize the last one until looking at my Fargo one day and
realizing it had these really long crank arms.  Never even noticed the
difference.  Funny enough, my one century is on the bike with too
longa cranks.

Probably means that my riding style is sufficiently poor that things
like that go unnoticed, but it sure makes buying replacement cranks
easy.  What length do you want?  Whaver you have that's cheapest.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 21, 8:17 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks for posting that. As a tall rider I've never tried long cranks.
 As it happens, I take delivery of a custom bike next week with 185mm
 TA cranks. I'm almost hoping that they're not all that. My other three
 bikes with 175's are going to be quite costly to convert if they are.

 On Aug 21, 7:13 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:



   In regards to longer cranks, there's a lot of unfounded fear and mis-
  information that gets spread .  Longer cranks don't hurt your knees,
  or slow your cadence, or ruin your pedal motion. Resistance domes from
  fear of change fear of the unknown. We all experience it.

  There's 3 groups about longer cranks. Those that have tried them and
  found them invaluable. Those that try them and didn't like them. Those
  that talk about them but never tried them.

  I refer to this http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crwives.html- Hide quoted 
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[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread EricP
Totally agree with you, Bob.  Before seeing the S-83, the old Suntoure
XC pro was my favorite.  Even more so when I was riding mountain
bikes.

Just purchased the VO post for my LHT.  Not as nicely finished, but a
bit more setback, which I seem to prefer on this bike.  Also was
easier to install than the S-83, which for all it's fine points, takes
a bit of finesse to fit onto leather saddles.  Especially with a Nitto
saddlebag grip.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 21, 5:41 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around
 to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro.

 As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact
 that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed.

 Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour
 Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think
 I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three.

 None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A
 masterpiece of design and execution.

 Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread EricP
Gee, with that schedule, by the time I head back out there (wishfully
late next year) it will be time for another ride and another Reader
(grin).

Welcome to the group.  There are a lot of nice Rivendell/steel bikes
in SoCal.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN (a long, long way from SoCal)

On Aug 21, 5:51 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Daniel:

 As David mentioned, the SoCal group (what are we calling ourselves
 this month?) has semi-organized rides (sometimes we make it up as we
 go along) on a schedule similar to the RR.  All that's required is an
 appreciation of Rivendells and a tolerance for their owners.  Bonus
 points if you like wool and canvas.  If you found this group, you're
 on the right track.

 dougP

 On Aug 20, 1:39 pm, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:



  Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I tried
  to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then read
  the FAQ section and realized a couple things

  1) I should introduce myself to ya
  2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
  pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)

  I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
  steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm working on
  getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with some
  luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.

  All the best,

  Daniel- Hide quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: New to the RBW Group

2010-08-21 Thread cyclotourist
I think the ride will come long before the Reader...

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:24 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

 Gee, with that schedule, by the time I head back out there (wishfully
 late next year) it will be time for another ride and another Reader
 (grin).

 Welcome to the group.  There are a lot of nice Rivendell/steel bikes
 in SoCal.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN (a long, long way from SoCal)

 On Aug 21, 5:51 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Daniel:
 
  As David mentioned, the SoCal group (what are we calling ourselves
  this month?) has semi-organized rides (sometimes we make it up as we
  go along) on a schedule similar to the RR.  All that's required is an
  appreciation of Rivendells and a tolerance for their owners.  Bonus
  points if you like wool and canvas.  If you found this group, you're
  on the right track.
 
  dougP
 
  On Aug 20, 1:39 pm, Daniel aframaf...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   Greeting - I just joined the group and have been reading threads.  I
 tried
   to post, but that didn't go through, so I tried one more time and then
 read
   the FAQ section and realized a couple things
 
   1) I should introduce myself to ya
   2) I may have in advertantly double posted (although the messages are
   pending approval - I think - I can't see where I can edit/delete them)
 
   I'm a bike commuter in Southern California with an affinity for lugged
   steel.  My current project is a tan Nishiki International and I'm
 working on
   getting my wife in riding.  She has a modern Al/Carbon Jamis, but with
 some
   luck, we may yet get her on a steel frame.
 
   All the best,
 
   Daniel- Hide quoted text -
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with
their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far
back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he
counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front
part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many
years, but ...).

Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs?

Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad
old design resurrected in better quality.

Thanks.

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper
robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around
 to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro.

 As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact
 that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed.

 Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour
 Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think
 I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three.

 None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A
 masterpiece of design and execution.

 Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post

2010-08-21 Thread JoelMatthews
 Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad
 old design resurrected in better quality.

Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century.  For
those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60.  Which is, by the
way, the topic of this thread.

On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with
 their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far
 back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he
 counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front
 part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many
 years, but ...).

 Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs?

 Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad
 old design resurrected in better quality.

 Thanks.

 On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper





 robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
  I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around
  to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro.

  As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact
  that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed.

  Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour
  Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think
  I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three.

  None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A
  masterpiece of design and execution.

  Bob Cooper

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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread doug peterson
I'm going with Eric on this one.  I have bikes with both 170 and 175
and can't tell any difference at all.  Maybe we share a similar riding
style.  There are areas where a lack of sensitivity simplifies life.

dougP

On Aug 21, 6:07 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Well, I'm 6' nuthin' and my bikes have 170, 175 and 180 cranks.
 Didn't realize the last one until looking at my Fargo one day and
 realizing it had these really long crank arms.  Never even noticed the
 difference.  Funny enough, my one century is on the bike with too
 longa cranks.

 Probably means that my riding style is sufficiently poor that things
 like that go unnoticed, but it sure makes buying replacement cranks
 easy.  What length do you want?  Whaver you have that's cheapest.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Aug 21, 8:17 am, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Thanks for posting that. As a tall rider I've never tried long cranks.
  As it happens, I take delivery of a custom bike next week with 185mm
  TA cranks. I'm almost hoping that they're not all that. My other three
  bikes with 175's are going to be quite costly to convert if they are.

  On Aug 21, 7:13 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:

    In regards to longer cranks, there's a lot of unfounded fear and mis-
   information that gets spread .  Longer cranks don't hurt your knees,
   or slow your cadence, or ruin your pedal motion. Resistance domes from
   fear of change fear of the unknown. We all experience it.

   There's 3 groups about longer cranks. Those that have tried them and
   found them invaluable. Those that try them and didn't like them. Those
   that talk about them but never tried them.

   I refer to this http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crwives.html-Hide 
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[RBW] Re: Renovelo Frames

2010-08-21 Thread Philip Williamson
Y'know... I can see Rivendell not getting into that with someone who
didn't know. :^)

I thought about that bike for a minute on todays ride up the logging
roads. The Bontrager was in fine form, though, and all the internet
covetousness went out the window. Nothing like a dog and a bike and an
afternoon to remind you that you actually have it pretty good.

 Philip
www.biketinker.com

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 Hopefully they know the history behind it.  Pretty cool ride!





 On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:01 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  and the listing for THE ONE is now gone.  Best of luck to the
  lucky individual that bought it.

  On Aug 20, 9:02 pm, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote:
   Had I known they'd be selling the Renovelos at such give-away prices I
   might have held off buying my Sam.  Now the only alternative is to try
   and snatch one up anyway.  These things aren't going to gather any
   dust in the RivShop.  Kinda like unsold inventory of Acorn bags.  It's
   probably not GP's style, but I think they'd haul in alot more cash if
   they'd put them up on eBay in ten-day auctions.

   On Aug 19, 6:01 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

First of'em posted on riv.com.

Cant wait to see them.

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Renovelo Frames

2010-08-21 Thread cyclotourist
Didn't know what?

:-)

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Philip Williamson 
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 Y'know... I can see Rivendell not getting into that with someone who
 didn't know. :^)

 I thought about that bike for a minute on todays ride up the logging
 roads. The Bontrager was in fine form, though, and all the internet
 covetousness went out the window. Nothing like a dog and a bike and an
 afternoon to remind you that you actually have it pretty good.

  Philip
 www.biketinker.com

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  Hopefully they know the history behind it.  Pretty cool ride!
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:01 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
   and the listing for THE ONE is now gone.  Best of luck to the
   lucky individual that bought it.
 
   On Aug 20, 9:02 pm, Bill webe...@gmail.com wrote:
Had I known they'd be selling the Renovelos at such give-away prices
 I
might have held off buying my Sam.  Now the only alternative is to
 try
and snatch one up anyway.  These things aren't going to gather any
dust in the RivShop.  Kinda like unsold inventory of Acorn bags.
  It's
probably not GP's style, but I think they'd haul in alot more cash if
they'd put them up on eBay in ten-day auctions.
 
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 First of'em posted on riv.com.
 
 Cant wait to see them.
 
 Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: VO 50.4 BCD Crankset is here

2010-08-21 Thread charlie
Just wear some 2.5 mm thicker shoes !

On Aug 19, 8:00 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, but it's too bad that Chris has decided that nobody needs to ride
 172.5mm cranks.  He's a fool for making that kind of decision, and has
 certainly lost a good amount of business because of it...including my
 own.  This would be the perfect crank for my needs, if only it were
 available as a 172.5.

 Pete

 On Aug 9, 11:04 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

  The new 50.4 bcd TA Cyclotourist copy crankset is now in stock at VO.
  Looks very nice and shiny! The stock 46-30 combo seems like it would
  work well most flatter places. Though it seems like 46t ring would get
  a lot use to me since the 30 would only be needed climbing?  What
  freewheel/cassette do most people run in hilly areas with this set?

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