[RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
+1 on saddle position's priority I've been aware of this for some time. But much after I knew it, I came to understand it better. I used to think of it as an important notion regarding how to efficiently ride and effectively handle a bike. Now I also understand it is also the key to comfort. Once you get your butt in the right place (up-down, front-back, angle), handlebar height and width and even the size of and orientation of and material in your grip area really fade in significance. They still matter, of course. I prefer my bars high and wide and my grips parallel-ish to the direction of travel. Most of the time. But when I ride with my bars lower or narrower or my grips nearly perpendicular to travel, I still get off the bike after 50 miles with no strain or stiffness or numbness or tingling. I'm just tired or not, depending on the intensity of the ride. And, of course, in a ride- induced euphoric daze. Your trunk is very adaptable when properly supported. I suspect having a saddle that adapts to my chosen position (and guides me into it a little) helps too. I have a B17. My bars are all probably viewed as high and wide, bit they do range from about 1cm above to 10cm above and from 48cm to 66cm. (Being 6' 245# has a lot to do with those numbers.) Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On May 15, 8:36 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Seehttp://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htmon fitting: long and rambling but worth reading, especially about saddle position which, I keep saying, is a principal key for bar comfort, no matter what kind of bar or where it is placed. Saddle position gets your torso comfortable so that your arms don't have to hold it up. My bars range from 5 cm below to 8 cm above but all refer to the same saddle height and setback. FWIW, long torso, short limbs, 5'10. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and everything would click into place. Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me. I'm learning, but it's slow going. So with that in mind... I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem. It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me that I would not find anything like this in the retro style. I suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find anything with a medium to shallow drop. At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw, for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120 mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105 mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a similar construction and finish to model 115 (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this similar construction means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the website does not specify. So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options for hand positions. The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas. Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the same. The Nitto 135 Randonneur only comes in 2 sizes on the Harris Cyclery website (42 and 45 cm), so that helps a little. So maybe I'll just throw all my chips in and get the 45 cm... ? Well. I'm not
[RBW] Re: chiming in:
Nice to hear, John. Just like this forum, it sounds like the folks at the Country Bike Shop provided a positive experience. It is a joy to interact with folks that genuinely want you to have the same pleasure on the bicycle that they themselves enjoy. Enjoy the Sam H.! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any conclusions about durability in that environment. Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires do) shriek Gravel, for the love of God!!! come to a sudden halt, stop and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hello folks
Scotty, when you get Homer dialed-in, you'll be finding all sorts of clever ways to replace your cars whenever possible. Be sure to send photos after the happy arrival. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hello folks
Congrats on the purchase of the Hilsen. I doubt you'll be disappointed. Between the LHT and Hilsen you'll be covered for all your country bike needs, loaded and unloaded. Definitely post pictures when you get the bike. --mike On May 15, 4:10 pm, Scotty bongos...@verizon.net wrote: I just thought I would introduce myself. Im Scot and I live in Holiday Florida. 3 weeks ago I ordered a new A Homer Hilsen complete bike from Rivendell. They told me it would take 8 weeks for them to get the frame and another 2 weeks for them to build it up. I am very excited to get and ride my bike. I have been drooling over the Rivbike website for a few years now and I came into the opportunity to get one and took it. It was a little bit of a gamble as I have not actually seen one in person. I am going solely on research and reputation. I have seen and ridden a Grant designed Bridgestone and I am fully confident in his work and Keven was very helpfull in my parts selection and sizing. I am also a member of the Surly Owners Group and i own and ride a Surly Long Haul Trucker. I have put allot of miles on my Surly and have also lost over 70 pounds riding it so My Riv is a bit of a reward for reaching a short term fitness goal and will hopefully keep me motivated to reach my long term goals of further weight loss and fitness as well as replacing my cars whenever possible. I have already gotten some good info from your group here and have some more reading to do. If there are any other Tampa Bay area Rivendell owners on here please say hi. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any conclusions about durability in that environment. Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires do) shriek Gravel, for the love of God!!! come to a sudden halt, stop and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on the weekends. I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4 or smaller) and locked down pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems to be 1/2 to 1 as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the higher quality easily accessible resources. IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and bogging down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I made the exact switch you are describing. My Seven Rando bike had Ruffy Tuffys which I loved. Great ride, no flats luckily after nearly 500 miles but they are so light and thin that I felt a flat was inevitable. My riding has changed recently with me riding through Boston at night and I didn't want to deal with changing a flat in Roxbury at 11 PM, yikes. Plus, the Marathons have reflective sidewalls. The Marathons are nice and are hear to stay. My only gripes: They claim to be 700 x 30 but actually measure just shy of 28 so they actually have less volume than the Ruffy Tuffys. They fit more loosely to the rim which always freaks me out but no issues. They tend to need more pressure than the Ruffy Tuffys or they feel a little unresponsive, probably because of the heavier casing. Plus, they don't look as nice :) On May 15, 8:23 am, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Any experiences and/or preferences on the Ruffy Tuffy versus Marathon Racer 700x30c? I am thinking of going with one or the other on my Riv LongLow (geometry and clearances similar to Rambouillet). Thanks. -- Forrest -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: [snip] Once you get your butt in the right place (up-down, front-back, angle), handlebar height and width and even the size of and orientation of and material in your grip area really fade in significance. One more chime here: I gave up gloves years ago and find even unpadded bars with cloth tape comfortable, at least for = 30 mile rides. And my bars range from 38-39 cm Belleris to 46 cm Noodles and, as I said, from 5 cm below to 8 cm above saddle. Good points, Thomas. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
If you want wide, the Rando bars won't do it. The 45's are only about 38 cm across at the hoods. I use mine set high, and use the drops when out of the saddle. I really like the 'compact' shape of some modern bars, like this one (the only one I know of that comes in silver): http://www.ritcheylogic.com/dyn_prodfamily.php?k=394053 They are particularly well suited to brifters, which allow hand position that's further forward than the brake levers that were in use when bars like the Nitto were designed. Problem is they only come in 31.8 mm clamp diameter. That means using a threadless stem and a quill adapter. That's not tragic, I actually think it works well and makes adjustments and stem swaps very easy. I have a VO stem and a Zoom quill adapter on my Riv and the combination is lighter than the Technomic Deluxe that preceded them. IMO, Albatross bars are fine and have their place, but they aren't really a substitute for a drop bar. Bill On May 15, 4:36 pm, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and everything would click into place. Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me. I'm learning, but it's slow going. So with that in mind... I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem. It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me that I would not find anything like this in the retro style. I suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find anything with a medium to shallow drop. At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw, for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120 mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105 mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a similar construction and finish to model 115 (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this similar construction means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the website does not specify. So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options for hand positions. The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas. Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the same. The Nitto 135 Randonneur only comes in 2 sizes on the Harris Cyclery website (42 and 45 cm), so that helps a little. So maybe I'll just throw all my chips in and get the 45 cm... ? Well. I'm not sure why I wrote all this. I guess I'm hoping someone will read it and offer their thoughts and/or experiences. I'd be interested to read what others have to say. Thanks, Zaelia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Marathon Supreme Input please
Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Marathon Supreme Input please
I have the 35 Supremes on my Homer and like them very much. No flats and no issues. I have the 50 Supremes on my Atlantis and am also very pleased with them. Haven't used the 40 but would assume they'd be as wonderful. I have the 40 Extremes and love them. I'm sure you'll love both so choose the one you fancy best and fits. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 16, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] guu watanabe bag videos
I've been following this photo stream on flickr for a long time. Guu Watanabe is a maker of custom bags using leather and canvas. He makes a lot of cycling bags as well as any other kind of bag. Recently they put up a few videos of the process of making a bag. http://www.flickr.com/photos/guuwatanabe/sets/72157626734300676/with/5726237437/ I'm not sure what he's saying in the video since I don't speak/read/understand japanese but I enjoyed watching the snippets and browsing through the bags he has on: http://www.guu-watanabe.com/english.htm They appear to be fantastic products but I've never seen one in person. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] guu watanabe bag videos
I have a small burgundy saddlebag from them (bought from Bill at Wallingford Bikes), and it really is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. Easily the equal of Berthoud, maybe better. But with Wallingford out of the line, I don't know of anyone in the US carrying it. Their website (there used to be a link on wallbike.com, don't know if it's still there) has a provision for ordering directly from Japan, but I haven't done it. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:44 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] guu watanabe bag videos I've been following this photo stream on flickr for a long time. Guu Watanabe is a maker of custom bags using leather and canvas. He makes a lot of cycling bags as well as any other kind of bag. Recently they put up a few videos of the process of making a bag. http://www.flickr.com/photos/guuwatanabe/sets/72157626734300676/with/5726237437/ I'm not sure what he's saying in the video since I don't speak/read/understand japanese but I enjoyed watching the snippets and browsing through the bags he has on: http://www.guu-watanabe.com/english.htm They appear to be fantastic products but I've never seen one in person. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] guu watanabe bag videos
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I have a small burgundy saddlebag from them (bought from Bill at Wallingford Bikes), and it really is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. Easily the equal of Berthoud, maybe better. But with Wallingford out of the line, I don't know of anyone in the US carrying it. Their website (there used to be a link on wallbike.com, don't know if it's still there) has a provision for ordering directly from Japan, but I haven't done it. I thought that Jitensha could get them, too. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Marathon Supreme Input please
I have the 40 Mara Supremes on my Hillborne, and they are bulletproof, but heavy, and always feel like they are working against me accelerating, etc. Best, Andrew On May 16, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Rene Sterental wrote: I have the 35 Supremes on my Homer and like them very much. No flats and no issues. I have the 50 Supremes on my Atlantis and am also very pleased with them. Haven't used the 40 but would assume they'd be as wonderful. I have the 40 Extremes and love them. I'm sure you'll love both so choose the one you fancy best and fits. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On May 16, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 64cm Atlantis for sale
64 cm Rivendell Atlantis for sale General - I bought this frame new in the early 1990’s and it has served me well as you might expect. It’s overall condition is excellent with a typical array of scratches and knicks and no dents. The drive train is sevicable, but much of it is well used. Asking $1075.00 in Atlanta. I can send pictures. artmoli...@yahoo.com Wheels - Mavic MA 2 rims, Shimano LX hubs. Tires - new Panaracer Pasela Tour Guard Kevlar 700x32. Crank - Sugino XD triple, 48-36-24.. Cassette - 11-32, 8 speed. Deraillers - Shimano XT front and rear. Shifters _ Shimano bar cons, friction only as index feature is inoperable. Chain - new SRAM PC 69 8 speed. Brakes - Shimano cantilevers with aero levers. Fork - Rivendell steel, threaded, Tange headset. Handlebars - Nitto Randonneur. Pedals - not included. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: chiming in:
one thing i noticed at the country bike shop was the absolutely excellent fender lines on all of their bikes. definetly have them install fenders on yer sam. oh yeah they are quite nice people there too. joe rex kelly On May 16, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Nice to hear, John. Just like this forum, it sounds like the folks at the Country Bike Shop provided a positive experience. It is a joy to interact with folks that genuinely want you to have the same pleasure on the bicycle that they themselves enjoy. Enjoy the Sam H.! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Simple dreaming
My first Riv, my first build of any kind. I'm a bit nervous. 56 CM SimpleOne designed to ride a 20 mile round trip commute over hills, in all weather, with a bag for stuff, as light, clean and cheap as possible. Interface ** Bars - Albatross on Nitto 11cm Technomic, stem with cork grips. If this doesn't work I'll try some down bars. Seat - Brooks B17 black Seat Post - yes Pedals - MKS Touring with Power Grips Brake - One front Tektro MTB with Tektro CR720 cantilevers Drivetrain ** Rear hub - Sturmey-Archer S2C two-speed kickback with coaster brake Cog - 17 tooth(?) Crank - TBD Wheels * May have Rich build these, or a local guy. Nothing special. Bolt On * Rack - Nitto Mini Front Bag - Some Rando style TBD. Fenders - SKS or if I can find some green painted fenders! Light - IXON IQ Speed That's it! Very curious and a bit nevous about the S-A S2C hub, hope it works.Any experience here with these or someone considering the same? Is there a rando bag that with work with Albatross bars? ~ Cheers, Jeff On May 14, 11:35 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I've been riding fixed/fixed on the stock QB free/free for a couple years without incident. I use the rotafix method of affixing the cog. The bikeshop broke a chainwhip trying to remove one of my cogs after I'd traded the wheelset to a friend. A little rota-UN-fixing, and it came right off. The original and still the best explanation:http://204.73.203.34/fisso/eng/schpignone.htm Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On May 13, 6:03 pm, rex jupiterthunderb...@yahoo.com wrote: on the contrary, ive been riding my quickbeam with a fixed/free setup on the free/free suzue hub, and so far zero problems. totally doable. the secret is in having two excellent brakes. obviously(?) much safer with a lockring but if yer not skidding to a stop i doubt it matters. got my advice from keven@riv and sheldonbrown.com. just my two cents. thanks for your time joe rex kelly On May 13, 7:07 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, sounds like a good set up. I'd make one change, though. Instead of a free/free rear hub, I'd go for either free/fixed or fixed/ fixed. The reason is, you can always put a freewheel on a fixed hub but you can never put a fixed cog on a freewheel hub. You limit your options by going free/free; you leave your options completely open with fixed/fixed. Maybe you don't want to try fixed gear now, but you may some day. I stared with a fixed/free setup and usually rode with the freewheel side. Now I'd say 80% of my miles are on the fixed gear side; it's a great way to go. Good luck with your mad plotting! ;-) Ron On May 13, 2:27 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Ok.. I'm sure some of you can relate. You think.. nice! A new Rivendell frame for ~ $1K. I can build a less-expensive bike than what I've already got, and it's not that bad... feels totally justifiable. And this one is a single speed - how much will it cost even with a couple of nice parts, without all that expensive shifter/derailleur nonsense... And then you start choosing parts. Here is my simple build list, after I got done dreaming and plotting. Sadly, only a couple of these things were in my parts bin, so I managed to build my most spendy Rivendell yet. : / 58cm SimpleOne Interface: -- Nitto Randonneur bars (45cm) Newbaums Orange Dirt drop stem (10cm) Brooks Special, Honey Nitto S-84 seatpost White Industries urban platform / Bruce Gordon stainless half clips. Wheelset --- Phil Wood high-flange free/free hubset, 32h, SLR drilled Velocity Fusion rims, double butted DT Swiss (laced radial front / 3-cross rear), brass nipples. Schwalbe Marathon Racer 700c x 35 Drivetrain --- White Industries Ti BB (113mm) White Industries ENO Crank (170mm) silver White Industries Dos ENO 16/19t White Industries Double chainring, 38/35t 3/32 single-speed chain Sugino Crank Fixing Bolts (8mm) Stoptrain --- Sram S500 road levers Jagwire brake cables Tektro CR720 cantilevers Aside from rim-tape and tubes, did I miss anything? I've got bottle cages, beeswax, corks, and twine, and the specific tools for those cranks and bb. The bar wrap will be shellacked down from orange to something approaching the honey of the saddle. Might put on an extra R-15 rack that I've got, or a sturdier and sleeker pannier rack if i can find one. Thinking about a 21t freewheel for the other side, too, or a 14t... Comon - who else has been madly plotting a SimpleOne or not-so-SimpleOne? Best, Andrew- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
Anyone try th Grand Bois randonneuring handlebars? Heard they are pretty good. K. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the Nitto Rando bars also and will use them on my New Simple One..just keep in mind that at the hoods they are much narrower. I think mine measure something like 38 or 39 cm. I like mine just fine and have about 3000 miles on them. I do also use a Noodle bar on my geared bike but its a 41cm so I like a narrower bar regardless. I don't ride in the dirt much so I don't need the wider grip on my road bike. On May 15, 4:44 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Zaella, I just got a 45 cm Rando bar to put on my pending SimpleOne, and will prob use a 10cm dirt-drop stem (lifts it higher). I've hated drops for the most part, and never gotten use to them, due to my long torso and shortish arms - always felt too forward/down even with an otherwise perfectly fitting stem. I love mustache and relatively straight bars (like bullmoose) for that reason. Bit I got the Rando's for the same reason you are considering them - to try some shorter drops. The 45's don't feel huge at all - because of the flared drop, they are not only much shallower than a noodle of the same width, the flats area is also smaller to make room for the flare. E.g I doubt you will find the 45s to big. It'll be a few weeks before I actually mount them on a bike, but i'll let you know what i think once i do, if you are still curious. Best, Andrew On May 15, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Zaelia wrote: Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and everything would click into place. Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me. I'm learning, but it's slow going. So with that in mind... I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem. It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me that I would not find anything like this in the retro style. I suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find anything with a medium to shallow drop. At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw, for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120 mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105 mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a similar construction and finish to model 115 (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this similar construction means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the website does not specify. So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options for hand positions. The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas. Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the same. The Nitto 135 Randonneur only comes in 2 sizes on the Harris Cyclery website (42 and 45 cm), so that helps a little. So maybe I'll just throw all my chips in and get the 45 cm... ? Well. I'm not sure why I wrote all this. I guess I'm hoping someone will read it and offer their thoughts and/or experiences. I'd be interested to read what others have to say. Thanks, Zaelia -- You received this message because you
[RBW] Re: Ang.: Y'all *have* heard about this one?
i think the source must be Mordor. On May 14, 1:11 pm, Pete pedalling.p...@gmail.com wrote: Would call that an insult and abomination of the bicycle design! Not easy being in Grant's shoes these days and constantly associated with with the Bridgestone brand: 1988 Bridgestone Bicycle Calendarhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1988-Bridgestone-Bicycle-Calendar-New-Old-Stock... ; ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Motolite brakes
i have the Paul motolite brakes in order to use 650b's on my atlantis designed for 26 wheels. they work wonders, however, they have much more upward vertical movement than downward. i'm don't think it will work to go from 700c to 650b and continue the use of your canti studs. sorry. On May 14, 10:12 am, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I know that some of you are very familiar with these brakes. Can one can use these brakes on a 700c sized frame to convert to 650B by adjusting the pads lower on the brakes? Or, is it a lot more complicated than that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
I have 'em on my AHH, and I love them. But I'm not hard to please on handlebars -- many feel great to me, including wide Noodles and narrow old Nittos and Cinellis. And Moustaches, and Albas, and Bullmeese From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khalid Mateen Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:47 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar setup Anyone try th Grand Bois randonneuring handlebars? Heard they are pretty good. K. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.commailto:charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the Nitto Rando bars also and will use them on my New Simple One..just keep in mind that at the hoods they are much narrower. I think mine measure something like 38 or 39 cm. I like mine just fine and have about 3000 miles on them. I do also use a Noodle bar on my geared bike but its a 41cm so I like a narrower bar regardless. I don't ride in the dirt much so I don't need the wider grip on my road bike. On May 15, 4:44 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.commailto:neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Zaella, I just got a 45 cm Rando bar to put on my pending SimpleOne, and will prob use a 10cm dirt-drop stem (lifts it higher). I've hated drops for the most part, and never gotten use to them, due to my long torso and shortish arms - always felt too forward/down even with an otherwise perfectly fitting stem. I love mustache and relatively straight bars (like bullmoose) for that reason. Bit I got the Rando's for the same reason you are considering them - to try some shorter drops. The 45's don't feel huge at all - because of the flared drop, they are not only much shallower than a noodle of the same width, the flats area is also smaller to make room for the flare. E.g I doubt you will find the 45s to big. It'll be a few weeks before I actually mount them on a bike, but i'll let you know what i think once i do, if you are still curious. Best, Andrew On May 15, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Zaelia wrote: Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and everything would click into place. Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me. I'm learning, but it's slow going. So with that in mind... I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem. It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me that I would not find anything like this in the retro style. I suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find anything with a medium to shallow drop. At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw, for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120 mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105 mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a similar construction and finish to model 115 (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this similar construction means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the website does not specify. So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options for hand positions. The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas. Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the
Re: [RBW] Re: Ang.: Y'all *have* heard about this one?
Mordor working through its agent, Carapace Completed Umber. Note the mini-microdrive drivetrain. Patrick and what the hell does *that* mean? Moore On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:03 AM, ekoral eko...@gmail.com wrote: i think the source must be Mordor. On May 14, 1:11 pm, Pete pedalling.p...@gmail.com wrote: Would call that an insult and abomination of the bicycle design! Not easy being in Grant's shoes these days and constantly associated with with the Bridgestone brand: 1988 Bridgestone Bicycle Calendarhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1988-Bridgestone-Bicycle-Calendar-New-Old-Stock... ; ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: guu watanabe bag videos
Thanks for the tip. I love to see the Japanese traditional cutting tools, although I do like my rotary cutter. While browsing his photostream I saw this rack from Nitto http://flic.kr/p/9FDMCf and wondered if anybody here has tried one yet? I know thay are similare to the VO offering and some older racks, but interesting none the less. I saw these last week on the Ben's cycle page looking for other stuff and promptly forgot about it until now. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On May 16, 8:43 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following this photo stream on flickr for a long time. Guu Watanabe is a maker of custom bags using leather and canvas. He makes a lot of cycling bags as well as any other kind of bag. Recently they put up a few videos of the process of making a bag. http://www.flickr.com/photos/guuwatanabe/sets/72157626734300676/with/... I'm not sure what he's saying in the video since I don't speak/read/understand japanese but I enjoyed watching the snippets and browsing through the bags he has on: http://www.guu-watanabe.com/english.htm They appear to be fantastic products but I've never seen one in person. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Simple dreaming
Photos and early ride descriptions when the time comes, please, especially wrt the S2C which I from time to time consider for a cop-out alternative wheel for my Riv fixies. I hankered after a S1 myself until the Herse put paid to that particular dream, at least for now -- it fills the role I had in mind for the S1, videlicet, an all-rounder, load carrying bike that is also fun to ride fast. Your build sounds perfectly reasonable, tho' I personally find any bar except a drop uncomfortable. I wonder how the S1 will handle with a front load? My other Rivs have been happiest with most of the weight in back. I bought the Herse for its putative (!!) front loading capacity -- hope to really test it once I get a porteur rack, God willing, later this week. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jeffrey unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: My first Riv, my first build of any kind. I'm a bit nervous. 56 CM SimpleOne designed to ride a 20 mile round trip commute over hills, in all weather, with a bag for stuff, as light, clean and cheap as possible. Interface ** Bars - Albatross on Nitto 11cm Technomic, stem with cork grips. If this doesn't work I'll try some down bars. Seat - Brooks B17 black Seat Post - yes Pedals - MKS Touring with Power Grips Brake - One front Tektro MTB with Tektro CR720 cantilevers Drivetrain ** Rear hub - Sturmey-Archer S2C two-speed kickback with coaster brake Cog - 17 tooth(?) Crank - TBD Wheels * May have Rich build these, or a local guy. Nothing special. Bolt On * Rack - Nitto Mini Front Bag - Some Rando style TBD. Fenders - SKS or if I can find some green painted fenders! Light - IXON IQ Speed That's it! Very curious and a bit nevous about the S-A S2C hub, hope it works.Any experience here with these or someone considering the same? Is there a rando bag that with work with Albatross bars? ~ Cheers, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
The Grifo XS roll beautifully on pavement! Just as well as (actually, possibly even faster than) the JB Greens, despite the nibbly knobs. And I'm not saying that to dis' the JB Greens, which I like a lot and think are really great tires. I've ridden the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix on gravel/dirt a few times and have never flatted. They don't have enough volume for gonzo trail riding, but I've done that too on a whim and didn't flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] First S24O to Sam P. Taylor with photos.
Hi, Thought I'd make a proper post as I'm a long-time lurker and reply-er but never first time poster. A few friends and I have all recently reached that point in our cycling lives where we've sold or barely ride our track bikes, where the road bikes see less and less use and our racings days are long gone and the interest is in purely remembering how much fun the first time we rode bicycles was like. We've all collectively encouraged each other to build up Riv-ish bikes (though, aside from my wife, none of us have a Riv — a Bob Jackson, an old Gitane and a Velo Orange) and being in the Bay Area finally decided we'd take these lovely bikes and go bike camping for the first time. I won't bore you with a soliloquy on how much of a wonderful weekend it was, with moments of pure child-like joy and wonderment (at least in my mind) and the feeling of the freedom that comes with riding a bike. Thus, photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/absenter/sets/72157626701948778/ Cheers! Naz. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: First S24O to Sam P. Taylor with photos.
Awesome pictures Naz! Looked like lovely weather. On May 16, 11:23 am, Naz Hamid absen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thought I'd make a proper post as I'm a long-time lurker and reply-er but never first time poster. A few friends and I have all recently reached that point in our cycling lives where we've sold or barely ride our track bikes, where the road bikes see less and less use and our racings days are long gone and the interest is in purely remembering how much fun the first time we rode bicycles was like. We've all collectively encouraged each other to build up Riv-ish bikes (though, aside from my wife, none of us have a Riv — a Bob Jackson, an old Gitane and a Velo Orange) and being in the Bay Area finally decided we'd take these lovely bikes and go bike camping for the first time. I won't bore you with a soliloquy on how much of a wonderful weekend it was, with moments of pure child-like joy and wonderment (at least in my mind) and the feeling of the freedom that comes with riding a bike. Thus, photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/absenter/sets/72157626701948778/ Cheers! Naz. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 08:55 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on the weekends. I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4 or smaller) and locked down pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems to be 1/2 to 1 as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the higher quality easily accessible resources. IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and bogging down. Agreed. Also I find that being heavier than most, even 25mm tires are very unsatisfactory for me on gravel roads: they skitter around and feel very unsteady. The wider I go, the more planted the bike feels and the more secure I am. I was very surprised when I switched from CdlVs to Hetres and did the same gravel road descent and found that where I'd initially felt as though I was riding ten tenths at around 12 mph with the CdlVs that with the Hetres I was taking the same descents at 18-20 mph and feeling all laid back and casual. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: guu watanabe bag videos
On May 16, 9:04 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that Jitensha could get them, too. That's correct. Jitensha does carry a model that I think Hiroshi designed with Guu--collabo'd, as the kids say. I saw the prototype there a while back: http://tinyurl.com/42rngo6 But, now you can order the real thing, according to Hiroshi's daughter. Best, SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] First S24O to Sam P. Taylor with photos.
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 11:23 -0700, Naz Hamid wrote: I won't bore you with a soliloquy on how much of a wonderful weekend it was, with moments of pure child-like joy and wonderment (at least in my mind) and the feeling of the freedom that comes with riding a bike. Thus, photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/absenter/sets/72157626701948778/ No need, it comes through very well in the photos. It's a wonderful sport, isn't it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] First S24O to Sam P. Taylor with photos.
I know all about the wonderfulness of SP Taylor, having camped there several times, but portable Settlers?!! Where do you get such a thing? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Naz Hamid absen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thought I'd make a proper post as I'm a long-time lurker and reply-er but never first time poster. A few friends and I have all recently reached that point in our cycling lives where we've sold or barely ride our track bikes, where the road bikes see less and less use and our racings days are long gone and the interest is in purely remembering how much fun the first time we rode bicycles was like. We've all collectively encouraged each other to build up Riv-ish bikes (though, aside from my wife, none of us have a Riv — a Bob Jackson, an old Gitane and a Velo Orange) and being in the Bay Area finally decided we'd take these lovely bikes and go bike camping for the first time. I won't bore you with a soliloquy on how much of a wonderful weekend it was, with moments of pure child-like joy and wonderment (at least in my mind) and the feeling of the freedom that comes with riding a bike. Thus, photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/absenter/sets/72157626701948778/ Cheers! Naz. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 15, 11:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've pushed both over many an unpaved surface. no flats/sidewall tears, but they get chewed up pretty good. lots of nicks in the tread and rough surfaces definitely accelerate the wear on these tires (but as they do get worn, I put a bit of Stan's sealant in the tube for a bit of extra protection/peace of mind). As David notes, they wear kind of fast in general, so you'd need to decide if you want kill a tire that nice bombing around on rough roads. Because of that, I prefer to use them on paved roads more often than not lately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 12:04 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? the XS has a very, very soft tread and I wouldn't be surprised if it started to peel away if used primarily on the road. I've used both the clincher and tubular - and like them - but it's not going to offer you much, if anything, that 30-33 slick at a proper psi can on mixed terrain rides. i'm also dubious of its cornering capability on pavement - i've had a few sketchy experiences where I pushed this tire a little too hard in the turns. side knobs are okay for cornering in grass, tacky mud, etc. - not so great on asphalt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A Little More Vanilla
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 20:19 -0700, Lesli wrote: Here's mine. Recent Fall '10 delivery. Stealth decals. Someone on our 600k last week asked me if it was a Raleigh. The only Raleighs that bike looks even remotely like are the Raleigh Restorations JP Weigle's been doing, like this his latest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/5722556927/in/photostream -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Interesting. That hasn't been my experience with the Grifo XS at all. I've ridden the same trails on both Jack Brown greens and Grifo XS. For me, the small knobs offer quite a bit of grip in sections that leave the JBs slipping and spinning out. I haven't had any cornering issues on asphalt with the side knobs on the Grifos, nor has the tread peeled away. And I've used them quite a bit on pavement, riding many miles to-and-from the trailheads. I've found them to be quite durable and fast tires for any setting, and definitely preferable to similar width slicks on dirt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Parts I am selling from Bombadil
Here is what is still available: Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $50 for Nitto $15 for Electra Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20 Cranks: Sugino XD2 triple 175mm 24/39/43 I also have a Sugino 40, never got the rings I really wanted easy fix. $75 and a few other items I was holding on to but decided to pass along. Headset: Cane Creek Classic 100 1 $70 Saddle: Brooks B-17 Special $90 Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra High normal $75 Pedals: Suntour Superbe Pro. $55 Toe Clips: MKS L Half clips with leather. $15 Fenders: VO Zeppelin 55mm $25 On May 13, 3:08 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Stem, Bars and shifters are sold. waiting to hear back about the wheels from RJM On May 13, 3:06 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: You can have the wheels, all the other parts are sold that you were after. On May 13, 12:50 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote: I will take the wheels, bar, shifters and thumbies. On May 13, 2:01 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $50 for Nitto $15 for Electra Stem: Specialized/Nitto Dirt Drop $20 Bars: Sycip Singles Bar $25 Shifters: Shimano 8 speed and Paul mounts mounted upside down. $80 (recently switched to silver mounts) Brakes: Shimano XT High Profile and VO Hangers $30 Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20 Cranks: Sugino XD2 triple 175mm 24/39/43 I also have a Sugino 40, never got the rings I really wanted easy fix. $75 Wheels: 650B Synergy laced to LX hubs, built by Rich. $220 http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157625721858877/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 5:49 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. That hasn't been my experience with the Grifo XS at all. I like the XS, especially the tubular (although I do get some tread peeling)! i've done a bunch of cyclocross racing on it, and it probably is preferable on trails to a slick. but dirt roads mean something different to me than trails, and I don't need tread there. and i still don't recommend putting a file tread with side knobs (or any tire with side knobs) on the limit on pavement - with nothing to bite into, it can easily skip its way out from under you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Parts I am selling from Bombadil
Oops I also forgot to list the BB. Its an Interloc Racing BB. 68x? $20 worked perfectly with the cranks on my Riv. Once I start disassembling the bike this weekend I will post what the actual measurements are on the BB. Will On May 16, 4:22 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is what is still available: Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $50 for Nitto $15 for Electra Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20 Cranks: Sugino XD2 triple 175mm 24/39/43 I also have a Sugino 40, never got the rings I really wanted easy fix. $75 and a few other items I was holding on to but decided to pass along. Headset: Cane Creek Classic 100 1 $70 Saddle: Brooks B-17 Special $90 Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra High normal $75 Pedals: Suntour Superbe Pro. $55 Toe Clips: MKS L Half clips with leather. $15 Fenders: VO Zeppelin 55mm $25 On May 13, 3:08 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Stem, Bars and shifters are sold. waiting to hear back about the wheels from RJM On May 13, 3:06 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: You can have the wheels, all the other parts are sold that you were after. On May 13, 12:50 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote: I will take the wheels, bar, shifters and thumbies. On May 13, 2:01 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $50 for Nitto $15 for Electra Stem: Specialized/Nitto Dirt Drop $20 Bars: Sycip Singles Bar $25 Shifters: Shimano 8 speed and Paul mounts mounted upside down. $80 (recently switched to silver mounts) Brakes: Shimano XT High Profile and VO Hangers $30 Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20 Cranks: Sugino XD2 triple 175mm 24/39/43 I also have a Sugino 40, never got the rings I really wanted easy fix. $75 Wheels: 650B Synergy laced to LX hubs, built by Rich. $220 http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157625721858877/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
I've used the Supremes (35s) for 1.5 years now. With the other tires the first flat got a nice laugh from the folks at work: Don't you love bikes? HaHa, by the third flat they weren't laughing anymore: g, is this gonna be a habit?!. Put on Supremes and voila...no more flats on the commute. Since you are going from Marathon Plus to Supreme I think adjectives like lively and plush can be used to describe the Supremes. Bike handling descriptions really depends on ones perspective...anyhow, I'd like to try the Duremes but the Supremes have a lot if life left. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
I have the 700x40's and love them. For me they roll fast at 70psi rear and 65 psi front. I weigh about 260 now and need the wide tire. They seem as fast as my other bike with 32 mm Panaracer Ribmo's @ 90 psi. I think it depends on your weight but lets face it, there is only a few mm difference. I say go wide with pride. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
Have mostly had a set of 700x40 on the Hillborne. The tires are very reliable. There are times when they do seem sluggish as Andrew Hill states. Still can't figure it out as the tire seems light enough. Might be the casing. Usually have the tires inflated to 40 front 45-50 rear. Am 225 with high bars so more weight on the rear (of the bike, that is). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 16, 7:02 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 700x40's and love them. For me they roll fast at 70psi rear and 65 psi front. I weigh about 260 now and need the wide tire. They seem as fast as my other bike with 32 mm Panaracer Ribmo's @ 90 psi. I think it depends on your weight but lets face it, there is only a few mm difference. I say go wide with pride. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
Mitch: I've used Marathon Supremes exclusively on my Atlants for several years love 'em. Long wear less than 1 flat per tire on average. Yes they are expensive but you won't be disappointed. On your question regarding fender clearance, I posted some measurements I took yesterday when I changed out worn 35s for a 40 50 mix. The 35s measure 27-1/2 OD; 40s are 28; and the 50s are 28-1/2. I know that sounds too tidy but it's close enough for tires. All at 50 psi on Mavic A-719 rim. IIRC, on an Atlantis there's plenty of room for pretty much any 35 with a fender and a 40 will probably work as well. Might give Riv a call to see what they think, since they have both products. FWIW, wow, that 50 on the back is BIG! I gotta look up the weight but it's a pretty noticeable change from the 35. Might take some getting used to. dougP On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
Now considering the Grand Bois Randonneur handlebars. I measured my Nitto 115s when I got home tonight and, center-to-center, they measure 38cm at the hoods and 42 cm at the drops. The Compass Bicycle website (http://www.compasscycle.com/Handlebars.html) shows these are 38.5 cm (385 mm) at the ramps and 41 cm (410 cm) at the drops (center-to- center). So, unless I measured incorrectly (totally possible), they're virtually the same, except for reach and drop, and the GB Rando has these both in the range I was looking for... Charlie wrote I have the Nitto Rando bars also and will use them on my New Simple One..just keep in mind that at the hoods they are much narrower. I think mine measure something like 38 or 39 cm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
You need more air, try 60 psi. I realized one day that I hadn't checked the pressure and was riding with 50-55 psi on pavement and they felt sluggish. A mere 10 psi more made a noticeable difference. On May 16, 7:02 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have mostly had a set of 700x40 on the Hillborne. The tires are very reliable. There are times when they do seem sluggish as Andrew Hill states. Still can't figure it out as the tire seems light enough. Might be the casing. Usually have the tires inflated to 40 front 45-50 rear. Am 225 with high bars so more weight on the rear (of the bike, that is). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 16, 7:02 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 700x40's and love them. For me they roll fast at 70psi rear and 65 psi front. I weigh about 260 now and need the wide tire. They seem as fast as my other bike with 32 mm Panaracer Ribmo's @ 90 psi. I think it depends on your weight but lets face it, there is only a few mm difference. I say go wide with pride. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
i use 40mm supremes everywhere, wonderful tires. gone through two sets. a smooth tire that handles anything i might care to ride across offroad? yes please. erik -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
I inflate them to around 65psi, and still find them sluggish. best, andrew On May 16, 2011, at 9:45 PM, charlie wrote: You need more air, try 60 psi. I realized one day that I hadn't checked the pressure and was riding with 50-55 psi on pavement and they felt sluggish. A mere 10 psi more made a noticeable difference. On May 16, 7:02 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have mostly had a set of 700x40 on the Hillborne. The tires are very reliable. There are times when they do seem sluggish as Andrew Hill states. Still can't figure it out as the tire seems light enough. Might be the casing. Usually have the tires inflated to 40 front 45-50 rear. Am 225 with high bars so more weight on the rear (of the bike, that is). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 16, 7:02 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 700x40's and love them. For me they roll fast at 70psi rear and 65 psi front. I weigh about 260 now and need the wide tire. They seem as fast as my other bike with 32 mm Panaracer Ribmo's @ 90 psi. I think it depends on your weight but lets face it, there is only a few mm difference. I say go wide with pride. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please
i am not a racer, but they are great expedition tires and plenty fast enough to pass lycra-folks on the road when i happen upon it. erik On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I inflate them to around 65psi, and still find them sluggish. best, andrew On May 16, 2011, at 9:45 PM, charlie wrote: You need more air, try 60 psi. I realized one day that I hadn't checked the pressure and was riding with 50-55 psi on pavement and they felt sluggish. A mere 10 psi more made a noticeable difference. On May 16, 7:02 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have mostly had a set of 700x40 on the Hillborne. The tires are very reliable. There are times when they do seem sluggish as Andrew Hill states. Still can't figure it out as the tire seems light enough. Might be the casing. Usually have the tires inflated to 40 front 45-50 rear. Am 225 with high bars so more weight on the rear (of the bike, that is). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 16, 7:02 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have the 700x40's and love them. For me they roll fast at 70psi rear and 65 psi front. I weigh about 260 now and need the wide tire. They seem as fast as my other bike with 32 mm Panaracer Ribmo's @ 90 psi. I think it depends on your weight but lets face it, there is only a few mm difference. I say go wide with pride. On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I've been pretty happy with the Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection. I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for the summer at least. I like the bigger tires since I fear no root, rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in. I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their personal experience? Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Simple dreaming
Patrick - Thanks for the heads up about the front loading - I hadn't considered that and am not married to a front bag. I'll consider a large saddle bag. I'm starting with the Alba bar 'cuz I have one here, and will try a Mustache and then drop if needed. I am also considering the S-A 3XS (fixed) and will post when I've got and ridden either one. So many excellent choices! Suggestions welcome - new to this stuff, really. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
One thing that works to prevent neck stiffness for me is to completely relax my upper body - it takes lots of practice actually. My fit on my AHH (with 42 cm Noodles) is such that I have a natural bend in my arms and my scapulas aren't popping out of my back (not that I could see this anyway, but I can feel it when my body is tensed up it feels like my scapulas are protruding). I see lots of riders out there with their arms stiff and straight at the hoods, scapulas popping out, and over the years I have figured any upper body stiffness I get from riding seems to correlate with how tense my upper body is and I think that is directly correlated to the cockpit fit I have dialed in at the time. My experience with albatross bars seems to exaggerate this even more - creating a natural bend in my arms and naturally relaxing my body - I think its more the relaxation in my arms rather than being more upright. When my bars are 1-2 cm above my saddle with my Noodles, it helps alleviate almost all the pressure in my palms and hands and can naturally bend my arms a bit to get into relax mode. You mentioned Harris Cyclery so if you're in the Metro Boston area, the fitters at Ace Wheelworks in Belmont do a darn good job. Plus you can lust after Peter Mooney's lugged steel he has hanging around the shop...which I just noticed a couple weeks back that he's got a flickr page now http://www.flickr.com/photos/petermooney/ There's lots of carbon forks in there so just close your eye when they pop up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: First S24O to Sam P. Taylor with photos.
Very nice, Naz. Your photos make me envious and homesick for California. Is that a VO Polyvalent? Steve On May 16, 2:23 pm, Naz Hamid absen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thought I'd make a proper post as I'm a long-time lurker and reply-er but never first time poster. A few friends and I have all recently reached that point in our cycling lives where we've sold or barely ride our track bikes, where the road bikes see less and less use and our racings days are long gone and the interest is in purely remembering how much fun the first time we rode bicycles was like. We've all collectively encouraged each other to build up Riv-ish bikes (though, aside from my wife, none of us have a Riv — a Bob Jackson, an old Gitane and a Velo Orange) and being in the Bay Area finally decided we'd take these lovely bikes and go bike camping for the first time. I won't bore you with a soliloquy on how much of a wonderful weekend it was, with moments of pure child-like joy and wonderment (at least in my mind) and the feeling of the freedom that comes with riding a bike. Thus, photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/absenter/sets/72157626701948778/ Cheers! Naz. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar setup
On May 15, 7:36 pm, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Discussing bicycles in particular; it has been my experience that there are a lot of strong opinions out there about what is right or optimum. Personally, I think that it is whatever works for the individual. There are so many styles and purposes of riding, it's not hard to see that a one-fits-all formula isn't possible, even though I sometimes wish someone could just give me a magic number and everything would click into place. Next, I guess I have to admit that a lot of this stuff is Greek to me. I'm learning, but it's slow going. So with that in mind... I've been to my LBS for a bike fitting (a multi-visit process) and we first took care of the basics, pedals and saddle. Things have improved. I have almost no hand or foot tingles any more, and knee pain is gone, for example, but I'm still experiencing shoulder and neck pain. I definitely feel as though I'm bunched up up top, like my shoulders are too close to my ears. In a recent visit, we determined that to start I should get a longer stem. Currently, my Hilsen has an 8 cm (80 mm) Nitto Technomic stem. It was suggested that, without changing my handlebars, I get a 10 cm (100 mm) stem. It was also suggested I get a handlebar that has a medium to shallow drop since I admitted to almost never riding in the drops because it feels too uncomfortable. I've got a 42 cm (420 mm) Nitto 115. The fitter, very keen for me to get an anatomic bar that he thought was perfect for me, pulled out a black aluminum bar and repeatedly told me that I would not find anything like this in the retro style. I suppose he meant the angular or shaped-curve drops of the anatomic bars, but I also had the feeling he was saying I wouldn't find anything with a medium to shallow drop. At home on my computer, I looked at various Nitto handlebars on a couple of websites (Riv, Peter White, and Harris Cyclery) and I saw, for example, that the Nitto 135 Randonneur has a shallower drop at 120 mm compared to my 115 at 140 mm. It has a slightly longer reach at 105 mm compared to my 100 mm, but has basically a similar construction and finish to model 115 (Harris Cyclery). I'm assuming this similar construction means it has a 25.4 mm center as well, though the website does not specify. So, I'm thinking about getting the Randonneur bars and trying them out with the new, longer stem. I'll get the improved reach with the longer stem and a shallower drop for better shifting and increased options for hand positions. The last thing is handlebar width. I've read quite a bit about going for a wider handlebar width. Again, the fitter had different ideas. Ironically, he could see how maybe my working at a computer for many hours a day could cause some back problems but did not see that having a narrow (shoulder width) bar could do the same. The Nitto 135 Randonneur only comes in 2 sizes on the Harris Cyclery website (42 and 45 cm), so that helps a little. So maybe I'll just throw all my chips in and get the 45 cm... ? Well. I'm not sure why I wrote all this. I guess I'm hoping someone will read it and offer their thoughts and/or experiences. I'd be interested to read what others have to say. Thanks, Zaelia I tried a Nitto Randonneur and liked it. I got the wider version; the narrow version seemed -too- narrow at the hoods. But the drop was still more than I wanted. I have switched to the On One Midge, which has a shallower drop than the Nitto. http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HBOOMI/on-one-midge-handlebar It's an odd bar. The drops are not vertical, they flare out quite a bit, so the brake levers are not parallel to the stem at all. Do an images search for it to see what I mean. But I like its shallow drop and width. I have seen pictures of the Salsa Moto Ace Woodchipper, and it looks very wide and shallow, wider than the Midge: http://salsacycles.com/components/moto_ace_woodchipper/ A disadvantage to the Midge is that shipping from the UK about doubles its cost. BC barred -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
