[RBW] Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
I just picked up a truly enormous Nigel Smythe bag from a member here (or 
maybe ibob, or both) and it's in need of a thingy. I call it thus, as I have 
no idea what to call it. It's a little nipple-type-thing that attaches to 
the flap over a side pocket, then the strap attched to the main body of the 
pocket has a hole on its end which slips over the thingy to close the 
pocket. Said thingy is the nipple-type-part, which is backed up by a screw 
that threads in from behind the pocket flap. 
 
So, I've a grommet in need of a thing-grommets-slip-over. Does anybody know 
where I can find such a thing(y)?
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Ram-Representin' at Levi's Fondo - Sonoma County Ride

2011-10-05 Thread Esteban
Jim - great write-up!  I rode Willow Creek on this year's Old Caz 300k
- and it was truly a highlight.  Those two slaps-in-the-face have a
name, the something-sisters.

I'm stoked so many people on race bikes took the dirt option.  For an
event this big, that bodes well for mixed-surface riding in general.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Oct 3, 8:58 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Heck yeah, rocked the course... oh wait, that says DNF Uhhhm,
 nevermind...

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:24 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:





   Hey, look at name #300 on this list:

 http://milliseconds.com/participants/final_list/division/140253

  -Original Message-
  From: cyclotourist **
  Sent: Oct 3, 2011 7:31 PM
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Ram-Representin' at Levi's Fondo - Sonoma County
  Ride

  Here's a write up I came across:
 http://www.northbayvoice.org/20111002347/community-voices/musings-on-...

  Sept 29th next year... just sayin'...

  On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:23 PM, James Warren 
  jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:

  Max,
  Glad to hear you were out there too! Too bad we didn't run into each
  other, but I guess that was a longshot. I'd guess that Ram or Roadeo are
  just perfect for this ride.

  -Jim

  On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:09 PM, reynoldslugs wrote:

   As a Rivendell rider from Sonoma County, I offer sincere thanks to Jim
   W for a very nice report.  I try not to go on and on about it, but the
   riding here is truly fabulous.  Bobke's list of 50 Things to do Before
   You Die includes the King Ride ride, witht the Meyer's Grade descent.

   Thisi year I rode on a Roadeo; our scenery is great, but the roads are
   wonderfully crappy, so 32mm kojaks were the best tire choice.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625765337223/

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625377490164/

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625470080748/

   Maybe 1% of the bikes were steel, everything else generic Specialized
   or what-have-you.

   Thanks all that joined the ride.  I'd be happy to organize a Rivendell
   Owner's Gran Fondo - -Mike's route is good, or  say meet in Monte Rio,
   hit Fort Ross Road and Coleman Valley via gravel on Willow Creek - -
   if there ever appears to be sufficient interest.  These roads are made
   for our steel bikes.  Come any time.  Here's what the ride looks like
   on a sunny April day:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157625169185335/

   - Maxie (Reynolds lugs, lugged reynolds)

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[RBW] Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Sounds like the stud that the leather strap catches onto as part of the 
quick-release mechanism. If so, then look for 

Sam Browne

on the page at this link. Or just scan down the page until you see the picture 
of what you want.

http://www.eleathersupply.com/fasteners.shtml

Good luck! Is your bag is a Nigel Smythe Big Box? Those looked enormous. 
Pictures, please!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Hi!

In your case, the 54 Hunq and the 58 Atlantis seem like they'd both fit really 
well. The geo chart I have suggests the contact points on those are super 
close. Between those two, it looks like aesthetics would rule. Unless you 
contemplate mountain biking (not just normal trail riding), then the Hunq might 
have the edge.

For the record, @245 I'm in your weight class and have been so completely 
thrilled with my 60 Hillborne that I'm getting another. The 56 might work well 
for you. I've never felt like having anything fatter that a 40 tire under my 
fenders, riding marginal roads and decent trails all of 6,000 miles.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Forrest
dougP wrote:  I'm 5'11 with a PBH of 85 cm, and a seat height of 77 cm, 
and ride a 
58 cm Atlantis . . .  

Same for me, Peter.  If you have the budget, I'd go Atlantis, just for 
larger tire options/versatility -- and because you might regret it if you 
don't get it when you have the chance. The Hillborne (which I used to own in 
a 56) is a very fine frame, too, of course. If I ever was going to do lots 
and lots of rough-stuff riding verging on mountain-bikey-type stuff, I'd 
look at the Hunquapillar (sp?), but I think the Atlantis will be up for 
anything I'm really likely to do much.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Michael Hechmer
Peter, I live in a town in VT with virtually no paved roads so a lot of my 
riding is on dirt roads and nearly all of them, at the least, begin and end 
with a couple of miles of dirt roads.  Tire size capacity is certainly a big 
variable in choosing a frame.  I ride  35's (actual) when I will be on dirt 
roads most of the time and really like the combination of comfort, grip, and 
 responsiveness.  I don't think you necessarily need anything bigger than 
that, but there are times, like winter, when having the ability to put a big 
studded tire on is nice.

If I were in your place, and could afford it, I would leap at the Atlantis. 
 You can run Jack Browns for cruising around the many great paved roads in 
the Adirondack Park and go bigger if you want to ride dirt.  Upstate NY 
soils are noticeably sandier than VT, so bigger may be a help.

Also, Don't let brake choice drive the decision.  I rode side pull almost 
exclusively for 25 years but have gradually switched over entirely to cantis 
and center pulls because they work so well and give better fender clearance. 
 If you spring for the Atlantis, also go for a nice set of Paul's Neo 
Retros. They are very easy to set up, at least the second time you do it, 
and will last as long as the bike.

Sometimes life doesn't present us with any good choices, this is one of 
those times when there isn't a bad choice!

Enjoy,
michael

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Ginz
The max tire on the Hillborne with fenders, 38-40mm, would not satisfy
me on a gravel road.  I would go Atlantis for that reason.  But, I
like my big tires -- 26 x 1.75 minimum!

If you were going after the sidepull/centerpull Hillborne, that might
make the decision more difficult.  But, I don't see going for a
Hillborne with canti's when one can get an Atlantis.  If the $500
difference bothers you, go Hunqapillar!  Sorry to add to the
confusion.

Ginz

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Garth
Peter, Getting a wider tired bike is never overkill!  Like others have 
said do consider the Hunqapillar.  Personally, though I have a Bombadil 
only. ... I would only consider a Hunq because the ability to ride higher 
bars than the Atlantis, and the extra tube does add stiffness to the front 
end which adds to the stability. This is an overlooked and subtle thing, but 
it is noticeable to me in a 60cm. Bombadil vs. my custom 62cm.Reynolds 531ST 
frame.

If color is consideration, you can always get the Hunq frame painted any 
color you wish. I asked Keven how much for a single color repaint, no fancy 
pin stripes, just a basic color, he told be about $100 from their painter. 
That is more than reasonable :)

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Minh

I think that these two models 'ride' similiar enough that you can make
the decision based on the details.
* Atlantis has nicer paint, fancier lugs
* Atlantis is US built (unless you need the larger size Hillborne)
* Atlantis will take a bigger tire (fendered or unfendered)
* side-pulls vs cantis
* cost (depends on which Hillborne you need)

are any of those important to you?

I have a SH, and run 37mm tires (fendered), sometimes i would like a
fatter tire, but i only ride groomed/hard gravel.

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RE: [RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Larry Powers

I am 6'1 and ride a 61 Atlantis and feel it is one of my best fitting bikes.  
Depends on how you like it to fit.

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 

 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:47:50 -0700
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 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide
 
 Recheck size though. My wife is 5' 10 and has a 61 Atlantis.. Rides great 
 ..looks great...but then they all do.
 
 Kelly
 
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[RBW] Re: Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Minh
Thomas,

Thanks for posting this, i had one these loosen on me a few weeks back
and i was thinking where i would go to replace it if i had not caught
it and tightened it back up!

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[RBW] Re: Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Oh, it occurs to me that the Sam Browne stud may be a rivet-style 
installation, while the button stud (a couple entries lower on that same 
linked page) appears to be a threaded arrangement. Seeing that, I'd go for 
the button stud even if just as an experiment. The prices are so low that 
you can probably get some of both and see which works better for you.
 
It's funny, I wasn't a big fan of the Big Box throughout the time it was 
available. In retrospect, though, I can see the appeal. I lived with (to 
some extent, in) a SaddleSack Large for quite a while and found the 
massive capacity was handy. However, the Medium has advantages too; I'm very 
happy with it. But we'll see if winter (and all the layers it requires) 
teaches me anew the value of the Large's spaciousness.
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
 
 

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Liesl

 I ride  35's (actual) when I will be on dirt
 roads most of the time and really like the combination of comfort, grip, and
  responsiveness.  I don't think you necessarily need anything bigger than
 that, but there are times, like winter, when having the ability to put a big
 studded tire on is nice.

Yes, if you ever think you'll want studded tires with fenders for
winter riding, having oodles of room is vital.

liesl in soon-to-be-winter minneapolis


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[RBW] Re: Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Thanks for the information..very helpful. The seller described it as 
large, which I don't see on the Rivbike site anymore, but it certainly *
does* look like a big box. I'll get a pic together once my AHH gets here and 
built.
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread William
The Atlantis has those dreamy chainstays, too.  

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the Compass 26 tires

2011-10-05 Thread Bill Spencer
They are fantastic.Well worth the money. Supple, fast and comfy!

On Oct 4, 1:25 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a small (52) Atlantis and was wondering if anyone has pulled
 the trigger on these and had thoughts. I have Schwalbe Marathons which
 are bombproof but...

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the Compass 26 tires

2011-10-05 Thread singlecross
I have ridden about 300 miles of pavement and gravel roads on the new
26 x 1.75 Compass tires. They replaced 26 x 1.25 kevlar folding
Pasela's on my bike which I liked just fine. The Compass tires do ride
very nicely... smooth and more secure feeling on gravel. Obviously an
apple and oranges comparison based on the volume differences. When I
mounted the Compasses, the casing was supple and felt thinner than
other tires I have mounted. I have not tried the 26 x 1.75 Pasela but
will probably try a pair of those next just to see if they can come
close to the Compass at less cost. That said, I have really enjoyed
the Compass so far and don't mind supporting Jan and BQ for the good
work they do.

Adam
DownEast

On Oct 4, 1:25 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a small (52) Atlantis and was wondering if anyone has pulled
 the trigger on these and had thoughts. I have Schwalbe Marathons which
 are bombproof but...

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the Compass 26 tires

2011-10-05 Thread Bill Spencer
I bit the bullet and paid the big bucks for these.Worth every penny.

Bill

On Oct 4, 1:25 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a small (52) Atlantis and was wondering if anyone has pulled
 the trigger on these and had thoughts. I have Schwalbe Marathons which
 are bombproof but...

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Peter M
All great advice guys, I was leaning towards the Hunq for a while
because it doese look beautiful but from the pics the headtube looks
really small on the 54 (the one I would fit on) so I was worried it
would be flexy in the cockpit area  if I had too much stem exposed,
even if it is a nitto stem and all. I think the smallest tires I would
ride would be 38s for around town and when going offroad upstate NY
probably 50s.  I know either bike would suit me but it seems like for
someone with a PBH of 84ish like me the Hunq would allow me to run the
biggest tires available and still have some standover room, if I am
reading the geometry chart correctly that is. I can get used to cantis
but it will be some adjustment as I am coming from riding European 531
frames. My MB2 is actually my wife's new whip since she is 5'10and
loves my IGH in the rear, triple up front set up so I havent gotten
alot of practice with the cantis. Anyone with the Hunq who likes to
sit upright have advice on how much stem I will need to have to get it
to fit right, assuming 72cm saddle height? (sorry if I double posted
this, still getting used to how the new groups features work)

On Oct 5, 9:18 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Peter, Getting a wider tired bike is never overkill!  Like others have
 said do consider the Hunqapillar.  Personally, though I have a Bombadil
 only. ... I would only consider a Hunq because the ability to ride higher
 bars than the Atlantis, and the extra tube does add stiffness to the front
 end which adds to the stability. This is an overlooked and subtle thing, but
 it is noticeable to me in a 60cm. Bombadil vs. my custom 62cm.Reynolds 531ST
 frame.

 If color is consideration, you can always get the Hunq frame painted any
 color you wish. I asked Keven how much for a single color repaint, no fancy
 pin stripes, just a basic color, he told be about $100 from their painter.
 That is more than reasonable :)

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[RBW] WTB 61cm Bleriot or 62cm Saluki

2011-10-05 Thread Michael Williams
Hey all, I know its a long shot , but just wondering if anyone has a
61cm Bleriot or 62cm Saluki for sale or trade for a 59cm Bleriot.
thank you-Mike

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Jay
The last RR had a page with pictures and profiles of all the current
models.
Probably doesn't add any new information but it might be helpful to
look at.

Jay

On Oct 5, 6:40 am, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Forth utmost versatility, today I'd tell you to go for the Hinqapillar. You
 cannot go wrong with the Atlantis either, but for higher bars, greater loads
 and do it all, I just love my Hunqapillar a tiny bit more than I love my
 Atlantis... Especially with Bullmoose bars...

 I'm 5'11 and ride a 61 Atlantis/Homer and a 58 Hunqapillar.

 René

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Leslie makes some excellent points. You also may want to talk to
 Grant/Mark/John, et al, about weight limits for each bike. I know the
 Atlantis is built a little stouter than the Sam, but I doubt you exceed the
 limits of either. Other than that and Leslie's advice about tire preference,
 I say, pick the one you like staring at the longest.

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[RBW] FS: new xl Devold Wool Boxers 2 pairs

2011-10-05 Thread mizrachi
I bought three pairs of XL Devold Wool Boxers from Riv Bike and
discovered that I'd fit better in a large.  so, I'm hoping to sell the
two that I didn't try on.  They're brand spanking new, never worn,
still tagged, just sitting here waiting for someone to save a few
bucks.

$35 shipped.






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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean



On Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:07:31 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

All great advice guys, I was leaning towards the Hunq for a while 
because it doese look beautiful but from the pics the headtube looks 
really small on the 54 (the one I would fit on) so I was worried it 
would be flexy in the cockpit area  if I had too much stem exposed, 
even if it is a nitto stem and all.

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I haven't done the arithmetic. But I'd be surprised if the top of the head 
tube on the 58cm Atlantis was more than a millimeter or two higher than the 
top of the head tube on a 54cm Hunqapillar. The Atlantis might even be a 
tiny bit lower.

The standover on the Atlantis is 4 millimeters higher. But the Hunqapillar's 
top tube angles up more. It's gonna be really close either way.

In any event, I would really not expect flex to be more of an issue on one 
versus the other.

As a person who often rides with a maximally exposed Dirt Drop 100 stem, I 
notice no significant flex in any of my Nitto cockpits. I wouldn't even 
contemplate it as a distinguishing factor between these models. Now, I'm 
probably not the best test of flex tolerability, though... my butt virtually 
never leaves the saddle.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: FS: new xl Devold Wool Boxers 2 pairs

2011-10-05 Thread mizrachi
Rookie mistake:  $35 per pair.



On Oct 5, 2:19 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought three pairs of XL Devold Wool Boxers from Riv Bike and
 discovered that I'd fit better in a large.  so, I'm hoping to sell the
 two that I didn't try on.  They're brand spanking new, never worn,
 still tagged, just sitting here waiting for someone to save a few
 bucks.

 $35 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Just curious... is this the bag?
 
 
*http://db.tt/xcksxrlG* http://db.tt/xcksxrlG

(photo's from the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, last snapshot of 2008, 
I think.)

Yours,

Thomas Lynn Skean http://db.tt/xcksxrlG

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[RBW] New Web Site

2011-10-05 Thread Michael Hechmer
I got an email today from RBW asking me to go to the new website and reenter 
my ordering data, and if possible, buy something.  I don't really need 
anything but thought I would renew my membership, which recently expired.  I 
can't find it on the new site, has anyone seen it?

While I'm on the topic, I must say that  I really like the new site, but I 
do wish RBW would carry more american made products.  They have dropped the 
Paul's neo retro brakes and only carry the Racer Ms not the racers.  I'd 
also like to see them carry the White Hubs and cranks along with the Cane 
Creek levers and headset. 

michael

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Re: [RBW] New Web Site

2011-10-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 I got an email today from RBW asking me to go to the new website and reenter
 my ordering data, and if possible, buy something.  I don't really need
 anything but thought I would renew my membership, which recently expired.  I
 can't find it on the new site, has anyone seen it?
 While I'm on the topic, I must say that  I really like the new site, but I
 do wish RBW would carry more american made products.  They have dropped the
 Paul's neo retro brakes and only carry the Racer Ms not the racers.  I'd
 also like to see them carry the White Hubs and cranks along with the Cane
 Creek levers and headset.


the cane creek levers are made in taiwan aren't they?

but I agree.

-sv

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[RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread Seth Vidal
I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
living wage, etc.

So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
were being exploited or treated badly)

I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
and had suggestions for me.

Thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: FS: new xl Devold Wool Boxers 2 pairs

2011-10-05 Thread mizrachi
sold

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Re: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread Sean Whelan
All of the Campagnolo stuff I have says Made in Italy.

They make cassettes, headsets, cranksets, etc.

You an buy  used or vintage Campagnolo Friction Shifters / Seatposts / Brake 
Levers / Rims / Hubs as well.

?

Sean




From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly 
reasonable

I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
living wage, etc.

So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
were being exploited or treated badly)

I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
and had suggestions for me.

Thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: Smythe bag thingy

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Yep. I'm slightly crazy to buy it 'cause I rarely carry enough stuff to fill 
it, but the price was right for a really nice piece of Nigel Smythe canvas 
and leather. Maybe it will get me in the habit of shopping by bike. 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Yeah, I wouldn't be too concerned about headtube height on a Hunqapillar. 
It's designed with Grant's newfound interest in steeply sloped-up toptubes. 
The Atlantis has a more traditional design, with a tall headtube.

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper
It's all great discussion.. Call Rivendell for fit and talk about the bike and 
needs with them.  It works very well that way.

Just saying. :)

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the Compass 26 tires

2011-10-05 Thread Aaron Young
Has anyone been able to compare the Compass' against Paselas in the same
size?

-Aaron Y.
Rochester, NY

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Bill Spencer wjspencer8...@gmail.comwrote:

 I bit the bullet and paid the big bucks for these.Worth every penny.

 Bill

 On Oct 4, 1:25 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have a small (52) Atlantis and was wondering if anyone has pulled
  the trigger on these and had thoughts. I have Schwalbe Marathons which
  are bombproof but...
 
  john

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
That's good advice, Kelly, but if Peter is anything like me, he'd rather get 
some outside impressions on a forum before getting into a direct phone 
call. There's a certain pressure that comes with taking that next step 
which some of us find a little intimidating. Or maybe it's just me..

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[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread franklyn
In many ways, workers in Taiwan have better conditions than those in
the U.S., Taiwan has one of the best universal healthcare system in
the world (according to NYTimes columnist and Nobel laureate Paul
Krugman), and public transportation systems that are pretty unmatched
(extensive and inexpensive subway systems in two cities and high-speed
rail system that run up and down the island). I don't think you need
to feel bad if parts are made in Taiwan, they probably live better
than we do here.

Franklyn

On Oct 5, 1:56 pm, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 All of the Campagnolo stuff I have says Made in Italy.

 They make cassettes, headsets, cranksets, etc.

 You an buy  used or vintage Campagnolo Friction Shifters / Seatposts / Brake 
 Levers / Rims / Hubs as well.

 ?

 Sean

 
 From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:41 PM
 Subject: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly 
 reasonable

 I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
 what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
 conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
 living wage, etc.

 So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
 Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
 and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
 precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
 business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
 were being exploited or treated badly)

 I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

 Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

 But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

 How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

 How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

 Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

 I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
 and had suggestions for me.

 Thanks,
 -sv

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[RBW] OT: brake cable adjusters

2011-10-05 Thread jandrews_nyc
I'm adding adjustable brake cable hangers to my Simpleone even though
the BG cantis work excellently.
I just would like to adjust.
The problem is...I don't really know what brake cable adjusters
actually adjust.
Please Advise!
thanks
Jason

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper
My statement was based on experience with Rivendell.  From suggestions on build 
to fit to final product.  There has never been pressure to buy or make a 
decision today.

I trust Rivendell more so than forum.  Not to mention this as other forums is 
all over the map on every subject from tire width to weight which will give 
more confusion than clarity.  

So if you want the right bike, and right fit, call Rivendell... Easy .. 
Straight forward and best bet in the long run.  At least it's worked for many 
people I've talked to , my wife and I.

FYI above is not meant ad insult to anyone.  








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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper
My statement was based on experience with Rivendell.  From suggestions on build 
to fit to final product.  There has never been pressure to buy or make a 
decision today.

I trust Rivendell more so than forum.  Not to mention this as other forums is 
all over the map on every subject from tire width to weight which will give 
more confusion than clarity.  

So if you want the right bike, and right fit, call Rivendell... Easy .. 
Straight forward and best bet in the long run.  At least it's worked for many 
people I've talked to , my wife and I.

FYI above is not meant ad insult to anyone.  








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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread Joe Bernard
I didn't mean to imply that Rivendell pressures..they most certainly do not. I 
simply meant that talking directly on the phone is a step closer (in my mind) 
to making a decision. But I hate talking on the phone, so that highly 
subjective view may be mine alone.

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Re: [RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread cyclotourist
ActionTec http://www.actiontec.us/ticog.htmcassettes, made right here in
Californey.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:16 PM, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote:

 In many ways, workers in Taiwan have better conditions than those in
 the U.S., Taiwan has one of the best universal healthcare system in
 the world (according to NYTimes columnist and Nobel laureate Paul
 Krugman), and public transportation systems that are pretty unmatched
 (extensive and inexpensive subway systems in two cities and high-speed
 rail system that run up and down the island). I don't think you need
 to feel bad if parts are made in Taiwan, they probably live better
 than we do here.

 Franklyn

 On Oct 5, 1:56 pm, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:
  All of the Campagnolo stuff I have says Made in Italy.
 
  They make cassettes, headsets, cranksets, etc.
 
  You an buy  used or vintage Campagnolo Friction Shifters / Seatposts /
 Brake Levers / Rims / Hubs as well.
 
  ?
 
  Sean
 
  
  From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:41 PM
  Subject: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly
 reasonable
 
  I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
  what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
  conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
  living wage, etc.
 
  So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
  Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
  and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
  precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
  business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
  were being exploited or treated badly)
 
  I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.
 
  Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.
 
  But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?
 
  How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?
 
  How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and
 sunrace?
 
  Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?
 
  I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
  and had suggestions for me.
 
  Thanks,
  -sv
 
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[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread Michael_S
I know Miche parts are made in Italy. I have their Racing box hubs on two 
bikes. They make needle bearing headsets and other parts too.
 
I'm struggling to think of drop bar bike levers made in somewhere other than 
Taiwan ( which fits the bill according to Franklyn).  
 
DT Swiss rims are made in Switzerland from what I've read. 
 
~mike

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[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread charlie
Get the 54cm Hunk.it has thicker tubing and can fender the largest
tires. You'll have no problem getting the Albatross bar high enough on
that size frame, at your height, with those bars. If you are
traditional minded, want more of a road machine, get the Atlantis
especially if you don't mind running narrower rubber. The Sam is nice
for a road bike at your weight but you need a beefier frame for trail
riding and more rough stuff. Not that the Sam couldn't handle it but
the other two frames have more margin built in with the Hunk being at
the top of the list. I am 255-257 now at 5'11 86.4 cm PBH 76cm SH ( I
would fit a 58cm Atlantis) and while the Atlantis is rated to 275
pounds more or less that doesn't give you as much room for a load.
Never seen a load limit on the Hunk but with decent wheels I expect it
to be high maybe 300+. Ya gotta think about those things. I do mostly
pavement riding and I am really careful but I would need a Hunk for
loaded touring, trail riding and versatility. Just sayin..

On Oct 4, 1:07 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 So finally have the funds and approval from the wife to go ahead and
 buy a new riv frameset only really cannot decide which one. I was
 leaning towards the Hillborne but now looking at the Atlantis I really
 like the finish and the fact I could go to huge tires if I wanted to
 one day. I currently live in NYC but am moving back upstate soon so
 need something I can take on gravel roads and not wipe out. IThe
 question is, is the Atlantis overkill? I know it is twice the price
 but that is not really a concern (well it is but I am willing to spend
 the extra if it means having the best bike out there).  I was also
 looking at the Hunqapillar but it seems to be more of MTB with a short
 headtube and I really want to get the bars nice and high for my
 Albatross bars. Also can someone who owns a 58cm Atlantis let me know
 how it fits? I am 5'11 with a PBH of 85.5, most definitely not a
 racer at 250lbs. The geometry at Riv is currently down so not sure how
 the 58 would fit but would really like to stick with 700c wheels since
 I already have an MB-2 with 26ers. Thanks for any words of wisdom out
 there on the group.

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Roads of Washtenaw County (Michigan) Ride Report and Photos

2011-10-05 Thread dpco
Thank you for posting your ride. We have some wonderful roads in California, 
but I have never experienced roads like yours. And you must have a great 
relationship with father to be able to share these times with him.
Don

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Re: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread robert zeidler
Just buy old Campy.  No questions there!

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
 what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
 conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
 living wage, etc.

 So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
 Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
 and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
 precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
 business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
 were being exploited or treated badly)

 I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

 Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

 But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

 How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

 How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

 Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

 I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
 and had suggestions for me.

 Thanks,
 -sv

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[RBW] WT: 56-57cm RB-1/2 and/ or nitto platrack

2011-10-05 Thread David Soderberg
Hey,

I'm looking for a Bridgestone RB-1 or RB-2 or any similar road bike with
braze-ons for fenders
56-57 cm. I have a PBH of 83cm
Interested in the $300-500 range.

As well, If anyone is looking to sell their Nitto Platrack, I'm also
interested.
I live in Berkeley, CA

Thank you,

David

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Re: [RBW] So Torn, Cannot Decide

2011-10-05 Thread robert zeidler
Being fortunate enough to have one or more of each.get the
Atlantis.  After a while it will be the riding equivalent of your
favorite pair of jeans.  Love may be too strong a word, but only just.

RGZ

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 So finally have the funds and approval from the wife to go ahead and
 buy a new riv frameset only really cannot decide which one. I was
 leaning towards the Hillborne but now looking at the Atlantis I really
 like the finish and the fact I could go to huge tires if I wanted to
 one day. I currently live in NYC but am moving back upstate soon so
 need something I can take on gravel roads and not wipe out. IThe
 question is, is the Atlantis overkill? I know it is twice the price
 but that is not really a concern (well it is but I am willing to spend
 the extra if it means having the best bike out there).  I was also
 looking at the Hunqapillar but it seems to be more of MTB with a short
 headtube and I really want to get the bars nice and high for my
 Albatross bars. Also can someone who owns a 58cm Atlantis let me know
 how it fits? I am 5'11 with a PBH of 85.5, most definitely not a
 racer at 250lbs. The geometry at Riv is currently down so not sure how
 the 58 would fit but would really like to stick with 700c wheels since
 I already have an MB-2 with 26ers. Thanks for any words of wisdom out
 there on the group.

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[RBW] For Sale; Carradice Super C Panniers Front Rear

2011-10-05 Thread Marc Schwartz
I have for sale to the Riv Owners Group a complete set of cotton canvas 
Carradice Super C series front and rear panniers. Used for one 5 day tour and 
some commuting and shopping, in fine undamaged condition except missing one 
plastic toggle-lock rack clip on one of the large rear bags. A little 
improvisation (such as an irish strap or leather strap) allows for 
better-than-original mounting to your rack, or most Carradice dealers should be 
able to supply a replacement. A set of all four bags would cost $445 brand new, 
I am asking $250 for the set, shipping included. 

Below are links to the panniers at Wallingford Bikeas in New Orleans. I will 
send .jpg's of my bags on request. Pk
Please reply to mschw...@nmsu.edu if interested.

Thanks,
Marc 

http://www.wallbike.com/carradice/panniers/carradice-super-c-rear-pannier

http://www.wallbike.com/carradice/panniers/carradice-super-c-front-pannier

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[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread dpco
How about Nitto? They manufacture their products in Japan. There's a Youtube 
on Nitto.
Don C,

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[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

2011-10-05 Thread rcnute
http://www.korea-dpr.com/business.htm

Personnel are highly motivated!

Ryan

On Oct 5, 1:41 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
 what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
 conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
 living wage, etc.

 So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
 Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
 and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
 precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
 business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
 were being exploited or treated badly)

 I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

 Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

 But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

 How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

 How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

 Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

 I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
 and had suggestions for me.

 Thanks,
 -sv

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