Re: [RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[cyclotourist]

Just watch out for those C-beams glittering in the dark!

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Leslie  wrote:

> It just occurred to me what this was reminding me of!!!
>
> Remember when Deckard was looking through Leon's photographs, and was
> having the computer pan around and refocus on different parts of the
> picture??
>
> I'm just flummoxed that I'd missed this camera's existence!
>
>
> -L
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Peter Morgano]

Lyto seems cool,  ipad3 not so much.  Don't get me wrong my 5 year old
loves her ipad2 but it is little more than a toy and seems like just a
thing to have because it is out there.  A small laptop still gives me much
more utility for the same cost and I can upgrade it without facing the
apple regime.  Might pick up the Lyto camera for my wife,  she loves
photography. Cool pics.
On Mar 10, 2012 11:48 PM, "Eric Norris"  wrote:

> It may not have the resolution of a standard camera, but it's worth the $$
> to me just to have the technology. This is unlike any camera that has even
> been available to the public since ... well, since the advent of
> photography. I find that irresistible (and, by the way, I'll be at the
> local Apple Store next Friday to pick up the "new" iPad (3)
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Philip Williamson
> >  wrote:
> >> I've gone back and forth on the value of the Lytro, so I'm interested
> >> to see more pics. I really want it to be more than a novelty, but I
> >> haven't seen that yet. I think we're going to see software upgrades
> >> for existing cameras that give 90% of the refocusability at 10x the
> >> resolution.
> >>
> >
> > I think you've got it right. The lytro is more or less an
> > infinite-focus polaroid given the size and depth of picture you end up
> > with.
> >
> > -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Eric Norris]

It may not have the resolution of a standard camera, but it's worth the $$ to 
me just to have the technology. This is unlike any camera that has even been 
available to the public since ... well, since the advent of photography. I find 
that irresistible (and, by the way, I'll be at the local Apple Store next 
Friday to pick up the "new" iPad (3)

--Eric N

On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Philip Williamson
>  wrote:
>> I've gone back and forth on the value of the Lytro, so I'm interested
>> to see more pics. I really want it to be more than a novelty, but I
>> haven't seen that yet. I think we're going to see software upgrades
>> for existing cameras that give 90% of the refocusability at 10x the
>> resolution.
>> 
> 
> I think you've got it right. The lytro is more or less an
> infinite-focus polaroid given the size and depth of picture you end up
> with.
> 
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Seth Vidal]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> I've gone back and forth on the value of the Lytro, so I'm interested
> to see more pics. I really want it to be more than a novelty, but I
> haven't seen that yet. I think we're going to see software upgrades
> for existing cameras that give 90% of the refocusability at 10x the
> resolution.
>

I think you've got it right. The lytro is more or less an
infinite-focus polaroid given the size and depth of picture you end up
with.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Joe Bunik]

On 3/10/12, David Yu Greenblatt  wrote:
> It would be neat to see photos of interesting bike shops and framebuilder
> workshops with this camera system -- click to focus and zoom in.

+1, for Kraynick's Bikes in PGH PA!
=- Joe Bunik
now of
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Philip Williamson]

I've gone back and forth on the value of the Lytro, so I'm interested
to see more pics. I really want it to be more than a novelty, but I
haven't seen that yet. I think we're going to see software upgrades
for existing cameras that give 90% of the refocusability at 10x the
resolution.

 Philip


On Mar 10, 8:46 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Playing around with my new Lytro camera, and took this photo of Patrick's 
> former Motobecane:
>
> https://pictures.lytro.com/campyonlyguy/pictures/31110
>
> Enjoy. More photos to come.
>
> --Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne sighting in Clarendon (No. VA.)- whose?

[Joan Oppel]

Minh - will do!  Keep an eye out for my Bleriot on Clarendon or Wilson Blvds.  Joan   On 03/09/12, Minh wrote: No my orange one, but makes me want to ride it into clarendon tomorrow :) I usually ride my bike to Clarendon every weekend, either my Hillborne or my Quickbeam, say hi you see me!On Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:19:06 PM UTC-5, Joan wrote: Uncommon sighting - I don't know why but there aren't that many of us riding around Northern Virginia on Rivendells, though more than I thought showed up a few weeks ago in response to the 'survey' question.  This was an orange Hillborne parked outside the new Trader Joe's, using 2 (!) ulocks to hold it to the bike rack.  Albatross with cork handles, 700c wheels, mini front rack with basket, Nitto rear rack, Brooks.  I too (frequently) use 2 locks on the Bleriot, ulock and cable.  It was very windy today - 35 mph gusts, so I had a sllloooww shopping trip.Joan-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cyZwArpTHBgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



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[RBW] Black Rose Bags Saddle Roll

[Bruce Herbitter]

The saddle roll I ordered on Etsy came today and is hanging from the back a
Brooks B17 as we speak. (Well, as I type, anyway) Some 1st impressions.

High quality materials. heavy waxed canvas main body, lighter sides. Thick
good quality leather straps. Way too many heavy brass rivets.  Good sewing.
Good quality buckles. Nice blinky strap. Very reasonable price for the
materials, workmanship and appearance.

The straps are almost too thick to get through the Brooks saddle loops.
They are too thick to use on other saddles with smaller loops.

The bag opens to impressive size, but the straps are too short to make use
of that added space. There are all sorts of strap holes you can't get to or
use on the back side of the bag You can't easily change straps to a longer
length because of the aforementioned rivets.

There is a transverse strap intended to go around the seat rails in case
there are no bag loops. It should be used even if you have seat loops or
the buckle will clatter. Unfortunately it is not long enough to reach
around a pair of Brooks B17 seat rails. I have mine tied off to just one
rail to prevent buckle clinking.

It hangs well and back far enough that banging into the rider's legs is not
an issue.

We'll see how it does after a couple of rides..

I appreciate the lead on the outfit, who I had not heard of before seeing a
post here on the panniers thread.

Tailwinds

Bruce


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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with Identification

[Bruce Herbitter]

well, I can tell you whose brand the Saddlesack is.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Appears to be a custom. I don't recognize the headbadge.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:58:30 AM UTC-6, Andy Williams wrote:
>>
>> Saw this in Philadelphia, and wonder if anyone recognizes the brand?
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**awilliams53/6968566771/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**awilliams53/6968566935/
>>
>> Andy
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[RBW] Re: Wide, fat, heavy and slow on the hills!

[charlie]

Hmmm, It's all kind of relative to ones weight and the load carried.
I'm riding the 700x47 Schwalbes now at around 60 psi probably only 50
psi today and I currently weigh 257. When I get to hills I gear
downflats find me in the 44x18 or 44x16.not sure what that is
right now. Not sure of my speed either. I took my speedo off a couple
years ago. I do use a wrist watch and I seem to get where I want to in
about the same amount of time. In the spring and summer I run 700x40
Supremes and they feel a little faster on the hills. I find I can use
a cog higher gear with them. My Simple One sports lighter rims and T-
Serve 700x35's and its definitely easier to pedal up hills until I run
out of "gearing" (51" and 66") I sure do feel (my) added weight when I
approach hills but I don't worry about wheel weight that much. I end
up  breaking lightweight rims and popping skinny tires plus my bike
takes a beating if I ride them too much. For me there is a certain
confidence that I get when using parts that are a little overbuilt. Go
wide with pride !
Oh yea ! I always wanted a bike with disc brakes living in rainy
Washington State but I haven't thought of the drawbacks now that you
mention bent discs.

On Mar 10, 2:48 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I just pushed the Fargo 19 rolling-hilly miles around Rio Rancho, NM
> with the SnoCat/Big Apple wheelset at about 30/35 -- much higher and
> the bumps start feeling as if I'm riding 23s at 120 (that is a slight
> exaggeration, but seriously, I've found that the fatter the tire, the
> harsher the ride if you overinflate); this after having let the
> heavyweight wheelset sit for weeks while I rode the  Rhyno Lites with
> the new 330 gram, 35 mm Kojaks. I must say that the combination of 800
> gram rims with 800 gram tires (both rim and tire are the "Lite"
> versions) and 200 gram tubes makes a, ahem, difference -- a 3 1/2 lb
> difference between the two wheelsets, I estimate. This wheelset is
> wonderful on sandy terrain and it rolls very well on the flats, both
> on pavement and on choppy but firmish dirt, but as soon as you
> encounter an incline, man do you feel that weight! I emphasize: the
> Big Apples roll very, very will for such a wide carcass with a
> protective belt -- I push along on the flats on firm surfaces in a
> 46/20 for a 67" cruising gear, compared to 70 to 75 for a road bike
> with nice tires. But again, tilt upward, and wham, gravity intervenes.
> (Btw, Newton posited "gravity" as a placeholder for his theory; a mere
> name to signify that one body moved toward another in proportion to
> their respective masses; but he said quite explicitly that he had no
> idea what cause, if anything, was behind this word and, further, he
> says explicitly in the Principia that "action at a distance" -- ie,
> physical action without actual contact of bodies -- was, quite
> literally, unthinkable.) Whatever "gravity" may or may not be, those
> BA and SnoCats sure feel like cold molasses on uphills.
>
> Long windup. Those of you who ride 60 mm Big Apples or similar tires:
> how do you find them on hills? What pressures do you use on pavement,
> and what is your weight? -- of course, that decides how firm the tire
> has to be. Would I be better off with lighter and narrower rims (wish
> I hadn't sold those Salsa P35s!) at the expense of less sidewall
> support?
>
> The new 42 Noodles felt noticeably more "natural" than the 46s they
> replaced. More generally, the Fargo is set up very nicely: it feels
> very "natural" even though the bar is some 4 to 5 cm higher than on
> the benchmark Rivs. On pavement I spend most of my time in the hooks,
> for with the bars this high, even the hoods seem rather "tippy" unless
> I bend my elbows, a natural inclination.
>
> The BB7s are powerful but lack the nice, smooth and easily modulated
> control that good cantis have -- by good cantis I mean either old
> Shimano wide profiles or those IRCs that Riv sells. And you have to
> keep bending the g-d disks back into plane, at least if, as I do, you
> very frequently carry the wheels off-bike in the back of your car. I'd
> prefer a bit more weight and thickness for disks that didn't bend out
> of plane so easily. OTOH, with riding in sandy soil and swapping
> between 44 and 27 mm wide rims, the disk system makes up for its
> defects, at least for my taste.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
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> Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 15:08 -0800, Leslie wrote:
> It just occurred to me what this was reminding me of!!!
> 
> Remember when Deckard was looking through Leon's photographs, and was
> having the computer pan around and refocus on different parts of the
> picture??   
> 
> I'm just flummoxed that I'd missed this camera's existence!

DP Review looked at it last month:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro/



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[RBW] Re: Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Leslie]

It just occurred to me what this was reminding me of!!!

Remember when Deckard was looking through Leon's photographs, and was 
having the computer pan around and refocus on different parts of the 
picture??   

I'm just flummoxed that I'd missed this camera's existence!


-L

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Re: [RBW] Latest Riv-ish Lytro Pictures

[Leslie]

I'd totally missed this Lytro camera-thing... that's cool!   Refocusing 
pictures after-the-fact!   Interesting!!!



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[RBW] Wide, fat, heavy and slow on the hills!

[PATRICK MOORE]

I just pushed the Fargo 19 rolling-hilly miles around Rio Rancho, NM
with the SnoCat/Big Apple wheelset at about 30/35 -- much higher and
the bumps start feeling as if I'm riding 23s at 120 (that is a slight
exaggeration, but seriously, I've found that the fatter the tire, the
harsher the ride if you overinflate); this after having let the
heavyweight wheelset sit for weeks while I rode the  Rhyno Lites with
the new 330 gram, 35 mm Kojaks. I must say that the combination of 800
gram rims with 800 gram tires (both rim and tire are the "Lite"
versions) and 200 gram tubes makes a, ahem, difference -- a 3 1/2 lb
difference between the two wheelsets, I estimate. This wheelset is
wonderful on sandy terrain and it rolls very well on the flats, both
on pavement and on choppy but firmish dirt, but as soon as you
encounter an incline, man do you feel that weight! I emphasize: the
Big Apples roll very, very will for such a wide carcass with a
protective belt -- I push along on the flats on firm surfaces in a
46/20 for a 67" cruising gear, compared to 70 to 75 for a road bike
with nice tires. But again, tilt upward, and wham, gravity intervenes.
(Btw, Newton posited "gravity" as a placeholder for his theory; a mere
name to signify that one body moved toward another in proportion to
their respective masses; but he said quite explicitly that he had no
idea what cause, if anything, was behind this word and, further, he
says explicitly in the Principia that "action at a distance" -- ie,
physical action without actual contact of bodies -- was, quite
literally, unthinkable.) Whatever "gravity" may or may not be, those
BA and SnoCats sure feel like cold molasses on uphills.

Long windup. Those of you who ride 60 mm Big Apples or similar tires:
how do you find them on hills? What pressures do you use on pavement,
and what is your weight? -- of course, that decides how firm the tire
has to be. Would I be better off with lighter and narrower rims (wish
I hadn't sold those Salsa P35s!) at the expense of less sidewall
support?

The new 42 Noodles felt noticeably more "natural" than the 46s they
replaced. More generally, the Fargo is set up very nicely: it feels
very "natural" even though the bar is some 4 to 5 cm higher than on
the benchmark Rivs. On pavement I spend most of my time in the hooks,
for with the bars this high, even the hoods seem rather "tippy" unless
I bend my elbows, a natural inclination.

The BB7s are powerful but lack the nice, smooth and easily modulated
control that good cantis have -- by good cantis I mean either old
Shimano wide profiles or those IRCs that Riv sells. And you have to
keep bending the g-d disks back into plane, at least if, as I do, you
very frequently carry the wheels off-bike in the back of your car. I'd
prefer a bit more weight and thickness for disks that didn't bend out
of plane so easily. OTOH, with riding in sandy soil and swapping
between 44 and 27 mm wide rims, the disk system makes up for its
defects, at least for my taste.

-- 
Patrick Moore
Albuquerque, NM
For professional resumes, contact
Patrick Moore, ACRW
http://resumespecialties.com/index.html

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Re: [RBW] Latest Riv-ish Lytro Pictures

[PATRICK MOORE]

Eric: on the first photo you posted, of the Motobecane, I like how the
wire guard for the tail light seems to continue the line of the fender
struts -- is that deliberate?

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Got a picture of my Quickbeam and a few other shots worth sharing today:
>
> https://pictures.lytro.com/campyonlyguy/stories/6072
>
> --Eric
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[RBW] Latest Riv-ish Lytro Pictures

[Eric Norris]

Got a picture of my Quickbeam and a few other shots worth sharing today:

https://pictures.lytro.com/campyonlyguy/stories/6072

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[RBW] Re: An oft-owned Bombadil seems to be for sale again

[Joe Bernard]

Is this the prototype 52 as seen on Cyclofiend's Riv page?

On Friday, March 9, 2012 7:49:55 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote:

> Yes i noticed too, was wondering why he was using Williwoods pictures, but 
> he's selling a lot of bikes (like 8 at the same time), if its not legit 
> he's really going all out for it, and the non-rivendell bikes look more 
> unique, so maybe he just like will's pictures...
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2012 7:49:20 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>>
>> My understanding of the history is that jinxed owned it, and williwoods 
>> owned it.  Last year williwoods had to fight and scratch to sell it, and 
>> maybe he did finally succeed.  Here's that old thread:
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/bombadil$20for$20sale/rbw-owners-bunch/cyWi-nqvSe0/wm3I2elhgM4J
>>  
>>
>> Now that identical frame and fork appears to be for sale on ebay
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/190648713986?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_559wt_1344
>>  
>>
>> using the identical photos.  Low starting price $900, but the seller 
>> claims it's 2003 model, which I don't think is possible.  I don't know if 
>> it's even on the up and up, but even if it is, that Bomba has had lots of 
>> owners by now.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Sean Whelan]

The only problem I have found with the UT cranks are that the bearings are not 
actually sealed. Seized drive-side bearings are fairly common, if you ride in 
all weather, as many of us do. I had to replace the bearings with less than 
5000 miles on them.

cheers,
Sean

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:

> From: Bill M. 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 3:46 PM
> There had to be an explanation. 
> I hadn't paid any attention to PT
> since it came out after I bought my UT cranks.  This
> looks as fun as
> extracting cotter pins from steel cranks.
> 
> I'm not big on fixing aluminum crankarms to splines, this
> reinforces
> that bias.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, Sean Whelan 
> wrote:
> > I thought the same as you... but... it is not an
> Ultra-Torque.
> > It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the
> photo makes it seem.
> >
> > Search this list for discussion.
> >
> > I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sean
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Re: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Joe Bernard]

That is several levels of stupid. The Campy Only crowd must be choking.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:16:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> http://bikehugger.com/post/view/campagnolo-power-torque-cranks
>
> On Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:00:53 PM UTC-6, Sean Whelan wrote:
>>
>> I thought the same as you... but... it is not an Ultra-Torque.
>> It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the photo makes it seem.
>>
>> Search this list for discussion.
>>
>> I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sean
>>
>> --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:
>>
>> > From: Bill M. 
>> > Subject: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are 
>> doing?
>> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
>> > Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 11:45 AM
>> > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque
>> > 
>> > A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't
>> > keep
>> > current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng
>> > with a
>> > modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the
>> > crank with a
>> > puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the
>> > 'servicability' of old
>> > Campy parts.
>> > 
>> > The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the
>> > photo.  It
>> > has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side
>> > cup.  It's as
>> > easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly
>> > be.  There's
>> > no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible
>> > use for
>> > one.
>> > 
>> > The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from
>> > Park Tool:
>> > 
>> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
>> > Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove
>> > the
>> > retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out.
>> > 
>> > Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle
>> > bolt?
>> > That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the
>> > puller
>> > probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the
>> > bolt instead.
>> > The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is
>> > treating
>> > that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge
>> > BB.  No good
>> > will come of that.
>> > 
>> > I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank.
>> > 
>> > Bill
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Bill M.]

There had to be an explanation.  I hadn't paid any attention to PT
since it came out after I bought my UT cranks.  This looks as fun as
extracting cotter pins from steel cranks.

I'm not big on fixing aluminum crankarms to splines, this reinforces
that bias.

Bill

On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> I thought the same as you... but... it is not an Ultra-Torque.
> It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the photo makes it seem.
>
> Search this list for discussion.
>
> I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean

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Re: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

http://bikehugger.com/post/view/campagnolo-power-torque-cranks

On Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:00:53 PM UTC-6, Sean Whelan wrote:
>
> I thought the same as you... but... it is not an Ultra-Torque.
> It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the photo makes it seem.
>
> Search this list for discussion.
>
> I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:
>
> > From: Bill M. 
> > Subject: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are 
> doing?
> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 11:45 AM
> > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque
> > 
> > A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't
> > keep
> > current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng
> > with a
> > modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the
> > crank with a
> > puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the
> > 'servicability' of old
> > Campy parts.
> > 
> > The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the
> > photo.  It
> > has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side
> > cup.  It's as
> > easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly
> > be.  There's
> > no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible
> > use for
> > one.
> > 
> > The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from
> > Park Tool:
> > 
> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
> > Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove
> > the
> > retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out.
> > 
> > Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle
> > bolt?
> > That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the
> > puller
> > probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the
> > bolt instead.
> > The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is
> > treating
> > that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge
> > BB.  No good
> > will come of that.
> > 
> > I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Sean Whelan]

I thought the same as you... but... it is not an Ultra-Torque.
It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the photo makes it seem.

Search this list for discussion.

I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:

> From: Bill M. 
> Subject: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 11:45 AM
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque
> 
> A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't
> keep
> current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng
> with a
> modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the
> crank with a
> puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the
> 'servicability' of old
> Campy parts.
> 
> The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the
> photo.  It
> has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side
> cup.  It's as
> easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly
> be.  There's
> no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible
> use for
> one.
> 
> The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from
> Park Tool:
> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
> Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove
> the
> retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out.
> 
> Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle
> bolt?
> That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the
> puller
> probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the
> bolt instead.
> The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is
> treating
> that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge
> BB.  No good
> will come of that.
> 
> I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank.
> 
> Bill
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Re: [RBW] Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Eric,

Wow, really cool!
You must be having fun with this camera.
It would be neat to see photos of interesting bike shops and framebuilder
workshops with this camera system -- click to focus and zoom in. Like all
of the nifty stuff in JP Weigle's workshop:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/6836344977/in/photostream
Take some photos at RBW HQ!
I imagine this technology is going to get better and better, with more
depth(s) of focus and ability to zoom in -- in the near future I bet you
will be able to go somewhere, snap a few panoramic shots, and when you get
home, click and zoom/focus to explore all the details, kind of like
human-scale Google Earth.
Have a camera mounted on your helmet, and set it to snap a photo every 10
minutes or on voice command, and when you get home relive portions of the
bike ride and share photos with friends.

- David G, Madison WI



On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Playing around with my new Lytro camera, and took this photo of Patrick's
> former Motobecane:
>
> https://pictures.lytro.com/campyonlyguy/pictures/31110
>
> Enjoy. More photos to come.
>
>  --Eric
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> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron touring frameset-57cm

[mikel66...@juno.com]

i took off the headset so not sure about standover. i could install the lower 
race and cup for those highly interested
mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

The New "Skinny" Fruit
How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny.
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[RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Michael Hechmer]

I don't know how you can be so certain of the crank ID.  One thing in the 
blog I can attest to, 1980s vintage Campy parts were a snap to service, wy 
easier than anything on the market today.  But they did demand regular 
attention.

Michael

On Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:45:17 AM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote:
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque 
>
> A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't keep 
> current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng with a 
> modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the crank with a 
> puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the 'servicability' of old 
> Campy parts. 
>
> The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the photo.  It 
> has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side cup.  It's as 
> easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly be.  There's 
> no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible use for 
> one. 
>
> The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from Park Tool: 
>
> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
>  
> Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove the 
> retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out. 
>
> Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle bolt? 
> That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the puller 
> probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the bolt instead. 
> The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is treating 
> that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge BB.  No good 
> will come of that. 
>
> I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank. 
>
> Bill

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[RBW] Re: Heron touring frameset-57cm

[jeffrey kane]

Seen that baby before! What's the stand over with that set up?

On Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:21:56 AM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:
>
> Heron fully lugged frame/fork/headset. fits 700x38c tires/fenders, 3 
> bottle mounts. ive toured the C & O Towpath and The Katy Trail, both 
> crushed limestone/dirt, on this frame with great results. made in the USA 
> by Waterford. Original paint was Bailey Falls Blue but foolishly opted for 
> something brighter. definately not professionally resprayed but rather 
> 'quick and dirty'...but it held up remarkably well. $550 shipped
>
> mike goldman
>
> warwick,r.i.
>
>
> 
> *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33*
> The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
> 
> consumerproducts.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Finally a little time to write up some NAHBS reflections with photos

[Addison Wilhite]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.  So glad the show came back out west so I
could see it.  Mulling whether I can manage a trip to Denver for nest year.

Best,
Addison

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Manuel Acosta
wrote:

> Great post Addison! It's hard to step back and not be distracted by
> all the shiny parts and gleaming bikes but you're right. Despite
> Rivendell not having a booth their presence is very clear in the
> designs and ideals of the builders there.
>
> On Mar 7, 8:02 pm, Addison Wilhite  wrote:
> > http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2012/03/reflections-on-north-america...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
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[RBW] Re: FS - Bullmoose setup, Shifters and others

[Chris]

All sold.  Thanks everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Patrick,

The Carradice Super C hooks are super nice.  They start wide and then
you engage the hook until it locks into the rack. It handles many
widths of racks including my wider Old Man Mountain? rack and skinnier
blackburn rack.  The Ortlieb comes with different adapters that allow
you to use it with different racks, so it's not as useful in that
regard because you would have to change out the adapters to use with
different racks (I don't know the maximum width).

Best,
Toshi


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Thanks, Toshi. If I remember the Carradice system from the --- senile mental
> fart: forget the -- aha! Kendalls! -- If I remember those properly the C
> system was a bit less bulky than Ortlieb's; I had to grind the outer hook
> covers down on my Packers and smaller front packers to clear the fatter 1.35
> Kojak when fitting them to the very minimalist Chauncey Matthews rear rack.
>
> I must check the Carradices if and when I next buy some. Meanwhile the
> Ortliebs are very, very nice.
>

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[RBW] Lytro Camera Meets Riv-ish Bike

[Eric Norris]

Playing around with my new Lytro camera, and took this photo of Patrick's 
former Motobecane:

https://pictures.lytro.com/campyonlyguy/pictures/31110

Enjoy. More photos to come.

--Eric
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www.wheelsnorth.org

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[RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Bill M.]

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque

A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't keep
current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng with a
modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the crank with a
puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the 'servicability' of old
Campy parts.

The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the photo.  It
has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side cup.  It's as
easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly be.  There's
no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible use for
one.

The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from Park Tool:
http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove the
retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out.

Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle bolt?
That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the puller
probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the bolt instead.
The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is treating
that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge BB.  No good
will come of that.

I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank.

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Heron touring frameset-57cm

[James Warren]

I think the color looks good, and I'll point out as a former Heron Touring 
owner, those are great bikes.


On Mar 10, 2012, at 4:21 AM, mikel66...@juno.com wrote:

> Heron fully lugged frame/fork/headset. fits 700x38c tires/fenders, 3 bottle 
> mounts. ive toured the C & O Towpath and The Katy Trail, both crushed 
> limestone/dirt, on this frame with great results. made in the USA by 
> Waterford. Original paint was Bailey Falls Blue but foolishly opted for 
> something brighter. definately not professionally resprayed but rather 'quick 
> and dirty'...but it held up remarkably well. $550 shipped
> 
> mike goldman
> 
> warwick,r.i.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
> The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
> consumerproducts.com
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[RBW] Re: Help with Identification

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Appears to be a custom. I don't recognize the headbadge.

On Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:58:30 AM UTC-6, Andy Williams wrote:
>
> Saw this in Philadelphia, and wonder if anyone recognizes the brand? 
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/6968566771/ 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/6968566935/ 
>
> Andy

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne sighting in Clarendon (No. VA.)- whose?

[Scotty]

I still have yet to have a sighting of the elusive Rivendell down here in 
the Tampa area. In fact, the only Rivendell I have ever seen in person is 
the one I own. 

>  
>
>

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[RBW] Downhill video

[Aaron Young]

This remind me of this clip of Sam Hill (Riv content: similar name to Sam
Hillborne?) that I recently came across which to me is even more impressive
(and insane):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwOvyw3lnik

Aaron Y.
Rochester, NY



On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM, newenglandbike wrote:

> This must be part of the standard EN testing (mentioned on the current
> BLUG 
> post)
> that all the Riv models go through.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bar Tape

[David Yu Greenblatt]

I'm thinking of trying leather bar tape and found this thread. Any opinions
on Berthoud vs. Handlebra?
http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/handlebars-stems-seatposts/berthoud-leatherline-bar-tape
http://handlebra.com/

Thanks,

David G, Madison, WI

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:56 AM, René Sterental wrote:

> Long ago, when I had my dark green Bombadil, I used Newbaum's green tape
> (sold by Riv) and amber shellac that I prepared myself. The color was
> gorgeous and it would have been a great match for the green Sackville bags.
> You can see a close-up here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/4530205372/in/set-72157622958472288
>
> Right now I've switched to Bullmoose bars on almost all my bikes and love
> the ergonomic PDW leather grips. However, for the last year+ I've been
> using honey Brooks leather tape and love it. Also tried the natural Berhoud
> tape and love how it looks. On my old pre-Riv days, the bar tape I
> preferred the most was the Fizik; in fact, when I got my AHH I first used
> Fizik tape on it. Photo here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/3978138456/in/set-72157622508702300
>
> René
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Smitty-A-Go-Go <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love that for relatively cheaply ($10-$35) I can change out bar tape
>> and not only change the look of my bikes I can change the feel too. I've
>> tried the Newbaums and Soma tapes from Riv.  I've got a couple rolls of
>> their Japanese tape sitting on my parts shelf for future use. I've also
>> tried a rubbery type tape with Bontrager branding. I haven't disliked any
>> of the tapes I've tried, and I've kind of enjoyed their differences.
>>
>> I think the next 2 on my list to pick up are Fizik Microtex and
>> Lizardskins DSP.
>>
>> I would be interested to hear from anyone who's used either of these
>> regarding if/how/why you liked them.
>>
>> Does anyone have a bar tape that they particularly love?
>>
>> In the spirit of elevating my bag-matcher status... has anyone tried to
>> match bar tape to their green Sackville bags? I assume green cloth wrap + a
>> few coats of amber shellac would get reasonably close.
>>
>>
>>

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