date:20130429

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:25 -0700, Michael wrote:
 I like mileage and temperature to be features on my
 cyclometer.
 That way I can see how much temp extremes I can take for
 reference.
 Good to know so you don't psych yourself outta a ride just
 because you heard its gonna be 105 and humid tomorrow for your
 metric century.
 If you have already ridden that hot several times, and you
 know so by past cyclometer readings, then you will be
 confident and not hand wringing the night before.

Or, you could check the weather.com hourly forecast for the area where
you'll be riding before you leave home.



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:08 -0700, john wrote:
 Eric, Steve:
 
 
 Thanks for suggesting the MItty8. I went to Wheel Works, as Steve
 directed, and found it was unavailable at this time.  I'll look into
 the Strada, but have reservations about going wireless. What's the
 difference in battery life (wireless vs. wired)? Also: What's the
 verdict on the Cateye 7 or 8? Thanks.


Battery life with wireless is typically less than with wired, and you
have twice as many batteries.  On the other hand, installation is
simpler.  

The battery life on the (now discontinued) Wireless Micro was
dramatically less than I had grown used to on the (now very long
discontinued) Cateye Cordless II's I used on most of my bikes in the
1990s and 2000s (the last one of which quit early this year, wouldn't
work at under 40 degrees even with brand new batteries) replaced by the
Strada Wireless).

The Strada Wireless is too new for me to have any idea of battery life.

I've never seen them in person, but according to specs the wired Velo 7
and Velo 9 only have 1 trip distance, which doesn't work for me because
I rely on trip distance 2 to keep track of mileage since the last chain
cleaning.  The additional features of the Velo 9, calorie consumption
and carbon offset, are IMHO entirely worthless.



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread shawn

Very nice. Who painted it.

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:30 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:

 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
 together.. Grrr

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

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Re: [RBW] Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Scott Henry

Yes, you are getting older but if you are comfy on your old bike, than I
wouldn't change it.   1.5cm of handlebar drop isn't really too much of a
racing fit anyway, that's less than my riv-ish fit.

Ride whats comfortable and don't get too hung up on matching the look of
other Riv style bikes.   Personally, I'm not comfortable looking like Mary
Poppins.  All of my bikes are set for my comfort and contacts points can
vary greatly depending on the style of bike I'm riding.

Cheers,
Scott


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and
 how you got through it.*

 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and
 appointments, too.

 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?

 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it
 goes.

 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread Scott Henry

That Frost River is nice, I have the old one.  It used to be sold as the
Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.

Cheers,
Scott




On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Doug,

 I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe
 tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is
 an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all
 their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at
 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I
 bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck
 waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA.
 https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

 Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

 Best,

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Hugh:

 If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for
 phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold
 a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or
 support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does
 Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent
 price.

 dougP

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe
 tweed bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no
 longer using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread Kelly

DD did.  Good experience.. 

Kelly

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:32:55 AM UTC-5, shawn wrote:

 Very nice. Who painted it.

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:30 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:

 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way 
 back together.. Grrr

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

 Kelly



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread tdusky

Great looking!


On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:30 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:

 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
 together.. Grrr

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

 Kelly



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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread eflayer

logic might suggest that when your weight is more equally suspended by your 
arms and your butt you might be more comfortable. regardless of what Riv 
suggests, the more upright position puts more weight directly on your butt. 
maybe the other way is better for you. Grant would prefer that you are 
happy.
On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Bruce Baker

Hi John,
I'm suprised I haven't seen mapmyride pop in this discussion.  I have been
using this since 2010 and like it a lot.  It is free and generates a bunch
of statistics on daily, weekly,monthly and annual distance.  It also breaks
down each ride into segments.  The iphone app for this works great.  There
were a few snags early on but most seem to be worked out at this time.
Bruce


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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[RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Gavin

I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my '97
Riv Road. The Road does not have the high brake bridge that later Riv
frames do, so I can't use these deep-reach brakes, unless/until I try 650b.

The prev owner said they had ~1000 miles on them, and that the salmon pads
are newer.

For Sale:
1 pair Silver brakes (very good condition) w/ salmon pads -- $65 shipped

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

Do the Silvers open wide enough to clear a 32 mm tire?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Tim Gavin
tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote:

 I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my
 '97 Riv Road. The Road does not have the high brake bridge that later Riv
 frames do, so I can't use these deep-reach brakes, unless/until I try 650b.

 The prev owner said they had ~1000 miles on them, and that the salmon pads
 are newer.

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Matt Beebe

I'd second the micro-adjustments approach, and maybe try slight changes to 
your seat-angle (if you haven't already), since it's your lower back that 
is hurting. Obviously this is just a WAG, since it could be any number 
of things and how the hell would i know, but I'm just saying that's what I 
would try.Sometimes a smidgen of a degree this way or that can make a 
huge difference. Anyway good luck and hope you find something that 
works.


Matt



On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:02:15 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Scott G.

The Strada wireless (old style analog), did not play nice with the SON hub 
or Berthoud fenders.

There is a new digital 2.4ghz version coming.


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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread Shoji Takahashi

chocolate looks great with creme headtube and bombadil headbadge. Can't 
wait to see the full build.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:01:44 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote:

 Great looking!


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:30 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:

 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way 
 back together.. Grrr

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

 Kelly



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

Sorry, no intention of offending. I have Chinese blood myself, as my mother
is Filipino. The POS refers to the plastic electronic shite, not to the
makers.

Patrick little brown brother [see Howard Taft] Moore

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Helmut Wong helmut.w...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV)


 Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I
 understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and
 there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the
 conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and
 all people -- of Chinese origin.

 Thanks,
 H.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Gavin

totally.
http://store.somafab.com/rivendell-silver-brake-set-frt-amp-rear.html  room
for 35 plus fenders.  the last word in wide-reach sidepulls.


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do the Silvers open wide enough to clear a 32 mm tire?

 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
  wrote:

 I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my
 '97 Riv Road. The Road does not have the high brake bridge that later Riv
 frames do, so I can't use these deep-reach brakes, unless/until I try 650b.

 The prev owner said they had ~1000 miles on them, and that the salmon
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Re: [RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

Them's what I need for the Ram -- the Shimano's don't open wide enough for
more than a 26 or so. But 55-73 mm is too long, alas.

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 totally.
 http://store.somafab.com/rivendell-silver-brake-set-frt-amp-rear.html
 room for 35 plus fenders.  the last word in wide-reach sidepulls.


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 Do the Silvers open wide enough to clear a 32 mm tire?

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 tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com wrote:

 I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my
 '97 Riv Road. The Road does not have the high brake bridge that later Riv
 frames do, so I can't use these deep-reach brakes, unless/until I try 650b.

 The prev owner said they had ~1000 miles on them, and that the salmon
 pads are newer.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Gavin

yeah, I have shimano 105 brakes on my Road.  I have to speak nicely to them
to squeeze my 28's between.


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 Them's what I need for the Ram -- the Shimano's don't open wide enough for
 more than a 26 or so. But 55-73 mm is too long, alas.


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  wrote:

 totally.
 http://store.somafab.com/rivendell-silver-brake-set-frt-amp-rear.html
 room for 35 plus fenders.  the last word in wide-reach sidepulls.


 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 Do the Silvers open wide enough to clear a 32 mm tire?

 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Tim Gavin 
 tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com wrote:

 I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my
 '97 Riv Road. The Road does not have the high brake bridge that later Riv
 frames do, so I can't use these deep-reach brakes, unless/until I try 650b.

 The prev owner said they had ~1000 miles on them, and that the salmon
 pads are newer.

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[RBW] Just Ride!

Late to the party but I finally got through the reserved list for the
digital version at the library and downloaded JR to the Kindle app and read
half of it last night. Very good! Intelligent comments, clearly written,
self confident but not at all pedantic or insistent. I quite agree with
about 2/3 of of the prescriptions and was surprised to learn that G likes
Brooks saddles more for looks and loops than for comfort superior to that
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen S

Yes, Manny had a rice and spam dish going. It seemed to be very popular.

Stephen

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:14:58 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:

 I'll bet it was a great time. Hopefully, it will happen again when my son 
 doesn't have my camping gear.
 Was that Spam in the frying pan?

 Tony

 On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:

 Hello All-
 We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
 Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.

 If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com) 
 to let me know.

 We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one other 
 Riv employee will join us.

 You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to borrow 
 a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.  It's a 
 great opportunity to try out something new!

 The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
 gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.

 Hope you can join us!
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RE: [RBW] Bombadil

Wow, Kelly.  That's a sexy bike.

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Subject: [RBW] Bombadil

Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   Wheel 
built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
together.. Grrr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Matthew J

I quite agree with about 2/3 of of the prescriptions and was surprised to 
learn that G likes Brooks saddles more for looks and loops than for comfort 
superior to that of plastic saddles.
 
Certainly the loops are a great feature.  Plastic saddles, cheap, expensive 
or in between are torture devices for me.  Looking forward to trying the 
new Brooks Cambium when they come out this year.

 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1 pair Silver brakes (repost)

2013-04-29 Thread john

I've got them on my Sam. They work well with 700 35c tires and fenders.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 6:50:35 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Do the Silvers open wide enough to clear a 32 mm tire?

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 I just picked these up from another list member, but they do not fit my 
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RE: [RBW] Cycling computers

I love everything about Cyclemeter except its heavy battery drain - I can't get 
it to last more than 30 miles or so.  I'm a slow rider and all, but sheesh...

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

+1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take care, 
not only of the data for four (4) (IV) bikes, but also to tell your time, 
download your email, tell your temperature, find your directions, get your 
library books, keep your daughter amused, etc etc etc. I hear tell that the 4 
manages GPS more efficiently than the 3G (free with 2 yrs ATT) so i think I'll 
upgrade sometime this year.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, john 
johnco...@comcast.netmailto:johnco...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations. I've 
been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some time now, 
but I believe I'd like to try.

The criteria:

1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or 
anything complicated.
3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I seldom 
know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for $30 or 
so?

Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread René Sterental

Beautiful color. Never thought of it for a bike. Looking forward to see it 
fully assembled. 


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 Wow, Kelly.  That's a sexy bike.
 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:01 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Bombadil
 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
 together.. Grrr
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/
 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

2013-04-29 Thread futch

Great ride and great folks!  Thanks for putting this together.  Also, 
thanks to whoever slipped a couple nice photographs in my handlebar bag!  

-Michael Futch

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:30:47 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

 Thanks for posting the pictures. Looks like a great time. 
  
 --mike

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:51:49 PM UTC-7, Stephen S wrote:

 Here is a set of the pics that I took that I actually liked. =) 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/noryia/sets/72157633358589695/

 It was a great trip. Thanks for putting this together Keven! I'd love to 
 see more of these in the future. 

 Stephen

 On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote: 

 Hello All- 
 We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
 Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.

 If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com) 
 to let me know.

  We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one 
 other Riv employee will join us.

 You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to 
 borrow a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time. 
  It's a great opportunity to try out something new!

 The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
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 Hope you can join us!
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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Fai Mao

I use and like the Cat-Eye Strata with cadence. I have both the wired and 
wireless versions. I find the wired versions to be really reliably but 
sometimes difficult to setup I seem to have a hard time getting the magnets 
close enough for the sensor to read. But once I get that figured out they 
are reliable and work well. The wireless one is really persnickety 

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:13:52 AM UTC-8, john wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations. 
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some 
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria: 

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or 
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I 
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for 
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

2013-04-29 Thread Christopher Miller Rosales

Hey all,

Letting go of a Rivendell Atlantis, 56cm in original blue/green/whatever 
you would like to call it. Beautiful. Designed for 26 tires, and currently 
rolling a nice wheelset. This is an older Atlantis with a bit if beausage, 
but mostly in great condition. No major paint chips, some smudges here and 
there and a few scratches like any good touring frame will have.

I have linked the Flickr page with pictures of the set up. Also on there, 
find pictures of my Long Haul Trucker that's on local Craigslist, would 
give a KILLER deal if you are interested in both 
(http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3766174918.html).

Rear wheel is a Phil Wood laced to beefy Maverick rims, 7 speed Sunrace 
freewheel, front is Suntour XC Pro to matching Maverick rim. Michelin City 
tires with tons of tread left.



Selling Frame/Fork/Headset(ultegra) + wheelset for $1,300.

Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/8690649369/in/photostream/

Price is for local sale (San Francisco Bay Area), will be willing to ship 
if bike doesn't sell in a week or so. Thank you all!

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Need a recommendation for 2-bike storage system

2013-04-29 Thread Kieran J

Hey there,

I'm short on space in my apartment, and I've begun to look at the 
horizontal hanging apparatuses to hang two bikes, one above the other. Like 
this one:

Swagman Hang 
Ithttp://www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/Cycling/BikeStorageRacks/PRD~5012-400/swagman-hang-it-bike-hanger.jsp

The reviews on this particular one are mixed, but mostly positive. Anyone 
else have experience with this style of hanging system, or have better 
results with something else? The space I have to work with is a 5' x 9' 
wall.

Thanks!

Kieran

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread capnjack

I am not a doctor so this is just advice from a guy who sympathizes with 
you regarding back discomfort on a bike ride. 
I am almost 66 and last year I quit riding and later sold my Specialized 
Roubaix Pro with all the top of the line accessories.  
Discovering my body was no longer happy crunched over in a racing 
position most of the time, I searched for a frame that was more relaxed, 
and I wanted a steel bike frame.  I also wanted a Riv, but bought a new 
Soma Fabrications ES because it fit me as close as a custom frame would 
have and for MUCH less money. The Soma gives me a considerably smoother 
ride and is a great confidence builder.  I would not go back. If there were 
only one piece of advice I would give anyone, it would be to get an 
INDEPENDENT professional fit before riding any further.
Yet still, after about 50 or so miles, I would sometimes get a little 
tweak in my lower back.  Like you, I believe it is from the more upright 
positioning of the bars on the new bike.
I read that it is due to the compression of sitting and bouncing for a long 
time. So now I have begun taking water breaks every 5 to 10 miles and 
just stopping for about 60 to 90 seconds.  I also found that my back is 
happier if I try to straighten my body out on the bike by rotating my hips 
forward just a little.  This eases the pressure on my back and makes long 
rides more pleasurable, which is why I ride in the first place. The bike 
feels so much like a part of me now, and that is because I just happen to 
be lucky enough to have found a frame that meets my true body geometry.  
Meanwhile, try adjusting your saddle back (or up, if needed) by just a few 
mm.  As long as you still have a good pedal stroke angle, your lower back 
will open and allow blood to flow which will keep you from getting the 
soreness you speak of.
There are several steel frames that come off the shelf pretty close to most 
riders.  And, it is worth the investment, in my humble opinion, to get a 
professional prescription, and then find a frame that is most suited to 
your body.  Once I figured this out, cycling really became a lot more fun 
for me.  I hope this advice will help you, too.
Keep safe,
Jack Easley
Nashville, TN




On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:02:15 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
 ** 


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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Julian

One possible issue may be that on this list posts of newer or less-frequent 
members seem to be held for a day or two before showing up (or at least 
that's my experience). I've commented a few times on posts but my replies 
tend to hit the list a day or two after the conversation has moved on. 
 Assuming this is not just my imagination, but an actual moderator 
position/decision to filter new posters it makes me (and, perhaps. other 
new and/or infrequent posters) less likely to comment next time  (if so, 
that's not necessarily a critique of moderators, just an observation of one 
possible side-effect of active moderation) .

Regards, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Jay Lonner

I'm also 44, so can relate to the aches and pains of aging. I've wrestled 
with low back pain and hand numbness using Noodle bars on my Rambouillet 
for the past few years. It's been a while since I've ridden a bike with a 
more aggressive geometry, but I don't remember having had those problems 
before. Maybe it's age, maybe it's an overall loss of fitness and 
flexibility since I don't ride as much or as hard as I used to. Hard to say.

I recently changed the setup on my utility/commuting bike from Mustache 
bars to Bosco bars, and it has absolutely revolutionized my riding. All-day 
comfort and wonderful views from the upright stance. I'm not as fast, but 
I'm enjoying riding so much more that I'm racking up a lot more miles. I 
haven't been on the Rambouillet since making this switch, because honestly 
the new setup is just so fun and relaxing. If your riding habits can 
accommodate this type of handlebar, I would encourage it strongly. But if 
you're interested in faster group road rides where drop bars are pretty 
much expected, this might not be a workable approach for you. Still, with 
both a Bleriot and a Sam in your stable, it sure seems like you've got the 
flexibility to experiment along these lines.

The Mustache bars are for sale, by the way, along with a set of Dirtdrop 
bars and a Dirtdrop stem...

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
 ** 


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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

2013-04-29 Thread bo richardson

I have size ten and a half feet and the gripsters work well for me. but for 
a larger foot 
i  suggest the larger Tioga pedal.  It may have started as a BMX pedal
 
It has spikes 
I wonder if a thin rubbery sheet could be put on the pedal and
anchored with the allen key pins screwed through the rubber
 

On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:27:37 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
 input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
 Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers. 

 Relavant détails:
 -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
 because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
 the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
 resultant vertigo.
 -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
 second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
 -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
 perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
 -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
 because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
 clipless.
 -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
 well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
 pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
 from the same pressure points.
 -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
 with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer rings filed down a bit.
 -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

 -- One thought on possibly worth trying is the Gripster pedals with a 
 thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
 with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

 Thanks for your input!
  
 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*



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[RBW] Re: FS 58 Atlantis with couplers

2013-04-29 Thread Steve Brent

Sorry, this is indeed strange. My son set this up in his photo bucket with
his paintball pictures as well. Although they weren't in the link, it is
very possible you might have found those instead of my Rivy. Here is a link
to the slideshow we tried instead, and sorry there is no travel case.
http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/Dwerby/slideshow/Dads%20Bikes?sort=3

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:29:21 PM UTC-4, eflayer wrote:

two things. that link is to photos that don't look rivish or even bikeish.
and are you including travel case and accessories.

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54:23 PM UTC-7, Steve Brent wrote:

Custom black Atlantis with top-line components

Some may recognize this as Jim Thill's old bike, he has no responsibility
for this sale. This bike has all the great components he put on it. Has SS
couplers to allow breaking it down. If it doesn't sell, I will part out,
but please take this baby off my hands :)

Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym
rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h)
Paul Neo-Retro Cantilever brakes
Riv Albatross Bars (also can include VO Porteur Bars and a custom Syntace
Bullhorn Bar)
Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers
Ultegra 9sp cassette
960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur)
9sp Dura Ace shifter
Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa
chainguard
Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) CrMo Albatross bar
Ritchey cable couplers
Cascadia fenders
SRAM chain
Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x39 tires with good tread
Minoura kickstand
Riv Atlantis Emblem Plate
Nitto Big Back Rack
Brooks black sprung saddle or a Brooks tan aged saddle (or a Selle
Anatomica Cydesdale waterproof saddle for $75 extra)
Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to
ship.

$2200. Please email me at wardbrent@hotmail(dot)com

Pics:
http://s1296.beta.photobucket.com/user/Dwerby/library/#/user/Dwerby/library/Dads%20Bikes?_suid=136158228250604888703538160445

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Chris Lampe

I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both 
free and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like using DOS 
compared to the better formats out there.   Also, I still have a long delay 
between when I post and when the post appears so it makes me reluctant to 
post as much.  Other than that, I enjoy the discussion here and it's a 
great place for information on a specific type of riding that interests me 
(all-purpose bikes that are comfortable).   
 

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 20:48 -0700, Jay Lonner wrote:
 I'm also 44, so can relate to the aches and pains of aging. I've
 wrestled with low back pain and hand numbness using Noodle bars on my
 Rambouillet for the past few years. It's been a while since I've
 ridden a bike with a more aggressive geometry, but I don't remember
 having had those problems before. Maybe it's age, maybe it's an
 overall loss of fitness and flexibility since I don't ride as much or
 as hard as I used to. Hard to say.
 

Can't say about the back pain, but hand numbness is certainly a matter
of position, and nothing to do with aggressive geometry (if that means
front end geometry).  

Most of my bikes use the Nitto 176 Dream bar.  I put the 177 Noodle
on one and had issues until I tilted the bar so the flats were
horizontal and the ramps were sloped a bit downward.  

Back 30-40 years ago I had chronic hand numbness issues that I tried to
solve with shorter and shorter stems, to no avail.  I finally got a
professional fitting and (surprise!) learned what I needed was a
significantly longer stem.  

From the perspective of 70, relating 44 to aging is right there in
ROTFLOL territory.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling computers

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 18:42 -0700, Fai Mao wrote:
 I use and like the Cat-Eye Strata with cadence. I have both the wired
 and wireless versions. I find the wired versions to be really reliably
 but sometimes difficult to setup I seem to have a hard time getting
 the magnets close enough for the sensor to read. But once I get that
 figured out they are reliable and work well. The wireless one is
 really persnickety 

Do you really feel cadence is worth it?  I had it on a bike once back 20
years ago, and although it was interesting for the first couple of
weeks, I quit paying attention to it after a little while, and never
missed it when it quit working.  Haven't had it for a long time and
wouldn't bother with it again.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote:
 I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are
 both free and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like
 using DOS compared to the better formats out there. 

Such as what?

As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly
than email.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Matthew J

 Most of my bikes use the Nitto 176 Dream bar.  I put the 177 Noodle 
 on one and had issues until I tilted the bar so the flats were 
 horizontal and the ramps were sloped a bit downward.   

My bike with drops has Dream bars as well.  Longish stem, even with the 
saddle.  Most of the time I hook my thumbs around the brake hood and extend 
my fingers down the side of the bar.  Never experience hand numbness.
 
I had an equally good experience with the Grand Bois Parallel.  Went with 
Dreams on the current road bike as it based on bike geo Tom Kellogg used in 
the '80s and the Dreams are an '80s design. 

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Just to address the comments about moderation:

At this point, I'm still the bottleneck.  No one else is co-moderating 
posts.

I release moderated comments in one of two ways - the first is via email.  
If I reply to notification of a moderated post, it goes through.  This is 
quicker, but does not change the moderation status of a new member.  So, 
I've tended to use it less and less. 

The second method is via the web interface.  I have to be logged in, but 
can 1) post with no change to status, 2) post and update status, 3) delete 
and ban user and 4) delete post.  I've been trying to use this method more 
frequently, as it allows me to pass through newer users in one step.  
Otherwise, I have to access the specific account and manually select and 
change the status.  

If someone emails me directly, I'll generally make the change manually.  
But, since I'm doing this for love rather than money, I try to keep the 
bulk of the changes efficient.  Which means that when a new user posts for 
a second or third time, the bell finally goes off in my brain and I 
recognize the name.  If it's not snarky, off-topic, related to a buy/sell 
transaction or some other reasonable trigger, then I'll pass it through and 
change the status.  

Statuses are updated by checking a box and then selecting an action, 
which means there's an imperfect variable (me) involved.  Sometimes, I've 
got 20 or 30 spam tries sitting to be moderated, and one valid post.  I 
have, upon occasion accidentally deleted (and banned) all of them with an 
errant keystroke (you guessed it, there is no Undo for that).  More 
commonly, there are 3 or 4 for sale posts and a new user's interesting 
and on-topic post get's passed through without updating their status.  
Sometimes I can recall the persons identity and find them.  Most of the 
time I figure they will post again and I'll get it the next time.

All that (painstakingly) being said, I've changed some things around so 
that I'm passing things through 2 or 3 times a day, so there shouldn't be 
an excessive delay unless I'm in the studio or away from all internet 
access.  

Thanks again to all for their contributions to this list.  

- Jim / List Admin

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[RBW] FS: Grey Banana Bag

2013-04-29 Thread Greg J

I bought this grey with leather trim banana bag from a listmember here a 
while bag, but never used it.  It is very lightly used, I'd say a 9 out of 
10.  The grey canvas is clean with no marks.  It was made by the Duluth 
company, and the round leather patch says Duluth rather than Baggins.  The 
banana bag is a really handy bag, big enough for everything you'd want to 
take along for a day ride (wallet, phone, tools, tube, a little food) with 
room on top and loops to lash a wind breaker.
 
Since I don't think I'll be using this bag in the near future (I already 
have 2 others), I'd like to see if anyone on the list is 
interested.  I'm thinking $50 shipped.
 
Thanks, and I can email pics tonight if you're interested.
 
Greg  

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Ron Mc

even my 13-y-o daughter gets hand numbness when she bends her wrists too 
far backwards while riding.  

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:02:15 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread hsmitham

Hi Scott,

I figured Riv had Duluth make some of their bags thanks for the 
confirmation. It fits the bill.

Hugh

On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

 That Frost River is nice, I have the old one.  It used to be sold as the 
 Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.   

 Cheers,
 Scott




 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Doug,

 I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe 
 tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is 
 an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all 
 their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at 
 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I 
 bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck 
 waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA. 
 https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

 Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

 Best,

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Hugh:

 If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for 
 phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold 
 a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or 
 support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does 
 Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent 
 price.  

 dougP

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe 
 tweed bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no 
 longer using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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RE: [RBW] Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread WETH

Wow, that looks great.  Look forward to photos when you have it built up.

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[RBW] Re: The Betty Foy Project

2013-04-29 Thread IanA

I found this a useful video when it comes to lacing the wheel. 
Straight-forward instruction.  Budget a LOT of time for the first wheel you 
build.  I believe it's worth doing oneself, if only to understand the 
process.

On Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:58:58 PM UTC-6, blakcloud wrote:

 I was cleaning up my bike stuff and my wife saw my Albatross bars that I 
 have hanging around and said she loved those bars as they reminded her of 
 the bike she grew up with in Japan. That gave me an idea why not build her 
 up a Betty Foy. I am between bike projects for myself, so I ordered a Betty 
 Foy that is suppose to be here next week. I started the parts collection. 
 So far I have the Stronglight crank in 165 from Riv, Shimano XT rear, 
 Ultegra triple front, MKS pedals, Nitto stem and seatpost, Dura Ace bar end 
 shifers, XT cassette, Brooks saddle, Silver brakes, SRAM 991 chain, Marks 
 front Nitto rack, Wald basket, Pletcher kickstand, essentially everything 
 but the wheels and tires.
 The question is what do I do for wheels?

 Should I just buy pre-built wheels from Riv and call it a day? The amount 
 she will ride it  (5-10 times a year) says this is the most cost effective.

 Since I went with the best on everything else, should I really buy custom 
 built wheels? Hubs are an easy choice but what rim would compliment that 
 bike?

 Should I build them up myself? I have never built wheels but I just bought 
 the Park 2.2 wheel truing stand and really how hard can building a wheel 
 for a 100 pound woman be? I am mechanically inclined, never taking my bike 
 to a bike shop for anything but pressing in a headset. 

 Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

 I someone has a set that they think would be appropriate to sell then let 
 me know, I might consider it. 


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[RBW] Re: The Betty Foy Project

2013-04-29 Thread IanA

I found this a useful video when it comes to lacing the wheel. 
Straight-forward instruction.  Budget a LOT of time for the first wheel you 
build.  I believe it's worth doing oneself, if only to understand the 
process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caCloMziaCk

On Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:58:58 PM UTC-6, blakcloud wrote:

 I was cleaning up my bike stuff and my wife saw my Albatross bars that I 
 have hanging around and said she loved those bars as they reminded her of 
 the bike she grew up with in Japan. That gave me an idea why not build her 
 up a Betty Foy. I am between bike projects for myself, so I ordered a Betty 
 Foy that is suppose to be here next week. I started the parts collection. 
 So far I have the Stronglight crank in 165 from Riv, Shimano XT rear, 
 Ultegra triple front, MKS pedals, Nitto stem and seatpost, Dura Ace bar end 
 shifers, XT cassette, Brooks saddle, Silver brakes, SRAM 991 chain, Marks 
 front Nitto rack, Wald basket, Pletcher kickstand, essentially everything 
 but the wheels and tires.
 The question is what do I do for wheels?

 Should I just buy pre-built wheels from Riv and call it a day? The amount 
 she will ride it  (5-10 times a year) says this is the most cost effective.

 Since I went with the best on everything else, should I really buy custom 
 built wheels? Hubs are an easy choice but what rim would compliment that 
 bike?

 Should I build them up myself? I have never built wheels but I just bought 
 the Park 2.2 wheel truing stand and really how hard can building a wheel 
 for a 100 pound woman be? I am mechanically inclined, never taking my bike 
 to a bike shop for anything but pressing in a headset. 

 Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

 I someone has a set that they think would be appropriate to sell then let 
 me know, I might consider it. 


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Re: [RBW] April Overnighter

2013-04-29 Thread WETH

I enjoyed reading your description of the trip.  Thanks for sharing.  Great 
photos,too.
-Erl

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Bryan

Sounds about right to me, Michael. I don't like bars above saddle height. 
How high do you have the bars on the Rivs? I have albatross bars on an old 
mountain bike that I use for kid hauling and commuting in lousy weather. 
It's really fun for short rides, but I can't log more than about 15 miles 
on that bike without getting uncomfortable. On a Riv with Noodles at saddle 
height, I can ride all day without discomfort. That wasn't the case when I 
used to ride bikes with steeper angles and lower bars.  

Bryan 

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[RBW] Bosco Bars Great on Beach Cruisers!

I was building a bike to donate to a charity auction, a sort of beach cruiser 
remake of a late '70s Fuji mixte, and it occurred to me that the spare set of 
Bosco bars languishing in my shop might work well on it.  Turns out they're as 
great for that kind of casual upright bike as they are for touring, and they 
look perfect on the new 3-speed cruiser version, too.

Forgive me a couple of pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8688847823/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8686209405/in/photostream/

And the bars up closer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8687338688/in/photostream

Tom


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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Jonathan Poor

another data point:

My two main bikes, a 59 cm '89 steel road race bike (made in Philly by 
Harry Havnoonian), and a 60 cm '98 Rivendell Road.  I would get a tired 
back after 20 - 30 mile rides on the Riv, but still felt super relaxed 
after similar rides on the HH.  Both bikes had more or less the same 2 inch 
drop from saddle to bars. 

After a while, I thought, perhaps the stem is too long on the Riv (it is a 
gorgeous Nitto Pearl 12). Not wanting to swap the stem (since it is so 
purdy), I slammed my saddle forward about an inch on the seat post (even 
though that didn't look right to me). 

Bingo!  no more sore back!  So it was the reach that was doing it. Maybe 
changing the stem would have worked as well, but who knows?

Jonathan

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RE: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

Others on this list have suggested that Frost River was something short of 
forthright in its copying of Riv's designs for their bike bags.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hsmitham
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

Hi Scott,

I figured Riv had Duluth make some of their bags thanks for the confirmation. 
It fits the bill.

Hugh

On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
That Frost River is nice, I have the old one.  It used to be sold as the 
Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.

Cheers,
Scott

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript: 
wrote:
Hi Doug,

I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe tweed 
bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is an 
example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all their 
ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at 9am to 
make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I bought this 
bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck waxed cotton with 
leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA. 
https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
Hugh:

If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for phone, 
keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold a decent 
amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or support.  I have 
one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does Rivendell still carry 
the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent price.

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
Hi Rivsters,

I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed bag 
or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer using 
contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

Hugh
Sunland, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread john

It was my understanding that Duluth Pack (now called Frost River?) made the 
Baggins bags for Rivendell. In any case, they look like fantastic bags. My 
Baggins Adam saddlebag is still going plenty strong. In my opinion, the 
best looking of all the saddlebags Riv has sold. Maybe I'll take a picture 
one of these days.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:29:36 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

  Others on this list have suggested that Frost River was something short 
 of forthright in its copying of Riv’s designs for their bike bags.  

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *hsmitham
 *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

  

 Hi Scott,
  
  
  
 I figured Riv had Duluth make some of their bags thanks for the 
 confirmation. It fits the bill.
  
  
  
 Hugh

 On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
  
 That Frost River is nice, I have the old one.  It used to be sold as the 
 Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.   
  
  
  
 Cheers,
  
 Scott
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Doug,
  
  
  
 I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe 
 tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is 
 an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all 
 their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at 
 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I 
 bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck 
 waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA. 
 https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/
  
  
  
 Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.
  
  
  
 Best,
  
  
  
 Hugh
  
 Sunland, CA
   


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Hugh:

 If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for 
 phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold 
 a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or 
 support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does 
 Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent 
 price.  

 dougP

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,
  
  
  
 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed 
 bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer 
 using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.
  
  
  
 Hugh
  
 Sunland, CA
  
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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread William

I have held for years the opinion that there were essentially two positions 
that were/are comfortable to me.  

1.  Leaned over with a flat back and my butt back such that my torso is 
just hanging there, held aloft by the tension in my hamstrings.  My hands 
are just laying on the bars.  My hands, arms, shoulders doing nothing to 
hold my upper body aloft.  The more flexible I am, the more leaned over I 
can get.  If the bars are lower or farther than my flexibility allows, then 
I'm reaching for the bars and that's bad.  

2.  Bolt upright, so my hands are just laying on the handlebars 

For me, everything in-between these two positions is no good for any 
appreciable amount of time.  As time passes with me neglecting stretching, 
I notice that my happy place for position 1 has gotten somewhat more 
upright, but I attribute that to flexibility diminishing, which is only 
incidentally correlated with me aging.  I know how to get that back if I 
want to.   

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread john

I'm 44 also (There see to be a lot of us). I've struggled with low back 
pain for the past 5 years or so. I work on my feet all day lifting heavy 
objects and bending, stooping, tweaking (I'm a chef) so this doesn't help 
matters.

What is interesting to me is the reverse of what is supposed to help. In 
my case, I always had the bars about parallel with the saddle. Then when I 
got my Sam (4 years ago, I guess), I placed the bars higher than the saddle 
by an inch or two. I did this because Riv mantra suggested this would help 
my back. But after riding this way for a couple years, I was still 
experiencing pain, and also a new sensation: hand numbness. 

I got a professional bike fit done, and we installed a shorter stem (I 
always felt like I was reaching too far on the original setup, with a 10cm 
stem, so now I ride a 7 cm stem). We also lowered the bars to be about even 
with the saddle. This was an improvement. I felt more comfortable, and 
could ride for longer without pain.

Now, however, after still experiencing some hand numbness (I use noodle 
bars, by the way), I dropped my bars below saddle height by an inch-or-so, 
to experiment. You know what? I prefer this position for many reasons. 

1. I experience less low back fatigue. I think this is mostly due to the 
fact that I'm using more of my core muscles and being able to push into the 
stroke. I'm a thin, light guy, skinny as a whip and not very powerful. The 
low position helps me transmit power, and, I think, save my low back.

2. My hand numbness is much reduced, if not altogether eliminated. I may 
end up switching bars at some point.

In sum, I don't think there is any right way, but your way. I was surprised 
to find that by lowering my bars, I found relief. But as others have 
suggested, it was micro adjustments for a period of years, in my case, that 
led to this position. I kept getting progressively lower and lower until I 
now know I wouldn't be comfortable going any lower.

I have founded a theory that skinny guys like me, who are getting older and 
not able to ride as often as they used to, may well benefit from getting 
more aero - not the other way around!

John.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:22:15 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Poor wrote:

 another data point:

 My two main bikes, a 59 cm '89 steel road race bike (made in Philly by 
 Harry Havnoonian), and a 60 cm '98 Rivendell Road.  I would get a tired 
 back after 20 - 30 mile rides on the Riv, but still felt super relaxed 
 after similar rides on the HH.  Both bikes had more or less the same 2 inch 
 drop from saddle to bars. 

 After a while, I thought, perhaps the stem is too long on the Riv (it is a 
 gorgeous Nitto Pearl 12). Not wanting to swap the stem (since it is so 
 purdy), I slammed my saddle forward about an inch on the seat post (even 
 though that didn't look right to me). 

 Bingo!  no more sore back!  So it was the reach that was doing it. Maybe 
 changing the stem would have worked as well, but who knows?

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Esteban

Another vote for lower da bars. The comfort in the design will still 
shine through, and you'll get rid of back pain.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 11:08:56 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I have held for years the opinion that there were essentially two 
 positions that were/are comfortable to me.  

 1.  Leaned over with a flat back and my butt back such that my torso is 
 just hanging there, held aloft by the tension in my hamstrings.  My hands 
 are just laying on the bars.  My hands, arms, shoulders doing nothing to 
 hold my upper body aloft.  The more flexible I am, the more leaned over I 
 can get.  If the bars are lower or farther than my flexibility allows, then 
 I'm reaching for the bars and that's bad.  

 2.  Bolt upright, so my hands are just laying on the handlebars 

 For me, everything in-between these two positions is no good for any 
 appreciable amount of time.  As time passes with me neglecting stretching, 
 I notice that my happy place for position 1 has gotten somewhat more 
 upright, but I attribute that to flexibility diminishing, which is only 
 incidentally correlated with me aging.  I know how to get that back if I 
 want to.   

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last 
 September I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can 
 last into the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop 
 versions of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my 
 body just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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[RBW] FS: Supernova Airsteam lights, lightly used for sale German made (2)

2013-04-29 Thread hobie

Purchased new (2) Award winning German made Supernova Airstream lights 
around the same time last year and hardly used them. Maybe 1/2 dozen times 
each.  Unique design that uses O-Rings and a swivel base  to attached to 
either stem or handlebars. I used them on my Nitto Noodles. Comes with 2 O 
rings each, charger, original tin hardshell storage box, manuals.All 
original. $170 each including shipping. 

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread William

I'm 44 also (There see to be a lot of us).

Me too!   69 dude!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Eric Platt

I'm with Steve on this, no cadence for me, please.  Had one when getting
back into cycling and was just as happy to get rid of it when the bike was
sold.

The new wired Cateye Velo models are cheap, but they seem to work okay.  My
favorite was the Enduro series as it had a larger diameter wire which holds
up well.  Mine is still going after about a decade.

Did try a wireless for a bit, but there are too many areas where I ride
that have interference with the sensor.  Mainly 3 or 4 underground
pipelines on or next to bike trails.  They look a lot cleaner, though and
if I could get past that complaint would probably switch over.

 Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 18:42 -0700, Fai Mao wrote:
  I use and like the Cat-Eye Strata with cadence. I have both the wired
  and wireless versions. I find the wired versions to be really reliably
  but sometimes difficult to setup I seem to have a hard time getting
  the magnets close enough for the sensor to read. But once I get that
  figured out they are reliable and work well. The wireless one is
  really persnickety

 Do you really feel cadence is worth it?  I had it on a bike once back 20
 years ago, and although it was interesting for the first couple of
 weeks, I quit paying attention to it after a little while, and never
 missed it when it quit working.  Haven't had it for a long time and
 wouldn't bother with it again.



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[RBW] Rivendell Spring(Felt like summer) Camp recap.

2013-04-29 Thread Manuel Acosta

Bingo.
3rd Annual Coffee Ride and Rivendell Spring Campsite.
Highlights
- Coffee and biking!
- Seeing a 11 year old kid and his dad, Mr.Coldiron ride up Twin Peaks for 
the first time.
- Riding up Diablo in hot, dry weather and taking plenty of breaks for 
water and shade.
- Eating pretty fancy cheese and some spam musubi after a long hot summer 
like day of riding.
- Riding dirt with heavy front load reminds me to always skid out the rear.
- Hanging out with fun folks and sleeping outside.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEViJhG

-Manny Good to have a working camera Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Tim McNamara

Why are you using Google Groups to read this mailing list?  Google Groups's 
interface is horrible, or was the last I looked at it.  Subscribe to get the 
posts by e-mail; I find the gap between sending and receiving to be quite fast.

Tim

On Apr 28, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Chris Lampe clampe1...@cox.net wrote:

 I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free 
 and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like using DOS compared 
 to the better formats out there.   Also, I still have a long delay between 
 when I post and when the post appears so it makes me reluctant to post as 
 much.  Other than that, I enjoy the discussion here and it's a great place 
 for information on a specific type of riding that interests me (all-purpose 
 bikes that are comfortable).   
  
 
 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-29 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I agree...cadence was interesting for a bit, but once I discovered that my
cadence is pretty consistent I didn't care when I broke the bit that
measured it by accident. Indeed I've now managed to lose the entire Garmin
gps unit (a few years old and not used much anyway but still).

I use the cheapest available wired units now because I'm only interested in
my time on the bike and sometimes my distance. I keep track of my time on
the bike as we have a goal at work having to do with fitness and
essentially everyone is encouraged to 'exercise' two hours a week. By that
standard I finished the entire year before the end of April and yes, I'm
aware that bicycling doesn't constitute the only sort of exercise one can
do - but it is easy to track. :-)

Aloha,

Bob


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm with Steve on this, no cadence for me, please.  Had one when getting
 back into cycling and was just as happy to get rid of it when the bike was
 sold.

 The new wired Cateye Velo models are cheap, but they seem to work okay.
 My favorite was the Enduro series as it had a larger diameter wire which
 holds up well.  Mine is still going after about a decade.

 Did try a wireless for a bit, but there are too many areas where I ride
 that have interference with the sensor.  Mainly 3 or 4 underground
 pipelines on or next to bike trails.  They look a lot cleaner, though and
 if I could get past that complaint would probably switch over.

  Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.comwrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 18:42 -0700, Fai Mao wrote:
  I use and like the Cat-Eye Strata with cadence. I have both the wired
  and wireless versions. I find the wired versions to be really reliably
  but sometimes difficult to setup I seem to have a hard time getting
  the magnets close enough for the sensor to read. But once I get that
  figured out they are reliable and work well. The wireless one is
  really persnickety

 Do you really feel cadence is worth it?  I had it on a bike once back 20
 years ago, and although it was interesting for the first couple of
 weeks, I quit paying attention to it after a little while, and never
 missed it when it quit working.  Haven't had it for a long time and
 wouldn't bother with it again.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Chris Lampe

I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used the 
e-mail function.  If the majority of the people access this group via 
e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option), then I 
guess it's a good way to go.  I'm just used to manually visiting a forum 
and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru which I view Google 
groups.  Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines an Internet group.  
I've never been part of one before.  
 

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote: 
  I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are 
  both free and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like 
  using DOS compared to the better formats out there. 

 Such as what? 

 As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly 
 than email. 





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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread dougP

Michael:

What may be happening is your body protesting a change that may not appear 
to be too radical but is a major change anyway.  

Assuming you had no pain problems on your old race bike set-up, I suggest 
taking one of your Rivendells and replicating that same set-up as closely 
as possible.  That's your baseline and what your body is used to.  You 
mention wanting to be a bit more upright.  Once you are back to where you 
started, gradually raise the bars, perhaps only 1/8 or so at a time.  It's 
amazing how our bodies protest radical changes, so take your time on this 
one.

As to aging, I started gradually raising my bars somewhere in my 40s.  I 
finally ended up with a MTB stem on my last race bike, with the bars about 
even with the seat.  That process took a few years.  When I got my 
Atlantis, I just set it up about like my old bike and have only made a few 
minor adjustments in the last 10 years.  

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread Geoff Klingsporn

Grant wrote the following to the RBW list on 1/17/06 -- caveat: I haven't
followed things since, relations may have changed, I have no affiliation
with either side, etc.:

Responding to the bike bags in the Frost River catalogue, the story is
this;

The fellow at Frost River broke an agreement we had that he wouldn't make
our bags under any other label. It wasn't a written agreement. He wears
plaid shirts and tucks them in behind thick leather belts, and we hit it off
right away when we met 7+ years ago when he was at Duluth Pack.

As for the Frost River bags: We conceived and developed them, they stitched
them. We were always undersuppplied and back-ordered because he was
suffering financially to the point where he couldn't even buy materials for
our bags because he had vendors who needed paying and he couldn't pay them,
and they wouldn't ship more materials without being paid. We loaned  him
money to pay his bills, and still he couldn't deliver.

I followed him from Duluth Pack to this new company out of loyalty (after
he'd been let go). I nearly burned my bridge with Duluth doing  it, and it
backfired when he couldn't deliver.

So we were forced to crawl back to Duluth, tail between legs and begging
forgiveness, and they graciously accepted us back.

All the while I told FR that we'd continue to buy from them, as much as they
could make. But we couldn't continue being out of stock, so the move back to
Duluth was necessary.

He still couldn't deliver, and then his catalogue showed up with our bags in
it, renamed.

I called him up and said Whazzupidat? and he said I forced  him to do it
by going to Duluth. I said, Well, you know, you weren't making us bags! He
said, exact quote, Well Grant, you made a business decision, and so did I.

Even after that I told him, Look, we'll BUY from you, if you can deliver.
And I'll come up with new bags for you to make, if it turns out that Duluth
is coming through with tons of the current bags.

He is a good guy, a nice man, but this was not a good thing that he did. It
doesn't make him bad, but I feel as though I can keep turning another cheek
and he'll keep hitting it (by continuing to list OUR bags).

I hope he doesn't sell many of them. He claims to have played a role in
their development, but he never contributed a single design idea, only
construction details that any maker would be expected to contribute.

That's the story, o'er  out.

Best,

Grant

Best wishes from the archives,
Geoff
(Denver)


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

  Others on this list have suggested that Frost River was something short
 of forthright in its copying of Riv’s designs for their bike bags.  

 ** **

 *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *hsmitham
 *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

 ** **

 Hi Scott,

 ** **

 I figured Riv had Duluth make some of their bags thanks for the
 confirmation. It fits the bill.

 ** **

 Hugh

 On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

 That Frost River is nice, I have the old one.  It used to be sold as the
 Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.   

 ** **

 Cheers,

 Scott

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Doug,

 ** **

 I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe
 tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is
 an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all
 their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at
 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I
 bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck
 waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA.
 https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

 ** **

 Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

 ** **

 Best,

 ** **

 Hugh

 Sunland, CA



 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Hugh:

 If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for
 phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold
 a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or
 support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does
 Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent
 price.

 dougP

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 ** **

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed
 bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer
 using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 ** **

 Hugh

 Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Need a recommendation for 2-bike storage system

2013-04-29 Thread Joe Hogg

On 04/29/2013 06:06 AM, Kieran J wrote:
Hey there,

I'm short on space in my apartment, and I've begun to look at the
horizontal hanging apparatuses to hang two bikes, one above the other.
Like this one:

Swagman Hang It
http://www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/Cycling/BikeStorageRacks/PRD%7E5012-400/swagman-hang-it-bike-hanger.jsp

The reviews on this particular one are mixed, but mostly positive.
Anyone else have experience with this style of hanging system, or have
better results with something else? The space I have to work with is a
5' x 9' wall.

Thanks!

Kieran
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Hi Kieran,

I have an earlier version of this Minoura rack:

http://www.minourausa.com/english/storage-e/p500al3-e.html

In fact, here's a picture of the one I have on an old Nashbar web page:

https://www.performancebike.com/reviews/nashbar/power/pwr/product-reviews/Bike-Transport-Storage/Storage-Racks/Storage-Racks/Minoura/p/MN__BS__BASE-Minoura-Bike-Stand.html

I'm not using it because I have a couple more. If you are interested,
please send me a note separately from the rbw-owners-bunch group.

Thanks,

Joe

[RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread dougP

Yep, that looks just like my Baggins.  Really handy little bag, and the 
price is right.  I think you will like it a lot.  They hold a surprising 
amount of stuff.  

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:00 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Doug,

 I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe 
 tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is 
 an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all 
 their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at 
 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I 
 bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck 
 waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA. 
 https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

 Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

 Best,

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Hugh:

 If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for 
 phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold 
 a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or 
 support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does 
 Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent 
 price.  

 dougP

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe 
 tweed bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no 
 longer using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA



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[RBW] Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

2013-04-29 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

Had a fun little adventure tooling around eastern oregon for the last week 
or so. Made memories that'll last a lifetime. I rode my Homer, Tommy rode 
his Bombadil, Lady B rode her Surly CC. The route was improvised as we 
went. Our break heavy riding style kept our mileage at about 40 miles per 
day. It was enough to see some nice country and spend time with some good 
people. 

pics, map, etc... 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157633381017744/

--Smitty



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell names

2013-04-29 Thread John Price


If Rivendell had stuck with the Saluki name and then brought out an Arabian 
and finally a Saker they'd have all the bases covered.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread Dan Abelson

FYI Duluth Pack and Frost River are different companies.

Dan Abelson
On Apr 29, 2013 12:38 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

It was my understanding that Duluth Pack (now called Frost River?) made
the Baggins bags for Rivendell. In any case, they look like fantastic bags.
My Baggins Adam saddlebag is still going plenty strong. In my opinion,
the best looking of all the saddlebags Riv has sold. Maybe I'll take a
picture one of these days.

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:29:36 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

Others on this list have suggested that Frost River was something short
of forthright in its copying of Riv’s designs for their bike bags.

*From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [mailto:rbw-owne...@**
googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *hsmitham
*Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
*To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com
*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

Hi Scott,

I figured Riv had Duluth make some of their bags thanks for the
confirmation. It fits the bill.

Hugh

On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:03 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

That Frost River is nice, I have the old one. It used to be sold as the
Rivendell Baggins CandyBar bag.

Cheers,

Scott

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Doug,

I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe
tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is
an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all
their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at
9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and pay exorbitant prices. So I
bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck
waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA.
https://www.frostriver.**com/shop/sawbill-trail-**handlebar-bag/https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/

Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.

Best,

Hugh

Sunland, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

Hugh:

If you plan to continue with a saddlebag just want the front one for
phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great. They fit any bike, hold
a decent amount (but not a sandwich) don't need any special rack or
support. I have one that I take whenever I travel rent a bike. Does
Rivendell still carry the Brand V? It's nicely done IIRC a decent
price.

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Hi Rivsters,

I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed
bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer
using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

Hugh

Sunland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread dougP

Jim:

Many thanks to you for your patience and attention to this forum.  The 
entire process appears to be magic to me, so I am grateful to people like 
you who make it work.

dougP

On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:00:14 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Just to address the comments about moderation:

 At this point, I'm still the bottleneck.  No one else is co-moderating 
 posts.

 I release moderated comments in one of two ways - the first is via email.  
 If I reply to notification of a moderated post, it goes through.  This is 
 quicker, but does not change the moderation status of a new member.  So, 
 I've tended to use it less and less. 

 The second method is via the web interface.  I have to be logged in, but 
 can 1) post with no change to status, 2) post and update status, 3) delete 
 and ban user and 4) delete post.  I've been trying to use this method more 
 frequently, as it allows me to pass through newer users in one step.  
 Otherwise, I have to access the specific account and manually select and 
 change the status.  

 If someone emails me directly, I'll generally make the change manually.  
 But, since I'm doing this for love rather than money, I try to keep the 
 bulk of the changes efficient.  Which means that when a new user posts for 
 a second or third time, the bell finally goes off in my brain and I 
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 transaction or some other reasonable trigger, then I'll pass it through and 
 change the status.  

 Statuses are updated by checking a box and then selecting an action, 
 which means there's an imperfect variable (me) involved.  Sometimes, I've 
 got 20 or 30 spam tries sitting to be moderated, and one valid post.  I 
 have, upon occasion accidentally deleted (and banned) all of them with an 
 errant keystroke (you guessed it, there is no Undo for that).  More 
 commonly, there are 3 or 4 for sale posts and a new user's interesting 
 and on-topic post get's passed through without updating their status.  
 Sometimes I can recall the persons identity and find them.  Most of the 
 time I figure they will post again and I'll get it the next time.

 All that (painstakingly) being said, I've changed some things around so 
 that I'm passing things through 2 or 3 times a day, so there shouldn't be 
 an excessive delay unless I'm in the studio or away from all internet 
 access.  

 Thanks again to all for their contributions to this list.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Urban Tour by Brooklyn's Horse Cycles

2013-04-29 Thread Curtis Schmitt

I owned a Romulus for about a year. Nice bike, but I didn't fall in love
with it as I had hoped to as I did with my ultra-stiff but still comfy
Seven Alaris, my Peter Mooney single speed (set up fixed), and my EAI
Bareknuckle. I eventually sold the Romulus. I borrowed the Urban Tour
prototype (depicted in the promotional photos and videos) this past
weekend. The ride quality is much better than the Romulus, and I think the
Urban Tour is more beautiful. I found the Romulus frame to be way too
flexible, loaded or not. It was lovely when riding it in a very civilized
and proper manner, but ultimately didn't excel at anything. The Urban Tour
is an incredible ride. It just feels special in a way that so many other
bikes don't.

As for the $2K being affordable, I don't think it is. I agree it's pretty
expensive. But I think it's a better value than a Rivendell right now, and
if you do value the fact that it's made in the U.S., even better.


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Norman norr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the differential between those two bikes comes from the
 fanciness of the Hilsen compared to the Hillborne.  My Sam H. was made in
 US and still a grand less than the Hilsen.


 On Monday, April 8, 2013 2:16:38 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 MIke, I had the choice of buying a Hillborne made in Taiwan and the
 Hilsen in Wisconsin, the difference was $775.00. As you know I chose
 Wisconsin. I made a conscience decision and feel good about employing
 American workers. At the same time make no mistake I want other people in
 the world to make a good wage just not at the expense of American's.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Sunday, April 7, 2013 5:18:49 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I think this is a good thing, and we need more of it in the US. I don't
 mean to offend anyone, but buying Taiwanese products when there are
 suitable US products made is a poor compromise. I know the world is flat
 and all that but our economy needs more of this kind
 of entrepreneurial spirit.

 ~mike



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-29 Thread Joan Oppel

Just for the record: Here's the Rivendell Brand V handlebar bag: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavbt.htmIt is beautifully made, easy open/close double zipper, very secure, holds just the right amount of stuff, made in USA. I notice it isn't available right now, and it is more expensive than the Frost River. But I think it's one super bag.Since I got mine last summer, 3 friends have purchased one (2 of them have no connection to Rivendell other than through me) and love it.JoanOn 04/29/13, dougPdougpn...@cox.net wrote:Yep, that looks just like my Baggins. Really handy little bag, and the price is right. I think you will like it a lot. They hold a surprising amount of stuff. dougPOn Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00:00 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:Hi Doug,I don't know why Rivendell stops runs on great bags like the Nigel Smythe tweed bags or the Baggins bag?? I have to admit I'm into fashion my bike is an example of said fetish. Acorn was sold out an hour and a half on all their ranger tan bags on the 24th I'm not going to wait by the computer at 9am to make a purchase or bid on the bay and payexorbitantprices. So I bought this bag instead which meets my cirteria, small made out of duck waxed cotton with leather straps two way zipper reasonably priced and MUSA.https://www.frostriver.com/shop/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/Thanks for your advice and looking forward to our adventure.Best,HughSunland, CAOn Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:38:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:Hugh:If you plan to continue with a saddlebag just want the front one for phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great. They fit any bike, hold a decent amount (but not a sandwich) don't need any special rack or support. I have one that I take whenever I travel rent a bike. Does Rivendell still carry the Brand V? It's nicely done IIRC a decent price. dougPOn Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:Hi Rivsters,I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.HughSunland, CA-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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[RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

2013-04-29 Thread William R.

Hi all. I am planning on installing a Sugino XD2 triple crankset that Riv sells 
on my Sam H. I am trying to figure out if an IRD bottom bracket with a 110mm 
spindle that I have will work for this application. I went looking for the XD2 
bb size on Sheldon Brown, but it wasn't listed. There are XD600, 500 and 300 
but no XD2. Is the XD2 the same as one of those? For those cranks lists larger 
spindle lengths but then says that 107mm will work in some situations. I could 
have sworn that somewhere on the Riv site it says that 110mm bb is the right 
size. But I can't find that now. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

Wonderful set of pictures of what looks like a wonderful ride.  Congrats!  The 
guys who bailed don't know what they missed.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Smitty Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:36 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

Had a fun little adventure tooling around eastern oregon for the last week or 
so. Made memories that'll last a lifetime. I rode my Homer, Tommy rode his 
Bombadil, Lady B rode her Surly CC. The route was improvised as we went. Our 
break heavy riding style kept our mileage at about 40 miles per day. It was 
enough to see some nice country and spend time with some good people.

pics, map, etc... 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157633381017744/

--Smitty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 10:02 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote:
 I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used
 the e-mail function.  If the majority of the people access this group
 via e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option),
 then I guess it's a good way to go.  I'm just used to manually
 visiting a forum and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru
 which I view Google groups.  Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines
 an Internet group.  I've never been part of one before. 


Try it, you'll like it!  I find POP email is much superior to both web
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[RBW] Re: Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

2013-04-29 Thread Manuel Acosta

I saw these and instantly was jealous! So sweet pictures Andy! 
No snow angel? 

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[RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

2013-04-29 Thread WETH

According to the Riv site...a 110.  Link here: 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bbc.htm
Safe cycling, Erl

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Re: [RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

2013-04-29 Thread Dan McNamara

You should be good baring any issues with the front der.  107 or 110 work 
great. I did run into an issue with my Bomba but that was due to a modern 
Shimano front der not being able to adjust inward enough. So a 113 was 
necessary. 



On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:14 PM, William R. wroma...@optonline.net wrote:

 Hi all. I am planning on installing a Sugino XD2 triple crankset that Riv 
 sells on my Sam H. I am trying to figure out if an IRD bottom bracket with a 
 110mm spindle that I have will work for this application. I went looking for 
 the XD2 bb size on Sheldon Brown, but it wasn't listed. There are XD600, 500 
 and 300 but no XD2. Is the XD2 the same as one of those? For those cranks 
 lists larger spindle lengths but then says that 107mm will work in some 
 situations. I could have sworn that somewhere on the Riv site it says that 
 110mm bb is the right size. But I can't find that now. Can anyone set me 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

2013-04-29 Thread Lyle Bogart

Nice pics, Andy! I sure do miss that area; loved the stained glass at the
church! Thanks for posting the pics. . .

Cheers!

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 No snow angel?

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-29 Thread Michael



 Thanks for the ideas and experiences, everyone.
 Starting to feel like I am not losing my mind now.
  

I rode last year with varying heights all above the saddle on the Bleriot. 
Pain started after a month of this.
 
I will try replicating the race set up with a 6cm Technomic I have to get 
the reach the same (Sam reach is too long for me even with 8cm stock stem). 
I may need a 190mm tall stem though to get the bars 1.5cm below saddle 
height. The Tallux bottoms out in the Sam steerer tube before that. Don't 
know about the technomic yet.
 
I want to try Albas to try sitting bolt upright, too. But that is a $200 
experiment (bars/stem/brake levers) and I want to exhaust all the options I 
have with the Noodles and staches I have before buying something else.
 
I know I must sound like it, but I am not a fussy customer, I rode for 
years on the race bike without a problem. Just can't figure this out. Just 
wanna settle into some nice riding now.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Michael



 I love the B17/Flyer saddles.
 That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles 
 which seem to gouge every seem on my clothes into my flesh.


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[RBW] Crank Length Question

2013-04-29 Thread Peter M

So I have been putting more and more miles on the Bombadil and its an
awesome ride but I am having an issue riding in Brooklyn traffic. I keep
having to put my foot down at lights and don't want to dismount the saddle
every time since the 56cm size has the TT right there. Would going to
180mm cranks let me drop the saddle a bit and therefore be able to put my
foot a bit lower or am I just crazy? Ideally I would have something like a
Gomez but with the tubes and clearance that the Bombadil does. So outside
of saving my pennies for a custom I was thinking this would be some sort of
a solution, I know it wont be much but even being able to put my foot down
a bit more without overextending my hamstring would be great. Ebay has
these here cranks but they seem a bit overpriced
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sugino-Crank-Set-Old-School-BMX-Bike-180-mm-110-BCD-Polished-Alloy-/281037783536?_trksid=p2050601.m2372_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D207%26meid%3D7313463647018136641%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D1112%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D281037783536%26%26clkid%3D7313464623718577442_qi=RTM1303752
but
I don't see a lot of 180mm or longer cranks for sale unless I am looking in
the wrong place. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: [RBW] Re: Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

2013-04-29 Thread Michael Williams

Thanks for sharing Andy!Great photos.  Love the part about the haunted
schoolhouse.   Some beautiful country you were in!-Mike


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 Nice pics, Andy! I sure do miss that area; loved the stained glass at the
 church! Thanks for posting the pics. . .

 Cheers!

 lyle


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 No snow angel?

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Michael



 I loved the book. It is a great resource to have for cyclists.
  
 I wish Riv would make a Just wrench book next. I like Grant's down to 
 earth mechanics approach.
  
 I took the part of the book dedicated to fitness and diet with a grain of 
 salt though.
  

There are so many diet/exercise philosophies and studies out there in the 
world that one cannot tell what works at all, or for one's self.
My philosophy on dieting and exercise ideas is this:
If they woulda found something that worked by now, everyone on the planet 
would be skinny.

  

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride!

I find that the original Flites are the most comfortable - they disappear.
Even better than original issue Turbos, which are a bit too rounded. Of all
the Brookses, the Pro was the best, but I could not comfortably adjust the
tilt, so after 12-18 months I sold it. B17s are too wide.

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 That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles
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[RBW] Crank Length Question

2013-04-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

If stand over is that much of an issue, I suggest a smaller frame rather than 
longer cranks. Long cranks may open up a rabbit hole of knee/hip issues. Maybe 
thicker soled shoes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eight Days Around Eastern Oregon

2013-04-29 Thread Peter Morgano

Beautiful pics, looks like an epic ride.


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 Thanks for sharing Andy!Great photos.  Love the part about the haunted
 schoolhouse.   Some beautiful country you were in!-Mike


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 Nice pics, Andy! I sure do miss that area; loved the stained glass at the
 church! Thanks for posting the pics. . .

 Cheers!

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Re: [RBW] Crank Length Question

Agree -- like moving your saddle to fix reach to the bar, this is going at
it bass ackward.

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Re: [RBW] Crank Length Question

2013-04-29 Thread Peter Morgano

I just love the ride so much though, its only when I have to stop riding is
the issue. I have a fist and a half of seatpost showing so its not like it
sooo big. I would really need to replicate its long top tube but with less
standover, which again would be near impossible without coughing up custom
money.


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 Agree -- like moving your saddle to fix reach to the bar, this is going at
 it bass ackward.


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell names

2013-04-29 Thread samh

Now you've done it.  The Lord of the Rings lawyers will be all over that 
place.

On Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:50:36 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:

 Shot this northeast of Paso Robles a while back:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/8687623510/in/photostream

 Just stumbled across it in my random access photo filing system  thought 
 it may be of interest.  There's a really fun loop from around the Paso 
 Robles airport area, north to Hog Canyon (much nicer than it sounds)  
 looping around to San Miguel, crossing 101 into the hills above Paso, then 
 back into town.  Lots of great riding up there, one of my favorite riding 
 areas.  

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[RBW] Re: Bosco Bars Great on Beach Cruisers!

2013-04-29 Thread George Millwood

Great build from a choice selection of parts.  I particularly like the 
saddle.  I'm contemplating how to rebuild my beach cruiser, a Specialised 
Shark, and this has given me a lot to think about.  Great work.
 

On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:17:41 UTC+10, Pudge wrote:

  I was building a bike to donate to a charity auction, a sort of beach 
 cruiser remake of a late ‘70s Fuji mixte, and it occurred to me that the 
 spare set of Bosco bars languishing in my shop might work well on it.  
 Turns out they’re as great for that kind of casual upright bike as they are 
 for touring, and they look perfect on the new 3-speed cruiser version, too.

  

 Forgive me a couple of pictures:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8688847823/in/photostream/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8686209405/in/photostream/

  

 And the bars up closer:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8687338688/in/photostream

  

 Tom

  
  
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