[RBW] Re: Noooo!!! I could have ordered something else! Hot Pink Newbaums
Back in my racing years I rode (and still do occasionally) a custom Marinoni which was painted lavender and pink. Whenever someone made a sarcastic comment I would simply shrug and say, It takes a very secure man to ride a pink bicycle. Welcome to the club. Michael On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:13:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: CRAP! I placed an order yesterday and it shipped out today, and only now do I realize that Rivendell has in-stock, the new HOT PINK Newbaums! I should have added that to my order! #headdesk http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/gt1-6T.jpg?1385136510 I guess I'll just add it to my wish list. Gr. I was planning on being a Sumehra wannabee fanboy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noooo!!! I could have ordered something else! Hot Pink Newbaums
And of course, Deutsche Telekom raced in pink kits for years. But we're unracers here... On 1/30/2014 5:00 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote: Back in my racing years I rode (and still do occasionally) a custom Marinoni which was painted lavender and pink. Whenever someone made a sarcastic comment I would simply shrug and say, It takes a very secure man to ride a pink bicycle. Welcome to the club. Michael On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:13:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: CRAP! I placed an order yesterday and it shipped out today, and only now do I realize that Rivendell has in-stock, the new HOT PINK Newbaums! I should have added that to my order! #headdesk http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/gt1-6T.jpg?1385136510 I guess I'll just add it to my wish list. Gr. I was planning on being a Sumehra wannabee fanboy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site
take photos, please On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:14:19 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: It's *definitely* going down as the last one I'm in for a while. Somebody mentioned winter on RBW, and although we haven't had much of one here, I still haven't been able to ride much lately. It shows! I shall go off-grid and on-pedals for a few months. Bye Rivvers! Joe I'd love to stay, but I gotta go Bernard On the road, CA. On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:02:37 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote: This thread should go down in RBW Owner's Bunch history as WTBgate. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noooo!!! I could have ordered something else! Hot Pink Newbaums
there's no reason we cant unrace in aqua, hot pink and orange - seems like we need a Fiesta around here On Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:26:14 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote: And of course, Deutsche Telekom raced in pink kits for years. But we're unracers here... On 1/30/2014 5:00 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote: Back in my racing years I rode (and still do occasionally) a custom Marinoni which was painted lavender and pink. Whenever someone made a sarcastic comment I would simply shrug and say, It takes a very secure man to ride a pink bicycle. Welcome to the club. Michael On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:13:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: CRAP! I placed an order yesterday and it shipped out today, and only now do I realize that Rivendell has in-stock, the new HOT PINK Newbaums! I should have added that to my order! #headdesk http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/gt1-6T.jpg?1385136510 I guess I'll just add it to my wish list. Gr. I was planning on being a Sumehra wannabee fanboy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?
as long as we're at it, here's the gear chart for Doug's suggestion - Very useful gear set with no cliffs anywhere, hill climbers on every chainring, and narrow 50s/60s, where we spend most of our time. Chainline at the extremes might be tough, but the Microshift derailleur looks like it has the wrap to easily handle the chain length. I was excited to see Grant pick up that derailleur - their barcons (on my daughter's bike) are wonderful. Gear chart using Gear Inches http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_g.html#gearinch*For 700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s) Cassette* 3033.3 %4025.0 %503423.631.539.421.4 %2828.738.247.816.7 %2433.544.655.814.3 %2138.251.063.716.7 %1844.659.574.312.5 %1650.266.983.614.3 %1457.376.595.6 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:23:45 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: Just a comment on the gearing side. with a 30T small chainring, I'd go the 34T big cog. For a long time, I rode with cogsets that went from 28 to 32 as the last shift, and sometimes hauling a load up a hill it didn't seem like enough of a shift. I sub'd in a 34 big cog and the 28 to 34 shifts fine under load (not sure how 24 to 34 would do at this). The suggested 14-16-18-21-24-28-34 looks pretty good. FWIW, I too would be leery of a cheap FW. Even though it's a Shimano, likely it's primary market is OEM cheap bikes that won't get much use. dougP On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:56:56 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote: Ladies and gents- I'm looking for a new freewheel. 7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv Road Standard. For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now. The Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine. So far, I see the following options. Anyone know of more? Thanks for your advice! *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 $14 + Cheap! - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog) *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 $42 + Shiny nickel plating - Not cheap! 3 Shimanos at this price *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 $56 + Shiny nickel plating + USA company. MUSA freewheel? - Not cheap! 4 Shimanos at this price Gearing: Which is better? Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear. 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout cog. 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two, smaller bailout gears (28/32) Thanks, Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride. Heresy, I know. But at least you would be getting out to ride! Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car? Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion. I know people who, for whatever reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park and then ride. It's still biking and better than notbiking! Joan On 01/27/14, LeahFoyjonasa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us became road kill, instead! Ha! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DeWojyJkZvc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DeWojyJkZvc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - SoftRide tailgate pad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP6250001.jpg it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aPB39.jpg $90 online. trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/aP5150001.jpg On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride. Heresy, I know. But at least you would be getting out to ride! Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car? Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion. I know people who, for whatever reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park and then ride. It's still biking and better than notbiking! Joan On 01/27/14, LeahFoyjonasa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.) I meant to appreciate the sensory experience, but I appreciated that none of us became road kill, instead! Ha! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DeWojyJkZvc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: SAN FRANCISCO Sunrise Coffee Club, Tuesday 1/28 7am @ Wave Organ
Great pictures! Thanks. Jason, I might at least try to go out into my unheated garage this weekend and take something for a spin. Our streak of temperature below zero is just about over. Its going to be in the 20s today and some say over freezing by Saturday. For the past few weeks my winter cycling has been buying parts online while sitting in my living room. Scott On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jason Ferrier jason.ferr...@gmail.comwrote: Nice to meet you Chris and Irving! Here's a time lapse of the morning. https://vimeo.com/85318907 Scott - get out there! I grew up in NE Ohio and if I were still there, I would ride over to Cuyahoga Valley and make coffee in the Valley in the snow to learn how much alcohol I need to boil 12oz of water in that temperature! Jason On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:02:52 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: Some of the best coffee rides are solo, by the way. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Really cool idea, hopefully someone will post pictures. I don't think Dayton, Ohio has the ridership or the weather to have a coffee ride. Its warmed up to a balmy -9 so far today. Scott On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.orgwrote: Okay, see some of you tomorrow. Maybe we'll do a ride afterwards. I'd like to hit up Turtle Tower in Little Saigon for breakfast, especially if Tommy doesn't show up. OH SNAP TOMMY On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Irving (boyzonthehoods.com) irvin...@gmail.com wrote: I should be able to make it to this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
+1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think every car should have one. But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!! For now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch) Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack. It weighs about 12 lbs (which is super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack I've owned. BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - SoftRide tailgate pad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP6250001.jpg it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aPB39.jpg $90 online. trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/aP5150001.jpg On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride. Heresy, I know. But at least you would be getting out to ride! Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car? Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion. I know people who, for whatever reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park and then ride. It's still biking and better than notbiking! Joan On 01/27/14, LeahFoyjonasa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, today I set out on the school commute with fresh hopes and clear mind. Today was Lincoln's big debut of riding his 16 inch Specialized Hotrock bike solo. (He is usually hooked onto me via Trail-a-Bike.)
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. Good for them! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think every car should have one. But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!! For now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch) Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack. It weighs about 12 lbs (which is super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack I've owned. BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - SoftRide tailgate pad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP6250001.jpg it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aPB39.jpg $90 online. trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/aP5150001.jpg On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride. Heresy, I know. But at least you would be getting out to ride! Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car? Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion. I know people who, for whatever reason, just live to far from work to bike the whole way so they drive part of the way, park and then ride. It's still biking and better than notbiking! Joan On 01/27/14, LeahFoyjonasa...@gmail.com
Re: [RBW] Roadeo first ride impressions
Ron, that Moser is gorgeous! Very nice. Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!
Glad to hear it! On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back riding my bike a lot sooner than expected! I'll still need a knee replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased mobility. I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. Cecily (the happy biking librarian) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
Wow, Montclairbobbyb. If money was no object THAT is the company I'd get it from! I just looked them up. The NV rack would be perfect. In fact, I'm remembering this for when I need the 4 bike system. I think I have to have it! I began assembly with the crumby instruction manual yesterday. I didn't get very far - my concentration was constantly broken as my small son was helping. He gave up on that rather quickly, found his skateboard and threatened to be smote by passing cars as he gleefully zoomed down our steep driveway and into the street. The time came to get my older son from school and then the time was gone. My husband promises to give me a hand tonight; your prayers would not be wasted on us - this is the man who believes in good enough concerning assembly of stuff. Then there is this famous line of his: Babe! The instructions say it will take 25 steps, but I did it in 18! And look! I even have parts left over! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2014, at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think every car should have one. But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!! For now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch) Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack. It weighs about 12 lbs (which is super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack I've owned. BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - SoftRide tailgate pad it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck $90 online. trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said,
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. Good for them! ROTFL!!! There's a particular Firespray that I'd like to have. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Hotlantis
See there's the bike that needs hot pink bar tape and orange jersey On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:13:08 PM UTC-6, tarik...@gmail.com wrote: All sorts of good from bilenky's flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26208450@N02/12208374003/ anyone's here? laters Tarik -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] 64?cm alrounder fs
I am getting ready to sell my alrounder. It is a 1998 or so, dark green, plain lugs, Waterford made and 64cm? Time to thin the fleet and this one is going. It's in great shape. Anybody have an idea of value? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site
I don't post here often (because *eep* I do not own a Rivendell!) but I just wanted to chime in that the sentiment expressed by Jim I suspect those transactions…are still a small eddy compared the flow of goods from Walnut Creek seems so totally on the mark to me that I wanted to endorse it. I buy new from Riv frequently, but I buy used from here and the BOB list just as frequently. And I feel I have never fallen into a moral crevasse when navigating between those purchasing techniques. Buying new from places that can skim a dollar or two off via economies of scale is an inherently different situation -- those skimmed dollars are more or less being directly taken out of employee benefits and wages. I don't think that's true of the secondhand market. Two unsolicited cents, from Sam in Chicago On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:32:01 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote: Jim, Thank you for being the voice of moderation/reason. Peter M. Yes and a vigorous yes. I will continue to use WTB transactions within my sense of reason. Rivendell's sucess or failure will not be determined by WTB transaction on this list-serve by posters like me. I usually buy directly from Riv but at times I'll first look for something used. If you don't like that then don't respond to my query. If you don't like the WTB transaction it's easy don't use that feature...if your a bottom feeder than hopefully Jim catches you in his net and throws you back into the bay Yet another thing that Jim does that I was unaware of. I wanted to not add to the Vitriol but what the heck it went sideways anyways. ~Hugh WTB whatever Smitham On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:20:28 PM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Please let's back off the V-O comments. Grant has addressed this more than a few times. There's no there there in that discussion. It's hard to fault someone who has a decent piece of gear that they will no longer use, or something they tried out (handlebars, of late, come to mind here) that didn't quite work for them. If they want to post it here on the list, particularly if they are regular and active member of this group, I have to think that their actions come from the right place. And I do think that works from the purchasing end as well. We can't know someone's financial position, and at times in life, the money saved or earned might have go directly to rent or food or care. I suspect those transactions, though during the winter season they seem to particularly flourish, are still a small eddy compared the flow of goods from Walnut Creek. It seems that for a great number of people here - with significant geographic spread - RBW and RBBH are their local bike shops. There are more WTB posts and FS posts which don't hit the list. Those are typically from folks who try to post once and never do so again. Don't know quite how to correlate those, but assume they are trying to find bargain bits for their ebay stores. Having run a retail store for many years, I can attest that there is little more maddening than working with a customer (or watching your staff help someone) who was only using our shop inventory as a showroom for whatever internet company they were planning on buying something through. And it is through that lens that I first view folks posting here that so-and-so has something Riv designed/sells at a hefty discount. Though I do know people who will buy from someone who is literally a dollar cheaper, that's not the way I'm wired. As GP has written, I try to buy from the place I saw something first. In 1994, there weren't a lot of resources around like Rivendell, so it seems appropriate to support them when I can. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Front lowrider rack
I have a nearly new (used for one camping trip in 2013). I also have the Tubus clamps to mount on a fork without mid-blade braze-on. Plus I'm close(ish) to you in Omaha. PM me of you are interested and I can send you pics. Cheers. On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:44:59 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote: Somewhat similar to the discussion of using the Sam Hillborne as a tourer, I'd like to try out some heavier-loaded touring on my Riv Road. I picked up some nice, used panniers but I'd like to try them in a front-lowrider mount. Does anyone have a pannier-compatible front rack they could part with? I prefer steel, I prefer silver finish (but black is acceptable). Similar to the Tubus Tara , or the Nitto Big Front 34F. I plan to mount it with clamps, either P-clamps or the Tubus mid-blade adapter clamps. My Road Standard has thicker gauge 531 fork blades, so these clamps should work fine so long as they're well padded. Currently, I have the M1 Mark's Rack mounted with padded P-clamps, and it works well. Thanks, Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 64?cm alrounder fs
Pictures? 26 wheels I take it? --mike On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:49:57 PM UTC-8, mpot...@att.net wrote: I am getting ready to sell my alrounder. It is a 1998 or so, dark green, plain lugs, Waterford made and 64cm? Time to thin the fleet and this one is going. It's in great shape. Anybody have an idea of value? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] 64?cm alrounder fs
Components van be 1/2 or more of the cost, so what is on your bike? On 1/29/2014 10:49 PM, mpotts...@att.net wrote: I am getting ready to sell my alrounder. It is a 1998 or so, dark green, plain lugs, Waterford made and 64cm? Time to thin the fleet and this one is going. It's in great shape. Anybody have an idea of value? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site
As this thread winds down, I wanted to address a couple o' list/group/bunch-specific comments which cropped up and caught my eye: - There will be no vote regarding the continuation of WTB of FS posts. The reason I added the Transactions - Buy - Sell - Trade tag was so that folks could ignore such posts if they chose to. - As with everything else in this group, the basic assumption is that those posts are made in a positive and supportive manner. The content and tone here relies upon each member. I'd rather deal with things on an individual basis, which has worked well so far. Over the years, all but three list members have responded positively to requests for corrections to tone and content. Which is why this group pretty much rocks. - As others have noted, there's a definite seasonality to list content. It's kinda hard to post ride reports when it's -XX degrees outside. The other tough time is that nasty spring thaw period where it's sloppy and cold but feeling warmer and enticing. Usually a quick pause before posting cures a lot of the issues. Mindfulness requested. - Thanks to Joe for starting this thread. It's important to continue to ask questions about the direction of the group, and there are good many people who have been around since the beginning, whose views are always worth considering. - Thank you to everyone who spoke up during this conversation. Again, the ability of this group to maintain civil discourse (when it's so easy to devolve into nasty sniping in any online venue) is what makes this group so special. - Jim / list admin / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
+1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site
He writes, hopefully... :) On 1/30/2014 10:13 AM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: As this thread winds down, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender. The van version has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and gets around 30mpg hwy. http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/ On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: +1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any kindred spirits in Connecticut?
Not really much to add here, since it's been years that I've lived in the Constitution State (almost 14, to be exact). But Tim, if you are in the New Haven area, you should check out the Devil's Gear Bike Shop. And there is the Elm City Cycling. http://elmcitycycling.org/ And as someone who grew up and spent 2/3s of my life in the New Haven area, I'm curious to exactly what town you live in! Once a Nutmegger, always a Nutmegger, Shawn -- http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/urban-adventure-league-portland http://societyofthreespeeds.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/ http://bikesspottedpdx.tumblr.com/ Un-electronic mail goes here: P O Box 14185, Portland OR 97293-0185 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Biking around Franklin, TN?
Doug, I am in Nashville and would love to meet up for a ride this summer. I don't get out for long rides much, but I hear there are a lot of rides in the Franklin, Leiper's Fork, Santa Fe (pron. Santa Fee!), Fly and other towns in Williamson and Hickman Counties. Up here in Davidson county (where Nashville is) we have two wonderful parks, Edwin Warner and Percy Warner that are adjacent and have over 20 miles of barely trafficked roads in them. They just installed some single track at Percy Warner, if you are interested in that. In Williamson Co (Franklin's county) roads like Old Hillsboro (not to be confused with Hillsboro Pike which has a bike lane, but is not enjoyable for biking), Route 96, Sneed and Moran roads are worth linking up for scenic routes through some real farms and some estates of country music stars. As others have mentioned, the Natchez Trace has hundreds of miles or parkway for scenic riding. The speed limit is 50 which keeps most long distance travelers with their pedal to the metal off onto the interstates. I am going to do a dirt road ride in a few weeks in Hickman county and will report back on the route for you. Email me at dweendaddy at hotmail if you want to link up this summer. Edwin On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:41:35 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: This summer I may be in Franklin, TN (Nashville adjacent) and wondered if anyone in the area could chime in about the biking there. Any all input appreciated. Thanks. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
Make no mistake, David... Nothing in the Galaxy comes close to the Beta... It was worth the 3 month wait... BB On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. Good for them! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: +1 on trailer hitch... I use mine all the time, whether for bike rack, cargo platform, cargo trailer, etc... They just make sense, and I think every car should have one. But I swear... my NEXT car is gonna be a pick-m-up truck for sure!!! For now, I've got the next best thing; a Honda Element (which can haul all kinds of stuff inside, plus my trailer hitch) Actually for folks who only need to haul 1 or 2 bikes on a hitch, I'd strongly recommend the Kuat Beta rack. It weighs about 12 lbs (which is super light), folds up smaller than other racks I've seen, and it has wobble-free adjusters to keep the bikes from boppin around... Nicest rack I've owned. BEST of all, if fits my Honda GoldWing... so I can actually haul a bike on my motorcycle (yes, it does work)... Good luck Leah... I wish I had your weather!!! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:49:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: For any who own pickup trucks, this is a killer and inexpensive option - SoftRide tailgate pad http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP6250001.jpg it will easily fit four bikes across the back of the truck http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aPB39.jpg $90 online. trucks are great - you can load them up with kayaks, too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/aP5150001.jpg On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:20:58 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: My preference is to put my bike(s) inside the vehicle as well, to the extent that I look for vehicles with that capability when I buy them. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: Our family's one car is a Honda Odyssey, the same car Leah has. We bought it because at the time my son and used a tandem for our transportation. We could just pick up the tandem and roll it into the car, without removing wheels or anything of that sort. It is much, much easier to put a bike in a Honda Odyssey than to put it on a rack (provided the third row of seats are folded down, which can be done in 30 seconds). You just pick up the bike and put it in the car. If the Honda Odyssey is transporting four or fewer people and therefore only needs two rows of seats, putting the bike in the car is trivial. If the rear seats are still up, then it becomes more of a nuisance. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com wrote: Putting a bike on a hitch rack is usually easier than putting it inside a vehicle, unless you have a big cargo van without back seats. Just lift the bike onto the rack latch the straps. You don't need to rearrange anything, worry about the bike shifting, or whether two bikes will collide. Many models come with built in locks to use when needed. Michael On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I was just wondering about ease/quickness of carrying. I had a big SUV once upon a time, and loved how easy it was to toss the bike in the back and drive to the park. On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:27:42 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: I can if it's just me and the kids. Disaster if husband comes. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, can you put the bike inside the van, or is there too much kids/stuff in there? On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:48:09 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: Joan, you've just hit in my current plan! Ha! I'm looking at what kind of bike rack my Honda Oddysey (no hitch) would take. I'll be perusing Craigslist in the near future! Yay! Thanks for a judge in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Joan Oppel oppe...@verizon.net wrote: Leah - I really sympathize with the total change your move has made in your biking locale and routine. I almost hesitate to write the following - because it's sort of against the use the bike for as much as possible philosophy. I also should point out that I'm lucky to live in a place where I can do almost any thing by bike from my house. Ok, all that said, here's what I suggest: put the bike on your car and drive to some place to ride. Heresy, I know. But at least you would be getting out to ride! Can you park your car somewhere that would allow you to do errands, grocery shopping, etc by bike and return to the car? Using the car for only part of the trip is still good, in my opinion.
Re: [RBW] FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00
Bump - It doesn't make since to me.. but then... Anyway.. Frame, crank, headset and seat post, original wheels .. or the ones by themselves in the photos... No fenders, saddle, lights, dyno wheel set racks, bag handlebars or stem. 1200.00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
Actually this is all about bike transport... and vehicles like the Transit do play a critical role... I hope Ford doesn't fuddle with it too much... longer wheelbase, yes, more power, yes... more mass-appeal and trim options?... uh uh...I hope not. Leave that 'commercial/utility' look alone, I say... On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:50:09 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote: It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender. The van version has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and gets around 30mpg hwy. http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/ On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org javascript:wrote: +1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?
The Shimano is as good as any. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
The new one looks a bit sleeker and runs on and updated (Focus) chassis, but has plenty of space for bikes and camping gear... The long-wheelbase van features 130.6 cu. ft. of cargo space and can accommodate items up to seven feet long, five feet wide and nearly four feet tall. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Actually this is all about bike transport... and vehicles like the Transit do play a critical role... I hope Ford doesn't fuddle with it too much... longer wheelbase, yes, more power, yes... more mass-appeal and trim options?... uh uh...I hope not. Leave that 'commercial/utility' look alone, I say... On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:50:09 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote: It veers off topic, but I'm in the market for a new bike hauler and the revised/2014 Ford Transit Connect is the top contender. The van version has tons of room for bikes and gear in the back, drives like a Focus, and gets around 30mpg hwy. http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transitconnect-commercial/ On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: +1 on the Honda Element as a rockin' bike mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking
I'm partial to Corellian products. Some may consider them antiquated or pieces of junk, but just like Rivendells, they are thoughtfully designed and infintely uprgradeable. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:37:28 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote: On Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34:43 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't know Kuat was diversifying from selling star destroyers and TIEs. Good for them! ROTFL!!! There's a particular Firespray that I'd like to have. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00
Great price! Oh the trouble I would get into. I just can't On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Bump - It doesn't make since to me.. but then... Anyway.. Frame, crank, headset and seat post, original wheels .. or the ones by themselves in the photos... No fenders, saddle, lights, dyno wheel set racks, bag handlebars or stem. 1200.00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!
Hi Ron, So happy to hear that about your mom! I'm not afraid of the knee replacement. The sooner they do it, the better, as far as I'm concerned. My only obstacle is the ridiculously long wait times for this surgery in British Columbia. On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:57:42 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: Cecily, my Mom had the knee replacement last fall at a truthfully spry 80. Her knee canted sideways - it was horrible to look at before. Straight as an arrow now and she was doing everything by Christmas better than she did before. We're delighted you're riding, but don't be afraid of the knee replacement - the work that goes with recovery is already built into your psyche. On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:26:23 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote: Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back riding my bike a lot sooner than expected! I'll still need a knee replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased mobility. I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. Cecily (the happy biking librarian) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
The Blug notes that there's a stash of small bike frames-- even a 47-cm Saluki. It might be worthwhile for her to talk to Riv-- they also seem quite good at steering folks to other venues if the price and/or style would better suit the customer. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:14:16 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Hi Anne, I'm 5'2 and have a 75cm PBH. 50/51 Rivs fit perfectly; specifically my 50 saluki and 51 protobleriot. The little Hunq I rode at Riv also fit well (not sure what size Hunq's come in). Given the little frames at Riv, I would see if you can get your friend to go visit with you under the guise of looking at lots of options so she knows she's making a good decision. What's her time frame? liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
A 47cm 'Luki would be an fantastic bike!!! Something w/ 650B wheels would best in that size to avoid TCO. Also right now on ebay is this incredibly awesome bike: http://www.ebay.com/itm/131105366157 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:27:03 AM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote: The Blug notes that there's a stash of small bike frames-- even a 47-cm Saluki. It might be worthwhile for her to talk to Riv-- they also seem quite good at steering folks to other venues if the price and/or style would better suit the customer. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:14:16 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00
That would be the perfect bike to cruise around the San Diego harbor on...! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:54 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote: Great price! Oh the trouble I would get into. I just can't On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Kelly tksl...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Bump - It doesn't make since to me.. but then... Anyway.. Frame, crank, headset and seat post, original wheels .. or the ones by themselves in the photos... No fenders, saddle, lights, dyno wheel set racks, bag handlebars or stem. 1200.00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
I don't know this woman personally. If I did, we'd be making the trip to Walnut Creek! She's a member of my bike club, Western Wheelers. My bike club is filled with wonderful people who love to ride, but mostly they are riding these racing-type bikes. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Hi Anne, I'm 5'2 and have a 75cm PBH. 50/51 Rivs fit perfectly; specifically my 50 saluki and 51 protobleriot. The little Hunq I rode at Riv also fit well (not sure what size Hunq's come in). Given the little frames at Riv, I would see if you can get your friend to go visit with you under the guise of looking at lots of options so she knows she's making a good decision. What's her time frame? liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Explosion of Lycra and Carbon on Mt. Diablo!
OMG! Lycra-clad racers will be climbing to the top of Rivendell's own Mount Diablo on May 13! http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/cities/mt-diablo-st-park.html --Eric Norris Email: campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My buddy last year sold his too large (for his new wife) Cannondale tandem, and bought a great smaller used steel Santana. They're both very happy with the bike and we ride together frequently, which keeps me chasing them very hard down hills. They trained last summer to ride Donner Pass in the fall, and we made some strenuous 2300' climbs in the summer Texas hill country. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17:51 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag.comjavascript: wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/ domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing? url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag.com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because
[RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Doesn't the handlebar height change effective reach? This makes it all more important to talk to the folks at Rivendell. They can guide her based on PBH. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I didn't catch the re-listing. A few sizes too small for me as well, praise the briny depths! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:05:11 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: ...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Explosion of Lycra and Carbon on Mt. Diablo!
It's the Epogen Tour of California! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:41:16 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: OMG! Lycra-clad racers will be climbing to the top of Rivendell’s own Mount Diablo on May 13! http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/cities/mt-diablo-st-park.html --Eric Norris Email: campyo...@me.com javascript: Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Rachel and I had too great a height difference (captain SH 83cm, stoker 63cm) for a production tandem, so we were in custom or Bike Friday waters. We went Bike Friday in the end. If we were to do it over, I think we would find the tallest frame the stoker could straddle and then hack the captain's quarters to work. Or perhaps try a used Friday. It would have been nice to get some tandem experience before committing to a frame. The Friday certainly has advantages when it comes to storage and transport, though! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't catch the re-listing. A few sizes too small for me as well, praise the briny depths! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:05:11 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: ...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Correct-- angle between seat tube and the ground (i.e., 90 degrees is vertical, and the Trek has a closer to vertical seat post than the San Marcos). The bigger angle BY ITSELF would bring the rider closer to the handlebars, BUT the rider would [generally] move the saddle backward to get a more comfortable position to the bottom bracket. Here's some from Grant: http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=73 And then, as Patrick points out, there's handle bar height to further complicate the geometry. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/ domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing? url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag. com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] WTB or trade: your dusty 55 or 58cm BOSCO
Hey: What model h-bars are they? I have a brand new in the wrapping set of 55 Boscos (the $65 ones.) I am interested! Cheers, Patrick Shea On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:38 AM, lukeheller heller.l...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to help my bro-in-law get free on his bike I gave him last year. He's been running Jeff jones h-bars but wants to get higher and closer. Have a set collecting dust? Will happily buy or trade! His h-bars are not 31.8... Pretty sure they're 25.4 but not certain. Need to sweeten the deal? Could throw in a set of bontrager race lite 620mm wide bars, 25.4 clamp, minor sweep back. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I have a 1993 Burley tandem with cantilevers. I am running 700x32 and upgraded the bike to a freehub setup and 9 speed. Also got longer seatposts, a threaded stem extension and 48cm noodles. We enjoy this bike but I wouldn't recommend it if you have other options. It's very heavy, probably 50lbs dry, and it handles like an old truck. I've had some white knuckle moments with it for sure. Easily the worst handling bike I have ever ridden. But it's the tandem we have, so we ride it. On Jan 30, 2014 12:39 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
People of normal height seem not to have to worry about seat-tube angles! For those of us who are height-challenged, it makes a lot of difference. As Rivendell has noted since the beginning, it's very hard to make a small bike with 700c wheels and a comfortable seat-tube angle. Most road bikes in the smallest sizes have very steep seat-tube angles -- 74 or 75 degrees. It puts one much more forward relative to the position of the bottom bracket, which in turn puts more of your weight going forward, and on your hands/wrists/palms. It's not very comfortable (at least not for me). What Shoji is saying is that riders of small bikes move their saddles backwards as far as possible -- in order to compensate for the steep angle of the seat-tube. This lengthens the distance between the saddle and the bars. So, an effective top-tube length of 51cm would become something more like 53 or 54cm. But, that's in theory! In practice, you have to find a seatpost that will allow you to move your saddle back that far. The 47cm Saluki has a nice seattube angle -- 73, I believe? You can sit up and ride no-handed without a problem. My other small road bikes have 74 and 75 degree angles. I've got the saddles slammed all the way back as far as they'll go. I rode for days with a crazy squeak that I couldn't figure out. I finally realized it was the saddle -- it was way past the danger point on the rails. I've moved it back up to within safe limits. Anyway, angles make a huge difference! Cheers, -- Liz p.s. Don't freak out at the idea of a small road bike with 700c wheels. They can work. The diameter of my 650b wheels (with 32mm tires) are pretty much exactly the same as 25mm tires on 700c wheels. Some of the skinnier 650b tires make a difference, though. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/ domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing? url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag. com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Thanks, Elizabeth. Excellent explanation. This woman needs to go over to Rivendell and test ride some bikes. But I'm pretty sure she won't. She'll follow the herd and buy a carbon bike that only fits 25 cm tires, and has a steep seat tube that throws her forward. Because weight. Seems to me those steep seat tube angle bikes must descend funny. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com wrote: People of normal height seem not to have to worry about seat-tube angles! For those of us who are height-challenged, it makes a lot of difference. As Rivendell has noted since the beginning, it's very hard to make a small bike with 700c wheels and a comfortable seat-tube angle. Most road bikes in the smallest sizes have very steep seat-tube angles -- 74 or 75 degrees. It puts one much more forward relative to the position of the bottom bracket, which in turn puts more of your weight going forward, and on your hands/wrists/palms. It's not very comfortable (at least not for me). What Shoji is saying is that riders of small bikes move their saddles backwards as far as possible -- in order to compensate for the steep angle of the seat-tube. This lengthens the distance between the saddle and the bars. So, an effective top-tube length of 51cm would become something more like 53 or 54cm. But, that's in theory! In practice, you have to find a seatpost that will allow you to move your saddle back that far. The 47cm Saluki has a nice seattube angle -- 73, I believe? You can sit up and ride no-handed without a problem. My other small road bikes have 74 and 75 degree angles. I've got the saddles slammed all the way back as far as they'll go. I rode for days with a crazy squeak that I couldn't figure out. I finally realized it was the saddle -- it was way past the danger point on the rails. I've moved it back up to within safe limits. Anyway, angles make a huge difference! Cheers, -- Liz p.s. Don't freak out at the idea of a small road bike with 700c wheels. They can work. The diameter of my 650b wheels (with 32mm tires) are pretty much exactly the same as 25mm tires on 700c wheels. Some of the skinnier 650b tires make a difference, though. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/do mane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url= int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEF RVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag. com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Surly Pacer is available in small sizes. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:14:16 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
What’s the standover on your Saluki, Liesl? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Liesl Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:08 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman Liz, you're nailing it right on the head about the importance of seat tube angles for people who are not as tall as a lot of other people! my guess is that for someone who's 5'2 like me, a 47 would be too small. as a related aside, I'm guessing I might be selling my red 50 Saluki when the custom arrives. teaser photo attached -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
good one on the Pacer recommendation, Jim! Have a short friend who loves hers. Crosscheck too? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Anne my friend Stack and Reach are the numbers that allow you to make those comparisons. Trek lists them directly. For Riv we have to calculate them Trek: Stack = 52.7cm Reach = 36.4cm San Marcos 51: Stack = 53.9cm Reach = 38.8cm San Marcos 47: Stack = 50.0cm Reach = 38.6cm The reach on the Rivs is longer, and the reach between the two Rivs is about the same. On a 51 San Marcos, she can get the bars a lot higher. On a 47 she could still get higher because she'll be running a quill stem. If you want me to explain the math or write you a spreadsheet, you know where to find me Bill On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:37:59 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag.comjavascript: wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site
Very late to the game here. Apologies if the dust has settled and the wagon train has moved on. Just wanted to say I placed an order from Riv this afternoon after debating an Ebay purchase for the same item at virtually the same price. I thought the advantage to Ebay was the ability to use PayPal until I noticed that Riv accepts that now. (Where have I been?) Seeing that, it was a no-brainer to shop at Riv, and I added a couple small things to the order. Not sure that has been discussed in this thread, but buying and selling bits and pieces via PayPal keeps my bikebits cash flow in one place. It's a self-imposed discipline that I can only spend what I have in the PP account, and I can only add to the account if I sell something first. (Not all bike-related.) Keeps everything in check for the most part. I'm guessing many of us do the same. Order confirmation came through immediately, and less than an hour later an email saying my order had shipped. NO-ONE beats that! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Thanks Anne, et al, for starting this thread. My 'life partner' (about 5'2) has had a 51cm/26 wheel Rambouillet for a decade, which she loves. I finally got it set up right for her (a few years back) with short reach drops and a *5* cm stem -- no way to make the top tube shorter! I've been looking for a rain bike frame for her for awhileand was mostly looking for older Schwinns and Treks with nice tubing. But I hadn't considered the Soma San Marcos: very interesting, particularly the very slack seat angle! (I'm using a high-setback seatpost on my partner's bike, rather than the nice Nitto it came with) Does anyone know if one can fit 38mm tires (would like to use the Soma B-lines) on that bike *with* fenders? That's the design goal of the bike I want to build for her... By the way: true that the Pacers come small, but look at that seat angle! (75.5) That's going to make the top tube *very* long, once you get the bike set up comfortably! (notice that the reach is almost the same on the 42cm frame as on the 54cm.. only .4 inches=1cm difference) If these frames can take 38s plus fenders, I'm going to start selling old frames to finance one... Art Tacoma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Possibly, Anne, but thanks to you she will at least know there is an option less, though more happily, traveled. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:07:24 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Thanks, Elizabeth. Excellent explanation. This woman needs to go over to Rivendell and test ride some bikes. But I'm pretty sure she won't. She'll follow the herd and buy a carbon bike that only fits 25 cm tires, and has a steep seat tube that throws her forward. Because weight. Seems to me those steep seat tube angle bikes must descend funny. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood elisabeth...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: People of normal height seem not to have to worry about seat-tube angles! For those of us who are height-challenged, it makes a lot of difference. As Rivendell has noted since the beginning, it's very hard to make a small bike with 700c wheels and a comfortable seat-tube angle. Most road bikes in the smallest sizes have very steep seat-tube angles -- 74 or 75 degrees. It puts one much more forward relative to the position of the bottom bracket, which in turn puts more of your weight going forward, and on your hands/wrists/palms. It's not very comfortable (at least not for me). What Shoji is saying is that riders of small bikes move their saddles backwards as far as possible -- in order to compensate for the steep angle of the seat-tube. This lengthens the distance between the saddle and the bars. So, an effective top-tube length of 51cm would become something more like 53 or 54cm. But, that's in theory! In practice, you have to find a seatpost that will allow you to move your saddle back that far. The 47cm Saluki has a nice seattube angle -- 73, I believe? You can sit up and ride no-handed without a problem. My other small road bikes have 74 and 75 degree angles. I've got the saddles slammed all the way back as far as they'll go. I rode for days with a crazy squeak that I couldn't figure out. I finally realized it was the saddle -- it was way past the danger point on the rails. I've moved it back up to within safe limits. Anyway, angles make a huge difference! Cheers, -- Liz p.s. Don't freak out at the idea of a small road bike with 700c wheels. They can work. The diameter of my 650b wheels (with 32mm tires) are pretty much exactly the same as 25mm tires on 700c wheels. Some of the skinnier 650b tires make a difference, though. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/do mane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url= int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEF RVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag. com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
A few years ago, Grant mentioned a Riv tandem, but he wasn't sure that there would be enough demand because of the cost. We bought a used custom 1996 Santana Noventa (fillet brazed Columbus Nivacrom) built for a couple in Denver, CO. I had a hard time finding a used tandem that would give me high enough handlebars and accommodate the 16cm difference in saddle height. My wife doesn't ride in the drops because of a few fused vertebrae in her neck, so was thinking about trying moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer to make her ride more comfortable. I tried to fit a Thudbuster ST under her saddle, but her legs are too short. I am pretty sure that I can fit a 700x32 tire without having the wheel tweaked. I may upgrade the brakes to Paul Mini-Moto before the big ride. Here is a link to a pic of the Lavender Limo... http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/005.jpg RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last day through the hills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My little brother (not a Riv rider... yet.) and his wife took a purple Santana tandem on RAGBRAI last year. They made it without killing each other. I'll keep an eye out for your Lavender Limo. Tim RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last day through the hills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne on Craigslist in central Oklahoma
My Hillborne is off the market. I had no offers and not surprised. I was asking a lot, but I had to for what I have in it. I had to get my money's worth or what was value to me. I have no problem keeping for another summer of riding...and probably more in the future. I learned an important lesson in trying to sell the Sam. Be happy with what you have than what you don't have. Yesterday I purchased Albastache bars and will give them a whirl around town. I am replacing my Moustaches. I want to see what all of the hype is about. I believe the hype will be true. I will post a ride report when warm enough to ride. A good comparison between the two. I may be selling my moustaches...they are not sold anymore by Rivendell (haha...see Horse-trading thread...Joking...it is hard to express our intentions through typed letter.) Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
As has been pointed out having the stoker coast is only possible only the DaVinci independent coasting system. OK I guess, and many people like it but I wouldn't recommend it. Do a lot of research before you buy because a lot of what you take for granted about riding a single is not applicable to a double. My wife, Pat, and I love riding the tandem, but there is a saying in the tandem world - whatever direction your relationship is headed in, it will get there faster on a tandem! Riding a tandem requires a lot of communication, coordination and compromise. The team needs to come to agreement on cadence and gears. The captain needs to keep the stoker informed of everything that is about to happen. Front end shifting requires both riders to relax and reengage at the same time. In the tandem world, the stoker is always right rules, and things go better when the pilot relaxes and gives the stoker control. Just go as far and as fast as your partner wants. Our tandem is a 26 wheel custom Bilenky, SS coupled travel tandem. I'm pretty sure most RBW riders would much prefer a 26 or 650b tandem. Santana and CoMotion are the big sellers in this market and both design their 700c bikes around 28mm tires! Considering that all but the lightest teams will be well over 300 lbs. that's bizarre. Our fully loaded touring tandem is well in excess of 400 lbs but handles very easily. If you want a new coupled tandem Bilenkey is the way to go. Tandems require more stand over for the pilot because he must straddle the bike with his legs spread apart while the stoker climbs on and clips in (another tandem must). Smaller wheels are stronger, create more tire clearance, and and offer more stand over. Also, another rule of thumb says a tandem will cost three times as much as a single of comparable quality. There's a web site dedicate to selling used tandems, but i have lost track of the url. Also, check out the tan...@hobbes.edu.org discussion, but it has a decidedly racing slant. Also check out John Pamela Blayles web site for a wealth of good info. http://www.blayleys.com/index.htm Michael On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:39:50 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
I haven't fit checked 38mm tires on the San Marcos yet, but I intend to with my Lierre-clad wheels. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Possibly, Anne, but thanks to you she will at least know there is an option less, though more happily, traveled. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:07:24 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Thanks, Elizabeth. Excellent explanation. This woman needs to go over to Rivendell and test ride some bikes. But I'm pretty sure she won't. She'll follow the herd and buy a carbon bike that only fits 25 cm tires, and has a steep seat tube that throws her forward. Because weight. Seems to me those steep seat tube angle bikes must descend funny. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood elisabeth...@gmail.com wrote: People of normal height seem not to have to worry about seat-tube angles! For those of us who are height-challenged, it makes a lot of difference. As Rivendell has noted since the beginning, it's very hard to make a small bike with 700c wheels and a comfortable seat-tube angle. Most road bikes in the smallest sizes have very steep seat-tube angles -- 74 or 75 degrees. It puts one much more forward relative to the position of the bottom bracket, which in turn puts more of your weight going forward, and on your hands/wrists/palms. It's not very comfortable (at least not for me). What Shoji is saying is that riders of small bikes move their saddles backwards as far as possible -- in order to compensate for the steep angle of the seat-tube. This lengthens the distance between the saddle and the bars. So, an effective top-tube length of 51cm would become something more like 53 or 54cm. But, that's in theory! In practice, you have to find a seatpost that will allow you to move your saddle back that far. The 47cm Saluki has a nice seattube angle -- 73, I believe? You can sit up and ride no-handed without a problem. My other small road bikes have 74 and 75 degree angles. I've got the saddles slammed all the way back as far as they'll go. I rode for days with a crazy squeak that I couldn't figure out. I finally realized it was the saddle -- it was way past the danger point on the rails. I've moved it back up to within safe limits. Anyway, angles make a huge difference! Cheers, -- Liz p.s. Don't freak out at the idea of a small road bike with 700c wheels. They can work. The diameter of my 650b wheels (with 32mm tires) are pretty much exactly the same as 25mm tires on 700c wheels. Some of the skinnier 650b tires make a difference, though. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/do mane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?url=in t/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEF RVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag.com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Here's Jimmy's graphic to explain the principle of how a shorter top tube can feel longer in GIF form. http://www.biketinker.com/2011/bike-resources/bike-fit-geometry-relationships/ Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:40:49 PM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Correct-- angle between seat tube and the ground (i.e., 90 degrees is vertical, and the Trek has a closer to vertical seat post than the San Marcos). The bigger angle BY ITSELF would bring the rider closer to the handlebars, BUT the rider would [generally] move the saddle backward to get a more comfortable position to the bottom bracket. Here's some from Grant: http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=73 And then, as Patrick points out, there's handle bar height to further complicate the geometry. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Anne, The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.) The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat tube angle is 74.6 degrees! Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. Confused? Just [Test] Ride! Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller sizes had 26 wheels. --shoji On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike: http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/ domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing? url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0 And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag. com wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comwrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
In the SF Bay Area, there are a couple (a few?) Ibis tandems on Craigslist right now. And some cheaper Santana ones. A cool old British one. Maryland looks a little bleaker: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bik/4272347660.html http://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/4295097541.html Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:36:23 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Soma Fab makes their ES road frame in sizes down to a 47. http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/es She could get one built up at American Cyclery in SF. It will fit 32mm tires and can get built with reasonable gearing. mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!
Cecily, any time you feel like riding in a dress for the cussedness of it, you do it! Next time I come up with a particular fetching outfit and ride for the cussedness of it, I'm gonna think of you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Re. the Soma San Marcos, I think the geometry figures with respect to the seat-tube angle are incorrect -- there's just no way that every size frame has a seat-tube angle of 71.5! And I've NEVER seen a small road bike where that's even possible. -- Liz On Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:51:58 PM UTC-5, art wrote: Thanks Anne, et al, for starting this thread. My 'life partner' (about 5'2) has had a 51cm/26 wheel Rambouillet for a decade, which she loves. I finally got it set up right for her (a few years back) with short reach drops and a *5* cm stem -- no way to make the top tube shorter! I've been looking for a rain bike frame for her for awhileand was mostly looking for older Schwinns and Treks with nice tubing. But I hadn't considered the Soma San Marcos: very interesting, particularly the very slack seat angle! (I'm using a high-setback seatpost on my partner's bike, rather than the nice Nitto it came with) Does anyone know if one can fit 38mm tires (would like to use the Soma B-lines) on that bike *with* fenders? That's the design goal of the bike I want to build for her... By the way: true that the Pacers come small, but look at that seat angle! (75.5) That's going to make the top tube *very* long, once you get the bike set up comfortably! (notice that the reach is almost the same on the 42cm frame as on the 54cm.. only .4 inches=1cm difference) If these frames can take 38s plus fenders, I'm going to start selling old frames to finance one... Art Tacoma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
Hi Anne, I'm 5'2 (and 1/2 or so). Somewhat shorter legs; longer torso than is standard for women, I suspect. I've found that road bikes with effective top tubes between 50.5cm and 52cm can all work. Anything longer than that, and no... I had a 48cm Sam. Unquestionably too big. It had a 54cm effective top tube. Really unworkable as a road bike (and, frankly, too big as an upright hybrid as well.) I would also say that the San Marcos would probably be too big. From Riv's geometry chart, it says that the effective top tube is 53.5cm, which too me is just way too close to 54cm. (The geometry chart also says, though, that the seat-tube angle is 71.5. I have a hard time imagining it could possibly be that relaxed -- I've never seen anything like that possible in small frames, but who knows...) I have a Jamis Quest Femme in a 48 that fits very, very well. I like it very much as a road bike! It's a steel frame with carbon fork. When I decided to get a real road bike, I was looking at the Bianchi Vigorelli as well, which comes in a stated 46cm frame, which I think has a 50.5 effective top tube. (I have a Bianchi San Jose in their smallest size, which has the same frame -- it fits PERFECTLY.) (I went with the Jamis because I worked at a shop that sold Jamises and really couldn't justify turning down the staff pricing...) Anyway, both Jamis and Bianchi have various levels of steel (and non-steel) road bikes in 47-48cm frames. Given her height, I wouldn't even consider a 50cm frame! I believe Felt also has frames in very small sizes (with 650c wheels). Aluminium and carbon frames only (no steel), though, I believe. Good luck, -- Liz S. Washington, DC On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:21:41 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos. She's about 5'4, and the 51cm fits her pretty well. It has a 51cm top tube. It's available in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly. The San Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo. Plus, the color is magnificent. Tim On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Explosion of Lycra and Carbon on Mt. Diablo!
For a moment I thought there was some kind of detonation that took out Spandexers. Effete as some of them might be, I wouldn't want to see anything happen to them. Tom On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:41:16 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: OMG! Lycra-clad racers will be climbing to the top of Rivendell’s own Mount Diablo on May 13! http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/cities/mt-diablo-st-park.html --Eric Norris Email: campyo...@me.com javascript: Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS - 64cm Atlantis
With a pending purchase of a 60cm Saluki I need to sell off this gorgeous yet slightly too big for me Atlantis. Is this the Atlantis you've been waiting for?!? A Toyo built (#678) frame that Keven at Riv told me is probably from 2003-2004 timeframe. I am the second owner and it was reportedly bought in the DC area from a local distributor. Overall the frame is in good shape for its age, there are chainsuck scars on the drive side chainstay, hard to see with the crankset installed (email for pictures). I'll shoot some details of any blemishes I can find over the weekend, bottom line is it's a bike thats been used but still show's great. Random stories and images on my blog; http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/search/label/Rivendell%20Atlantis I'll get a proper gallery up by Saturday. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7RiNKo6Y7qQ/Ut5sIUqO9SI/DGQ/RuEQK8JVgD8/s1600/RAD_1040.jpg *$2,100 As described below* Alexandria VA/ DC Metro Area preferred, but willing to ship (buyer pays actual shipping). Willing to part out or sell frame only, make an offer. 700C Wheelset (handbuilt by me, ~750ish miles): Front, Shimano DH-3N72 Dyno (Generator) 36h Hub, Velocity Dyad, Double butted spokes Rear, Shimano XT T780 36h Hub, Velocity Dyad, Double butted spokes Cockpit (your choice of one): Albatross w/ SR Stem, Shimano MTB Brake levers, Shimano 8/9 speed bar-ends Noodles 46(maybe 44), Shimano Aero Levers, Shimano 8/9 speed bar-ends *I can wrap either in inner tubes and if requested do a cotton tape job as well Crankset (your choice of one): Sugino Triple (not pictured) TA Specialities Zephyr with lockring and TA Axix BB (needs bearing replacement) (+$100 over price above) *Shimano UN55 sealed bottom bracket, 100miles Pedals: Grip King/MKS Lamba Seatpost/Saddle: SR Seatpost No Saddle (I can dig something up if necessary) Drive Train: Front Derailleur – Suntour ARX Rear Derailleur – Shimano XT M771 9 Spd Chain – Shimano SLX HG73 9 Spd (~750 miles) Tires: (both included) 2x Kenda Small Block Eight 700Cx54 (2.1) Tires (these things rock!) 2x Nomad Resist 700cx45 (42 measured) 2 sets of ultra light q tubes 1 spare 700C q tube (maybe 2 spares, I need to check) Accessories: SKS Chromoplast (silver with black stripe) Fenders (not longboards) Incredibell BM Cyo Premium (brand new - +$70 over price above) Nitto M12 and Wald basket (+$100... I'd rather keep these) * 10 Speed Option - +75 over price above (I'd keep the 9 speed stuff) 5600 Shimano 105 left and right STI shifter Front Derailleur Rear Derailleur (mid cage) 10 speed Tiagra 12-30 cassette 10 speed 105 5701 Chain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
There's definitely a way to make the seat tube angle 71.5 on all the bikes, and since Grant likes a seat tube angle of 71.5, and he's the designer, that's what the bikes have. But notice, if you make the seat tube angle more relaxed on a smaller bike, that necessarily moves the saddle backwards and makes the top tube longer. And that's why Grant's small bikes have longer top tubes: precisely because of the slacker seat tube. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com wrote: Re. the Soma San Marcos, I think the geometry figures with respect to the seat-tube angle are incorrect -- there's just no way that every size frame has a seat-tube angle of 71.5! And I've NEVER seen a small road bike where that's even possible. -- Liz On Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:51:58 PM UTC-5, art wrote: Thanks Anne, et al, for starting this thread. My 'life partner' (about 5'2) has had a 51cm/26 wheel Rambouillet for a decade, which she loves. I finally got it set up right for her (a few years back) with short reach drops and a *5* cm stem -- no way to make the top tube shorter! I've been looking for a rain bike frame for her for awhileand was mostly looking for older Schwinns and Treks with nice tubing. But I hadn't considered the Soma San Marcos: very interesting, particularly the very slack seat angle! (I'm using a high-setback seatpost on my partner's bike, rather than the nice Nitto it came with) Does anyone know if one can fit 38mm tires (would like to use the Soma B-lines) on that bike *with* fenders? That's the design goal of the bike I want to build for her... By the way: true that the Pacers come small, but look at that seat angle! (75.5) That's going to make the top tube *very* long, once you get the bike set up comfortably! (notice that the reach is almost the same on the 42cm frame as on the 54cm.. only .4 inches=1cm difference) If these frames can take 38s plus fenders, I'm going to start selling old frames to finance one... Art Tacoma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
As a stoker, I have to chime in. I've tried like 5-6 different tandems and here's what I know: It does make a difference in how fast you want to go- the lightest frame will go very fast. However- you really have to check your brakes because when you go downhill on a tandem, you go much, much faster and can easily burn out your brakes. Bike Friday tandems are different from regular tandems (I find them a bit more rickety; my (sadly, now deceased) captain found them more fun to bike). Riv-style tires (ie the wide tires) are a pain to put in most tandems (I know, because I once asked if I could put hetres in one of them). And, if you're over 6' and your stoker is over 5'6 a majority of tandems are going to be too small for you. Bike Fridays get around the height issues because most of them can be adjusted for varying heights, but IMO, they feel very different from the solid frames. There really is no such thing as no pedaling, unless you have independent pedaling systems. Also, you really don't want the stoker to not pedal, because otherwise it will be like biking with a er... dead weight in the back. And don't even think of not pedaling as a captain unless you want your stoker to really, really hate you. (Don't ask me how I know :) It's really more about working together more than anything. In the long rides, one of us (but not both) would inevitably get tired, and it really helped that the other one had a bit more energy than the other- the tired one would just lightly go through the movements while the other one would pedal harder. That way we sort of took breaks without stopping. You cant do this as a captain, but a stoker can pretty much ride without really having to lean weight on arms/hands (unless you are planning on racing). In short, the captain does all the steering and balancing - looking out for traffic, braking, stopping. The stoker provides the engine - pedaling. (My least favorite question is does she really pedal? she really isn't pedaling, right?). It took me a while to let go of not being able to brake- I like to go more slowly and take less risks- but eventually I just trusted the captain to do things right. (And he, more or less, trusted me to pedal when I should be pedaling.) I've done 33 miles, 45+ miles, and a metric century (about 66 miles) on a tandem. The last one took about 6+ hours and that may be a bit much for a stoker. i know it was a bit much for me- mostly because I could not *imagine* spending more than 6 hours on a bike. Plus, staring at back of one's helmet or bum for 6+ hours can get a little tiresome...one thing that helps on such ride is having the stoker read maps/be the backseat rider. In the winter, one advantage as a stoker is that one never really has to face the wind chills as the captain is a good draft blocker...ha. My favorite thing as a stoker was being able to take photos that I otherwise would never be able to take on my single bicycle. I would suggest trying out a rental or borrowed tandem first, doing a few city rides, and if you do get one, try using it for commutes or nights out, and then gradually moving to longer weekend rides. And if you end up hating it, don't feel bad. You won't be the first couple who hates it- everyone has a different cycling style. I know one couple who tried a tandem and it took them a while to say that it was not for them and they're still together. Here's a list of tandems I've tried: vintage Gitane (sold) Burley Paso Doble- best for long distance Bike Friday Family Tandem Traveler (sold) vintage Santana (so old they didn't list it in their catalogue) - best for city rides Bike Friday Tandem Traveler XL - best if you want to fly around and take your tandem with you rentals/test rides: Burley Duet Hase Pino (this is a weird tandem in which the stoker is a recumbent in front and the captain steers in the back. This is fun until you go downhill and the stoker realizes that trying not to fall off the bike might be more of a challenge.) Stoker cam (as I like to call it) pics at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157624509288453/ Also, I don't know where you are but if you are in Maryland, Mt. Airy Bicycles might be worth going to test out a bunch of tandems. They aren't the cheapest but iirc, they have a lot of variety- new and used and you can try out a bunch of them. Here's the link: http://www.bike123.com/ Hope that helps, Eunice On Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:36:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: [RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
The smaller San Marcos frames also have 650b wheels, which gives Grant even more wiggle room to design a slack seat angle. Like Anne said, the seat tube is longer because the seat tube angle really is that relaxed. Longer chainstays helps a designer too. In smaller frames, short chainstays + big wheels = steep seat tube angle. I'm sorry for the misinformation earlier; the 51cm top tube measurement is inside-to-inside, not c-to-c. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Thanks, Eunice! Stokercam is really cool. Fun pics! Thanks for the info. I live in Ellicott City, Maryland and I know where Mt. Airy Bikes is. I have only been there once though, but not inside. My wife is a 5'3, 11mph, casual commuter, and I thought it would be fun to bring her along for century rides, and she could do as much or as little pedaling as she liked. But looks like that is not how tandems work. I see there is much more involvement, and I can also see how even if she could stop pedaling, that might be even harder on your body to just sit still on a bike ride of great lengths. I'll have to rethink. Maybe I can just take her on the shorter rides century organizers usually offer and tag along with her. I think, pedaling herself, she would only want to go 40 miles tops. She's not into distance, but thinks that flat long rides below 40 miles would be fun for her. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
And for the list: The technical discussion in Riv Reader #26 is Grant's treastise on this subject. How handlebar height affects how far the bars are from you, and why that means top tube length is something you shouldn't harp on. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote: The smaller San Marcos frames also have 650b wheels, which gives Grant even more wiggle room to design a slack seat angle. Like Anne said, the seat tube is longer because the seat tube angle really is that relaxed. Longer chainstays helps a designer too. In smaller frames, short chainstays + big wheels = steep seat tube angle. I'm sorry for the misinformation earlier; the 51cm top tube measurement is inside-to-inside, not c-to-c. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
The Salsa Vaya is also worth a look. It uses 26 inch wheels in the smaller sizes. Dan Abelson On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote: And for the list: The technical discussion in Riv Reader #26 is Grant's treastise on this subject. How handlebar height affects how far the bars are from you, and why that means top tube length is something you shouldn't harp on. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com wrote: The smaller San Marcos frames also have 650b wheels, which gives Grant even more wiggle room to design a slack seat angle. Like Anne said, the seat tube is longer because the seat tube angle really is that relaxed. Longer chainstays helps a designer too. In smaller frames, short chainstays + big wheels = steep seat tube angle. I'm sorry for the misinformation earlier; the 51cm top tube measurement is inside-to-inside, not c-to-c. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any kindred spirits in Connecticut?
Thanks for the input guys. Ted, I'll try to get up to RI for some of those Sunday rides. They sound great. And Shawn, I'm is KC native in Milford now. I tell Toto quite often that we're not in Kansas anymore. It's much different here but it has been a wonderful experience! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
We ride a Bilenky lugged steel tandem. We also have an aluminum Cannondale and my wife (stoker) says the steel bike is much more comfortable. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:39:50 -0800 From: john11.2...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems? And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions
Beautiful bike, Paul. A few years ago, I thought that a Soma San Marcos would give be enough of a Riv fix to get me by for a while. Since I bought the Atlantis last Summer, I have been tempted to see what the other end of the Riv spectrum is like. At 6', 170 lbs, and 89 PBH, it is nice to know that the 61 is the way to go (my Atlantis is also a 61). How is the reach to the down-tube bosses and what is the length of the stem that you are using? I have talked to cyclist that have ridden both the San Marcos and the Rambouillet, but I have never heard of a comparison between the San Marcos and the Rodeo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any kindred spirits in Connecticut?
Ah, Milford. I spent many a youthful summer day at Silver Sands. (And at Connecticut Post too, but that doesn't sound as nice.) I imagine there's some decent riding when you get north of there, through Orange and into Woodbridge and Bethany. Or maybe just one summer day ride out to Charles Island (of course, when it's low tide.) -Shawn No one actually looks at email signatures anymore, but here goes nothing: http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/urban-adventure-league-portland http://societyofthreespeeds.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/ http://bikesspottedpdx.tumblr.com/ Un-electronic mail goes here: P O Box 14185, Portland OR 97293-0185 On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Tim tim.ki...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the input guys. Ted, I'll try to get up to RI for some of those Sunday rides. They sound great. And Shawn, I'm is KC native in Milford now. I tell Toto quite often that we're not in Kansas anymore. It's much different here but it has been a wonderful experience! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/CZoRIaVkk8o/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2 woman
My wife is 5'-2 and rides a 47 cm Atlantis. The TT is around 51 cm, c-c. I didn't try to account for the slightly sloping top tube. On the blug Riv mentions having 47 cm Salukis. That would make a really nice road bike. dougP On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:14:16 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested some issues she ought to think about. Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike. I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars! I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm. Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam would be in her price range. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Explosion of Lycra and Carbon on Mt. Diablo!
Likely they'll be sticking to the paved roads will miss all the interesting stuff we see in the photos from list members. Their loss. dougP On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:41:16 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: OMG! Lycra-clad racers will be climbing to the top of Rivendell’s own Mount Diablo on May 13! http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/cities/mt-diablo-st-park.html --Eric Norris Email: campyo...@me.com javascript: Web: www.campyonly.com Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions
Thank you, Tony! I have long arms (and legs for that matter) and the reach to the hypothetical downtube shifters is natural for me when riding on the hoods. As far as the stem is concerned, it is a Nitto Deluxe with a 110cm extension. Based on what I know about the San Marcos, the Roadeo has slightly more emphasis on light weight, shorter chain stays and a slightly steeper head tube which would make the handling a tad sharper. On the other hand, the San Marcos is more flexible with its rack eyelets and is a LOT less expensive! :-) Regards, Paul Tony McG wfrt...@yahoo.com wrote: Beautiful bike, Paul. A few years ago, I thought that a Soma San Marcos would give be enough of a Riv fix to get me by for a while. Since I bought the Atlantis last Summer, I have been tempted to see what the other end of the Riv spectrum is like. At 6', 170 lbs, and 89 PBH, it is nice to know that the 61 is the way to go (my Atlantis is also a 61). How is the reach to the down-tube bosses and what is the length of the stem that you are using? I have talked to cyclist that have ridden both the San Marcos and the Rambouillet, but I have never heard of a comparison between the San Marcos and the Rodeo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AWdp-KvegD4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS - 64cm Atlantis
Tony, too tall for me but a great deal for someone. Question, which mount are ypu using for the light? I am puzzling over which one will work with canti brakes the best. Yours seems to work well. On Jan 30, 2014 7:08 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: With a pending purchase of a 60cm Saluki I need to sell off this gorgeous yet slightly too big for me Atlantis. Is this the Atlantis you've been waiting for?!? A Toyo built (#678) frame that Keven at Riv told me is probably from 2003-2004 timeframe. I am the second owner and it was reportedly bought in the DC area from a local distributor. Overall the frame is in good shape for its age, there are chainsuck scars on the drive side chainstay, hard to see with the crankset installed (email for pictures). I'll shoot some details of any blemishes I can find over the weekend, bottom line is it's a bike thats been used but still show's great. Random stories and images on my blog; http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/search/label/Rivendell%20Atlantis I'll get a proper gallery up by Saturday. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7RiNKo6Y7qQ/Ut5sIUqO9SI/DGQ/RuEQK8JVgD8/s1600/RAD_1040.jpg *$2,100 As described below* Alexandria VA/ DC Metro Area preferred, but willing to ship (buyer pays actual shipping). Willing to part out or sell frame only, make an offer. 700C Wheelset (handbuilt by me, ~750ish miles): Front, Shimano DH-3N72 Dyno (Generator) 36h Hub, Velocity Dyad, Double butted spokes Rear, Shimano XT T780 36h Hub, Velocity Dyad, Double butted spokes Cockpit (your choice of one): Albatross w/ SR Stem, Shimano MTB Brake levers, Shimano 8/9 speed bar-ends Noodles 46(maybe 44), Shimano Aero Levers, Shimano 8/9 speed bar-ends *I can wrap either in inner tubes and if requested do a cotton tape job as well Crankset (your choice of one): Sugino Triple (not pictured) TA Specialities Zephyr with lockring and TA Axix BB (needs bearing replacement) (+$100 over price above) *Shimano UN55 sealed bottom bracket, 100miles Pedals: Grip King/MKS Lamba Seatpost/Saddle: SR Seatpost No Saddle (I can dig something up if necessary) Drive Train: Front Derailleur - Suntour ARX Rear Derailleur - Shimano XT M771 9 Spd Chain - Shimano SLX HG73 9 Spd (~750 miles) Tires: (both included) 2x Kenda Small Block Eight 700Cx54 (2.1) Tires (these things rock!) 2x Nomad Resist 700cx45 (42 measured) 2 sets of ultra light q tubes 1 spare 700C q tube (maybe 2 spares, I need to check) Accessories: SKS Chromoplast (silver with black stripe) Fenders (not longboards) Incredibell BM Cyo Premium (brand new - +$70 over price above) Nitto M12 and Wald basket (+$100... I'd rather keep these) * 10 Speed Option - +75 over price above (I'd keep the 9 speed stuff) 5600 Shimano 105 left and right STI shifter Front Derailleur Rear Derailleur (mid cage) 10 speed Tiagra 12-30 cassette 10 speed 105 5701 Chain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS - 64cm Atlantis
Peter, Thanks! I was running the standard light mount to the fork crown till I installed the Nitto canti front rack... so I took two of the handlebar brackets that come clamped onto the wald baskets, straightened and shortened them, drilled them, and mounted them to the front of the wald basket. Here's a close up. I will say it does shake a bit more than when it was mounted to the fork crown but at steady speeds it is pretty decent. Tony https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G_p7K346CpU/Ut5sIcpa1PI/DGk/7zjswNk1ajo/s1600/RAD_1042.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Photos of old-school and new-fangled coexisting
I usually forget to photograph when I make bikings, but not this time. A few shotshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/89701924@N03/sets/72157640339320145/of a beer/cheetoh-fueled, splashy, snowy, icy, rocky, gritty ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 64?cm alrounder fs
Frame set only -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Explosion of Lycra and Carbon on Mt. Diablo!
Sounds like another overnight adventure! Who's down to sleep on the other peak of Diablo? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
