date:20140603

That's excellent. I had a rando friend who drove up from DFW to do the 111
mile ride also.

From the angle in your photo, it looks pretty hilly(!) I thought Kansas
was flat!

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Pair of Soma Grand Randonneur 650b Tires

Michael,

The Soma Grand Randonneur tires are brand new and are only now getting into
wide distribution.  Rivendell has just started carrying them within the
last couple of weeks.  I can't imagine that anyone has a pair just lying
around that wants to sell them at this early juncture, especially
considering the fairly extreme (IMO) price of the tires.

You might have better luck seeking something that's been out there longer.
If 42mm wide is what you want, there's the GB Hetre that's been out there
for a while.  There's also the Compass Babyshoe Pass in 42mm, but that tire
is pretty new as well.

If you can live with 38mm just to try it out, I see people selling their
Pacenti Pari-Motos pretty often.  They are flat prone, but if you're just
looking to get the feel of 650b then that would be a good way to acquire
some tires for test riding.

Suggest joining the 650b Google Group and post a WTB: 650b tires on there.
On Jun 2, 2014 12:17 PM, Michael Ullmer mjull...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone have a pair of Grand Randonneur tires sitting around they
 would like to sell to a first-time 650b experimenter? I'm going to convert
 my commuter to 650b and want a huge cushy tire to do it with. Contact me
 off-list. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Gravel in New York State?

2014-06-03 Thread gunnara

My starting point is Chatham, it has very nice little roads in all directions, 
including gravel roads into the woods. 

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[RBW] Re: Gravel in New York State?

2014-06-03 Thread jandrews_nyc

thank you 
I haven't heard of the blog
but will check it out.
I'm in Brooklyn so getting up to the Catskills is no problem..

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 After reading Tony McG's post about the Almonzo, I'm curious if anyone 
 knows of any good gravel courses in New York?
 Not looking for a race at this point, but just to get out there and ride...
 Does anyone have experience with this upstate or not too far from NYC?
 thank you
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[RBW] For sale; Peter Weigle Frame Restoration, Bridgestone MB-1 Frame, TA Crankset, Nitto Dirtdrop 8

2014-06-03 Thread Marc Schwartz


I am selling some items of Rivendellish and classic providence.
Cheep!; need the space, need the cash. More to follow.
Please contact me for individual photos and information; mschw...@nmsu.edu. 
Prices are open to discussion. PayPal, please to am...@zianet.com


Peter Weigle restoration of an older English sport touring frame, unknown 
maker. 23 ST C-C, 22 TT C-C. Reynolds 531 frame and fork, pretty long-pointed 
lugs with heart shaped cutouts. Peter painted this his signature sea foam 
blue-green ( similar to Atlantis color with a little more blue). Updates 
include Campy long dropouts, 130 mm rear spacing, shifter bosses, 2 sets of 
bottle mounts, cable guides, brake mounts located for 700c tires. Room for 
Pasela 35s (700c), more with 650 conversion. Black Suntour grease guard 
headset, no BB. Excellent condition with a few small paint chips, mostly from 
component mounting. Absolutely no dings, dents, rust. Pretty durn pretty. Great 
project, photos all ready to be sent upon request. $150 +$50 UPS Ground.

Bridgestone 1991 MB-1 Frame and fork, lugged steel, tusk and Grey, Ritchey 
unicrown fork, Ritchey headset and BB, paint scratches and decal wear, no dents 
or rust, straight. 22 C-C top tube, 18 C-T seat tube. $100 + $50 UPS Ground.

Specialties TA Cyclotouriste classic crank set. Excellent condition. Decals 
intact and good, 170mm arms, set up double with 44 and 34 TA rings w/ very 
minimal use. Silver, of course. Takes standard English pedals. $65 + $15 USPS 
Priority.

Nitto Dirtdrop Stem, for 26 mm Bars, 8 cm extension. Excellent condition, 
nearly new with one insertion mark. $40 + $10 USPS Priority.

Thank You,
Marc

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[RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-03 Thread velomann

When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't want to 
go it alone.

Mike

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-03 Thread Anne Paulson

Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
Outback.
https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth
Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe Pass
tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and disc
brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote:

When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't want
to go it alone.

Mike

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
input.

An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

Thanks y'all.

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[RBW] Atlantis + Big Front Rack = Tektro brake interference! Any suggestions?

On my 56cm Atlantis I attempted to mount a Nitto big front rack but with my 
Tektro CR720 there was some definite interference which would not allow the 
brakes to properly function.

Any other suggestions on brake choices that would allow me to run the rack 
on my Atlantis?

I was looking at Shimano CX50...

I like the Shimano CX70 that Riv sells but they're black  I like the 
silver CX50s.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

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[RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

Why was the route ridden South to North?

With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?

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 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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[RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

I'll ride it in early Sept if anyone is game!

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant


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[RBW] Crown Zellerbach Trail; Lots of Gravel and Some Industrial Spelunking

Fantastic route, and a detour to an abandoned railroad tunnel...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157644960262751/

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North for
two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way first;
and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d definitely
do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, but I loved
relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and getting
psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being dirty,
smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


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 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


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 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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[RBW] Re: IRD super compact double now (nearly) available 94mm BCD

2014-06-03 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, June 2, 2014 3:22:18 PM UTC-7, dave campbell wrote:

 Have a link to find these?  I do not see on their website.  Ideally I want 
 to try a 48/32  94mm BCD setup with my 11/32.

Probably the reason nobody has them is because the cranks haven't arrived 
yet.  The only place that seems to have these available as a pre-order is 
Mike Kone's Boulder Bicycles, but he only seems to be offering the 46/30:
 
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-1305/Pre-dsh-Order--dsh--Assorted-lengths/Detail
 
Too bad the chainrings are not very pretty. I wonder if they will sell it 
as crankarms only? Good Luck! 
 


 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:15:50 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Those of us who like 46/30 will be happy at this:

 IRD is making a new model of their Defiant crankset on the old standard 
 94mm BCD.  It comes with 46/30 rings and is fairly affordable.  

 http://www.renehersestore.com/catalog/IRD%20Compact%2094%20double.JPG


 Boulder is doing a presale for $159.  It's great to have another option.  



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Re: [RBW] For sale; Peter Weigle Frame Restoration, Bridgestone MB-1 F rame, TA Crankset, Nitto Dirtdrop 8

2014-06-03 Thread mikel66...@juno.com

marc,

send me some pics of the Weigle resto bike please. do you have a standover 
height?

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-03 Thread Anne Paulson

The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from the
Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as the
train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other direction.
OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the nearest
station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious wind
blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of the
Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to me.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North for
 two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way first;
 and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d definitely
 do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, but I loved
 relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and getting
 psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being dirty,
 smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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RE: [RBW] For sale; Peter Weigle Frame Restoration, Bridgestone MB-1 F rame, TA Crankset, Nitto Dirtdrop 8

2014-06-03 Thread Marc Schwartz

Sorry,Mike- Sold
Marc

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Subject: Re: [RBW] For sale; Peter Weigle Frame Restoration, Bridgestone MB-1 F 
rame, TA Crankset, Nitto Dirtdrop 8

marc,

send me some pics of the Weigle resto bike please. do you have a standover 
height?

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

Do THIS before eating carbs #40;every time#41;
1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar  decrease fat storage
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/538df9455485f79457742st01duc

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Re: [RBW] Re: IRD super compact double now (nearly) available 94mm BCD

You can set up 48/33 with a 110bcd crank, IIRC.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM, dave campbell h2ofun1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have a link to find these?  I do not see on their website.  Ideally I want
 to try a 48/32  94mm BCD setup with my 11/32.


 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:15:50 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Those of us who like 46/30 will be happy at this:

 IRD is making a new model of their Defiant crankset on the old standard
 94mm BCD.  It comes with 46/30 rings and is fairly affordable.

 http://www.renehersestore.com/catalog/IRD%20Compact%2094%20double.JPG


 Boulder is doing a presale for $159.  It's great to have another option.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis + Big Front Rack = Tektro brake interference! Any suggestions?

2014-06-03 Thread Zack

I had this same problem on my Hunq, solved it with the paul touring canti. 
 (I am assuming by interference you mean the arms of the cantilevers jut 
out too far beyond the rack, meaning you couldn't put panniers there.  That 
was the type of interference the touring canti solved.)

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Pair of Soma Grand Randonneur 650b Tires

2014-06-03 Thread Kieran J

+1. I did this very thing, and was inundated with offers. You'll have lots 
to choose from.

KJ


On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:17:30 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Michael,

 Suggest joining the 650b Google Group and post a WTB: 650b tires on there.

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

If you can pony up the cash, the sleeping cars have a shower.

It's fantastic.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from the
 Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as the
 train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other direction.
 OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the nearest
 station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious wind
 blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of the
 Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to me.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North for
 two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way first;
 and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d definitely
 do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, but I loved
 relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and getting
 psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being dirty,
 smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: IRD super compact double now (nearly) available 94mm BCD

Not only that, but you can do TONS of fun stuff using one 110mm ring and 
one 74mm ring.  On the big ring slot you can leave it empty or run a 
stylish chainguard.

I just bought a whole grip of really fun sized rings from Ted Durant of 
Willow/Rona.  Use the search window above and search for willow 
chainrings and you'll find Ted's contact info.  The rings are gorgeous and 
absurdly inexpensive.  Now that I've stocked up, some of the things I'll be 
building are:

1.  A super useful chainguard/46/29 on a 110/74 bcd
2.  A 48/32 on a 110/74
3.  A 35/32 on a 110/74 on my double/double paired with a 16/19 freewheel
4.  A 37/34 on a 110 for the same double/double

The possibilities are endless!

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 You can set up 48/33 with a 110bcd crank, IIRC.





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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

Well, Jan Heine rode from the end back to Seattle per his blog.  However,
after 360+ miles of gravel and dirt, I'm not sure that would be my first
choice.

If I lived in Portland, I'd just see if I could get someone to retrieve me
via car as Interstate 84 is right by Deschutes State Park.

Riding to Portland would be an option, the wind does not always howl
through the gorge, and it doesn't always blow west to east either.  But if
you caught it on a bad day it wouldn't be pleasant.

Taking a route through the mountains would be an alternative if it was
windy.  I would not want to take US26, but I know people do use bikes on
that route sometimes.  It looks like there are quite a lot of National
Fores (NF) roads and other back roads looking at Google Maps, but I would
want local maps before deciding on a route.

I'm sure there's some Portlanders who have some cycling routes through the
mountains that avoid heavily traveled roads - Lolo Pass Road/NF-18 skirting
the north and west flanks of Mt. Hood looks interesting.


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 The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from the
 Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as the
 train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other direction.
 OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the nearest
 station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious wind
 blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of the
 Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to me.


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 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North for
 two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way first;
 and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d definitely
 do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, but I loved
 relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and getting
 psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being dirty,
 smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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[RBW] Wriggle FrameTA Crank Sold. MB1 Reduced

2014-06-03 Thread Marc Schwartz



I am selling some items of Rivendellish and classic providence.
Cheep!; need the space, need the cash. More to follow.
Please contact me for individual photos and information; mschw...@nmsu.edu. 
Prices are open to discussion. PayPal, please to am...@zianet.com

Bridgestone 1991 MB-1 Frame and fork, lugged steel, tusk and Grey, Ritchey 
unicrown fork, Ritchey headset and BB, paint scratches and decal wear, no dents 
or rust, straight. 22 C-C top tube, 18 C-T seat tube. $90 + $50 UPS Ground.

Nitto Dirtdrop Stem, for 26 mm Bars, 8 cm extension. Excellent condition, 
nearly new with one insertion mark. $40 + $10 USPS Priority.


Thank You,
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-03 Thread Philip Williamson

Thanks for taking care of the planning of this!
Is anyone showing up on Friday? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:19:10 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp for 
 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've reserved a 
 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I assume there 
 will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal camping in the 
 backcountry for Monday. 

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW 
 all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
 forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for something 
 (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let me know 
 that too.

 cheers
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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-03 Thread Ryan

Awesomeyou da man!
On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:21:13 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:

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[RBW] Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary School
auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the bike
is mine. Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank
period-correct set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.
I also got my R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can
take my Saddlesack Large. I got a super compact solo tent that straps
under the bosco bars very cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into
contracting a frame bag for under the top tube from my friend Ely at
RuthWorks. This thing is going to be S24O ready.

Funny aside. After riding this guy for over a month I only just realized
that the smallest two freewheel cogs are fried. They skip terribly with
the rest of the drivetrain new. The bigger four cogs are all perfecto.
Previous owner(s) must have lived in the smallest two cogs. For the time
being I've just set the limit screw so I now have a 3x4 12-speed. 26/38/48
in front and 17-20-24-30 in back. For a bike of this kind, I am challenged
to think of anything I'm missing.

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

I love that butched-up Atlantis. LOVE

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Re: [RBW] Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

Awww yeah Ely!

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Re: [RBW] Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

2014-06-03 Thread Tim Gavin

Yeah, for a town country bike you'll be fine with the limited cogs.

That's a huge bummer that the small cogs are fried; Uniglide cogs are hard
to find these days. When the cogs on my KOM die, I'll probably transplant
a 7s Hyperglide freehub body.

Are those 26 x 1.75 Soma Xpress tires? How do you like them? How supple
are they?

I wish my KOM had an eyelet on the dropout like yours; mine has none.

Your Paramountain looks great, Bill. I just swapped my KOM from upright
Wald cruiser bars to Nitto Randonneur drops and I love it. It transformed
the bike from a trusty but slow workhorse into a fast thoroughbred. These
are great bikes.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

Awww yeah Ely!

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary
School auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the
bike is mine. Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank
period-correct set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.
I also got my R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can
take my Saddlesack Large. I got a super compact solo tent that straps
under the bosco bars very cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into
contracting a frame bag for under the top tube from my friend Ely at
RuthWorks. This thing is going to be S24O ready.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uqJzPXVQrr8/U44KrqHOAYI/B68/lc-pKo5EjKA/s1600/IMG_20140603_101528_845.jpg

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-03 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch

This photo was taken at the top of a very steep climb. The gravel looks
pretty tame in the pic, but the slope I had just climbed was covered with
huge slabs of rock that I had to go over instead of picking a line through.
Ride with GPS list 3800' of elevation for the Half Pint, but my Garmin
only measured a little over 3400'. I was able to ride the whole course in
the middle ring with a 11-34 cassette. I used the small ring several times
on the Almonzo because there was many more long and steep hills with my
Garmin measuring over 5400' in 102 miles.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rzETNadtcyU/U44VzYpBDLI/AC4/wqcyfxur0Kg/s1600/photo.JPG
I rode the Duremes because they were already on the bike and I had heard
horror stories of the razor-like flint cutting tires to shreds; I saw
scores of cyclists changing flats. Before the race, I had thought about
buying a Rawland Stag and using some of the parts off of the Trucker to
make a dedicated gravel grinder, but I think I will upgrade the wheelset on
the Atlantis and try some of the new gravel tires that are hitting the
market. The Clement MSO was by far the most popular tire and I will
seriously consider these when I get the new wheels. I took this picture of
my bike after I got back to the dorm room at ESU...

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Re: [RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

Riv's look so good when they get dirty.

SRSLY

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis + Big Front Rack = Tektro brake interference! Any suggestions?

Oh I should of noted how I didn't want to use Paul brakes...no reason in 
particular but I wanted to go with something else. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis + Big Front Rack = Tektro brake interference! Any suggestions?

Weren't there some shimano low profile canti's for sale at riv? Or you can
waddle down to your local used bike parts place and scrounge the bins...


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 particular but I wanted to go with something else.

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[RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

Who cares if you're dirty! I'd rather ride with a tailwind.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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[RBW] fs: 650b tires - Schwalbe Marathon + Conti Tour Ride (CHICAGO PICKUP AVAILABLE)

I have two (2) pairs of 650b tires. 

1) Schwalbe Marathon (650x42)
2) Conti Tour Ride (650x42)

Both are in amazing shape. The Contis only have like 20 miles on them  the 
Marathons will last forever!

I'd LOVE to have someone in Chicago area pick them up.

$50 for all four tires. 

**But if you want them shipped we can arrange that, it'll just cost a 
little extra**

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Re: [RBW] Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

It's a screw on Shimano 600 6-speed freewheel, whose cogs are also kind of
scarce. I have a 5-speed Shimano 600 freewheel that I think might be just
as good to use whole, or to donate cogs. I also have a 7-speed NOS Sachs
aris that might fit, but for the time being it's fine as a 3x4.

The 26x1.75 Soma New Express is fine. A more supple tire like the Compass
would be faster I'm sure, but on an upright bike the slowness of my
non-aero position swamps that out. I run 650B new express on my rando bike
sometimes, and I also thought it was fine compared to Hetres and other
s-word tires.

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:16:22 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

Yeah, for a town country bike you'll be fine with the limited cogs.

That's a huge bummer that the small cogs are fried; Uniglide cogs are hard
to find these days. When the cogs on my KOM die, I'll probably transplant
a 7s Hyperglide freehub body.

Are those 26 x 1.75 Soma Xpress tires? How do you like them? How supple
are they?

I wish my KOM had an eyelet on the dropout like yours; mine has none.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org
javascript: wrote:

Awww yeah Ely!

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary
School auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the
bike is mine. Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank
period-correct set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.
I also got my R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can
take my Saddlesack Large. I got a super compact solo tent that straps
under the bosco bars very cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into
contracting a frame bag for under the top tube from my friend Ely at
RuthWorks. This thing is going to be S24O ready.

Funny aside. After riding this guy for over a month I only just
realized that the smallest two freewheel cogs are fried. They skip
terribly with the rest of the drivetrain new. The bigger four cogs are all
perfecto. Previous owner(s) must have lived in the smallest two cogs. For
the time being I've just set the limit screw so I now have a 3x4 12-speed.
26/38/48 in front and 17-20-24-30 in back. For a bike of this kind, I am
challenged to think of anything I'm missing.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uqJzPXVQrr8/U44KrqHOAYI/B68/lc-pKo5EjKA/s1600/IMG_20140603_101528_845.jpg

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-03 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

Just out of curiosity, did you see many people running MTB handlebars
rather than drops?

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:21:13 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-03 Thread Jim M.

Very cool! I think a tubeless setup would be ideal for gravel rides.

jim m
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Re: [RBW] Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

2014-06-03 Thread JL

Looking good Bill!  3x4 can be enough.  

Jason

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary School 
 auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the bike is 
 mine.  Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank period-correct 
 set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.  I also got my 
 R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can take my Saddlesack 
 Large.  I got a super compact solo tent that straps under the bosco bars very 
 cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into contracting a frame bag for 
 under the top tube from my friend Ely at RuthWorks.  This thing is going to 
 be S24O ready. 
 
 Funny aside.  After riding this guy for over a month I only just realized 
 that the smallest two freewheel cogs are fried.  They skip terribly with the 
 rest of the drivetrain new.  The bigger four cogs are all perfecto.  Previous 
 owner(s) must have lived in the smallest two cogs.  For the time being I've 
 just set the limit screw so I now have a 3x4 12-speed.  26/38/48 in front and 
 17-20-24-30 in back.  For a bike of this kind, I am challenged to think of 
 anything I'm missing.  
 
 
 
 
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[RBW] South Florida Betty Foy owners ?

2014-06-03 Thread Victoria

I know that this is a long shot but wondering if anyone in the vicinity has 
a Betty Foy/ Yves/ Cheviot that I could sit on?   It's so intimidating to 
order without checking it out, I have a tricky back and want to see if the 
geometry works for me prior to shipping one down here.   If not I will have 
to take the plunge like everyone else who is not local.:)  

Thanks  
V. 

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[RBW] Re: IRD super compact double now (nearly) available 94mm BCD

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Virgil

Fat outer chain rings seem to be characteristic of IRD.  This is the 50/34 
IRD defiant compact setup on my Boulder All Road gives the same impression.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/11767532715/in/set-72157639415730156

~Tom



On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:19:48 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I wish that big ring wan't so fat looking.  I'd like to get the 
 crankarms without rings if possible.

 ~mike




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[RBW] Re: South Florida Betty Foy owners ?

2014-06-03 Thread Deacon Patrick

If you aren't able to try one out before hand, rest assured Rivendell knows 
what they are doing with sizing. Grant nailed my bike sizing, and I also 
has a specific challenge to overcome (vertigo -- with me being unable to 
ride any of the trial bikes more than a few miles). I can ride my Riv. as 
far as my carcass is able, the vertigo is a non-issue on the bike. They'll 
take excellent care of you.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:26:24 PM UTC-6, Victoria wrote:

 I know that this is a long shot but wondering if anyone in the vicinity 
 has a Betty Foy/ Yves/ Cheviot that I could sit on?   It's so intimidating 
 to order without checking it out, I have a tricky back and want to see if 
 the geometry works for me prior to shipping one down here.   If not I will 
 have to take the plunge like everyone else who is not local.:)  

 Thanks  
 V. 


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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-03 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch

Chris,
I would guestimate 25% of the bikes had MTB bars.  Most of the bicycles 
were 'cross bikes and Salsa Vaya, Fargo, or Warbird.  There were several 
x-country type MTB, some hybrids, a few fat bikes, off-road tandems, and 
regular road bikes.

Jim M.,
A lot of the serious gravel racers that I know run tubeless.  They tell me 
that they can run lower tire pressures and not have to worry about pinching 
the tube when they hit something harsh.

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

Tony:

Congrats on a great ride.  I'm a firm believer my Atlantis can do things I 
shouldn't be doing anyway  so is the perfect bike for my needs.  Sounds 
like yours is close to standard Riv spec  you enjoyed the ride  didn't 
suffer for lack of equipment.  Good to hear confirmation that lower 
pressure chubby tires can survive sharp gravel.  I love 40mm tires but 
haven't tried below 50 psi.  The 35f/40r suggestion is worth a try.  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:29:35 PM UTC-7, Tony McG wrote:

 Chris,
 I would guestimate 25% of the bikes had MTB bars.  Most of the bicycles 
 were 'cross bikes and Salsa Vaya, Fargo, or Warbird.  There were several 
 x-country type MTB, some hybrids, a few fat bikes, off-road tandems, and 
 regular road bikes.

 Jim M.,
 A lot of the serious gravel racers that I know run tubeless.  They tell me 
 that they can run lower tire pressures and not have to worry about pinching 
 the tube when they hit something harsh.


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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

https://goo.gl/maps/NeMmX

Parallel roads on the south side of I-84 west of Bridge of the Gods.  Ride
WA-14 though the narrowest parts of the Gorge, much nicer.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, Jan Heine rode from the end back to Seattle per his blog.  However,
 after 360+ miles of gravel and dirt, I'm not sure that would be my first
 choice.

 If I lived in Portland, I'd just see if I could get someone to retrieve me
 via car as Interstate 84 is right by Deschutes State Park.

 Riding to Portland would be an option, the wind does not always howl
 through the gorge, and it doesn't always blow west to east either.  But if
 you caught it on a bad day it wouldn't be pleasant.

 Taking a route through the mountains would be an alternative if it was
 windy.  I would not want to take US26, but I know people do use bikes on
 that route sometimes.  It looks like there are quite a lot of National
 Fores (NF) roads and other back roads looking at Google Maps, but I would
 want local maps before deciding on a route.

 I'm sure there's some Portlanders who have some cycling routes through the
 mountains that avoid heavily traveled roads - Lolo Pass Road/NF-18 skirting
 the north and west flanks of Mt. Hood looks interesting.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from
 the Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as
 the train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other
 direction. OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the
 nearest station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious
 wind blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of
 the Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to
 me.


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 wrote:

 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North
 for two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way
 first; and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d
 definitely do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, but
 I loved relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and
 getting psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being
 dirty, smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Jim:

Put me down for all 3 nights.  This event will be memorable,  I look 
forward to meeting a lot of the NorCal crew in person.  

dougP

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:19:10 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp for 
 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've reserved a 
 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I assume there 
 will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal camping in the 
 backcountry for Monday. 

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW 
 all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
 forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for something 
 (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let me know 
 that too.

 cheers
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-03 Thread Allan in Portland

Portland to Deschutes/The Dalles is 100 miles. Riding it in one day is 
totally doable, but maybe less than the amount of fun most people are 
looking for at the start of a 360 miles (mostly) off-road odyssey. Two days 
should be pretty pleasant but perhaps not amenable to as many people's 
schedule?

If you fall in the latter group, Portland SagWagon 
http://www.portlandsagwagon.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2014/3/1_Oregon_Outback.html
 
can shuttle you from Portland to Deschutes SP in about 2 hours 
door-to-door. I'll also mention Deschutes SP is a beautiful camp site to 
start (or finish) any ride. Taking a late shuttle would allow one to spend 
a day sight-seeing in Portland (always recommended), camp at the Deschutes, 
and then start one's Oregon Outback adventure bright and, if not early, at 
least fresh the next morning.

Full disclosure: I operate said Portland SagWagon. :)

Cheers,
-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Hugh:

The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are HUGE.  
Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.  No 
wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit but 
I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at Union 
Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage well 
ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for 
time.  

dougP

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being down/up 
 for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast Starlight Monday 
 morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning?? Anyway I'm 
 down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my portion. 

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland Jack 
 London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 wrote:

 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp 
 for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've 
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I 
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal 
 camping in the backcountry for Monday. 

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW 
 all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
 forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for 
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let 
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Barley, Carradice QR Support, 2 x Axiom Panniers

2014-06-03 Thread DS

One last bump, Carradice Barley is still for sale. Let me know if
interested, otherwise will post to ebay in a week or so.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:06:38 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:

Panniers and Carradice Support are spoken for.

Barley bag still for sale.

On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:37:58 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

Putting these up for sale to save up for a medium or large sackville
saddlesack and thought I'd try the list here before ebay. Let me know if
anyone is interested. It will be about a week before I can ship or do a
pickup. Let me know if interested. I have pictures I can send as well. Can
combine shipping. Subtract $10 if you can pick up locally in Oakland.

$75 shipped - Carradice Barley Black w/ White Straps, really good
condition except a little wear where the tire was rubbing against the bag
for 1-2 rides (that area is slightly faded, not hugely noticeable). New
$115 list, bought a year ago:
https://carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=typeproduct_id=43

$45 shipped - Carradice QR ($63 new, used less than 5 rides):
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=rangeurl=bagman-quick-release-sport-original

$50 shipped - 2 x Axiom Lasalle panniers:(discontinued model, bought new
for ~$100 3/2009, used for one overnight camping trip and a handful of
grocery runs, has been in storage with some other camping gear for for the
last 3 years):
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222342379/395/Axiom-Lasalle-Front-or-Rear.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Doug,

I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are HUGE.
 Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.  No
 wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit but
 I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at Union
 Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage well
 ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being down/up
 for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast Starlight Monday
 morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning?? Anyway I'm
 down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland Jack
 London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp
 for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW
 all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be
 forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis + Big Front Rack = Tektro brake interference! Any suggestions?

I just put TRP CX8.4 mini V brakes on my wife's 26 wheeled Atlantis.  They 
do not extend beyond the fork leg until about the top of the tire, then 
spread out to less than a half inch beyond the fork leg.  One reason for 
the mini Vs is they work with Shimano Tiagra road levers.  Her bike does 
not have any front rack.

dougP

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:07:16 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:

 On my 56cm Atlantis I attempted to mount a Nitto big front rack but with 
 my Tektro CR720 there was some definite interference which would not allow 
 the brakes to properly function.

 Any other suggestions on brake choices that would allow me to run the rack 
 on my Atlantis?

 I was looking at Shimano CX50...

 I like the Shimano CX70 that Riv sells but they're black  I like the 
 silver CX50s.

 Any help would be greatly appreciated! 


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[RBW] Re: South Florida Betty Foy owners ?

2014-06-03 Thread Philip Williamson

Agreed. I bought my Quickbeam sight unseen. Fantastic bike for the last ten 
years. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com 


On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:21:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 If you aren't able to try one out before hand, rest assured Rivendell 
 knows what they are doing with sizing. Grant nailed my bike sizing, and I 
 also has a specific challenge to overcome (vertigo -- with me being unable 
 to ride any of the trial bikes more than a few miles). I can ride my Riv. 
 as far as my carcass is able, the vertigo is a non-issue on the bike. 
 They'll take excellent care of you.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:26:24 PM UTC-6, Victoria wrote:

 I know that this is a long shot but wondering if anyone in the vicinity 
 has a Betty Foy/ Yves/ Cheviot that I could sit on?   It's so intimidating 
 to order without checking it out, I have a tricky back and want to see if 
 the geometry works for me prior to shipping one down here.   If not I will 
 have to take the plunge like everyone else who is not local.:)  

 Thanks  
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[RBW] Re: IRD super compact double now (nearly) available 94mm BCD

2014-06-03 Thread Evan Baird

The chainrings are a copy of an old Campy design.

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Fat outer chain rings seem to be characteristic of IRD.  This is the 50/34 
 IRD defiant compact setup on my Boulder All Road gives the same impression.


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/11767532715/in/set-72157639415730156

 ~Tom



 On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:19:48 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I wish that big ring wan't so fat looking.  I'd like to get the 
 crankarms without rings if possible.

 ~mike




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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Got it:

Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are HUGE.
 Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.  No
 wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit but
 I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at Union
 Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage well
 ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being down/up
 for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast Starlight Monday
 morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning?? Anyway I'm
 down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland Jack
 London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China
 Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has
 RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will
 be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-03 Thread Peter Morgano

How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is there
an extra charge? Thanks.
On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are HUGE.
 Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.  No
 wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit but
 I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at Union
 Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage well
 ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland Jack
 London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China
 Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has
 RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will
 be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Peter,

The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked
luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the
station and ask if they have boxes  tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends
bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box  tape. When I looked into
traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city
that run you to the Coast Starlight et al.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is there
 an extra charge? Thanks.
 On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.
 No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit
 but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at
 Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage
 well ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
 Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland
 Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the
 train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China
 Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has
 RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will
 be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

No extra charge as far as I can tell.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter,

 The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked
 luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the
 station and ask if they have boxes  tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends
 bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box  tape. When I looked into
 traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city
 that run you to the Coast Starlight et al.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is
 there an extra charge? Thanks.
 On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.
 No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit
 but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at
 Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage
 well ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
 Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland
 Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the
 train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China
 Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has
 RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk 
 will
 be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), 
 let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-03 Thread Shawn Granton

There is a $10 fee to check a boxed bike, besides the cost of the box. So
box plus fee is $25.
Shawn
On Jun 3, 2014 7:07 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 No extra charge as far as I can tell.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Peter,

 The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked
 luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the
 station and ask if they have boxes  tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends
 bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box  tape. When I looked into
 traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city
 that run you to the Coast Starlight et al.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is
 there an extra charge? Thanks.
 On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into box.
 No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters fit
 but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at
 Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage
 well ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed 
 for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
 Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland
 Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the
 train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China
 Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, 
 I've
 reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as
 has RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW 
 folk
 will be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we 
 have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), 
 let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

Ah good to know.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Shawn Granton 
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a $10 fee to check a boxed bike, besides the cost of the box. So
 box plus fee is $25.
 Shawn
 On Jun 3, 2014 7:07 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 No extra charge as far as I can tell.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Peter,

 The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked
 luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the
 station and ask if they have boxes  tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends
 bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box  tape. When I looked into
 traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city
 that run you to the Coast Starlight et al.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is
 there an extra charge? Thanks.
 On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. 
 Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into 
 box.
 No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters 
 fit
 but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box at
 Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage
 well ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed 
 for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
 Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland
 Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the
 train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at
 China Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's 
 backyard,
 I've reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 
 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as
 has RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW 
 folk
 will be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we 
 have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), 
 let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-03 Thread Anne Paulson

Be aware that train stations don't necessarily have boxes. And even if they
say they have boxes the day before, they don't necessarily have boxes
because they might have used them all up. And if your bike is not boxed,
they (probably) won't take it.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah good to know.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Shawn Granton 
 urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a $10 fee to check a boxed bike, besides the cost of the box. So
 box plus fee is $25.
 Shawn
 On Jun 3, 2014 7:07 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 No extra charge as far as I can tell.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Peter,

 The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked
 luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the
 station and ask if they have boxes  tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends
 bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box  tape. When I looked into
 traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city
 that run you to the Coast Starlight et al.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is
 there an extra charge? Thanks.
 On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it:

 Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69x 41 X 8.5

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Doug,

 I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length
 dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the
 Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate
 them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike
 length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. 
 Otherwise
 I'd need to re-wrap the bars!

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into 
 box.
 No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end shifters 
 fit
 but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  Check out a box 
 at
 Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do need to check luggage
 well ahead of train arrival  like you say you don't want to be jammed 
 for
 time.

 dougP


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Jim,

 Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being
 down/up for the 12th  13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
 Starlight
 Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave Tuesday 
 morning??
 Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of course reimburse for 
 my
 portion.

 Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland
 Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch the
 train?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
 keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

  As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at
 China Camp for 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's 
 backyard,
 I've reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 
 14th. I
 assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some 
 informal
 camping in the backcountry for Monday.

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as
 has RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW 
 folk
 will be forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if
 you're really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we 
 have
 many more than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for
 something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine 
 distilling), let
 me know that too.

 cheers
 jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Schiller

Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter than
42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like 52-56 mm
wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing tires like
the Thunder Burt that would be great for this ride. I know of a few people
who used these and were very pleased with the performance on this ride.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
Outback.

https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth
Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe Pass
tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and disc
brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:

When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't want
to go it alone.

Mike

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
input.

An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

Thanks y'all.

-ant

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[RBW] Chain Woes

2014-06-03 Thread Jim

Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up tight, 
won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link (SRAM 9 
speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of 
the rivet that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the 
opposite chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and 
the chain link
 
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994
 
In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a picture 
of that:
 
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988
 
With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I 
carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was 
pressed back in well enough to get me home.
 
So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new 
master link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the 
drivetrain I should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I 
think I need to clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite 
dirty.  I've been riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I 
suppose its not a surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like 
that?  Or are there other potential culprits?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim in Boulder

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

2014-06-03 Thread Eric Norris

Jim:

Chains are cheap. I would definitely consider buying a new one. Have you put a 
chain checker on it to see if it's overly worn? If the master link was this far 
gone, chances are the rest of the chain is going to have problems as well. 

–Eric N
Sent from my iPhone 5S

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up tight, 
 won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link (SRAM 9 
 speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of the rivet 
 that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the opposite 
 chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and the chain link
  
 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994
  
 In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a picture 
 of that:
  
 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988
  
 With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I 
 carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was pressed 
 back in well enough to get me home.
  
 So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new master 
 link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the drivetrain I 
 should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I think I need to 
 clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite dirty.  I've been 
 riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I suppose its not a 
 surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like that?  Or are there other 
 potential culprits?
  
 Thanks,
  
 Jim in Boulder
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[RBW] Re: Chain Woes