date:20140710

Fantastic! Your's is a beautiful build of Homer's grace and handsome 
elegance. I agree with Michael though, I somehow missed the not flat Iowa 
pictures. Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Eunice Chang

Got mine. They're lovely. That was speedy, thanks!

proof it happened:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/14619038475/

-E.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Entmoot tire recs

2014-07-10 Thread Mike Williams

I have BBs on my Bletiot and they fit easy, And Id bet clearance is better on 
your SH,  so I think they should

Sent from my iPhone

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 Anyone know if 650b Big Bens will fit a first gen (green) Sam H without 
 fenders?
 
 Thanks,
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 As big as will fit.  As mentioned above there are a few rocky sections where 
 you'll want as much volume as possible
 
 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 1:51:43 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote:
 My QuickBeam will be wearing its new Soma Sea-lions... hope the colours 
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[RBW] Re: trade or sell at Rivendell Jamboree?

2014-07-10 Thread Pondero

Be careful, Bill, what you loan out to Manny.  It might end up on one of 
his this looks right photos.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Avery Wilson

Got mine yesterday! All the way to Indianapolis, IN! Thanks! I'll be riding 
Homer on Saturday and wearing my shirt proudly :) 

Avery

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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

2014-07-10 Thread ascpgh

Very nice. A custom-ordered day to match the bike. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:31:53 PM UTC-4, Bob Cook wrote:

 Mounted the Mark's Rack with upside-down EDelux yesterday. Took advantage 
 this morning of beautiful weather for twenty-some miles of rolling Iowa for 
 Homer's first real ride. I must admit I wore padded shorts. Brooks, my 
 English butler (see what I did there?), is simply not adequately accustomed 
 to my posterior yet.

 The bike lives up to the hype. It is ride is smooth, responsive, easy 
 uphill and into the wind. It handles superbly in gravel, even fresh 
 post-flooding dumps of dusty white boulders (thanks Johnson County!). The 
 Marathon Supremes (700C x 40  mm nominal; about 37 mm right now) are 
 characteristically Schwalbe-ish, but at 40-45 psi are cushy enough for the 
 time being. There is plenty of clearance for 40 mm tires, even with 
 fenders, and more without.

 I remain unsure about Noodles, though. I'm used to narrower bars with a 
 rando bend (the LHT has the VO Chris's Rando Bar) and a longer ramp. Not 
 that the Noodles are uncomfortable, but when I hopped on the LHT later to 
 head into the office, the rando ramps felt downright luxurious in 
 comparison. Time will tell. I'm interested in reading comments from those 
 who might have used Noodles then switched to a rando bar, or vice versa, or 
 have one of each on different bikes.

 Pictures show that Iowa is not flat. And that we do indeed have cattle 
 (and hogs, too, but I can't post odors): 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/sets/72157645186309248/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram versus Roadeo; trade?

The perhaps unobtainable ideal would be the lightest possible Rivendell
road bike, but I'd accept a bit of weight for the signature feel and
handling which is the principal goal. My objection, such as it is, to the
Ram is not so much the weight (IIRC, built but not accessorized it weighs
26 lb with rack, dynamo lighting, compared to ~23 for the errand custom
similarly equipped -- but that is fixed, of course) but that the handling
is a wee bit staider than ideal -- but ideal here is rather nebulous.

My brother ought to be bringing the old Bertin (60 X 57 or so) out with
him, and perhaps that's the most reasonable option. He says it handles very
well, and I know the frameset is quite light. But it's not a Rivendell,
alas.

Move along there. Bertin (if I buy it) build: my idea at the moment is a
1X5 or perhaps a S3X with freewheel -- keep it very simple (and light) as
befits a dedicated fw gofast. Or better yet, one of those (forget who makes
them) 120 mm OL spaced cassette hubs for a 1X7.

I've got the build parts: frame comes with headset; plenty of TA Pro 5 Vis
cranksets and rings, cogs, front hubs, a 7400 rd, very nice old 600 single
pivots, 7400 DA levers, KEO Maxes, shift lever, original issue Flite. Will
need bb, rims, tires, stem and bar ... oh dear, another build project.

We'll see. If I do buy a frame, of any kind, it will be to wait for good
deals and gather parts slowly and cheaply. It's not as if I don't have
enough bikes to ride as it is.


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 If you want light steel, you might consider welded as lugs add a half
 pound or so and Riv's aren't really going for light weight to begin with.

 -Dave J

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  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
*  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

Mine's still on the burro wending it's way up the pass. Grin. Likely today, 
which will be great for descanting protocol!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:42:16 AM UTC-6, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Got mine yesterday! All the way to Indianapolis, IN! Thanks! I'll be 
 riding Homer on Saturday and wearing my shirt proudly :) 

 Avery


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Re: [RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

I love the 44 cm B 135s on my Fargo, except for the flats position, which
the bar's upsweep makes awkward. But the ramps are wonderful. I run the
even nicer Maes Parallel on two Riv road bikes. I have Noodles on the Ram.

I swapped my too-wide 46 cm Noodles for 42s and installed a stem 1 cm
longer than for my Maes Parallels to give the same reach despite the
Noodle's sweepback. I must say that, so set up, the Noodles give the Maeses
a good run for the money, and I love the Maeses. I can run the Noodle's
tops a wee bit higher because of the deeper drop (140 versus 125 mm). True,
the ramps aren't quite as nice and long as with the Maeses or the B135, but
while I do prefer the Maes Parallel for road riding, the narrower Noodle so
set up runs a very close second and I have no plans to swap it out.


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:31:53 PM UTC-4, Bob Cook wrote:



 I remain unsure about Noodles, though. I'm used to narrower bars with a
 rando bend (the LHT has the VO Chris's Rando Bar) and a longer ramp. Not
 that the Noodles are uncomfortable, but when I hopped on the LHT later to
 head into the office, the rando ramps felt downright luxurious in
 comparison. Time will tell. I'm interested in reading comments from those
 who might have used Noodles then switched to a rando bar, or vice versa, or
 have one of each on different bikes.

 Pictures show that Iowa is not flat. And that we do indeed have cattle
 (and hogs, too, but I can't post odors): https://www.flickr.
 com/photos/125863173@N06/sets/72157645186309248/

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was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
*  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

2014-07-10 Thread Takashi

Beautiful bike and beautiful sceneries!
Sky-blue frame and purple bartapes go really well together.

I have used Noodles and Nitto Randos on my Bike Friday. I prefer Noodles.
Bike Friday and Riv bikes are both designed to be able to put handlebars 
high, so I find upward sweep of Rando bars to be unnecessary.
Noodle's backsweep makes me comfortable.

Takashi


2014年7月10日木曜日 10時31分53秒 UTC+9 Bob Cook:

 Mounted the Mark's Rack with upside-down EDelux yesterday. Took advantage 
 this morning of beautiful weather for twenty-some miles of rolling Iowa for 
 Homer's first real ride. I must admit I wore padded shorts. Brooks, my 
 English butler (see what I did there?), is simply not adequately accustomed 
 to my posterior yet.

 The bike lives up to the hype. It is ride is smooth, responsive, easy 
 uphill and into the wind. It handles superbly in gravel, even fresh 
 post-flooding dumps of dusty white boulders (thanks Johnson County!). The 
 Marathon Supremes (700C x 40  mm nominal; about 37 mm right now) are 
 characteristically Schwalbe-ish, but at 40-45 psi are cushy enough for the 
 time being. There is plenty of clearance for 40 mm tires, even with 
 fenders, and more without.

 I remain unsure about Noodles, though. I'm used to narrower bars with a 
 rando bend (the LHT has the VO Chris's Rando Bar) and a longer ramp. Not 
 that the Noodles are uncomfortable, but when I hopped on the LHT later to 
 head into the office, the rando ramps felt downright luxurious in 
 comparison. Time will tell. I'm interested in reading comments from those 
 who might have used Noodles then switched to a rando bar, or vice versa, or 
 have one of each on different bikes.

 Pictures show that Iowa is not flat. And that we do indeed have cattle 
 (and hogs, too, but I can't post odors): 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/sets/72157645186309248/

 --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Got mine in MA. Will join you all in spirit.

Of course, Eunice out did miPhone-ography with that yummy-looking donut 
thing. Here's my sage shirt+patch (which is super nice, BTW)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14593568546/

happy riding!
Shoji

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:56:24 AM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:

 Got mine. They're lovely. That was speedy, thanks!

 proof it happened:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/14619038475/ 

 -E.


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 javascript: wrote:

 Please tell me people are receiving their patches and shirts...
 Should have been yesterday for CA folk. I had a sudden pang of what if 
 no one gets their stuff??!

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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:53:51 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Fantastic! Your's is a beautiful build of Homer's grace and handsome 
 elegance. I agree with Michael though, I somehow missed the not flat Iowa 
 pictures. Grin.


Ha! Yes, Michael and Patrick, Iowa's hills are neither the Greens nor the 
Rockies. But Iowa ain't Nebraska, either. (No disrespect meant to Nebraska, 
but dang! *That's *flat.) I will say, though, that the 2010 edition of 
RAGBRAI ascended a hill on the last day that defeated more than a few 
riders from the mountain west. They said that, while they were used to 
longer climbs, these tended not to be so steep (between 14% and 19%).

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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:28:26 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:

 I have used Noodles and Nitto Randos on my Bike Friday. I prefer Noodles.
 Bike Friday and Riv bikes are both designed to be able to put handlebars 
 high, so I find upward sweep of Rando bars to be unnecessary.
 Noodle's backsweep makes me comfortable.


Thanks, Takashi and Patrick, for your thoughts. One of my discomforts with 
Noodles is the feeling, for the first couple miles, that my hands are 
sliding down and out on the flats. On the other hand, the ramps on the VO 
rando bars might be *too* long. The B 135 or Grand Bois rando models are 
both worth consideration at some point.

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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

Walking a hill is never a defeat. Believing it is a defeat is a defeat. 
Grin. And from the few roads I've ridden in Iowa you are right, where there 
are hills they do not bother to make the road longer. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:08:47 AM UTC-6, Bob Cook wrote:

 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:53:51 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Fantastic! Your's is a beautiful build of Homer's grace and handsome 
 elegance. I agree with Michael though, I somehow missed the not flat Iowa 
 pictures. Grin.


 Ha! Yes, Michael and Patrick, Iowa's hills are neither the Greens nor the 
 Rockies. But Iowa ain't Nebraska, either. (No disrespect meant to Nebraska, 
 but dang! *That's *flat.) I will say, though, that the 2010 edition of 
 RAGBRAI ascended a hill on the last day that defeated more than a few 
 riders from the mountain west. They said that, while they were used to 
 longer climbs, these tended not to be so steep (between 14% and 19%).

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Re: [RBW] Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

The VO Rando bars are a completely different type of bar than the Noodle.
I bought a pair of the VO and hated them because I thought they were way
too narrow on top for me.  For them to work for me they would need to be 46
or 48cm wide where the levers mount and maybe 52 or 54 at the drops.  But
the VO I bought seem to be 48 where the barcons mount and that is just way
too narrow on the hoods for my (skeletal) frame.

Not that they're bad, just my preference and body type, obviously your
preference is different.

I think Nitto makes some sort of Rando bar also, not sure what the model
number is though.


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Bob Cook rcook.i...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mounted the Mark's Rack with upside-down EDelux yesterday. Took advantage
 this morning of beautiful weather for twenty-some miles of rolling Iowa for
 Homer's first real ride. I must admit I wore padded shorts. Brooks, my
 English butler (see what I did there?), is simply not adequately accustomed
 to my posterior yet.

 The bike lives up to the hype. It is ride is smooth, responsive, easy
 uphill and into the wind. It handles superbly in gravel, even fresh
 post-flooding dumps of dusty white boulders (thanks Johnson County!). The
 Marathon Supremes (700C x 40  mm nominal; about 37 mm right now) are
 characteristically Schwalbe-ish, but at 40-45 psi are cushy enough for the
 time being. There is plenty of clearance for 40 mm tires, even with
 fenders, and more without.

 I remain unsure about Noodles, though. I'm used to narrower bars with a
 rando bend (the LHT has the VO Chris's Rando Bar) and a longer ramp. Not
 that the Noodles are uncomfortable, but when I hopped on the LHT later to
 head into the office, the rando ramps felt downright luxurious in
 comparison. Time will tell. I'm interested in reading comments from those
 who might have used Noodles then switched to a rando bar, or vice versa, or
 have one of each on different bikes.

 Pictures show that Iowa is not flat. And that we do indeed have cattle
 (and hogs, too, but I can't post odors):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/sets/72157645186309248/

 --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram versus Roadeo; trade?

2014-07-10 Thread lungimsam


Actually I don't see why they don't do eyelets a plenty on Roadeos for maximum 
options on a fast bike.

I don't think it defeats the purpose for light commuters, Randonneurs, or 
roadies.

What I don't get it the placement of the chain stay eyelet for rear fender. How 
do you fender that? Seems so far away from the tire, and in the tightest area 
if the stays, so looks like the fender won't fit between the status there?



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[RBW] knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread alex han

I'd recommend Beta Brand bike to work knickers, which have become my most worn 
pants very quickly. Looser than Swrve, tighter than Riv, and made in San 
Francisco. 

-alex 

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[RBW] WTB VO rack / decaleur

2014-07-10 Thread Roy Drinkwater

I'm looking for a VO Pass Hunter Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur.  Anyone 
have one that they're willing to sell? *

Roy H. Drinkwater
Lititz, PA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram versus Roadeo; trade?

2014-07-10 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I think the number of eyelets and braze ons are limited on the Roadeos 
because it is (1) purpose built as go fast and (2) weight!

I'm guessing that the weight issue was an important target for Grant/Riv: 
sub-20# steel bike. 

A full complement of frame braze ons can add a lot of weight (relatively 
speaking) to a light frame. Same goes for down tube shifter mounts (which 
were purposefully left off in order to use certain type of butted 
downtube). And the use of threadless stem compared to quill. 

The chain stay fender mount: yes, it is not optimal (from a fender 
installation point), but a long-ish spacer solves that problem. IIRC, the 
bottom bracket shell is not a Riv-bottom bracket. A different one was 
selected to use a particular seat tube. (I could just be making this up, so 
anyone with real info please speak up.)

Anyway: I'm pretty sure this isn't the first Roadeo having added braze ons. 
IIRC, someone had seat stay rack mount added, and Grant/Riv has written 
about putting downtube shifter mounts on Roadeos. If you're in the market 
for it, you should have that conversation with them-- I think they're quite 
accommodating (but there might be another bike that's better suited for 
your intended purpose). 

Happy riding!
Shoji



On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:09:21 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:


 Actually I don't see why they don't do eyelets a plenty on Roadeos for 
 maximum options on a fast bike.

 I don't think it defeats the purpose for light commuters, Randonneurs, or 
 roadies.

 What I don't get it the placement of the chain stay eyelet for rear 
 fender. How do you fender that? Seems so far away from the tire, and in the 
 tightest area if the stays, so looks like the fender won't fit between the 
 status there?



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Re: [RBW] WTB VO rack / decaleur

There was one for sale on the 650b Google group as of yesterday.
On Jul 10, 2014 10:19 AM, Roy Drinkwater roydr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm looking for a VO Pass Hunter Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur.
  Anyone have one that they're willing to sell? *

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[RBW] Re: Official Entmoot Ride, Sunday July 13th

2014-07-10 Thread Evan Baird

My little brother will be visiting with his Steamroller scorcher, so this 
sounds like a good level of abuse to subject him to.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 8:56:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:

 The website has officially singled me out as a ride leader for Sunday.  
 Seeing as my only real Riv is a Quickbeam, I thought I'd make this the 
 official Entmoot ride, built around the capabilities of the Quickbeam.  
 Don't have a specific route laid yet, but I have sought the wisdom of the 
 local sage known as Cyclofiend Steelenframe.  Rest assured that this will 
 be a comparatively chill ride, with much more minimal climbing than Manny's 
 gruelfest epic the day before, good for anyone with a singlespeed, those 
 looking for a more mild ride, or those looking to recover from Manny's 
 ride.  It is an Entmoot, but any creature of the forest will be welcome 
 (read: open to all bikes, not just Quickbeams, singlespeeds, or even Rivs 
 for that matter).  Expect a good amount of gear gawking and arguing about 
 ideal gear ratios and which color of QB was best (the answer is orange, 
 obviously).  There will probably be a stop for beer at somepoint, if I have 
 anything to say about it.   

 I have to work on Saturday so I'll be driving over to China Camp from 
 Berkeley on Sunday morning.  Let's say the ride starts around 10am from the 
 group's campsite?


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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:52:36 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Walking a hill is never a defeat. Believing it is a defeat is a defeat. 
 Grin. And from the few roads I've ridden in Iowa you are right, where there 
 are hills they do not bother to make the road longer. Grin.


You are correct, Deacon. I should have said, ... *surprised* more than a 
few riders from the mountain west *and put them in LCG.*

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Re: [RBW] Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:02:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 The VO Rando bars are a completely different type of bar than the Noodle.  
 I bought a pair of the VO and hated them because I thought they were way 
 too narrow on top for me.  For them to work for me they would need to be 46 
 or 48cm wide where the levers mount and maybe 52 or 54 at the drops.  But 
 the VO I bought seem to be 48 where the barcons mount and that is just way 
 too narrow on the hoods for my (skeletal) frame.


Jim,

I saw a pair of Nitto rando bars on an old Trek the other day, and I'd say 
the VO bars are almost a different kind of bar than the Nitto, too. As you 
say, the tops are narrow—a centimeter or so narrower than Grand Bois, if my 
take on the measurements is correct—and the ramps and reach are extra long. 
The flare is wider, too. The flare and the long drop extensions I like; the 
reach, not as much as I get older.
 

 I think Nitto makes some sort of Rando bar also, not sure what the model 
 number is though.


I believe—though Patrick  (de Nouvelle Mexique, pas le diacre) will know 
better—that the Nitto rando bar is the B 135.

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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread Jim M.

Check out Bicycle Fixation: http://www.bicyclefixation.com/shop.html

Very classy musa knickers (the British listers are snickering about our 
Yank use of their term for underwear).

jim m
wc ca

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:41:10 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:

 or WTB 

 i need a decent quality 3/4 length knicker. 31 waist and not too tight if 
 you have something used. 

 The Riv knickers seem a bit too baggy and the offerings from Swrve a bit 
 to snug around the thigh/calf area 

 mike goldman 
 warwick,r.i. 
  
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Finally...Bridgestone transformed into a Resurrectio

2014-07-10 Thread Addison Wilhite

Thanks for the kind words. I've been having a blast riding the bike the
last couple of days. It's very much reminding me of the explosion of
excitement I had in the early 90s when I discovered what a nice mountain
bike should ride like. That bike was an MB-2...still miss that biplane
fork crown.

I have some Schwalbe Big Apples that will fit on this bike and I'm
considering a switch to see how that changes the ride. The Ritchey knobby
tires I have are 1.9.

Regards,

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:

So cool! Love the colour.
Great write-up, too :-)

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:06:40 PM UTC-4, Addison wrote:

I had a lot of fun restoring my MB-1 and even more fun writing this
tongue in cheek review of a hopelessly outdated lugged steel mountain
bike with friction shifting, no suspension, and 26 wheels. I'm looking
forward to more fun rides.

Hope you enjoy!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/07/introducing-reno-
rambler-resurrectio.html

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/

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Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread Matthew J

Alex:

Those Beta Brand have nice features at a good price.  

How thick are they?  I like wearing knickers as they prevent uncomfortable 
knee sunburn.  The problem I've had with the SF made shorts and tops is 
they do not account for the humid heat we get here in the Midwest.  
Aero-Tech are lighter weight but made to sell for much less with some 
sub-optimal design choices (ie - the inside cinch band at the bottom as 
opposed to velcro cinch on the outside as on the Beta - and larger pockets 
allowing cell phone to move around while riding). 

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:01:19 AM UTC-5, alex han wrote:

 I'd recommend Beta Brand bike to work knickers, which have become my most 
 worn pants very quickly. Looser than Swrve, tighter than Riv, and made in 
 San Francisco. 

 -alex 


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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Finally...Bridgestone transformed into a Resurrectio

2014-07-10 Thread Addison Wilhite

The Beer and Burrito was saved for the end of the ride...

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Greg Reiche s...@cyclart.com wrote:

That was great. Cool project.

(The only thing I would change is that when you're having some mountain
bike action, you don't stop to snack and hydrate. You stop for a beer and
burrito.)

Greg Reiche

CyclArt, Inc.

Vista, CA USA

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Hope you enjoy!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/07/introducing-reno-rambler-resurrectio.html

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[RBW] knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread hsmitham

Mike,

I wear the Prana Knickers.  Their designed for rock climbing but are hands down 
the best ones i've ever worn. Water repellent, stretch fabric, great draw cord, 
plenty of pockets and they dry fast. The bonus is they look great.

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] The Chicken

2014-07-10 Thread Chris Chen

He's Portland's Coconut now.

But regarding the bike, it rides like a dream. The fork geometry is
entirely different than the Hilsen, of course, and it's a bit slower, but
hauling firewood, and carrying a truing stand last night to a friend's
house, the handling was smooth and confident. Goes into a turn wonderfully.

About 12 lbs on the front end on a ramble out the Crown Zellerbach trail
last weekend, no problems at all:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14592066945/

And with the battering ram, I mean, truing stand:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14616121462/

People giggle when they ride this bike.

cc

come visit Portland and take the chicken for a spin


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 where'd you find the French paper boy to haul?


 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:34:11 AM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Design weight 50kg, Coconut weighs about 55kg.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/vinograd/14423894349/


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 wrote:

 Congrats Chris!   Looks sweet man!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 I mentioned the construction of my gravel touring, french paper delivery
 inspired Bantam Bicycle, General Chen's Chicken, a while back.

 Well, it's together, and has already gone on its first overnight.

 Build photo:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14568419045/

 Cheers

 cc

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[RBW] Re: Finally...Bridgestone transformed into a Resurrectio

2014-07-10 Thread Ryan

I always liked the aesthetic of those high-end bridgestones and your 
reimagining is gorgeous! Nice job! I love the paint and the headbadge. A 
fine-riding bike is a fine-riding bike, no matter how old it is.
 
BTW I still own and ride my 1993 X0-1 , which, if not completely stock, is 
still true to the original design
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:06:49 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:

 I had a lot of fun restoring my MB-1 and even more fun writing this 
 tongue in cheek review of a hopelessly outdated lugged steel mountain 
 bike with friction shifting, no suspension, and 26 wheels.  I'm looking 
 forward to more fun rides.

 Hope you enjoy!


 http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/07/introducing-reno-rambler-resurrectio.html

 Addison Wilhite, M.A. 

 Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
 http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/ 

 *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

 Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/

 Blogger: Reno Rambler http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/ 

 Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
 Advisory Committee 
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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Pondero

Philip,

Nothing yet.  I think the pony express is still racing across the Texas 
prairie.  Shoji's delivery suggests the route to Boston is not as hot and 
hard on the horses.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


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RE: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread John Dilsaver

Here in southwest Missouri mine arrived today.John DilsaverSparta, MO

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:45:07 -0700
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

Philip,
Nothing yet.  I think the pony express is still racing across the Texas 
prairie.  Shoji's delivery suggests the route to Boston is not as hot and hard 
on the horses.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

2014-07-10 Thread Patrick Shea

So bring your daughter! She's been camping all week anyway. I think a
ten-year old would be stoked!

Helprman


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 That is kind of tempting.  The issue is my precious 10 year old daughter
 has been at Farm Camp all week, with no phones and I'm missing her
 terribly.  We pick her up early Saturday morning.  I don't want to miss the
 pickup, and I don't want to force my wife to come pick me up at 7AM at
 China Camp


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:10:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 C'mon, Bill! I'm in for a Friday night China Camp sleepover.
 It's RIGHT over the bridge...

 David, do you need a bike?

 Philip
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 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 5:33:37 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, that's what I'm doing. Mad dash up the 5 on Friday, flying back on
 Sat to pack for holiday w/ the fam on Sunday. You gotta' commit, man!

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Easy: join us on FRI or SAT- still plenty of action and you ain't
 missed nothin yet!!!

 On 7/9/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:
  Too bad for me I won't be there.  Our family summer vacation starts
 Sunday.
 
   We're heading to the East Coast.  I'm bummed about it.
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:29:10 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  https://doodle.com/bmgxmxcvv4gwytn5
 
  Total flagrant abuse of what this doodle poll thing was designed
  for... but, it seems to work well 'nuf for our immediate needs...
 
  If you plan to join the events this weekend, do us coordinators a
 huge
  favor and help us get a better head-count for who-what-when-where.
 
  Lo - click and you shall see, spread wide before thee - a big ol'
  chart spelling out the multiple rides / campouts / etc. Enter your
  name (or, handle / moniker / whathaveyou), and then tick off the
 boxes
  you're in for. Any personal data collected will only be used for
  emergency/absolute-necessary contact purposes.
 
  I'll add in new events as they continue to gel.
 
  Thanks!!!
  =- Joe Bunik
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

Welcome back to listlife, Patrick. We need at least three with that name
here.

Still riding ss and flat pedaled on singletrack?


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Patrick Shea helpr...@gmail.com wrote:

 So bring your daughter! She's been camping all week anyway. I think a
 ten-year old would be stoked!

 Helprman


 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is kind of tempting.  The issue is my precious 10 year old daughter
 has been at Farm Camp all week, with no phones and I'm missing her
 terribly.  We pick her up early Saturday morning.  I don't want to miss the
 pickup, and I don't want to force my wife to come pick me up at 7AM at
 China Camp


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:10:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 C'mon, Bill! I'm in for a Friday night China Camp sleepover.
 It's RIGHT over the bridge...

 David, do you need a bike?

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 5:33:37 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, that's what I'm doing. Mad dash up the 5 on Friday, flying back on
 Sat to pack for holiday w/ the fam on Sunday. You gotta' commit, man!

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Easy: join us on FRI or SAT- still plenty of action and you ain't
 missed nothin yet!!!

 On 7/9/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:
  Too bad for me I won't be there.  Our family summer vacation starts
 Sunday.
 
   We're heading to the East Coast.  I'm bummed about it.
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:29:10 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  https://doodle.com/bmgxmxcvv4gwytn5
 
  Total flagrant abuse of what this doodle poll thing was designed
  for... but, it seems to work well 'nuf for our immediate needs...
 
  If you plan to join the events this weekend, do us coordinators a
 huge
  favor and help us get a better head-count for who-what-when-where.
 
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  chart spelling out the multiple rides / campouts / etc. Enter your
  name (or, handle / moniker / whathaveyou), and then tick off the
 boxes
  you're in for. Any personal data collected will only be used for
  emergency/absolute-necessary contact purposes.
 
  I'll add in new events as they continue to gel.
 
  Thanks!!!
  =- Joe Bunik
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  Walnut Creek, CA
 
 
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* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
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it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right

Re: [RBW] Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

I probably wouldn't like the Nitto rando bars either ;)

Personally I think anything that you can get through a randonneuring ride
with is a Rando bar.  YMMV.  :)


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Bob Cook rcook.i...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:02:09 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 The VO Rando bars are a completely different type of bar than the
 Noodle.  I bought a pair of the VO and hated them because I thought they
 were way too narrow on top for me.  For them to work for me they would need
 to be 46 or 48cm wide where the levers mount and maybe 52 or 54 at the
 drops.  But the VO I bought seem to be 48 where the barcons mount and that
 is just way too narrow on the hoods for my (skeletal) frame.


 Jim,

 I saw a pair of Nitto rando bars on an old Trek the other day, and I'd say
 the VO bars are almost a different kind of bar than the Nitto, too. As you
 say, the tops are narrow—a centimeter or so narrower than Grand Bois, if my
 take on the measurements is correct—and the ramps and reach are extra long.
 The flare is wider, too. The flare and the long drop extensions I like; the
 reach, not as much as I get older.


 I think Nitto makes some sort of Rando bar also, not sure what the
 model number is though.


 I believe—though Patrick  (de Nouvelle Mexique, pas le diacre) will know
 better—that the Nitto rando bar is the B 135.

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Re: [RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

The BF Classic knickers are indeed fine looking pants, but I've had a
pair wear through the seat very quickly. Also, I find them cut a little low
in the rise -- I like cycling pants that come up high -- like old man
pants. That way they don't leave a gap at the back when you are in the
hooks.

OTOH, the BF hemp knickers that I have are very comfortable and, so far,
durable. Not nearly as natty, though.

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: a good seamster/seamstress
can turn a pair of good, Goodwill, wool trousers into knickers very easily.
I've done it myself with crude but effective results.

Choose fabric with a dense weave and with some weight to it; not tropical
wool. My favorite (which I foolishly gave away) was a tightly woven, medium
weight tan wool gabardine that would not wrinkle (another sign of good
fabric) and which I simply amputated, hemmed, and added velcro to it.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check out Bicycle Fixation: http://www.bicyclefixation.com/shop.html

 Very classy musa knickers (the British listers are snickering about our
 Yank use of their term for underwear).

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* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
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it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
*  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

Thanks, friends!
I went to the post office this morning, worried that the lack of return 
addresses was going to hold everything up (Maybe they think they're 
bombs!), but the clerk said, No problem. They should just be getting 
places today. 

Philip
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On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:46:54 AM UTC-7, John Dilsaver wrote:

 Here in southwest Missouri mine arrived today.
 John Dilsaver
 Sparta, MO

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 Subject: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

 Philip,

 Nothing yet.  I think the pony express is still racing across the Texas 
 prairie.  Shoji's delivery suggests the route to Boston is not as hot and 
 hard on the horses.

 Chris Johnson
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RE: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Just got mine – spectacular!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:36 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

Thanks, friends!
I went to the post office this morning, worried that the lack of return 
addresses was going to hold everything up (Maybe they think they're bombs!), 
but the clerk said, No problem. They should just be getting places today.

Philip
www.biketinker.comhttp://www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:46:54 AM UTC-7, John Dilsaver wrote:
Here in southwest Missouri mine arrived today.
John Dilsaver
Sparta, MO

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:45:07 -0700
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To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Subject: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
Philip,

Nothing yet.  I think the pony express is still racing across the Texas 
prairie.  Shoji's delivery suggests the route to Boston is not as hot and hard 
on the horses.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Ride to the Entmoot (from Sonoma County?)

I was planning to drive down with all manner of stuff (alternate wheels, 
box of tee shirts, new 15 lb tent), but now am planning to ride from Santa 
Rosa, and try to poach the done-but-not-open 101 San Antonio Rd - Novato 
path. 

Is anyone else up for riding to China Camp from the North on Saturday? 

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot tire recs

I have had a freewheel-equipped S3X, generator hub, and semi-knobbies on 
the QB for the last two days, but I'm going to just ride the fixed C-Line 
wheels. Maybe change the cranks to 39/42 or 44, instead of the 44t Eno set. 

Philip
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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:03:52 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:

 More votes for under biking. I love it! 

 Under biking and adventure it will be. 

 -Aaron Young

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 Whatever you end up with, you'll have fun. And if you end up under biking 
 it, you'll learn all the more! Grin. I took my Barlow Passes on a ride that 
 sounds equivilant to what Jim just described, and it was definitely under 
 biking but I did fine -- just took some bits slower and walked others. No 
 worries.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread Mike Schiller

I've had a tough time finding kickers too,  that fit well and are not too 
baggy.  The Riv's are too baggy and don't stretch, the Swerves too tight 
for my mesomorphic frame.  My favorites are the Portland Cyclewear ones ( 
no longer made) and the Zoic Reign's.  Comfortable through the hips and 
trim at the calf.   The Zoic's are too lightweight though so I'd like to 
find something heavier . I've tried the climbing ones (Prana,Outdoor 
Research/RAB) but they are all too baggy at the calf.  I prefer the fit of 
the  cycling specific ones.

I may order a pair of the Beta's and see how they fit. They are an inch 
shorter ( @19)  than the ones I have so they may be a touch short. The 
Aerotech ones are 17 long , too short for me at ~6ft.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis sails again

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Kirkpatrick

Hey gang,

Thanks all for the well wishes and the kind words.  The first week of the tour 
has been top drawer - I do love Washington State, why I live here after all. 
Anyway am about to hit the mountains and will be more off the grid for those 
watching the blog and photos but will update as I'm able.

Also I just wanted to wish everyone going to the Entmoot the best of times.  
Raise a glass to Rivendell and it's fine employees for me.  Wish I could be 
there but one can't do everything. I know that at least I'll be riding!

Take care,
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Re: [RBW] The Chicken

2014-07-10 Thread Joe Bunik

So, will the Coconut Chicken be serving up at the Jambo???

On 7/10/14, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:
 He's Portland's Coconut now.

 But regarding the bike, it rides like a dream. The fork geometry is
 entirely different than the Hilsen, of course, and it's a bit slower, but
 hauling firewood, and carrying a truing stand last night to a friend's
 house, the handling was smooth and confident. Goes into a turn wonderfully.

 About 12 lbs on the front end on a ramble out the Crown Zellerbach trail
 last weekend, no problems at all:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14592066945/

 And with the battering ram, I mean, truing stand:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14616121462/

 People giggle when they ride this bike.

 cc

 come visit Portland and take the chicken for a spin


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 where'd you find the French paper boy to haul?


 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:34:11 AM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Design weight 50kg, Coconut weighs about 55kg.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/vinograd/14423894349/


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 Congrats Chris!   Looks sweet man!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 I mentioned the construction of my gravel touring, french paper
 delivery
 inspired Bantam Bicycle, General Chen's Chicken, a while back.

 Well, it's together, and has already gone on its first overnight.

 Build photo:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14568419045/

 Cheers

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Re: [RBW] How many of your bikes will take the HAR?

For what it's worth, my Gunnar with the HAR installed, still fit on my
car's roof rack this morning, using a QR style mount on the fork tips.
Most lowrider racks prevent you from putting your bike on that type of
roof-rack mount.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:06:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Tying this HAR thread with the Enmoot bike thread.

IF I was able to go to the Entmoot, I'd be tempted to bring my
double-double, since so many of you will be on your Quickbeams. My
double-double has double fork tip eyelets and mid fork braze-ons, so I went
ahead and set it up with my HAR. Of course I need to bag-match and wait
for the olive HAR panniers, but this is going to be a sweet stripped down
S24O setup. I used the trick of running a bolt from the inside of the
eyelet and a nylock nut holding the rack onto that post from the outside

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aJYGK52a7js/U74QpYj7UWI/B9s/AkcULL73iDI/s1600/IMG_3490.JPG

More Photos of the setup
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157642798847383/

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

For sure the HAR will connect to the lower eyelets. It just won't be
level, most likely. Not being level won't cause any problem besides
looking tilted.

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:08:24 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:

Both my Atlantis and Betty Foy have double eyelets but I did call before
ordering and was told (can’t remember who at RBW answered) that mounting
them to the lower eyelets (on my Saluki) should work just fine. They’re due
to arrive on the 10th so I’ll find out for sure then.

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The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on
mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike?

Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy
a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis,
you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a
San
Marcos, you'll get single eyelets.

I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early
prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I
paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share
that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad.
Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only
now
do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets
and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my
Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I
could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my
Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well.

Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the
HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of
the world but not ideal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

Yes, she would be stoked.  We need to pack and be at the airport that 
evening for our East Coast vacation.  Darn life!

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:54:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Shea wrote:

 So bring your daughter! She's been camping all week anyway. I think a 
 ten-year old would be stoked!

 Helprman


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 That is kind of tempting.  The issue is my precious 10 year old daughter 
 has been at Farm Camp all week, with no phones and I'm missing her 
 terribly.  We pick her up early Saturday morning.  I don't want to miss the 
 pickup, and I don't want to force my wife to come pick me up at 7AM at 
 China Camp


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:10:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 C'mon, Bill! I'm in for a Friday night China Camp sleepover.
 It's RIGHT over the bridge...

 David, do you need a bike? 

 Philip
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 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 5:33:37 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, that's what I'm doing. Mad dash up the 5 on Friday, flying back on 
 Sat to pack for holiday w/ the fam on Sunday. You gotta' commit, man!

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Easy: join us on FRI or SAT- still plenty of action and you ain't
 missed nothin yet!!!

 On 7/9/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:
  Too bad for me I won't be there.  Our family summer vacation starts 
 Sunday.
 
   We're heading to the East Coast.  I'm bummed about it.
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:29:10 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  https://doodle.com/bmgxmxcvv4gwytn5
 
  Total flagrant abuse of what this doodle poll thing was designed
  for... but, it seems to work well 'nuf for our immediate needs...
 
  If you plan to join the events this weekend, do us coordinators a 
 huge
  favor and help us get a better head-count for who-what-when-where.
 
  Lo - click and you shall see, spread wide before thee - a big ol'
  chart spelling out the multiple rides / campouts / etc. Enter your
  name (or, handle / moniker / whathaveyou), and then tick off the 
 boxes
  you're in for. Any personal data collected will only be used for
  emergency/absolute-necessary contact purposes.
 
  I'll add in new events as they continue to gel.
 
  Thanks!!!
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Re: [RBW] The Chicken

2014-07-10 Thread Chris Chen

Sorry Rock Combo.

Coconut, Chen, General Chen's Chicken, and other Sees Including Zees are
gonna be staying in Portland this weekend.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, will the Coconut Chicken be serving up at the Jambo???

 On 7/10/14, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:
  He's Portland's Coconut now.
 
  But regarding the bike, it rides like a dream. The fork geometry is
  entirely different than the Hilsen, of course, and it's a bit slower,
 but
  hauling firewood, and carrying a truing stand last night to a friend's
  house, the handling was smooth and confident. Goes into a turn
 wonderfully.
 
  About 12 lbs on the front end on a ramble out the Crown Zellerbach trail
  last weekend, no problems at all:
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14592066945/
 
  And with the battering ram, I mean, truing stand:
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14616121462/
 
  People giggle when they ride this bike.
 
  cc
 
  come visit Portland and take the chicken for a spin
 
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  where'd you find the French paper boy to haul?
 
 
  On Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:34:11 AM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:
 
  Design weight 50kg, Coconut weighs about 55kg.
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/vinograd/14423894349/
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Mike Williams mkernan...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Congrats Chris!   Looks sweet man!
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:
 
  I mentioned the construction of my gravel touring, french paper
  delivery
  inspired Bantam Bicycle, General Chen's Chicken, a while back.
 
  Well, it's together, and has already gone on its first overnight.
 
  Build photo:
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14568419045/
 
  Cheers
 
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis sails again

I just followed your Flickr page and will be looking for many fine photos
from the Cascades and Sierras during this summer.


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 Hey gang,

 So I'm taking the Atlantis out on another long tour. Just did my first
 night camping and am sending this as I prepare to head out.  You can read
 about this your on the blog which has links to the Photoset (not much there
 yet) as well:

 http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/?p=3428

 Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

2014-07-10 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

Where is Manny's ride on Saturday starting?  I'll be there.

Toshi



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 Yes, she would be stoked.  We need to pack and be at the airport that
 evening for our East Coast vacation.  Darn life!


 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:54:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Shea wrote:

 So bring your daughter! She's been camping all week anyway. I think a
 ten-year old would be stoked!

 Helprman


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 That is kind of tempting.  The issue is my precious 10 year old daughter
 has been at Farm Camp all week, with no phones and I'm missing her
 terribly.  We pick her up early Saturday morning.  I don't want to miss the
 pickup, and I don't want to force my wife to come pick me up at 7AM at
 China Camp


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:10:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 C'mon, Bill! I'm in for a Friday night China Camp sleepover.
 It's RIGHT over the bridge...

 David, do you need a bike?

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 5:33:37 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, that's what I'm doing. Mad dash up the 5 on Friday, flying back
 on Sat to pack for holiday w/ the fam on Sunday. You gotta' commit, man!

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Easy: join us on FRI or SAT- still plenty of action and you ain't
 missed nothin yet!!!

 On 7/9/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:
  Too bad for me I won't be there.  Our family summer vacation starts
 Sunday.
 
   We're heading to the East Coast.  I'm bummed about it.
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:29:10 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  https://doodle.com/bmgxmxcvv4gwytn5
 
  Total flagrant abuse of what this doodle poll thing was designed
  for... but, it seems to work well 'nuf for our immediate needs...
 
  If you plan to join the events this weekend, do us coordinators a
 huge
  favor and help us get a better head-count for who-what-when-where.
 
  Lo - click and you shall see, spread wide before thee - a big ol'
  chart spelling out the multiple rides / campouts / etc. Enter your
  name (or, handle / moniker / whathaveyou), and then tick off the
 boxes
  you're in for. Any personal data collected will only be used for
  emergency/absolute-necessary contact purposes.
 
  I'll add in new events as they continue to gel.
 
  Thanks!!!
  =- Joe Bunik
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[RBW] [RBWJAMBO] special event! harl-wrapping w/ stonehog

2014-07-10 Thread Joe Bunik

Exciting news folks,

Seattle-ite of good taste, Mr. Stonehog (aka Brian Hanson) will be
attending this weekend and I've persuaded him to demo harlequin
wrapping skills to the unwashed masses.

No schedule yet but Friday afternoon @RBW and maybe again Sunday
sometime @China Camp were suggested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/sets/

I know I have a few bars needing the Mr. Hog treatment! ;-)
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[RBW] Re: Ride to the Entmoot (from Sonoma County?)

Keep an eye out for northbound SFRandonneurs.  They are riding SF to 
Cloverdale that day.  Cloverdale to SF the next day

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:39:44 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I was planning to drive down with all manner of stuff (alternate wheels, 
 box of tee shirts, new 15 lb tent), but now am planning to ride from Santa 
 Rosa, and try to poach the done-but-not-open 101 San Antonio Rd - Novato 
 path. 

 Is anyone else up for riding to China Camp from the North on Saturday? 

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Marc Irwin

I'm in Michigan, got my patch today, can't wait to glue it to my 
saddlebagf.  It's like am virtually there!

Marc

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:19:30 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Please tell me people are receiving their patches and shirts...
 Should have been yesterday for CA folk. I had a sudden pang of what if no 
 one gets their stuff??!

 Philip
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 On Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:07:14 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 All Virtual Attendees' patches and shirts are now sitting in the Post 
 Office bin, waiting for 10am Monday to begin winging their ways across the 
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[RBW] Re: Father-Daughter S24O for the 4th

2014-07-10 Thread Ryan

Looks like she's almost  old enough for a nice Riv...Cheviot?...Except she 
has a couple of siblings and her dad isn't named Grant Petersen. Nice 
pictures and write-up as always. Ryan in Winnipeg
On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:12:56 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 In which we discover (not surprisingly):

 — S24O is perfect for a 10 year-old, and has her eager for more and 
 bragging stories to Mama and siblings already.
 — Old rusted tin makes excellent rain protection for a fire.
 — Smoked salmon, avocado, and artisan cheddar with fresh go run coffee is 
 a stunning breakfast.
 — Someone who’s bike weighs half what they do needs a wee push up the 
 steeper hills.
 — Learning how to break while staying on a steeply descending trail AND 
 avoiding trees is possible but not as easy as Papa makes it look. Whew!” 
 says the Papa!

 Enjoy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645528023234/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Father-Daughter S24O for the 4th

Yes indeed! Though I'm going to let them learn on and bash old Treks first. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:05:04 PM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:

 Looks like she's almost  old enough for a nice Riv...Cheviot?...Except she 
 has a couple of siblings and her dad isn't named Grant Petersen. Nice 
 pictures and write-up as always. Ryan in Winnipeg
 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:12:56 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 In which we discover (not surprisingly):

 — S24O is perfect for a 10 year-old, and has her eager for more and 
 bragging stories to Mama and siblings already.
 — Old rusted tin makes excellent rain protection for a fire.
 — Smoked salmon, avocado, and artisan cheddar with fresh go run coffee is 
 a stunning breakfast.
 — Someone who’s bike weighs half what they do needs a wee push up the 
 steeper hills.
 — Learning how to break while staying on a steeply descending trail AND 
 avoiding trees is possible but not as easy as Papa makes it look. Whew!” 
 says the Papa!

 Enjoy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645528023234/

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

2014-07-10 Thread Dan McNamara

Leaving from SF Ferry Building. Detail can be found here:

https://sites.google.com/site/rbwjamboree2014/rides/mannys-ride

Dan



On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where is Manny's ride on Saturday starting?  I'll be there.

 Toshi



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 Yes, she would be stoked.  We need to pack and be at the airport that
 evening for our East Coast vacation.  Darn life!


 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:54:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Shea wrote:

 So bring your daughter! She's been camping all week anyway. I think a
 ten-year old would be stoked!

 Helprman


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 That is kind of tempting.  The issue is my precious 10 year old
 daughter has been at Farm Camp all week, with no phones and I'm missing her
 terribly.  We pick her up early Saturday morning.  I don't want to miss the
 pickup, and I don't want to force my wife to come pick me up at 7AM at
 China Camp


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:10:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 C'mon, Bill! I'm in for a Friday night China Camp sleepover.
 It's RIGHT over the bridge...

 David, do you need a bike?

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

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 Yep, that's what I'm doing. Mad dash up the 5 on Friday, flying back
 on Sat to pack for holiday w/ the fam on Sunday. You gotta' commit, man!

 Cheers,
 David

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 Easy: join us on FRI or SAT- still plenty of action and you ain't
 missed nothin yet!!!

 On 7/9/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:
  Too bad for me I won't be there.  Our family summer vacation
 starts Sunday.
 
   We're heading to the East Coast.  I'm bummed about it.
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:29:10 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com
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  https://doodle.com/bmgxmxcvv4gwytn5
 
  Total flagrant abuse of what this doodle poll thing was designed
  for... but, it seems to work well 'nuf for our immediate needs...
 
  If you plan to join the events this weekend, do us coordinators a
 huge
  favor and help us get a better head-count for who-what-when-where.
 
  Lo - click and you shall see, spread wide before thee - a big ol'
  chart spelling out the multiple rides / campouts / etc. Enter your
  name (or, handle / moniker / whathaveyou), and then tick off the
 boxes
  you're in for. Any personal data collected will only be used for
  emergency/absolute-necessary contact purposes.
 
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[RBW] Deer Shimano: why not just all silver and all black?

These derailers cost about $30-$35 online.  But the color is halfway off.

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-L.-type-.rd_mountain.html

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-S.-type-.rd_mountain.html

If you could just put the silver cage on the silver body...

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[RBW] Re: Father-Daughter S24O for the 4th

2014-07-10 Thread Ryan

Yupgood point ...Ryan in Winnipeg
On Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:13:38 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Yes indeed! Though I'm going to let them learn on and bash old Treks 
 first. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:05:04 PM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:

 Looks like she's almost  old enough for a nice Riv...Cheviot?...Except 
 she has a couple of siblings and her dad isn't named Grant Petersen. Nice 
 pictures and write-up as always. Ryan in Winnipeg
 On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:12:56 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 In which we discover (not surprisingly):

 — S24O is perfect for a 10 year-old, and has her eager for more and 
 bragging stories to Mama and siblings already.
 — Old rusted tin makes excellent rain protection for a fire.
 — Smoked salmon, avocado, and artisan cheddar with fresh go run coffee 
 is a stunning breakfast.
 — Someone who’s bike weighs half what they do needs a wee push up the 
 steeper hills.
 — Learning how to break while staying on a steeply descending trail AND 
 avoiding trees is possible but not as easy as Papa makes it look. Whew!” 
 says the Papa!

 Enjoy: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645528023234/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Deer Shimano: why not just all silver and all black?

youll never even see them when you are riding! Ride on!

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

These derailers cost about $30-$35 online. But the color is halfway off.

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-L.-type-.rd_mountain.html

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-S.-type-.rd_mountain.html

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[RBW] USPS SurePost via RBW

Just a heads up, the free option takes about 2 weeks coast to coast for
orders. Not complaining about free shipping and all but just wanted others
to have a heads up in case they were on a schedule when you order parts and
whatnot.

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[RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

Yes. SurePost is sure to be slow. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:51:26 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Just a heads up, the free option takes about 2 weeks coast to coast for 
 orders. Not complaining about free shipping and all but just wanted others 
 to have a heads up in case they were on a schedule when you order parts and 
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Re: [RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

I knew it would be slow but 2 weeks slow? I think the pony express was
faster, hahaha.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Yes. SurePost is sure to be slow.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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 Just a heads up, the free option takes about 2 weeks coast to coast for
 orders. Not complaining about free shipping and all but just wanted others
 to have a heads up in case they were on a schedule when you order parts and
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Re: [RBW] How many of your bikes will take the HAR?

2014-07-10 Thread john muhl

Hey hey; one of my HAR bags came with a pair of Irish straps. Now to round
up something to strap the other side on with…and see how slanted they end
up being on the lower eyelets.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:06:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Tying this HAR thread with the Enmoot bike thread.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aJYGK52a7js/U74QpYj7UWI/B9s/AkcULL73iDI/s1600/IMG_3490.JPG

More Photos of the setup
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157642798847383/

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

For sure the HAR will connect to the lower eyelets. It just won't be
level, most likely. Not being level won't cause any problem besides
looking tilted.

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:08:24 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:

Both my Atlantis and Betty Foy have double eyelets but I did call
before ordering and was told (can’t remember who at RBW answered) that
mounting them to the lower eyelets (on my Saluki) should work just fine.
They’re due to arrive on the 10th so I’ll find out for sure then.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:

The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on
mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike?

Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you
buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or
Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a
Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets.

Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the
HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of
the world but not ideal.

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Re: [RBW] How many of your bikes will take the HAR?

I'm pretty sure they intend you to use one irish strap for each bag. :-)

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:26:08 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:

Hey hey; one of my HAR bags came with a pair of Irish straps. Now to round
up something to strap the other side on with…and see how slanted they end
up being on the lower eyelets.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:06:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Tying this HAR thread with the Enmoot bike thread.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aJYGK52a7js/U74QpYj7UWI/B9s/AkcULL73iDI/s1600/IMG_3490.JPG

More Photos of the setup
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157642798847383/

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

For sure the HAR will connect to the lower eyelets. It just won't be
level, most likely. Not being level won't cause any problem besides
looking tilted.

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:08:24 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:

Both my Atlantis and Betty Foy have double eyelets but I did call
before ordering and was told (can’t remember who at RBW answered) that
mounting them to the lower eyelets (on my Saluki) should work just fine.
They’re due to arrive on the 10th so I’ll find out for sure then.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com
wrote:

The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on
mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike?

Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you
buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or
Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a
Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets.

I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early
prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth,
I
paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share
that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad.
Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only
now
do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper
eyelets
and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and
my
Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I
could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my
Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well.

Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run
the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the
end
of the world but not ideal.

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[RBW] Re: Deer Shimano: why not just all silver and all black?

Deer Shimano?

Is that a play on words?  Reflecting back on the great looking deerhead 
Deore derailers?

Well played.  

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:35:19 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 These derailers cost about $30-$35 online.  But the color is halfway off.


 http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-L.-type-.rd_mountain.html


 http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/mountain/Alivio/product.-code-RD-M430-S.-type-.rd_mountain.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

2014-07-10 Thread Minh

Well standard UPS ground is 1 week coast-to-coast.  How much of that time 
was UPS time and how much of it was the post-office getting it to you?  i 
think this varies because sometimes my post-office is quick on the 
turn-around and sometimes they take 3-4 days after UPS hands it over.  


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 I knew it would be slow but 2 weeks slow? I think the pony express was 
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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread Pondero

Pony express arrived with my shirt and patch today.

My daughter sent me a text when it arrived saying, It doesn't have a 
return address.  It looks like anthrax.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

2014-07-10 Thread cyclotourist

Sounds like she's met Philip.

Cheers,
David

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 Pony express arrived with my shirt and patch today.

 My daughter sent me a text when it arrived saying, It doesn't have a
 return address.  It looks like anthrax.

 Chris Johnson
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Re: [RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

From the tracking info it's all UPS. Since they are making the bulk of the
money it's no rush on them to get it to the post office.
On Jul 10, 2014 7:50 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well standard UPS ground is 1 week coast-to-coast.  How much of that time
 was UPS time and how much of it was the post-office getting it to you?  i
 think this varies because sometimes my post-office is quick on the
 turn-around and sometimes they take 3-4 days after UPS hands it over.


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 I knew it would be slow but 2 weeks slow? I think the pony express was
 faster, hahaha.


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Re: [RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

My post office is great, they deliver next day when it finally comes in.
On Jul 10, 2014 7:58 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the tracking info it's all UPS. Since they are making the bulk of the
 money it's no rush on them to get it to the post office.
 On Jul 10, 2014 7:50 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well standard UPS ground is 1 week coast-to-coast.  How much of that time
 was UPS time and how much of it was the post-office getting it to you?  i
 think this varies because sometimes my post-office is quick on the
 turn-around and sometimes they take 3-4 days after UPS hands it over.


 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:58:08 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 I knew it would be slow but 2 weeks slow? I think the pony express was
 faster, hahaha.


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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread alex han

Matthew -

I ride in Chicago, but haven't gotten through a whole hot, humid midwest 
summer with them yet. Beta Brand does have a good return policy that should 
work for you if you get them and realize that they're not what you wanted - 
I've been wearing my one pair more than anything else the last few months, 
and am considering buying another. Made in the USA is important to me, so 
pickings are slim. 

-alex

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:10:31 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Alex:

 Those Beta Brand have nice features at a good price.  

 How thick are they?  I like wearing knickers as they prevent uncomfortable 
 knee sunburn.  The problem I've had with the SF made shorts and tops is 
 they do not account for the humid heat we get here in the Midwest.  
 Aero-Tech are lighter weight but made to sell for much less with some 
 sub-optimal design choices (ie - the inside cinch band at the bottom as 
 opposed to velcro cinch on the outside as on the Beta - and larger pockets 
 allowing cell phone to move around while riding). 

 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:01:19 AM UTC-5, alex han wrote:

 I'd recommend Beta Brand bike to work knickers, which have become my most 
 worn pants very quickly. Looser than Swrve, tighter than Riv, and made in 
 San Francisco. 

 -alex 



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Re: [RBW] trade or sell at Rivendell Jamboree?

2014-07-10 Thread Braxton Colagross

I have a medium and my wife picked up a large. I use the medium for normal 
commuting and rambling. The large works great for overnights and huge 
farmer's market runs. All other things the same, I'd say the size decision 
maker should be whether you plan to use it for overnights. 

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:41:22 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:

 Manny!  I'm super close to picking up a Large. What's so fascinating about 
 a Medium or what issues do you have with the Large?

 Just curious,

 Aaron Young
 The Dalles, OR

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Manuel Acosta manueljo...@hotmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I rarely get to try bikes my size with different set-ups. Was looking to 
 try a medium sackville and maybe even trade that day for my large sackville?

 Long shot maybe

 See ya there

 Manny

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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread davidcha

For summer wear I like the Castelli knickers.  Although synthetic, they are 
lightweight, have a decent bib, and a good chamois.

For fall/winter wear, I love the Ibex El Fito 3/4 wool knickers (either with or 
without bibs).  I live in those from October - March.  Did I mention I love 
these?

- Dave

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[RBW] WTB Slicker Sack

2014-07-10 Thread Mathew Greiner

One more bump: surely someone wants to sell that Slicker Sack to fund their 
journey to the Entmoot.

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[RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

2014-07-10 Thread Garth


UPS not-so Surepost and FedEx not-so Smartpost are like the worst of both 
services .  They both use UPS/FedEx repsectively, but sometimes the routing 
gets messed up, which is one major cause of delays. Also, it gets lowest 
priority. And since the PO has final delivery, it's always going to add at 
*least* one day extra over Ground.  I've had Smartpost packages from the 
REI warehouse in PA to my home 100 miles a way take a week. I've told REI 
what I thought of these services .  .. lol.  With regular UPS packages take 
2 days. 

My take .  . .  . every retailer BE upfront of all methods of shipping and 
the extra time involved.  Just because someone offers free shipping, does 
not mean I the consumer must just be thankful and put up with it . Free 
shipping is never truly free, costs are built into the pricing of 
everything in total and having a certain minimum to qualify is a way to 
entice a customer to spend more than they had intended, but are lured by 
the I qualify ! and free carrots !  Oh. . the retail games !!  It's a 
psychological game :)  All of it !

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RE: [RBW] WTB Slicker Sack

2014-07-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

I've got one.  Ping me privately.

-Original Message-
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] WTB Slicker Sack

One more bump: surely someone wants to sell that Slicker Sack to fund their 
journey to the Entmoot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: USPS SurePost via RBW

Well I have no knocks against RBW, they are a retail store and need to make
money. I was just saying as a PSA is all.
On Jul 10, 2014 8:53 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 UPS not-so Surepost and FedEx not-so Smartpost are like the worst of both
 services .  They both use UPS/FedEx repsectively, but sometimes the routing
 gets messed up, which is one major cause of delays. Also, it gets lowest
 priority. And since the PO has final delivery, it's always going to add at
 *least* one day extra over Ground.  I've had Smartpost packages from the
 REI warehouse in PA to my home 100 miles a way take a week. I've told REI
 what I thought of these services .  .. lol.  With regular UPS packages take
 2 days.

 My take .  . .  . every retailer BE upfront of all methods of shipping and
 the extra time involved.  Just because someone offers free shipping, does
 not mean I the consumer must just be thankful and put up with it . Free
 shipping is never truly free, costs are built into the pricing of
 everything in total and having a certain minimum to qualify is a way to
 entice a customer to spend more than they had intended, but are lured by
 the I qualify ! and free carrots !  Oh. . the retail games !!  It's a
 psychological game :)  All of it !

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[RBW] Re: knicker recommendations?

2014-07-10 Thread Dave Brandt

I have a pair of twin 6 size 33 if your interested and in the Bay Area you can 
have them. I think I wore them once. The knicker thing just wasn't for me. If 
they're a little big just get them taken in, I think they were around $100 new. 
I would rather see someone use them.

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Saluki 58cm - custom color + SS coupled!

2014-07-10 Thread Bill

As a two time Saluki owner I am baffled as to why this beauty has not been 
snatched up.  At $1400 he's giving it away.  The velvet ride of GB Hetres 
and SS couplers so you can easily take it anywhere - what's not to love? 
 And a 58 puts it under the tall part of the bell curve for sizing. 
 Whoever buys it, builds it up and rides it will be doing some serious 
head-scratching wondering why someone else didn't beat him/her to the sale. 
 Hang tough, Eric.  It's a beauty and it will sell.  Full disclosure:  I 
don't know Eric but I do know that Salukis are fantastic bikes.

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Saluki 58cm - custom color + SS coupled!

2014-07-10 Thread Minh

LOL, i assumed from the quiet that there's finally a deal in the works :)

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:22:29 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:

 As a two time Saluki owner I am baffled as to why this beauty has not been 
 snatched up.  At $1400 he's giving it away.  The velvet ride of GB Hetres 
 and SS couplers so you can easily take it anywhere - what's not to love? 
  And a 58 puts it under the tall part of the bell curve for sizing. 
  Whoever buys it, builds it up and rides it will be doing some serious 
 head-scratching wondering why someone else didn't beat him/her to the sale. 
  Hang tough, Eric.  It's a beauty and it will sell.  Full disclosure:  I 
 don't know Eric but I do know that Salukis are fantastic bikes.


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[RBW] Re: Homer's first proper, if not long, ride

2014-07-10 Thread Call Me Jay

Awesome.  My new 650b Homer is to arrive on Thursday.  I'll post a ride 
report as well.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:31:53 PM UTC-4, Bob Cook wrote:

 Mounted the Mark's Rack with upside-down EDelux yesterday. Took advantage 
 this morning of beautiful weather for twenty-some miles of rolling Iowa for 
 Homer's first real ride. I must admit I wore padded shorts. Brooks, my 
 English butler (see what I did there?), is simply not adequately accustomed 
 to my posterior yet.

 The bike lives up to the hype. It is ride is smooth, responsive, easy 
 uphill and into the wind. It handles superbly in gravel, even fresh 
 post-flooding dumps of dusty white boulders (thanks Johnson County!). The 
 Marathon Supremes (700C x 40  mm nominal; about 37 mm right now) are 
 characteristically Schwalbe-ish, but at 40-45 psi are cushy enough for the 
 time being. There is plenty of clearance for 40 mm tires, even with 
 fenders, and more without.

 I remain unsure about Noodles, though. I'm used to narrower bars with a 
 rando bend (the LHT has the VO Chris's Rando Bar) and a longer ramp. Not 
 that the Noodles are uncomfortable, but when I hopped on the LHT later to 
 head into the office, the rando ramps felt downright luxurious in 
 comparison. Time will tell. I'm interested in reading comments from those 
 who might have used Noodles then switched to a rando bar, or vice versa, or 
 have one of each on different bikes.

 Pictures show that Iowa is not flat. And that we do indeed have cattle 
 (and hogs, too, but I can't post odors): 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/sets/72157645186309248/

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