Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Berthoud front bag

2014-08-25 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Well, if you don't mind the points I raised on the Oripington--which you 
may well not mind, they're idiosyncratic--it's a great bag at a great 
price.  And unlike everything else, comes in your choice of colors, now 
including bright red.

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:49:29 PM UTC-4, Sean Cleary wrote:

 Thought my chances were best posting for a used Berthoud bag but if having 
 to buy new, would much prefer Loyal or Ruth Works over a new Frenchy front 
 bag. That said, I remain open to what fellow RBWers have to sell or swap.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of Rivendell Parts - 650B Wheelset, Shifters, Brakes, Derailleurs, Tires, Hupe, more

2014-08-25 Thread Johnny Alien
Thanks!  Message sent.  The XT rear derailleur is gone as well.  

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[RBW] Re: Swappin' wheelsets question...

2014-08-25 Thread Michael Hechmer
No problem as long as both wheels have gear set ups within the range of the 
deraillers.
Michael

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:42:01 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 My two Rivs have GB and Velocity sets.
 Both bikes are 8-speed with the same chains on 'em.
 Is there anything wrong with swappin' wheelsets between the bikes just for 
 fun. I guess not. But as an un-mechanic am not sure if there is some hidden 
 thing I am not aware of.
 Thanks!


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[RBW] Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Michael Hechmer
As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
square off with a brute and conquer it.

So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to Smugglers 
Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double gearing 
(30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 2004 or 
5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of the Appalachian Gap, a 
beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at the top.  I wanted to 
celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb goes up about 1700 
feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, then there's a 
couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, which gain about 
1100 feet. 

I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is just 
before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I stop 
again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on air 
and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before the 
top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I wondered 
if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before the final 
12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important things.  Why 
the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the last one 
before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a Sunday, too 
much traffic, but life has been very busy.

Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I feel 
pretty good now on Monday morning.

Michael


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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Avery Wilson
Also - 

Went on a decently longish test ride last night and I have determined that 
I am just an albatross bar man.  I have to throw my preconceived notions of 
what a road bike looks like out the window and realize that I'm happier and 
more comfortable on Albatross bars.  I don't really have a speed penalty 
either, as I am plenty fast enough on my albas, but may be *feel* as fast.. 
maybe I equate my discomfort with speed, because I used to ride bikes that 
were plenty fast yet uncomfortable.

I just ordered these http://store.somafab.com/diacodchareb.htmlto try and 
give me that on the hoods position with the albas for when I really want 
to stretch out and go fast.  I know it says 23.8mm clamp, but I'm figuring 
I can make it work with the albas.  I'm also wondering if a 14cm stem, vs 
the 12cm I've got on on there would give me an even better balance of being 
able to get upright, while also being able to stretch out and get low(ish) 
into a headwind.  Or maybe I just put the knobs on there and lower the stem 
a tad.

Thanks for listening/reading!

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Re: [RBW] Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Lyle Bogart
Nice report and Happy Soon-to-be Birthday! I must say, no longer living in
Vermont, I do miss the Gap rides!

Cheers!

lyle

On Monday, August 25, 2014, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb,
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together,
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet,
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles,
 which gain about 1100 feet.

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is just
 before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I stop
 again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on air
 and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before the
 top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I wondered
 if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before the final
 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important things.  Why
 the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the last one
 before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a Sunday, too
 much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael


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[RBW] Re: Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Happy birthday, Michael! Awesome tradition, square off with a brute! I 
love it! 22% Yipes!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:01:46 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to 
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double 
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of 
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at 
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb 
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, 
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, 
 which gain about 1100 feet. 

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is just 
 before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I stop 
 again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on air 
 and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before the 
 top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I wondered 
 if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before the final 
 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important things.  Why 
 the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the last one 
 before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a Sunday, too 
 much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I 
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael




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[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread Ginz
Andrew,

I haven't tried this but I am surprised that folks run anything other than 
the Cane Creek or the Bertoud setup.  I run my Rohloff on a flat handlebar 
and takes quite a bit of twisting force to shift.  If I had to take my 
hands off the bars, I'd probably be wobbling all over the place.  Of 
course, my Rohloff bike is more of a trail bike which makes that problem 
worse.

You can always try it and change it later.  It looks like the stem-mounted 
setup won't cost you much if anything extra.

Ginz






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[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread davidfrench
I have the CoMotion shifter that comes in 31.8mm to attach close to the stem 
(on 31.8 bars of course). I really like this one, its sturdy and offer a really 
good grip. Maybe useless if you're thinking of a bike with quil stem tho...

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Takashi
Hi Avery
I am happy to see another cockpit swapper!
I swap handlebars very often.

Noodle on Dirt Drop 8cm stem 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14130158365/
Albatross on Nitto Technomic 10cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8160613734/
Bullmoose, with Dia Compe hand rests 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8626592972/
Bosco on Nitto Technomic 13cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14771364047/

Like you, I think that drop bar looks best, and climbing is easiest with 
drop bar.
Adding Dia Compe hand rests on other three types makes climbing much easier 
though.

I think Boscos look best when on bikes with fatter tires.
BOM by Brian https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff18.htm on Riv website 
looks awesome.

On longer rides, Albas and Boscos are not as comfortable as I have expected.
Not only my buttocks become sore, but also my hands become numb.
It's somewhat surprising, since I have expected that being upright takes 
stresses away from my hands.
I still like both of them because riding upright allows me to look at 
sceneries more.
Also, descending not-so-bumpy roads is more fun with upright bars.

Bullmoose is much comfortable than I assumed.
I bought it for relatively short, rough-terrain rides. I haven't done 
really long rides with it, but I think I can do them.

Takashi


2014年8月25日月曜日 4時44分58秒 UTC+9 Avery Wilson:

 Hello, my name is Avery and I'm a cockpit swapper..

 I know there's many more just like me, so I'm just looking for 
 camaraderie, justification, etc!  I've tried Noodles with a 10cm stem, dirt 
 drop stem, and now an 8cm stem, as well as albastache and albatross with 
 varying stem lengths.

 I've never been happier than when I've had albatross bars with a 12cm stem 
 on my 61cm Hilsen (see picture here 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/15023102785/in/photostream/), 
 but I swapped back to drops this afternoon because it just *seems right* for 
 this bike to have drops.  Am I vain? Am I living in my racer past?  I can 
 hold 18mph on flat land for 20+miles with a load in my bag while riding my 
 albatross bars, so its not really extra speed I'm going for. I don't know 
 what it is that keeps drawing me back to drops.  Maybe its visual, or 
 aesthetic? I'm just not sure.

 Comments from other serial cockpit swappers appreciated!


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[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread R Gonet
Andrew,

Some years ago I ran a Rohloff on my Hilsen and tried both the Hubbub (#2) 
and the bar-end for quill stem (#11).  I preferred the bar-end method.  I 
don't use the drops that much, so the quill was much closer to my hand. 
 It's also less expensive and would be a good place to start since, as you 
point out it doesn't interfere with your experimentation with bars and 
brake levers.  Another thing that the writer does not mention about the 
Hubbub is that it slips into the end of your bar and extends the length by 
several inches, so you really need to saw off a piece of your bar end.  If 
you decide to go the Hubbub route, PM me and I'll see if I can still find 
my old one for you.




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[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread blakcloud

I remember seeing this setup on Flickr. Cruise through his photos to see 
the complete bike. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andychurch/7302139292/in/photostream/

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[RBW] FS: Mark's Tool Bag (grid grey) - $25

2014-08-25 Thread Jenny
For Sale - Mark's Tool Bag in grid gray, $25, includes shipping.

- Jenny

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[RBW] Re: D2R2

2014-08-25 Thread Ben Obrien
i was there too. i did see some one pass me on a Roadeo! i rode the 100k on 
a non-Riv, but saw a bunch of Rivs along the way. a double top tubed Homer 
Hilsen, a Bleriot, and John on his Hillborne. it was a great time for sure. 
i rode the 40 mile on my Quickbeam last year and loved that too. 

On Monday, August 18, 2014 11:12:44 PM UTC-4, Kevin C wrote:

 I am wondering if there will be any other Rivendell riders at the D2R2 
 this coming Saturday in western MA?  I will be riding the 180k course on my 
 Roadeo.  I have seen and briefly spoken with a few other Rivendell riders 
 in the last couple of years, but was curious if there would be any this 
 year.  I know there are several route options and everyone rides at their 
 own pace, but if anyone else is planning to be there, it would be fun to 
 say hi and compare set ups at the start/ finish area.



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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Richard L.
Avery,

Your Hilsen looks great with either bar, just different.  To help you with 
your racer past, maybe you should find a Roadeo for your drop bars, and 
leave the Albatross on your Hilsen.  Don't worry, you won't have to sign up 
for Frame Swappers Anonymous. 

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Re: [RBW] Toddlers, Kids, Urban Transport, and your Riv

2014-08-25 Thread Eli Daniel
Hi Jay,

I've used a couple rear child seats on my Sam H without much trouble, and I
do like the Yepp Maxi.  Lifting my leg over the top tube did take getting
used to, and I made the mistake once of forgetting about the child seat,
trying to swing my leg over the saddle, kicking my kid in the head and
almost crashing in the process.  Not a mistake I'll make again! :)

But really, other than remembering that I have to, lifting a leg over the
top tube really isn't a big deal for me.  I'd suggest finding someone to
borrow a rear seat from locally and just try it out and see how it is for
you.

Luggage is the bigger problem: you probably can't use panniers or a
saddlebag with a rear seat.  I have a small front bag on my Sam for that
very reason (Acorn mini rando bag, no longer in production I think).

I found the useful lifespan of the rear seat to be limited too.  My older
kid outgrew the Copilot we were using at about 4, and my younger one is
still going strong in the yepp maxi at 3, but it clearly won't last years
and years.

We also use a Weehoo (a recumbent-style trail-a-bike), which both kids
love.  The younger one started going in it around 2 1/2.  She still doesn't
particularly contribute much to pedaling yet, but it's great anyway.  And
it does allow panniers, and also has some built-in luggage.  So that may be
an option to consider too.

There are also getting to be tons of family-specific cargo bikes -- I love
our Workcycles FR8 -- but if you're not into the xtracycle you already
have, that may be less exciting.  It got to be much more compelling for us
when trying to carry two kids on one bike, which sounds like it's not an
issue for you.  But it's really cool to be able to comfortably carry two
kids to school with their backpacks and lunch and my work stuff and still
have plenty of room for picking up groceries or whatever else.  But
definitely a transport bike: it's REALLY heavy, bolt upright, doesn't go
fast.

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Somerville, MA






On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:04 PM, 'Jay B' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

howdy folks,

We’ve been super happy with the Bobike Mini front child carrier for toting
around our nearly 2 year old for the last year. Combined with a large rear
saddlesack and front basket on the Bleriot, Betty, or Quickbeam, we’ve got
our daily urban transport needs just about covered (we just moved to
Houston, and while it’s not nearly as bike-friendly as Denver, it’s proved
surprisingly bike-able for our needs).

Our little guy is approaching the 33 lb suggested weight limit for the
Bobike, but more concerning to me is that his shoulders are now several
inches above the top of the backrest of the carrier and the shoulder straps
tend to work their way off his shoulders. So, I’ve been pondering our next
step.

I’ve considered getting a Yepp Maxi (or similar rear child carrier), and
while it would work great with my wife’s Betty, I think I might get tired
of throwing my leg over my already high (for me) top tubes.  And I would
have a hard time giving up my much used and loved large rear saddlesack.
 I’ve considered getting a Cheviot and setting it up similar to RBW
employee Keven’s that was spotlighted on the Blug, especially if I could
fit Big Bens and fenders on it (I’ve yet to reach out to Keven to see how
that setup is going). I have an Xtracycle that would also work with the
Yepp Maxi, but I was really hoping to let that bike go as we really don’t
use it often enough.

I feel I have reached the useful limit of my theoretical ponderings on the
matter and could really use some real world feedback from those of you with
experience.  All shared knowledge and lessons learned are much appreciated!

thanks,

Jay B.
Houston, TX

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[RBW] Re: Toddlers, Kids, Urban Transport, and your Riv

2014-08-25 Thread Mathew Greiner
It seems like you're busy filling a gap between now and the not too distant 
future when your small person can be trusted to sit on his own in some fashion. 
Perhaps one of the trailers like a Burley or a Weehoo?
I can't imagine why you'd get rid of the Xtracycle. Kids on cargo bikes make an 
ideal situation. By the time he's three, it wil be your best solution. I'd not 
be surprised if you could accessorize it in a way to make it work well now.

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Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread David McCulloch
Andrew,

I have a custom stem that has a clamp on the underside of the stem extension, 
essentially like the Thorn 55mm accessory bar and the Rodriguez Doohickey. It 
is a clamp brazed to the underside of the extension and is mtb bar diameter. I 
have a scrap piece of mtb bar and the stock Rohloff shifter is on the right and 
my bike computer is on the left of the stem. It works just fine for road 
riding, riding single track it is a little more awkward then having it right by 
the brake. Especially if you are riding slowly over roots and tricky terrain 
and need to shift really often to keep up with the less fearless riders.

My handle bar is a 31.8 Salsa Cowbell with Cane Creek road brake levers.  It is 
a comfortable setup.  I like the Rohloff, even if it is on the heavy side, the 
shifting is sublime, smooth, either static or pedaling.

I'm happy with my setup.

David

On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:24 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm purt near serious about making up a new frame with a Rohloff IGH. Looking 
 at the myriad ways of mounting the shifter, I'm drawn to putting it on the 
 quill stem, like shown here, #11, on someone's Atlantis:
 
 http://cyclingabout.com/index.php/2011/11/rohloff-hubs-with-drop-handlebars/
 
 This seems reasonable, and leaves me free to experiment with bars and brake 
 levers. Anyone done this and liked it over the long haul?
 
 - Andrew, Berkeley
 
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[RBW] Re: Toddlers, Kids, Urban Transport, and your Riv

2014-08-25 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Everyone:
Some nice kid-hauling set ups!

I have my Hunqapillar set up for kid hauling (2-yo and 4-yo). Yepp Mini 
front seat (which I highly recommend) on albatross hbars; Burley Piccolo 
trail-a-bike (has its own dedicated rear rack). I also have a Burley D'Lite 
trailer. (I'm also an h-bar swapper... but that's a different thread.)

I skipped the rear bike seat (I would have chosen the Yepp Maxi) and jumped 
to the trail-a-bike. (Note: I had and have a 2-child trailer already in the 
shed. Having it made it easier for me to forgo the rear bike seat, as I 
could use the 2-child trailer if/when necessary.)

My son was ready for the trail-a-bike at ~3.5 yo. I could trust him to hold 
on and communicate, though I was extra cautious and kept an eye on him with 
the Riv-German mirror. I've heard of children getting sleepy while on 
trail-a-bikes, so I haven't taken him on long excursions on it. Initially, 
the saddle height couldn't be lowered enough for him to pedal, so I zipped 
tied the crank to the chain stay to create a platform for him to stand. 

I take him to school on the trail-a-bike. Of course, it's compatible with 
the front Yepp Mini, which I sometimes have my 2-yo.

You'll have to give up your Saddlesack when using the Piccolo, but no big 
deal. It goes on/off quite easily. If necessary, you can attach certain 
panniers to the Piccolo rack while pulling the trail-a-bike. I picked up 
the HAR/HAB for family picnics. (Works great.)

Some pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/13999203980/in/set-72157643709359733
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14374522134/

And the family on the virtual Enmoot:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14665658393/in/set-72157643709359733

2-child trailer: It's nice for hauling kids and toys to the park or around 
places. I prefer having them on the Yepp or Piccolo, but it's convenient 
and stable. I'm not sure how much longer my 4yo will be able to fit into it 
with his sister.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14235538308/




On Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:04:28 PM UTC-4, Jay B wrote:

 howdy folks,

 We’ve been super happy with the Bobike Mini front child carrier for toting 
 around our nearly 2 year old for the last year. Combined with a large rear 
 saddlesack and front basket on the Bleriot, Betty, or Quickbeam, we’ve got 
 our daily urban transport needs just about covered (we just moved to 
 Houston, and while it’s not nearly as bike-friendly as Denver, it’s proved 
 surprisingly bike-able for our needs).  

 Our little guy is approaching the 33 lb suggested weight limit for the 
 Bobike, but more concerning to me is that his shoulders are now several 
 inches above the top of the backrest of the carrier and the shoulder straps 
 tend to work their way off his shoulders. So, I’ve been pondering our next 
 step. 

 I’ve considered getting a Yepp Maxi (or similar rear child carrier), and 
 while it would work great with my wife’s Betty, I think I might get tired 
 of throwing my leg over my already high (for me) top tubes.  And I would 
 have a hard time giving up my much used and loved large rear saddlesack. 
  I’ve considered getting a Cheviot and setting it up similar to RBW 
 employee Keven’s that was spotlighted on the Blug, especially if I could 
 fit Big Bens and fenders on it (I’ve yet to reach out to Keven to see how 
 that setup is going). I have an Xtracycle that would also work with the 
 Yepp Maxi, but I was really hoping to let that bike go as we really don’t 
 use it often enough.  

 I feel I have reached the useful limit of my theoretical ponderings on the 
 matter and could really use some real world feedback from those of you with 
 experience.  All shared knowledge and lessons learned are much appreciated!

 thanks,

 Jay B.
 Houston, TX 


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[RBW] Re: Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Michael:  That is indeed a brute of a climb... Did you approach from 
Jeffersonville or Stowe?  I still recall riding over the Notch back in 
college (all loaded up)... Tough climb from Jeffersonville, but was glad to 
be riding DOWN the Stowe side.  Nice job... Take the day off !!!

Peace,
BB

On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:01:46 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to 
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double 
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of 
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at 
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb 
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, 
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, 
 which gain about 1100 feet. 

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is just 
 before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I stop 
 again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on air 
 and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before the 
 top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I wondered 
 if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before the final 
 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important things.  Why 
 the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the last one 
 before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a Sunday, too 
 much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I 
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael




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Re: [RBW] Re: D2R2

2014-08-25 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
i was there on my Heron Wayfarer and rode the 100k. it was a last minute 
decision as i acquired a free registration from someone who couldnt make it

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Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
I met someone on a 100k riding a Simpleone with the Berthoud setup, it was
gorgeous and he was happy with the functionality.
On Aug 24, 2014 10:24 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm purt near serious about making up a new frame with a Rohloff IGH.
 Looking at the myriad ways of mounting the shifter, I'm drawn to putting it
 on the quill stem, like shown here, #11, on someone's Atlantis:


 http://cyclingabout.com/index.php/2011/11/rohloff-hubs-with-drop-handlebars/

 This seems reasonable, and leaves me free to experiment with bars and
 brake levers. Anyone done this and liked it over the long haul?

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Ron Mc
obviously on and off, but I have been riding with my best riding buddy 
since 6th grade.  We've also celebrated birthdays together since college - 
Aug 22/23, and looks like Michael's b/d is pretty close.  We had an easy 
ride Saturday, though, because he was keeping his CK down for a blood 
baseline test coming up this week.  He did give me a sixpack of Ballast 
Point Sculpin, which was a thoughtful present.  

On Monday, August 25, 2014 10:52:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Michael:  That is indeed a brute of a climb... Did you approach from 
 Jeffersonville or Stowe?  I still recall riding over the Notch back in 
 college (all loaded up)... Tough climb from Jeffersonville, but was glad to 
 be riding DOWN the Stowe side.  Nice job... Take the day off !!!

 Peace,
 BB

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:01:46 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to 
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double 
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of 
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at 
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb 
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, 
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, 
 which gain about 1100 feet. 

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is 
 just before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I 
 stop again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on 
 air and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before 
 the top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I 
 wondered if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before 
 the final 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important 
 things.  Why the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the 
 last one before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a 
 Sunday, too much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I 
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael




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[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread Ginz
Correction: Co Motion - not Cane Creek

On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:31:24 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:

 Andrew,

 I haven't tried this but I am surprised that folks run anything other than 
 the Cane Creek or the Bertoud setup.  I run my Rohloff on a flat handlebar 
 and takes quite a bit of twisting force to shift.  If I had to take my 
 hands off the bars, I'd probably be wobbling all over the place.  Of 
 course, my Rohloff bike is more of a trail bike which makes that problem 
 worse.

 You can always try it and change it later.  It looks like the stem-mounted 
 setup won't cost you much if anything extra.

 Ginz






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[RBW] FS: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 8cm ext. - 26mm Clamp.

2014-08-25 Thread Mattt
Selling one Nitto Dirt Drop stem.  Extension is 8cm and the clamp is 
26mm. It is in super condition. 

Price is $55 shipped.  Offers welcome, but a denial may happen.

Please let me know if you want a picture at a different angle.

Send me a message off list.  I live in Oklahoma City for a face to face.

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Re: [RBW] Padded cycling undies vs. cycling shorts...easier leg movement?

2014-08-25 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Since going to Selle Anatomica saddles, I have generally not needed any
padding. When I was using it, padded briefs by Zoic were excellent. I came
by a couple which were inside baggy shorts, but removable, so they can be
used under anything desired.I see that they now sell JUST the pad.
http://www.zoic.com/mensmtbshorts#


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:38 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some of you Rivriders jettison the idea of cycling shorts, but I know some
 of you wear padded shorts. I was wondering:

 *1. Do the padded undies move easier with your leg movements?*
 I like a padded short for long rides, but want to to avoid the harsh
 elasticy resistance of the cycling short.
 Seems like my wool, and also lycra-type cycling shorts tend to have a
 snap-back type of resistance that gets worse as they inexorably
 age/shrink.
 Was hoping plain padded shorts are a lighter, easier moving feel.
 I could wear them under MUSA shorts or my cheapy 6$ sweat shorts.

 *2. Does the pad and short legs stay in place well on the undies, or do
 the shift and ride up on you?*
 Thanks for any info.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Avery,

I swapped around a fair bit till I found handlebar paradise with the 
Albastaches. Albatross, Bosco, Moustache, and noodles. Sounds like you may 
have found the cure with the Albatross!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] WTB: Drivetrain components; FS: Nitto M-14 and Big Rear Rack

2014-08-25 Thread shawn m.
Building up a 56cm Atlantis frameset (thanks, Eric!), I've now discovered 
that neither of the rear derailers I own are going to work. So, I'm looking 
for a long cage RD and a suitable FD (for a 44/36/26 triple), and some 
Silver downtube shifters. A 113mm bottom bracket is on the wishlist, as 
well. If you have any or all of these languishing in your parts bin, and 
you're interested in selling, please let me know.

I also have a couple racks for sale:

A M-14, like new, mounted once (it didn't work out) on a 54cm Hunqapillar: 
$80 shipped CONUS
A Nitto Big Rear Rack, the previous style with the taller tombstone, with 
an unopened bag of installation hardware. Excellent condition: $160 shipped 
CONUS


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Drivetrain components; FS: Nitto M-14 and Big Rear Rack

2014-08-25 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
I have a 113 BB...linked here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/am-s/14183446620/.  Your choice, $10 + 
shipping from Connecticut.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:53:02 PM UTC-4, shawn m. wrote:

 Building up a 56cm Atlantis frameset (thanks, Eric!), I've now discovered 
 that neither of the rear derailers I own are going to work. So, I'm looking 
 for a long cage RD and a suitable FD (for a 44/36/26 triple), and some 
 Silver downtube shifters. A 113mm bottom bracket is on the wishlist, as 
 well. If you have any or all of these languishing in your parts bin, and 
 you're interested in selling, please let me know.

 I also have a couple racks for sale:

 A M-14, like new, mounted once (it didn't work out) on a 54cm Hunqapillar: 
 $80 shipped CONUS
 A Nitto Big Rear Rack, the previous style with the taller tombstone, with 
 an unopened bag of installation hardware. Excellent condition: $160 shipped 
 CONUS




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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Another h-bar swapper 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/sets/72157644332271299/

   - 48cm Noodles on 10cm Nitto Lugged Stem
   - Albatross on 12cm Tallux Stem
   - Moustache (classic) on 7cm Technomic Stem
   - Bullmoose (not Bosco)
   
I have them set up for my Hunqapillar with DaVinci derailler cable 
splitters. They each have their own brake straddle hanger (F+R) and cable 
stops. I have one set of bar-end shifters to swap between the Noodles and 
Moustache; and one set of thumbies to swap between Albatross and Bullmoose.

If one-h-bar ruled them all, it would be the Noodles. I like the looks 
(drop-bar mountain bikes look great IMHO), the number and variety of hand 
positions is welcome on short and long rides. Having them on a threaded 
steerer is an added bonus. If I'm feeling a little off, I can easily raise 
it a few cms for a more comfortable position. (I usually run them with tops 
~saddle height, and I use the drops+hooks/ramps/hoods ~40/40/20.)

I have the albas for running my Yepp Mini front child seat. I like the 
albas, but I don't love them. I'd like a bit more racy position, and I 
think my bike might be sized a little too small for me with these bars. 

The moustache is comfy and looks great. There's terrific control for single 
track. Two disadv/dislikes-- I like a drop position when the headwinds are 
strong, and it interferes with the basket/shopsack I have on front rack. 

Bullmoose is a beautiful bar with terrific control. It is comfortable for 
my short 6-mile commute. It's a bit too wide for navigating the traffic, 
though. These are limited to short distance rides or off-road trails. I'll 
put them on for friends who would otherwise be intimidated by 
Noodles/Moustache. My SO really likes these bars.

RE: Surly-- to provide my experience to Steve P.'s question:
I have a Crosscheck, and my experience is similar to Avery's. The 
Hunqapillar, despite being much heavier (by lifting it, I haven't weighed 
it on a scale), is significantly faster. It feels like it wants to go, 
whereas I feel like I'm riding into a perpetual headwind on the CC. (CC 
w/JB Greens; Hunqapillar w/Big Bens. Hunqapillar w/Compass 26x1.75 is 
noticeably faster.)

As Patrick M. has written, the Riv has a unique turn-in feel that's 
confidence inspiring. It's responsive but not twitchy. By contrast, the CC 
has lots of flop.

shoji


On Monday, August 25, 2014 11:20:57 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:

 Hi Avery
 I am happy to see another cockpit swapper!
 I swap handlebars very often.

 Noodle on Dirt Drop 8cm stem 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14130158365/
 Albatross on Nitto Technomic 10cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8160613734/
 Bullmoose, with Dia Compe hand rests 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8626592972/
 Bosco on Nitto Technomic 13cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14771364047/

 Like you, I think that drop bar looks best, and climbing is easiest with 
 drop bar.
 Adding Dia Compe hand rests on other three types makes climbing much 
 easier though.

 I think Boscos look best when on bikes with fatter tires.
 BOM by Brian https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff18.htm on Riv 
 website looks awesome.

 On longer rides, Albas and Boscos are not as comfortable as I have 
 expected.
 Not only my buttocks become sore, but also my hands become numb.
 It's somewhat surprising, since I have expected that being upright takes 
 stresses away from my hands.
 I still like both of them because riding upright allows me to look at 
 sceneries more.
 Also, descending not-so-bumpy roads is more fun with upright bars.

 Bullmoose is much comfortable than I assumed.
 I bought it for relatively short, rough-terrain rides. I haven't done 
 really long rides with it, but I think I can do them.

 Takashi


 2014年8月25日月曜日 4時44分58秒 UTC+9 Avery Wilson:

 Hello, my name is Avery and I'm a cockpit swapper..

 I know there's many more just like me, so I'm just looking for 
 camaraderie, justification, etc!  I've tried Noodles with a 10cm stem, dirt 
 drop stem, and now an 8cm stem, as well as albastache and albatross with 
 varying stem lengths.

 I've never been happier than when I've had albatross bars with a 12cm 
 stem on my 61cm Hilsen (see picture here 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/15023102785/in/photostream/), 
 but I swapped back to drops this afternoon because it just *seems right* for 
 this bike to have drops.  Am I vain? Am I living in my racer past?  I can 
 hold 18mph on flat land for 20+miles with a load in my bag while riding my 
 albatross bars, so its not really extra speed I'm going for. I don't know 
 what it is that keeps drawing me back to drops.  Maybe its visual, or 
 aesthetic? I'm just not sure.

 Comments from other serial cockpit swappers appreciated!



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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Avery Wilson
I have the albas for running my Yepp Mini front child seat. I like the 
albas, but I don't love them. I'd like a bit more racy position, and* I 
think my bike might be sized a little too small for me with these bars.* 

I think this might be my experience as well, as evidenced by my musings 
over whether a 14cm stem and the forward knob addition would make my 
Albatross bars a better fit.  I am right on the border (88pbh) between a 61 
and a 63 AHH, and when a 61 in black/cream came up used here on the list, I 
jumped on it.

I don't think my bike is too small overall - I don't think I could 
comfortably run drop bars on a 63 Hilsen, as I've already only got an 8cm 
Tallux on there to make it work, but if I wanted to run Albas full time, I 
might think about trading my 61 out for a 63.

Any takers? :)

I'm going to put those dia-compe knobs in the most forward position on the 
hooks of the albas and see if that way I can achieve handlebar nirvana - 
forward when I want it, but with a nice retreat to the grips when I want to 
sit up and look around.

FWIW, I did 70 miles with albas last weekend and was not at all 
dissatisfied.. I'm just always looking to tinker and see if there just 
might be something even better out there!  (Is this evidence of my 
addiction to cockpit swapping?)

Avery

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Chris Chen
I think the albastaches and the hilsen were made for each other. I have
discovered that by running them flatter than I think appropriate, it
relieves a lot of the wrist pain I get from hyperextending my wrists.

Part of this is because I often set my handlebars while standing on the
floor over my bike, which is not at all the angle I get if I'm in the
saddle. So, flatter they go.

cc


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Avery Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have the albas for running my Yepp Mini front child seat. I like the
 albas, but I don't love them. I'd like a bit more racy position, and* I
 think my bike might be sized a little too small for me with these bars.* 

 I think this might be my experience as well, as evidenced by my musings
 over whether a 14cm stem and the forward knob addition would make my
 Albatross bars a better fit.  I am right on the border (88pbh) between a 61
 and a 63 AHH, and when a 61 in black/cream came up used here on the list, I
 jumped on it.

 I don't think my bike is too small overall - I don't think I could
 comfortably run drop bars on a 63 Hilsen, as I've already only got an 8cm
 Tallux on there to make it work, but if I wanted to run Albas full time, I
 might think about trading my 61 out for a 63.

 Any takers? :)

 I'm going to put those dia-compe knobs in the most forward position on the
 hooks of the albas and see if that way I can achieve handlebar nirvana -
 forward when I want it, but with a nice retreat to the grips when I want to
 sit up and look around.

 FWIW, I did 70 miles with albas last weekend and was not at all
 dissatisfied.. I'm just always looking to tinker and see if there just
 might be something even better out there!  (Is this evidence of my
 addiction to cockpit swapping?)

 Avery

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[RBW] FS: Silver Shifters Barends (Shimano pods) $60 shipped

2014-08-25 Thread David Banzer
After visiting my family out in Seattle, I completely forgot that I had 
ordered and had sent out there some shifters for my 650b that lives at my 
folks' place.
Well, turns out after a couple rides, that I prefer the existing downtube 
shifters on the bike.

So, for sale:
Silver Barend Shifters
These started their life as dt shifters, and were converted to barends with 
Shimano pods. 
Very nice condition, minimal wear, c.

$60 shipped conUS.
Paypal Personal payments please. If Personal doesn't work, then please 
cover PP fees.
Or pickup in Chicago for a shipping discount.

Thanks,
David
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Re: [RBW] FS: Ibex Woolies Boxer Brief - M

2014-08-25 Thread bo richardson
i cant pick up email addresses from my 
ipad
i will try the other computer
and you might send me an email
so i have the correct address for paypal

thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rise of the Halo Bicycle

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
my wife said I was all the dishing tool we'll ever need...

soap on, soap off...


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 And then there's this:

 http://www.efficientvelo.com/product/trigger-wheel-dishing-tool/

 Hey you always wanted a dishing tool made from columbus tubing, right?

 It's actually a joy to use (I don't own one), but man


 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:48 AM, KB bicycle1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now it isn't just Halo Bikes. Now there are Halo Pumps! The new Silca
 Super Pista Ultimate isn't even a pump -- it's an Inflation Tool and
 sells for $445. Holy Cow!


 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-ultimate-inflation-tool.html

 Kyle Brooks
 Akron, OH


 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 370k for an LFA is a screaming deal. Just dip into your spare money,
 haha.


 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yep.  Certainly at least any that wasn't hand made with equal care!


 On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
 wrote:



 But the idea that a carbon frame -- anybody's carbon frame -- could be
 worth twice the price of a Peter Weigle frame is both absurd and obscene.



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Re: [RBW] Swappin' wheelsets question...

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
I was thinking of doing this also because the rear wheel on my Riv has
developed a bit of a wobble.  So throw on the rear wheel from the Soma
until I get a chance to true up the Riv wheel.  Both casettes are less than
three months old and both chains probably have less than 750 miles on
them.  Both using Shimano MTB hubs.  I think it will work fine.  I'll test
my theory after work if I don't chicken out due to the heat.  (Forecast
high according to the Google Now app on my Android is 106F).


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 My two Rivs have GB and Velocity sets.
 Both bikes are 8-speed with the same chains on 'em.
 Is there anything wrong with swappin' wheelsets between the bikes just for
 fun. I guess not. But as an un-mechanic am not sure if there is some hidden
 thing I am not aware of.
 Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Just Ride More (or maybe less)

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
I've been missing my rides as my bikes didn't get back from vacation until
a week after I did due to me leaving my car out there and flying back.  I
did bike commute on my old Nishiki a couple of times but it's not the same
as riding my nicer bikes.  That dang old Nishiki doesn't even have braze
ons for water bottles.  It's Camelback or nothing.  Usually I choose
nothing because I'm not going far.  It's got me thinking of converting my
90s MTB to 650B so I can at least take along my water bottles.

It was a bit nerve wracking to know my bikes were in the care of others but
anyway, they made it home safe and sound on Saturday evening.n
Unfortunately had plans all day on Sunday so was not able to ride.  :(


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 As I wrote the subject line of this post it occurred to me that this list
 includes folks who are into rondenee riding and certainly don't need to be
 encouraged to ride more, and may even be happier riding less, but this is a
 post about riding more... often.

 Here in Vt. we have just emerged from an extensive period of cool, rainy,
 funky weather (sorry to have to share that with Ca.,  you in the SW) and I
 haven't been riding much. (Also volunteered to refinish 2000 sq ft of
 hardwood floors in the church and that has kept me pretty busy, and sore.)
 But yesterday Pat and I drove to S.Alburgh (in the middle of Lake
 Champlain) and circumnavigated IsleLaMotte twice, once in each direction.
  The weather was gorgeous, sunny, calm and in the high 70's.  The ride was
 just 28miles of quiet roads..  We stopped once at a beach and again for a
 roast beef panini.  On the way home we got an apple cider slushy.

 I slept well last night and woke up in the best frame of mind I have
 experienced in quite awhile. I feel better and life is better when I ride
 my bike.

 Michael
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Drivetrain components; FS: Nitto M-14 and Big Rear Rack

2014-08-25 Thread shawn m.
The M-14 has been sold. Thanks, everybody.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 10:53:02 AM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote:

 Building up a 56cm Atlantis frameset (thanks, Eric!), I've now discovered 
 that neither of the rear derailers I own are going to work. So, I'm looking 
 for a long cage RD and a suitable FD (for a 44/36/26 triple), and some 
 Silver downtube shifters. A 113mm bottom bracket is on the wishlist, as 
 well. If you have any or all of these languishing in your parts bin, and 
 you're interested in selling, please let me know.

 I also have a couple racks for sale:

 A M-14, like new, mounted once (it didn't work out) on a 54cm Hunqapillar: 
 $80 shipped CONUS
 A Nitto Big Rear Rack, the previous style with the taller tombstone, with 
 an unopened bag of installation hardware. Excellent condition: $160 shipped 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Avery Wilson
Chris -

I actually tried albastache on a 8cm dirt drop stem, but they just didn't 
do it for me.  The returns for upright relief, while longer than the 
original moustache bars, didn't seem nearly long enough.  Its like I'd 
almost rather them not even be there, which in that case, I'd rather just 
ride drops :)

I'm wondering if the albatross bars with those hand rests in the most 
forward position would combine the best of both worlds of albastache and 
albatross for me.

Or maybe I commit to riding drops for a couple months, and see how I feel 
about them after that.  Do any of you guys give yourselves a required 
minimum saddle time with a certain bar before writing it off?

Avery

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride More (or maybe less)

2014-08-25 Thread Bill Lindsay
I agree, Michael, that my frame of mind is tons better after a ride.  I 
always have the best intentions to ride the ~35 hilly miles into the office 
once per week, but this summer I've done a crap job of it.  I did manage to 
do it last Friday and it put me in a great mood.  Looking for a similar 
bump, I went to the gym at lunch today.  I'm glad I went and all, but going 
for a ride is a hundred times better.  

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:25:08 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I wrote the subject line of this post it occurred to me that this list 
 includes folks who are into rondenee riding and certainly don't need to be 
 encouraged to ride more, and may even be happier riding less, but this is a 
 post about riding more... often.

 Here in Vt. we have just emerged from an extensive period of cool, rainy, 
 funky weather (sorry to have to share that with Ca.,  you in the SW) and I 
 haven't been riding much. (Also volunteered to refinish 2000 sq ft of 
 hardwood floors in the church and that has kept me pretty busy, and sore.) 
 But yesterday Pat and I drove to S.Alburgh (in the middle of Lake 
 Champlain) and circumnavigated IsleLaMotte twice, once in each direction. 
  The weather was gorgeous, sunny, calm and in the high 70's.  The ride was 
 just 28miles of quiet roads..  We stopped once at a beach and again for a 
 roast beef panini.  On the way home we got an apple cider slushy.

 I slept well last night and woke up in the best frame of mind I have 
 experienced in quite awhile. I feel better and life is better when I ride 
 my bike.

 Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Bill Lindsay
I think the Alba setup looked very nice, and I think that everybody should 
have at least one Albatross bike and at least one drop bar bike.  

Butthat particular drop bar setup looks wrong to me.  The brakelevers 
are rolled too far down the drops and the bars are rotated way too far back 
up to compensate.  The ramps and the brakelever should make one continuous 
flat place (as best as possible).  You've got the ramps bumping up and then 
still have to reach over the hump to get at your brakelevers.  It makes my 
hands and wrists hurt just looking at it.  If you want to give drop bars an 
extended chance, I'd recommend starting over copying the Mark video for the 
bar/stem/levers setup.  Go without handlebar tape for a while if necessary. 
 

Do everything in your power to keep that Black and While Hilsen!  It's a 
STUNNER.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Chris -

 I actually tried albastache on a 8cm dirt drop stem, but they just didn't 
 do it for me.  The returns for upright relief, while longer than the 
 original moustache bars, didn't seem nearly long enough.  Its like I'd 
 almost rather them not even be there, which in that case, I'd rather just 
 ride drops :)

 I'm wondering if the albatross bars with those hand rests in the most 
 forward position would combine the best of both worlds of albastache and 
 albatross for me.

 Or maybe I commit to riding drops for a couple months, and see how I feel 
 about them after that.  Do any of you guys give yourselves a required 
 minimum saddle time with a certain bar before writing it off?

 Avery


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[RBW] Re: Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread Michael Hechmer
The Stowe side rises more gradually then gets over the top brutal the last 
kilometer.  I live on the Jeffersonville side, so that's what I usually 
ride.

michael

On Monday, August 25, 2014 11:52:43 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Michael:  That is indeed a brute of a climb... Did you approach from 
 Jeffersonville or Stowe?  I still recall riding over the Notch back in 
 college (all loaded up)... Tough climb from Jeffersonville, but was glad to 
 be riding DOWN the Stowe side.  Nice job... Take the day off !!!

 Peace,
 BB

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:01:46 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to 
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double 
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of 
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at 
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb 
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, 
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, 
 which gain about 1100 feet. 

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is 
 just before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I 
 stop again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on 
 air and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before 
 the top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I 
 wondered if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before 
 the final 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important 
 things.  Why the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the 
 last one before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a 
 Sunday, too much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I 
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael




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Re: [RBW] Padded cycling undies vs. cycling shorts...easier leg movement?

2014-08-25 Thread Patrick Moore
+ 1 for no padding. I find that if my shorts, inner, and shorts, street,
outer, are cut full enough -- deep in crotch and high in waist, full in
thigh -- and ditto for the underlying boxers, I don't even think about
padding (for up to 30 miles, anyway). Of course, slightly too tight and
high within or without makes a big negative difference. Original Flites on
all bikes, properly set up; 2/4 bikes fixed.

I personally hate the feel of lycra shorts and thick pads and haven't used
padding for years, but back when I did I would often wear them under street
shorts; this would obviate the concerns you raise in your questions.

Patrick have 2 pair Kucharik wool shorts, with real chamois, *just in case
-- *sort of a fleet in being as opposed to fleet in action kind of thing**
 Moore


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 wrote:

 Since going to Selle Anatomica saddles, I have generally not needed any
 padding. When I was using it, padded briefs by Zoic were excellent. I came
 by a couple which were inside baggy shorts, but removable, so they can be
 used under anything desired.I see that they now sell JUST the pad.
 http://www.zoic.com/mensmtbshorts#

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* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
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somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] In case y'all haven't seen it ....

2014-08-25 Thread Patrick Moore
I know most of you are far to earnest to read BSNYC, but if you did, you'd
see this add and, if you clicked on it, you'd find a joke and free shipping
over $40. I wish I'd noticed it a week ago when I ordered a set of Silver
Shifters.

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*
  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: In case y'all haven't seen it ....

2014-08-25 Thread Patrick Moore
too and ad. I'm not uneducated, OK?


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know most of you are far to earnest to read BSNYC, but if you did, you'd
 see this add and, if you clicked on it, you'd find a joke and free shipping
 over $40. I wish I'd noticed it a week ago when I ordered a set of Silver
 Shifters.

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 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
  * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
 you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *




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*
  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] Re: In case y'all haven't seen it ....

2014-08-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ah-hm. In the Queen's English, that would be: I're taint no 
unedumicated never, OhKay? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 25, 2014 4:17:31 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 too and ad. I'm not uneducated, OK?
  

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[RBW] Re: Second Annual Birthday Ride

2014-08-25 Thread dougP
Cycling up a 22% grade at any age, regardless of gearing, is an 
accomplishment.  Congratulations for celebrating your birthday in this 
way.  

dougP

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:01:46 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 As I approach 70 (10/15) I am no longer looking for mountains to climb, 
 neither in life nor on the bike.  But once a year, I pull myself together, 
 square off with a brute and conquer it.

 So yesterday, I did my now annual (two years in a row) ride up to 
 Smugglers Notch.  I took the Rambouillet but wasn’t sure it’s low double 
 gearing (30/28) would be enough, but it was.  When I got the Ram, (Sept of 
 2004 or 5) my first ride was an 80 mile trip to the top of 
 the Appalachian Gap, a beast of a climb with a fair stretch of 22% grade at 
 the top.  I wanted to celebrate this year with the Ram, again.  This climb 
 goes up about 1700 feet in about 4 miles.  The first mile climbs 400 feet, 
 then there's a couple of miles of 1-2% grade before the last three miles, 
 which gain about 1100 feet. 

 I always stop at the entrance to Smugglers Notch Ski resort, which is just 
 before the last three mile push, for a brief rest  water and then I stop 
 again about 1 1/2 mile later where it briefly flattens out.  Take on air 
 and water.  But this time I had to stop about a half mile or so before the 
 top to catch my breath, lower my heart rate, and rest my legs. I wondered 
 if a 24/27 wouldn't have required that stop.  That’s just before the final 
 12% up to the top. About this time I forgot two very important things.  Why 
 the hell I was doing this and which of the dam turns was the last one 
 before the top.  But I made it.  Shouldn't have done this on a Sunday, too 
 much traffic, but life has been very busy.

 Took it easy on the way down, just sat up and coasted at 40 or so.  I 
 feel pretty good now on Monday morning.

 Michael




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Re: [RBW] Re: In case y'all haven't seen it ....

2014-08-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Don't yew mess weeith me, boy!

Patrick generations of deep south ancestors; *genteel* deep south
ancestors Moore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQT7y4L5aKU


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Ah-hm. In the Queen's English, that would be: I're taint no
 unedumicated never, OhKay? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 4:17:31 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 too and ad. I'm not uneducated, OK?

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  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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[RBW] UPDATED FS: Shifters, Brakes, Derailleurs, Tires, Crankset

2014-08-25 Thread Johnny Alien


Since there is no real easy way to update the original message I am just 
making an updated list.

*Brakes*

Rivendell Silver Caliper Brakes. Used but in great shape.  Low miles. - $65

Suntour Cyclone Caliper Brakes. Has some wear here and there but in solid 
working condition. - $25

*Derailleur*

Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur (Top Pull). Not in it's factory box but 
unused. I installed it on a bike but removed it before ever using it. - $40

*Tires*

650B Continental Tourride Tires - $40

*Shifter Stuff*

Downtube Cable Stops - $10 each

Sunrace Thumb Shifters. These are the cheapies Rivendell sells.  This set 
is brand new in the package with the cables and everything. - $15

*Crankset*

Ritchey WCS Compact Crankset (50-34) w/ 107 BB  extra 36 chainring. Used 
with a decent amount of wear but still really solid. Weighs about 640g. The 
BB is hollowtech and in very good shape.  Everything you need to install it 
plus a little more. - $50

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[RBW] FS: new Nitto Campee R20 rear rack $95 shipped

2014-08-25 Thread dailyrandonneur
Sold!

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[RBW] Shameless Cap/Bar Tape Matcher

2014-08-25 Thread Liesl
Just got my burgundy Riv cap and it's *dang* close to the Newbaum's maroon 
bar tape.  I am stylin'!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread DS
This year alone I've had 2 albastaches, drops, albatross, and bosco 
bullmoose across three bikes. 

I think I've finally settled on:

Hunqapillar (mtn bike setup): albastache, but really want to try Bullmoose 
bars, like bad)
Gunnar sport: drops, after trying Albastaches, which I really really liked, 
I went back to drops since having 2 bikes with albastaches just didn't make 
sense. but now you're making me wonder if i should go albatross on those. 
But...I really appreciate the drops after going back and glad I have a 
sporty road bike with drops on them.
bridgestone mb (commuter, yepp mini carrier): just went from boscos to 
albatross and will likely leave there. BUTnow I really want to pick my 
next Rivendell and build around that albatross bar, sam maybe? who knows. 
if anyone wants to lend me an infinite amount of money with no guarantee of 
payback I'll keep going with these combos and report back on them all

I think my LBS has made more money off me buying cables than they could 
from be buying a bike or three.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:35:42 AM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:




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[RBW] Re: Padded cycling undies vs. cycling shorts...easier leg movement?

2014-08-25 Thread lungimsam
 

 I ride in regular boxer briefs and cheapy Fruit of the Loom sweat shorts 
 for rides under 20 miles.


I find I am more comfy in padded shorts over 20 miles.

  


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[RBW] Shellac an Opinel?

2014-08-25 Thread Goshen Peter
Got the Opinel kiddo for the kiddo but looking at it was thinking of
hitting it with shellac to give it a little more water protection. Sand it
and shellac? Just lay on a thin layer of shellac? use poly instead? Thanks
all. Oh and if anyone else is becoming a hoarder of bandannas from the
rotating colors at RBW you aren't alone.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Shameless Cap/Bar Tape Matcher

2014-08-25 Thread Bill Lindsay
What a FOP you are!  

On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:06:44 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Just got my burgundy Riv cap and it's *dang* close to the Newbaum's maroon 
 bar tape.  I am stylin'!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
You can get a full set of Jagwire stainless cables with Teflon internal
housings on eBay for $13 shipped in your choice of color complete with all
ferrules and so forth.  It's called an OEM pack.

I love my LBS and I spend money with them when I don't have time to work on
the bike myself or when I want professional opinions on problems I might be
having.  But when their small parts and bits cost three times what I can
get it for online, that's when I balk.  I'm willing to pay a reasonable
premium but I have my limits.  Cycling is expensive and if i didn't
economize in some areas I wouldn't be able to ride as much as I do.
On Aug 25, 2014 9:52 PM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote:

 This year alone I've had 2 albastaches, drops, albatross, and bosco
 bullmoose across three bikes.

 I think I've finally settled on:

 Hunqapillar (mtn bike setup): albastache, but really want to try Bullmoose
 bars, like bad)
 Gunnar sport: drops, after trying Albastaches, which I really really
 liked, I went back to drops since having 2 bikes with albastaches just
 didn't make sense. but now you're making me wonder if i should go albatross
 on those. But...I really appreciate the drops after going back and glad I
 have a sporty road bike with drops on them.
 bridgestone mb (commuter, yepp mini carrier): just went from boscos to
 albatross and will likely leave there. BUTnow I really want to pick my
 next Rivendell and build around that albatross bar, sam maybe? who knows.
 if anyone wants to lend me an infinite amount of money with no guarantee of
 payback I'll keep going with these combos and report back on them all

 I think my LBS has made more money off me buying cables than they could
 from be buying a bike or three.

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:35:42 AM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:


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Re: [RBW] Re: Shameless Cap/Bar Tape Matcher

2014-08-25 Thread Goshen Peter
you just need some long maroon socks to match!


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 What a FOP you are!

 On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:06:44 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Just got my burgundy Riv cap and it's *dang* close to the Newbaum's
 maroon bar tape.  I am stylin'!

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[RBW] Re: UPDATED FS: Shifters, Brakes, Derailleurs, Tires, Crankset

2014-08-25 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Direct email sent, but I find that direct emails sent from the google 
groups website usually don't go through.  Drop me a line if you don't get 
my email.

Thanks,

Peter

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[RBW] Results of 6503 conversion to wide/low double

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
Ingredients
Old Ultegra triple
BBG Bashguard
44T 130bcd Sugino ring
28T 74bcd Sugino ring
sweaty garage
5mm T handle hex wrench
synthetic brake caliper grease
some cleaning wipes

results:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1QWAP4


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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous

2014-08-25 Thread rob markwardt
Give me drop bars or give me wrist/ass pain!!  Didn't Abe Lincoln say that? 
 Anyway...not a swapper here.  The bars on my Bleriot have been there for 
close to eight years.  I had a couple of upright bikes previously and there 
were fine for cruising around town but when it comes to putting in any 
mileage I need to get low. Sitting upright my wrist and butt start to 
complain.   My fleet is all drops except for an early mountain bike that 
doesn't get much usage.  Whatever works for you though.  My bikes...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157606340462594/

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:44:58 PM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Hello, my name is Avery and I'm a cockpit swapper..

 I know there's many more just like me, so I'm just looking for 
 camaraderie, justification, etc!  I've tried Noodles with a 10cm stem, dirt 
 drop stem, and now an 8cm stem, as well as albastache and albatross with 
 varying stem lengths.

 I've never been happier than when I've had albatross bars with a 12cm stem 
 on my 61cm Hilsen (see picture here 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/15023102785/in/photostream/), 
 but I swapped back to drops this afternoon because it just *seems right* for 
 this bike to have drops.  Am I vain? Am I living in my racer past?  I can 
 hold 18mph on flat land for 20+miles with a load in my bag while riding my 
 albatross bars, so its not really extra speed I'm going for. I don't know 
 what it is that keeps drawing me back to drops.  Maybe its visual, or 
 aesthetic? I'm just not sure.

 Comments from other serial cockpit swappers appreciated!


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[RBW] Re: Weird Request.

2014-08-25 Thread Manuel Acosta
Hugh got it. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/14732333531/in/photostream/

One better.  Taken by Brian H.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/14480830837/in/faves-mannyacosta/

Not everyday you get to suplex Grant Petersen. Hey picture proved it 
happened...

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Re: [RBW] Shellac an Opinel?

2014-08-25 Thread Joe Bunik
Soak it in mineral oil for a few days and then bake in the oven ~250°
for an hour or so. Lubes the hinge for life and darkens the wood
nicely.
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got the Opinel kiddo for the kiddo but looking at it was thinking of
 hitting it with shellac to give it a little more water protection. Sand it
 and shellac? Just lay on a thin layer of shellac? use poly instead? Thanks
 all. Oh and if anyone else is becoming a hoarder of bandannas from the
 rotating colors at RBW you aren't alone.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Shellac an Opinel?

2014-08-25 Thread Goshen Peter
The entire knife or just the handle? Thanks!


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Soak it in mineral oil for a few days and then bake in the oven ~250°
 for an hour or so. Lubes the hinge for life and darkens the wood
 nicely.
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA

 On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
  Got the Opinel kiddo for the kiddo but looking at it was thinking of
  hitting it with shellac to give it a little more water protection. Sand
 it
  and shellac? Just lay on a thin layer of shellac? use poly instead?
 Thanks
  all. Oh and if anyone else is becoming a hoarder of bandannas from the
  rotating colors at RBW you aren't alone.  Thanks!
 
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Re: [RBW] Shellac an Opinel?

2014-08-25 Thread Joe Bunik
Whole thing. Open er up and into the dunk tank!

On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 The entire knife or just the handle? Thanks!


 On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Soak it in mineral oil for a few days and then bake in the oven ~250°
 for an hour or so. Lubes the hinge for life and darkens the wood
 nicely.
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA

 On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
  Got the Opinel kiddo for the kiddo but looking at it was thinking of
  hitting it with shellac to give it a little more water protection. Sand
 it
  and shellac? Just lay on a thin layer of shellac? use poly instead?
 Thanks
  all. Oh and if anyone else is becoming a hoarder of bandannas from the
  rotating colors at RBW you aren't alone.  Thanks!
 
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Re: [RBW] Shellac an Opinel?

2014-08-25 Thread Goshen Peter
Sounds good. Thanks again!


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whole thing. Open er up and into the dunk tank!

 On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
  The entire knife or just the handle? Thanks!
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Soak it in mineral oil for a few days and then bake in the oven ~250°
  for an hour or so. Lubes the hinge for life and darkens the wood
  nicely.
  =- Joe Bunik
  Walnut Creek, CA
 
  On 8/25/14, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
   Got the Opinel kiddo for the kiddo but looking at it was thinking of
   hitting it with shellac to give it a little more water protection.
 Sand
  it
   and shellac? Just lay on a thin layer of shellac? use poly instead?
  Thanks
   all. Oh and if anyone else is becoming a hoarder of bandannas from the
   rotating colors at RBW you aren't alone.  Thanks!
  
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