date:20150731

  Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if it 
were self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called science 
ever changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  That is 
anything but Absolute Truth .  

   The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I cannot 
add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my life .  A 
science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , this would also 
be it's cessation altogether . 

So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is an 
enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must forever be 
being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no ending . .  
.wholly Life !!! 


On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 7:12:58 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



 On 07/31/2015 02:14 AM, Lungimsam wrote: 
  I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting 
 science. Food and nutrition being one example. 
  
  We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't 
 too long ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured 
 ailments. 
  

 But that wasn't science... 




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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

people thinking the world was flat is also a myth.  Eratosthenes is the 
first recorded calculation of the earth's diameter, in 276 BC (he is also 
thought to have calculated the distance to the sun)
Every archaic people knew the earth was round.  

My best riding buddy, whom I used to drag behind, also a pharmacist and 
corporate hospital IS manager, has displayed a MAT tendency twice in his 
life - once on a 45 mi bike ride together.  He now doesn't often ride past 
20 miles and in that 20-30 leg slows way down and monitors his heart rate.  

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Dbl Crank - Chain Rub Issue

2015-07-31 Thread Larry Charlton

I just installed that exact drivetrain on my Yves Gomez.  Even though I 
wouldn't ride in the small/small combination I still clear the large big 
chain ring by a couple mm.
  

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Dbl Crank - Chain Rub Issue

  FWIW, the choice of specific rings and crank also will vary the distance 
between rings.  Basic Sugino rings for example, do not have the wonderful 
clearance of their OEM rings that come on their complete cranks . They are 
set and formed completely differently.  So every setup is going to be 
unique . 

  Also, there isn't just one chainline that works either.  Spec's are given 
not as absolute rules, but as the measured spec of the component with other 
like or branded components .  For a middle ring you have room to play so 
to speak and the chain will be fine .  


On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 8:31:58 AM UTC-4, Larry Charlton wrote:

 I just installed that exact drivetrain on my Yves Gomez.  Even though I 
 wouldn't ride in the small/small combination I still clear the large big 
 chain ring by a couple mm.
   


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

Science isn't Absolute Truth, it's a methodology for disproving 
hypotheses.  As such, it's extremely useful.


On 07/31/2015 08:41 AM, Garth wrote:
  Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if 
it were self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called 
science ever changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  
That is anything but Absolute Truth .


   The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I 
cannot add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my 
life .  A science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , 
this would also be it's cessation altogether .


So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is 
an enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must 
forever be being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no 
ending . .  .wholly Life !!!



On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 7:12:58 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 07/31/2015 02:14 AM, Lungimsam wrote:
 I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much
conflicting science. Food and nutrition being one example.

 We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it
wasn't too long ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding
people cured ailments.


But that wasn't science...




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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?


   What's in my Garage ?   Ahahahaahah . . .  you do not want to know  . . 
. .  neither do I !  *Laughing even more  .  . . .* .

I do have a couple of bikes in there though , 

a '99 Franklin Frame custom and a early unknown year Bombadil .  And a mini 
Wonka chocolate factory of cool bike parts :) !!  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 51 cm Sam Hillborne

2015-07-31 Thread Philip Kim

Hope you find one! The 51s went out quick after Riv announced they wouldn't 
be stocking it for a year.

Although, I do yearn for a cheviot or clem one of these days.

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:53:01 AM UTC-4, Stanley Withouski wrote:

 Went to Riv last weekend only to find out they just ran out and won't be 
 restocking until June.

 Cheers
 Stan


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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Dbl Crank - Chain Rub Issue

It's always a geometry exercise.  You have two choices, pick a smaller big 
ring or a wider axle.  Look very closely at your chainline to begin with. 
 Then also question whether the single gear option is worth changing 
anything.  
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/fujidrive4.jpg















On my daughter's go-fast, she built up from an '86 Team Fuji frame, we used 
a mix of new parts and those already hanging around.  For her crankset, she 
used my old Sugino Mighty Comp, which is a 144 BCD strada clone.  Ran into 
the exact chainline problem you're having, so swapped the 52T ring for a 
50T and solved the problem.  


On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:53:00 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote:

 Installed the Sugino Wide/Low double Crank (40/26).  Still in repair 
 stand.  9 Speed.  Cassette is 11/34.  When the chain is in the small ring 
 up front and the small ring in the back (yes, I realize that this might not 
 be a good gear combination to ride in), the chain is making contact with 
 the inside of the big ring.  To clarify, the chain is NOT coming in contact 
 with the FD, but the inside portion of the big chain ring.

 Does this mean that I need a BB that is more wide?  Or does this mean that 
 I should never have the chain in that combination?  Or ???  Any help 
 appreciated.

 Bike is a 59 Soma San Marcos.


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Tim McNamara


 On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:34 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Makes me wonder where randonneuring fits into all this.  It's hard at times, 
 but we don't try to kill ourselves either and we usually ride at a social 
 pace that allows for conversation.
 
 But still, 10 hour + rides are a frequent occurrence in the life of a 
 randonneur.  If you keep a social pace is it just riding or are you putting 
 yourself in a danger zone just due to the sheer length of the thing.
 
 Who knows…

I don’t know for sure but my guess is that the damage in competitive sports 
comes from spending long periods of time with your heart rate in the anaerobic 
zone.  I used to wear a heart rate monitor when racing and would sometimes 
spend 90 minutes of a 2 hour race above the mathematical anaerobic threshold.  
There are many competitive, driven randonneurs who treat it as a long race and 
I suspect they are prone to the same risks as USA Cycling racers.  I think it 
is the prolong high-intensity stuff that is damaging.

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread William deRosset

If you keep a social pace is it just riding or are you putting yourself 
in a danger zone just due to the sheer length of the thing.

Dear Jim,

We don't really know for randonneuring specifically. RUSA does have a 
self-reporting system for crashes and other incidents, but I don't think 
the program has gotten to the point that it is data, rather than just 
extended anecdote.

There have been a few deaths due to circulatory stress (heart attacks; 
strokes etc). We don't know if sleep deprivation (part of the sport to 
varying degrees) exacerbates the issue, though I believe (don't have the 
citations) that it is a contributor in the larger population.

Honestly, limiting the sleep deprivation to a manageable level makes the 
sport safer, and may improve outcomes for those with circulatory defects. 
The faster one can comfortably go, the more optional sleep deprivation is. 

The biggest change in their speed a randonneur can make is to learn to ride 
in a paceline effectively. Free 20% speed for a given effort (power is 
proportional to v^3 on flat ground, and drafting cuts over half the wind 
resistance when you're not on the front), and if you're riding in a double 
paceline, you've got a built-in speed-dating conversation partner (that 
fellow/gal in the other line--if you've got an odd number in the group, you 
rotate through your partners as you rotate through).

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:34:36 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Makes me wonder where randonneuring fits into all this.  It's hard at 
 times, but we don't try to kill ourselves either and we usually ride at a 
 social pace that allows for conversation.

 But still, 10 hour + rides are a frequent occurrence in the life of a 
 randonneur.  If you keep a social pace is it just riding or are you 
 putting yourself in a danger zone just due to the sheer length of the thing.

 Who knows...


 -Jim

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 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 Here is an interesting article that may be worthy of your attention:

 http://velonews.competitor.com/cycling-extremes

 Enjoy,

 Matt
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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Tim McNamara


 On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:20 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 
 While I can make no claim to being a competitive athlete, this hits really 
 close to home. I was diagnosed with AF in late 2013, and have dealt with it 
 since then.  Earlier this year, VT was added to the mix.  My experience 
 follows that of the article,  recently an ICD was installed.  I keep really 
 close track of my heart rate.  
 
 The really important point is one can feel completely normal with no 
 symptoms, be in otherwise perfect health, have decades of perfect physicals, 
 and still develop these problems.  One study I found covered cross country 
 skiers.  It found that life long skiers over 50 developed AF at a much higher 
 rate than a control population, contrary to expectation.  
 
 I think there's a huge difference between exercising for general health and 
 training as practiced by competitive athletes.  One of my touring buds said 
 at this point I'm happy to hang on to what I've got.”

There is a huge difference between health and fitness.  Many top-level athletes 
are not actually healthy.  It is not healthy to be 6’1” tall and 149 lbs like 
the current Tour de France winner (by comparison, I am 2 inches taller than 
Chris Froome and 65 lbs heavier- and I don’t look overweight even though I am 
by 10 lbs, thanks to having a lot of muscle).

Unfortunately we confuse health and fitness.  Health can be somewhat nebulously 
described as all our systems working well together and doing their jobs 
properly.  Fitness is our capacity to perform a purpose- riding up Alpe-d’Huez 
in under 40 minutes, to run a marathon in under 4 hours, to hike the 
Appalachian Trail, whatever.  A basic level of fitness contributes to health 
but it does not follow tat higher and higher levels of fitness necessarily 
contribute to health.

High level fitness takes obsession.  Back in my amateur racing days (after 9 
seasons of racing I was still a Cat 4 which tells you something about how good 
I was at it… basically my VO2 max was just not good enough and there is only so 
much you can do about that) I worked full time and trained 15-20 hours a week.  
9 months a year on my bike, 5-7 days a week riding 6,000-7,000 miles a year; 
during the winter I was at the gym 5 days a week working out.  I stopped racing 
in 2000 after the last ‘cross race of the year because I was tired of training 
which was basically ruining my life.  And 15 years later there are still 
repercussions in my marriage from all the time I spent riding my bike and 
ignoring my wife.  I didn’t see it at the time but bike racing was a very 
selfish hobby.

My read of “Just Ride” was that Grant tended to push health more than fitness, 
at least more than specific high-level fitness, and keeping it in perspective.  
For most of us that probably makes more sense.  One cannot run 4 hours a day, 
every day, but one can readily ride a bike hard 4 hours a day every day.  In 
the process we can do damage especially to our hearts.  “Just Ride” also seems 
to encourage keeping biking in a sort of reasonable perspective with the rest 
of your life and your relationships.

I ride a lot less now- maybe 1500 miles a year instead of 6000-7000 like the 
old days.  I enjoy my rides much more and I have more time for other things.  
Sometimes my ride for the day is a 20 minute round trip to run an errand and I 
really enjoy those, too.  I have gotten over the addiction to “go long” many 
times a week.  My life is more well rounded and my marriage is, hopefully, 
healing (that’s a process which is difficult to judge at any given moment).


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Tim McNamara


 On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if it were 
 self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called science ever 
 changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  That is anything but 
 Absolute Truth .  
 
The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I cannot 
 add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my life .  A 
 science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , this would also 
 be it's cessation altogether . 
 
 So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is an 
 enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must forever be 
 being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no ending . .  .wholly 
 Life !!! 

We’ve drifted off-topic here and I am going to contribute to that, with 
apologies.

Humans cannot know “Absolute Truth” because that cannot be known from a 
subjective viewpoint.  What is considered “Absolute Truth” is always a set of 
beliefs and not anything provable or testable.  “Absolute Truth” is a matter of 
faith rather than science.  Indeed, the belief in “Absolute Truth” tends to be 
hostile to science out of fear that one’s dearly held beliefs will be disproved 
some day.  There are many, many people for whom faith trumps fact on a daily 
basis.  They do this through circular reasoning based on untestable assumptions 
and overvaluing certain ideas.

Science does change, intentionally so.  Prior understanding is superseded by 
the discovery of new information which requires a reformulation of hypotheses, 
theorems and sometimes modification of scientific laws.  The rules of science, 
however, remain consistent.  The scientific method has been rigorously 
developed and is fundamental to the practice of good science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Much of scientific knowledge is very straightforward, consistent and 
predictable (the goal is for all of it to be straightforward, consistent and 
predictable).  We can send machines on decade long journeys of many billions of 
miles and have that machine end up exactly where it is supposed to be, a 
rendezvous with a comet or passing so very closely to a planet that we can get 
unprecedented photographs and data.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktrtvCvZb28

This is possible because the physics involved is well understood and not really 
that complicated even though the formulas look impressive.  Understanding cell 
metabolism, organ system functioning, organ system interactions, etc., and how 
animals like humans operate is far more complicated and new paradigm-changing 
information is being discovered regularly.  What seems to the news media and 
non-scientists as contradiction and inconsistency is actually progress being 
made in fields of study that are much more complex than is commonly understood. 
 Scientific knowledge is incomplete and imperfect- and scientists will be the 
first to tell you that.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne with Rohloff Hub

2015-07-31 Thread Kellie

Sweet bike!

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:53:02 PM UTC-7, John wrote:

 it's time

 Time to let go of my Sam Hillborne. Injuries and surgeries prevent me from 
 riding. I've had the Sam hanging in the garage for a few years, It's Time

 I will get Sam down from the rafters today and shoot some pictures and try 
 to get a list of parts. My hope is someone in the SF Bay Area, who is close 
 by, will want to come and look at this bike and help me identify parts, etc
 These pictures are from a few years ago. There are many changes, additions 
 to the bike, in addition to a pile of parts that are not attached yet. 
 Including a set of Honjo Fenders. The bike is, I Think, 2011 60cm Orange, 
 Made in Taiwan. I emphasize, I Think.

 I don't know how much yet, that will of course be up for discussion. If I 
 don't sell the Bike, The Parts and Everything in a Lump, I'll break it up 
 and start selling parts.

 Here is a couple of pictures

 Thanks
 John


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?





 My best riding buddy, whom I used to drag behind, also a pharmacist and 
 corporate hospital IS manager, has displayed a MAT tendency twice in his 
 life - once on a 45 mi bike ride together.  He now doesn't often ride past 
 20 miles and in that 20-30 leg slows way down and monitors his heart rate.  


ps, he also always beats me up on the first 10 mi, riding hard against his 
heart monitor and his personal benchmark.  
I've never tached out, but I've dehydrated my knees before, something I am 
very conscious about these days - I take motrin before and during rides and 
stay hydrated

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[RBW] FS: Showers Pass Convertible Club Pants Size XL

2015-07-31 Thread Zack

I have worn these a couple times, don't really think there are any signs of 
wear but you could probably find some if you looked super hard, you can see 
pics and description of the pants 
here: https://www.showerspass.com/products/mens-club-convertible-2-pant

*$50 Shipped in the USA.*

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Patrick Moore

Om  (Or is that Aum?) Anyway, Aum  mblmblmblmblmbl, Amen.

Patrick Moore, grooving to the Absolute in absolutely wunnerful ABQ, NM
(who thinks that behind the bizarre locution Garth may glimpse a bit of
truth).


 On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if it
 were self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called science
 ever changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  That is
 anything but Absolute Truth .
 
 The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I
 cannot add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my life .
 A science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , this would
 also be it's cessation altogether .
 
  So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is
 an enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must forever
 be being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no ending . .
 .wholly Life !!!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

Hi everyone,

Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great so 
far!

Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope 
Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and 
CX 70 fd
RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a Berthoud 
decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great. But I 
decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so is 
the Berthoud) and works well.  
Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17 
COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the 
breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide 
Stem--so far awesome.

Did I miss anything? 


Best wishes,

Christian in Charlottesville 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

 Hi All, 

 Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to 
 make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really liked 
 the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really fair to 
 compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use it 
 mostly for singletrack and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it. It's 
 an exceptional bike. But it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that Mike 
 was saying this explicitly) so I don't think I'd choose one or the other 
 for similar purposes.   

 So, I will have both. 

 I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off. 
 I'd become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I 
 made plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling 
 point for me. After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers 
 ago (to which I credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know 
 there's been lots of discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME 
 there's no contest. BB7s are incredibly simple to set up and are far 
 superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the Paul Toring cantis I had on the 
 Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 Deore V brakes on my LHT are 
 better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know some will disagree and 
 that's fine. 

 I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used 
 the Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides. 
 And if I return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the 
 Jones is best left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a 
 capable all arounder with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat 
 front. 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/
   

 One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind out 
 of the sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit was 
 some sort of magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak here 
 and there, listen to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me how 
 tall I am, whether or I wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more agressive 
 position. He then told me what stem he thought I should get. That was it. 
 Bike fits fantastically.

 Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!

 Christian 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer




On 07/31/2015 02:38 PM, Christian wrote:

Hi everyone,

Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been 
great so far!


Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545


WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP 
dynohub/Hope Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got 
lazy)
DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd 
and CX 70 fd
RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a 
Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was 
great. But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy 
to set up (so is the Berthoud) and works well.

Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17
COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to 
the breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 
degree/8cm Guide Stem--so far awesome.


Did I miss anything?




Could you be more specific about the derailleurs  the cassette?  E.g. - 
is this an 8, 9, 10 or 11 speed drivetrain? Also, I'm sure I'm not the 
only one who would like to hear more, with more detail, about the nature 
of the greatness you've been experiencing.


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

I didn't count the brown recluse spiders, either

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 8:18:28 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:


What's in my Garage ?   Ahahahaahah . . .  you do not want to know  . . 
 . .  neither do I !  *Laughing even more  .  . . .* .

 I do have a couple of bikes in there though , 

 a '99 Franklin Frame custom and a early unknown year Bombadil .  And a 
 mini Wonka chocolate factory of cool bike parts :) !!  


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Patrick Moore

If the subject is arrhythmia, I've got it too. I was diagnosed with it some
15+ years ago -- wore the monitor for a week, consulted with a
cardiologist, who wanted to put me on beta blockers. My then wife, a DOM as
well as MD, put me on a year-long regimen of truly nasty witches' brew
potions and patent Chinese pills, along with extended bouts of acupuncture.
I never did take beta blockers, which I hear limit your heart rate.

I still have the occasional flutter -- had one or two just now, in fact --
but they are fleeting and, thank God, rarely bothersome. I do try not to
blow up or overexert, but at age 60 my motive is more comfort -- or the
desire not to suffer -- than health consciousness.

Indeed, I find the flutters occur more frequently when I don't ride; also,
when I sleep poorly, as I did last night (up at 2 am for a rush project).

My bro in law, 55, has had this problem most of his adult life. The
cardiologists basically told him, it's annoying but not dangerous, and he
just lives with it. He plays agressive ice hockey and does things like
build houses and keep 300M mile cars alive.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

2015-07-31 Thread Patrick Moore

Good to see that you're having success going tubeless with Compass EL
tires. I want to try that myself.

Purty bike, BTW.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Christian christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great so
 far!

 Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

 WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope
 Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
 DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and
 CX 70 fd
 RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a
 Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great.
 But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so
 is the Berthoud) and works well.
 Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17
 COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the
 breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide
 Stem--so far awesome.

 Did I miss anything?


 Best wishes,

 Christian in Charlottesville

 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

 Hi All,

 Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to
 make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really liked
 the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really fair to
 compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use it
 mostly for singletrack and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it. It's
 an exceptional bike. But it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that Mike
 was saying this explicitly) so I don't think I'd choose one or the other
 for similar purposes.

 So, I will have both.

 I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off.
 I'd become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I
 made plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling
 point for me. After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers
 ago (to which I credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know
 there's been lots of discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME
 there's no contest. BB7s are incredibly simple to set up and are far
 superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the Paul Toring cantis I had on the
 Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 Deore V brakes on my LHT are
 better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know some will disagree and
 that's fine.

 I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used
 the Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides.
 And if I return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the
 Jones is best left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a
 capable all arounder with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat
 front.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/


 One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind out
 of the sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit was
 some sort of magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak here
 and there, listen to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me how
 tall I am, whether or I wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more agressive
 position. He then told me what stem he thought I should get. That was it.
 Bike fits fantastically.

 Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!

 Christian

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Liesl

Aaach this one hit home.  My sister died at age 51 of tachycardia and her 
daughter struggles with it as well.  As I was reading the article, I found 
out someone I knew died within the past hour of a heart attack. My dad had 
three heart attacks in a week and died from the third at age 58.  At 56, my 
doc says my ticker takes after my mom's side, which is good news.

The article was really good and thoughtful.  I think there's a paradigm 
shift that needs to happen; Just Ride is part of it.

I always feel a bit of a slacker when I read about all the centuries here.  
Today I'm good with just riding.

RCW


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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

2015-07-31 Thread Jeff Lesperance

Great looking bike and build. Those cowchippers look like a compelling
design - where is the 46cm measured - across the top of the bar or at the
flared ends of the drops? What size frame is that?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good to see that you're having success going tubeless with Compass EL
 tires. I want to try that myself.

 Purty bike, BTW.

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Christian 
 christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great
 so far!

 Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

 WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP
 dynohub/Hope Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
 DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and
 CX 70 fd
 RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a
 Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great.
 But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so
 is the Berthoud) and works well.
 Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17
 COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the
 breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide
 Stem--so far awesome.

 Did I miss anything?


 Best wishes,

 Christian in Charlottesville

 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

 Hi All,

 Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently
 to make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really
 liked the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really
 fair to compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use
 it mostly for singletrack and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it.
 It's an exceptional bike. But it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that
 Mike was saying this explicitly) so I don't think I'd choose one or the
 other for similar purposes.

 So, I will have both.

 I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off.
 I'd become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I
 made plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling
 point for me. After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers
 ago (to which I credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know
 there's been lots of discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME
 there's no contest. BB7s are incredibly simple to set up and are far
 superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the Paul Toring cantis I had on the
 Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 Deore V brakes on my LHT are
 better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know some will disagree and
 that's fine.

 I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used
 the Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides.
 And if I return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the
 Jones is best left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a
 capable all arounder with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat
 front.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/


 One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind out
 of the sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit was
 some sort of magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak here
 and there, listen to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me how
 tall I am, whether or I wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more agressive
 position. He then told me what stem he thought I should get. That was it.
 Bike fits fantastically.

 Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!

 Christian

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Philip Williamson

Well science KNOWS it doesn't know everything. Otherwise it'd STOP 
https://youtu.be/uDYba0m6ztE?t=1m51s.
- Dara O'Brien

The popular reporting of science studies is the same as popular reporting 
of everything: hysterical, all-or-nothing, and out of context. Exaggerated 
for emotional effect. 

I'm very interested in how people develop a bullshit detector. I usually 
google things, and read what other experts have to say. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:14:53 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:

 I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting 
 science. Food and nutrition being one example. 

 We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't too 
 long ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured ailments.



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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Daniel D.

Ain't that the truth

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 12:20:12 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:


 The popular reporting of science studies is the same as popular reporting 
 of everything: hysterical, all-or-nothing, and out of context. Exaggerated 
 for emotional effect. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:14:53 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:

 I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting 
 science. Food and nutrition being one example. 

 We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't too 
 long ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured ailments.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

BTW: The Radavist has a great review of the
NFE:
http://theradavist.com/2015/07/elephant-bikes-national-forest-explorer-with-gevenalle-shifting/#1

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

Steve,

Happy to oblige. It's a 10 speed with a 10-36 cassette and XT long cage,
clutchless mtn RD shifted by 10 speed Dura Ace bar end shifters. Shifts
great. The CX70 shifts flawlessly b/w the 26-42.

On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever
was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a front load
or without.

The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick, they
were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash Charger pump (a
VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They hold air very well.

Any other questions, ask away!

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:44:19 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 07/31/2015 02:38 PM, Christian wrote:

Hi everyone,

Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week. It's been great
so far!

Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP
dynohub/Hope Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and
CX 70 fd
RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a
Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great.
But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur. It's easy to set up (so
is the Berthoud) and works well.
Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17
COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the
breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide
Stem--so far awesome.

Did I miss anything?

Could you be more specific about the derailleurs the cassette? E.g. -
is this an 8, 9, 10 or 11 speed drivetrain? Also, I'm sure I'm not the
only one who would like to hear more, with more detail, about the nature of
the greatness you've been experiencing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by nice easy-going stability but I 
like what Alex Wetmore had to say on the subject 5 years ago on the iBOB 
list:

Archive-URL:http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=internet-bob.11001.0138.eml
From: Alex Wetmore alex(AT)phred.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:44:33 +
Subject:Re: [BOB] More Handling Terms Thoughts  
http://search.bikelist.org/query.asp?SearchString=%22More+Handling+Terms+Thoughts%22SearchPrefix=%40msgsubjectSortBy=MsgDate%5Ba%5D

From: Mann, Dave [damann(AT)mitre.org]

I (perhaps incorrectly) tend to think of this stuff
in terms of how we talk about skis.

I'm not much of a skier (although I'm probably going skiing today), but it
seems like the dynamics of skis are different enough that the language
might not cross over.  Doesn't the side cut on skis give them an optimal
turning radius that basically matches that side cut?

A longer bicycle may not make sharp turns as easily as a shorter bicycle,
but it isn't like a bicycle is designed to only turn a 20' radius and the
tires are scrubbing if you make a tighter or more open turn.

I think your terms are closer to the ones used for sea kayaking, where
stability is almost always described (even by manufacturers) in terms of
primary and secondary stability.  Primary stability is how stable does the
kayak feel in the water, do small body movements easily rotate it.
Secondary stability is how easily does the boat actually flip over when
you are near the lean limits.  Kayaks such as my Mariner Max are designed
with low or moderate primary stability because you use the lean to steer
the kayak.  The secondary stability is high to make them resistant to
rolling when you didn't intend in.  In contrast our tandem kayak has high
primary and secondary stability because almost all tandems are steered
more with the rudder than with leaning (and are often used by
inexperienced paddlers too).  Kayaks for beginners often have moderate to
high primary stability because inexperienced paddlers think that tippy
kayaks (even though they might have high secondary stability and don't
easily go over) are more likely to roll.  River or play kayaks may have
low primary and secondary stability to make it easier to roll them.

I think of my low trail bikes as having similar characteristics to a low
primary stability, high secondary stability kayak.  The handlebars turn
easily and have a light feel to them, but the bike is very stable and easy
to ride no hands.  A high trail bicycle is more like a kayak with high
primary and secondary stability.  I think that your proposed vocabulary
encompasses this (and I like that the terms are similar to the ones used
for kayaks).

One difference with bicycles compared to kayaks is that speed is larger
factor in bicycle stability than kayak stability.  A kayak doesn't fall
over just because you aren't moving, but a bicycle does.  A high trail
bicycle which has high primary and secondary stabililty at riding speeds
(say 15mph) can be very unstable at lower speeds.  We've all seen that
when watching a newer cyclist climbing a hill at low speed and weaving all
over the road.  The same bikes can have that riding on rails feeling
when descending at 40mph down a hill.  I don't see this represented in the
vocabulary.

I've been thinking about this recently because I'm considering rebuilding
the front triangle of my wife's bicycle.  I'm trying to consider what the
best geometry is for it.  Right now her bike has a high trail geometry
(26 wheels, around 71 degree HTA, around 45mm fork offset, for a trail of
~65mm.  When she is climbing or riding at slow speeds the bike tends to
weave around.  I'd love to put her onto a low trail bike and see if the
same is true, but there aren't production low trail bikes in her size.
I'll just have to build one.

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On 07/31/2015 04:42 PM, Daniel D. wrote:
Nice looking bike. Seems to tick off a lot of boxes on my list. But 
reading this part of the NFE blurb gave me pause, for experienced 
riders who prefer nimble handling and light steering input.  Sounds 
like it may not have the nice easy going stability I'm seeking.

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:56:57 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote:

Steve,

On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever
was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a
front load or without.

The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick,
they were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash
Charger pump (a VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They
hold air very well.

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

  To All .  . . . Yes, I believed that true once too .  However , for 
something to be disproven, there needs to be a standard of Truth , yes ?  I 
ask these things of myself .  Well, where and what is this standard ?  Does 
not a standard of Truth to be True, need to be Absolute and infallible , 
not subject to variation in any way ?   Why yes , it must be stable and 
pure !  So all of our so-called standards then are really relative truths 
based on relative standards of limitation , which are nullified in 
themselves as the Truth  to be being True cannot vary or change in any way 
, without limits, it must stand alone(all-One , for Patrick Moore !)  I 
realize the enormity(for lack of better word) of what this statement 
means to what I have called existence  , but a life of ever changing 
truths means the acceptance of imperfection(variation and limits) and the 
denial of perfection(invariable and infinite), no longer can I live with .  


  I realize this may appear a bit off-topic , but it's really not and I 
never intend to do such .  All this is along winded way of saying Just 
Ride because you Love it, or even better no reason at all !  We need no 
validations to be ourselves. Riding needs no validation at all , and trying 
to validate what doesn't need it  , well . . . c'mon . . .  it's kinda 
funny !  ;-)Like trying to be someone I am not , I don't need to 
validate that I'm Me !  


On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 9:14:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 Science isn't Absolute Truth, it's a methodology for disproving 
 hypotheses.  As such, it's extremely useful.

 On 07/31/2015 08:41 AM, Garth wrote:

   Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if it 
 were self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called science 
 ever changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  That is 
 anything but Absolute Truth .  

The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I 
 cannot add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my life .  
 A science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , this would 
 also be it's cessation altogether . 

 So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is an 
 enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must forever be 
 being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no ending . .  
 .wholly Life !!! 


 On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 7:12:58 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 



 On 07/31/2015 02:14 AM, Lungimsam wrote: 
  I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting 
 science. Food and nutrition being one example. 
  
  We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't 
 too long ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured 
 ailments. 
  

 But that wasn't science... 





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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

Jeff 

The bars are measured center to center from the hoods. I really like them 
so far.  The hooks were nice yesterday while cranking up some steep trails. 
The frame is a medium--equivalent to a 56cm effective top tube.  Here's the 
info page with the geometry chart from Elephant: 
 http://www.elephantbikes.com/stock/

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

 Great looking bike and build. Those cowchippers look like a compelling 
 design - where is the 46cm measured - across the top of the bar or at the 
 flared ends of the drops? What size frame is that?

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Good to see that you're having success going tubeless with Compass EL 
 tires. I want to try that myself.

 Purty bike, BTW.

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Christian christian@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great 
 so far!

 Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

 WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP 
 dynohub/Hope Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
 DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd 
 and CX 70 fd
 RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a 
 Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great. 
 But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so 
 is the Berthoud) and works well.  
 Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17 
 COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the 
 breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide 
 Stem--so far awesome.

 Did I miss anything? 


 Best wishes,

 Christian in Charlottesville 

 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

 Hi All, 

 Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently 
 to make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really 
 liked the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really 
 fair to compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use 
 it mostly for singletrack and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it. 
 It's an exceptional bike. But it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that 
 Mike was saying this explicitly) so I don't think I'd choose one or the 
 other for similar purposes.   

 So, I will have both. 

 I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off. 
 I'd become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I 
 made plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling 
 point for me. After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers 
 ago (to which I credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know 
 there's been lots of discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME 
 there's no contest. BB7s are incredibly simple to set up and are far 
 superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the Paul Toring cantis I had on the 
 Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 Deore V brakes on my LHT are 
 better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know some will disagree and 
 that's fine. 

 I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used 
 the Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides. 
 And if I return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the 
 Jones is best left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a 
 capable all arounder with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat 
 front. 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/
   

 One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind 
 out of the sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit 
 was some sort of magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak 
 here and there, listen to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me 
 how tall I am, whether or I wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more 
 agressive position. He then told me what stem he thought I should get. 
 That 
 was it. Bike fits fantastically.

 Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!

 Christian 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

2015-07-31 Thread Daniel D.

Nice looking bike. Seems to tick off a lot of boxes on my list. But reading 
this part of the NFE blurb gave me pause, for experienced riders who 
prefer nimble handling and light steering input.  Sounds like it may not 
have the nice easy going stability I'm seeking.

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:56:57 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote:

 Steve,


 On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever 
 was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a front load 
 or without.  

 The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick, they 
 were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash Charger pump (a 
 VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They hold air very well. 

 Any other questions, ask away!   


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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

Steve,

Happy to oblige. It's a 10 speed with a 10-36 cassette and XT long cage, 
clutchless mtn RD shifted by 10 speed Dura Ace bar end shifters.  Shifts 
great.  The CX70 shifts flawlessly b/w the 26-42. 

On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever 
was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a front load 
or without.  

The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick, they 
were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash Charger pump (a 
VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They hold air very well. 

Any other questions, ask away!   

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:44:19 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



 On 07/31/2015 02:38 PM, Christian wrote:

 Hi everyone, 

 Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great so 
 far!

 Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545

 WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope 
 Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
 DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and 
 CX 70 fd
 RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a 
 Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great. 
 But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so 
 is the Berthoud) and works well.  
 Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17 
 COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the 
 breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide 
 Stem--so far awesome.

 Did I miss anything? 



 Could you be more specific about the derailleurs  the cassette?  E.g. - 
 is this an 8, 9, 10 or 11 speed drivetrain?   Also, I'm sure I'm not the 
 only one who would like to hear more, with more detail, about the nature of 
 the greatness you've been experiencing.


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

  Laughing with myself . . .  I had to look up the word locution !   

What can I's says .  . .  I ams what I ams !ABQ is applesolutely 
wonderful by-the-way .   



On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Om  (Or is that Aum?) Anyway, Aum  mblmblmblmblmbl, Amen.

 Patrick Moore, grooving to the Absolute in absolutely wunnerful ABQ, NM 
 (who thinks that behind the bizarre locution Garth may glimpse a bit of 
 truth).
  

 On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Garth gart...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:
 
Laughing .  . . . . . . .   What is science anyways  as if it 
 were self existent , Absolute Truth in itself.  What is called science 
 ever changes , ever changing it's own rules all the time !  That is 
 anything but Absolute Truth .
 
 The Absolute Truth is Life cannot be added to, or taken from .  I 
 cannot add or subtract a day , even one hair's breath to or from my life .  
 A science that speaks this would be true , but ironically , this would 
 also be it's cessation altogether .
 
  So in Truth, there is no protection needed anymore than there is 
 an enemy to defend and fight .  For Life to Exist at all, it must forever 
 be being Life , itSelf , Infinitum. One  . No beginning, no ending . .  
 .wholly Life !!!



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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?




On 07/31/2015 04:41 PM, Liesl wrote:
Aaach this one hit home.  My sister died at age 51 of tachycardia and 
her daughter struggles with it as well.  As I was reading the article, 
I found out someone I knew died within the past hour of a heart 
attack. My dad had three heart attacks in a week and died from the 
third at age 58.  At 56, my doc says my ticker takes after my mom's 
side, which is good news.


The article was really good and thoughtful.  I think there's a 
paradigm shift that needs to happen; Just Ride is part of it.


I always feel a bit of a slacker when I read about all the centuries 
here.  Today I'm good with just riding.



But centuries /are/ just riding -- unless you go out of your way to 
make them competitive.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer




On 07/31/2015 05:27 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

Daniel,

The Elephant NFE is a low trail bike, meaning it is meant to have a 
load in the front.  Unloaded in the front, the steering will be 
somewhat light depending on the exact amount of trail it has in 
millimeters.  Jan Heine has done some testing on the handling 
characteristics of various amounts of (low) trail.  35mm trail is said 
to be best with a 5-10 lb weight in front.  Not sure exactly what the 
NFE has, as their site does not give an exact number on the amount of 
trail.




Perhaps that might be better worded 35mm trail is said to be best with 
a front load of no more than 5-10 lb, and no less of a load than a bag 
and contents of 2-3 lb.


When I went to the LBS to pick up my 1st gen Kogswell P/R I went for a 
little ride around the parking lot.  Handling felt shockingly /weird/ -- 
strange enough to make me exclaim out loud.  Next time I rode the bike I 
had a bag with a wallet, keys, I think a small bag of tools with an 
allen wrench set and some tire levers, a couple of tubes -- total with 
the bag and the stuff in it probably no more than 2 lb -- and handling 
was totally /normal/ feeling.  Yes, light; yes easily steered; no lock 
in on a line while cornering.  But /unexceptional./ Just normal.  No 
need to go up to 5-10 lb for it to feel right, a bag with nearly 
nothing in it was enough.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne with Rohloff Hub

2015-07-31 Thread 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch

Fight! Don't quit riding. I have had over ten surgeries, three back, three 
knee, four related to carpal tunnel and some others. I need a knee 
replacement very soon, but I am putting it off as long as I can tolerate 
it. The only thing that helps my pain is riding. I live without a car and 
ride lots. Don't quit riding. Just don't. You can do it! I am the biggest 
whiner, (luckily I live alone) complainer and hater of chronic pain, and if 
I can do it, anyone can. I just make sure my bikes are very comfortable. I 
wish you the best, good luck. 

Clayton (Bend)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

2015-07-31 Thread Jim Bronson

Daniel,

The Elephant NFE is a low trail bike, meaning it is meant to have a load in
the front.  Unloaded in the front, the steering will be somewhat light
depending on the exact amount of trail it has in millimeters.  Jan Heine
has done some testing on the handling characteristics of various amounts of
(low) trail.  35mm trail is said to be best with a 5-10 lb weight in
front.  Not sure exactly what the NFE has, as their site does not give an
exact number on the amount of trail.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Daniel D. dddon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice looking bike. Seems to tick off a lot of boxes on my list. But
 reading this part of the NFE blurb gave me pause, for experienced riders
 who prefer nimble handling and light steering input.  Sounds like it may
 not have the nice easy going stability I'm seeking.

 On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:56:57 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote:

 Steve,


 On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever
 was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a front load
 or without.

 The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick, they
 were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash Charger pump (a
 VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They hold air very well.

 Any other questions, ask away!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

2015-07-31 Thread MartyG

PM sent

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 1:07:35 AM UTC-4, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 I listed my complete Sam Hillborne recently and it didn't sell as a whole 
 bike, and I've still got the frame/fork/headset for sale. It's a 2012 64cm 
 Waterford-made Sam Hillborne frame and it is in 8.5/10 cosmetic condition. 
 Some surface paint scratches but no rust or other damage. It has a Cane 
 Creek 110 headset that was installed last year. Pictures can be seen here (
 http://imgur.com/a/hedAr) (I will add pictures of the stripped down frame 
 tomorrow). Asking for $775 plus shipping. 

 I will ship the frame via Fedex using shipbikes.com. Please feel free to 
 ask any questions you may have. Thanks for looking! 

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[RBW] Reduced- FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne frame/fork (double top tube) + Extras

Price drop to $700 shipped any where in the lower 48 states. Last chance in 
this group Before its posted on eBay.
Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

2015-07-31 Thread MartyG

PM sent. 

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 1:07:35 AM UTC-4, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 I listed my complete Sam Hillborne recently and it didn't sell as a whole 
 bike, and I've still got the frame/fork/headset for sale. It's a 2012 64cm 
 Waterford-made Sam Hillborne frame and it is in 8.5/10 cosmetic condition. 
 Some surface paint scratches but no rust or other damage. It has a Cane 
 Creek 110 headset that was installed last year. Pictures can be seen here (
 http://imgur.com/a/hedAr) (I will add pictures of the stripped down frame 
 tomorrow). Asking for $775 plus shipping. 

 I will ship the frame via Fedex using shipbikes.com. Please feel free to 
 ask any questions you may have. Thanks for looking! 

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[RBW] Re: Question for the group, NOS Suntour ratchet barend shifters in original unopened package, what are they worth?

2015-07-31 Thread Max S

I like the way you roll, Garth! 

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 6:46:52 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:

   
 Their value is in the eye of the beholder of course.  Yet they are 
 simply shifters after all .  I too have some NOS SuTour and Sachs stuff and 
 have asked myself .  . . .what would I sell these for if I did ?  Like 
 many, I've looked at eprey and the like to see what any such items have 
 sold for , but what is it to Me what anyone else has ever done ?   If I 
 wish to sell them for a dollar , a million , or give them away  . .  . it 
 has no real effect on Me and My Life ! 

Whatever you choose, you cannot go wrong !  What price is such* 
 Freedom* ?   Priceless ! 


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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-31 Thread James Chang

Here is what I have now:

59cm Riv custom.  Homer with centerpull brakes kinda deal.  Frame by Mark
Nobillet and painted by Joe Bell.
55cm TIG weld standard tubing low trial 650B internal gear commuter.  Paul
crank and cantilever.  Nitto everything else.
57.5 1993 Bridgestone RB-1.  Patinated big time due to 20 years of use.

James Chang in Taiwan

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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Downsized a little recently.
 What I've got now:
 Riv Simpleone, 56
 Elephant NFE, medium
 Salsa El Mariachi, 19

 Pretty happy with this stable. Could probably live without the S1, but I
 really like it!

 Hudson in ATX

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-31 Thread kwhiner



 1978 Guerciotti 57cm Super Record, Dura Ace freewheels

 1986 Schwinn Paramount 58cm Dura Ace, Swapped 7400 brakes for 7700 Dual 
Pivots, and upgraded original 7 speed drivetrain to 8 speed(rr hub, rr 
derailleur, shifter, and chain) 
1989 Schwinn Paramount 57cm Campy 10 mixed groups(Chorus, Centaur, Old 
Record)
1984 Specialized Sequoia 57cm original except h/b replaced with 44cm Nitto 
Noodle and Specialized stem, haven't decided on saddle Brooks B17 presently,
early 2000s New York City Bike hybrid Frankenstein, plan to eventually swap 
frame for either LHT or Soma Saga
1991 Giant ATX all original except swapped out shifters for thumbies at 
purchase used mainly for snow riding never know thou lots of desert dirt 
roads east of Reno


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[RBW] FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne frame - $775

2015-07-31 Thread MartyG

PM sent

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[RBW] Reduced- FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne frame/fork (double top tube) + Extras

Price dropped to $700 shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states. Last chance in 
this group before its posted on eBay.
Any takers?
Thanks,
Shelby
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[RBW] Reduced- FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne frame/fork (double top tube) + Extras

Price drop to $700 shipped any where in the lower 48 states. Last chance in 
this group Before its posted on eBay.
Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Ballad of the short arms

2015-07-31 Thread Fred Craven

Handelbar plan: Noodle, because I like them, I know how to ride them.
Setup of said bars: Normally with Shimano Tiagra road brakes, and maybe 
Tektro interrupters (always wanted something like that).
Saddle height: I don't know, I didn't even know there was a high low 
option. Not very high. Comfortable enough for a moderate cadence.
Current Bike: Dead, buried, stollen, well remembered.

*My* last bike was the antithesis of Rivendell (except that it was steel), 
it was the forerunner of what time trial bikes are today. I used the bike 
long after I was young and eager to go fast, but it was always TO 
Stiff, and the handle bars were always way too low: early cow horns. It 
stretched me out something fierce. Other bikes that I have ridden were more 
comfortable, and larger, but I was still stretched out. My arms are 
literally two inches shorter than they should be. Even baby strollers are 
*just* out of my reach; most chair arms are too low to support my elbows 
(unless I slouch a lot); and if I sit my with my butt flat on the floor and 
my back straight, my knuckles don't touch the ground. That old custom bike 
was designed well for what it was but the builder was new…

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rib-Inspired hiking gear?

2015-07-31 Thread Justin Orion August

I am kicking myself for not havin grabbed this when buying my pack. 




What was I thinking?




-J



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 Don't forget the RBW stick pack:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/stickpack.htm
 jim m
 wc ca
 On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 12:37:47 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:

 Hey Folks-
 This summer I've really re-discovered my love of hiking - especially with 
 my dog. The East Bay has such amazing trails it's almost criminal not to do 
 it.
 Currently my standard hiking kit includes:
 - New Balance Minimus Shoes
 - Underarmor ankle socks
 - Either Giro New Road Mobility shorts (great shorts, you can find on 
 closeout right now!) or 8 year old Levi's stretch denim 511s cut off.
 - Standard cotton boxer briefs - although I did get a pair of Icebreaker 
 merino at REI on closeout. They are great.
 - GIRO new road merino wool ride top or Underarmor Charged Cotton or 
 Nike Dri-Fit mesh tank-top
 - Marmot minimalist packable backpack
 - Nalgene 32oz - dog
 - Nalgene 32oz or Specialized Purist - Human
 - Random bandana
 - iPhone - Runkeeper

 Any types of Riv-inspired gear that I could replace stuff with? Or that 
 you've found great on hikes of 4-20 miles in temps of 55-80 degrees? What's 
 your gear?

 -J

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[RBW] WTB: 51 cm Sam Hillborne

2015-07-31 Thread Stanley Withouski

Went to Riv last weekend only to find out they just ran out and won't be 
restocking until June.

Cheers
Stan

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[RBW] Re: Sam owners: axle-brake nut measure, pretty please

2015-07-31 Thread lukeheller

Perfection. Just what i needed. Thanks!!

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[RBW] Sugino Wide/Low Dbl Crank - Chain Rub Issue

2015-07-31 Thread RDS

Installed the Sugino Wide/Low double Crank (40/26).  Still in repair stand. 
 9 Speed.  Cassette is 11/34.  When the chain is in the small ring up front 
and the small ring in the back (yes, I realize that this might not be a 
good gear combination to ride in), the chain is making contact with the 
inside of the big ring.  To clarify, the chain is NOT coming in contact 
with the FD, but the inside portion of the big chain ring.

Does this mean that I need a BB that is more wide?  Or does this mean that 
I should never have the chain in that combination?  Or ???  Any help 
appreciated.

Bike is a 59 Soma San Marcos.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rib-Inspired hiking gear?

2015-07-31 Thread Justin Orion August

Hah! I wish. Well not really. If they had a minimalist pack that collapsed down 
smaller than my shoe I'd go for it. 







And I wear a minimalist shoe!




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 On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:

 Hey Folks-
 This summer I've really re-discovered my love of hiking - especially with 
 my dog. The East Bay has such amazing trails it's almost criminal not to do 
 it.
 Currently my standard hiking kit includes:

 - Marmot minimalist packable backpack


 Any types of Riv-inspired gear that I could replace stuff with? Or that 
 you've found great on hikes of 4-20 miles in temps of 55-80 degrees? What's 
 your gear?


 You realize, of course, that your list can never be truly complete until 
 you ditch that Marmot backpack for a Rivendell - the actual namesake of our 
 favorite bike company.  I keep my Mariposa model with me pretty much 
 everywhere I go - hiking or not.   I think it's my favorite possession.
 http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/product-category/our-packs/day-packs/
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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-31 Thread Jeremy T

Since our recent move to NYC, we only have Bromptons with us, but we've 
been trying to decide which of our bikes to bring out from CA.

1. Brompton M6L, bought used from Clever Cycles' rental fleet.
2. Brompton M6L, for the girlfriend too!
3. Pewter Saluki
4. 94 Bridgestone XO-3
5. 92 XO-2
6. Box Dog Bikes Pelican
7. Waterford 1900 Adventure Cycle
8. Rawland Drakkar
9. Ritchey P-22
10. Ellsworth Epiphany.

Whew. We share most bikes.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-31 Thread Joel Stern

In my basement.

I believe the Rivendell Road Custom is 2005 or so, not ridden in 5+ years 
currently for sale, Joe Stark built.

2 Bleriots, one ridden only about 10 times before I was involved in a car 
accident, the one with little use is also for sale.  I am holding the older one 
in hopes I will be able to ride one day.

I have many parts and some extra wheels as well. 

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Lungimsam

I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting science. 
Food and nutrition being one example.

We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't too long 
ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured ailments.

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[RBW] WTB: 41cm Nitto Noodle; FS: 53cm Soma Portola

2015-07-31 Thread Sofia Torres

Looking for some used 41cm Nitto noodles for an upcoming build. 

I also have 53cm Soma Portola bars for sale, installed and ridden for one 
60 mile ride, $55 including shipping.

Thanks!

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[RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-31 Thread ericf3

Home in Vancouver
65 1999 Gilles Bertrand custom with 32 Compass tires
XXL 2010 Salsa Fargo 
XL 2000 Trek 8000LT - my rain and snow rider.  I have to say the Kenda small 
block 8s are nice
52 2006 Bertrand and 51 2007 LHT both for wife

Cottage eastern Ontario
XL MEC Cote anout to install Compass 38s on and wife has unk. era KHS mtn bike 
w Compass 26 by 1.75 ( nice )

and at relatives place in Peterborough a 1996 Fisher Montare

I like them all and am holding space for a Rive or A BM Monstercross...

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[RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-31 Thread N. Llama

I find fenders especially useful for gravel paths, where without them the 
gravel is being picked up by the tires and hitting my feet, legs and bike 
frame (You can hear a *ting* *ting* sound of the gravel hitting the frame). 
Also the one time I rode a gravel trail without fenders I got a small piece 
of gravel really lodged between my chainrings which would not have happened 
if I had my fenders.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Handlebars/ Thomson Post plus some modern parts

2015-07-31 Thread Rod Chew

Soma Hwy One bars no longer available.



On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:05:30 PM UTC-7, Rod Chew wrote:

 *FOR SALE:*


- Nitto B136 AA randonneuring touring handlebars 42cm width from 
flared drops, *40 cm ctr to ctr where hoods mount*, clamp 26.0 *$55 
shipped*
- Thomson elite seatpost 27.2 straight, black, 330mm length   *$70 
shipped*
- Thomson X4 stem 100mm 31.8 clamp +/- 10 degree rise/drop, silver, 
faceplate included *but NO bolts for faceplate**  $45 shipped*
- Tiagra 10 speed shifters (STI) with front derailleur 31.8mm clamp 
and rear derailleur (up to 30 tooth cog)  *$110 shipped*
- Soma Highway One handlebars, classic curve, 26.0 clamp, 42cm width 
(ctr to ctr), shallow drop, silver*  $45 shipped*


 *Thanks*


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[RBW] Re: ...whereby a stone became caught up in his wheel

2015-07-31 Thread GAJett

Imagine this happening on a 100 kph descent.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Dbl Crank - Chain Rub Issue


  Yes . . . .  ditto of what Steve highlighted on what you originally said 
, never have the chain in this combination  !   

The 26 to me, is really more of a bailout ring anyways , lol .  The 40 
can use the entire cogset so the 26 would only be used when/if I really 
needed it .  Tiny rings feel rather odd to ride in anyways , at least for 
me, , fine for those times when I needed it uphill but I'd never want to 
ride it on the flats .

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[RBW] Hillborne Frameset for Sale for California Buyers - free delivery - 60 cm, Single TT

2015-07-31 Thread James Warren


The orange, single TT, 60 cm frame as part of a complete bike is pictured here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157625850005210

The main scratch it has is just under the seat lug where the pump made contact, 
but it's had few scratches otherwise, and no crashes or dents. I'll post more 
frame-only photos later this weekend.

The sale is for frame, fork, headset, and BB. The BB is whatever length works 
well on this frame with the Sugino XD crank (but the crank is not included.) I 
love the Hillborne, and I'm selling this one, because I have moved up to a 
larger size Hillborne frame. I purchased this frame new from Rivendell in 
December of 2010.

$800 OBO includes a free delivery to buyers in CA. Around August 7, I'm making 
a road trip from Los Angeles to Sonoma County, and my schedule is flexible 
enough that I could make a detour to bring the frame to the buyer.

Thanks for looking and interested people can contact me at this e-mail off of 
the forum. Priority given to CA buyers so I don't have to deal with shipping. 
Also, if there is interest, I think I can include a Kalloy seatpost. I'll 
confirm that Saturday.

-James W.
Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] FS: Giordana XL-Eco 57 cm

2015-07-31 Thread Tim Gavin

This is a mid-90s Giordana XL-Eco stage racing bike. Designed by Dario
Pegoretti, built by Billato in Italy.
Lugged steel! Campagnolo and Sachs!

Photos
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/library/Facebook/Giordana%20XLEco%201996

Size: 57 cm (57 seat tube, 57 top tube, 72 degree head angle, 73 degree
seat angle)

This bike rides smoothly (this steel is very real) and fast, with
lightweight tubing and supple tires. It planes under my #220; springy but
not noodly. Cool backgammon blue and white paint.

Overhauled less than 500 miles ago with new chain, cassette, cables
housing (Campagnolo), tires, brake pads, and bar wrap.

2 x 8 speed drivetrain, equipped with Sachs New Success components. New
Success was Sachs' last premier gruppo before being bought by SRAM. This
gruppo was a partnership with Campagnolo, and the shifters are apparently
Campagnolo Record but with Sachs-branded brake levers. These shifters are
completely rebuildable (Campy spare parts still available) and very solid.
This bike is equipped with a later Sachs setup that is compatible with 8
speed Shimano.

Tubing: Excelle Eco OS, very very thin wall heat-treated nickel-chromium
steel (Pegoretti's favorite tubeset). Investment-cast lugs, with
pantographs at bottom bracket and brake bridge. Frame is still available
NOS from Bikyle (http://www.bikyle.com/giordanafrm.asp
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bikyle.com%2Fgiordanafrm.asph=BAQGIapfFenc=AZOixyghR1r1mALCAOg7B6To9z3lFD4Of_J4VJh299yyw3Nv4b5hyh5eVX8II4dUuI0ekswWBrGo8eMjId9kXFyYv92VF3WAMosPjs4Dnd3zE0qX4xY0_vizJd0J8TyYWd_18kZqkT2zmg_wmy8uDIx3ry6BJb2HMGajba19nSJb_ws=1
)
Fork: matching Excelle Eco, G pantograph on crown
Headset: 1 threaded Shimano XTR M900
Crank: Sachs New Success, 175 mm
Chainrings: 53/39, Campagnolo
Shifters: Sachs New Success aka Campagnolo Record 8 speed
Front Derailleur: Sachs New Success, double
Rear Derailleur: Sachs New Success, short cage
Cassette: 8 speed 12-28 Shimano
Wheels: Mavic Open Pro 28 hole laced to Shimano 600 tricolor hubs
Tires: Grand Bois Cerf blue 26 mm wide. Very supple, very light, the most
comfortable tires that fit.
Brakes: Sachs New Success aka Modolo SLK. New Kool-stop pads
Stem: Nitto Technomic, 11cm extension
Bars: Nitto B115 drop, 42 cm wide. Deda imitation leather tape with twine
finish.
Seatpost: unknown aluminum racing post, very light
Saddle: Selle San Marco Strada T. Leather top, titanium rails

Also included: Spare Campagnolo brake hoods (new in box), original Cinelli
66 bars (44cm wide), and Cinelli XA stem (stripped steerer bolt).

Pedals not included.

The frame has a handful of paint chips but no dents. This bike has been
ridden, and is in great shape to be ridden much more. I've ridden it
sparsely in the two years I've owned it, because my 650b Riv Road is more
comfortable and more capable over rough streets and gravel. I don't like
being limited to pavement-only rides.

I'm 6'1 and this bike fits me as it's currently set up; I used the long
and tall Technomic to relax the riding position a bit. It would be a
better fit for a slightly smaller person.

Located in Cedar Rapids, IA. Willing to ship at owner's expense.

Tim Gavin

[RBW] FS: Giordana XL-Eco 57 cm

2015-07-31 Thread Abcyclehank

Price?

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Re: [RBW] FS: Giordana XL-Eco 57 cm

2015-07-31 Thread Tim Gavin

oops!

$695

Thanks!

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 Price?

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[RBW] Re: Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Don Compton

My 2 cents
At 63, I've been riding as an adult for 31 years. I nevered wanted to race 
because I was a competive golfer and wanted to escape that situation. Over 
the years my fitness improved, I always suffered from lower back problems. 
I got really fit, light and pretty strong. The back pain never left.
Forward to today, I only ride hard for very short periods and enjoy 35-50 
miles at moderate pace in the Gold Country of N. California with almost no 
back pain.
This crazy thing about training ( long and hard at high heart rates) is 
that it reaches to nowhere. What's the point when you're a recreational 
rider?
My goal is to finish a ride with my back feeling OK and my body not feeling 
totally spent. Bottom line I am fit without being totally unhealthy. I have 
alot of cycling friends that have suffered from Afib, not pretty. Some died 
young.
Bottom line, keep riding, but ride for enjoyment.
Don 

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 9:04:37 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:

 Here is an interesting article that may be worthy of your attention:

 http://velonews.competitor.com/cycling-extremes

 Enjoy,

 Matt


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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Bicycle shops in Hokkaido

2015-07-31 Thread Alan Pickett

Hi Nils - 

I know nothing about Japan or Hokkaido bike shops, but I do remember that 
Jitensha Studio sells a high quality cloth bar tape called Viva that is 
made in Japan. Here http://www.jitensha.com/eng/e_index.html is a link to 
their website, and contact email is: h...@jitensha.com. 

By the way, the site says that Hiroshi is spending more time now in Japan, 
but is responding to emails, so perhaps you could get a quick turnaround on 
an inquiry and get that bar re-wrapped.

Looking forward to more details of your adventure.
Alan

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:51:05 AM UTC-4, Nils Janson wrote:

 Hi all --

 I'm currently one week in to a three week credit card tour of Hokkaido, 
 Japan, with my dad, and I was wondering if any list members knew of a 
 Riv-ish shop in Hokkaido.  I'm in Hakodate now and will be in Niseko, 
 Otaru, and Sapporo in the upcoming week, so any of those cities would fit 
 the bill.  I'm specifically looking for cloth bar tape, and it would be 
 neat if I could find a local cycling cap.

 I got into a little bit of an accident on my first day due to the 
 combination of jet lag and heat (95º and 90% humidity in Tokyo -- ugh!) and 
 ripped the rear derailer cable straight out of my handlebar wrapping. 
  Luckily, nothing else was seriously damaged other than my pride, and I was 
 able to substitute a John's Irish Strap for the bar wrap.  But it would be 
 nice if I could wrap it in some real cloth bar tape, so I'm interested in 
 buying some along the way.

 Incidentally, the Homer is handling the trip like a champ.  I couldn't be 
 happier with my choice of bike to bring along on this trip, even if it did 
 involve the additional hassle of boxing up the bike (lesson learned: use 
 pool noodles!).

 Obligatory shot of my bike, along with my dad's bike and the bike of 
 Hiroaki, a 22-year-old cyclist we met on our third day of cycling, attached.

 Nils


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-07-31 Thread Brewster Fong


On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:



 On 07/31/2015 04:41 PM, Liesl wrote:

 Aaach this one hit home.  My sister died at age 51 of tachycardia and her 
 daughter struggles with it as well.  As I was reading the article, I found 
 out someone I knew died within the past hour of a heart attack. My dad had 
 three heart attacks in a week and died from the third at age 58.  At 56, my 
 doc says my ticker takes after my mom's side, which is good news.

 The article was really good and thoughtful.  I think there's a paradigm 
 shift that needs to happen; Just Ride is part of it.

 I always feel a bit of a slacker when I read about all the centuries 
 here.  Today I'm good with just riding.



 But centuries *are* just riding -- unless you go out of your way to 
 make them competitive.

 
Agree. In the SF Bay Area, it seems like the hottest centuries are the gran 
fondos. I asked a friend who loves them what is the difference between 
the gf and the rides put on by the various bicycle clubs.   He told me that 
at a gf, you get a racer like Levi or the latest one Jensie (Jens Voigt) 
riding AND there's a clock as the ride is timed! So I said there must 
not be any rest stops if everyone is riding for time. He said No, there are 
lots of rest stops with food, water, etc. He also said he stops at each one 
too. I didn't ask, but I thought, if you're stopping at the rest stop, 
what's the purpose of the clock?Good Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne with Rohloff Hub

2015-07-31 Thread Wayne Naha

Those orange Sams are the best.  And a Rohloff hub, too!  I hear you say 
it's Time, but I think you would do well to keep it.  You may yet ride 
again, and your patient Sam will wait for you.  Take it down, and keep it 
where you can see it.

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:53:02 AM UTC-4, John wrote:

 it's time


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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?




On 07/31/2015 02:14 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

I don't put alot of truck in science anymore. Too much conflicting science. 
Food and nutrition being one example.

We like to think we've got it all figured out but remember, it wasn't too long 
ago we thought the world was flat and bleeding people cured ailments.



But that wasn't science...


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