[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Ron Mc
I bet riv will put another set on for you if you ask - there's room behind 
the seat tube.  
for all you clamp-on guys, the best ever is KlickFix 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/klickfix.jpg
  

VeloFred sells these (and has good prices on whatever he sells) 
 http://www.velofred.com/rixen-kaul-klickfix-bottlefix-p-317.html


On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 3:54:50 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:

 Just curious about the water schleping capabilities of a Cheviot.

 Can another bottle holder be done? 

 Thanks! 


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[RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

2015-08-05 Thread Garth

I'll take Rich's word for it as he actually handles them .  Thank you 
David for asking !  

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Garth

   They could have added a second under the down tube , which is standard 
on any bike intended for touring type riding , whether that be hours or 
days .  A third could have been behind the seat tube .   To advertise this 
frame as touring worthy with only only 1 bottle holder is rather 
contradictory . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rental Rockville, MD area

2015-08-05 Thread Philip Kim
I know you can bring bikes on Amtrack, I think it might be for free too. A 
lot of people bring their bike on trains to Pittsburgh and ride down the 
cO and Gap.

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:

 Yeah I saw a few of those. thanks everyone for the recommendation. The 
 surly would indeed be a bit too big but I definitely appreciate the offer. 
 I also looked into a case to bring my bike, which would come in handy for 
 future travel, but that seems like a whole other can of worms and wad of 
 cash i'm not willing to spend right now (with used bike boxes being the 
 cheapest option but not for lugging it around trains back and forth to the 
 airport, or cramming in small sedans when people pick you up and you have a 
 big ole box with you).

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM, islaysteve alki...@verizon.net 
 javascript: wrote:

 Some shops that come up in a search are:  Revolution Cycles (Rockville or 
 Twinbrook station, ask them), Hudson Trail Outfitters (Twinbrook or a White 
 Flint) and Big Wheel Bicycles(bethesda station).  All or on the Red Line, 
 close to Twinbrook. Of course, call first and make sure they have what you 
 need.
 Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Dan McNamara
Agreed on the second spot under the down tube and third behind the seat tube - 
at least on the larger sizes for the seat tube. Might as well take advantage of 
space afforded by those long chain stays. 

I'll be trying the twofish behind the seat and see how that goes. 

Dan



 On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
They could have added a second under the down tube , which is standard on 
 any bike intended for touring type riding , whether that be hours or days . 
  A third could have been behind the seat tube .   To advertise this frame as 
 touring worthy with only only 1 bottle holder is rather contradictory . 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rental Rockville, MD area

2015-08-05 Thread Dan McNamara
David - 

If you are still interested in a case, I have one sitting in the garage not 
being used. Let me know offline. 

Dan

 On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:57 PM, David Stein davecst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah I saw a few of those. thanks everyone for the recommendation. The surly 
 would indeed be a bit too big but I definitely appreciate the offer. I also 
 looked into a case to bring my bike, which would come in handy for future 
 travel, but that seems like a whole other can of worms and wad of cash i'm 
 not willing to spend right now (with used bike boxes being the cheapest 
 option but not for lugging it around trains back and forth to the airport, or 
 cramming in small sedans when people pick you up and you have a big ole box 
 with you).
 
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote:
 Some shops that come up in a search are:  Revolution Cycles (Rockville or 
 Twinbrook station, ask them), Hudson Trail Outfitters (Twinbrook or a White 
 Flint) and Big Wheel Bicycles(bethesda station).  All or on the Red Line, 
 close to Twinbrook. Of course, call first and make sure they have what you 
 need.
 Cheers, Steve
 
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[RBW] Bike rental Rockville, MD area

2015-08-05 Thread WETH
I have a bike you could borrow.  Photo here : https://flic.kr/p/rwdcLk
I also have a 56cm Atlantis with Noodles if you think it would fit you.
I am traveling until later in August.  Contact me off list and we can see what 
we can arrange if you're interested.
Thanks,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Atlantis for sale in Grand Rapids, MI

2015-08-05 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
That's a good deal and it fits me. I'm glad I'm leaving for PBP next Wednesday 
or I'd probably be trying to talk him into shipping it to me!

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Re: [RBW] Bike rental Rockville, MD area

2015-08-05 Thread David Stein
Man, the generosity on here is amazing!

Erl - Unfortunately I think a 56cm Atlantis is too tall from a standover
perspective (maybe you can confirm, but I cap out about a 31 standover and
get nervous trying to dismount anything higher in traffic or in a pinch).

My typical frame sizes range from a 48 on the low side to 54cm on the high
side, with 52 usually being the sweet spot depending on the frame.

Dan - I'll PM you.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a bike you could borrow.  Photo here : https://flic.kr/p/rwdcLk
 I also have a 56cm Atlantis with Noodles if you think it would fit you.
 I am traveling until later in August.  Contact me off list and we can see
 what we can arrange if you're interested.
 Thanks,
 Erl
 Kensington, MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dipping my toe into mountain riding at 8800 feet ...

2015-08-05 Thread Justin August
Which one is Batman and which one is Bruce Wayne?

-J

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[RBW] Portland on Monday

2015-08-05 Thread DS
In addition to my upcoming Maryland trip thread, I just realized I'll also 
be in Portland for work on Monday (8/10) through the following day. Pending 
some meetings I'm waiting to hear back on, I may actually be free Monday 
afternoon/evening. 

Thinking of renting a bike downtown (I'll be at the ace hotel, there seems 
to be a number of bike rental places nearby). Any recommended 20-30 mile 
routes leaving from downtown?

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Daniel D.
second set of water bottle cage mountskickstand plate

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 5:04:51 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


They could have added a second under the down tube , which is standard 
 on any bike intended for touring type riding , whether that be hours or 
 days .  A third could have been behind the seat tube .   To advertise this 
 frame as touring worthy with only only 1 bottle holder is rather 
 contradictory . 


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[RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

2015-08-05 Thread Rich Lesnik
Another interesting characteristic of the rear hub is the location of the 
pawls. Unlike most freehubs, which have the pawls on the freehub body, 
these hubs have the pawls (6 sets of 2ea) located in the hub body, with the 
ratchet ring on the freehub body. So the moving parts move less -- great 
design. As for the steel-or-alloy freehub body, my money's on steel. I'll 
check it with a magnet when I'm back there on Thursday. Oh, and yes, 
definitely cartridge bearings. 4 in the rear hub.

On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 What do y'all think of the new Silver hubs?  Are they cartridge bearing'd? 
  It looks that way in the photo but I'm not certain.

 I've been thinking of building up a rear mtb wheel for the Hunq using 
 Shimano XT.  This would be better, I think.




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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-08-05 Thread Gary
Well, this thread makes me feel better about my bike hoarding from 30 yrs 
of riding. Here is my embarrassing list:

62 orange ram
60 blue ram (wife's bike that she doesn't ride and I should sell)
62 green saluki (from the first batch)
58 grey hunq
MR6 brompton
62 Richard Sachs (2002)
62 Merlin Road (1991)
Co-Motion Tandem (2000)

Gary

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 11:22:27 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:

 Dave,
 It's  red, but with a little orange. I just can't believe I sold my first 
 Roadeo. I've equiped the new bike with a new Ultegra 11sp wide group ( 
 50-34 crank and 11-32 cassette).
 At 63, the low gears were what I needed. I can go slow uphill and not feel 
 like I am grinded a big gear. Also, after 30+ years with Campy, I have 
 become a Shimano convert. Some would consider this heresy.
 And, I am back to enjoying going downhill.
 Enjoy your Roadeo. Don't EVER sell it.
 Don

 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 4:39:13 AM UTC-7, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

 Don,
 What color did you go with on your Roadeo?
 I am so glad i kept mine, re shod it with pasela 35s and loving it!
 Dave Nawrocki
 Ft. Collins, CO

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 *Subject: *[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

 I am just a recreational, club rider, but I have fallen to the Riv 
 philosophy regarding geo and fit. I have many bikes but my current rides 
 are a Roadeo with the new Shimano Ultregra 11sp gruppo( 50-34 crank with 
 11-32 cassette), and a Hampsten Tournesol steel frame with Campy Record 
 10sp. Both bikes are my favorites. I love steel bikes with room for large 
 tires.

 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets 
 used a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest 
 bike ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for 
 all her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along.


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

2015-08-05 Thread Paul G
I'm sure all would agree that pictures are mandatory! ;-)

28mm Grand Bois tires on the Roadeo are my favorites for sporty handling 
during fast, twisty descents. 23mm rims.

I've also tried Jack Brown Greens. They give a more sure-footed stable feel 
for city commuting with a saddle bag but are too stable feeling for me on 
twisty descents. They also roll noticeably (to me) slower, but gain that 
plow through stuff feeling that is really nice.

I currently have 30mm GB Cypres Extra Legers on the Roadeo. They feel like 
they roll the fastest and smoothest with the most vibration damping but the 
sidewalls are really fragile. I accidentally rubbed a sidewall against a 
rough asphalt curb and ruined a virtually new rear tire that way. There's a 
durability tradeoff, but they are really fast feeling and smooth...but I 
still like the handling feel of the 28's mentioned above better I think.

Paul

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[RBW] Portland on Monday

2015-08-05 Thread Lynne Fitz
Assuming Portland OREGON, you could ride out and back on the Springwater 
Corridor Trail to Boring and back.  Coincidentally, you'd go right by Rivelo.

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Re: [RBW] Portland on Monday

2015-08-05 Thread David Stein
Yes, sorry, I forget about ole Portland, Maine. I will be in OR. Thanks! I
did see some of that trail by car when I was there last month (visiting
Rivelo!)

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 Assuming Portland OREGON, you could ride out and back on the Springwater
 Corridor Trail to Boring and back.  Coincidentally, you'd go right by
 Rivelo.

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[RBW] Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Bill Lindsay


Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5 
drivetrain, bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable, 
but otherwise, thumbs up!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXTDwShSZHM/VcJJGjzZwzI/DGQ/y6-0uIsq2uc/s1600/merckxte.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXTDwShSZHM/VcJJGjzZwzI/DGQ/y6-0uIsq2uc/s1600/merckxte.jpg





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Re: [RBW] Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Eric Norris
Do I see three different locks? With a bike like that, I guess security is a 
must.

Thanks for sharing.

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 On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5 drivetrain, 
 bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable, but otherwise, 
 thumbs up!
 
 
 
  
 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXTDwShSZHM/VcJJGjzZwzI/DGQ/y6-0uIsq2uc/s1600/merckxte.jpg
  
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Re: [RBW] Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Tim Gavin
It's a Falcon-made Merckx, which were a line licensed by Eddy but
factory-made by Falcon.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/falcon.html

Although there were high-end Falcon-made Merckx bikes, the cottered crank
on this one indicates it was a cheapo model.

That doesn't mean it isn't classy.  I like how the diagastays have two
curves.  The rear curve (obscured by the pannier) looks Riv-esque.

It's obviously well-used but appreciated as daily transport, and it has a
newer rear tire.

I'd lock up any bike that was that nice Molteni orange.  Although I'm sure
the saddle is just a scavenged item, it makes me think, red and yellow
make orange.

It also reminds me that my red Riv had ugly yellow bar tape and cages when
I bought it, which made me think of a fast food clown.

Tim

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 Do I see three different locks? With a bike like that, I guess security is
 a must.

 Thanks for sharing.

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 Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5
 drivetrain, bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable,
 but otherwise, thumbs up!



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXTDwShSZHM/VcJJGjzZwzI/DGQ/y6-0uIsq2uc/s1600/merckxte.jpg


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[RBW] Re: Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Garth
  
   Cool Bill !  I do luv me some European flair .   There are so many cool 
bikes in Europe it's endless .  There's flickr page I found that has bikes 
and riders to no end in Denmark. It's geared toward the people and the 
fashion, but on their great variety of bikes on Copenhagen . Cool cool cool 
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Kellie
Put on a basket, carry a seat bag: you can carry all the water you want.

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Re: [RBW] Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Jim Bronson
Are you over there for PBP?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5
 drivetrain, bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable,
 but otherwise, thumbs up!



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Re: [RBW] Merckxte!

2015-08-05 Thread Bill Lindsay
No I'm back in the US from my vacation, which included Paris.  I was there 
last week.  I saw the final stage of the Tour de France, which was a 
bucket-list item for me.  .  

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Are you over there for PBP?

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5 
 drivetrain, bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable, 
 but otherwise, thumbs up!



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXTDwShSZHM/VcJJGjzZwzI/DGQ/y6-0uIsq2uc/s1600/merckxte.jpg


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Garth

  Personally, I'd also delete pump peg . For myself, frame type pumps were 
fine back in the 80's when there was little choice . Plus, under the TT was 
always a goofy place for a pump when trying to pick up the bike .  On my 
Bombadil I use what I regard as the best kind of pump, Topeak Mtn. Morph 
that attaches via 2 molded nylon pieces that attach under my DT bottle 
mounts .  No bulky bracket is necessary and it looks clean, it just snaps 
in/out and never has fallen off . I tried my bestest to !  The pump sits 
slightly to the side of the frame and still clears the cranks just fine . 

   So another mount could be put at that spot , like the Hunqapillar's but 
on the underside .  . 

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[RBW] Re: Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

2015-08-05 Thread dougP
Today's BLUG includes a note to Grant regarding the Velo article.  A guy 
who suffered a very close call but lived to tell the tale.  Nothing like 
the voice of experience.  

dougP

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 8:29:42 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My 2 cents
 At 63, I've been riding as an adult for 31 years. I nevered wanted to race 
 because I was a competive golfer and wanted to escape that situation. Over 
 the years my fitness improved, I always suffered from lower back problems. 
 I got really fit, light and pretty strong. The back pain never left.
 Forward to today, I only ride hard for very short periods and enjoy 35-50 
 miles at moderate pace in the Gold Country of N. California with almost no 
 back pain.
 This crazy thing about training ( long and hard at high heart rates) is 
 that it reaches to nowhere. What's the point when you're a recreational 
 rider?
 My goal is to finish a ride with my back feeling OK and my body not 
 feeling totally spent. Bottom line I am fit without being totally 
 unhealthy. I have alot of cycling friends that have suffered from Afib, not 
 pretty. Some died young.
 Bottom line, keep riding, but ride for enjoyment.
 Don 

 On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 9:04:37 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:

 Here is an interesting article that may be worthy of your attention:

 http://velonews.competitor.com/cycling-extremes

 Enjoy,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Although I've tooted and touted the virtues of the classic HpX, and enjoyed
the more dubious style points of the uber cool but primitively annoying
Impero (Campy head; what else?), I have to say that Lezyne has brought
minipumps out of barbarism into high civilization. I forget the model, but
they have a fat, short one that does wonderfully with 622 X 60 Big Apples
and even better with 622 X 50 Furious Freds. And I just bought a Road Drive
in Medium, and in beautiful polished aluminum, which fits nicely into the
custom Banzer Bag that adorns my gofast. The Road Drive claims 160 psi max,
which means in reality that 90 is easy for skinnies.

Lezyne also makes a miniature floor pump that puts the Topeak Morphs to
shame aesthetically and ergonomically, but it's a wee bit too long and
bulky for a smallish seat pack.

These words from one who, 20 years ago, suffered Untold Hells trying to get
559 X 35 Fatboys to the statutory 110 psi, as labeled on the sidewall,
using Blackburn Airsticks.

That said, while I have, am now, and will in the future abandon, reject,
dismiss, renounce, relinquish, disclaim, disavow, forgo, disown, discard,
and utterly reject all frame pumps in favor of the best current mini
pumps, I fully intend, aim, propose, and determine to have suitable pump
peg affixed, appended, attached, and subjoined to any possible future and
at this point hypothetical custom dirt road bike for the sake of mounting a
medium-sized Impero with Campy head, to complement the bike's inevitable
Dura Ace 7410 derailleurs.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


   Personally, I'd also delete pump peg . For myself, frame type pumps were
 fine back in the 80's when there was little choice . Plus, under the TT was
 always a goofy place for a pump when trying to pick up the bike .  On my
 Bombadil I use what I regard as the best kind of pump, Topeak Mtn. Morph
 that attaches via 2 molded nylon pieces that attach under my DT bottle
 mounts .  No bulky bracket is necessary and it looks clean, it just snaps
 in/out and never has fallen off . I tried my bestest to !  The pump sits
 slightly to the side of the frame and still clears the cranks just fine .

So another mount could be put at that spot , like the Hunqapillar's but
 on the underside .  .

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[RBW] Re: Ketogenics: long rides during the first couple weeks

2015-08-05 Thread Alan Pickett
That is fascinating and extreme to the extreme Andy. So all meds have to be 
special ordered or prepared by a pharmacy for a Just the active 
ingredients, Ma'am approach?

As to to the bacon, Hah! I came home from work today - having a historic 
sweet tooth - and made a Stevia vodka tonic that I sipped on while I fried 
up 5 slices of tasty Virginia bacon from Ayrshire Farm and nibbled on 
Cowgirl Creamery Triple Cream Mt. Tam cheese. Perhaps my representation of 
this as severe is a little overstated, no? While it's hard to bid 
farewell to my beloved sugars, it was the first time in my life I've every 
fried up a punch of bacon for my health!

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 9:09:39 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:

 Absent a committed elimination of carbohydrates, one's ketotic state is 
 not perfect. In kids with neurological need of a ketogenic diet, we 
 eliminate carbs to a degree most never think about such as the binders of 
 tablets or the emulsifiers of suspensions which have been regular 
 medications up to the start of the keto diet. Yep, I detect an odd taste 
 and breath when I go on beyond carbohydrate metabolism. 

 Never been much of a sweet tooth thankfully, rather have some bacon or a 
 nice Fromanger d'Affinois (soft double cream cow's milk cheese), like I'm 
 noshing at this moment following a long stint at work. Amateur ketogenicist.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 12:21:45 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Actually, the taste in the mouth means the body isn't using ketones 
 efficiently for energy, but trying to get rid of them. As I understand it's 
 a sign that something isn't being done right (too much protein, not enough 
 fat? I don't remember what.). Most of what is known about ketons is based 
 on diabetes and isn't true ketosis. Healthy ketosis is very different, as I 
 understand it and have experienced it for the last few years.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 9:28:45 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:

 I was thinking just what the Deacon said (citations omitted). 

 Getting used to adjustments of your metabolism's switch from 
 carbohydrate to fat during an episode of effort is key. Repetition makes it 
 easier to forecast the carbohydrate needs. A trip down the ketosis path 
 is always worthwhile as an educational data point, one where you learn the 
 taste it puts in your mouth and the breath you produce while ketotic 
 (acetone). 

 The Wikipedia entry on this is a nice abstract and worth a read: 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh 

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Alan,

 The simple answer is you need time to transition you body to being fat 
 burning rather than sugar burning, especially during extra levels of 
 activity. As in 1-3 months of transition time at a minimum before you 
 could 
 head out on a ride and not eat anything. The long answer is there are a 
 number of things going on and I'll address a few of them from my own 
 experience (I lose the details of the science of it, so think in concepts).

 You just started this thing. This is your fourth day. Bring some dates 
 or other dried fruit on your longer rides and eat them if you bonk. Your 
 liver isn't yet up to speed on converting protein to glucose on the fly. 
 It 
 will get there, but it has to build up to it, and that's part of what 
 takes 
 months.

 Being ketogenic is a state where your body does not consume carbs of 
 any kind (less than 20 grams) in a day. I'm betting you don't want or need 
 to be full time ketogenic. This is an extreme version of low carb and from 
 all I've read it is not recommended unless you have a medical condition 
 warranting it (generally a neurological issue of some sort). I am nearly 
 always ketogenic and my bludgeoned brain functions much better this way. 
 However, my wife and daughters eat safe carbs (white rice, potatoes, 
 sweet potatoes), four fist fulls a day. This is the approach of the 
 Perfect 
 Health Diet (book on Amazon, no affiliation) and it may be a great way for 
 you to go. You become fat burning, but also eat the carbs your body needs 
 rather than relying on your liver to produce them.

 There is a don't do it window in low carb eating between ketogenic 
 and low carb consumption where the body is getting to many carbs to be in 
 ketosis, and not enough carbs to replace what the body isn't doing. I 
 forget the amounts of carbs involved here, but the concept is go higher or 
 lower, not in the middle. 

 You may find the concept of intermittent fasting helpful. It's simple: 
 eat all your food for the day in an 8 hour window, then fast for the other 
 16. This is well explored in the PHD book as well. This is great for 
 health 
 as your body enters a pick up the trash and recycle the bits floating 
 around phase.

 If you need to eat carbs for your Sept. century ride, eat them. No 
 biggie. I would recommend avoiding grains and 

[RBW] Re: Ketogenics: long rides during the first couple weeks

2015-08-05 Thread Deacon Patrick
Alan, one of the things that happens with intermittent fasting (eating 
within an 8 hour or less each day) is that your body does dip into being 
ketogenic and it learns how to burn fat and then handle carbs when they 
come in moderate amounts. Also, leafy greens don't count as carb, as the 
carbs are fiber and convert to fatty acids in the lower intestine. FOr 
quite a while I followed the PHD on a more extreme intermittent fasting (I 
just ate to hunger and that usually meant one meal a day).

Regarding cholesterol numbers, they don't mean what your doctor likely 
thinks they mean (and they never have). I'd recommend Grain Brain for a 
solid explanation, but the concepts are that we require cholesterol for 
brain health and it is not even very corollary to heart disease, let alone 
causal.

Andy is right, a super strict ketogenic diet would be amazingly strict and 
there is no real need for it. In summer I'll have a fruit (a peach with 
whipped cream today. Yum.) and keifer or yoghurt in wee amounts, plus 
unlimited leafy greens. That's still below whatever threshold I figured out 
works for me, and you are entering into your own N=1 and will learn a lot 
in the next few months about what works for you.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-08-05 Thread Chris Chen
- 56 650b Hilsen
- 57 700c Hilsen rebuilt with SS Couplers, Canti Posts, and Low-trail Fork
- Bantam Bicycles General Chen's Chicken Sport Delivery
- ~94 Stump Jumper Comp

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 I'll play

 - Jones Diamond Truss Frame with fat front
 - Boulder All-Road
 - Rivendell Cheviot

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

2015-08-05 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch


On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:50:02 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 Plus, under the TT was always a goofy place for a pump when trying to pick 
 up the bike .  


Not if you have a DTT 

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

2015-08-05 Thread Don Compton
On another note, after many $$ spent, I have finally found a saddle that I 
can live with, a Specialized Phenom mountain bike saddle. Pure Heaven.
I loved the old B-17's for years, but the hump finally got me.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: Ketogenics: long rides during the first couple weeks

2015-08-05 Thread ascpgh
Absent a committed elimination of carbohydrates, one's ketotic state is not 
perfect. In kids with neurological need of a ketogenic diet, we eliminate 
carbs to a degree most never think about such as the binders of tablets or 
the emulsifiers of suspensions which have been regular medications up to 
the start of the keto diet. Yep, I detect an odd taste and breath when I go 
on beyond carbohydrate metabolism. 

Never been much of a sweet tooth thankfully, rather have some bacon or a 
nice Fromanger d'Affinois (soft double cream cow's milk cheese), like I'm 
noshing at this moment following a long stint at work. Amateur ketogenicist.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 12:21:45 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Actually, the taste in the mouth means the body isn't using ketones 
 efficiently for energy, but trying to get rid of them. As I understand it's 
 a sign that something isn't being done right (too much protein, not enough 
 fat? I don't remember what.). Most of what is known about ketons is based 
 on diabetes and isn't true ketosis. Healthy ketosis is very different, as I 
 understand it and have experienced it for the last few years.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 9:28:45 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:

 I was thinking just what the Deacon said (citations omitted). 

 Getting used to adjustments of your metabolism's switch from carbohydrate 
 to fat during an episode of effort is key. Repetition makes it easier to 
 forecast the carbohydrate needs. A trip down the ketosis path is always 
 worthwhile as an educational data point, one where you learn the taste it 
 puts in your mouth and the breath you produce while ketotic (acetone). 

 The Wikipedia entry on this is a nice abstract and worth a read: 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh 

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Alan,

 The simple answer is you need time to transition you body to being fat 
 burning rather than sugar burning, especially during extra levels of 
 activity. As in 1-3 months of transition time at a minimum before you could 
 head out on a ride and not eat anything. The long answer is there are a 
 number of things going on and I'll address a few of them from my own 
 experience (I lose the details of the science of it, so think in concepts).

 You just started this thing. This is your fourth day. Bring some dates 
 or other dried fruit on your longer rides and eat them if you bonk. Your 
 liver isn't yet up to speed on converting protein to glucose on the fly. It 
 will get there, but it has to build up to it, and that's part of what takes 
 months.

 Being ketogenic is a state where your body does not consume carbs of any 
 kind (less than 20 grams) in a day. I'm betting you don't want or need to 
 be full time ketogenic. This is an extreme version of low carb and from all 
 I've read it is not recommended unless you have a medical condition 
 warranting it (generally a neurological issue of some sort). I am nearly 
 always ketogenic and my bludgeoned brain functions much better this way. 
 However, my wife and daughters eat safe carbs (white rice, potatoes, 
 sweet potatoes), four fist fulls a day. This is the approach of the Perfect 
 Health Diet (book on Amazon, no affiliation) and it may be a great way for 
 you to go. You become fat burning, but also eat the carbs your body needs 
 rather than relying on your liver to produce them.

 There is a don't do it window in low carb eating between ketogenic and 
 low carb consumption where the body is getting to many carbs to be in 
 ketosis, and not enough carbs to replace what the body isn't doing. I 
 forget the amounts of carbs involved here, but the concept is go higher or 
 lower, not in the middle. 

 You may find the concept of intermittent fasting helpful. It's simple: 
 eat all your food for the day in an 8 hour window, then fast for the other 
 16. This is well explored in the PHD book as well. This is great for health 
 as your body enters a pick up the trash and recycle the bits floating 
 around phase.

 If you need to eat carbs for your Sept. century ride, eat them. No 
 biggie. I would recommend avoiding grains and processed sugar, but instead 
 eat fruit and nuts. Have fun, and enjoy the ride!

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 5:02:56 AM UTC-6, Alan Pickett wrote:

 Hi All - 

 First, feel free to just point me to another thread if this has been 
 hashed and re-hashed before. 

 Here's the scoop: Started the EBDJ diet last Saturday August 1st, with 
 a commitment to go 6 weeks, then assess. At the same time, we (my lady 
 Heidi and I) have been training up for a rambling century ride in 
 September, and are gonna do 60 or so miles this weekend. I'm a little 
 worried about going on a long ride, one I would normally carb - up for, 
 before my body is doing the fat-burning ketogenic thing, for fear of 
 bonking. This weekend, we 

[RBW] Re: You might be a Riv owner if you...

2015-08-05 Thread Evan E.
. . . think a zip tie can be an engagement ring.

. . . twine and shellac your (hickory!) crutches--and then slap your 
forehead because you forgot to use pine tar before the twine.

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[RBW] Rivelo bridge party Sun Aug 9 in PDX

2015-08-05 Thread Beth H
Portland-area Riv-lovers:
Rivelo is hosting a party this Sunday, Aug, 9 in honor of The Peoples'
Preview of the new Tillicum Crossing bike-ped-transit bridge.
Party starts around 12:30, bridge preview 1:30 to 4:30.
I hear there may be food and music.
Who's going?
Beth in PDX

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

2015-08-05 Thread Don Compton
Here you go

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: Ketogenics: long rides during the first couple weeks

2015-08-05 Thread Alan Pickett
Dear Patrick and Andy - 

Thank you for your thoughtful responses, I really appreciate it, and 
Deacon, I find your conceptual way of sharing both what you understand 
about the science (even if the technical details make your eyes and brain 
glaze over, as they do mine!) and how you relate that to your own 
experience I find extremely helpful. It is true, I have no (known!...) 
medical condition that would necessitate a formal ketogenic diet, but am 
interested in a little experimentation as I now have a modestly elevated 
HA1C and some wacked lipid profiles that appear to be trending in the wrong 
direction. I think I may have thrown myself into this a little to quickly 
and extremely, and will take a little more time to study up and perhaps 
reframe my timeline, expectations, and self-care along the way!

I'm also not particularly interested in a severe approach to food and 
love making, eating, and savoring it too much to even want to be overly 
regimented about it, but it appears that a little well-informed, 
non-oppressive regimentation may be in order. Thank you for suggesting the 
PHD book, it is ordered, and if I understand you correctly, i may be able 
to induce some fat burning down the road without being formally 
ketogenic. In the meantime, I'll make sure I'm properly fueled and 
unmiserable as I continue to ride along!

Hope you are both well, and Deacon, I'm glad you have taken such good care 
of your battered brain, we are all beneficiaries of your insights, humor, 
knowledge, and encouragement, and while I know from what you have written 
that you have had to make major lifestyle changes to keep both psyche and 
soma in good form, any deficits are undetectable from where I sit.

Cheers!
Alan

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Alan,

 The simple answer is you need time to transition you body to being fat 
 burning rather than sugar burning, especially during extra levels of 
 activity. As in 1-3 months of transition time at a minimum before you could 
 head out on a ride and not eat anything. The long answer is there are a 
 number of things going on and I'll address a few of them from my own 
 experience (I lose the details of the science of it, so think in concepts).

 You just started this thing. This is your fourth day. Bring some dates or 
 other dried fruit on your longer rides and eat them if you bonk. Your liver 
 isn't yet up to speed on converting protein to glucose on the fly. It will 
 get there, but it has to build up to it, and that's part of what takes 
 months.

 Being ketogenic is a state where your body does not consume carbs of any 
 kind (less than 20 grams) in a day. I'm betting you don't want or need to 
 be full time ketogenic. This is an extreme version of low carb and from all 
 I've read it is not recommended unless you have a medical condition 
 warranting it (generally a neurological issue of some sort). I am nearly 
 always ketogenic and my bludgeoned brain functions much better this way. 
 However, my wife and daughters eat safe carbs (white rice, potatoes, 
 sweet potatoes), four fist fulls a day. This is the approach of the Perfect 
 Health Diet (book on Amazon, no affiliation) and it may be a great way for 
 you to go. You become fat burning, but also eat the carbs your body needs 
 rather than relying on your liver to produce them.

 There is a don't do it window in low carb eating between ketogenic and 
 low carb consumption where the body is getting to many carbs to be in 
 ketosis, and not enough carbs to replace what the body isn't doing. I 
 forget the amounts of carbs involved here, but the concept is go higher or 
 lower, not in the middle. 

 You may find the concept of intermittent fasting helpful. It's simple: eat 
 all your food for the day in an 8 hour window, then fast for the other 16. 
 This is well explored in the PHD book as well. This is great for health as 
 your body enters a pick up the trash and recycle the bits floating around 
 phase.

 If you need to eat carbs for your Sept. century ride, eat them. No biggie. 
 I would recommend avoiding grains and processed sugar, but instead eat 
 fruit and nuts. Have fun, and enjoy the ride!

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 5:02:56 AM UTC-6, Alan Pickett wrote:

 Hi All - 

 First, feel free to just point me to another thread if this has been 
 hashed and re-hashed before. 

 Here's the scoop: Started the EBDJ diet last Saturday August 1st, with a 
 commitment to go 6 weeks, then assess. At the same time, we (my lady Heidi 
 and I) have been training up for a rambling century ride in September, and 
 are gonna do 60 or so miles this weekend. I'm a little worried about going 
 on a long ride, one I would normally carb - up for, before my body is 
 doing the fat-burning ketogenic thing, for fear of bonking. This weekend, 
 we went on a 25 mile and I ended up riding like a tree sloth, in slow 
 motion, even on the flats, desperately 

Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-08-05 Thread Clayton.sf
I'll play

- Jones Diamond Truss Frame with fat front
- Boulder All-Road
- Rivendell Cheviot

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

2015-08-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Lovely.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here you go

 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using
 700x28 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r.
 It's like I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don

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[RBW] Re: You might be a Riv owner if you...

2015-08-05 Thread Don Compton
PERFECT!!

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 People heft your bike  ask What does this thing weigh?

 You are asked How old is your bike, anyway?

 Off-pavement, you are asked How did you get here?

 dougP

 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:35:08 AM UTC-7, Alohashirt wrote:

 ...Get bugs on your teeth from smiling while you ride.

 ...Can use Betty Foy in a sentence and are not an English Lit professor.

 ...Refuse to buy a carbon fiber iPhone case because you're sure it will 
 fail catastrophically.

 ...Feel sorry for a friend who just went on a European vacation: He could 
 have spent the money building a loaded Homer Hilsen instead.

 *Please continue!*




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[RBW] WTB bullmoose MAYBE bosco moose

2015-08-05 Thread Conway Bennett
Like it says.  Thanks in advance!

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