[RBW] WTT Moustache for Albatross or Boscos

[Frank Brose]

Title says it all. As much as I like Moustache bars as I age I'm seeming to 
like Albatross better along with lower gears, fatter tires, yada, yada, 
yada. You get the picture.
Thanks,
Frank

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Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

[cyclotourist]

Yes, some over lap there.

I'm re-thinking my options right now as well... wanting some bikes with
larger tire capacity and tubeless tires, and trying to work out the best
way to get there!

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 3:13 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yep, just too large to take it to the next step - fatter (than 35mm)
> tires. No stand over room. I've recently that powder coat canti- Homer
> that I love for mixed surface riding here on the east coast:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/17026382140/in/album-72157651662871709/
>
> And, I sold my old 2010 double TT Hillborne in favor of a smaller single
> TT Black & Cream Hillborne (for touring):
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/19527279914/in/album-72157656598945451/
>
> So, with 8 bikes, something had to go! (That, and I need two crowns on
> molars!)
>
> I've loved the Atlantis and would have moved it to "touring" mode if there
> were more stand over. All in all, I've have over 6,000 miles on it and
> selling for about what I paid in 2011. I hope I don't regret it! Should I?
> I hope not. The tubing seems a bit stiff, though I did not mind it. And, I
> really never cured the chainsuck problem entirely, probably due to the
> "80's-style" chain stays (not oval / not crimped).
>
> P.
>
> Paul Germain
> *www.GermainArt.com *
> germain...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cyclotourist 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 2:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.
>
> Say it isn't so!
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:57 AM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now
>> overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for
>> me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it
>> in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did
>> not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with
>> fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma  interrupter levers,
>> and PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped
>> the middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with
>> a pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete
>> except for pedals and computer.
>>
>> I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal
>> preferred, shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders
>> separately. A build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used
>> Atlantis you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up
>> right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders).
>>
>> *FS w/o pedals or computer. * I'd be willing to buy back the racks,
>> fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly.
>> Contact me off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:
>>
>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280
>> *
>>
>> *The poop:*
>> 2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube).
>> Like-new condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up.
>> Frame-Savered.
>>
>> Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.
>>
>> Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring  *new* (0 miles).
>> Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
>> Front Der.: Shimano 105.
>> Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
>> Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.
>>
>> Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.
>>
>> Headset: Shimano Ultegra.
>>
>> Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
>> Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
>> Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).
>>
>> Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.
>>
>> Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.
>>
>> Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.
>>
>> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.
>>
>> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.
>>
>> Brooks B17 saddle, honey.
>>
>> King bottle cages.
>>
>> Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
>> PDW fender stay breakaways (4).
>>
>> Front rack: Nitto 32F.
>> Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
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>
>
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Seems to me that if differences can only be detected under carefully 
controlled conditions using power meters none of these tires are worth all 
the fuss and expense.  I'll stick with my $20 Vittoria Randonneur's.

Matt

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:22:40 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
>
> We'll consider the Furious Fred and Thunder Burts when we next test tires 
> on the track with a power meter under carefully controlled conditions. 
> Thank you for the suggestion.
>
> Best,
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:31:05 PM UTC+2, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Jan.
>> I have enjoyed reading your articles in blog and BQ, and they inspired me 
>> to do the test.
>> As an amateur cyclist, my time to ride bike is limited, so I cannot say 
>> for sure how many times I will ride the same route.
>> I like to visit places I have never seen, rather than riding same route 
>> over and over.
>> (I'm pretty sure that most people in this group understand this 
>> inclination)
>> Still, I am interested in performances of tires myself, so when I do 
>> further test, I will post about it.
>>
>> I have read in your blog (comment section maybe) that you consider 
>> Furious Fred and Thunder Burt as too much off-road-oriented, but I think 
>> they were very smooth and efficient on pavement.
>> So I am expecting to read reviews of those tires in future issues of BQ.
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>
>> 2015年9月5日土曜日 15時15分36秒 UTC+9 Jan Heine:
>>>
>>> Takahashi,
>>>
>>> That is an interesting comparison. Like you, I am surprised that our 
>>> Barlow Pass tires weren't super-fast. At first, I thought about why this 
>>> could be... until I realized that you did only one run with each tire. You 
>>> mention that yours isn't a detailed study, and you are right. It would be 
>>> erroneous to draw conclusions based on a single run, especially on a road 
>>> course where so many variables can change.
>>>
>>> It's very important to control all the variables when testing tires. For 
>>> example, at Bicycle Quarterly, we test on a track, and only when there is 
>>> no wind (measured with a windspeed meter, < 0.5 m/s; but looking at trees 
>>> and checking that the leaves don't move is equally precise). We also 
>>> measure temperature and correct for that based on a curve we've established 
>>> by measuring the same tires at different temperatures. We do at least three 
>>> repeats with each setup.
>>>
>>> On an open-road course, you'll have many more variables that change. The 
>>> way to deal with this is to do repeat runs until the variations average 
>>> out. A statistical analysis helps you figure out whether you've reached 
>>> that point. (Bicycle Quarterly's tests always include a statistical 
>>> analysis to make sure we report actual differences between tires, rather 
>>> than just "noise" in the data.)
>>>
>>> So I encourage you to do more test runs with at least some of the tires, 
>>> and then do a statistical analysis. If you need help with that, we can 
>>> help. (BQ contributor Mark Vande Kamp has a Ph.D. with a minor in 
>>> statistics.)
>>>
>>> In the mean time, rather than looking at numbers, it may be more useful 
>>> to report your impressions of riding each tire. How did they feel different 
>>> on each section of your course? Which one was more fun to ride? In the end, 
>>> that is what counts for most of us when we ride.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you for doing the testing. Please continue the experiment 
>>> until you get meaningful numbers. It's of great interest to all of us how 
>>> these tires perform.
>>>
>>> Jan Heine
>>> Compass Bicycles
>>> www.compasscycle.com
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yep. I'm sure Ian will enjoy riding it when he's here!


Paul Germain





-Original Message-
From: dougP 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 9:54 pm
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.


 
Paul:  
  
Two solutions (other than selling the bike) spring to mind:  
  
Trade for a 58 cm Atlantis (don't look at me!); or  
  
I know a guy in Huntington Beach who needs a bike in your area; I think it will 
fit him just fine. :-)  
  
dougP  
  
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 9:57:59 AM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:  
   

 
  I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for me, 
I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it in Dec. 
2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did not take to 
it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with fenders, but I 
added front & rear mini racks, Soma   interrupter levers, and PDW fender 
stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped the middle ring 
down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with a pricey SKF 113mm 
to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete except for pedals and 
computer. 
 
  
 
 
  I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal 
preferred, shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders 
separately. A build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used 
Atlantis you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders).  
 
  
 
 
  FS w/o pedals or computer.   I'd be willing to buy back the racks, 
fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. Contact me 
off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size: 
 
  
 
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280 
 
  
 
 
  The poop: 
 
  2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). 
Like-new condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. 
Frame-Savered.  
 
 
  
 
 
Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm. 
 
  
 
 
Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring   new (0 miles). 
 
Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra. 
 
Front Der.: Shimano 105. 
 
Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27. 
 
Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.  
 
 
  
 
 
Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp. 
 
  
 
 
Headset: Shimano Ultegra. 
 
  
 
 
Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole. 
 
Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno. 
 
Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new). 
 
  
 
 
Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables. 
 
  
 
 
Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters. 
 
  
 
 
Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm. 
 
  
 
 
Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape. 
 
  
 
 
Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65. 
 
  
 
 
Brooks B17 saddle, honey. 
 
  
 
 
King bottle cages. 
 
  
 
 
Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm. 
 
PDW fender stay breakaways (4). 
 
  
 
 
Front rack: Nitto 32F. 
 
Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack. 


 


   
Paul Germain   
Midlothian, Va.   
  

   
  
 
  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Orange 54 Rambouillet

[John Blish]

This bike has been sold.  Payment and shipping pending.

Thanks to everyone who responded and to the list for making transfers like
this possible.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:52 PM, John Blish  wrote:

>
> This is a classic bike in exceptional condition for any age.  Always
> stored inside the house in a heated, cooled and moisture-controlled area.
>
>  The photos can be seen at:
>
>  https://goo.gl/photos/w68cFzsj8nw9gqSx5
>
> If you are interested, please email me privately:
>
> jblish at gmail dot com
>
> I am asking $1750, plus packing and shipping.   It is advertised for more
> in other places.  Please identify yourself as a list member for that price.
>
>
> ---
>
> Iconic Rivendell in the original and preferred color - orange. This bike
> is just as it came from the Rivendell dealer, John Coleman's Kenwood
> Cyclery, in Minneapolis in April, 2004 when it was purchased new. It has
> fewer than 200 miles on it. A picture of the original rear tire, which has
> been on the bike since it left the shop, showing no wear, is included.
> Original sales receipt is included. The parts are period correct because
> they are original.  I will be happy to explain to anyone who wants to know
> how it came about that this bike has seen almost no use, but not here.
>
> Components include:
>
> Crank: Sugino Crown S XD2 triple 170 mm
> Rings: 46-36-26
> Bottom Bracket: Phil Wood
> Front and Rear DR: Shimano Ultegra
> Chain: Shimano
> Cassette: Century Special 13 - 30 from Harris Cyclery
> Pedals: MKS MRX flat (sneaker) pedals
> Hubs: Phil Wood, front and rear
> Rims: Mavic Open Pro 32 spoke - stainless steel, front and rear
> Tires: Original Ruffy Tuffy (Pasela) tires 700 x 28
> Headset: Shimano Ultegra
> Bars: Nitto Noodle 44 cm
> Stem: Nitto
> Shifters: Shimano 9 speed bar ends
> Brake levers: Shimanno Ultegra road brake levers and Paul Components
> canti-lever mounted on bars just outboard of the stem
> Brakes: Shimano side-pull calipers
> Seatpost: Nitto 65 single-bolt Crystal Fellow
> Saddle: Brooks Champion Special Ti rails
>
> Bike was Frame-Savered prior to original purchase.
>
> I will include two new Pasela Panaracer tires (shown) 700 x 28C along with
> the original tires.  The brass bell is also included and so is the Cateye
> Vectra Wireless computer. The SKS black aluminum core, plastic-coated
> fenders are included. Includes pedals and saddle as shown.
>
> I am willing to help you find a bike shop here (Twin Cities) that will
> pack and ship at your expense and deliver the bike to them if that is what
> you need.
>
> All these photos are as they came from my Olympus digital camera. There
> has been no changing, touch-up  or processing after the original exposure.
>
>
> The bike is listed for sale on other sites and is offered here subject to
> prior sale. This listing may be removed at seller's discretion.
>
> Please contact me if you have any questions. Thanks.
>
> ​John​
>
> --
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> Minneapolis MN USA
>
>
>


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[RBW] Re: Parts cleanout sale

[Anton Tutter]

More stuff gone, here's what's still left:
 

>
> - VO +/-6deg threadless stem, 110mm, 1-1/18" steerer, 25.4mm clamp. New. 
> Mounted but never ridden. $25
>
> - VO Canti brake refills (BR-0030), set for front or rear. New. $3
>
> - SRAM Rival 2014 front road derailleur, for braze-on mount. New. $20
>
> - 28.6 to braze-on FD adaptor. New. $10
>
> - Shimano baseball cap. New. $10
>

And another item to add to the list:

- SRAM X7 mtn double crankset, 170mm, w/42-28T rings.  NEW. $80

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[drew]

ok. you guys have peaked my interest in going in a non-repaint way. George, 
that bike looks incredible.  so what is the deal with a realignment? i 
thought a frame builder had to do that, but then again ive never outright 
asked a bike shop. are there many around that are capable of doing that 
kind of work?

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Edwin W]

Jan,

You have discovered a way to make all tires seem supple and fast rolling: ride 
15 miles on rumble strips then go out on a "regular" ride. 
For those that don't want to spring for new tires!

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[RBW] Re: FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

[dougP]

Paul:

Two solutions (other than selling the bike) spring to mind:

Trade for a 58 cm Atlantis (don't look at me!); or

I know a guy in Huntington Beach who needs a bike in your area; I think it 
will fit him just fine. :-)

dougP

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 9:57:59 AM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
> overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for 
> me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it 
> in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did 
> not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with 
> fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma interrupter levers, 
> and PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped 
> the middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with 
> a pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete 
> except for pedals and computer.
>
> I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal preferred, 
> shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders separately. A 
> build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used Atlantis 
> you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
> right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders). 
>
> *FS w/o pedals or computer. *I'd be willing to buy back the racks, 
> fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. 
> Contact me off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280 
> *
>
> *The poop:*
> 2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). Like-new 
> condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. Frame-Savered.
>
> Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.
>
> Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring *new* (0 miles).
> Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
> Front Der.: Shimano 105.
> Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
> Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.
>
> Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.
>
> Headset: Shimano Ultegra.
>
> Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
> Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
> Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).
>
> Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.
>
> Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.
>
> Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.
>
> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.
>
> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.
>
> Brooks B17 saddle, honey.
>
> King bottle cages.
>
> Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
> PDW fender stay breakaways (4).
>
> Front rack: Nitto 32F.
> Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>

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Re: [RBW] Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[Jason Hartman]

I'm going to recommend taking it in the opposite direction. Skip the
blasting and powder coat. Tackle the rust and just hit the bare spots with
a clear coat of rattle can, or wax. It will be way less attractive to
thieves and function just as well.

Jay Hartman

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, drew  wrote:

> Thanks for the bb closing recommendations. Both seem more thought out than
> what I did. I'll give it a go today.
> It is unlikely that I'll have it realigned. I don't really think it's that
> big of an issue, I was just wanting to make sure that it didn't need to be
> realigned. And of course, one could find a nicer/straighter frame for more
> money, but that would take away the magic of rescuing this almost free,
> almost disposed of frame.
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Re: [RBW] Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[George Schick]

Yeah, after reading these threads I was going to recommend what Jay says. 
 Strip it as best as you can and if you don't want to just clear coat over 
the striped frame, primer it with an "etching" primer, sand with fine 400 
grit paper, clean as completely as possible with tack rag or air 
compressor, and spray on an enamel rattle can of your choice.  After it's 
dried thoroughly you can go over the frame - especially the orange peel, 
etc. - which you WILL  have regardless of how carefully you try to spray 
it, with rubbing or polishing compound.  Get some "Resurrectio" decals from 
Riv, apply 'em according to instructions and enjoy putting all the 
components back in place.   The only thing I would add is that after you've 
striped, cleaned, and primed the frame, take it to a quality LBS and have 
them align it, especially those stays.   I did all the above to a "rescue" 
Fuji Finest frame I found under similar circumstances that I wanted to turn 
into a single-speed and it turned out like this:




On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-5, jay hartman wrote:
>
> I'm going to recommend taking it in the opposite direction. Skip the 
> blasting and powder coat. Tackle the rust and just hit the bare spots with 
> a clear coat of rattle can, or wax. It will be way less attractive to 
> thieves and function just as well. 
>
> Jay Hartman
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015, drew  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the bb closing recommendations. Both seem more thought out 
>> than what I did. I'll give it a go today.
>> It is unlikely that I'll have it realigned. I don't really think it's 
>> that big of an issue, I was just wanting to make sure that it didn't need 
>> to be realigned. And of course, one could find a nicer/straighter frame for 
>> more money, but that would take away the magic of rescuing this almost 
>> free, almost disposed of frame.
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Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yep, just too large to take it to the next step - fatter (than 35mm) tires. No 
stand over room. I've recently that powder coat canti- Homer that I love for 
mixed surface riding here on the east coast:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/17026382140/in/album-72157651662871709/



And, I sold my old 2010 double TT Hillborne in favor of a smaller single TT 
Black & Cream Hillborne (for touring):


https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/19527279914/in/album-72157656598945451/


So, with 8 bikes, something had to go! (That, and I need two crowns on molars!)


I've loved the Atlantis and would have moved it to "touring" mode if there were 
more stand over. All in all, I've have over 6,000 miles on it and selling for 
about what I paid in 2011. I hope I don't regret it! Should I? I hope not. The 
tubing seems a bit stiff, though I did not mind it. And, I really never cured 
the chainsuck problem entirely, probably due to the "80's-style" chain stays 
(not oval / not crimped).


P.


Paul Germain
www.GermainArt.com
germain...@aol.com




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To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.


 
Say it isn't so! 
 
  
  
On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:57 AM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:   
   

 
  
   I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for me, 
I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it in Dec. 
2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did not take to 
it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with fenders, but I 
added front & rear mini racks, Somainterrupter levers, and PDW fender 
stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped the middle ring 
down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with a pricey SKF 113mm 
to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete except for pedals and 
computer.  
  
   
  
  
   I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal 
preferred, shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders 
separately. A build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used 
Atlantis you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders).   
  
   
  
  
   FS w/o pedals or computer.I'd be willing to buy back the racks, 
fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. Contact me 
off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:  
  
   
  
  
   https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280
  
  
   
  
  
   The poop:  
  
   2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). 
Like-new condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. 
Frame-Savered.   
  
  
   
  
  
Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.  
  
   
  
  
Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ringnew (0 miles).  
  
Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.  
  
Front Der.: Shimano 105.  
  
Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.  
  
Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.   
  
  
   
  
  
Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.  
  
   
  
  
Headset: Shimano Ultegra.  
  
   
  
  
Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.  
  
Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.  
  
Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).  
  
   
  
  
Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.  
  
   
  
  
Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.  
  
   
  
  
Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.  
  
   
  
  
Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.  
  
   
  
  
Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.  
  
   
  
  
Brooks B17 saddle, honey.  
  
   
  
  
King bottle cages.  
  
   
  
  
Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.  
  
PDW fender stay breakaways (4).  
  
   
  
  
Front rack: Nitto 32F.  
  
Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.  
 
 
  
 
 
 
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.
   
 

 
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[RBW] Re: Judder on the Hunqa

[Ginz]

I second the fork mounted cable stop.  Fixed it completely for me.

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[RBW] Wtb nitto mini front

[subfascia]

Hey all,

Im looking for two mini front racks, Nitto  32f. They attach by metal threaded 
post through the brake hole and by fixed arms to the fork legs. Anyone have a 
spare? Reply offlist to avoid clutter in the group. 

Thanks
Jason
SF,CA



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[RBW] Breezer

[Montclair BobbyB]

Joe Breeze (and Tom Ritchey) made some awesome bikes.  

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[RBW] Re: Judder on the Hunqa

[Deacon Patrick]

Fascinating! Yes, I have one, per Mark at Riv building it for me. Quick and 
easy fix.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 4:30:09 PM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
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> I second the fork mounted cable stop.  Fixed it completely for me.
>
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[RBW] FS: Price Reduced! Berthoud GB2886 Handlebar Bag and Decaleur!

['Jim Cloud' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 

For Sale:  Price Reduced!  Once more around before the Bay… Berthoud GB2886 
black handlebar bag with Velo Orange Decaleur.  This handlebar bag is the 
deluxe model with leather strap closures and an interior pocket for 
identification, etc.  It is largest one that Berthoud produces and should 
be used with a decaleur (included)..  See the Berthoud website for 
dimensions - 
http://www.gillesberthoud.fr/anglais/fiche_detaillee/fiche.php?refArticle=321GB2886/N

 

This handlebar bag is in virtually new condition with very little usage and 
no staining from rain or deterioration by sun exposure.  I have found that 
my cycling baggage needs are satisfied by a saddlebag, and really don’t use 
a handlebar bag.  Photos of the bag, including the decaleur and its 
mounting on my bicycle are here – 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/albums/72157656508743292

 

The handlebar bag includes the accessory shoulder strap for carrying off 
the bike.  This is a very nice handlebar bag which Jan Heine rightly calls 
the standard for this type of bag.  Sale is by PayPal only for $285.00 (*NOW 
$250.00*) which includes shipment (no international sales).

 

Please contact me off list.

 

Jim Cloud

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[George Schick]

Actually, it's not all that difficult.  The frame in the pic I posted had 
126mm rear dropout spacing and I wanted 120mm so I could use an existing 
hub I had.  So I followed Sheldon's instructions 
at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html and everything worked 
perfectly.  The only reason I took it to an LBS is to have them check to 
make sure the rear drop-out's remained parallel during my respacing process 
by using these 
tools 
http://www.parktool.com/product/frame-and-fork-end-alignment-gauge-set-FFG-2 
, way too expensive for me to buy for a one-time project like this, but the 
LBS only charged me $20 to do it.
The fork was beyond rescue so I bought one of those general purpose ones 
from a web retailer and took it from there (Riv has a couple of great ones 
for sale if you need a new one and want to pop the bucks for one of theirs).

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 8:07:50 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> ok. you guys have peaked my interest in going in a non-repaint way. 
> George, that bike looks incredible.  so what is the deal with a 
> realignment? i thought a frame builder had to do that, but then again ive 
> never outright asked a bike shop. are there many around that are capable of 
> doing that kind of work?
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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[Peter Adler]

I recall reading a tip on one of the de-rustificator's websites (either 
Metal Rescue or Evapo-Rust): Soak rags or paper towels in Metal rescue, 
wrap it around the frame (and inside the BB shell), then seal the soaked 
rags/towels in place with plastic wrap. Unwrap after desired exposure time.

If you really want to get hung-ho with it, get a kid's wading pool, lay the 
frame on its side, immerse in Metal Rescue.

Peter "rust never sleeps, so total warfare is necessary" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:25:26 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> *question 1-* anyone have recommendations for adequately closing up the 
> bottom bracket hole to make it water tight? i was getting an increasingly 
> leaky leak, preventing the metal rescue from sitting in the frame for the 
> several hours it takes to dissolve the rust. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Evan E.]

Congratulations, Tom! Beautiful bike. 


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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Setup

[Ron Mc]

I find myself, too adjusting out chain noise on the FD from time to time, 
so this morning I ran a test.  Not sure if it was OCD or a desire to avoid 
obsessing over FD adjustment, but on a climb where I needed my 
next-to-largest cog, I dialed the FD to noise on the inside of the cage, 
then just dialed it out.  Made the rest of the ride using 8 gears down to 
the smallest 12t cog and back up without ever adjusting the FD.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Montclair BobbyB]

That frame would look great just about any way you configure it, but for my 
2-cents I would keep it simple, light and fast as it was intended. Congrats, 
we're all envious.  BB

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Thom Goodmann]

That's my idea, too, Montclair BobbyB!  Thinking to follow the seller's
path and ride this bike in southern Indiana's Hilly Hundred next year, as
he has done; says it is a bike that just wants to go---


On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
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> That frame would look great just about any way you configure it, but for
> my 2-cents I would keep it simple, light and fast as it was intended.
> Congrats, we're all envious.  BB
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[RBW] Re: How to get out Brooks sit bone divets sop the rear frame down;t dig into my rear end.

[Ron Mc]

Another observation.  I've found my saddle stretching adversely with sweat 
and creating a sore spot toward the end of long rides.  This morning at my 
halfway stop, I adjusted the saddle nose up a half-turn front and back 
bolts and it eliminated the problem.  

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 5:05:02 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice, y'all.
> I guess I'll have to tension, proofhide and see what happens. maybe lace 
> if need to.
>
> @Michael: That is an interesting idea. Thudbuster. Then I could just get a 
> slotted cambium and not have to worry about having to only get a sprung 
> saddle. Plus the Cambium removes the wetness damage issue. I'll keep the 
> thudbuster option in mind.
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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Takashi]

Thank you Jan.
I have enjoyed reading your articles in blog and BQ, and they inspired me 
to do the test.
As an amateur cyclist, my time to ride bike is limited, so I cannot say for 
sure how many times I will ride the same route.
I like to visit places I have never seen, rather than riding same route 
over and over.
(I'm pretty sure that most people in this group understand this inclination)
Still, I am interested in performances of tires myself, so when I do 
further test, I will post about it.

I have read in your blog (comment section maybe) that you consider Furious 
Fred and Thunder Burt as too much off-road-oriented, but I think they were 
very smooth and efficient on pavement.
So I am expecting to read reviews of those tires in future issues of BQ.

Takashi


2015年9月5日土曜日 15時15分36秒 UTC+9 Jan Heine:
>
> Takahashi,
>
> That is an interesting comparison. Like you, I am surprised that our 
> Barlow Pass tires weren't super-fast. At first, I thought about why this 
> could be... until I realized that you did only one run with each tire. You 
> mention that yours isn't a detailed study, and you are right. It would be 
> erroneous to draw conclusions based on a single run, especially on a road 
> course where so many variables can change.
>
> It's very important to control all the variables when testing tires. For 
> example, at Bicycle Quarterly, we test on a track, and only when there is 
> no wind (measured with a windspeed meter, < 0.5 m/s; but looking at trees 
> and checking that the leaves don't move is equally precise). We also 
> measure temperature and correct for that based on a curve we've established 
> by measuring the same tires at different temperatures. We do at least three 
> repeats with each setup.
>
> On an open-road course, you'll have many more variables that change. The 
> way to deal with this is to do repeat runs until the variations average 
> out. A statistical analysis helps you figure out whether you've reached 
> that point. (Bicycle Quarterly's tests always include a statistical 
> analysis to make sure we report actual differences between tires, rather 
> than just "noise" in the data.)
>
> So I encourage you to do more test runs with at least some of the tires, 
> and then do a statistical analysis. If you need help with that, we can 
> help. (BQ contributor Mark Vande Kamp has a Ph.D. with a minor in 
> statistics.)
>
> In the mean time, rather than looking at numbers, it may be more useful to 
> report your impressions of riding each tire. How did they feel different on 
> each section of your course? Which one was more fun to ride? In the end, 
> that is what counts for most of us when we ride.
>
> Again, thank you for doing the testing. Please continue the experiment 
> until you get meaningful numbers. It's of great interest to all of us how 
> these tires perform.
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles
> www.compasscycle.com
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[RBW] WTB: 50cm Rambouillet or 51cm Roadeo

[Fullylugged]

The 50 and 52 Rams are 26" (559) size wheels. They are smaller than a 50 for 
700 wheels will be. Just FYI. I take a 50 in a 700, but ride a 52 Ram.

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[Garth]

   Personally , I'd take it/send it to a frame builder who can thoroughly 
inspect it, align it , replace any tubes or anything that needs it, and 
repaint it.  In Ohio I know of such a person , but obviously this is not LA 
!   Being in LA, maybe such persons don't exist there , I have no idea . 

  This assumes of course, you *absolutely* want this frame and it is worth 
investing in.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Thom Goodmann]

I will definitely post pictures of the build, and am open to any
recommendations toward taking advantage of this frame's tubing, and keeping
the build light.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 3:04 AM, Evan E.  wrote:

> Congratulations, Tom! Beautiful bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Garth]

   I agree with Steve here , we're simply speaking here of preferences . No 
two will ever be exactly the same .  People can't agree on what to measure, 
let alone how to measure it .  People can't even agree on what to eat for 
lunch . .  . . .   

  Computers can't do it for you !  Who programs a computer ? .. exactly 
. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Patrick Moore]

Huh! Who'd 'a thunk?

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Garth  wrote:

>   I guess in my own way I'm saying The Absolute, Life, is not *found*
> "in" any-thing(objects or subjects) ,  The Absolute *IS* The
> All(inclusive), One Whole. Object and subject are the same One Whole.
>
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> All-inclusive Self . The Whole. Inclusive of it's Infinite Distinctive
> Identities.
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

[cyclotourist]

Say it isn't so!

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:57 AM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now
> overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for
> me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it
> in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did
> not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with
> fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma interrupter levers,
> and PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped
> the middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with
> a pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete
> except for pedals and computer.
>
> I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal preferred,
> shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders separately. A
> build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used Atlantis
> you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up
> right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders).
>
> *FS w/o pedals or computer. *I'd be willing to buy back the racks,
> fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly.
> Contact me off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280
> *
>
> *The poop:*
> 2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). Like-new
> condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. Frame-Savered.
>
> Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.
>
> Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring *new* (0 miles).
> Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
> Front Der.: Shimano 105.
> Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
> Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.
>
> Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.
>
> Headset: Shimano Ultegra.
>
> Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
> Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
> Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).
>
> Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.
>
> Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.
>
> Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.
>
> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.
>
> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.
>
> Brooks B17 saddle, honey.
>
> King bottle cages.
>
> Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
> PDW fender stay breakaways (4).
>
> Front rack: Nitto 32F.
> Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Jim M.]

Congrats! It's a great bike. The Legolas group needs more 
members: https://www.flickr.com/groups/legolas/

jim m
wc ca

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 7:16:54 AM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> That's my idea, too, Montclair BobbyB!  Thinking to follow the seller's 
> path and ride this bike in southern Indiana's Hilly Hundred next year, as 
> he has done; says it is a bike that just wants to go---
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Montclair BobbyB  > wrote:
>
>> That frame would look great just about any way you configure it, but for 
>> my 2-cents I would keep it simple, light and fast as it was intended. 
>> Congrats, we're all envious.  BB
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[RBW] Re: Judder on the Hunqa

[Will]

You probably need a fork mounted cable stop. 

Will

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 11:23:02 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> I have Tektro cantilever brakes on my 58cm Hunq. The brake judder, even at 
> low to moderate speed, is so violent that the front wheel skips off the 
> ground. I would be afraid to do a fast descent. I hardly ever ride the bike 
> and that is one of the reasons why. What should I do?

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Re: [RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Garth]

Yes . . .  .Who'd 'a !   


On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Huh! Who'd 'a thunk?
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Garth  
> wrote:
>
>>   I guess in my own way I'm saying The Absolute, Life, is not *found* 
>> "in" any-thing(objects or subjects) ,  The Absolute *IS* The 
>> All(inclusive), One Whole. Object and subject are the same One Whole. 
>>
>> So if there is to called a "reference" , it would be the All-Inclusive's 
>> All-inclusive Self . The Whole. Inclusive of it's Infinite Distinctive 
>> Identities. 
>>
>> Essentially . .  . * I Am that which I seek* . 
>>
>> This is most Wondrous Good News ! ! !
>>
>>
>>   So . . .. carry on with this posting . . . . ;-) 
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[RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for 
me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it 
in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did 
not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with 
fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma interrupter levers, and 
PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped the 
middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with a 
pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete 
except for pedals and computer.

I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal preferred, 
shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders separately. A 
build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used Atlantis 
you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders). 

*FS w/o pedals or computer. *I'd be willing to buy back the racks, fenders 
and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. Contact me 
off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:

*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280*

*The poop:*
2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). Like-new 
condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. Frame-Savered.

Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.

Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring *new* (0 miles).
Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
Front Der.: Shimano 105.
Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.

Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.

Headset: Shimano Ultegra.

Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).

Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.

Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.

Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.

Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.

Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.

Brooks B17 saddle, honey.

King bottle cages.

Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
PDW fender stay breakaways (4).

Front rack: Nitto 32F.
Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: Judder on the Hunqa

[Deacon Patrick]

Adjust the brakes.

Could be as simple as toe in, but chatter should not be happening, so 
perhaps a full adjustment at your LBS?

I ride my Hunqapillar at high speed down mountain passes (dirt and paved) 
and loaded, slow, down steeper rocky, rooty trails and have no chatter. 
Good luck getting it solved, and I look forward to hearing ride reports 
about how you and your Hunqapillar get along.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 10:23:02 AM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> I have Tektro cantilever brakes on my 58cm Hunq. The brake judder, even at 
> low to moderate speed, is so violent that the front wheel skips off the 
> ground. I would be afraid to do a fast descent. I hardly ever ride the bike 
> and that is one of the reasons why. What should I do?

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[RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Garth]

   I guess in my own way I'm saying The Absolute, Life, is not *found* "in" 
any-thing(objects or subjects) ,  The Absolute *IS* The All(inclusive), One 
Whole. Object and subject are the same One Whole. 

So if there is to called a "reference" , it would be the All-Inclusive's 
All-inclusive Self . The Whole. Inclusive of it's Infinite Distinctive 
Identities. 

Essentially . .  . * I Am that which I seek* . 

This is most Wondrous Good News ! ! ! 

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[RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Garth]

  I guess in my own way I'm saying The Absolute, Life, is not *found* "in" 
any-thing(objects or subjects) ,  The Absolute *IS* The All(inclusive), One 
Whole. Object and subject are the same One Whole. 

So if there is to called a "reference" , it would be the All-Inclusive's 
All-inclusive Self . The Whole. Inclusive of it's Infinite Distinctive 
Identities. 

Essentially . .  . * I Am that which I seek* . 

This is most Wondrous Good News ! ! !


  So . . .. carry on with this posting . . . . ;-) 

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[bo richardson]

the powdercoater company here in bellingham strips frames chemically and 
then you can have it sand or garnet blasted after that if you want. we have 
a local frame builder here too.

there is also a gentleman named Blake who will come out of his house and 
sandblast a frame in his carport for 25$.

how much money do you want to put into a beater frame you want for a 
lockuip bike? if you are going to put 100$ of shop time into aligning a 
frame
wouldnt it be cheaper and easier to pay 150-200 for a frame with better 
paint and straight, in the first place? or go with  powedercoating it and 
riding it 
for years till the alignment became a perceptable problem? not as much fun, 
to do it that way, ...

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:25:26 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
>
> So i stumbled on a 1985 trek 870 frame and fork today and came home with 
> it for 30$. lugged, 48cm chainstays, tange prestige mtb tubing, my size. i 
> was and am pretty excited. part of the reason it was 30$ is because it is 
> pretty rough aesthetically. no dents (maybe slightly from a kickstand) or 
> cracks, but many scuffs and scrapes. rust on all the bare metal, inside and 
> out.  not extreme chunky flaky rust, but an even coat throughout. i bought 
> some "metal rescue" 
> 
>  
> from home depot, with the intention of filling the tubes, flushing and then 
> framesavering. i taped up all the holes and filled the frame... but..
>
>
> *question 1-* anyone have recommendations for adequately closing up the 
> bottom bracket hole to make it water tight? i was getting an increasingly 
> leaky leak, preventing the metal rescue from sitting in the frame for the 
> several hours it takes to dissolve the rust. 
>
> while doing this, i realized that the seat stays are VERY slightly bent 
> near the canti post. im aware that this kind of thing happens with high 
> pressure, and since the bend is slight, im not too worried about it... 
> but...
>
> *question 2-*  should or could this be realligned by a frame builder? is 
> that a good option even? would one of those brake booster things prevent 
> this from getting worse? 
>
> as mentioned, the paint is very rough, so ill be having it powdercoated. 
>
> *question 3- *anyone in the Los Angeles area have a powder coater 
> recommendation? media blasting and powder coating seems to be what the 
> places around here recommend. i want to make sure that all the exterior 
> surface rust comes off and that it's done well. there seems to be a lot of 
> half assery with powder coating in my local area. 
>
> *sub question 3-* having all color options open for the repaint is almost 
> crippling. how does one decide? maybe i should just keep it the original 
> color or black. that would be less stressful. 
>
>
> here is the rivendell content: prior to owning a riv, i went through a 
> series of mid eighties treks. rebuilding them was what led me to the 
> rivendell website for parts, and eventually they all turned into poor man's 
> rivendell bikes. since then ive felt like there should be a representative 
> trek in the herd. my plan is to move the parts over from an 88 rockhopper 
> and turn this thing into a clem-like fun bike that can take the abuse of 
> bus/car racks without the clenching of teeth that occurs when my 
> hunqapillar gets scratched. 
>
> the good looking one isnt mine. 
>
> 
>  
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[drew]

Thanks for the bb closing recommendations. Both seem more thought out than what 
I did. I'll give it a go today. 
It is unlikely that I'll have it realigned. I don't really think it's that big 
of an issue, I was just wanting to make sure that it didn't need to be 
realigned. And of course, one could find a nicer/straighter frame for more 
money, but that would take away the magic of rescuing this almost free, almost 
disposed of frame. 

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[RBW] Re: Rust, Repaint options and Realignment Questions.

[Andy.M]

I recall using a couple of blocks of wood a clamp and and an old tube used 
as a gasket to seal up the BB on a rusty old frame that I pick up.  seemed 
to work okay, just make sure that the clamp is aligned well and I had the 
bike on a stand with a drip tray beneath it. 
-Andy 

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 2:05:43 AM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> I recall reading a tip on one of the de-rustificator's websites (either 
> Metal Rescue or Evapo-Rust): Soak rags or paper towels in Metal rescue, 
> wrap it around the frame (and inside the BB shell), then seal the soaked 
> rags/towels in place with plastic wrap. Unwrap after desired exposure time.
>
> If you really want to get hung-ho with it, get a kid's wading pool, lay 
> the frame on its side, immerse in Metal Rescue.
>
> Peter "rust never sleeps, so total warfare is necessary" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:25:26 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> *question 1-* anyone have recommendations for adequately closing up the 
>> bottom bracket hole to make it water tight? i was getting an increasingly 
>> leaky leak, preventing the metal rescue from sitting in the frame for the 
>> several hours it takes to dissolve the rust. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Justin August]

That's my point. Data & Experince allows you to determine preference. There is 
no best when it comes to experiences. This goes for brewing coffee, building 
buchcles and tuning car engines. The more information you have the better you 
can tailor something to your preference but that can and will be different than 
my preference. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar owner opinions and sizing recommendations

[Jason Braaten]

Thanks Kurt, I'm going to hold out for a complete, as my last build up was 
painfully slow.  :)

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[RBW] Judder on the Hunqa

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have Tektro cantilever brakes on my 58cm Hunq. The brake judder, even at low 
to moderate speed, is so violent that the front wheel skips off the ground. I 
would be afraid to do a fast descent. I hardly ever ride the bike and that is 
one of the reasons why. What should I do?

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[RBW] Re: computer analysis & steel tubing sweet spot

[Garth]

  Well Justin .  . .. all of this assumes there is a constant, a fixed 
reference point .   

There is no consensus on the origin of Life , let alone even what Life is,  
so I find it no more than our self double-talk that we could find any 
Absolute in a world of relativity .  I'm not saying it's all pointless and 
don't bother because "man" can't help themselves in trying to figure it all 
out , I'm saying the "the more information man has" , the clearer it is we 
really know nothing as man. So man goes and invents even more determinately 
to ease the sense of powerlessness. Yet the very effort to ease it only 
ends up compounding it. 

But hey  this reply and I too will be forgotten and the search will go 
on , just because . and that's alright ;-)  I know nothing as man 
either .  And this is not in any way meant to de-tour the topic, I'm just 
stating where I am coming from . 




On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 11:43:43 AM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> That's my point. Data & Experince allows you to determine preference. 
> There is no best when it comes to experiences. This goes for brewing 
> coffee, building buchcles and tuning car engines. The more information you 
> have the better you can tailor something to your preference but that can 
> and will be different than my preference. 
>
> -Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Jan Heine]

Takashi,

First of all, I apologize for butchering your name...

Please do report on further testing you do, but I totally understand that 
testing is a tedious job. I can tell you when we did the rumble strip test, 
and I had to ride 15 miles on rumble strips over the course of a morning, I 
was glad to just go for a spin the following day on comparatively smooth 
roads.

We'll consider the Furious Fred and Thunder Burts when we next test tires 
on the track with a power meter under carefully controlled conditions. 
Thank you for the suggestion.

Best,

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 1:31:05 PM UTC+2, Takashi wrote:
>
> Thank you Jan.
> I have enjoyed reading your articles in blog and BQ, and they inspired me 
> to do the test.
> As an amateur cyclist, my time to ride bike is limited, so I cannot say 
> for sure how many times I will ride the same route.
> I like to visit places I have never seen, rather than riding same route 
> over and over.
> (I'm pretty sure that most people in this group understand this 
> inclination)
> Still, I am interested in performances of tires myself, so when I do 
> further test, I will post about it.
>
> I have read in your blog (comment section maybe) that you consider Furious 
> Fred and Thunder Burt as too much off-road-oriented, but I think they were 
> very smooth and efficient on pavement.
> So I am expecting to read reviews of those tires in future issues of BQ.
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2015年9月5日土曜日 15時15分36秒 UTC+9 Jan Heine:
>>
>> Takahashi,
>>
>> That is an interesting comparison. Like you, I am surprised that our 
>> Barlow Pass tires weren't super-fast. At first, I thought about why this 
>> could be... until I realized that you did only one run with each tire. You 
>> mention that yours isn't a detailed study, and you are right. It would be 
>> erroneous to draw conclusions based on a single run, especially on a road 
>> course where so many variables can change.
>>
>> It's very important to control all the variables when testing tires. For 
>> example, at Bicycle Quarterly, we test on a track, and only when there is 
>> no wind (measured with a windspeed meter, < 0.5 m/s; but looking at trees 
>> and checking that the leaves don't move is equally precise). We also 
>> measure temperature and correct for that based on a curve we've established 
>> by measuring the same tires at different temperatures. We do at least three 
>> repeats with each setup.
>>
>> On an open-road course, you'll have many more variables that change. The 
>> way to deal with this is to do repeat runs until the variations average 
>> out. A statistical analysis helps you figure out whether you've reached 
>> that point. (Bicycle Quarterly's tests always include a statistical 
>> analysis to make sure we report actual differences between tires, rather 
>> than just "noise" in the data.)
>>
>> So I encourage you to do more test runs with at least some of the tires, 
>> and then do a statistical analysis. If you need help with that, we can 
>> help. (BQ contributor Mark Vande Kamp has a Ph.D. with a minor in 
>> statistics.)
>>
>> In the mean time, rather than looking at numbers, it may be more useful 
>> to report your impressions of riding each tire. How did they feel different 
>> on each section of your course? Which one was more fun to ride? In the end, 
>> that is what counts for most of us when we ride.
>>
>> Again, thank you for doing the testing. Please continue the experiment 
>> until you get meaningful numbers. It's of great interest to all of us how 
>> these tires perform.
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles
>> www.compasscycle.com
>>
>

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