Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Ron Mc]

electrolysis is killing hair follicles.  However, you might get enough 
galvanic difference between a brass valve stem and bare (anodize-free or 
abraded) aluminum rim to promote localized corrosion of the aluminum rim

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:04:34 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Hi Phil, same problem, causing tube failures? Can you explain the 
> electrolysis issue?
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Phil Bickford  > wrote:
>
>> Hey cyclotourist - and all
>>
>> Sorry to come in late on this.  Velocity replaced my rear rim.  
>>
>> The first time I saw it seemed to be an electrolysis issue which is how I 
>> descibed it to them. They no longer use that particular material on newer 
>> rims.  The original set were Aeroheads made in Australia.  They have 
>> replaced quite a few evidently.  They were quite nice about it.  They even 
>> offered to re-lace the wheel for me, but I was in a hurry at the time.
>>
>> Interesting theory about tube valves though. ;)
>>
>> Phil B
>> Sonoma County
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 11:54:10 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my 
>>> front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides, 
>>> almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the 
>>> garage.
>>>
>>> Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer 
>>> of Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube and 
>>> slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the 
>>> valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair. 
>>>
>>> Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a 
>>> warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have 
>>> Velocity write about me on their blog.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Ron Mc]

If you have corrosion, odds are, it has nothing todo with dissimilar 
metals.  It's because you have a place to collect gunk.  
However, you could have fretting, which is a combination of contact fatigue 
and corrosion promoted by vibration  .  



Which gets back to my o-rings being the solution.  

TX PE No. 75665


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 5:50:19 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> electrolysis is killing hair follicles.  However, you might get enough 
> galvanic difference between a brass valve stem and bare (anodize-free or 
> abraded) aluminum rim to promote localized corrosion of the aluminum rim
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:04:34 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Phil, same problem, causing tube failures? Can you explain the 
>> electrolysis issue?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Phil Bickford  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey cyclotourist - and all
>>>
>>> Sorry to come in late on this.  Velocity replaced my rear rim.  
>>>
>>> The first time I saw it seemed to be an electrolysis issue which is how 
>>> I descibed it to them. They no longer use that particular material on newer 
>>> rims.  The original set were Aeroheads made in Australia.  They have 
>>> replaced quite a few evidently.  They were quite nice about it.  They even 
>>> offered to re-lace the wheel for me, but I was in a hurry at the time.
>>>
>>> Interesting theory about tube valves though. ;)
>>>
>>> Phil B
>>> Sonoma County
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 11:54:10 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my 
 front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides, 
 almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the 
 garage.

 Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer 
 of Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube 
 and 
 slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the 
 valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair. 

 Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a 
 warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have 
 Velocity write about me on their blog.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Steve Palincsar]

Funny, according to the Wikipedia, it's a chemical process 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis   Their article on the hair 
removal process is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrology


On 09/23/2015 06:50 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
electrolysis is killing hair follicles.  However, you might get enough 
galvanic difference between a brass valve stem and bare (anodize-free 
or abraded) aluminum rim to promote localized corrosion of the 
aluminum rim


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:04:34 AM UTC-5, 
cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Phil, same problem, causing tube failures? Can you explain the
electrolysis issue?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Ron Mc]

I'm a licensed, professional metallurgist and corrosion engineer.  I earn 
my living by solving corrosion and mechanical issues for power plants, gas 
turbines and petrochemical plants.  I have an article published in the ASM 
Handbook Corrosion volume.  

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> If you have corrosion, odds are, it has nothing todo with dissimilar 
> metals.  It's because you have a place to collect gunk.  
> However, you could have fretting, which is a combination of contact 
> fatigue and corrosion promoted by vibration  .  
>
>
> 
>
> Which gets back to my o-rings being the solution.  
>
> TX PE No. 75665
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 5:50:19 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> electrolysis is killing hair follicles.  However, you might get enough 
>> galvanic difference between a brass valve stem and bare (anodize-free or 
>> abraded) aluminum rim to promote localized corrosion of the aluminum rim
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:04:34 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Phil, same problem, causing tube failures? Can you explain the 
>>> electrolysis issue?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Philip Williamson]

I noticed the assertion about plantar fasciitis, too, and went, "What? Plantar 
fasciitis isn't viral." 

Similarly, I looked up metals poisoning the other morning, and while yes, 
aluminum disrupts the function of the blood brain barrier, symptoms are only 
ever seen in people with renal (kidney) failure. Our kidneys seem to do a great 
job of scrubbing aluminum out of our bodies. 

Aluminum doesn't seem to be present in cigarette smoke, but other metals are. 
Not enough to scare me, especially compared to breathing in smoke.

Thanks for the interesting conversation! I'm now much less concerned about 
ingesting aluminum, and more appreciative of my kidneys.

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: C in October

[Jeff Lesperance]

I'll plan to meetup in Bethesda - I'll be rolling in from Silver Spring as
well, so possibly see you on the way to Bethesda. Unless something else
comes up, I'm planning on doing this as an s24o.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> See you then!  My plan is to ride up to Bethesda from Alexandria and be at
> the bagel place at 0830..  if anyone is interested in meeting up on that
> connector bit hit me up off-list and we can figure out a rendezvous.  I'll
> be riding Tues, camping and then returning to Alexandria on Weds.
>
> I'm excited to meet Chris and hopefully some other lister's from the DC
> area I haven't met so far.  This'll be my first bike camping experience so
> I'm glad to be doing it with such a good crew!
>
> Thanks Chris for setting this up!
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[RBW] Re: C in October

[Philip Kim]

This sounds like a great trip! I wish I could join, but I will be in 
Wyoming until the 13th.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 10:40:18 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> Okay locals, I've coordinated with my family, factored in our constraints, 
> and even exchanged a couple of emails with Tony DeFilippo to get some tips. 
>  Here is our plan for the C tour "rolling start" for any who wish to 
> simply say "hi", ride with us a while, our ride with us all the way to 
> Cumberland.
>
> Our start date is Tuesday, October 6.
>
> Our train that includes friend (Steve Butcher), son-in-law (Carey Jones), 
> and me will depart out of Silver Spring, MD.  We'll make two stops to meet 
> up with folks.  The first stop will be in Bethesda.  We will meet up at 
> 0830 at Bethesda Bagels (http://www.bethesdabagels.com/) and plan to roll 
> out by 0915.  That allows us to reach our next stop at Fletchers Boathouse 
> (C rendezvous) by 0945ish.  From there we'll head north on the C for a 
> few days.  For any who might be joining us for part of the way, we plan to 
> lunch in Leesburg that Tuesday, and camp the first night at the Indian 
> Flats hiker/biker site at approx. mile 42.
>
> I believe Tony is planning to join us for the first day and overnight.  I 
> recall that Rusty, Erl, Jeff, Kellie, and Minh have all expressed interest 
> in some level of participation.  I hope to meet several of you on this 
> trip...and thanks again to everyone who offered planning help!
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Well, I've got a pair of Switchback Hills mounted on my Saluki (admittedly, 
without fenders), and they fit fine.  I even gave some thought to trying to jam 
some fenders in there, but concluded that discretion was the better part of 
valor, and all that…

I can measure them tonight, but I think they're stretched to just about just 
about 49mm on 23mm rims.  The EL version.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zach Duval
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:36 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

I THINK that they could fit on a Hillborne, but I don't want to be the guinea 
pig...

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 09/22/2015 09:58 AM, C.J. Filip wrote:
> Unfortunately the Hetre/Babyshoe are as wide the Saluki will take.
>  Still, excited to slap a pair on the Stag!
>

The Saluki was designed back when 38mm was the widest 650B available.
Hetres only just fit.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

Kidneys: so good for you, we were made with two.



On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
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>  I'm now much less concerned about ingesting aluminum, and more 
> appreciative of my kidneys.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[jeffrey kane]

Pudge: that's an easy one. If your Saluki (like my 54) can take Hetres and 
fenders then for sure it can take a 48mm tire without fenders … all Salukis 
should, in theory, anyway.

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:32 PM 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48) 
>
>
>
> On 09/22/2015 09:58 AM, C.J. Filip wrote: 
> > Unfortunately the Hetre/Babyshoe are as wide the Saluki will take. 
> >  Still, excited to slap a pair on the Stag! 
> > 
>
> The Saluki was designed back when 38mm was the widest 650B available.   
> Hetres only just fit. 
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[RBW] FS: pedals, f and r derailleurs; saddle

[Chad]

I'm interested in that mirage if it isn't already spoken for.  I'll DM you when 
I get a chance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Don,

I converted my Ram to 650b.  It easily takes 42 mm tires with fenders.  The
Roadeo has a lower BB than the Ram, so I would not convert that.

Toshi


On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Tim,
> Many Riv's built for 700c wheels have fairly low bottom brackets. How does
> that work with going to 650 rims?
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've
>> modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.
>>
>> Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I
>> prefer riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put
>> fenders on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).
>>
>> So, I:
>> converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
>> added full fenders
>> added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
>> added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps
>> and fork adapters to fit)
>> mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
>> built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake
>> light)
>> and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset
>> spacer bell, phone mount, etc).
>>
>> Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.
>>
>> I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in
>> my stable as a light tourer.
>>
>> I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours,
>> etc.
>>
>> In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's
>> for sale.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork
>>> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork.
>>>
>>> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast
>>> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind
>>> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something
>>> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was
 beefier than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up the 
Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks.  What's 
different about my combo (he wondered)?

-Original Message-
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)



On 09/22/2015 09:58 AM, C.J. Filip wrote:
> Unfortunately the Hetre/Babyshoe are as wide the Saluki will take. 
>  Still, excited to slap a pair on the Stag!
>

The Saluki was designed back when 38mm was the widest 650B available.  
Hetres only just fit.

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RE: [RBW] Bike hacks.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Yup, thx

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Tom did you see them on the list, looks like he put it directly in a thread.

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These are all great!  Thanks for sharing Clayton.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

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The early Salukis won't fit much more than the Fatty Rumpkin or Hetre. The 
later runs with the kickstand plates will take a larger tire but by that 
time the 60 and 62 sizes were discontinued. 
- Frank

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:23:30 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Pudge: that's an easy one. If your Saluki (like my 54) can take Hetres and 
> fenders then for sure it can take a 48mm tire without fenders … all Salukis 
> should, in theory, anyway.
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
>> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:32 PM 
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48) 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/22/2015 09:58 AM, C.J. Filip wrote: 
>> > Unfortunately the Hetre/Babyshoe are as wide the Saluki will take. 
>> >  Still, excited to slap a pair on the Stag! 
>> > 
>>
>> The Saluki was designed back when 38mm was the widest 650B available.   
>> Hetres only just fit. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Bill Lindsay]

As much as some of us like to generalize, there are some details of various 
Rivendell models that evolved over time.  

If one of you forced $3500 into my greedy hands today and forced me to 
order a custom Rivendell right now, I might choose a bike that has sloping 
(single) TT like a Hillborne, has the lightest tubing Grant is comfortable 
with like a Roadeo or Legolas, has cantilever brakes and is built around 
the Switchback Hill tires plus fenders.  It would have a low BB like a road 
bike.  

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Tim Gavin]

Don-

The BB is crazy low now.

My Riv Road has 80 mm of BB drop, and my conversion from 700 x 25 to 650 x
38 dropped it another 6 mm.

I use 170 mm cranks and I still need to be careful not to pedal in turns,
and to keep my pedals level when off-roading.

However, the very low BB gives the bike great handling and a low stepover.
Not a bad trade-off, especially with my overwhelming preference for the 650
x 38 tires.

Tim

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Tim,
> Many Riv's built for 700c wheels have fairly low bottom brackets. How does
> that work with going to 650 rims?
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've
>> modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.
>>
>> Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I
>> prefer riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put
>> fenders on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).
>>
>> So, I:
>> converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
>> added full fenders
>> added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
>> added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps
>> and fork adapters to fit)
>> mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
>> built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake
>> light)
>> and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset
>> spacer bell, phone mount, etc).
>>
>> Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.
>>
>> I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in
>> my stable as a light tourer.
>>
>> I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours,
>> etc.
>>
>> In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's
>> for sale.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork
>>> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork.
>>>
>>> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast
>>> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind
>>> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something
>>> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was
 beefier than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Kieran J]

Pics! Pics!


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

If I had $7000 going begging, we might both be riding that bike!

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:36 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

As much as some of us like to generalize, there are some details of various 
Rivendell models that evolved over time.

If one of you forced $3500 into my greedy hands today and forced me to order a 
custom Rivendell right now, I might choose a bike that has sloping (single) TT 
like a Hillborne, has the lightest tubing Grant is comfortable with like a 
Roadeo or Legolas, has cantilever brakes and is built around the Switchback 
Hill tires plus fenders.  It would have a low BB like a road bike.

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up the 
Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks.  What's 
different about my combo (he wondered)?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I'll take some tonight.

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

Pics! Pics!


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up the 
Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks.  What's 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

Hi Phil, same problem, causing tube failures? Can you explain the
electrolysis issue?

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Phil Bickford  wrote:

> Hey cyclotourist - and all
>
> Sorry to come in late on this.  Velocity replaced my rear rim.
>
> The first time I saw it seemed to be an electrolysis issue which is how I
> descibed it to them. They no longer use that particular material on newer
> rims.  The original set were Aeroheads made in Australia.  They have
> replaced quite a few evidently.  They were quite nice about it.  They even
> offered to re-lace the wheel for me, but I was in a hurry at the time.
>
> Interesting theory about tube valves though. ;)
>
> Phil B
> Sonoma County
>
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 11:54:10 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my
>> front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides,
>> almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the
>> garage.
>>
>> Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer of
>> Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube and
>> slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the
>> valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair.
>>
>> Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a
>> warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have
>> Velocity write about me on their blog.
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[RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Phil Bickford]

Hey cyclotourist - and all

Sorry to come in late on this.  Velocity replaced my rear rim.  

The first time I saw it seemed to be an electrolysis issue which is how I 
descibed it to them. They no longer use that particular material on newer 
rims.  The original set were Aeroheads made in Australia.  They have 
replaced quite a few evidently.  They were quite nice about it.  They even 
offered to re-lace the wheel for me, but I was in a hurry at the time.

Interesting theory about tube valves though. ;)

Phil B
Sonoma County


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wrote:
>
> Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my 
> front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides, 
> almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the 
> garage.
>
> Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer of 
> Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube and 
> slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the 
> valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair. 
>
> Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a 
> warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have 
> Velocity write about me on their blog.
>
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>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Zach Duval]

I'll settle for my Hillborne running Switchbacks, eventually. It'll be 
awhile before I can splurge on a new tire set, but I've definitely made my 
mind up that they are pretty darn close to ideal for the riding I do (20ish 
miles on pavement to large swathes of fireroads as well as some 
singletrack, pushing the bike to its limits for the latter until I can 
afford a Hunqa MTB).

Fenders will probably be going on again soon anyway, so I'll have to settle 
for 38s through the wet season. When I do eventually get the Switchbacks, 
I'll post ride reports for sure.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:37:44 PM UTC-6, Zach Duval wrote:

> Has anyone mounted these tires? These seem to be dream tires for my 
> Hillborne, but I've not yet had a pair of Compass tires, and so I'd like 
> some clarification as to fit. I've read that they may grow 2-3mm after 
> settling in?
>
> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Zach
> Kalispell, MT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[David Banzer]

You're nearly describing how my Redwood is set up right now - 650b 
conversion with room for Vee Rubber Speedsters (47mm actual), crossing 
fingers that Switchbacks will fit (chainstay width issue only) - there is 
definitely room for fenders. Top tube doesn't slope like a Hillborne though 
and brakes are Tektro long reach calipers. The tubing is on the lighter 
side, road bike design, low BB (well, maybe too low with 77mm drop).
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 1:36:23 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As much as some of us like to generalize, there are some details of 
> various Rivendell models that evolved over time.  
>
> If one of you forced $3500 into my greedy hands today and forced me to 
> order a custom Rivendell right now, I might choose a bike that has sloping 
> (single) TT like a Hillborne, has the lightest tubing Grant is comfortable 
> with like a Roadeo or Legolas, has cantilever brakes and is built around 
> the Switchback Hill tires plus fenders.  It would have a low BB like a road 
> bike.  
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
>> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Edwin W]

Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I got some 
schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son. 
Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have reinforcement in 
that area. 
Him: how much are they?
Me: expensive. 8 bucks. 
Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
Me: 5. 
Him: sounds worth it. 
Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!

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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

They're on my list!

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I got
> some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
> Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have reinforcement
> in that area.
> Him: how much are they?
> Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
> Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
> Me: 5.
> Him: sounds worth it.
> Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!
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[RBW] FS: Tires & Wald Basket

[Mike OShea]

*FS: Tires & Wald Basket*
Pair Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS 420 tires 700cx 38 less than 25 miles 
use. Included free with tires medium Wald Wire Basket. Like new condition.
$60.00 Free shipping CON US Paypal preferred. Please contact off list. 

Thanks,

Mike
Bozeman, MT.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Bill,
May of 1974 at the NCAA tournament, I was fortunate to be partnered with 
Peter Jacobsen in the North-South matches the day before the tournament 
began. It was best ball ( 4 ball ) and we kicked the other team's ass.I 
didn't help much.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Holy CRAP!  Don Compton was all-conference in a year where both Peter 
> Jacobsen (Oregon) and Craig Stadler (USC) competed in the conference. 
>  That's no freaking joke.  Hat's off (and Go Bears!)
>
> Bill class-of-1991-and-1999-and-2001 Lindsay
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
> rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and 
> floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm 
> below my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less 
> hands problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
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>>>
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[RBW] FS: 1989 Rockhopper. 19.5in. f/f/wheels/extras

[drew]

having to move somewhat quickly and need to abandon this bike.  it's an 89 
rockhopper in very good condition in a nice color way.  selling it as frame 
and fork with bb, wheels, headset, stem, seatpost, brakes and matching 
bottle cages. can include some cheapo brake levers tires and seat too. the 
specialized catalogue makes no distinction between this frame and the 
stumpjumper frame of 1989. same specs and tubing. a few light scuffs and 
touch ups, but very clean. no dents, dings, rust. etc.  wheels are araya 
somethingorother.  

looking for 150$ to a local buyer near los angeles. 






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