Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone used this Look-to-SPD adaptor? Are they any good? Do the cleats hold up well?

[Patrick Moore]

Wait a minute: the Wellgo special spd cleats look much like the Shimano SH
71 cleats. Yes? No?

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:

> Customer reviews of SPD to Crank Brothers isn't really a fair comparison.
> Shimano-style SPD mountain pedals are used by orders of magnitude more
> riders than Crank Brothers, so it's logical that SPD would have more
> advocates. In courts of public opinion, the majority opinion usually wins,
> even if it's silly.
>
> The two different Look adapter sets (Wellgo RC8
> , Crank Brothers
> 3-hole cleat )
> include both 3-hole adapters and cleats, but they cleat to entirely
> different pedals. You choose the adapter system to mate to your preferred
> pedals. The Crank Brothers adapters can fit SPD cleats, but the Wellgo SPD
> adapters don't look like they'll accept Crank Brothers cleats - or Time
> ATAC cleats, or Speedplay cleats, or Bebop cleats, all of which have larger
> bases than SPD. The Wellgo adapters look like they're molded to fit SPD
> adapters, and nothing else. Actually, it looks like they've disassembled
> the regular Shimano SPD cleat into two parts (the brass horizontal bar and
> the underlying silver top/bottom lobes). If that's true, then that's
> super-awful; it means that you won't be able to buy regular SPD replacement
> clets, but you'll have to buy special weirdo cleats from Wellgo - which
> will be available only for as long as Wellgo chooses to make them
> available. Ecch.
>
> I'd really like to be wrong about that, if only because forcing people to
> buy replacement parts from a single manufacturer is a generally bad thing.
> In Wellgo's case, it would be a case of spending extra money to lock people
> into the replacement chain; Wellgo already makes standard SPD cleats (98A)
> , so the expense of
> making an nearly-identical cleat seems pretty wasteful.
>
> The Crank Brothers adapters are a sort of nylon. I've been a CB rider for
> years, and I hoard the discontinued Quattro road pedals (for which the
> 3-hole Look adapters were originally designed). Since CB uses the same
> cleat for both mountain and road pedals, I normally ride the Quattro pedals
> on my daily rider with mountain shoes, just because they're easier for
> walking around. I've got a set of road shoes with adapter-ized cleats, but
> they don't get a lot of use; like other bulky road cleats (Look, Time,
> SPD-SL), I wouldn't want to duck-walk around in them, for fear of slipping
> and breaking my butt-bone.
>
> From the Amazon photo, the Wellgo adapters look to be metal, but they
> don't say. Wellgo is a Taiwanese OEM company, and their English site has no
> information about the RC8 at all, aside from the image. Obviously, if
> they're metal, they'll last longer; but who knows?
>
> If what you need is a 3-hole shoe-to-2-hole cleat adapter *without* the
> cleat, Sidi has one:
>
>
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=SPD+Adapter+Plate&vendorCode=SIDI&major=5&minor=7
>
> I don't think this is really a "which adapter is better?" question; I
> think this is really a "which cleated pedal system is better?" question.
> That's a very individual question, which is hard to answer except by direct
> experiment. My own first attempt with cleated pedals was with the
> double-sided platform+SPD system that (if memory recalls) was from Wellgo;
> they were cheapies from Nashbar about seven years back. I could never get
> used to them; I never mastered the technique of cleating in and out. I'd
> think I was cleated in and then my leg would fly out; I'd think I was
> cleated out, and I'd fall down with the bike on top of me.
>
> Crank Brothers were comparatively easy for me; cleating in and out was a
> breeze. I now ride CB (older Candys and discontinued Quattros) on all my
> cleated bikes. I like the little bit of float they give me; I like the
> adjustable disconnect angle; I like the fact that I can use the same cleats
> on both road and mountain pedals. But that's just my own preference; YMMV.
>
> My recommendation for anyone who wants to try cleated shoes/pedals, either
> for the first time or on a daily around-town bike, is to try SPD mountain
> shoes/pedals first. Since they're Shimano, they're more widespread than
> other systems; accordingly, they're widely copied (hello Wellgo and
> Ritchey!) and cheaper. If SPDs don't work for you, figure out why they
> don't work, and try another system that sounds like it addresses your
> problem.
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Wellgo-Cycling-Shimano-Adapter-Cleats/dp/B00E7UZHB6
>>
>> I see Crank Bros has a different type of adaptor, but the Wellgoes get
>> better reviews.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

FYI, Schwalbe tubes are on sale here:
http://www.cyclocamping.com/proddetail.asp?prod=10410313%2F10426343

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:50 AM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> I had both a piece of Volx as well as a bit of cut up tube on mine this
> last time. Didn't help... :-(
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> I had an extra piece of velox rim tape on there. This time I took that
>> off and slid an extra piece of tube over the valve.
>>
>> I will test it out this weekend. Might consider a little duct tape, too.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:13:21 AM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been very happy with my tubeless Babyshoe Pass tires. See my post
>>> on this list. If you stick with tubes, try duct tape. You could reinforce
>>> the rim hole or the valve stem. Remember...if you can't fix it, duck it!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:11:21 PM UTC-7,
>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 They're on my list!

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I
> got some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
> Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have
> reinforcement in that area.
> Him: how much are they?
> Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
> Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
> Me: 5.
> Him: sounds worth it.
> Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!
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Re: [RBW] C&O in October

[Pondero]

Rusty, congrats on the first grandchild!  I spite of what you people might 
think, my biggest motivation for traveling to DC is my first grandchild born in 
February.  All my best to your family, and I hope to meet you somehow.

Pudge, great news!  We should have a nice little band of lugged steel geeks 
assembled.

Since I'm such a solo rider, I'll not know how to behave.  I am awkwardly 
excited.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] WTB: 57cm AHH frameset

[mikel66...@juno.com]

looking to buy a frame set or have possible trade bait:

57 Heron Tourer, 2cd generation
58cm Atlantis
58 Heron Road
59cm Roadeo

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

Want to place your ad here?
Advertise on United Online
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5604a86b8519b286b59a3st03duc

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[RBW] FS: Black Sheep Ti Fat Fork with Bontrager Jackalope Wheel & Hodag Tire

[Anne]

*Black Sheep Ti Fat Fork with Bontrager Jackalope Wheel & Hodag Tire *

Great upgrade to your current fattie OR have some fun with your regular 
mountain bike (straight 1 1/8" head tube OR OS head tube will work with 
this fork)

Black Sheep ti fork accommodates 135QR front hub, plenty of steerer tube to 
fit any bike (224mm or 8 13/16" if you prefer). 

The fork is 440mm AC and 55mm offset. The axle to crown essentially a 
midpoint between non-suspension corrected 29er and a 80mm travel fork. Have 
used it on both a 29er built for a 100 travel and a 27.5 built for 100 
travel. Undetectable change other than the plush ride of the ti fork and 
the added cushion and velcro-like hook-up of the light front wheel. Great 
addition to any rigid non-fat bike (think Surly Krampus only lighter). New 
forks from Black Sheep start at $700 and have a long wait. 

The fork has an 1.5 King baseplate for an OS or tapered head tube (or can 
be swapped to an 1 1/8 one if you have an 1 1/8" headtube) and an adaptor 
for post mount 160 rotor brake. With the star nut, brake adaptor and base 
plate the fork is 850g. The Hodag tire mounts up tubeless super easy on the 
Jackalope wheel. Nice light combination! The wheel with tape and valve is 
1290g, 75 internal width. The Hodag tire is 1190g, 3.8 inches wide and 
measures closer to 4 inches. Wheel and tire are the absolute easiest to get 
set tubeless of any tire/rim combo I've dealt with. Amazing! Get a front 
wheel that closes the gap from your current beast and the  HED carbon 
wonder wheel. This wheel set up tubeless in one quick snap and doesn't need 
mega cups of sealant dumped in it. 

Half dozen rides on it (less than 50 miles total), the nubbins are still on 
the tire. 

Plenty of details on the wheel/tire in the review on mtbr  
http://reviews.mtbr.com/review-bontrager-hodag-tire-and-jackalope-wheels-fat-bike-tubeless-system

Message me for complete photo set.

Options follow, shipping is additional (please PM zip for accurate shipping 
cost). 

Package price for wheel, tire and ti fork,rotor: $695

Above but w/o tire $650

Fork only $495

Wheel with tire & rotor $300 

Wheel (bare w/o tire or rotor) $250 


Thanks for looking,

Anne






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[RBW] Re: FS: Jeff Jones Titanium Diamond Frame with Ti Truss Fork (complete bike)

[Anne]

Sold pending successful transfer of funds.

Thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Hi, all.

Well, I'm no longer hopeful. Now I see several of the "still available" (i. e. 
still on the website) are in fact almost gone. That leads me to conclude the 
MUSA line is heading for "hiatus" at least, as RBW indicated earlier. I'm glad 
I have at least one pair of knickers that fit. For long pants I shall make do 
with my XXL pants I guess.

Are there actual alternatives out there?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Compass Stampede Pass 700x32 standard tires for sale

[Bruce Smitham]

I'll take them. Bruce in San Diego 310-968-6910
On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 5:28:28 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> I've got a set of Compass Stampede Pass 700x32  "standard" tires that have 
> been ridden twice (70 miles total). I'd like to sell them so I can buy some 
> Jack Browns (my favorites). 
> 
> 
> How about $50 shipped?

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[RBW] Compass Stampede Pass 700x32 standard tires for sale

[john]

I've got a set of Compass Stampede Pass 700x32  "standard" tires that have 
been ridden twice (70 miles total). I'd like to sell them so I can buy some 
Jack Browns (my favorites). 

How about $50 shipped?

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[RBW] What is the best place to buy Pro 5 Vis 52 outer rings?

[Patrick Moore]

I know the usual places; does anyone have a secret source where they are
cheap? Need not be single ring-type.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[John Phillips]

I sure hope they bring back the MUSA knickers. Otherwise, my only choice is 
to stop losing weight.

This is depressing. I live in my MUSA knickers & MUSA shorts...oh well.

John

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-7, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> In a heartbeat, I would buy a couple of pairs of MUSA pants.  Hope others 
> who might be interested will say so and perhaps Riv will respond by 
> offering them again.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:30:22 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
>> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
>> in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>> see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Selle Anatomical X saddle black

[Don Compton]

Hugh,
Sorry I didn't receive any notification. Anyway I still have the saddle.
Don

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 3:32:27 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> I've responded to your post regarding the Selle Anatomica X saddle. Still 
> no word back?
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Sep 17, 2015 9:21 PM, "Don Compton" > 
> wrote:
>
>> I have one in great shape. $70 plus shipping
>>
>> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 5:26:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> As the post says looking for the above saddle in black. Figured I'd see 
>>> if anyone has one they're not using before I spring for a new one. 
>>>
>>> Tail Winds, 
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Steve Cole]

In a heartbeat, I would buy a couple of pairs of MUSA pants.  Hope others 
who might be interested will say so and perhaps Riv will respond by 
offering them again.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:30:22 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
> in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
> see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: 'tines are comin'!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I just looked it up on the Schwalbe site -- it's called the Big One, and it's 
spec'd at 584 X 60mm.  But the website says it's "new for 2016", and it's not 
on the North American Schwalbe retail site yet.  Here's the description:

"Son of the Beach.

The inspiration for this cannonball belongs to our Dutch neighbors. In winter, 
their passion for MTB competitions moves on to the beach. We wanted to create 
“only” the fastest tires for beach racing. Huge volume. Minimal profile. 
Minimum weight. In addition the latest Tubeless Easy technology. The result is 
a tire with the lowest rolling resistance we have ever created."

Sounds pretty cool.  Sounds like it's not going to be available in time for 
Christmas (my deadline).


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Subject: [RBW] Re: 'tines are comin'!

Someone (was it Garth?) posted a link to a new 584 × 60 mm Schwalbe that 
doesn't have any puncture protection. I think I'll give them a try, although 
the new compass tyres are tempting too. I can't remember the name of the 
Schwalbe model, my brain is saying 'big one' but that's too awful even for 
them... Anyway I'm hoping it's like the 622 super moto, which I really like.

What are you thinking for rims? I've been looking for wide-ish 584 rims for 
'normal' brakes but I haven't turned up a lot.

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[RBW] Re: 'tines are comin'!

[Tom Harrop]

Someone (was it Garth?) posted a link to a new 584 × 60 mm Schwalbe that 
doesn't have any puncture protection. I think I'll give them a try, although 
the new compass tyres are tempting too. I can't remember the name of the 
Schwalbe model, my brain is saying 'big one' but that's too awful even for 
them... Anyway I'm hoping it's like the 622 super moto, which I really like.

What are you thinking for rims? I've been looking for wide-ish 584 rims for 
'normal' brakes but I haven't turned up a lot.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Waiting patiently for another (as yet unimagined) project…

Of course, they might go back on the Saluki if the Retroshifters don't pan out.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

Hmm...so what did you end up doing with those TRP gum leverswhich I think 
are really comfortable and work really well?

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
Unclear whether the request is for pics of the clearance with the Switchbacks, 
or of the new coupled Saluki build, so a couple of each are below.

Here's the build – it just needs the bars taped.  I think I'm going to try a 
harlequin wrap again (the emotional pain from my first botched attempt seems to 
have receded with time).  I've been working to get this shaken down before 
Pondero's C&O ride beginning October 6.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21667784655/in/dateposted-public/

The shifters are a little unusual – Retroshift combo shifters and levers, with 
the shifters mounted in front of the hoods above the levers.  I haven't ridden 
with them yet, but I thought they looked interesting to try.  Pic here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21676945261/in/dateposted-public/

Here's the best I could get of the fork clearance:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21480950709/in/dateposted-public/

Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on 
Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously 
reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)

Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/

Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of any 
kind.

Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham

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[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kieran J
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:36 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

Pics! Pics!


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up the 
Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks.  What's 
different about my combo (he wondered)?
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[RBW] Re: 'tines are comin'!

[Deacon Patrick]

Compass's new fatty for 650b? EL if you really love her? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 3:14:39 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>
> Alternatively, what other tires are out there in fat, cushy, non-knobby 
> 650B – fatter the better, given the Clementine's ample clearances?  
> Ideas/suggestions?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I see a crack of light between rubber and metal.  Isn't that all you need?
:)

Toshi

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Might be the angle – I know that I'm more willing to accept tight
> tolerances than many, and my comment was intended to take others' desires
> for more generous clearance into account.  But it's true that I think tight
> clearances ought to be more acceptable in the absence of fenders, and their
> tendency to scoop up potential jammer-sticks, etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Minh
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:20 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
>
> Quite-tight for you would be unacceptable for most.  Maybe it's the angle
> but that looks tighter than your atlantis :)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 12:30:38 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>
>
> Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on
> Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously
> reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)
>
>
>
> Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
>
> Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of
> any kind.
>
>
>
> Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Ryan Fleming]

Hmm...so what did you end up doing with those TRP gum leverswhich I 
think are really comfortable and work really well?

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Unclear whether the request is for pics of the clearance with the 
> Switchbacks, or of the new coupled Saluki build, so a couple of each are 
> below.
>
>  
>
> Here's the build – it just needs the bars taped.  I think I'm going to try 
> a harlequin wrap again (the emotional pain from my first botched attempt 
> seems to have receded with time).  I've been working to get this shaken 
> down before Pondero's C&O ride beginning October 6.
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21667784655/in/dateposted-public/
>
>  
>
> The shifters are a little unusual – Retroshift combo shifters and levers, 
> with the shifters mounted in front of the hoods above the levers.  I 
> haven't ridden with them yet, but I thought they looked interesting to 
> try.  Pic here:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21676945261/in/dateposted-public/
>
>  
>
> Here's the best I could get of the fork clearance:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21480950709/in/dateposted-public/
>
>  
>
> Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on 
> Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously 
> reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)
>
>  
>
> Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/
>
>  
>
> Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of 
> any kind.
>
>  
>
> Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Kieran J
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:36 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)
>
>  
>
> Pics! Pics!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up 
> the Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks. 
>  What's different about my combo (he wondered)? 
>
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[RBW] 'tines are comin'!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Which means I have to start moving up on collecting the parts to build up my 
Turquoise frame for my wife.  Has anybody ridden the (relatively) new 48mm 650B 
Big Bens that Riv sells?  Reports?

Alternatively, what other tires are out there in fat, cushy, non-knobby 650B - 
fatter the better, given the Clementine's ample clearances?  Ideas/suggestions?

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RE: [RBW] Re: C&O in October

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

OK, clear to join!

Here's my plan, Chris.  I'll take the train down to DC Monday night and have 
dinner with #3 son.  I'll meet up with you guys at Fletchers Boathouse (I'll 
plan to get there before 9 on Tuesday the 6th, to minimize the risk of missing 
the "train").I'll camp with the crew at Indian Flats on Tuesday night.  My 
hope is to leave my tent, etc. at the campsite on Wednesday morning, ride with 
you as far as Harper's Ferry, then peel off and spend a few hours poking around 
the historical sites there before returning to Indian Flats Wednesday night.  
Up early Thursday, return to DC, and train back to Wilmington.

Anybody have an assessment of risk of leaving tent, bag and pad at the campsite 
for the day?

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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:40 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: C&O in October

Okay locals, I've coordinated with my family, factored in our constraints, and 
even exchanged a couple of emails with Tony DeFilippo to get some tips.  Here 
is our plan for the C&O tour "rolling start" for any who wish to simply say 
"hi", ride with us a while, our ride with us all the way to Cumberland.

Our start date is Tuesday, October 6.

Our train that includes friend (Steve Butcher), son-in-law (Carey Jones), and 
me will depart out of Silver Spring, MD.  We'll make two stops to meet up with 
folks.  The first stop will be in Bethesda.  We will meet up at 0830 at 
Bethesda Bagels (http://www.bethesdabagels.com/) and plan to roll out by 0915.  
That allows us to reach our next stop at Fletchers Boathouse (C&O rendezvous) 
by 0945ish.  From there we'll head north on the C&O for a few days.  For any 
who might be joining us for part of the way, we plan to lunch in Leesburg that 
Tuesday, and camp the first night at the Indian Flats hiker/biker site at 
approx. mile 42.

I believe Tony is planning to join us for the first day and overnight.  I 
recall that Rusty, Erl, Jeff, Kellie, and Minh have all expressed interest in 
some level of participation.  I hope to meet several of you on this trip...and 
thanks again to everyone who offered planning help!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Hillborne at Interbike

[David Person]

Just saw this on the Bicycle Times website.  The caption highlighted the 
Brooks panniers, but the bike is what caught my eye.  The sixth picture 
when scrolling from the start.

http://bicycletimesmag.com/shop-window-interbike-2015-wrap-up/

David

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Re: [RBW] C&O in October

[Dale Click]

I’m waiting for my daughter-in-law to deliver first grandchild!  Should be 
soon, and I will contact off list with my plans to join when I have a moment to 
plan…wh

Rusty
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Pondero  wrote:
> 
> Okay locals, I've coordinated with my family, factored in our constraints, 
> and even exchanged a couple of emails with Tony DeFilippo to get some tips.  
> Here is our plan for the C&O tour "rolling start" for any who wish to simply 
> say "hi", ride with us a while, our ride with us all the way to Cumberland.
> 
> Our start date is Tuesday, October 6.
> 
> Our train that includes friend (Steve Butcher), son-in-law (Carey Jones), and 
> me will depart out of Silver Spring, MD.  We'll make two stops to meet up 
> with folks.  The first stop will be in Bethesda.  We will meet up at 0830 at 
> Bethesda Bagels (http://www.bethesdabagels.com/ 
> ) and plan to roll out by 0915.  That allows 
> us to reach our next stop at Fletchers Boathouse (C&O rendezvous) by 0945ish. 
>  From there we'll head north on the C&O for a few days.  For any who might be 
> joining us for part of the way, we plan to lunch in Leesburg that Tuesday, 
> and camp the first night at the Indian Flats hiker/biker site at approx. mile 
> 42.
> 
> I believe Tony is planning to join us for the first day and overnight.  I 
> recall that Rusty, Erl, Jeff, Kellie, and Minh have all expressed interest in 
> some level of participation.  I hope to meet several of you on this 
> trip...and thanks again to everyone who offered planning help!
> 
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone used this Look-to-SPD adaptor? Are they any good? Do the cleats hold up well?

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't look closely enough to see that the CB's adaptor is for CB's
cleats. (Perhaps that should be "CBs'.")

If the Wellgos don't accept standard Shimano cleats, forget them.

Has anyone used the Sidis? Do they raise the shoe hugely?

I have a pair of Sidi road shoes that are comfortable, and I'd like to
adapt them to the new Ritchey road SPD pedals.

As for SPDs, Wellgo, Onza, Ritchey, etc: my own experience is that Shimano
cleat/pedal combination insert and extract better.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:

> Customer reviews of SPD to Crank Brothers isn't really a fair comparison.
> Shimano-style SPD mountain pedals are used by orders of magnitude more
> riders than Crank Brothers, so it's logical that SPD would have more
> advocates. In courts of public opinion, the majority opinion usually wins,
> even if it's silly.
>
> The two different Look adapter sets (Wellgo RC8
> , Crank Brothers
> 3-hole cleat )
> include both 3-hole adapters and cleats, but they cleat to entirely
> different pedals. You choose the adapter system to mate to your preferred
> pedals. The Crank Brothers adapters can fit SPD cleats, but the Wellgo SPD
> adapters don't look like they'll accept Crank Brothers cleats - or Time
> ATAC cleats, or Speedplay cleats, or Bebop cleats, all of which have larger
> bases than SPD. The Wellgo adapters look like they're molded to fit SPD
> adapters, and nothing else. Actually, it looks like they've disassembled
> the regular Shimano SPD cleat into two parts (the brass horizontal bar and
> the underlying silver top/bottom lobes). If that's true, then that's
> super-awful; it means that you won't be able to buy regular SPD replacement
> clets, but you'll have to buy special weirdo cleats from Wellgo - which
> will be available only for as long as Wellgo chooses to make them
> available. Ecch.
>
> I'd really like to be wrong about that, if only because forcing people to
> buy replacement parts from a single manufacturer is a generally bad thing.
> In Wellgo's case, it would be a case of spending extra money to lock people
> into the replacement chain; Wellgo already makes standard SPD cleats (98A)
> , so the expense of
> making an nearly-identical cleat seems pretty wasteful.
>
> The Crank Brothers adapters are a sort of nylon. I've been a CB rider for
> years, and I hoard the discontinued Quattro road pedals (for which the
> 3-hole Look adapters were originally designed). Since CB uses the same
> cleat for both mountain and road pedals, I normally ride the Quattro pedals
> on my daily rider with mountain shoes, just because they're easier for
> walking around. I've got a set of road shoes with adapter-ized cleats, but
> they don't get a lot of use; like other bulky road cleats (Look, Time,
> SPD-SL), I wouldn't want to duck-walk around in them, for fear of slipping
> and breaking my butt-bone.
>
> From the Amazon photo, the Wellgo adapters look to be metal, but they
> don't say. Wellgo is a Taiwanese OEM company, and their English site has no
> information about the RC8 at all, aside from the image. Obviously, if
> they're metal, they'll last longer; but who knows?
>
> If what you need is a 3-hole shoe-to-2-hole cleat adapter *without* the
> cleat, Sidi has one:
>
>
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=SPD+Adapter+Plate&vendorCode=SIDI&major=5&minor=7
>
> I don't think this is really a "which adapter is better?" question; I
> think this is really a "which cleated pedal system is better?" question.
> That's a very individual question, which is hard to answer except by direct
> experiment. My own first attempt with cleated pedals was with the
> double-sided platform+SPD system that (if memory recalls) was from Wellgo;
> they were cheapies from Nashbar about seven years back. I could never get
> used to them; I never mastered the technique of cleating in and out. I'd
> think I was cleated in and then my leg would fly out; I'd think I was
> cleated out, and I'd fall down with the bike on top of me.
>
> Crank Brothers were comparatively easy for me; cleating in and out was a
> breeze. I now ride CB (older Candys and discontinued Quattros) on all my
> cleated bikes. I like the little bit of float they give me; I like the
> adjustable disconnect angle; I like the fact that I can use the same cleats
> on both road and mountain pedals. But that's just my own preference; YMMV.
>
> My recommendation for anyone who wants to try cleated shoes/pedals, either
> for the first time or on a daily around-town bike, is to try SPD mountain
> shoes/pedals first. Since they're Shimano, they're more widespread than
> other systems; accordingly, they're widely copied (hello Wellgo and
> Ritchey!) and cheaper. If SPDs don't work for you, figure out why they
> don't work, and try another system that sounds like it address

[RBW] Re: Has anyone used this Look-to-SPD adaptor? Are they any good? Do the cleats hold up well?

[Peter Adler]

Customer reviews of SPD to Crank Brothers isn't really a fair comparison. 
Shimano-style SPD mountain pedals are used by orders of magnitude more 
riders than Crank Brothers, so it's logical that SPD would have more 
advocates. In courts of public opinion, the majority opinion usually wins, 
even if it's silly.

The two different Look adapter sets (Wellgo RC8 
, Crank Brothers 
3-hole cleat ) 
include both 3-hole adapters and cleats, but they cleat to entirely 
different pedals. You choose the adapter system to mate to your preferred 
pedals. The Crank Brothers adapters can fit SPD cleats, but the Wellgo SPD 
adapters don't look like they'll accept Crank Brothers cleats - or Time 
ATAC cleats, or Speedplay cleats, or Bebop cleats, all of which have larger 
bases than SPD. The Wellgo adapters look like they're molded to fit SPD 
adapters, and nothing else. Actually, it looks like they've disassembled 
the regular Shimano SPD cleat into two parts (the brass horizontal bar and 
the underlying silver top/bottom lobes). If that's true, then that's 
super-awful; it means that you won't be able to buy regular SPD replacement 
clets, but you'll have to buy special weirdo cleats from Wellgo - which 
will be available only for as long as Wellgo chooses to make them 
available. Ecch.

I'd really like to be wrong about that, if only because forcing people to 
buy replacement parts from a single manufacturer is a generally bad thing. 
In Wellgo's case, it would be a case of spending extra money to lock people 
into the replacement chain; Wellgo already makes standard SPD cleats (98A) 
, so the expense of 
making an nearly-identical cleat seems pretty wasteful.

The Crank Brothers adapters are a sort of nylon. I've been a CB rider for 
years, and I hoard the discontinued Quattro road pedals (for which the 
3-hole Look adapters were originally designed). Since CB uses the same 
cleat for both mountain and road pedals, I normally ride the Quattro pedals 
on my daily rider with mountain shoes, just because they're easier for 
walking around. I've got a set of road shoes with adapter-ized cleats, but 
they don't get a lot of use; like other bulky road cleats (Look, Time, 
SPD-SL), I wouldn't want to duck-walk around in them, for fear of slipping 
and breaking my butt-bone.

>From the Amazon photo, the Wellgo adapters look to be metal, but they don't 
say. Wellgo is a Taiwanese OEM company, and their English site has no 
information about the RC8 at all, aside from the image. Obviously, if 
they're metal, they'll last longer; but who knows?

If what you need is a 3-hole shoe-to-2-hole cleat adapter *without* the 
cleat, Sidi has one:

http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=SPD+Adapter+Plate&vendorCode=SIDI&major=5&minor=7

I don't think this is really a "which adapter is better?" question; I think 
this is really a "which cleated pedal system is better?" question. That's a 
very individual question, which is hard to answer except by direct 
experiment. My own first attempt with cleated pedals was with the 
double-sided platform+SPD system that (if memory recalls) was from Wellgo; 
they were cheapies from Nashbar about seven years back. I could never get 
used to them; I never mastered the technique of cleating in and out. I'd 
think I was cleated in and then my leg would fly out; I'd think I was 
cleated out, and I'd fall down with the bike on top of me.

Crank Brothers were comparatively easy for me; cleating in and out was a 
breeze. I now ride CB (older Candys and discontinued Quattros) on all my 
cleated bikes. I like the little bit of float they give me; I like the 
adjustable disconnect angle; I like the fact that I can use the same cleats 
on both road and mountain pedals. But that's just my own preference; YMMV.

My recommendation for anyone who wants to try cleated shoes/pedals, either 
for the first time or on a daily around-town bike, is to try SPD mountain 
shoes/pedals first. Since they're Shimano, they're more widespread than 
other systems; accordingly, they're widely copied (hello Wellgo and 
Ritchey!) and cheaper. If SPDs don't work for you, figure out why they 
don't work, and try another system that sounds like it addresses your 
problem.

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Wellgo-Cycling-Shimano-Adapter-Cleats/dp/B00E7UZHB6
>
> I see Crank Bros has a different type of adaptor, but the Wellgoes get 
> better reviews.
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

Probably should set up a Burnt Hole in MUSA Pants While Camping sub group! 
  

The soft nylon fabric that makes them so comfortable and adaptable to 
different temperatures with changes in base layers does mean they are more 
vulnerable to burns.

In my defense, a fellow camper insisted on stocking the camp fire with sap 
filled pine logs that blew off embers onto me.  

At least one pair survived intact. 

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[RBW] Has anyone used this Look-to-SPD adaptor? Are they any good? Do the cleats hold up well?

[Patrick Moore]

http://www.amazon.com/Wellgo-Cycling-Shimano-Adapter-Cleats/dp/B00E7UZHB6

I see Crank Bros has a different type of adaptor, but the Wellgoes get
better reviews.

Anyone?

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who just converted his gofast to very nice, very light
Ritchey 1-sided, road SPD pedals that weigh just 1/2 oz more than his Look
Keo Pluses.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Might be the angle – I know that I'm more willing to accept tight tolerances 
than many, and my comment was intended to take others' desires for more 
generous clearance into account.  But it's true that I think tight clearances 
ought to be more acceptable in the absence of fenders, and their tendency to 
scoop up potential jammer-sticks, etc.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

Tom,

Quite-tight for you would be unacceptable for most.  Maybe it's the angle but 
that looks tighter than your atlantis :)


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 12:30:38 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on 
Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously 
reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)

Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/

Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of any 
kind.

Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Minh]

Tom,

Quite-tight for you would be unacceptable for most.  Maybe it's the angle 
but that looks tighter than your atlantis :)


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 12:30:38 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>
> Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on 
> Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously 
> reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)
>
>  
>
> Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/
>
>  
>
> Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of 
> any kind.
>
>  
>
> Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[EGNolan]

+1 on the love for my MUSA pants & the burnt hole while camping. 

Best,
Eric
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[RBW] WTT: Pedals/Pedals; Bag/Bag

[Patrick Moore]

1. I have NN (that means "nearly new") or PN ("practically new") or AU
("almost unused") silver MKS Urban pedals that I just put on the Hon Solo.
I don't likem atall. Would like to trade for NN, PN or AU MKS 324s, also in
silver, tho' black grudgingly accepted. I will toss in L Christophe clips
and good black leather straps if you will pay my outbound postage as well
as yours.

2. With racks ordered for my (God willing) soon to be acquired new off road
bike, I won't need my VG Revelate Pica. I would like to trade this, with
suitable additions in cash or kind, for a considerably larger saddle bag,
like a Nelson Longflap.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Unclear whether the request is for pics of the clearance with the Switchbacks, 
or of the new coupled Saluki build, so a couple of each are below.

Here's the build – it just needs the bars taped.  I think I'm going to try a 
harlequin wrap again (the emotional pain from my first botched attempt seems to 
have receded with time).  I've been working to get this shaken down before 
Pondero's C&O ride beginning October 6.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21667784655/in/dateposted-public/

The shifters are a little unusual – Retroshift combo shifters and levers, with 
the shifters mounted in front of the hoods above the levers.  I haven't ridden 
with them yet, but I thought they looked interesting to try.  Pic here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21676945261/in/dateposted-public/

Here's the best I could get of the fork clearance:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21480950709/in/dateposted-public/

Not a lot of excess room, but certainly fine without fenders.  (BTW, on 
Velocity Synergy rims they measure just 48mm, not 49mm, as I previously 
reported.  Pumped up to around 30 to 32 psi.)

Here's an even worse pic of the chainstay clearance:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/21641680116/in/dateposted-public/

Quite tight, but still acceptable without fenders.  No way with fenders of any 
kind.

Tom "Harlequin-scarred" Allingham

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

Pics! Pics!


On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
This all causes me to wonder how my Saluki is successfully swallowing up the 
Switchbacks.  I know it's a Saluki, and I know they're EL Switchbacks.  What's 
different about my combo (he wondered)?
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Michael Ullmer]

Glad I'm not the only one who managed to burn a hole in my MUSA pants while 
camping...


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:00:26 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>
> I find it hard to believe the long MUSA pants in various colors were not a 
> popular high volume product.  I wear them all winter long.  I was very 
> disappointed when they were cancelled, but I wouldn't pay $100 +.
>
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 6:30:22 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
>> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
>> in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>> see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I find it hard to believe the long MUSA pants in various colors were not a 
popular high volume product.  I wear them all winter long.  I was very 
disappointed when they were cancelled, but I wouldn't pay $100 +.

Matt

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 6:30:22 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
> in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
> see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[drew]

yeah, my understanding is that most musa items are not being reordered for 
the foreseeable future. i asked specifically about the pants a while back 
and they pretty much said to start looking for alternative options. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

Thanks.  Beginning to worry I should have horded when I had the chance.


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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

I had both a piece of Volx as well as a bit of cut up tube on mine this
last time. Didn't help... :-(

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Edwin W  wrote:

> I had an extra piece of velox rim tape on there. This time I took that off
> and slid an extra piece of tube over the valve.
>
> I will test it out this weekend. Might consider a little duct tape, too.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:13:21 AM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> I have been very happy with my tubeless Babyshoe Pass tires. See my post
>> on this list. If you stick with tubes, try duct tape. You could reinforce
>> the rim hole or the valve stem. Remember...if you can't fix it, duck it!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:11:21 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They're on my list!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>
 Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I
 got some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
 Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have
 reinforcement in that area.
 Him: how much are they?
 Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
 Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
 Me: 5.
 Him: sounds worth it.
 Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!

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[RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, I can smell it in the air... it's nearly OCTOBER  And with that can 
we expect to hear (soon) that the Clems/intines are lining up for 
shipment???  


On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 5:40:19 AM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems 
> and Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
> Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
> must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
> for late October!
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[RBW] MUSA Pants?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Last thing I recall was that the entire MUSA program was being reconsidered. 
That was earlier in the summer I think. But as far as I can tell only the pants 
and non-black knickers have become unavailable since. So I'm hopeful that what 
sounded "dire" earlier was my misreading the signals and in fact the absence of 
pants and/or knickers has been a seasonal thing.

However, if/when the pants come back it would not surprise me if they are only 
in black and/or cost >$100. Neither would be great but both would be 
understandable IMHO.

Yours,
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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Edwin W]

I had an extra piece of velox rim tape on there. This time I took that off 
and slid an extra piece of tube over the valve.

I will test it out this weekend. Might consider a little duct tape, too.

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:13:21 AM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> I have been very happy with my tubeless Babyshoe Pass tires. See my post 
> on this list. If you stick with tubes, try duct tape. You could reinforce 
> the rim hole or the valve stem. Remember...if you can't fix it, duck it!
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:11:21 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> They're on my list!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>>> Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I 
>>> got some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
>>> Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have 
>>> reinforcement in that area.
>>> Him: how much are they?
>>> Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
>>> Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
>>> Me: 5.
>>> Him: sounds worth it.
>>> Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!
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RE: [RBW] Re: Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[Roy Drinkwater]

Does anyone who has a sale space have any room for a few items?  I don't have 
any large items. 

Thanks

Roy H. Drinkwater 
Lititz, PA

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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[cyclotourist]

That and bailing wire, right!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Doug Williams 
wrote:

> I have been very happy with my tubeless Babyshoe Pass tires. See my post
> on this list. If you stick with tubes, try duct tape. You could reinforce
> the rim hole or the valve stem. Remember...if you can't fix it, duck it!
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:11:21 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> They're on my list!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>>> Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I
>>> got some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
>>> Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have
>>> reinforcement in that area.
>>> Him: how much are they?
>>> Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
>>> Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
>>> Me: 5.
>>> Him: sounds worth it.
>>> Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Minh]

Hmm i seem to remember near the end of the Saluki run that they morphed 
into Hilsens or was it the other way around that the final Salukis got 
badged at Hilsens? 

Intersting that Tom's Saluki is an outlier, i think that makes it more 
desirable than a standard Saluki!

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:45:40 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> I'll take some tonight.
>
>  
>
>
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[RBW] MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
in one of them.  

So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
see none there.

Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
point.  Anyone know what's up?

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Re: [RBW] Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

[Doug Williams]

I have been very happy with my tubeless Babyshoe Pass tires. See my post on 
this list. If you stick with tubes, try duct tape. You could reinforce the 
rim hole or the valve stem. Remember...if you can't fix it, duck it!

Doug

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:11:21 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> They're on my list!
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Edwin W  > wrote:
>
>> Argj! Just got another valve base tear on THAT rim. Kenda tube. I got 
>> some schwalbes and was explaining the fix to my 9 year old son.
>> Me: I think the fix is these expensive tubes. See, they have 
>> reinforcement in that area.
>> Him: how much are they?
>> Me: expensive. 8 bucks.
>> Him: that doesn't sound like much. How much are the cheap ones?
>> Me: 5.
>> Him: sounds worth it.
>> Wisdom doesn't always come with age. We will see if they work!!
>>
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>
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>
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