[RBW] Laid off and in a Quandary

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wayne, it sounds like you're not asking for advice, but folks are chiming in. 
I'll add my barely two cents worth.

Have you written a monthly family budget, carefully listing all of your 
necessary and elective expenses? Have you written a business plan for the farm 
including a projection of any funds necessary to get started? Have you 
projected your income over the next 12, 24, 36 months?

The answers to many questions will be found in the spreadsheets.

A suggestion from my own experience: I used to use a spreadsheet tab for every 
month's budget. I no longer do that. I now keep an entire year on one page just 
stacking the months one after another in vertical columns. I leave a few blank 
lines scattered  through  the columns,  in anticipation of items that weren't 
listed in the previous months. My wife and I have a meeting on the first 
Wednesday of every month, and by the time we're done with the previous month's 
numbers, we know exactly how that month treated us financially.

Another comment: once you have your budget built, it's easy to run models with 
different assumptions, like reduced income or extra expenses, or dipping into 
your savings on a regular basis over a number of months.

-pb

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for cycling in the rain in the cold?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wool, Ventile and waxed cotton all bring a smile to my face Worth the 
extra $ IMO.

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 11:18:37 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> What works for you in the rain when it is 60 degrees or colder?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[Patrick Moore]

Wayne: I hope you'll chronicle your farming experience on this list, the
listmeister willing. Somehow, wealthy urban axes are faintly ridiculous (I
don't fault Riv for selling them; good tools are a gift from God, even if
they are expensive; it's the context, which most of us share, and which is
not our fault: it is our suburban/urban way of life that is the foolish
thing.) But good axes and other equipment on a farm -- that makes eminent
sense, and the upshot is, there is perhaps little more Rivendellian than
honest work on a small, family owned, lovingly worked farm.

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[RBW] Re: Autumn Aspen Ride

[Montclair BobbyB]

Beautiful... I have friends riding the Monarch Crest Trail this week... so 
jealous. Ah, to ride among the aspens when they're golden is a religious 
experience.  Thanks for sharing that, Patrick.

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 6:01:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I find it illustrative in that video to see how smooth the line of my head 
> is vs. the bouncing like of the Hunqapillar. Here's to knees and elbows as 
> 18" of shock absorption! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 7:55:11 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The aspen are still spectacular AND my brain was doing well enough to 
>> head out with the whole family. My wife hiked in with the two littles to 
>> play in a creek and the two older lassies rode with me over hill and 
>> through dale and creeks and aspen.
>>
>> Wow, is it fantastic being out with family, the breeze sending cascading 
>> gold all round with the dusty autumn loam scents filling the air. Sun 
>> played hide and seek and as my eldest pointed out it just had to come out 
>> when we were in LCG up the steep! Grin.
>>
>> Not much direct Rivendell content, but I rode my Hunqapillar and it makes 
>> this possible. Photos show thar’s gold in them thar hills!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/albums/72157656909930253
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I don't know... I guess I'm of the opinion that when it comes to safety, 
form and function conflict too much.  I pack along a big ol' ugly DOT 
safety vest when I need to really be seen (over my comfortable and stylish 
'whatever' underneath)...it lights me up like a neon sign.   I don't care 
if drivers think "nice vest there, sport"... I want them to think "Holy 
S***, that sucker is BRIGHT!!!"... 

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 6:09:17 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
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> Looks like Nathan no longer makes my favorite type of vest they had.
>
> Was wondering what everyone is using.
>

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[RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wayne, you're not alone... Just remember things happen for a reason... One 
door closes, others open... 

Nothing like pairing the words 'scary' with 'exciting'... that's what 
motivates us to make things happen...  I say do whatever it takes... 
whether it's selling other bikes, unessential possessions, picking up extra 
work, etc...start socking away the Clem fund in your coffee can, little by 
little.. you've got time before you need to pay for it... MAKE IT HAPPEN, 
KEEP THAT CLEM!!!... it's something you will be especially proud of (having 
made it happen despite the challenges). 

Best of luck, move ahead and don't look back.  Live life to its fullest, 
craziest, and scariest/excitingest!!  *(Patrick Moore must be cringing at 
my butchering of the English language)*  We're with you.

Peace,
BB

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:45:20 PM UTC-4, KC wrote:
>
> Obviously you and your family are the only ones that know how tight things 
> will be for you.  And what sacrifices everyone has to make - because you 
> won't enjoy the bike if everyone else is doing without things they want.  
> But if there is enough money for everyone to have a little something 
> special while they deny themselves a lot of other things for a while, then 
> it is nice to give yourself a little gift to soften the blow.  
>
> In addition to more Clems coming in later, I will bet that a few months 
> down the road we'll see the occasional post from someone that has decided 
> they need to sell their Clem and you will have the opportunity to purchase 
> an almost new one for a little less money when you are in a better position 
> to evaluate how much of an impact it will have on the budget.  
>
> I am very sorry you were laid off.  It is terrible to feel that things 
> aren't on your terms.  But I also know there is a real good chance that a 
> year or so from now you will experience a wonderful sense of freedom that 
> you are on a new and better path.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:28:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>> Well, a little over a week ago I was laid off from my job, after five and 
>> a half years.  The falling price of oil has had a sharply negative effect 
>> in my industry.  There are other jobs in my field, but that would require a 
>> major relocation.  My wife and I are tired of this, as it would be the 
>> third such move in a little over a decade.  We are planning to relocate to 
>> a plot of family land in the middle of BFE Michigan, and start a farm.  Its 
>> a scary and exciting prospect.  My quandary is that I have a Clem on the 
>> way, and it isn't paid for yet.  That is, Riv has their money but my credit 
>> card has a big hole in it!  I have a good introductory deal:  No interest 
>> for 15 months.  The Clem is the only purchase on the card.  So I figured 
>> that it would be easy.  But now, of course, I feel differently.  Riv will 
>> certainly cancel my sale, and someone else will certainly snap up the bike. 
>>  But I can't let it go just yet.  It feels very selfish of me to want to 
>> keep the bike, and I am trying to come up with ways to justify it's 
>> existence in my life.  They ring hollow and I know it's just because the 
>> bike has been this goal I've worked toward, and in some weird way, feel 
>> I've earned.  Still, I might feel less stressed if I did just let it go. 
>>  That money will find plenty of other uses.  Anyhow, I don't expect the 
>> list to have any magic cures, but I just needed to rant.  Thanks for 
>> listening.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco to Monterey, via way of Rivendell picnic

[James Warren]

I'm in need!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 7:39 PM, dougP  wrote:
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> Coffeeneuring beckons. Out of town until next week. Let's plan something. 
> 
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco to Monterey, via way of Rivendell picnic

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Doug,

Fairly busy myself. Probably not too free till first of November. Let's
plan a day ride in November.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
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>
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[RBW] PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[dougP]

Bill:

Thanks for posting. We need to kick in here to help out. Head trauma is the 
worst. A long time cycling friend suffered a head trauma roughly when my 
cardiac issues came up. We've been rehabbing & backsliding together for a long 
time. Head problems are a LOT more serious. Let's all help Charlie.

Doug peterson

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Mike Schiller]

those numbers sound short.  I have been happily using the Zoic Reign 
knickers and an XL version ( 36" waist) measures about 20 1/2 inches.  They 
are from a local Co. here in Carlsbad but are sewn in China unfortunately.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 3:46:30 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> From blog post about the knickers.  I have a 30" men's jeans inseam and 
> the knicker numbers sound like a good length, not slightly over hemmed 
> pants :p.
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/compass-knickers/
> Inseams (approximate):
> 28″ size: 17.5″ inseam
> 30″ size: 18.25″ inseam
> 32 and 34 size: 18.50″ inseam
> -Barbara
> Compass Staff
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Patrick,   I am contemplating the image of you in that attire. I cannot 
imagine what I would think if I saw something like that out in the wild. I 
can understand why it would take you a bit, to restore your self image. Be 
assured however that the list values your experience no matter how you 
dress.Jim DMassachusetts

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am still recovering my self confidence and rebuilding my self image, 
> several years after, in pure innocence, riding to the express bus stop in 
> wool knickers, long socks, knit jersey, wool cycling cap (with tasteful 
> chequered pattern), and antique Vittoria sheepskin lined cycling  ankle 
> boots -- and having the bus driver ask me if I were "going to a party." 
> Perhaps it was my retro-looking Rivendell fixie? Or the fact that the 
> Vittorias' toes were, alas, slightly upturned? (Really, they were.)
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Lynne Fitz  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is all about the socks.
>> +1 for Ibex wool knickers and colorful tall socks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[Evan E.]

Wayne: Clem or no Clem, best of luck on your next (ad)venture!

Evan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Deacon Patrick]

Jim, be assured Patrick of the Moore can clean up nicely (at least by my 
fashion standards, which arguably may not exist). Grin.:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/20325920986/in/album-72157656815085416/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-6, Jim D Massachusetts wrote:
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>  Be assured however that the list values your experience no matter how you 
> dress.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

[Will]

The large reflective triangle Riv sells is sufficient. We have 3. They 
work. Cars move out 6' or more when passing.


On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 5:09:17 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Looks like Nathan no longer makes my favorite type of vest they had.
>
> Was wondering what everyone is using.
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Liesl]

Jan, I love the idea of these kickers.  Is it possible to share some inseam 
information?  I would love a pair, but I fear at 5'2" and  with 
comparatively skinny calves, the following three things might happen:  1) 
the articulated knees would fall midway down my shins, 2) my calves 
wouldn't hold them up in the knicker position because overall they're too 
long, and 3) when extended, the pant legs might drag under my heals because 
the inseam is 32 or 34.  But if I knew that there was a length that was 
equivalent to, say, a 28" or 30" inseam, then I'd be all over it!

yours, Liesl (who has experienced all of the above issues with beautiful 
knickers)

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:17:49 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
> the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
> you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
> size larger than you would for your normal pants.
>
> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles
> www.compasscycle.com
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[RBW] WTB nitto front and or rear rack

[mike gasparino]

Looking for front and rear campee racks. If you have something similar 
(tubus,velo Orange,etc) I'm fine with that. Please let me know!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jim D Massachusetts]

In the pictures you both look, dare I say, normal.  Not an elf to be seen 
anywhere. My mind is at rest.  Jim D.   
Massachusetts

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 2:11:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Jim, be assured Patrick of the Moore can clean up nicely (at least by my 
> fashion standards, which arguably may not exist). Grin.:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/20325920986/in/album-72157656815085416/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-6, Jim D Massachusetts 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Be assured however that the list values your experience no matter how 
>> you dress.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[iamkeith]

Sorry to hear about the trials you're facing, Wayne.   As someone who 
chooses to live in BFE himself, despite the economic sacrifices of doing 
so, it sounds like this may be a blessing of sorts.  Hopefully you can look 
back on it some day and see it that way.

Obviously, you need to do whatever is prudent and necessary to survive at 
the moment.  I tend to buy bikes precisely when work is slowest - but when 
I have time to use them - rather than when I have lots of work and extra 
discretionary funds - but when I am too busy to use or think about them.   
So I might not have the clearest, most rational head about these things - 
but here are my thoughts:

It's pretty clear how much you've been looking forward to this.   Seems 
like it would be a shame to back out just a few days before it arrives, 
after all this waiting.   I'd say get it and see how much you like it, 
before getting rid of it.   You can still always sell it and, at the 
introductory price you paid, suffer little to no financial penalty.   In 
the meantime, this is also a good reason not to spend anything on 
"upgrades" or personalization, that would diminish the collectible/concours 
status.  Remember that you  happen to have one of the sought-after, 
ultra-rare, limited-edition versions that came stock with *clear-coated 
decals*  ;-)

You might want to framesaver it and/or keep it indoors when you get to 
Michigan, too.  I'm not sure where you live at the moment but, if memory 
serves, it can get pretty humid in most of Michigan, and I think they salt 
the roads in the winter.Best of luck wherever choices and circumstances 
lead you!

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[RBW] PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Bill Lindsay]

https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg

Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in a bike 
crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his visionary 
contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), this is a 
good opportunity to act on that twang.  

thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for cycling in the rain in the cold?

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Some spendy shoes that I purchased earlier this year:  

http://arcteryx.com/ProductFind.aspx?language=EN=Footwear=Shoes

We have had some wet weather lately, of the kind that would have inundated 
my previous go-to gore tex hikers and blundstones, and these worked dandy.  
Stiff sole in the approach shoes works well with my grip kings.


On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 11:18:37 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:

> What works for you in the rain when it is 60 degrees or colder?

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Thanks for posting that, Bill.

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>
> Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in a bike 
> crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his visionary 
> contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), this is a 
> good opportunity to act on that twang.  
>
> thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[Ryan Ray]

Nothing to add but I too had about 1/2 saved up for a Riv from working side 
projects before the startup I was at collapsed and I found out I not only 
didn't have a job but I wasn't getting paid for the last month I worked. 
That 1500 was swallowed up by bills and everything was fine and a year 
later I had a used Ram but it was still a bummer. Good luck farming!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Mitch Browne]

I was first introduced to Charlie by Grant in his Riv Reader 27 interview. 
Thanks.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

[Joe Hogg]

http://www.safetyline.com

or any site selling ANSI 2 or ANSI 3 clothing.

Joe
LA, CA

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Will  wrote:

> The large reflective triangle Riv sells is sufficient. We have 3. They
> work. Cars move out 6' or more when passing.
>
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 5:09:17 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Nathan no longer makes my favorite type of vest they had.
>>
>> Was wondering what everyone is using.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I use a reflective vest I got from Harbor Freight Tools for about $5. It's 
the same thing highway workers wear and it really stands out.

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 6:09:17 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
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> Looks like Nathan no longer makes my favorite type of vest they had.
>
> Was wondering what everyone is using.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Pair of Hetres

[Lungimsam]

Oops... forgot to mention (thanks, Steve), these are Black tread and 
standard casings.

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[RBW] FS: Pair of Hetres

[Lungimsam]

Pair of Hetres for sale. Bought from Compass Cycles. Mounted on my Bleriot 
and ridden for a very short time before being taken off and replaced by 
Compass 38mm tires for better fender clearance.

Treads are great. Sidewalls look good and clean. No rain smutz.

Both have very thin, almost undetectable (except for neurotic close up 
looking), superficial split around circumference where a molding line is. 
My Rivish LBS (College Park Bikes) said it is cosmetic and irrelevant. I 
forgot the exact explanation. I think they said something about an 
overlaying layer of rubber where that happens and it means nothing. Every 
Panaracer tire I have had developed these. Yours probably has them too if 
you look close enough.

100$ shipped CONUS. Pics if you like.

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Re: [RBW] Re: C in October

[Tony DeFilippo]

What a splendid day. Awesome meeting Chris and so many other local and not 
local folks.  My participation ended in Leesburg today but the trip is 
still ongoing. I'm hoping the crew is settled down in front of a campfire 
(or more likely passed out)  off the C Canal right this minute.  Couple 
group shot's from Fletcher's Boat House along the C, more photo's and at 
least my part of the ride report coming later this week.

Tony










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[RBW] Re: San Francisco to Monterey, via way of Rivendell picnic

[dougP]

Coffeeneuring beckons. Out of town until next week. Let's plan something. 

Doug

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Jan Heine]

I don't think any of the "domestic" knickers are quite so sophisticated in 
their cut, and quite as performance-oriented. It's like many of the 
mainstream "classic" bikes, which go for the look of a classic, but not 
necessarily get the performance right. 

The Compass knickers really are incredibly light, and they really do 
disappear when you ride. I rode 2/3 of PBP this year without them and 1/3 
with them, and there was no difference in speed or feel. I can't say that 
about other knickers, which often work remarkably well, but I am always 
aware that I am wearing them.

Or to put it another way, these are the only knickers I'd ever do hill 
intervals in. Not that you should do hill intervals, but basically, these 
are intended for riders who don't want to compromise performance, but who 
don't like the look of tight-fitting lycra.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 2:29:11 PM UTC+9, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I was wondering how Japanese knickers differ from the american ones like 
> swrve, chrome, betabrand, etc.  Umm yeah don't google "japanese knickers" 
> at work.  But Japanese cycling knickers didn't turn up anything either.
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
>> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
>> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
>> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
>> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
>> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles
>> www.compasscycle.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Laid off and in a Quandary

[Eric Daume]

$1500 or whatever the Clem costs is cheap for a Riv, but expensive for a
bike. If you need a bike, you can pick up something used on CL to tide you
over while your situation hopefully stabilizes. I'm just thinking about the
joke about what the farmer said after he won the lottery: "I guess I'll
just keep farming until the money is gone."... you probably will have a
more immediate need for the money.

Eric

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> Well, a little over a week ago I was laid off from my job, after five and
> a half years.  The falling price of oil has had a sharply negative effect
> in my industry.  There are other jobs in my field, but that would require a
> major relocation.  My wife and I are tired of this, as it would be the
> third such move in a little over a decade.  We are planning to relocate to
> a plot of family land in the middle of BFE Michigan, and start a farm.  Its
> a scary and exciting prospect.  My quandary is that I have a Clem on the
> way, and it isn't paid for yet.  That is, Riv has their money but my credit
> card has a big hole in it!  I have a good introductory deal:  No interest
> for 15 months.  The Clem is the only purchase on the card.  So I figured
> that it would be easy.  But now, of course, I feel differently.  Riv will
> certainly cancel my sale, and someone else will certainly snap up the
> bike.  But I can't let it go just yet.  It feels very selfish of me to want
> to keep the bike, and I am trying to come up with ways to justify it's
> existence in my life.  They ring hollow and I know it's just because the
> bike has been this goal I've worked toward, and in some weird way, feel
> I've earned.  Still, I might feel less stressed if I did just let it go.
> That money will find plenty of other uses.  Anyhow, I don't expect the list
> to have any magic cures, but I just needed to rant.  Thanks for listening.
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[RBW] Conditioning the leather on a Sackville?

[Tim Tetrault]

Anyone have creams they like to condition the leather on their Sackville 
items? Mine's drying out a bit...

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[RBW] Conditioning the leather on a Sackville?

[Surlyprof]

I use Obenauf's (that Riv sells) on the leather bits whenever I condition my 
saddle and leather bar tape.  Seems to work well.  I don't know if there is a 
good way to condition the fabric part.

John

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[RBW] Re: Conditioning the leather on a Sackville?

[Deacon Patrick]

Coconut oil beeswax melted on the stovetop is what we use on all our 
leather. 1:1, then tweak for your own preference (I like more beeswax than 
coconut oil).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 7:08:35 PM UTC-6, Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
> Anyone have creams they like to condition the leather on their Sackville 
> items? Mine's drying out a bit...
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers

[Daniel D.]

>From blog post about the knickers.  I have a 30" men's jeans inseam and the 
knicker numbers sound like a good length, not slightly over hemmed pants :p.
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/compass-knickers/
Inseams (approximate):
28″ size: 17.5″ inseam
30″ size: 18.25″ inseam
32 and 34 size: 18.50″ inseam
-Barbara
Compass Staff

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:23:48 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Jan, I love the idea of these kickers.  Is it possible to share some 
> inseam information?  I would love a pair, but I fear at 5'2" and  with 
> comparatively skinny calves, the following three things might happen:  1) 
> the articulated knees would fall midway down my shins, 2) my calves 
> wouldn't hold them up in the knicker position because overall they're too 
> long, and 3) when extended, the pant legs might drag under my heals because 
> the inseam is 32 or 34.  But if I knew that there was a length that was 
> equivalent to, say, a 28" or 30" inseam, then I'd be all over it!
>
> yours, Liesl (who has experienced all of the above issues with beautiful 
> knickers)
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:17:49 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> The fit of the knickers certainly isn't form-fitting - that would defeat 
>> the purpose. We clarified the language - what we meant to say is that if 
>> you wear padded shorts underneath these, you should definitely order one 
>> size larger than you would for your normal pants.
>>
>> The whole idea of knickers is to have pants that look good, but otherwise 
>> disappear when you ride. Ours are based on Japanese cyclotouring and hiking 
>> knickers, which are quite sophisticated, with articulated knees and hidden 
>> drawcords at the leg cuffs. This makes them incredibly complex to sew, 
>> which explains the price. If we priced them like most clothing companies 
>> price clothing, they'd be unaffordable...
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles
>> www.compasscycle.com
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/06/2015 07:38 AM, Dave Brandt wrote:

I recently tore part of the weld an in the direction that would have been from 
putting it up into the riding position.
I have used them on several bikes and I had one directly mounted to the 
kickstand plate on my Saga. On my last tour I noticed some fender rub that I 
have never had before. When I got home I discovered the worse, it had pulled a 
small amount of the plate off the frame, which appears to have torn the weld 
off the frame. I'm unsure if it did any permanent structural damage but I will 
probably replace a frame I loved.
My excuse to get a new Rivendell touring frame soon.


You don't think it might be worth getting a frame builder to evaluate 
the damage?




I personally will never use another double again, it's just not worth the risk.



Didn't Rivendell include on its web site a way in which you could safely 
use a double?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Dave Brandt]

 I keep my bikes pretty spotless and I was considering an Appaloosa when they 
come out. Now it helps me make my mind up to swap the parts over and donate the 
frame. Hopefully it is superficial but I won't trust it and if it does need 
repair I would need to get it repainted, making that frame really not worth it 
to me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

[Dave Brandt]

I recently tore part of the weld an in the direction that would have been from 
putting it up into the riding position.
I have used them on several bikes and I had one directly mounted to the 
kickstand plate on my Saga. On my last tour I noticed some fender rub that I 
have never had before. When I got home I discovered the worse, it had pulled a 
small amount of the plate off the frame, which appears to have torn the weld 
off the frame. I'm unsure if it did any permanent structural damage but I will 
probably replace a frame I loved.
My excuse to get a new Rivendell touring frame soon.
I personally will never use another double again, it's just not worth the risk.

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco to Monterey, via way of Rivendell picnic

[hsmitham]

Doug,

Glad the cranks are still turning, making me so happy. By the description, 
you and Melanie had a wonderful trip. Great ride report.  Hope to ride with 
you soon.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh 

On Saturday, October 3, 2015 at 6:47:18 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> A bit later than planned but pictures prove we were there:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/albums/72157659369351876
>
> We needed some kind of bike tour & the Rivendell gathering provided the 
> ideal motivation.  From a friend's house in Monterey, we shuttled the 
> trusty pair of Atlantis' to San Francisco, and wandered around the 
> Embarcadero / Ferry Building / Fisherman's Wharf / marina area on our way 
> to our lodging.  After enjoying the city for a couple of days we met up 
> with David, Will et al who were doing a Marin Headlands area ramble.  Not 
> really able to keep up with those guys, we opted for photo ops and bit of 
> wandering around GGNRA (?) before arriving at the picnic.  We both won 
> visors in the "fishing for lugs".  
>
> Monday we left via Golden Gate Park & the Great Highway in absolutely 
> perfect weather.  Even the Devil's Slide Climb cooperated and we opted for 
> the "old road" which appears to have been completely re-built, with 
> overlooks, smooth pavement and extensive work to keep rockslides at bay.  
> Arriving in Half Moon Bay, we found our lodging by "looking for the fire 
> truck parked in front".  Quite the character & a wonderful host.  Tuesday 
> took us to Capitola via Hwy 1 as civilization thinned out & the scenery was 
> spectacular.  Sorry about the lack of photos; I tend to get lost in riding 
> & forget to take them.  Stocking up on goodies at Gayle's in Capitola, we 
> rolled south on Wednesday, finding what appeared to be a sculptor's 
> workshop in Half Moon Bay (but no one home?).  To reach our goal in 
> Monterey (area) we angled inland thru Marina / Seaside & across old Fort 
> Ord property.  Our last challenge was Laureles Grade ("10%; trucks use low 
> gears") but we had a tip on a roundabout way to climb, off the main hwy, 
> that proved well worth doing.  One teensy little bit of trail (an abandoned 
> local road) was much more pleasant than the alternative.  Roughly 150 
> miles, 3 days + the San Francisco portion.  Loads of fun.
>
> In the car, we headed south thru Big Sur.  Still plenty of touring 
> cyclists out there.  We stopped in Lucia for the view and met an Aussie on 
> an expedition loaded Thorn.  His response to the obvious "where ya' 
> headed?" was a casual "...tip of South America...".  And where did you 
> start?  Equally casually, "...Alaska."  But there's more!  He'd already 
> ridden to the US / Mexico border, then hiked back up to Canada, before 
> riding down the Pacific Coast again.  "Really pretty country, worth a 
> second look."  No timetable, he expects to be at it years, not months.  
> Said 50 miles a day was fine, no sense in getting worn out.  Those Aussies.
>
> dougP
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/pbp-preparation-mavic-reflective-vest/


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:

> I don't know... I guess I'm of the opinion that when it comes to safety,
> form and function conflict too much.  I pack along a big ol' ugly DOT
> safety vest when I need to really be seen (over my comfortable and stylish
> 'whatever' underneath)...it lights me up like a neon sign.   I don't care
> if drivers think "nice vest there, sport"... I want them to think "Holy
> S***, that sucker is BRIGHT!!!"...
>
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 6:09:17 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Nathan no longer makes my favorite type of vest they had.
>>
>> Was wondering what everyone is using.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for reflective vests?

[N. Llama]

I use a Cactus Creek cycling safety 
vest: 
http://www.mec.ca/product/5002-380/cactus-creek-cycling-safety-vest-unisex/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Autumn Aspen Ride

[Eunice Chang]

Thank you for the photos and videos! It's not quite fall yet here (though
the temps suggest otherwise) so it's nice to have some immediate
gratification :)

-E.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> Beautiful... I have friends riding the Monarch Crest Trail this week... so
> jealous. Ah, to ride among the aspens when they're golden is a religious
> experience.  Thanks for sharing that, Patrick.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 6:01:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I find it illustrative in that video to see how smooth the line of my
>> head is vs. the bouncing like of the Hunqapillar. Here's to knees and
>> elbows as 18" of shock absorption! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 7:55:11 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> The aspen are still spectacular AND my brain was doing well enough to
>>> head out with the whole family. My wife hiked in with the two littles to
>>> play in a creek and the two older lassies rode with me over hill and
>>> through dale and creeks and aspen.
>>>
>>> Wow, is it fantastic being out with family, the breeze sending cascading
>>> gold all round with the dusty autumn loam scents filling the air. Sun
>>> played hide and seek and as my eldest pointed out it just had to come out
>>> when we were in LCG up the steep! Grin.
>>>
>>> Not much direct Rivendell content, but I rode my Hunqapillar and it
>>> makes this possible. Photos show thar’s gold in them thar hills!
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/albums/72157656909930253
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>
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[RBW] Kojaks SOLD! FS: Schwalbe Kojak 26" X 1.35" tires, wire bead

[Patrick Moore]

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Re: [RBW] Coffee outside.

[Lynne Fitz]

Finally got myself doing a Coffee Outside: 
http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-2015-coffee-outside.html

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