[RBW] Tektro RX 2.0 cross/interrupter levers?

[Conway Bennett]

I bought Tektro RX 2.0 cross/interrupter levers for my partners bike off of 
another list but I can't figure theses things out and setting 
cross/interrupters is easy.

Basically it's the right/rear lever.  It doesn't seem to accept a cable with a 
5 mm ferrule where the cable comes from the aero lever, yet the left/front 
does.  Also the right/rear doesn't have reach adjustment but the left/front 
does.  Thoughts?

These seem to have been a Eurasian pruduct and I can only get info on the RL 
720 which I own and use.


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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Edwin. the beefier ones are M6, I actually weird was already used to that 
because my previous frame did that too. (to others reading in, the two rack 
mounts immediately forwards of the drops are M6, all the other braze-ons 
are M5)  So, my rack stays were already drilled out for the larger bolt and 
it was pretty easy for my attempt. Luckily the Lowes out here finally 
started carrying stainless metric hex cap bolts, so, while the price each 
was highway robbery I upgraded from the black steel ones I'd been using 
previously to some nice stainless for this. I didn't have any problems with 
the head tube, my Technomic can sink pretty deep into it, so, no idea how 
to help you there, but I wish you best of luck sorting it out! Looking 
forward to seeing pics of more builds come out.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:29:19 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Zed,
>
> Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a few 
> hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a few 
> things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
> One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think (standard) 
> and some are bigger. Beefier?
> I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The 
> hoods on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of 
> my pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
> I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
> I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The bar 
> I had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
> Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does 
> it taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
> When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they 
> were so cheap!
> Learning, learning,
>
> Edwin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[alan lavine]

Just some initial impressions: I got the stock build in green, a deep 
British racing green. Its a thing of beauty, for sure, with attention to 
detail typical of Rivendell.  Its by far and away the longest, largest bike 
I've ever owned, with the largest and tallest handlebars, and this may take 
some getting used to.  Also, the widest tires I've ever ridden...I weigh 
170- what is a good tire pressure? Right now its at 25 rear and 20 front.
I have the mounting bracket for a Yepp Mini child carrier attached to the 
stem and it prevents me from lowering the handlebars any further, so if I 
can't get used to it like this I'll have to change to Albatross bars for 
the lower rise. The rack mounts that are above the rear dropouts are indeed 
M6 and I used these to mount a Tobeak rack for a rear child carrier.

All in all, its lovely and I'm very pleased.  I think it was a great deal, 
and I hope it was financially rewarding for Grant.  It may take a while to 
get used to such an upright position, but its primary use is grandchildren 
fun rides and grocery getting, and city riding.  Going to add decals: 
"Grandpa express!"

Alan 
NYC

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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Re: [RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No wobble at all, when all wrapped up tight.  I was actually shocked how 
tight the load (tent and pad) is secured.  The secret is in the flex wings 
and the two side straps (they attach  to the mid rails of the rack) that 
tighten the load, by pulling down on the wings after you roll down the top. 
 I haven't tried riding with a full bag of groceries in spinnaker mode yet. 
 I have a hunch, it will be very unstablelol.  The spinnaker mode is 
kind of a joke due to the bag being so big, but it actually has some merit 
in holding the bag open while loading, and it should block some of the cold 
from hitting my thighs, when it's in the twenties...

The Tires are from VEE rubber. VEE made Intense's super fast fat Micro 
Knobby, which I loved. Intense dropped them, so I went looking at VEE's 
tires for something similar. The tires are the MK3 model, 2.20".  Love 
them. Fast, light, soft, and enough traction for off road. The handlebars 
are the Sycip singles bar, which are no longer on their site. They are 
super wide, 26", and have a nice bend. So much nicer than drops, especially 
loaded and when on single track. 

Clayton 
Bend

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 8:48:07 PM UTC-8, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Looks super cool and functional,  well done man!   No wobble when its 
> loaded up?   Also what tires/ bars on your Atlantis?? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Philip Kim]

nvm...

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 10:17:26 AM UTC-5, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> The Blug now shows a Nitto 32 front rack mounted at the crown and the 
> mid-fork eyelets.
>
> Direct link to picture:
>
> http://40.media.tumblr.com/6b00eb375fb3d51e43cb026c16b24a91/tumblr_nwy5tsXN3B1qe3ngpo9_r1_540.jpg
>
>
> -Dave J
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> My guess is to bolt marks rack to the front. I think since these specced 
>> with V brakes, the Nitto 32 mini front rack wasn't going to clear the 
>> brakes to have a connection into the fork crown.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:02:07 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork 
>>> crown...are they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure 
>>> they're there for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:08:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a 
 few different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured 
 on the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
 bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  
 Folks 
 who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
 for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
 without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  

 Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
  Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
 awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
 pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
 self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 

 Bill


 On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
 wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did 
> you take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Hugh Smitham]

Kieran,

I didn't even consider that Chris's AHH had a new LT fork. Calling Chris!!

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Kieran J  wrote:

> I believe listmember Chris Chen had his damaged Hilsen rebuilt with a
> custom low-trail fork.
> Not sure if he has since reported on its resulting riding characteristics.
>
> KJ
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:44:24 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork
>> with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your
>> experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned.
>> Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect,
>> if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and
>> all that
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[BSWP]

The fork crown has no bolts. There are some threaded holes which could 
accept bolts, to aid in the securing of a front rack, or other things one 
might dream up that need fixing to the crown.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:02:07 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>

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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[hsmitham]

+1 on the curious side.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:44:24 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork 
> with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your 
> experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned. 
> Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect, 
> if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and 
> all that
>

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[RBW] Choco Bar question

[BSWP]

The new bar is shown using an exposed bolt head at the top of the stem. Is 
that by design, or perhaps just expediency in building up the sample bike? 
The other Bullmoose models all have a very clean recessed Allen bolt, which 
is preferable for many reasons. Aesthetics aside, the recessed bolt is less 
likely to scrape you or snag on things.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Kieran J]

I believe listmember Chris Chen had his damaged Hilsen rebuilt with a 
custom low-trail fork.
Not sure if he has since reported on its resulting riding characteristics.

KJ

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:44:24 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork 
> with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your 
> experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned. 
> Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect, 
> if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and 
> all that
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[David Johnston]

But the Production Crown does have a center bolt hole that could be
used for fender mounting and maybe a 32F  rack if the clearances of
the V brake straddle work out just right.  I think the 32F is more
elegant than the Marks rack, and has fewer bolts to get loose.

-Dave

On 11/5/15, David Banzer  wrote:
> The prototype - as seen with a 32F rack - does not have the production fork
>
> crown. The production fork crown for the Appaloosa will have mounts on top
> of the fork crown.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:48:58 AM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> The fork crown has no bolts. There are some threaded holes which could
>> accept bolts, to aid in the securing of a front rack, or other things one
>>
>> might dream up that need fixing to the crown.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:02:07 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are
>>>
>>> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there
>>>
>>> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 MUSA Wool T shirts - Cobalt Blue XL

[Zack]

i'll take them, let me know your paypal!

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 5:40:34 AM UTC-8, Julian wrote:
>
> FS: 2 indistinguishable from new Riv MUSA lightweight merino wool  XL 
> short sleeve t-shirts in cobalt blue. $70 shipped w/in the CONUS. Paypal 
> friends payment. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[David Banzer]

The prototype - as seen with a 32F rack - does not have the production fork 
crown. The production fork crown for the Appaloosa will have mounts on top 
of the fork crown.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:48:58 AM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>
> The fork crown has no bolts. There are some threaded holes which could 
> accept bolts, to aid in the securing of a front rack, or other things one 
> might dream up that need fixing to the crown.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:02:07 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
>> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
>> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS, a few Rivvy items: Grip Kings, Dirt Drop, Soma Portola, Non-aero levers

[Bill Lindsay]

Those Black Grip Kings are swank!  I never knew there was such a thing.  I 
might need to buy them and then swap parts between silvers and blacks to 
make two pairs of Oakland Raiders style pedals.  Gah!

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:56:05 AM UTC-8, Sofia Torres wrote:
>
> I have a few Rivish things to sell
>
> Two sets of Grip Kings, one silver, one black. The silver set I've ridden 
> for a while, so they are in nice used shape. The black ones I bought and 
> never installed, they look pretty much new. I have the thread-in spikes 
> that will fit either pedal. Let's say $40 shipped for the black pedals, $35 
> shipped for the silver. Add $5 if you want the spikes (only one baggie of 
> them available).
>
> A 8cm Nitto Dirt Drop in good used shape, still pretty but some scuffing 
> below and around the minimum insert line. $45 shipped
>
> Barely used (but a little tape residue) Soma Portola bars. 53cm version. 
> Didn't work for me, too wide. $50 shipped
>
> ENE Gran Compe non-aero levers with brown hoods, good used shape. $25 
> shipped
>
> I have pics of everything on my flickr but email if you need more, or if 
> you see something else you like on here, most of it is still available:   
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76468912@N07/albums/72157660686937205
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Montclair BobbyB]

Just received my 59 Clementine last evening... I'm buried in other stuff, 
but managed to quickly open the box and pull it out for a quick glimpse. 
 It's the orange (although not what I'd envisioned as "Clementine Orange", 
based on the prototype photos.  From that perspective I have to say I'm 
disappointed I had the whole clementine theme in my head, and even 
painted parts to come close to matching the original color.  This color 
will be difficult to match.

BUT, the Clem orange IS a beautiful shade of "orange" even if it's more a 
kind of salmon orange, IMO.  Once my brain processes this 
*altogether-different-than-what-I-expected* orange, I'm sure I'll figure 
out another use for the "orange parts" and proceed with my build... It 
looks like it will be a total gas to ride.

BB 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:58:29 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Frederick]

On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
tint than the photos on the Riv site.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:58:29 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[David Banzer]

And if you could report actual width as well I appreciate that. 
David
Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Hugh Smitham]

Hahahahaha. Not that strikes me funny.
On Nov 5, 2015 3:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> Definition of ATMO 
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now
>> it's on all his tweets.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> @josephremib
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a
>>> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on
>>> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new
>>> frame.
>>>
>>> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to
>>> order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be
>>> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like
>>> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of
>>> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the
>>> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met.
>>> >
>>> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one
>>> of his bikes!
>>> >
>>> > Cheers!
>>> > Chris
>>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Daniel Jackson]

I've taken the EX version of this tire on the dirt and paved roads of 
northern VT over the last month. About 50 miles on class 4 road, 200 miles 
on maintained dirt/gravel, and 200 miles on pavement

I'm 175 lbs. Ive settled on front at 35 PSI and rear at 45 PSI. 

Take following assessment with a grain of salt, as I switched out Marathon 
Supremes when I put these on - so the difference is rather drastic. That 
said, I have ridden EL Barlows on the same bike about a year ago, so 
appreciate the supple tire revolution.

Overall, they do what a supple tire should do, and I imagine the SLs do so 
as well as EL Barlows for a fraction of the price. Much of the road chatter 
and noise typical of the Supremes is significantly dampened by these 
beauties. I notice great grab while climbing through and cornering in the 
loose stuff, i.e., performance subjectively akin to EL Barlows.

I went with the EX because of where I ride and hope for longer life. A 
friend of mine has the SLs and I plan to swap out for comparison at some 
point - but I fear its time to put the Ice Spiker Pros back on for the 
coming snows. 

If you've never tried a supple tire, these are a great entry. If you've 
worn out your beautiful EL Compass tires, these would make a good cheaper 
alternative. TIME WILL TELL whether or not they're durable. 

They measure 40mm on my Velocity 700c Chukkar rims. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Wayne Naha]

iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
cracked the code here.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:52:09 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>>
>> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a 
>> bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>>
>  
> The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color to 
> it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint which 
> make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge  shout-out 
> to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided that I 
> didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final colors 
> would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with this 
> one. 
>
> These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
> snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
> built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
> in the missing windows on the frame!
>
>
> 
>
>
> As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator accidentally 
> put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should have been 
> facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one for now.  
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
> *before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
> tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
> easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
> fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
> highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
> reference will be lost on most people.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Joe Bernard]

What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now 
it's on all his tweets. 

Joe Bernard
@josephremib

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:

> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a 
> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on 
> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new 
> frame. 
>
> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order 
> a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be 
> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like 
> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of 
> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the 
> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
> > 
> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of 
> his bikes! 
> > 
> > Cheers! 
> > Chris 
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[RBW] WTB: Some Green Backabike rear bags

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd like to buy some of THESE   
Riv rear backabike panniers in GREEN.  

Riv is all out of green, and I'd like to match the fronts I already have. 
 If nobody has any, I'll buy a pair of Grey from Riv.  I'm open to trades 
(Bay Area preferred)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Portland Nov 4 to the 14th

[Aaron Young]

This might be better if moved to the masonhill list (local PDX-ers), but
until then how about Friday night Mov. 6 for beers at Velo Cult?

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, November 5, 2015, MTR  wrote:

> Hey guys thanks for reaching out. That ride sounds great, but I have an
> Underwater Hockey (yeah it's a real thing) tournament that day. Keep me
> posted. I would love to grab a beer and ride bikes.
> Morgan
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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Mark Reimer]

80, holy smokes! If you would entertain a request, could you also report
back how they feel at 30 or 40 psi? These are the Supple Vitesse EX tires,
yes?

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:40 PM, ant ritchey 
wrote:

> Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) on
> my Hilsen.
>
> Pumped 'em to 80 (they are 75 max) and picked up a pretty little shard of
> brown glass exactly 2.5 blocks from my house!
>
> Will report back soon enough, hopefully.
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> There was a lot of pleading and whining on the mailing lists asking for
>> wide 700Cs.  I think that pleading finally won Jan over.
>>
>> On 11/02/2015 06:18 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has
>> been that whatever the wheel size, there is an optimum sweet spot for
>> plushness, speed, handling, and it so happens that when you measure wheel
>> plus tire, the total circumference is almost equal. I think it is something
>> like 700C = 32mm, 650B = 42mm, 26" = 52mm. When you start going beyond a
>> 700 x 35, I think the handling starts to get a bit weird. Plus your bike
>> starts to get pretty jacked, unless it was designed for monster tires to
>> begin with. I rode a bike with 700 x 41C Nimbus tires for a few years in
>> the early 90s. I wasn't such a tire snob back then, and I've since heard
>> the Nimbus series were considered dogs(no doubt stiff sidewalls, they were
>> probably also belted), but it was about the only thing going in a wide road
>> tire back then. I found it just fine for city riding, but a bit sluggish in
>> the turns. The bike was built with those tires in mind, but there was
>> barely any clearance, never mind fenders.
>>
>> I realize he sells tires, and so the BQ Jan must accommodate the Compass
>> Jan, and Compass is already beyond his stated optimums in both 700C and
>> 650B with the latest tire offerings (and I may go for a pair of Switchbacks
>> at some point.) But anyway, at some point, how much is enough already? He
>> has even said the Rat Traps are occasionally a bit overly bouncy on the
>> road.
>>
>> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 4:35:32 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote:
>>>
>>> The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not far
>>> behind to offer it's own 700x38mm.
>>>
>>> I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's worth
>>> asking again.
>>>
>>> Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to purchase? :)
>>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>
> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
> tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>
 
The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color to 
it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint which 
make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge  shout-out 
to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided that I 
didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final colors 
would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with this 
one. 

These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
in the missing windows on the frame!




As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator accidentally 
put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should have been 
facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one for now.  






Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
*before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
reference will be lost on most people.





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[RBW] Re: FS, a few Rivvy items: Grip Kings, Dirt Drop, Soma Portola, Non-aero levers

[Bill Lindsay]

Somebubba thought of it already




On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 12:21:40 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Those Black Grip Kings are swank!  I never knew there was such a thing.  I 
> might need to buy them and then swap parts between silvers and blacks to 
> make two pairs of Oakland Raiders style pedals.  Gah!
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:56:05 AM UTC-8, Sofia Torres wrote:
>>
>> I have a few Rivish things to sell
>>
>> Two sets of Grip Kings, one silver, one black. The silver set I've ridden 
>> for a while, so they are in nice used shape. The black ones I bought and 
>> never installed, they look pretty much new. I have the thread-in spikes 
>> that will fit either pedal. Let's say $40 shipped for the black pedals, $35 
>> shipped for the silver. Add $5 if you want the spikes (only one baggie of 
>> them available).
>>
>> A 8cm Nitto Dirt Drop in good used shape, still pretty but some scuffing 
>> below and around the minimum insert line. $45 shipped
>>
>> Barely used (but a little tape residue) Soma Portola bars. 53cm version. 
>> Didn't work for me, too wide. $50 shipped
>>
>> ENE Gran Compe non-aero levers with brown hoods, good used shape. $25 
>> shipped
>>
>> I have pics of everything on my flickr but email if you need more, or if 
>> you see something else you like on here, most of it is still available:   
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76468912@N07/albums/72157660686937205
>>
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[RBW] Re: AHH 700sea to 650be

[ant ritchey]

Thanks for the info!

Twas a silly idea, I realize.  Yet- I had a lead on a sweet pair of 650b 
wheels and thought maybe?

The Soma 700x42's are on there now so the 650b AHH glint in my eye has 
subsided.

On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 9:53:58 AM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> anyone play around with swapping out the 700's for 650's?
>
> i've got a big (65) waterford AHH, some tektro long reach and paul racers 
> layin' around.
>
> currently not a 650b wheel in the house to throw in there so i'm bringing 
> my curio to thee list.
>
> any info much appreciated!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/05/2015 05:40 PM, ant ritchey wrote:
Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) 
on my Hilsen.


Pumped 'em to 80 (they are 75 max)


Why???



and picked up a pretty little shard of brown glass exactly 2.5 blocks 
from my house!


Will report back soon enough, hopefully.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Hugh Smitham]

That's "now" ATMO.
On Nov 5, 2015 3:46 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> Hahahahaha. Not that strikes me funny.
> On Nov 5, 2015 3:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:
>
>> Definition of ATMO 
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now
>>> it's on all his tweets.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> @josephremib
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
 AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a
 multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on
 existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new
 frame.

 All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray 
 wrote:
 >
 > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to
 order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be
 taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like
 someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of
 someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the
 metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met.
 >
 > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one
 of his bikes!
 >
 > Cheers!
 > Chris
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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Justin August]

Rene had low trail/neutral forks made for her Atlantis and Hunkypillar. As 
far as I know it was nothing but love for the experience. I've been curious 
about this for my Saluki as well.

-J

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:44:24 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork 
> with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your 
> experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned. 
> Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect, 
> if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and 
> all that
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Re: [RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Mike Schiller]

I saw that after Bob built the new fork that it was lower trail.I've 
seen and heard of Atlantis's, Hunqa,  and Rams with replacement low trail 
forks too.
The 700C model is a  better option than the 650B model because of the 
steeper fork rake IMO.   But  YMMV.  

~mike

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Kieran,
>
> I didn't even consider that Chris's AHH had a new LT fork. Calling Chris!! 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Kieran J  
> wrote:
>
>> I believe listmember Chris Chen had his damaged Hilsen rebuilt with a 
>> custom low-trail fork.
>> Not sure if he has since reported on its resulting riding characteristics.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:44:24 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork 
>>> with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your 
>>> experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned. 
>>> Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect, 
>>> if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and 
>>> all that
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[RBW] Re: basket bags

[Justin August]

I wonder if you soaked this in Nikwax you could waterproof it

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>
> Thank you for the heads up on this bag. It's nice to know there is a good 
> Shop Shack alternative at a reasonable price.
>  
> JohnS
>  
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 10:40:17 AM UTC-4, Beth H wrote:
>
>> For those who can't spring for a basket bag from RBW, 
>> A non-waterproof alternative exists at Wald, US makers of fine bicycle 
>> basketry. 
>>
>>
>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1372-navy-blue-bag/
>>
>>
>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1392-navy-blue-bag/
>>
>> The downer is that they're not waterproof so probably better for Phoenix 
>> than for Seattle. Still they fit baskets nicely.
>> Cheers and happy riding!
>> Beth in pdx
>> -- 
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>> Jewish educator, songleader & cantorial soloist
>> http://www.beth-hamon-music.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[ant ritchey]

Just slapped a pair of the lighter versions (whatever they're called) on my 
Hilsen.

Pumped 'em to 80 (they are 75 max) and picked up a pretty little shard of 
brown glass exactly 2.5 blocks from my house!

Will report back soon enough, hopefully.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 3:28:01 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There was a lot of pleading and whining on the mailing lists asking for 
> wide 700Cs.  I think that pleading finally won Jan over.
>
> On 11/02/2015 06:18 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has 
> been that whatever the wheel size, there is an optimum sweet spot for 
> plushness, speed, handling, and it so happens that when you measure wheel 
> plus tire, the total circumference is almost equal. I think it is something 
> like 700C = 32mm, 650B = 42mm, 26" = 52mm. When you start going beyond a 
> 700 x 35, I think the handling starts to get a bit weird. Plus your bike 
> starts to get pretty jacked, unless it was designed for monster tires to 
> begin with. I rode a bike with 700 x 41C Nimbus tires for a few years in 
> the early 90s. I wasn't such a tire snob back then, and I've since heard 
> the Nimbus series were considered dogs(no doubt stiff sidewalls, they were 
> probably also belted), but it was about the only thing going in a wide road 
> tire back then. I found it just fine for city riding, but a bit sluggish in 
> the turns. The bike was built with those tires in mind, but there was 
> barely any clearance, never mind fenders.
>
> I realize he sells tires, and so the BQ Jan must accommodate the Compass 
> Jan, and Compass is already beyond his stated optimums in both 700C and 
> 650B with the latest tire offerings (and I may go for a pair of Switchbacks 
> at some point.) But anyway, at some point, how much is enough already? He 
> has even said the Rat Traps are occasionally a bit overly bouncy on the 
> road. 
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 4:35:32 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote: 
>>
>> The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not far 
>> behind to offer it's own 700x38mm. 
>>
>> I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's worth 
>> asking again. 
>>
>> Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to purchase? :)
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Portland Nov 4 to the 14th

[MTR]

Hey guys thanks for reaching out. That ride sounds great, but I have an 
Underwater Hockey (yeah it's a real thing) tournament that day. Keep me posted. 
I would love to grab a beer and ride bikes. 
Morgan 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Bill Lindsay]

Definition of ATMO 

:-)  :-)



On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now 
> it's on all his tweets. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> @josephremib
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a 
>> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on 
>> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new 
>> frame. 
>>
>> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be. 
>>
>> --Eric N 
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to 
>> order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be 
>> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like 
>> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of 
>> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the 
>> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
>> > 
>> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of 
>> his bikes! 
>> > 
>> > Cheers! 
>> > Chris 
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[RBW] Re: basket bags

[Julian]

John, 

The fabric is pu coated -- I believe it is waterproof (it passed my tap 
test, not used it in real rain yet), but the zipper and seams are not -- 
but neither are the ShopSack's. Like that bag, I'd call this highly water 
resistant, but if you cannot afford for something to get wet (camera, 
phone, etc) it would be wise to protect those things in plastic bag inside 
the sack -- regardless if you use a Wald or a Riv bag. 

Regards, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:34:31 PM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> I wonder if you soaked this in Nikwax you could waterproof it
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the heads up on this bag. It's nice to know there is a good 
>> Shop Shack alternative at a reasonable price.
>>  
>> JohnS
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 10:40:17 AM UTC-4, Beth H wrote:
>>
>>> For those who can't spring for a basket bag from RBW, 
>>> A non-waterproof alternative exists at Wald, US makers of fine bicycle 
>>> basketry. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1372-navy-blue-bag/
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1392-navy-blue-bag/
>>>
>>> The downer is that they're not waterproof so probably better for Phoenix 
>>> than for Seattle. Still they fit baskets nicely.
>>> Cheers and happy riding!
>>> Beth in pdx
>>> -- 
>>> Beth Hamon
>>> Jewish educator, songleader & cantorial soloist
>>> http://www.beth-hamon-music.com
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The top dropout eyelets are M6 as well. I've been piecing mine together 
slowly in my office, making a list of parts to bring the next day to add 
during my lunch hour. M6 bolts are now on that list.
Also, I just mounted a Nitto R15 rack on the front, and wasn't too happy 
with the result, probably because it looks exactly like I should have 
expected - a rear rack mounted up front. I think I'll either be going for a 
Haulin Colin rack or get a custom rack made to utilize the top mounts.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-6, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Edwin. the beefier ones are M6, I actually weird was already used to that 
> because my previous frame did that too. (to others reading in, the two rack 
> mounts immediately forwards of the drops are M6, all the other braze-ons 
> are M5)  So, my rack stays were already drilled out for the larger bolt and 
> it was pretty easy for my attempt. Luckily the Lowes out here finally 
> started carrying stainless metric hex cap bolts, so, while the price each 
> was highway robbery I upgraded from the black steel ones I'd been using 
> previously to some nice stainless for this. I didn't have any problems with 
> the head tube, my Technomic can sink pretty deep into it, so, no idea how 
> to help you there, but I wish you best of luck sorting it out! Looking 
> forward to seeing pics of more builds come out.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:29:19 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Zed,
>>
>> Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a 
>> few hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a 
>> few things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
>> One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think 
>> (standard) and some are bigger. Beefier?
>> I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The 
>> hoods on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of 
>> my pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
>> I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
>> I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The 
>> bar I had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
>> Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does 
>> it taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
>> When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they 
>> were so cheap!
>> Learning, learning,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The grey turned out lovely - I went for that color as well, hemmed and 
hawed after I chose it, but am really glad I stuck with it.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:00:35 PM UTC-6, Frederick wrote:
>
> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
> tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:58:29 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Here you will see:
>>
>>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> Edwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

[Christopher Jones]

This is really interesting. How did you form the plastic snapdeck on the 
bottom? 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:01:47 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> No wobble at all, when all wrapped up tight.  I was actually shocked how 
> tight the load (tent and pad) is secured.  The secret is in the flex wings 
> and the two side straps (they attach  to the mid rails of the rack) that 
> tighten the load, by pulling down on the wings after you roll down the top. 
>  I haven't tried riding with a full bag of groceries in spinnaker mode yet. 
>  I have a hunch, it will be very unstablelol.  The spinnaker mode is 
> kind of a joke due to the bag being so big, but it actually has some merit 
> in holding the bag open while loading, and it should block some of the cold 
> from hitting my thighs, when it's in the twenties...
>
> The Tires are from VEE rubber. VEE made Intense's super fast fat Micro 
> Knobby, which I loved. Intense dropped them, so I went looking at VEE's 
> tires for something similar. The tires are the MK3 model, 2.20".  Love 
> them. Fast, light, soft, and enough traction for off road. The handlebars 
> are the Sycip singles bar, which are no longer on their site. They are 
> super wide, 26", and have a nice bend. So much nicer than drops, especially 
> loaded and when on single track. 
>
> Clayton 
> Bend
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 8:48:07 PM UTC-8, Michael Williams wrote:
>>
>> Looks super cool and functional,  well done man!   No wobble when its 
>> loaded up?   Also what tires/ bars on your Atlantis?? 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS, a few Rivvy items: Grip Kings, Dirt Drop, Soma Portola, Non-aero levers

[Sofia Torres]

Only the Silver grip kings are sold pending payment. Everything else has 
been claimed and paid for. Thanks all!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Evan E.]

If I recall, Richard Sachs doesn't just use "ATMO" as shorthand for 
"according to my opinion." He also uses it as a period, a comma, an 
interjection, a pause! Anyway, he certainly makes beautiful and functional 
bicycles—and he's inspired and helped many, many riders and builders over 
the years.

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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Patrick D Kelly]

I don't really know anything about bike geometry, but I 
used http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php to do some calculations 
of trail for some bikes. For comparison, I used a tire width of 45mm. These 
are all 700c wheel bikes.

56 surly lht (700c): 70mm

19 marin muirwoods 29er: 66mm

54 hunqapillar: 64mm

56 sam hillborne: 62mm

55 joe appaloosa: 57mm

As I said, I really don't know what I'm doing here, but this still seems 
interesting to me. I'm wondering if the joe appaloosa having lower trail 
than the others is in anyway related to it having longer chainstays. Or is 
this just a general move in the direction of lower trail? Another variable 
here would be expected tire size. I've done all my calculations with the 
same tire size, but clearly these bikes are designed with different size 
tires in mind.


On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:15:05 PM UTC-10, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I looked into this when I wrecked my Saluki fork...  I discussed it with 
> Rob at OAC and Chris Bishop of Bishop Bikes...  They both felt like the 
> HT/ST angles weren't ideal for a LT fork.  Not sure if it was more of an 
> excess of caution or an understanding that it wasn't a good call.  My frame 
> is a 60cm 650b.
>
> Anyway I went with a Riv/Waterford oem replacement... Which has been fine. 
>  The bike handles as well as ever.  
>
> I'm still low trail curious but not upset i didn't experiment with the 
> Saluki.
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah, I get I could have Googled it. Having the question asked here where 
others could see the answer seemed more useful/entertaining to me. 

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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Lungimsam]

Since the frame isn't made as a 650b bike though, wouldn't it never really 
handle like a true 650b AHH bike, if there were to be such a thing?

I know the top tube is going to lose some tilt as the front end drops due 
to the LT fork, as I think I read about this happening in the BQ mag once 
when a friend of Jan's had his fork re-raked, to good effect though.
Not really sure, just curious about this. Or does it not matter whether any 
given frame goes with a LT, MT, or HT fork?

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Kainalu]

Good call. One Shot's good stuff, but not any more nasty than any other oil 
based paint these days. If you can find a freakishly well preserved NOS can 
from the good old days you might score yourself some extra beautiful leaded 
paint, but any One Shot you find on your local art supply shelves will be lead 
free. 
-Kai
with two green bikes, and many perfectly matching green lug windows, in 
Brooklyn 

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large - Olive

[Michael Ullmer]

I have this for sale locally on CL here in Seattle. Details about the bag 
are in the CL post.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/5270112048.html

$180 shipped CONUS, discount if you pick it up locally.


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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

The really nasty stuff that is really good is OneShot.  It's nasty and it's 
good because it is lead based.  Art stores have it as "sign paint".  I used 
robinsegg blue as a lug liner and fender pinstriping on a restoration.  

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:44:12 PM UTC-8, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
> detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
> cracked the code here.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:52:09 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>>>
>>> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a 
>>> bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>>>
>>  
>> The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color 
>> to it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint 
>> which make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge 
>>  shout-out to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided 
>> that I didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final 
>> colors would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with 
>> this one. 
>>
>> These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
>> snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
>> built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
>> in the missing windows on the frame!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator 
>> accidentally put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should 
>> have been facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one 
>> for now.  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
>> *before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
>> tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
>> easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
>> fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
>> highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
>> reference will be lost on most people.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Mitch Browne]

> Received Soma SL's this afternoon. I now have an SL on front and EX on 
> rear both mounted on Velocity Dyad rims.
>
> New SL reads 37.4 mm @ 41.4 PSI
> One week old EX reads 40 mm @ 41.2 PSI
>
> I won't have a chance to ride around but as expected the SL tread feels 
> similar to the Compass Barlow Pass EL I have unmounted. The side wall of SL 
> and EX are the same and have a sort of waxy feel compared to Compass but 
> they're pretty supple.
>
Steve Palincsar recollects Jan had a written opinion on 700c max tire size. 
Coincidentally I was reading VBQ Vol 2 number 3 from winter 2004 and found 
"Choosing Your Wheels: History, Comfort and Rolling Resistance."  He makes 
a case for a "golden mean"  that's achieved with 700c x 25 and 650b x 38. 
His escape comment in the conclusion is "Whether this is arbitrary or 
really results in the most pleasant handling bike remains unknown." 

I'd say in the intervening 10+ yrs he's softened his conclusion and 
accomodates wider tires in his supple equation. For me commuting in the 
dark to work and running errands around town over the years I've found 42mm 
Schwalbes worked well for cracks, roots, branches etc. For me 42+mm of any 
tire is preferred for the type of riding I do.

His article also mentioned the not as robust nature of supple tires which 
painfully I've found true. I now have Stan's in my tubes and tire wipes 
installed. I may add a rabitt's foot (or lucky charm) if all else fails.

My conclusion. Supple tires are comfortable and fun but can be painful with 
flats or replacement cost.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA

 

>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Low Trail Hilsen?

[Tony DeFilippo]

I looked into this when I wrecked my Saluki fork...  I discussed it with Rob at 
OAC and Chris Bishop of Bishop Bikes...  They both felt like the HT/ST angles 
weren't ideal for a LT fork.  Not sure if it was more of an excess of caution 
or an understanding that it wasn't a good call.  My frame is a 60cm 650b.

Anyway I went with a Riv/Waterford oem replacement... Which has been fine.  The 
bike handles as well as ever.  

I'm still low trail curious but not upset i didn't experiment with the Saluki.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Christopher, I used a heat gun with gloves. Some closed cell foam helps too, 
for some molding. I molded the hooks on the rack, took the plate off and heated 
the hooks again, and then just barely tightened the hooks by hand, and hold 
'till cool.  No rattle.
Clayton(Bend)
 


 On Thursday, November 5, 2015 12:48 PM, Christopher Jones 
 wrote:
   

 This is really interesting. How did you form the plastic snapdeck on the 
bottom? 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:01:47 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
No wobble at all, when all wrapped up tight.  I was actually shocked how tight 
the load (tent and pad) is secured.  The secret is in the flex wings and the 
two side straps (they attach  to the mid rails of the rack) that tighten the 
load, by pulling down on the wings after you roll down the top.  I haven't 
tried riding with a full bag of groceries in spinnaker mode yet.  I have a 
hunch, it will be very unstablelol.  The spinnaker mode is kind of a joke 
due to the bag being so big, but it actually has some merit in holding the bag 
open while loading, and it should block some of the cold from hitting my 
thighs, when it's in the twenties...

The Tires are from VEE rubber. VEE made Intense's super fast fat Micro Knobby, 
which I loved. Intense dropped them, so I went looking at VEE's tires for 
something similar. The tires are the MK3 model, 2.20".  Love them. Fast, light, 
soft, and enough traction for off road. The handlebars are the Sycip singles 
bar, which are no longer on their site. They are super wide, 26", and have a 
nice bend. So much nicer than drops, especially loaded and when on single 
track. 
Clayton Bend

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 8:48:07 PM UTC-8, Michael Williams wrote:
Looks super cool and functional,  well done man!   No wobble when its loaded 
up?   Also what tires/ bars on your Atlantis?? 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Steve Palincsar]

Actually, it stands for "According To My Opinion"

On 11/05/2015 06:41 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Definition of ATMO 

:-)  :-)



On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with
it..now it's on all his tweets.



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[RBW] FS: Mollusk chino Walk Shorts.

[mizrachi]

If these don't sell here I'm sure someone will snag them on jamboards, a surf 
forum I'm active on.  

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[RBW] Re: basket bags

[JohnS]

Thank you for the heads up on this bag. It's nice to know there is a good 
Shop Shack alternative at a reasonable price.
 
JohnS
 

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 10:40:17 AM UTC-4, Beth H wrote:

> For those who can't spring for a basket bag from RBW, 
> A non-waterproof alternative exists at Wald, US makers of fine bicycle 
> basketry. 
>
>
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1372-navy-blue-bag/
>
>
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1392-navy-blue-bag/
>
> The downer is that they're not waterproof so probably better for Phoenix 
> than for Seattle. Still they fit baskets nicely.
> Cheers and happy riding!
> Beth in pdx
> -- 
> Beth Hamon
> Jewish educator, songleader & cantorial soloist
> http://www.beth-hamon-music.com
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat pedal shoes

[Marc40a]

On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 9:49:56 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> What's a good choice for functional cycling shoes for flat pedals that 
> look like cycling shoes (not like oxfords or Birkenstocks)? 
>
> Asking for a friend. 
>
> Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 
 
I wear Adidas Superstars (the shell toe shoes) with a Specialized (the 
brand as opposed to a synonym for 'custom') orthotic insert. I also have a 
couple of thin plastic wedges in one shoe that were recommended when I had 
a fitting done. 
 
I like the rubber shell toes because I use half clips or half cages on my 
bikes.  I also am a fan of the cultural nod to early hip hop and the fact 
that they've been available for the past 35 + years. They're not going to 
get replaced by the next latest-and-greatest. I hoard enough stuff - it's 
nice to know that these are something that I can count on obtaining without 
stockpiling.  
 
 

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[RBW] Low Trail Hilsen?

[Brian Campbell]

I was curious if anyone on the list had ever replaced the stock AHH fork 
with a lower trail fork to change the handling? If you have, what was your 
experience?  I have a 61cm AHH and love it as is, no changes planned. 
Having read lots about trail/handling etc, I was wondering what the effect, 
if any, it would have on the AHH frame? Inquiring minds want to know and 
all that

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Dave Johnston]

The Blug now shows a Nitto 32 front rack mounted at the crown and the 
mid-fork eyelets.

Direct link to picture:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/6b00eb375fb3d51e43cb026c16b24a91/tumblr_nwy5tsXN3B1qe3ngpo9_r1_540.jpg


-Dave J

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> My guess is to bolt marks rack to the front. I think since these specced 
> with V brakes, the Nitto 32 mini front rack wasn't going to clear the 
> brakes to have a connection into the fork crown.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:02:07 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
>> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
>> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:08:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a few 
>>> different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured on 
>>> the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
>>> bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  Folks 
>>> who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
>>> for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
>>> without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  
>>>
>>> Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
>>>  Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
>>> awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
>>> pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
>>> self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
>>> wrote:

 Bill,

 I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you 
 take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 

 Thanks!
 Chris



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[RBW] Re: basket bags

[Julian]

I just got one of the 1392 bags today. It's the larger of the two, and is a 
bit smaller than the large Riv Shopsack. 

It is made from a medium weight coated "cordura-type" nylon fabric -- I'd 
wager it is as watertight as the Riv bags. Very nicely finished -- taped 
and sewn seams inside, with taped edges at the top as well, so the zipper 
interface is finished (which it is not on the Riv bags). 

The bag has long carry straps that are sewn onto the front and rear of the 
bag all the way down to the bottom seam, which should distribute the load 
well, with little chance of strap tear out (although unless you're carrying 
your lead collection, that's not likely to be an issue with the Riv bags 
either!). The front straps have 2 ~10" reflective bands on the bag, there's 
a loop on the front where you can clip a "see-me" blinkie, and there are 
velcro loops front and back to attach to a basket. 

The zipper is a large coil zipper -- very beefy. The zipper brand is AP -- 
I do not know them -- the Riv bags use venerable YKK coil zippers in a 
smaller size. 

I'm impressed with this bag. Well built, nicely finished. I'd rate this bag 
as a real bargain at the price. 

Regards, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 


On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 9:40:17 AM UTC-5, Beth H wrote:
>
> For those who can't spring for a basket bag from RBW, 
> A non-waterproof alternative exists at Wald, US makers of fine bicycle 
> basketry. 
>
>
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1372-navy-blue-bag/
>
>
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/bags-and-liners/1392-navy-blue-bag/
>
> The downer is that they're not waterproof so probably better for Phoenix 
> than for Seattle. Still they fit baskets nicely.
> Cheers and happy riding!
> Beth in pdx
> -- 
> Beth Hamon
> Jewish educator, songleader & cantorial soloist
> http://www.beth-hamon-music.com
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 MUSA Wool T shirts - Cobalt Blue XL

[Julian]

A couple of clarifications: 

1) These are t-shirts -- they have no pockets. 
2) They have flat seam construction. 
3) The price of $70 is for both (2 shirts), shipped. 

Thanks! 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:40:34 AM UTC-6, Julian wrote:
>
> FS: 2 indistinguishable from new Riv MUSA lightweight merino wool  XL 
> short sleeve t-shirts in cobalt blue. $70 shipped w/in the CONUS. Paypal 
> friends payment. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] FS, a few Rivvy items: Grip Kings, Dirt Drop, Soma Portola, Non-aero levers

[Sofia Torres]

I have a few Rivish things to sell

Two sets of Grip Kings, one silver, one black. The silver set I've ridden 
for a while, so they are in nice used shape. The black ones I bought and 
never installed, they look pretty much new. I have the thread-in spikes 
that will fit either pedal. Let's say $40 shipped for the black pedals, $35 
shipped for the silver. Add $5 if you want the spikes (only one baggie of 
them available).

A 8cm Nitto Dirt Drop in good used shape, still pretty but some scuffing 
below and around the minimum insert line. $45 shipped

Barely used (but a little tape residue) Soma Portola bars. 53cm version. 
Didn't work for me, too wide. $50 shipped

ENE Gran Compe non-aero levers with brown hoods, good used shape. $25 
shipped

I have pics of everything on my flickr but email if you need more, or if 
you see something else you like on here, most of it is still available:   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76468912@N07/albums/72157660686937205

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[RBW] Re: FS, a few Rivvy items: Grip Kings, Dirt Drop, Soma Portola, Non-aero levers

[Zed Martinez]

I'm interested in the dirt drop stem, I'll shoot you a PM.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5, Sofia Torres wrote:
>
> I have a few Rivish things to sell
>
> Two sets of Grip Kings, one silver, one black. The silver set I've ridden 
> for a while, so they are in nice used shape. The black ones I bought and 
> never installed, they look pretty much new. I have the thread-in spikes 
> that will fit either pedal. Let's say $40 shipped for the black pedals, $35 
> shipped for the silver. Add $5 if you want the spikes (only one baggie of 
> them available).
>
> A 8cm Nitto Dirt Drop in good used shape, still pretty but some scuffing 
> below and around the minimum insert line. $45 shipped
>
> Barely used (but a little tape residue) Soma Portola bars. 53cm version. 
> Didn't work for me, too wide. $50 shipped
>
> ENE Gran Compe non-aero levers with brown hoods, good used shape. $25 
> shipped
>
> I have pics of everything on my flickr but email if you need more, or if 
> you see something else you like on here, most of it is still available:   
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76468912@N07/albums/72157660686937205
>

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[RBW] FS: 2 MUSA Wool T shirts - Cobalt Blue XL

[Julian]

FS: 2 indistinguishable from new Riv MUSA lightweight merino wool  XL short 
sleeve t-shirts in cobalt blue. $70 shipped w/in the CONUS. Paypal friends 
payment. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

Here you will see:

   1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as it 
   will go without a hammer, it seems.
   2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
   That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
   3. The tightness with the rack plate.
   






Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Philip Kim]

My guess is to bolt marks rack to the front. I think since these specced 
with V brakes, the Nitto 32 mini front rack wasn't going to clear the 
brakes to have a connection into the fork crown.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:02:07 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:08:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a few 
>> different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured on 
>> the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
>> bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  Folks 
>> who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
>> for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
>> without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  
>>
>> Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
>>  Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
>> awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
>> pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
>> self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you 
>>> take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The stem should go in more - I'd give Riv a call. Don't use a hammer!
I had some resistance with my seatpost going in, lotsa grease helped, but 
there was a few rough spots on the inside of the seattube.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:58:29 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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