Re: [RBW] Removing powder coat from canti brake studs

[Tim Gavin]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> If it turned out looking that good, and at $150.00.
> Whats the shop info?  Its always good to have options for the future.
> Scott
>

Scott-

The shop is Rainbow Paint and Blasting in Cedar Rapids, IA.
http://rainbowrpb.com/

The bike shop I work part-time for (Northtowne Bikes in Cedar Rapids)
recommends them for all customer powder requests.  Some folks will order a
Surly and have it powder-coated a custom color before assembly.

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[RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Edwin W]

>
> I remember reading that piece by Jan Heine and was surprised that front 
> brake stopped quicker than both brakes. A bit counter-intuitive to me, at 
> the time. Since then I notice that I rarely use the rear brake and seem to 
> never "need it." 
>
I don't do much touring or long rides with long descents, but maybe to 
distribute the braking and heat production on a long descent?

I will be interested to hear others' opinions.

Edwin 

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Re: [RBW] Removing powder coat from canti brake studs

[Scott Henry]

If it turned out looking that good, and at $150.00.
Whats the shop info?  Its always good to have options for the future.
Scott

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I recently had the frame and fork of my '88 Schwinn KOM blasted and powder
> coated.  I went with a clear powder with a little sparkle in it, and it
> looks fantastic.  I'll post pictures once I take some.
>
> The blast and powder was less than $150 total (hooray!) but the shop
> didn't mask the brake posts on the fork or frame (boo!).  The cantilever
> (and U-brake) calipers don't fit over the now-thicker posts.  This shop is
> regarded well for bicycle jobs, so perhaps they assigned it to a new guy
> that day.
>
> What's the best method to remove the powder coat from these spots?
>
>- Sandpaper?  Start with very coarse grit and work finer?
>- Wire brush?  I think I have one for my Dremel tool
>- Chem stripper?  I could brush it on precisely with a paintbrush
>- Razor blade?  (whittling method) May be the easiest way to start
>
> Regardless of the method, I'll fit a washer around the base of the post to
> protect the rest of the frame from my efforts.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
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[RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Kainalu]

Rear brakes are nice, even life saving when pulling a heavy trailer. Maybe you 
don't think you'll be pulling one today, but tomorrow?
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[David Banzer]

Hi Drew,
The tread pattern is just little dots, so there's not much to wear out. And 
the tread isn't very thick. That's the tradeoff I suppose for fast and 
comfortable. I don't expect the tread to wear as long as a Super Moto 
tread. Obviously no flat protection on these, I'll be swapping in 
superlight tubes and Stan's sealant - I think the superlight tubes with 
sealant will be about the same weight or a little less than the regular 
tubes that I'm using now. The lower pressure needed for these tires means 
that they'll be less likely to pick up debris, but we'll see.
The snow/ice in Chicago has melted a bit, but with colder temps expected, 
I'll most likely swap in Smart Sams, so a durability test will have to wait 
until I get the chance to ride these on a regular basis.
David
in surprisingly warm 42degree Chicago

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> nice to see these on a real  bike. ive been curious. what are your 
> feelings about their durability for urban riding? Likely wishful thinking? 
> also, what rims are you using these with?
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Bill M.]

On a long descent using the rear brake lets the rear wheel share some of 
the heat load.  A good thing on any bike, even more vital on a tandem or 
when running tubulars to avoid softening the glue.

Redundant brakes are good thing, too.

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:44:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I just reinstalled the rear brake on the '03 Curt, because I wanted to use 
> the 18 t (66") freewheel on the flip side of the rear hub. This is 
> annoying, to me, because I have become so used to the ease of fender 
> installation and wheel installation and removal that you have without a 
> rear caliper messing things up (damned modern complications).
>
> I'm very used to having only a front brake (operated with a right-side 
> lever, of course; what else would you use???) and only install a rear with 
> a freewheel, since I've been told I shall *die* if I don't have a backup 
> brake.
>
> So, is the principal use of a rear brake merely as a backup should your 
> front one fail? Are there other uses? I guess if one is accustomed to 
> taking corners at the fastest speed possible, a rear brake for small, 
> precise speed adjustments without unduly loading the front tire, might make 
> sense; but does this make sense in fact?
>
> My first bike had a freewheel and no brake except my right Ked shoved onto 
> the front tire between the fork blades -- and I rode this thing on steep, 
> winding downhills and in heavy urban traffic. (OK, I was 15.) So a good, 
> solid front brake seems -- dare I say it? -- sufficient. Tell me why I am 
> wrong.
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[LeahFoy]

Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof. How can anyone 
look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends with a garish image of that 
revolting Giant (ok, that is harsh, but you know my feelings about Giant these 
days, see kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over that other 
useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was laughing at that point, 
but stopped when I realized he was serious. Oh well, it takes all kinds, I 
suppose.

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[RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Ryan Ray]

If found that my canti brakes prefer a little rear pressure when stopping at 
the bottom of a hill or to slow me down on long descents.

Disc brake bike manufacturers recommend rear brakeing in order to not stop on a 
dime and damage your fork/spokes too. 

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[RBW] Re: Yeah I'm on a roll! It must be winter.

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

I've never seen that patch before..
Congrats Hugh you are in an elite crowd for sure!
Jon

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 1:47:40 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Another patch earned. Feels like my Boy Scouts days.
>
> Here .
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[drew]

im the one to blame hugh. youre one of the most proactive guys out there 
when it comes to bike community stuff. its on me and my unpredictable 
schedule. 

the desert waterfall is in havasupai. definitely recommended and not 
entirely impossible to get to. 


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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[El Sapo]

I have the marathon supremes and the big apple tires on other bikes. 1.6, 2.0 
supremes and 2.1 big apple. I got the supremes for easier rolling and higher 
pressure. I weigh 190. Turns out that the big apples roll better. Significantly 
better. I changed out the bearings on one of my bikes because I thought It 
should be rolling easier than the the bike with the big apples. So this is 
totally scientific LOL. Love the 27.5 and can't wait to roll on the big ones. 

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

[David Person]

May not be worth the effort depending on how far the store is where you 
bought the Giant, but if it's only been 5 months it would still be under 
warrantee and if there is an issue with the hub that is causing excessive 
resistance then they should fix it for free.  Just a thought, and might get 
you more $$ when you do sell it.

David Person

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> This morning started out rather horrifyingly. Our bike commute to school 
> is almost 2.5 miles downhill, and most of that at a precarious grade. As we 
> were entering the grounds my older son says, "Mom, my brakes barely work." 
> And wow, just wow. I don't know at what point they failed, but squeezed all 
> the way, the brakes barely even slowed the bike. A miracle from God Himself 
> that we did not have a major accident. I kissed the boys goodbye, headed 
> home and returned with the van. I decided to use this opportunity to fix 
> the Specialized's brakes and have a little chat with a bike mechanic about 
> the Giant. 
>
> I didn't go to the LBS where I bought the Giant because 1. it's a very 
> long drive 2. I adore the guys in REI's bike department. I handed the bikes 
> off to the mechanic and waited for his findings. The brakes on the 
> Specialized are a bit of a mystery, but new cables and brake pads were 
> mandatory, as was the tune-up it has never had. Got the bike in 2nd grade, 
> now we're halfway through 4th grade :/ Meanwhile, I asked the mechanic, who 
> is a thoughtful, intelligent, early-60s guy to give me his opinion. He 
> knows the hill of which I speak - roadies consider it a challenge to be 
> conquered on weekends. He lifted up the Giant and said, "This bike weighs a 
> LOT. Much more than ours weigh." And indeed, the 24 inch Specialized is 
> lighter than the 20 inch Giant! When I told him my son only ways *maybe* 50 
> pounds, he was incredulous. "This bike is at least 25 pounds, and probably 
> more. Well, I'll tell you this, I know two things. 1. You have a really 
> good kid. Most kids would have refused to ride that route. This bike is not 
> any fun to ride for a 50 pound kid. Especially not up THAT hill. 2. You 
> have a really good relationship with your kid, since he does ride it and 
> doesn't complain." And this is dually true - my L is the single most 
> self-directed kid I've ever met. And also, L KNOWS how I love to bike to 
> school. He won't complain because he knows biking makes me happy and that 
> it's supposed to be good for kids. 
>
> The mechanic said there was nothing meaningful I could do for this bike, 
> and if it was him, he'd sell it. The resistance is something about "the 
> hub" and there's not much to do about it. The gearing is somewhat 
> ridiculous, he pointed out. I could have wept. Wasted $225 on that Giant, 
> and made my child ride the horrid beast up the most challenging hill in 
> town. Every day. For months. I feel worse about this than I do about 
> forking out more money for a child's bike. 
>
> When he gets home I'm measuring his PBH. Maybe I can get him on an 
> Islabike that will last for a few years. 
>
> Thanks for all the help and the recommendations. I'll let you know what we 
> get in place of the dreaded Giant.

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

[Shoji Takahashi]

Thanks, Leah & Patrick.

I think he'll ride it for 2 - 3 years. That seems to-be the sizing strategy 
for Islabikes. Since we went a little big, maybe an extra half year or so 
more. But we can't know when a growth spurt can change all those fine plans.

One reason I talked myself into it was that our daughter is 2 years 
younger. We can hand it down and get another 2 or so years. (So 4 - 5 years 
total for the bike.)

She's very nearly riding the small Cnoc 14 on which my son learned to ride. 
(She can't quite reach the ground flat footed, and that's not very 
confidence inspiring to her.)

Enjoy! And watch him lead your family up that hill. (Islabikes brakes are 
terrific-- warn him before he uses it the first time, particularly on that 
downhill!)
shoji


On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 8:56:30 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Shoji, what a darling son and bike! Just perfect. How many years do you 
> think he will get on it before he outgrows it?
>
> And you are clever. I laughed out loud for real.
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Bill Lindsay]

Devout Socratic that you are, let's answer Patrick Moore's questions with 
questions:

Most fixed riders I know have a rear brake.  That mechanism that allows the 
rider to slow down through the rear wheel is the fixed drivetrain.  In 
other words, you always had a rear brake.  Did you ever use it?  If yes, 
you have removed your rear brake.  Do you feel you've downgraded the 
braking ability of your bike?  Do you want to make up the difference?  If 
yes, put on a rear brake.  If no, leave it off.  

The reason I would never remove my rear brake is that sometimes I brake 
while cornering.  I've learned about the circle of traction, and know that 
the combination of braking and turning forces can cause a skid.  Rear wheel 
skids are scary but recoverable.  Front skids almost always result in sever 
DOG Syndrome (Down On Ground).  If I knew for a fact that I would never be 
simultaneously braking and cornering, OR if I knew that I had absurdly high 
front traction that could never be overcome, then I would indeed toss my 
rear brake for the simplicity and purity of it all.  

Bill Nine-weeks-in-recovery-from-DOG-Syndrome-caused-by-front-skid Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:44:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I just reinstalled the rear brake on the '03 Curt, because I wanted to use 
> the 18 t (66") freewheel on the flip side of the rear hub. This is 
> annoying, to me, because I have become so used to the ease of fender 
> installation and wheel installation and removal that you have without a 
> rear caliper messing things up (damned modern complications).
>
> I'm very used to having only a front brake (operated with a right-side 
> lever, of course; what else would you use???) and only install a rear with 
> a freewheel, since I've been told I shall *die* if I don't have a backup 
> brake.
>
> So, is the principal use of a rear brake merely as a backup should your 
> front one fail? Are there other uses? I guess if one is accustomed to 
> taking corners at the fastest speed possible, a rear brake for small, 
> precise speed adjustments without unduly loading the front tire, might make 
> sense; but does this make sense in fact?
>
> My first bike had a freewheel and no brake except my right Ked shoved onto 
> the front tire between the fork blades -- and I rode this thing on steep, 
> winding downhills and in heavy urban traffic. (OK, I was 15.) So a good, 
> solid front brake seems -- dare I say it? -- sufficient. Tell me why I am 
> wrong.
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big One(s) on Clem.

[David Banzer]

Also, running these on older version Alex DM18 - which are eyeletted, 
basically a wider Sun CR18, almost exactly like a Velocity Atlas. Wish 
these rims were still made instead of the newer version.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> nice to see these on a real  bike. ive been curious. what are your 
> feelings about their durability for urban riding? Likely wishful thinking? 
> also, what rims are you using these with?
>

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[RBW] Kudos to RBW!

[David Banzer]

I ordered an item during the year-end 25% off web specials sale. Noticed a 
few days after ordering that there was a note that the item was backordered 
and would be a few days. No problem, called earlier this week just to check 
and spoke with Dave. He said that they ran out of the item, so they ordered 
another for me, at the closeout price that I paid. I don't have immediate 
plans for the item, so I would've been perfectly fine with a response of 
"we're sorry, but we ran out" and had payment refunded. Not only did they 
order another for me, but sent it out UPS next-day. With the speed of the 
UPS/USPS Smartpost delivery, it probably would've been here around the same 
time had they not needed to order another.
So, a hearty kudos to RBW and the customer service they provide!
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Feeler for Soma San Marcos 51cm frameset

[Philip Kim]

Trying to raise funds to get a Hunqapillar before geo changes. Selling Soma 
San Marcos 51cm Tiburon blue with correct tight fork bend. $725 shipped.

Also looking to sell Rich-built 650b wheelset, Velocity Dyad 32h rear and 
front with XT rear hub and SP dyno hub front. Double butted spokes. $425 
shipped.

Message off life and can get pictures of everything.

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Re: [RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Patrick Moore]

I've seen that. I know that, on a fixed gear with just the front brake,
when I really stop suddenly, the rear wheel skids just because I've
simultaneously stopped pedaling, even without any real backforce -- so
little is the weight on the rear tire.

So, I know that, for effective panic stops, I don't need a rear brake. And
I have no plans to pull a trailer with this bike; nor are the brakes disks.

But am I really putting my life in my hands if I run a freewheel with no
rear brake? -- assuming I ensure that my cable and other parts are kept in
good condition?

Would you let your wife/husband/child do this? (I wouldn't let my child do
this, but then she is a very inexperienced cyclist, to not to the point.)

I'll probably just leave it on, but I *am* curious.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Dig this:
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/how-to-brake-on-a-bicycle/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Steve Palincsar]

He's a putz.

On 01/15/2016 02:37 PM, Ron Mc wrote:

I talked to the guy, he is serious.  His way or the highway.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 12:47:32 PM UTC-6, El Sapo wrote:

I took that as sarcasm. He's serious? 





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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Patrick Moore]

Well explained, O Socrates! -- the main point being that there are types of
riding on a freewheel bike, and not encountered on a fixed bike, that
require, or at least benefit from, a rear brake, and that mere stopping
distance is not the only factor to consider.

You know, It's been so long since I did long, fast downhills on a bike that
I've forgotten many skills and equipment requirements for these skills.

I've largely concluded that *if* (1) you don't do fast downhills with
corners, and (2) you keep your equipment (notably the cable and its
attachment) in top form, and (3) you are not towing a trailer, and (4) you
are using calipers and not cantis or disks, then you'd be fine with just a
front and a freewheel. Of course, I am so timid on fast downhills that I
could *probably* get away with this, but there is always that very
unexpected decreasing radius or reverse cambered corner that may relegate
all this theoretical justification to the trash can.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Devout Socratic that you are, let's answer Patrick Moore's questions with
> questions:
>
> Most fixed riders I know have a rear brake.  That mechanism that allows
> the rider to slow down through the rear wheel is the fixed drivetrain.  In
> other words, you always had a rear brake.  Did you ever use it?  If yes,
> you have removed your rear brake.  Do you feel you've downgraded the
> braking ability of your bike?  Do you want to make up the difference?  If
> yes, put on a rear brake.  If no, leave it off.
>
> The reason I would never remove my rear brake is that sometimes I brake
> while cornering.  I've learned about the circle of traction, and know that
> the combination of braking and turning forces can cause a skid.  Rear wheel
> skids are scary but recoverable.  Front skids almost always result in sever
> DOG Syndrome (Down On Ground).  If I knew for a fact that I would never be
> simultaneously braking and cornering, OR if I knew that I had absurdly high
> front traction that could never be overcome, then I would indeed toss my
> rear brake for the simplicity and purity of it all.
>
> Bill Nine-weeks-in-recovery-from-DOG-Syndrome-caused-by-front-skid Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:44:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I just reinstalled the rear brake on the '03 Curt, because I wanted to
>> use the 18 t (66") freewheel on the flip side of the rear hub. This is
>> annoying, to me, because I have become so used to the ease of fender
>> installation and wheel installation and removal that you have without a
>> rear caliper messing things up (damned modern complications).
>>
>> I'm very used to having only a front brake (operated with a right-side
>> lever, of course; what else would you use???) and only install a rear with
>> a freewheel, since I've been told I shall *die* if I don't have a backup
>> brake.
>>
>> So, is the principal use of a rear brake merely as a backup should your
>> front one fail? Are there other uses? I guess if one is accustomed to
>> taking corners at the fastest speed possible, a rear brake for small,
>> precise speed adjustments without unduly loading the front tire, might make
>> sense; but does this make sense in fact?
>>
>> My first bike had a freewheel and no brake except my right Ked shoved
>> onto the front tire between the fork blades -- and I rode this thing on
>> steep, winding downhills and in heavy urban traffic. (OK, I was 15.) So a
>> good, solid front brake seems -- dare I say it? -- sufficient. Tell me why
>> I am wrong.
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[RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Garth]

   What's that saying ... "one persons trash is another's treasure" ?


This is not really true . .  .. it's All treasure and there is no other ! 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a goof... but 
then serious? I do agree about the pedals though.



On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof. How can 
> anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends with a garish image of 
> that revolting Giant (ok, that is harsh, but you know my feelings about 
> Giant these days, see kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over 
> that other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was laughing 
> at that point, but stopped when I realized he was serious. Oh well, it 
> takes all kinds, I suppose.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[El Sapo]

I took that as sarcasm. He's serious? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Bill Lindsay]

Which pedals?  He mocked two different ones.  He said MKS Sneaker pedals 
suck.  He said Powergrips on pedals suck.  He said toe clips suck, and he 
said Shimano 600 pedals with toe clips are the worst pedals ever to ride 
without cleated shoes.  Which ones are you agreeing with?  

I'll submit that I would prefer to use Shimano 600s without cleated shoes 
over these pedals without cleated shoes:  SPDs suck with non-cycling shoes 


Being a bad pedal with Vans doesn't make it a universally bad pedal.  

The guy says at the beginning that his entire post spews hatred.  If 
anybody prefaces a commentary with "I'm about to spew a bunch of hatred", 
then I know not to take any of it seriously.  The opposite is probably 
closer to the truth, when so-prefaced.  

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a goof... but 
> then serious? I do agree about the pedals though.
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof. How can 
>> anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends with a garish image of 
>> that revolting Giant (ok, that is harsh, but you know my feelings about 
>> Giant these days, see kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over 
>> that other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was laughing 
>> at that point, but stopped when I realized he was serious. Oh well, it 
>> takes all kinds, I suppose.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Steve Palincsar]

This post made me go to the group web site to read the original post.  
Now that I have done, I must ask: why are we wasting time on this 
idiotic raving?  The guy is an ignorant idiot.  It's not even a new 
posting - he copyrighted it 5 years ago, and I'm almost certain we've 
discussed it before, if not here then on the IBOB list.  What belongs in 
the garbage pail is this web posting, not the bike he's raving against.



On 01/15/2016 01:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Which pedals?  He mocked two different ones.  He said MKS Sneaker 
pedals suck.  He said Powergrips on pedals suck.  He said toe clips 
suck, and he said Shimano 600 pedals with toe clips are the worst 
pedals ever to ride without cleated shoes.  Which ones are you 
agreeing with?


I'll submit that I would prefer to use Shimano 600s without cleated 
shoes over these pedals without cleated shoes: SPDs suck with 
non-cycling shoes 



Being a bad pedal with Vans doesn't make it a universally bad pedal.

The guy says at the beginning that his entire post spews hatred.  If 
anybody prefaces a commentary with "I'm about to spew a bunch of 
hatred", then I know not to take any of it seriously.  The opposite is 
probably closer to the truth, when so-prefaced.


On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:


My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a
goof... but then serious? I do agree about the pedals though.



On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof.
How can anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends
with a garish image of that revolting Giant (ok, that is
harsh, but you know my feelings about Giant these days, see
kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over that
other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was
laughing at that point, but stopped when I realized he was
serious. Oh well, it takes all kinds, I suppose.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Bill Lindsay]

"why are we wasting time on this idiotic raving?"

because it's Winter?  
because nobody has said anything about helmets lately?
because we like the sounds of our virtual voices?
no particular reason at all?

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 11:07:43 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> This post made me go to the group web site to read the original post.  Now 
> that I have done, I must ask: why are we wasting time on this idiotic 
> raving?  The guy is an ignorant idiot.  It's not even a new posting - he 
> copyrighted it 5 years ago, and I'm almost certain we've discussed it 
> before, if not here then on the IBOB list.  What belongs in the garbage 
> pail is this web posting, not the bike he's raving against.
>
>
> On 01/15/2016 01:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Which pedals?  He mocked two different ones.  He said MKS Sneaker pedals 
> suck.  He said Powergrips on pedals suck.  He said toe clips suck, and he 
> said Shimano 600 pedals with toe clips are the worst pedals ever to ride 
> without cleated shoes.  Which ones are you agreeing with?   
>
> I'll submit that I would prefer to use Shimano 600s without cleated shoes 
> over these pedals without cleated shoes:  SPDs suck with non-cycling shoes 
> 
>
> Being a bad pedal with Vans doesn't make it a universally bad pedal.  
>
> The guy says at the beginning that his entire post spews hatred.  If 
> anybody prefaces a commentary with "I'm about to spew a bunch of hatred", 
> then I know not to take any of it seriously.  The opposite is probably 
> closer to the truth, when so-prefaced.  
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 
>>
>> My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a goof... but 
>> then serious? I do agree about the pedals though. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
>>>
>>> Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof. How can 
>>> anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends with a garish image of 
>>> that revolting Giant (ok, that is harsh, but you know my feelings about 
>>> Giant these days, see kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over 
>>> that other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was laughing 
>>> at that point, but stopped when I realized he was serious. Oh well, it 
>>> takes all kinds, I suppose.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Joe Bernard]

Because I'd never seen it before, and I haven't seen those cheap/light 
Dia-Compe brakes in 15 years? Trivia: Brew - out of Canada, I think - used to 
take those brakes, shave the arms and put ti bolts on 'em, and sell them to 
weight weenies for an hilarious amount of money. They were awesome!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Joe Bernard]

I was quite bewildered by the assumed superiority of carbon forks over steel. I 
get that people think they're light and swoopy, but the implication that 
they're the only thing worth considering and steel sucks is criminally 
misinformed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Ron Mc]

I talked to the guy, he is serious.  His way or the highway.  

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> I took that as sarcasm. He's serious? 

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Re: [RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Steve Palincsar]

I'm not sure the CPSC would be very happy about fixed gear bikes at all.

On 01/15/2016 03:44 PM, Scott Henry wrote:

To keep the CPSC happy.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

[Bill Lindsay]

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 11:39:15 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> He's a putz.
>
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Re: [RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Scott Henry]

To keep the CPSC happy.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I just reinstalled the rear brake on the '03 Curt, because I wanted to use
> the 18 t (66") freewheel on the flip side of the rear hub. This is
> annoying, to me, because I have become so used to the ease of fender
> installation and wheel installation and removal that you have without a
> rear caliper messing things up (damned modern complications).
>
> I'm very used to having only a front brake (operated with a right-side
> lever, of course; what else would you use???) and only install a rear with
> a freewheel, since I've been told I shall *die* if I don't have a backup
> brake.
>
> So, is the principal use of a rear brake merely as a backup should your
> front one fail? Are there other uses? I guess if one is accustomed to
> taking corners at the fastest speed possible, a rear brake for small,
> precise speed adjustments without unduly loading the front tire, might make
> sense; but does this make sense in fact?
>
> My first bike had a freewheel and no brake except my right Ked shoved onto
> the front tire between the fork blades -- and I rode this thing on steep,
> winding downhills and in heavy urban traffic. (OK, I was 15.) So a good,
> solid front brake seems -- dare I say it? -- sufficient. Tell me why I am
> wrong.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Justin August]

I prefer the feel of modulating my speed with both front and rear brakes. 
Perhaps it comes from growing up throwing myself down hills and dirt roads 
in the woods of West Virginia on various BMX and Mountain bikes getting 
serious skids and having an extreme fear of going over the bars. As such I 
find the rear brake to be a nice way to easily modulate speed without risk 
of endo as opposed to a method of final stoppage.

-J

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:12:14 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Well explained, O Socrates! -- the main point being that there are types 
> of riding on a freewheel bike, and not encountered on a fixed bike, that 
> require, or at least benefit from, a rear brake, and that mere stopping 
> distance is not the only factor to consider.
>
> You know, It's been so long since I did long, fast downhills on a bike 
> that I've forgotten many skills and equipment requirements for these skills.
>
> I've largely concluded that *if* (1) you don't do fast downhills with 
> corners, and (2) you keep your equipment (notably the cable and its 
> attachment) in top form, and (3) you are not towing a trailer, and (4) you 
> are using calipers and not cantis or disks, then you'd be fine with just a 
> front and a freewheel. Of course, I am so timid on fast downhills that I 
> could *probably* get away with this, but there is always that very 
> unexpected decreasing radius or reverse cambered corner that may relegate 
> all this theoretical justification to the trash can.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Devout Socratic that you are, let's answer Patrick Moore's questions with 
>> questions:
>>
>> Most fixed riders I know have a rear brake.  That mechanism that allows 
>> the rider to slow down through the rear wheel is the fixed drivetrain.  In 
>> other words, you always had a rear brake.  Did you ever use it?  If yes, 
>> you have removed your rear brake.  Do you feel you've downgraded the 
>> braking ability of your bike?  Do you want to make up the difference?  If 
>> yes, put on a rear brake.  If no, leave it off.  
>>
>> The reason I would never remove my rear brake is that sometimes I brake 
>> while cornering.  I've learned about the circle of traction, and know that 
>> the combination of braking and turning forces can cause a skid.  Rear wheel 
>> skids are scary but recoverable.  Front skids almost always result in sever 
>> DOG Syndrome (Down On Ground).  If I knew for a fact that I would never be 
>> simultaneously braking and cornering, OR if I knew that I had absurdly high 
>> front traction that could never be overcome, then I would indeed toss my 
>> rear brake for the simplicity and purity of it all.  
>>
>> Bill Nine-weeks-in-recovery-from-DOG-Syndrome-caused-by-front-skid Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:44:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I just reinstalled the rear brake on the '03 Curt, because I wanted to 
>>> use the 18 t (66") freewheel on the flip side of the rear hub. This is 
>>> annoying, to me, because I have become so used to the ease of fender 
>>> installation and wheel installation and removal that you have without a 
>>> rear caliper messing things up (damned modern complications).
>>>
>>> I'm very used to having only a front brake (operated with a right-side 
>>> lever, of course; what else would you use???) and only install a rear with 
>>> a freewheel, since I've been told I shall *die* if I don't have a 
>>> backup brake.
>>>
>>> So, is the principal use of a rear brake merely as a backup should your 
>>> front one fail? Are there other uses? I guess if one is accustomed to 
>>> taking corners at the fastest speed possible, a rear brake for small, 
>>> precise speed adjustments without unduly loading the front tire, might make 
>>> sense; but does this make sense in fact?
>>>
>>> My first bike had a freewheel and no brake except my right Ked shoved 
>>> onto the front tire between the fork blades -- and I rode this thing on 
>>> steep, winding downhills and in heavy urban traffic. (OK, I was 15.) So a 
>>> good, solid front brake seems -- dare I say it? -- sufficient. Tell me why 
>>> I am wrong.
>>>
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>>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
>>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains 

Re: [RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Christopher Murray]

I think Bill has it right. You actually did have a rear brake previously, it 
was just part of the drivetrain. I have always felt that the rear brake helps 
balance out the stopping power. I am pretty sure that I would eventually fall 
if I didn't have two brakes. The rear brake seems to keep the bike under 
control as the front brake handles most of the actual braking. I would 
definitely not let my wife/ daughter/ son ride with a front only set up. 

Go find a few different scenarios and try riding into them at the same speed 
braking with just the front, just the rear, and both. I'd be interested in what 
you'd discover.

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Someone order a Reader for me

[iamkeith]

Wouldn't you know it?  I placed a big order just a day before the 
announcement that the new Reader was available, but only if purchased with 
a legitimate order.  I don't need anything else at the moment.  If someone 
is placing an order soon, and plans to get the reader, would you mind 
getting two of them and forwarding one to me?  Will reimburse costs, of 
course.  And owe you a favor...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[Zed Martinez]

If they're the size from the file they should be right at about 2x3". Like 
a shorter business card.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?
>
> At least, one will go on my car.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez  > wrote:
>
>> Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping 
>> logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
>>
>> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/2016-01-15.jpg
>>
>> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> *2) Rivendell's retail store is called:*
>>> --Bike, Book and Hatchet 
>>> --The Luggery 
>>> --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios 
>>> 
>>> --The Lug N' Tug 
>>>
>>> I rather like #3.
>>>
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>>> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
>>> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[cyclotourist]

You're awesome, Mr. Bone!

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:04 PM, 'Norman Bone' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:
> Alright sticker peeps, here's the deal.
>
> Send me a self addressed stamped envelope with a dollar for each sticker you
> want and I'll send them out. If we burn through this initial 100 and there
> is still demand, I'll do another run.
>
> Send to:
>
> Norman Bone
> 5807 SE 47th Ave
> Portland, OR
> 97206
> Weird obituaries, funny news articles, odd photos, wacky drawings or poems
> or any off the wall material is appreciated with your order.
>
>
> Norm 'Gimmee a dolla' Bone in wet and wild Portland, OR (Don't move here,
> it's not like the TV show)
>
>
> 
> From: Zed Martinez 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature
>
> If they're the size from the file they should be right at about 2x3". Like a
> shorter business card.
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?
>
> At least, one will go on my car.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez  wrote:
>
> Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping
> logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/ samples/2016-01-15.jpg
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 2) Rivendell's retail store is called:
> --Bike, Book and Hatchet
> --The Luggery
> --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios
> --The Lug N' Tug
>
> I rather like #3.
>
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>
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> The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[David Person]

I'll take 5.

David Person

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:34:12 PM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> If they're the size from the file they should be right at about 2x3". Like 
> a shorter business card.
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?
>>
>> At least, one will go on my car.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping 
>>> logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
>>>
>>> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/2016-01-15.jpg
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 *2) Rivendell's retail store is called:*
 --Bike, Book and Hatchet 
 --The Luggery 
 --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios 
 
 --The Lug N' Tug 

 I rather like #3.

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 *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
 circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
 revolve. *Chuang Tzu

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>> ***
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>> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
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[RBW] Someone order a Reader for me

[iamkeith]

Taken care of.  Thx!

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[RBW] Someone order a Reader for me

[iamkeith]

Taken care of.  Thx!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

['Norman Bone' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Alright sticker peeps, here's the deal.
Send me a self addressed stamped envelope with a dollar for each sticker you 
want and I'll send them out. If we burn through this initial 100 and there is 
still demand, I'll do another run.
Send to:
Norman Bone5807 SE 47th AvePortland, OR97206
Weird obituaries, funny news articles, odd photos, wacky drawings or poems or 
any off the wall material is appreciated with your order.

Norm 'Gimmee a dolla' Bone in wet and wild Portland, OR (Don't move here, it's 
not like the TV show)


  From: Zed Martinez 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature
   
If they're the size from the file they should be right at about 2x3". Like a 
shorter business card.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?
At least, one will go on my car.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez  wrote:

Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping logistics. 
Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
http://zedmartinez.com/ samples/2016-01-15.jpg

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
2) Rivendell's retail store is called:
--Bike, Book and Hatchet
--The Luggery
--Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios
--The Lug N' Tug

I rather like #3.
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is the motionless center of a circumference on which all conditions, 
distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang TzuStat crux dum volvitur 
orbis. Carthusian motto

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[Zed Martinez]

I'll see if I can scrounge up a lithograph or two to throw in with my 
envelope for you, Norman. Thanks for all your help with this. And dealing 
with me.

Zed "Holy crap that escalated quickly" Martinez

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:07:40 PM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:
>
> Alright sticker peeps, here's the deal.
>
> Send me a self addressed stamped envelope with a dollar for each sticker 
> you want and I'll send them out. If we burn through this initial 100 and 
> there is still demand, I'll do another run.
>
> Send to:
>
> Norman Bone
> 5807 SE 47th Ave
> Portland, OR
> 97206
> Weird obituaries, funny news articles, odd photos, wacky drawings or poems 
> or any off the wall material is appreciated with your order.
>
>
> Norm 'Gimmee a dolla' Bone in wet and wild Portland, OR (Don't move here, 
> it's not like the TV show)
>
>
> --
> *From:* Zed Martinez 
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch  
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 4:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature
>
> If they're the size from the file they should be right at about 2x3". Like 
> a shorter business card.
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?
>
> At least, one will go on my car.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez  
> wrote:
>
> Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping 
> logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/ samples/2016-01-15.jpg 
> 
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *2) Rivendell's retail store is called:*
> --Bike, Book and Hatchet 
> --The Luggery 
> --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios 
> 
> --The Lug N' Tug 
>
> I rather like #3.
>
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> ** ***
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[RBW] Re: Winter gloves

[Belopsky]

Went ahead and bought a pair of gloves from 45nrth - sturmfist 5. Not cheap 
but very happy with the purchase.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[Patrick Moore]

Will it fit on a seat tube or a 40 mm fender?

At least, one will go on my car.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping
> logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/2016-01-15.jpg
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> *2) Rivendell's retail store is called:*
>> --Bike, Book and Hatchet 
>> --The Luggery 
>> --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios
>> 
>> --The Lug N' Tug 
>>
>> I rather like #3.
>>
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>> *
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities
>> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>>
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circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities
revolve. *Chuang Tzu

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world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

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*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

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[RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[Zed Martinez]

Just got this picture in my email. Working out the payment/shipping 
logistics. Will report back soon. Thanks for your patience, everyone.

http://zedmartinez.com/samples/2016-01-15.jpg

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *2) Rivendell's retail store is called:*
> --Bike, Book and Hatchet 
> --The Luggery 
> --Ol' Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Canvas Curios 
> 
> --The Lug N' Tug 
>
> I rather like #3.
>
> -- 
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> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nomenclature

[David Person]

I'll take 5.

David Person

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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 58cm $1250 shipped

[Elton Pope-Lance]

Listees,

This is a new, never built, green 2TT frameset.  
BB and headset installed by Riv.  
Seat post included.

Recent financial speed bumps mean this project isn’t going to happen.
$1250 shipped lower 48.  PayPal plus fees (or Friends & Family), check held for 
clearance, etc.

Thanks for listening and passing it on.

- Elton

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Lungimsam]

Bump

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Evan Baird]

I've heard rumblings that the San Marcos may not be long for this world. I 
had hoped that increasing the tire clearance would give it a bump, but 
apparently they're talking about killing it off unless sales suddenly 
increase. I guess it's ultimately up to Riv, since it's technically their 
project, but it doesn't seem like that's the kind of thing they're very 
interested in these days.

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[RBW] What is the *real* purpose of a rear brake?

[Joe Bernard]

Theoretically - I think this matters more on motorcycles with suspension - 
feathering the rear brake helps keep the rear end settled and straight while 
applying the front. I always set my rear pads up further from the rim than the 
front so I can get the appropriate balance with the same pressure on both 
levers. A rear brake is also helpful on wet streets where you're trying to slow 
the bike without breaking the front end loose. In my opinion you don't 
absolutely *need* a rear brake on a freewheel bike, but it's a good idea.  

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