[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Hugh Smitham]

Most before work rides these days are on my gofast Trek 660. I love it! I 
rode up the canyon today and was treated to two red tailed hawks riding the 
thermals. I thought to myself that's what I feel like on this bike, like 
I'm flying but err on the ground. Now i want a hawk in flight headbadge.

~Hugh

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. 
> The Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light 
> gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast 
> bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires 
> that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of 
> pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be 
> dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.
>
> Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple 
> of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.
>
> The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast! 
> Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in 
> their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike; 
> check. Beater; check. Gofast.
>
> I:
>
> '03 Riv: errands.
> '02: gofast.
> Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
> Dahon: beater.
>
> You?
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>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Robin Williams said that riding a bike was the closest you could get to 
flying. On a nice back road with no cars around I definitely agree.

My go fast is a 1980's Proteus recently brought back to life after sitting 
for 10 years due to a bent fork. I think after sitting all this time it 
wants to fly too.

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Tony DeFilippo]

You'd need the bolt by itself, all the Riv seat post braze ons in familiar with 
are recessed for a nut on one side and an Allen bolt recessed on the other.  
I'm guessing the Joe will follow suit.  

So it's just the length you need to figure out. I'm not positive but wouldn't 
the proper length be common for any Riv with a similar seat post braze on?  I 
can measure mine tonight... Neat website, thanks for sharing.

Anyone have experience with the leather 'cardif mercia' seats they are selling? 
 They look like B17 clones.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Anne, what 29x3 tire did you use? The Knard seems quite knobby for mixed 
surface rides and holds onto mud & snow pretty aggressively.

I may be retired in 2017 and the GDMBR is at the top of my to-do list.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Suddenly I am very aware of my inferior chainstay protectors. I don't know if I 
can ride to work this morning

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Zed Martinez]

I'm using a Pinhead locking skewer on my Clem right now. As Riv warns, they 
work, but you'll eventually chip the paint. In keeping with that Clemmy 
spirit I decided that was an OK compromise, plus with my saddle bag always 
hanging over it it's not like any touch-up paint in the future will be so 
visible. Otherwise, they do work,mostly.You have to crank'em pretty tight, 
and I had to use a little Loctite 609 (thanks other discussion on here 
about slipping seat posts for introducing me to that bit of magic) to fix 
some slow slip it had even then, but it's been rock solid for the past 
month now.  Didn't know about those bolts you're linking to there, though. 
Those will probably work better. I've got the outside to outside on my 
Clem's binder clamp bits at 35mm, so, it's possible the 30mm bolt would be 
long enough once in the recesses.

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[Matthew J]

Soma sells a decent clear Yokozuna  
chainstay protector for $6 dollars.  

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[RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Zach Duval]

I live in Kalispell, MT and had been hoping to ride my Hillborne down to 
Missoula for the event, if I can swing the time off work.

Let me know more about your expected route (I don't believe the Divide route 
goes directly to Missoula?), and I'd be happy to join you for at least some of 
the ride down.

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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Will]

I had a set of Tektro CR720s in the parts bin. I put them on the Atlantis 
to see how things worked out. The mech at the LBS, reco'd S CX70s. He was 
running them and liked them a lot. I almost went that way, and I'm sure I'd 
have liked them... but truth is... once I had the 720s on, I couldn't fault 
them. Smooth as butter, good power, good road feel. The Riv site copy on 
them is honest. They absolutely don't look cheap, quality is obvious. 

Check the Hunq pics on the Riv site: couple good shots. The brakes adjust 
easily. I think you will need this: 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ca15089.htm

no matter what canti you do, that 64 is going to have a long head tube. 


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:06:41 AM UTC-6, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
> wait...
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wallyh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Deacon Patrick]

The Banff extension has long been on my list to ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 3:10:25 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then 
> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields 
> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields 
> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, 
> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride 
> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a 
> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I 
> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Hugh Smitham]

I agree with Robin but then there's this. Just a bit closer to our
feathered friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXXUGZvYdzE

Tail Winds or Updrafts,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:30 AM, 'Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>
> Robin Williams said that riding a bike was the closest you could get to
> flying. On a nice back road with no cars around I definitely agree.
>
> My go fast is a 1980's Proteus recently brought back to life after sitting
> for 10 years due to a bent fork. I think after sitting all this time it
> wants to fly too.
>
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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Patrick,
Assuming it's the same seat lug as other Rivs (excepting Clem, I think), 
then you'll need to replace the "M6 Hex Socket Cap, 22mm length" with the 
security bolt. 

I went with the pitlock skewers and seat post binder bolt. They're really 
spendy, but I don't worry about my wheels or seat post anymore. I think the 
visible parts of the pitlock skewers are nice looking, for what that's 
worth. 

(One could still take the saddle by unscrewing at the rail/post interface.)

There are ways to secure the quill, but, other than putting a ball bearing 
in there, it gets complicated. If I was that concerned about it, I probably 
wouldn't be riding my Riv.

Good luck!
shoji



On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Rich Lesnik]

I rode my Riv. custom (basically a beefed-up Atlantis-type frame, 
customized for me) from Calgary to Banff, then took the Great Divide to 
Whitefish MT. Full load, front/rear bags, saddle and handlebar bags. 
Ritchey Crossbite (1.6") tires. No problems whatsoever. You can see some 
photos on the "Gallery" page at www.handsonwheels.com. My advice: don't 
over-plan -- "just ride."

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then 
> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields 
> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields 
> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, 
> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride 
> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a 
> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I 
> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Tim Gavin]

My go-fast is the Roadeo I picked up a couple weeks ago, used to be a
Giordana (I swapped the parts over).
Road/tour: Riv Road Standard 650b
Off-road/tour:  Schwinn KOM-10 with drop bars
Off-road:  Foundry Auger
Way off-road:  Specialized Fatboy

All my bikes are commuters, all but the Roadeo are fendered.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> I agree with Robin but then there's this. Just a bit closer to our
> feathered friends.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXXUGZvYdzE
>
> Tail Winds or Updrafts,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 3:30 AM, 'Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Robin Williams said that riding a bike was the closest you could get to
>> flying. On a nice back road with no cars around I definitely agree.
>>
>> My go fast is a 1980's Proteus recently brought back to life after
>> sitting for 10 years due to a bent fork. I think after sitting all this
>> time it wants to fly too.
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[RBW] SOLD Re: FS: Low Trail Hunqapillar Frame/Fork/SP/HS size 58 - $1,300 OBO + shipping

[René Sterental]

Stay tuned for a list of parts and accessories.

René

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:

> Back again with my downsizing plans; I've been traveling a lot so haven't
> had time to prepare the Hunqapillar for sale. So here it goes:
>
> - Pewter custom painted 58cm Hunqapillar frame with custom made low trail
> fork with braze-ons + original (with original paint) fork, original Nitto
> seat post & Interloc original headset - $1300 OBO + shipping, unless
> you're located in the SF Bay Area so we can coordinate delivery.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157627319515196
>
> René
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[RBW] New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the
clamp with a removable face plate!

The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13"
laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[jeffrey kane]

Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance to 
avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is a 
great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack along 
the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that 
likes to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution 
since the Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side 
.. all you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries 
around a set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you 
can replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well. 

Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, the 
wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty nice 
but if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work 
looking into:

http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Steven Sweedler]

Mark, glad you started this. I am planning on leaving Banff in mid-July on
a Surly  Ogre w 2.2 tires , using my Ortliebs on Tubus racks, as always my
bike will  be heavy. Would like to get to that gathering in Missoula to
celebrate the 40th but the timing doesn't work for me. Hope to see some of
you on the trail. Steve
Bisbee,  Az.


On Friday, February 12, 2016, Rich Lesnik  wrote:

> I rode my Riv. custom (basically a beefed-up Atlantis-type frame,
> customized for me) from Calgary to Banff, then took the Great Divide to
> Whitefish MT. Full load, front/rear bags, saddle and handlebar bags.
> Ritchey Crossbite (1.6") tires. No problems whatsoever. You can see some
> photos on the "Gallery" page at www.handsonwheels.com. My advice: don't
> over-plan -- "just ride."
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling
>> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana.
>>
>> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then
>> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields
>> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields
>> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers,
>> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>>
>> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride
>> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a
>> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I
>> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the
>> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about
>> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail?
>>
>>
>> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Ryan Fleming]

you got that right!

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> dolefully, you'll probably have time to vacillate on the component 
> selections about a half-dozen times each.  
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Mark Reimer]

Oh nice, that custom is GORGEOUS!!

That settles it then. I'm hoping to do Jasper to Banff in three days, then 
Banff to Missoula in 5-6 days. 

Is sticky mud a big concern? I've been riding 2.1" Tires in the Atlantis 
for added mud clearance. If it's mostly rocky/gravel I'd opt for 2.25. 

Can't wait!

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 8:50:03 AM UTC-6, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
> I rode my Riv. custom (basically a beefed-up Atlantis-type frame, 
> customized for me) from Calgary to Banff, then took the Great Divide to 
> Whitefish MT. Full load, front/rear bags, saddle and handlebar bags. 
> Ritchey Crossbite (1.6") tires. No problems whatsoever. You can see some 
> photos on the "Gallery" page at www.handsonwheels.com. My advice: don't 
> over-plan -- "just ride."
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
>> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 
>>
>> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then 
>> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields 
>> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields 
>> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, 
>> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>>
>> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride 
>> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a 
>> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I 
>> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
>> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
>> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 
>>
>>
>> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Deacon Patrick]

A! That delicious, torturous anticipation! Enjoy, because once you get 
it you can't do that anymore. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:06:41 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
> wait...
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wallyh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[David Banzer]

Redwood - unconverted recently, meaning back to 700c from 650b - Barlow 
Pass tires make this go smooth & fast
Clem - commuting duties, grocery getting
84 Schwinn Voyageur - faux-rando, single speed
Trek 330 - 650b'd, needs to be built back up, but certainly go-fast 
contender
BMC Monster Cross - coming soon, undecided in build, but most likely a 
single/fixed with mixed terrain tires


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 6:58:52 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. 
> The Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light 
> gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast 
> bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires 
> that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of 
> pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be 
> dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.
>
> Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple 
> of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.
>
> The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast! 
> Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in 
> their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike; 
> check. Beater; check. Gofast.
>
> I:
>
> '03 Riv: errands.
> '02: gofast.
> Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
> Dahon: beater.
>
> You?
>
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> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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[RBW] Re: SOLD Re: FS: Low Trail Hunqapillar Frame/Fork/SP/HS size 58 - $1,300 OBO + shipping

[Brian Campbell]

Bought! :-)

>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Grant @ Rivendell]

Right, Joe. Here's the whole short story: When somebody buys a bike, we 
have to account for the possibility that they'll smash a fork in a wreck. 
We don't keep statistics on this, but it's got to be way less than 1 
percent, and way more than zero (as the bent Roadeo fork in the current 
BLUG shows). 
Over the years our accumulation of forks has reached 184. Some raw 
(unpainted), some painted, and all of them specific to one model and size. 
Betty forks painted Betty blue with the red detailing; orange Sam forks, 
and lots of raw Sams and Simpleone forks. A few Hunqa forks.
They all have threaded steerers that require head tubes of a certain length 
(plus/minus 2cm, depending how many head tube spacers used). Or, they could 
be cut and converted to 1-inch threadless, but we've opted to minimize the 
work on them, and just use them as they are.

We've counted and separated the forks, and in the last few days I've been 
designing frames around them. The beacon is head tube length. If I 
determine that a fork requires a HTL of 235mm, that steers some aspects of 
the design. The frame can be small, with a radicaly upsloping Top Tube, or 
it can be bigger, with less upslope. It can be a mixte or not. 

We can't afford to do these bikes with normal joint lugs, so we'll tig 'em 
and sort of modify the CLEM way. There will be mini lugs, and the fork 
crown is a lug, but the tubes will be tigged together. This gives us more 
flexibility and reduces cost, and the idea is ten of these, eight of those, 
fourteen of something else, in a variety of styles. We may offer frames 
only, we may offer whole bikes only---that depends on a number of things 
that nobody in the real world out there has access to, so there's no need 
right now to build a strong case either way.

Rather than create a new model for each variation--and the decals and badge 
to go along--we gunna callemall ROSCO - BUBBE, a catchall name for these 
few-of-a-kind bikes that allow us to put the fantastic forks to good use, 
and heaven forbid, clear out some shelf space in the warehouse and make 
some pocket money.

I'm having fun designing the bikes. I'm taking advantage of the inherent 
flexibility and the low numbers to -- from my POV-- have a little fun with 
them. The designs will make sense, but may offend classicists. One idea 
that really turns me on also makes me nervous, but it'll affect twelve 
frames, and they'll be unique and spectacular, and it's a smart way to go. 

Waterford may build some. Some will definitely be MIT<--made in Taiwan. We 
may offer a "name it yourself" option with the leftover separate letter 
packs that never got used on the CLEMs. 

Overall,  it's better to make killer bikes from the languishing forks than 
to enable their languishing, so that's what we're going to do. No more 
details are available at this time, but we'll make it fun and good.

G

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> This name resurfaced on the BLUG yesterday. Its original proposed 
> incarnation was a child's bike, which Grant determined to be too expensive 
> to sell. The reintroduction specifies "adult bikes" with a seat-clamp 
> intended for the new tandem. Hmm...

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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[RJM]

I love my go fast bike, which is my Roadeo. I did not ride it last night 
outside, but rather have it hooked up to a stationary trainer in the house, 
which I rode for an hour. Winter is my mountain bike time and I stuck a 
trainer tire on the Roadeo for a month or two until it warms a little. I 
don't really ride the Roadeo on dirt or gravel unless I hit a bad road 
while wandering around. I'm currently riding 25mm tires on it and I cannot 
complain about being held back on speed with this Riv. 

So, I currently have 4 ride-able bikes.

Roadeo - Go fast road bike
Atlantis - Touring bike
Trek Fuel EX 29'er - Full suspension trail bike
Niner Sir9 - Rigid Single speed XC bike

I need to get a bunch of parts and wheels sold off because I would kinda 
dig a Riv mountain bike, but that Sir9 is way cool, being steel. 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 6:58:52 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

> 20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. 
> The Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light 
> gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast 
> bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires 
> that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of 
> pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be 
> dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.
>
> Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple 
> of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.
>
> The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast! 
> Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in 
> their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike; 
> check. Beater; check. Gofast.
>
> I:
>
> '03 Riv: errands.
> '02: gofast.
> Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
> Dahon: beater.
>
> You?
>
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> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[N. Llama]

I think Atomic 22 offers a nice quil stem locking bolt.

http://atomic22.com/quill-stem.aspx

On Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:49:34 UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Bump: Price drop $2200 Complete plus shipping.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Feb 9, 2016 11:01 AM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Figured I shoot you the link to the Radavists
>  
> recent
> post of Ole Willy.
>
> Complete build $2400 obo plus shipping
> Frame/Fork HS $1400 obo plus shipping
>
> PM me and we can chat.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Kieran J]

It looks like an up-jutter version of the Ritchey Force Lite stems Nitto 
used to make in the 90's. Nice stuff, I have a beauty one in my parts bin.

KJ


On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:18:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Deacon Patrick]

I went fast today on my hunqapillar with clothes in the rear panniers in 
case the road allowed me to climb higher before turning into packed slick 
ice that I never ever trust drivers on, especially on a steep curvy canyon 
road. Turned around and went really fast on my underinflated 2.1" Thunder 
Burts (they needed to be this for the minagerie of textured frozen slush 
trail on the way up, before getting to the "back" roads off the highway 
(which I only ride down hill)). Did a grocery run ont he way home. Come 
spring, summer, and fall my go fast is my Quickbeam. Grin. Rivendells are 
awesome!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:58:52 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. 
> The Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light 
> gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast 
> bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires 
> that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of 
> pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be 
> dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.
>
> Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple 
> of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.
>
> The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast! 
> Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in 
> their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike; 
> check. Beater; check. Gofast.
>
> I:
>
> '03 Riv: errands.
> '02: gofast.
> Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
> Dahon: beater.
>
> You?
>
> -- 
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> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities 
> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[EGNolan]

BUMP. This sounds like a wonderful thing & I hope everyone reads this.


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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Joe Bernard]

Sweet! I really like this semi-TIGed direction you guys are taking so there can 
be more design flexibility, plus the ability to provide a lower point of entry 
for Riv frames. Of course the fancy fully-lugged frames will always be the 
cat's pajamas of Rivendell, but I think it's fair to say that steel tubes 
connected in the correct geometry is more important than the joining method. 
Every time I get on my new CLEM, the first/only thing I notice is how great it 
rides. The only time I ever think about which parts are welded and which parts 
are lugged is when it's sitting in the living room. And most of THAT time is 
spent looking at the bendy stays and thinking, "I don't care what anybody says, 
I'm SURE they're shock absorbing." Bring on ROSCO! ;-)

JB

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Re: [RBW] Re: The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[Bernie Burton]

Will
the mid 70s' Citroen SM ( Sports Maserati) had swiveling outer lights which
were disabled in the U.S.

Bernie Burton
Wichita Falls, Tx

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:49 PM, William deRosset 
wrote:

> >But I am a little surprised in a way that after 100+ years(?) of dyno
> lighting there isn't a dragless hub yet.
> >Also, dyno lights with a lens that allows you to see into a turn when
> turning.
> >Also, lower prices for these things.
> >Also, why taillights aren't built into frames yet.
>
> Dear Lungimsam,
>
> We don't have dragless ANYTHING. One of the laws of thermodynamics is that
> you don't get something for nothing. You can't even break even.
>
> If you're referring to lights-off conditions, a good alternator minimizes
> the eddy currents and stray induction that causes those losses, and the SON
> and SP hubs both lose less than 0.5w at 20mph. There are clutched systems
> to decouple the alternator entirely when turned off, but they turned out to
> have enough weight (and increased drag when on) to offset that tiny
> benefit.
>
> Power on, Claw-pole alternator designs can be very efficient (the SP and
> SON designs are around 60%, so under 6W cost for 3W of light at speed), but
> there are limits to what fits dimensionally and is pleasant to carry around
> on a 20lb machine with a 1/3 HP power source (an auto alternator is more
> efficient than even high-quality bike dynamos (the good ones are closer to
> 85% efficient if I recall correctly), but it has a large iron core, a whole
> lot more windings, etc, and it  neither light nor small). 6W is a
> manageable workload for most of us. Note that nominal 6W output systems
> were available to drive multiple lights, but never really took off for
> push-bike use (they did gain a toehold in the ebike market). They require
> closer to 10W to drive the additional load, and that turns out to be a lot
> of power for the average cyclist relative to the additional light.
>
> Tail lights are built into properly integrated bikes. Perhaps not into
> yours, but two of my machines came with built-in tail lights, and I am
> hardly alone. We as customers have not historically demanded (nor paid for)
> fully-functional lighting systems for our sporting machines, and, because
> it requires more design work (and complicates assembly), bike builders have
> obliged by not really trying to integrate them except where required by
> law. The German shopping bike design requirements support all of us in this
> respect.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/3522736540/
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EMNpauT1sq6SXSNJF_PMyNmblz4G8eB5pdrTwecIxBc?feat=directlink
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/lights/compass-taillight/#
>
> Many more if you consider fenders an integral part of the complete bike.
>
> Lower prices? Larger volume and cheaper materials (which works against
> efficiency in the case of the alternator, anyway, and good design/build
> quality below some threshold). I consider a $40 light, $120 hub, and $30
> rear light pretty inexpensive for what you get, and, honestly, the
> Velo-Lumino switch is a masterpiece of low-volume value.The comparison cost
> would be  a replacement light system for a motorcycle or an auto headlight.
> Not just the consumable bulb(s), but an alternator, light switch, wiring
> harness, control electronics, and a front and rear lens assembly.  Even an
> Edelux/SON/Velo-Lumino switch, sinewave USB power supply, and Secula (all
> low-volume premium bits) end up costing less than than the equivalent
> system parts for a Toyota truck (go ahead, price the wiring harness and
> relays) or my old BMW motorcycle, and those items were mass-produced on
> huge scales.
>
> You could add another light that you can aim to the handlebars or to your
> head (most of us ride with a secondary helmet-mount light offroad, for
> example), but even with 90W to work with (vs the 3W or so of a bike
> lighting system) most designers choose to leave the lights fixed. The
> Edelux II and current-generation Cyo has a pretty broad beam and still
> retains decent projection for riding at speed, and has enough side
> illumination for ordinary road use (unless you block part of the beam with
> the front wheel/fender/rack, as I did with the Boulder Bicycle
> Allroad--left-hand mount on the Nitto rack, so low-speed right-hand
> switchback turns are into a shadow.
>
> I think Citroen had driving lights that swiveled with the front wheels.
> Alternatively, you could wire a helmet-mount light into your dynamo with a
> permanent plug into the bike's wiring harness. I've considered doing that
> for bikepacking, but have just used battery helmet lights for that
> application do date. Maybe with my next project
>
> Best,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:46:31 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Patrick Moore]

Tigging, lugging, filleting, it'sall good. Hell, makem outof carbonfiber.
Just keep the signature Rivendell fit/handling combination -- *that's* what
makes a Riv a Riv (IMO).

Oh, and put a removable face plate on that threadless, upjutting 1 1/8"
steerer stem! I could use one of those for the Race Lite and a flared drop
bar. (And make the larger grabsack big enough for a 15" laptop.)

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Sweet! I really like this semi-TIGed direction you guys are taking so
> there can be more design flexibility, plus the ability to provide a lower
> point of entry for Riv frames. Of course the fancy fully-lugged frames will
> always be the cat's pajamas of Rivendell, but I think it's fair to say that
> steel tubes connected in the correct geometry is more important than the
> joining method. Every time I get on my new CLEM, the first/only thing I
> notice is how great it rides. The only time I ever think about which parts
> are welded and which parts are lugged is when it's sitting in the living
> room. And most of THAT time is spent looking at the bendy stays and
> thinking, "I don't care what anybody says, I'm SURE they're shock
> absorbing." Bring on ROSCO! ;-)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Lungimsam]

The only reason he grew the beard longer is for the air drag so the rest of the 
peloton could keep up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Joe Bernard]

Not to derail the topic - that means I'm derailing the topic while denying it - 
but why do people still drag laptops along on a bike? I've gotten to where I 
use my smartypants phone for most web stuff at home..I can't see where I would 
need the huge version on the road. 

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Wayne Naha]

Congratulations, new Father!  Yes, your life will be different, but better. 
 Many people will offer advice, lots of it good advice, but choose your own 
way.  People have been raising children for a long time now, what works is 
not rocket science.  It is a privilege to be blessed with the children. 
 Enjoy them!  This will be the best thing you will ever do.

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 4:25:08 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
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> Jim, enjoy your new life! Available trumps perfect.
> Ben

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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, definitely protect the paint. I had two spots rubbed through to bare metal 
on my Homer. I'll still use the rack if I have to but will protect with foam or 
a towel. Two or three layers of electrical tape would probably work well. My 
two spots were under the top tube and on the seat tube where it meets the top 
tube.

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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[dougP]

Duct tape foam pipe insulation around all the tubes to protect them.  
Remove the pedals.  Use the luggage (for a trip of that distance there must 
luggage eh?) for packing.  The bike will be fine.  

The rack is OK but I'd worry about theft.  Pipe insulation & bungee cords 
or Keven's straps can secure the bike & protect it from damage.  Hanging 
it's not going to hurt a thing.  

dougP

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 5:22:33 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> If you hang it outside, you'll probably get some paint scuffing from 
> the contact points of the rack. Not a huge deal, but you may feel 
> otherwise. 
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > I would lie my bike on its side any day before strapping it to a trunk 
> rack. I kinda hate transporting bikes outside the car, which is why I own a 
> couple folders which fit in my Fiat Abarth. 
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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[dougP]

Dave:

My Atlantis is a 58 & my PBH is 85-86 cm.  I've ridden Hugh's 56 & also 
Ian's 61.  The 56 would only require minor seat adjustment to fit and the 
61 felt a bit stretched out, with not much stand-over clearance (on 45 mm 
Smart Sams).  If you look on the Atlantis sizing chart there is overlap 
between sizes so they're pretty versatile that way.  If your PBH is within 
the size range for a given size you are fine.  Let your PBH be your guide.  

dougP

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:12:48 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
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> Hi Dave,
>
> My PBH is 84cm~84.5cm and saddle height 72.5cm~73cm. 
>
> I have ridden a 53.5cm, 58cm & 61cm the 53.5cm felt small but rode really 
> nice. The 58cm felt good and would fit me with very little standover but 
> would work it felt a bit taller but not a deal breaker. I was planning off 
> road riding so went with more stand over. The 61cm great but clearly too 
> large. It was a toss up between the 56 & 58.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Feb 12, 2016 1:09 PM, "Dave C"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what is your PBH? Have you ever ridden any of the other 
>> Atlantis frame sizes and compared them?
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:36:05 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Bump: Price drop $2200 Complete plus shipping.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 11:01 AM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:
>>>
 Hey y'all,

 Figured I shoot you the link to the Radavists 
  
 recent 
 post of Ole Willy.

 Complete build $2400 obo plus shipping
 Frame/Fork HS $1400 obo plus shipping

 PM me and we can chat.

 Tail Winds,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Ryan Fleming]

u software developers on-call who need to haul their laptops back and 
forth to work? that would be me...PITA as it isthank goodness it's not 
every week but it works out to about one week in 4 or 5

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> Not to derail the topic - that means I'm derailing the topic while denying 
> it - but why do people still drag laptops along on a bike? I've gotten to 
> where I use my smartypants phone for most web stuff at home..I can't see 
> where I would need the huge version on the road. 

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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Dave C]

Hugh,

Out of curiosity, what is your PBH? Have you ever ridden any of the other 
Atlantis frame sizes and compared them?

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:36:05 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Bump: Price drop $2200 Complete plus shipping.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Feb 9, 2016 11:01 AM, "Hugh Smitham"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey y'all,
>>
>> Figured I shoot you the link to the Radavists 
>>  
>> recent 
>> post of Ole Willy.
>>
>> Complete build $2400 obo plus shipping
>> Frame/Fork HS $1400 obo plus shipping
>>
>> PM me and we can chat.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Eric]

I would think being featured on the Radavist would bring a price increase! 

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[RBW] Reviews and/or photos of Big Ben 700c X 55 tires?

[iamkeith]

Is anybody in a position to share experiences with these tires?   I'm able 
to find photos and comments for the 50mm version, but *nothing* about the 
55mm version. Photos of them mounted on a bike would be fantastic! 

On the surface, it looks like it might provide a good compromise of the 
traits I'm seeking, but it kind of falls at the absolute skinniest end of 
the size range I'd want. If it runs true to size, it could work. But, if it 
runs small, then I don't know.   I believe (hope) that all of the photos on 
the website are of the 50mm version, so there's no way to even judge.  I'm 
slightly worried about it being too stiff too, but that's only because I've 
been spoiled by increasingly supple tires over the past few years.

I know that this group tends to gravitate that direction as well - like the 
new Big One which is a *great* size, but I think that might be too fragile. 
  I'm a little skeptical even of the Super Moto which, as far as I can 
tell, is a level up from the Big One in terms of both traction and 
durability.  Or could that the best choice? 

I'm thinking about putting these on my Clem which I bought with the 
intention of setting up more as an off-pavement dirt/trail bike but, 
because of the fit,  now think will be better suited as a pathway/town 
bike.   I'll still need to use it on some rough, rocky.. but level.. 
surfaces though.   All academic until the snow melts, but I'm dying to ride 
this bike and want to be ready to roll.

Thanks for whatever info you've got

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Re: [RBW] Reviews and/or photos of Big Ben 700c X 55 tires?

[Tim Gavin]

Super Motos are excellent tires.  They have tons of grip on pavement,
gravel, and dirt.  They will slide on loose dirt and mud, though.

The tread of the Big Ben would be a bit more secure in the slop than the
Super Moto's, but they're a heavier, less supple tire.  I think you'd be
giving up some of the cushion and speed possibilities of a large, supple
tire by going with Big Bens.

However, I think Super Motos are out of production now (replaced by the Big
One).

Thunder Burts are even lighter than any of the discussed tires (besides the
Big One), and knobbier as well.  They're pretty fantastic, and come in 2.1"
and 2.25" widths in 650b and 700c (2.1" only for 26").
I swapped out the Super Motos on my bike for Thunder Burts.



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:31 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Is anybody in a position to share experiences with these tires?   I'm able
> to find photos and comments for the 50mm version, but *nothing* about the
> 55mm version. Photos of them mounted on a bike would be fantastic!
>
> On the surface, it looks like it might provide a good compromise of the
> traits I'm seeking, but it kind of falls at the absolute skinniest end of
> the size range I'd want. If it runs true to size, it could work. But, if it
> runs small, then I don't know.   I believe (hope) that all of the photos on
> the website are of the 50mm version, so there's no way to even judge.  I'm
> slightly worried about it being too stiff too, but that's only because I've
> been spoiled by increasingly supple tires over the past few years.
>
> I know that this group tends to gravitate that direction as well - like
> the new Big One which is a *great* size, but I think that might be too
> fragile.   I'm a little skeptical even of the Super Moto which, as far as I
> can tell, is a level up from the Big One in terms of both traction and
> durability.  Or could that the best choice?
>
> I'm thinking about putting these on my Clem which I bought with the
> intention of setting up more as an off-pavement dirt/trail bike but,
> because of the fit,  now think will be better suited as a pathway/town
> bike.   I'll still need to use it on some rough, rocky.. but level..
> surfaces though.   All academic until the snow melts, but I'm dying to ride
> this bike and want to be ready to roll.
>
> Thanks for whatever info you've got
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Rod Holland]

One use case for that (lugging a laptop) is commuting...

rod

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[RBW] Pondering fatherhood

[BenG]

Jim, enjoy your new life! Available trumps perfect.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Joe Bernard]

Ah. I guess it was a stupid question..I know nothing about IT stuff. Back to 
bikes!

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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Eric Daume]

Salt is a big concern in the winter on a trunk rack. I would put it inside
if at all possible. Don't worry about loading the pedals, the bike weighs a
lot less than you do.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with
> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in
> any way?
>
> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will
> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car
> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for
> the arm/bb/pedal.
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
> I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"
>
> But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need
> to get to my destination doesn't allow it.
>
> What has been your experience?
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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[cyclotourist]

If you hang it outside, you'll probably get some paint scuffing from
the contact points of the rack. Not a huge deal, but you may feel
otherwise.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> I would lie my bike on its side any day before strapping it to a trunk rack. 
> I kinda hate transporting bikes outside the car, which is why I own a couple 
> folders which fit in my Fiat Abarth.
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[RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Lungimsam]

Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with 
the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in 
any way?

I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will 
bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car 
floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for 
the arm/bb/pedal.

Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.

I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"

But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need 
to get to my destination doesn't allow it.

What has been your experience?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[islaysteve]

Interesting concept to use the spare forks.  I wouldn't have thought that small 
runs/ semi custom would be economically feasible.  The things you learn here!

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo

[Belopsky]

Looking to check out this shop when I'm in Portland in late may

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 7:09:15 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
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> Stopped off Rivelo when I was up north. Very nice space.
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BBgDMC-ItSU/
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[RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Joe Bernard]

I would lie my bike on its side any day before strapping it to a trunk rack. I 
kinda hate transporting bikes outside the car, which is why I own a couple 
folders which fit in my Fiat Abarth.

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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Dave,

My PBH is 84cm~84.5cm and saddle height 72.5cm~73cm.

I have ridden a 53.5cm, 58cm & 61cm the 53.5cm felt small but rode really
nice. The 58cm felt good and would fit me with very little standover but
would work it felt a bit taller but not a deal breaker. I was planning off
road riding so went with more stand over. The 61cm great but clearly too
large. It was a toss up between the 56 & 58.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Feb 12, 2016 1:09 PM, "Dave C"  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> Out of curiosity, what is your PBH? Have you ever ridden any of the other
> Atlantis frame sizes and compared them?
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:36:05 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Bump: Price drop $2200 Complete plus shipping.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Feb 9, 2016 11:01 AM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey y'all,
>>>
>>> Figured I shoot you the link to the Radavists
>>>  
>>> recent
>>> post of Ole Willy.
>>>
>>> Complete build $2400 obo plus shipping
>>> Frame/Fork HS $1400 obo plus shipping
>>>
>>> PM me and we can chat.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[islaysteve]

I'd be more concerned about carrying the bike outside the car, in the weather, 
parking ( theft risk), rear end collision, etc than I would be about the weight 
issue.  Take one pedal off to better distribute the load while it's lying on 
its side, brace it or something.  Anything is better than outside, IMO.  Steve

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[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, you are overthinking this.  The bike will be fine on the trunk rack 
provided nothing obviously bad happens.  If you are scared of something bad 
happening, and have room in the trunk, put it in the trunk.  The bike will 
be fine in the trunk.  

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 4:02:17 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with 
> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in 
> any way?
>
> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will 
> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car 
> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for 
> the arm/bb/pedal.
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
> I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"
>
> But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need 
> to get to my destination doesn't allow it.
>
> What has been your experience?
>

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[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, you're being neurotic and overthinking this. Grin. Check the straps 
when you gas up. Good to go!

Issues on a rack v. inside the car:
-- bugs
-- dirt settling on bike due to the vacuum at the rear of the car.
-- theft

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Anne Paulson]

I used the Chupacabra, which has similar tread to the Knard but which
mounted tubeless better on my Rabbit Hole rims. On the Divide, a rider
is going to spend almost all their time on dirt. I recommend a
mountain bike tire.

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> Anne, what 29x3 tire did you use? The Knard seems quite knobby for mixed 
> surface rides and holds onto mud & snow pretty aggressively.
>
> I may be retired in 2017 and the GDMBR is at the top of my to-do list.
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Belopsky]

Very nice! 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:58:36 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Seems like a good build with lots of extras at what I'd consider a bargain:
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/5443873624.html
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Anne Paulson]

Since Rich rode the Divide a few years ago, the Canadian route has
been changed. The new section from Sparwood to the US border has a
worse surface and steeper hills.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Rich Lesnik  wrote:
> I rode my Riv. custom (basically a beefed-up Atlantis-type frame, customized
> for me) from Calgary to Banff, then took the Great Divide to Whitefish MT.
> Full load, front/rear bags, saddle and handlebar bags. Ritchey Crossbite
> (1.6") tires. No problems whatsoever. You can see some photos on the
> "Gallery" page at www.handsonwheels.com. My advice: don't over-plan -- "just
> ride."
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling
>> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana.
>>
>> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then
>> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields
>> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields
>> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers,
>> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>>
>> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride
>> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a
>> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I
>> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the
>> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about
>> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail?
>>
>>
>> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Eric,

You would think. The Apaloosa doesn't help :)

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[dstein]

Congrats! Once you get over the initial 'what the hell did am I doing 
phase' (lasts 1-2 months) you'll want to negotiate with your spouse on 
weekend time to get some bike riding in, at least till they turn 4 or 5 and 
they start filling your calendar with activities, b-day parties, etc. 

My wife and I approach it like divorced parents with custody time (but 
we're happily married): I take the toddler on Saturday (and usually hit up 
some parks, zoos, or museums) while she works out, does yoga, and does all 
the things she needs to do. Then on Saturday its her turn and I take the 
bike out, coming back right around the end of afternoon nap time. Works 
great! For now ;)

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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Hole in one!

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

>
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/12/2016 07:02 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles 
with the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the 
bike in any way?


Odds are good it would damage the paint.  Racks like that are 
notoriously hard on bike paint jobs.





I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank 
will bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to 
the car floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of 
that is ok for the arm/bb/pedal.


Worst case, if you're worried roll up an old towel and stick it under 
the frame.  But the weight of a frame isn't really very much







Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.


You're right.


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