[RBW] Large saddlesack simplest and/or cheapest way to mount on a bike without a rack and no eyelets?

[drew]

The large is huge. Even the medium is as big or bigger than the largest 
carradice. Why go so big if you only want to haul light loads? In my 
experience, the large/wide/flat bottom of saddlesacks necessitates a rack or 
flattish support system for optimal use, where a rounder bottom bag can hang or 
sit on a hupe/bagman/alternative seat mounted support easier.

I'm sure somebody has done it, but for my personal taste, even a mark's rack on 
the rear wasn't enough of a base for the large saddlesack.

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[RBW] Large saddlesack simplest and/or cheapest way to mount on a bike without a rack and no eyelets?

[Daniel D.]

I have three bikes I'd like to use with a saddlesack.  I'd rather buy the 
large not the medium.  But one of the bikes, an older road bike, doesn't 
have eyelets.  Is there a cheap and easy way to get the large saddlesack 
installed on a bike with no rack?  Only going to carry light loads on that 
bike at most 10 pounds.

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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[dougP]

Great that even the sportiest bike from Riv will handle 38s.  Getting 
introduced to the Verdugos tomorrow by some local LA guy you may know.  

dougP

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 8:30:20 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Rene, it's a baby blue but I don't know the exact color. I bought it 
> from the group member Don Compton so he would be the one to ask. He might 
> have told be but I can't remember. I like it as well so thanks.
>
> Hi Doug, I have used the Compass Barlow Pass 38mm on the Rodeo and they 
> work very nice. There isn't a lot of clearance in the chain stays but I 
> have off-roaded single track with Dr. Greenblatt and it worked awesome. I 
> have those tires running on my Ritchey Breakaway Titanium Cyclocross and 
> really like them on that bike. They are a little difficult to seat on the 
> Ritchey Zeda II tubeless ready wheels but that might be more the rims than 
> tires. I finally got them going with no lumps and it's going well. I'll 
> have to forward a picture of that bike sometime. I thought the swell was 
> winding down but would be great to see some bigger waves tomorrow. Although 
> I'm mountain biking along my older daughters track team tomorrow morning.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:26 PM, dougP  
> wrote:
>
>> Bruce:
>>
>> Check it out tomorrow; bigger swell coming in.  I see you've got the 
>> official water bottles.  Nice build.  Interesting comment about the wider 
>> tires.  I wonder how it would do with 38s?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:20:42 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.
>>>
>>> Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's 
>>> wonderful but expensive :)
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  wrote:
>>>
 A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Clayton.sf]

I am happiest with 165 too, though never tried shorter. 6' tall, more of a 
masher than spinner. Use them on all bikes ss mtb, fixed road, and geared bikes 
alike.

Clayton Scott
SF,CA

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[RBW] FS: Bates path racer, Grand Bois stem, Paul brake

[Clayton.sf]

Size large. Currently on eBay. Look for clay10sf

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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[Don Compton]

I was the original owner. 
A little history: when Riv first came out with the Roadeo, I e-mailed Grant 
P that I was excited for Riv to offer a road-oriented bike. I told I wanted 
one and he offered me his frame. I drove to Riv in Walnut Creek and after 
going the crazy color books, Grant talked me into "Mary's blue". Mary is 
Grant's wife and it's her favorite color. It's a light gray blue with a 
gold overspray.
I sold this bike because I was having crotch problems with my Brooks 
saddles. Well, I foung a Specialized Mtn saddle and bought another Roadeo 
and sold all but two of my bikes. I ride my current on every ride.

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 6:31:56 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> Beautiful color. What is it?
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016, Bruce Smitham  > wrote:
>
>> thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.
>>
>> Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's 
>> wonderful but expensive :)
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  wrote:
>>
>>> A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Rene, it's a baby blue but I don't know the exact color. I bought it
from the group member Don Compton so he would be the one to ask. He might
have told be but I can't remember. I like it as well so thanks.

Hi Doug, I have used the Compass Barlow Pass 38mm on the Rodeo and they
work very nice. There isn't a lot of clearance in the chain stays but I
have off-roaded single track with Dr. Greenblatt and it worked awesome. I
have those tires running on my Ritchey Breakaway Titanium Cyclocross and
really like them on that bike. They are a little difficult to seat on the
Ritchey Zeda II tubeless ready wheels but that might be more the rims than
tires. I finally got them going with no lumps and it's going well. I'll
have to forward a picture of that bike sometime. I thought the swell was
winding down but would be great to see some bigger waves tomorrow. Although
I'm mountain biking along my older daughters track team tomorrow morning.

Cheers,

Bruce

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:26 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Bruce:
>
> Check it out tomorrow; bigger swell coming in.  I see you've got the
> official water bottles.  Nice build.  Interesting comment about the wider
> tires.  I wonder how it would do with 38s?
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:20:42 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>
>> thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.
>>
>> Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's
>> wonderful but expensive :)
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  wrote:
>>
>>> A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.
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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[dougP]

Bruce:

Check it out tomorrow; bigger swell coming in.  I see you've got the 
official water bottles.  Nice build.  Interesting comment about the wider 
tires.  I wonder how it would do with 38s?

dougP

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>
> thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.
>
> Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's 
> wonderful but expensive :)
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  
> wrote:
>
>> A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[René Sterental]

Beautiful color. What is it?

On Friday, February 26, 2016, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.
>
> Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's
> wonderful but expensive :)
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  > wrote:
>
>> A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Albastache

[René Sterental]

I do. Installed once, never taped. PM me for details. I'm in Sacramento
today, driving home tomorrow afternoon after attending NAHBS.

René

On Friday, February 26, 2016, Justin Schoop  wrote:

> Looking to pick up an albastache if anyone has one that they would like to
> get rid of. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great story Dave, I can picture that to! :)

Kevin what is your route to go from Mount Vernon to Tysons?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:28 PM Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> My commute this morning was uphill and into the wind from Mount Vernon to
> Tysons Corner.  It was brutal but, boy, what a great ride home later that
> afternoon: downhill and a 15-20 mph tailwind virtually the whole way.
> Didn't know a Hunqapillar could go that fast.
> Kevin
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 6:59:02 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> The wind was fierce today...  I was sucking wind (literally) both ways
>> and generally felt pretty worn out.  Wind is the part of the forecast I pay
>> the least attention to but days like today will make me rethink that!
>>
>> Did you have to shoulder your (great looking) XOXO over that monster or
>> was there a clear path around it?
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Re: [RBW] Stealing bikes

[Justin August]

Bill-
Yup! It's fantastic. Doesn't see as much road time as she should but is a looker


Hugh-
I'll take that Betty off your hands if you need me to. 

-Justin

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[RBW] FS: Bates path racer, Grand Bois stem, Paul brake

[Justin August]

What size is that RGT jacket and are you selling it?

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Kevin Lindsey]

My commute this morning was uphill and into the wind from Mount Vernon to 
Tysons Corner.  It was brutal but, boy, what a great ride home later that 
afternoon: downhill and a 15-20 mph tailwind virtually the whole way. 
 Didn't know a Hunqapillar could go that fast.
Kevin

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> The wind was fierce today...  I was sucking wind (literally) both ways and 
> generally felt pretty worn out.  Wind is the part of the forecast I pay the 
> least attention to but days like today will make me rethink that!
>
> Did you have to shoulder your (great looking) XOXO over that monster or 
> was there a clear path around it?
>
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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Justin Schoop]

Jesus, that had me laughing just envisioning that. I pretty much had to low 
crawl my way under that tree this afternoon. Took my back to my days in the 
Army for a second. 

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Albastache

[Justin Schoop]

Looking to pick up an albastache if anyone has one that they would like to get 
rid of. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Lungimsam]

Once I was riding after a storm in Ellicott City, and a tree was across the 
road. It looked high enough to ride under so as I approached I went into a 
tuck with my adam's apple placed gently on the bar tops, face looking down 
at the pavement. Not smart.

I barely passed under the limb.

I learned that when riding, trees across the road are lower than they 
look. I hop off now and scoot under.

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Justin Schoop]

Yes, the weather report is looking great for Sunday so a friend and I are 
planning to spend the day out riding. 

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Lungimsam]

Yesterday I was coasting downhill in Columbia, Maryland and a headwind hit 
so hard I felt like I was gonna coast to a stop.
Just before that the bike was getting slapped around from a sideways wind.

But it is supposed to get up to 60F this weekend. Yeah!

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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Lungimsam]

Mayhap they will be warmer than metal pedals in winter? 

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Justin Schoop]

I actually ended up crawling under and then pulling the bike behind me. And 
then had to play limbo while crossing the bridge. It added a little excitement 
to my daily route, so I'm not complaining. 

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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

Mike

At least once on the Blug Grant indicated that they were doing a special 
rack for that crown.  He did not hint at what kind of rack it would be.

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 4:25:33 PM UTC-8, velomann wrote:
>
> If you like old school mountain bikes (I do) then every way they updated 
> that idea is pretty sweet. Those fork crowns! I'm hoping to see a rack 
> mounting that actually uses the crown braze-ons?
>
> Mike
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

Another highlight for me is the pedals.  I think they said they would be 
plastic, but they look exactly like thin gripsters.  Plastic pedals with 
nice bearings and nice robust grippy pins might be really good.  

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 2:13:31 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> They look cool!
>
> I wonder if that blue isn't more French and less green in real life, but 
> in either case, great color.
>
> The stamped logo on the S!lver crank is a really nice touch.
>
> Interesting they spec'd the Deore LX instead of the Altus. Wonder if that 
> was the spoils of price point.
>
> Gotta think that the "pie plate" is a CPSC thing when you import complete 
> bikes.
>
> Still can't get down with the multi-nipples.
>
> Looking forward to some ride reports.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[velomann]

If you like old school mountain bikes (I do) then every way they updated 
that idea is pretty sweet. Those fork crowns! I'm hoping to see a rack 
mounting that actually uses the crown braze-ons?

Mike

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-8, Neil wrote:
>
> Just saw photos of the complete Joe Appaloosas on the BLUG, and I has 
> thoughts...
>
> - Blue n' cream is gorgeous! Maybe I'm biased cuz it resembles my Sam.
> - Mustard is pretty fugly to me, but I remember liking it in person.
> - I like the fork. A lot.
> - I'm glad I don't own a bike with two top tubes.
> - That Silver crank set tho! I like. Somehow looks more 'industrial' than 
> the Sugino.
> - WTH are 'Kwik Bitumen' tires? Extra points for getting 'bitumen' on a 
> sidewall!
>
> Congrats to all those eagerly awaiting arrival of their new bikes!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Sam

[Rich Lesnik]

Forgot to mention: photos of the bike (with Albatross bars) can be seen on 
the "staff bikes" page of the Rivendell site.

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-8, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
> I have a pristine 52cm Waterford-built (w/Taiwan fork) Sam which I'll be 
> selling. Color is "grilver" (a pearlish gray-green color) Available as 
> frame/fork, or in various stages of "complete bike" as requested. 
> Components I'll have available include a "frog" seatpost (from "back in the 
> day" at Rivendell), drivetrain from a new Joe Appaloosa (Crank, bb, 
> front-rear derailers), Joe Appaloosa wheels (finished by me), Albastache 
> bar with bar-ends and dirt-drop stem, Silver long-reach dual-pivot brakes. 
> Prefer local pickup. Max saddle height is 72cm. $1500 
> frame/fork/bb/seatpost,brakes. $1800 complete bike. Contact me separately 
> at richles...@gmail.com.
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO VP 001 pedals.

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was shopping for the same, seems like a decent selection on ebay right 
now...

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Tony DeFilippo]

The wind was fierce today...  I was sucking wind (literally) both ways and 
generally felt pretty worn out.  Wind is the part of the forecast I pay the 
least attention to but days like today will make me rethink that!

Did you have to shoulder your (great looking) XOXO over that monster or was 
there a clear path around it?

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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Bill Lindsay]

On your crankset are you really asking for your two chianrings to be 36T 
and 40T?  That's like a half step without granny in the subcompact size 
range.  That's cool if that's what you want and/or need.  A lot of people 
will tell you that you need a higher gear than 40 x 12, or will at least 
tell you why they need a higher gear then 40x12.  If you live in a 
non-hilly area, then I guess the other consideration is a 1x9.  

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I floated this with Rivendell this morning:
>
> *Color*
>
>  
>
> Looking at Joe Bell’s IMRON PDF here:
>
> http://www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf 
>
>  
>
> I’m leaning heavily towards Berry Red Metallic (44464)
>
>  
>
> *Parts*
>
>  
>
> Chris King headset
>
> Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
>
> Nitto Choco-norm bars with Tallux stem (flipped down like the SH Choco 
> build shows)…I’d better measure my current Nitto stems (have a Pearl, 
> Tech-deluxe and a lugged and I do like stem and saddle roughly level)
>
> Brakes..Paul Racer Centerpull and I like the look of those Tektro 
> “mountain” levers
>
> Brooks B-17 Select w Nitto S-83 seatpost
>
> Wheels (Rich Lesnik build – 650B whatever Velocity Rim he likes White 
> industries M-15 hubs 36H rear 32 H front, tires …those 650B Paselas with 
> the folding bead would be awesome if you still have them
>
> Drivetrain:
>
> Sugino compact double (can I do a 36 X 40 front?). Realistically, I don’t 
> live in the hills so I feel I don’t need a triple…My A/R is triple
>
> Your 9-speed IRD  cassette
>
> Ultegra barend shifters 
>
> Deore XT front and rear derailleurs…I guess I need the GS medium cage
>
> Pedals…the $40 MKS touring cylocross pedals  ; I like MKS pedals…I have a 
> pair of fancies, but I like the inexpensive ones
>
>  
>
> Accessories
>
> Cream SKS longboard fenders
>
> 2 King Iris cages
>

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Justin Schoop]

Philip, it's on part of the Northwest Branch trail heading towards Adelphi, MD. 
It's my daily route to College Park. About 2 hours later when I was heading 
home a crew had cleaned it all up. With the tornado warnings we had the other 
night I'm sure stuff is down all over the place. 

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Re: [RBW] Rodeo photeo

[Bruce Smitham]

thanks guys. the waves aren't bad either.

Ryan, it's a White Industries VBC crankset 44/28 and BB. I think it's
wonderful but expensive :)

Bruce

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:50 PM, WETH  wrote:

> A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.
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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Ryan Fleming]

Oh...Garth, that's good to know. Thanks

To my eye the darker shades look the best with the cream accents, head 
tube, etc. . I feel the contrast is more striking. 

Also, believe it or not , autumn is pretty much my favourite season, and 
 one reason is that I love the  fall palette of colours...the golds, the 
greens, the orange and that deep, deep red..

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 4:10:22 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   You'll be alright with your choice Ryan .  I chose my Imron paint from 
> that very chart and in "real life" it was what I anticipated .  Imron 
> metallics always shift their appearance quite brilliantly from changes in 
> light so even the swatches themselves are only accurate in the light of the 
> photo taken. If the light was different the swatch would appear a little 
> different too !  It's quite cool paint :) 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New 650B Dyno Wheel (Shimano DH-3N72) and Clem Bars (maybe)

[RDS]

Wheel sold.  Clem frame or bike is only item left for sale.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 9:02:11 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> See pics at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6SG1wbnJTdzhOYVE
>
> For sale is a brand new never used front wheel with a Shimano DH-3N72 dyno 
> hub.  Wheel size is 650B as I requested that this be made for my 52 Clem. 
>  I do not really have any details about the rim itself.  It is silver with 
> no writing other than the "Rich Lesnik" sticker on the rim.  I have no idea 
> how to measure a rim, but from outside-to-outside it looked like 25mm for a 
> width.  I installed a tube and tire, but never put it on the bike (tube and 
> tire not included).  Paid $280 and I will take $250 with me paying the 
> shipping cost.  Wheel located in Georgia.
>
> I am debating whether to sell my Clem 52.  If you are interested, contact 
> me via email for questions.  The frame was damaged during shipping and has 
> a dent on the top tube though no structural damage of any kind was done 
> (probably the handlebars made the dent).  After speaking with Riv, I 
> decided to keep the bike at the time and to their credit I received a Riv 
> gift certificate though the damage was done by one of the shipper's.  I 
> don't really find any fault with the Clem.  I have nothing negative to say 
> about the Clem.  Something just doesn't feel right to me (probably due to 
> my odd body proportions and stiff back).  I'm not sure what I am going to 
> do at this point.  I may keep it, may just sell the original bars, may sell 
> it as a frame, or might sell it complete at a good deal due to the frame 
> dent.  Bike located in Georgia.
>
> After all of that Clem rambling, if no one is interested in the bike, I 
> may just sell the original bars.  I have no idea of a price range for 
> these, so I'll listen to any reasonable offer.  Bars measure approx 56mm 
> from outside to outside at the bar ends.
>

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[RBW] East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[WETH]

That's quite the obstacle.  I road/coasted south to work with the winds at my 
back this morning and battled it all the way home as I pedaled north!  Looking 
forward to a warmer and calmer weekend.  The potholes in NW DC are growing in 
depth and number.

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[RBW] Rodeo photeo

[WETH]

A beautiful bike. Thanks for sharing the photos.

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Philip Kim]

Justin whereabouts is that? I'm in Mt. Pleasant in DC.

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 4:49:30 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I encountered this little obstacle on my way to College Park this 
> afternoon and thought it was worth sharing. Notice the other tree laying 
> over the bridge. Also, creeks are up and trails are covered with a lot of 
> mud, still a great day for a ride.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128930488@N06/25184620211/in/datetaken/
>

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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[sameness]

They look cool!

I wonder if that blue isn't more French and less green in real life, but in 
either case, great color.

The stamped logo on the S!lver crank is a really nice touch.

Interesting they spec'd the Deore LX instead of the Altus. Wonder if that 
was the spoils of price point.

Gotta think that the "pie plate" is a CPSC thing when you import complete 
bikes.

Still can't get down with the multi-nipples.

Looking forward to some ride reports.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Deacon Patrick]

Barkin' mad, lad! There's a whole stoppage of xylem and phloem that makes 
the sap in my veins freeze up. Extra adventure always welcome!

I had a similar unexpected "gate" on one of my recent rides. Not as 
impressive in size at that behemoth though.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 2:49:30 PM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I encountered this little obstacle on my way to College Park this 
> afternoon and thought it was worth sharing. Notice the other tree laying 
> over the bridge. Also, creeks are up and trails are covered with a lot of 
> mud, still a great day for a ride.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128930488@N06/25184620211/in/datetaken/
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Garth]

  You'll be alright with your choice Ryan .  I chose my Imron paint from 
that very chart and in "real life" it was what I anticipated .  Imron 
metallics always shift their appearance quite brilliantly from changes in 
light so even the swatches themselves are only accurate in the light of the 
photo taken. If the light was different the swatch would appear a little 
different too !  It's quite cool paint :) 

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[RBW] Re: Rodeo photeo

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet, unassuming, awesome, go fast ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I just wanted to share with the group how pleased I am with my Rodeo.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rodeo photeo

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice! Are those White Industry cranks you are using? Thanks!

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:36:23 PM UTC-6, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> I just wanted to share with the group how pleased I am with my Rodeo. 
> Before getting out on a 25 mile ride up the coast, I re-installed the 
> original 44cm Noodles and I have to say that I really love these bars. I 
> under-estimated the comfort they provide as well as so many hand positions. 
> I feel a little stretched out as I begin my rides so I stay in the curves, 
> just behind the hoods. As I warm up on my ride I start to stretch out and 
> ease into the hoods. Very comfortable indeed. I also switched my tires from 
> Compass Stampede Pass 32mm to Schwalbe Kojak 34mm and there is a noticable 
> difference. No twitchiness and more stable. I think Riv bikes just work 
> well with certain components. The Noodles and Kojaks are just 2 examples. 
> Perfect day/perfect bke.
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[RBW] East Coast Storm - Maryland Trail Conditions

[Justin Schoop]

I encountered this little obstacle on my way to College Park this afternoon and 
thought it was worth sharing. Notice the other tree laying over the bridge. 
Also, creeks are up and trails are covered with a lot of mud, still a great day 
for a ride.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/128930488@N06/25184620211/in/datetaken/

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Amit Singh]

See y'all there!

Amit

On Thursday, 11 February 2016 09:18:11 UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
> how does this sound?
>
> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
> , corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
> Convention Center. 
> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
> Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
> distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>
> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite 
> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get 
> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to 
> New Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
> lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 
>
> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 
>
> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
>  If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
> do.  
>
> See you soon,
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Garth]

   Neither am I !  And regardless of the intent, content or anything 
period  . .  . my thanks stands for you as well as the Patrick n' Moore and 
everyone here .  Nothing can change this.


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> I'm not sure I said what you think I said. Regardless, you are most 
> welcome!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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[RBW] FS: 52 Sam

[Rich Lesnik]

I have a pristine 52cm Waterford-built (w/Taiwan fork) Sam which I'll be 
selling. Color is "grilver" (a pearlish gray-green color) Available as 
frame/fork, or in various stages of "complete bike" as requested. 
Components I'll have available include a "frog" seatpost (from "back in the 
day" at Rivendell), drivetrain from a new Joe Appaloosa (Crank, bb, 
front-rear derailers), Joe Appaloosa wheels (finished by me), Albastache 
bar with bar-ends and dirt-drop stem, Silver long-reach dual-pivot brakes. 
Prefer local pickup. Max saddle height is 72cm. $1500 
frame/fork/bb/seatpost,brakes. $1800 complete bike. Contact me separately 
at richles...@gmail.com.

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Re: [RBW] New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Lungimsam]

Slow clap for Tim Gavin for the sprung flyer and low bars! I thought I was all 
alone around here!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm not sure I said what you think I said. Regardless, you are most welcome!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 1:33:55 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   Thank you for your honesty Patrick !
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:36:10 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> It appears, Garth, you know of one formula that is absolutely true. 
>> Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Ryan Fleming]

well...I'm taking a chance...it's real hard to tell on my monitor ...like 
Maroon, Dark rose and berry red are like a red wine colour, and that's kind 
of what I'm hoping for. It would be nice to see a Du-pont Imron colour book 
in the flesh. I know Grant has also suggested using Crayola crayons colour 
labels as a good thing to describe colour

Something like Homer's wine-dark sea...Patrick Moore will lke that I bet:) 

Tim, don't get me wrong, I think your Riv is a lovely colour



On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 2:27:32 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Rivs look good in red, though mine is a darker shade (maybe 44459?)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> I floated this with Rivendell this morning:
>>
>> *Color*
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looking at Joe Bell’s IMRON PDF here:
>>
>> http://www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I’m leaning heavily towards Berry Red Metallic (44464)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Parts*
>>
>>  
>>
>> Chris King headset
>>
>> Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
>>
>> Nitto Choco-norm bars with Tallux stem (flipped down like the SH Choco 
>> build shows)…I’d better measure my current Nitto stems (have a Pearl, 
>> Tech-deluxe and a lugged and I do like stem and saddle roughly level)
>>
>> Brakes..Paul Racer Centerpull and I like the look of those Tektro 
>> “mountain” levers
>>
>> Brooks B-17 Select w Nitto S-83 seatpost
>>
>> Wheels (Rich Lesnik build – 650B whatever Velocity Rim he likes White 
>> industries M-15 hubs 36H rear 32 H front, tires …those 650B Paselas with 
>> the folding bead would be awesome if you still have them
>>
>> Drivetrain:
>>
>> Sugino compact double (can I do a 36 X 40 front?). Realistically, I don’t 
>> live in the hills so I feel I don’t need a triple…My A/R is triple
>>
>> Your 9-speed IRD  cassette
>>
>> Ultegra barend shifters 
>>
>> Deore XT front and rear derailleurs…I guess I need the GS medium cage
>>
>> Pedals…the $40 MKS touring cylocross pedals  ; I like MKS pedals…I have a 
>> pair of fancies, but I like the inexpensive ones
>>
>>  
>>
>> Accessories
>>
>> Cream SKS longboard fenders
>>
>> 2 King Iris cages
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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Garth]

  Thank you for your honesty Patrick !


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> It appears, Garth, you know of one formula that is absolutely true. 
> Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Ryan Fleming]

I floated this with Rivendell this morning:

*Color*

 

Looking at Joe Bell’s IMRON PDF here:

http://www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf 

 

I’m leaning heavily towards Berry Red Metallic (44464)

 

*Parts*

 

Chris King headset

Phil Wood Bottom Bracket

Nitto Choco-norm bars with Tallux stem (flipped down like the SH Choco 
build shows)…I’d better measure my current Nitto stems (have a Pearl, 
Tech-deluxe and a lugged and I do like stem and saddle roughly level)

Brakes..Paul Racer Centerpull and I like the look of those Tektro 
“mountain” levers

Brooks B-17 Select w Nitto S-83 seatpost

Wheels (Rich Lesnik build – 650B whatever Velocity Rim he likes White 
industries M-15 hubs 36H rear 32 H front, tires …those 650B Paselas with 
the folding bead would be awesome if you still have them

Drivetrain:

Sugino compact double (can I do a 36 X 40 front?). Realistically, I don’t 
live in the hills so I feel I don’t need a triple…My A/R is triple

Your 9-speed IRD  cassette

Ultegra barend shifters 

Deore XT front and rear derailleurs…I guess I need the GS medium cage

Pedals…the $40 MKS touring cylocross pedals  ; I like MKS pedals…I have a 
pair of fancies, but I like the inexpensive ones

 

Accessories

Cream SKS longboard fenders

2 King Iris cages

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Garth]

   
 As if you are speaking otherwise . . .  . . . sardonic grin ;) 



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>
> Garth: please stop with the foolish editorializing about EXISTENCE and 
> LIFE and MEANING. Editorialize all you want about bikes. Let's talk about 
> bikes.
>
> Patrick "or else I'm gonna quote Sam Johnson again" Moore
>
>
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[RBW] ISO VP 001 pedals.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thought maybe someone out there has a set they're not using? Looking for 
Black or Silver not really into the bling colors. Hit me up with a PM if 
you have some that need a new home.

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Garth]

  Yea . .  ..  It's all mud , farts and roses

  ahh  . . . . that smell .  .. .  can't you smell that smell ! 

Ahahahahahaahahahahaha !  !   !   



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>
> Indeed, Garth. Indeed. You've boldly stated what has been presumed in 
> every post I've made in this tread. Thank you for the clarity and the 
> humor. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[RJM]

I don't know, but I do know that I suffered knee pain and went from a 172.5 
length crank on the Roadeo to a 165 and it went away. I feel no difference 
in efficiency or speed or anything, just happier riding. I'm 5'7" and on a 
53cm Roadeo.

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 7:56:10 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Is there a rule of thumb to guide crank length choice?
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 10:14:21 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I swapped the 170s on the Fargo for 172.5s, and I don't think I notice 
>> any difference. But when I had 175s on an erstwhile Diamondback, with a 
>> fiddly 60" fixed gear (meant for off road) pedaling on flats was truly 
>> horrible. I switched to 170s things were far better. Same Pro 5 Vis crank 
>> model and same Phil bb. I later raised the gi to 64", which made the bike 
>> even better.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Michael Hechmer  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Really, interesting post.  I'll need more time to study it but would 
>>> like to offer one observation, that has lead me to hesitate in buying a 
>>> pair of these (besides not parting with the  considerable amount of cash).  
>>> I agree that I can not tell the difference between cranks 3mm or shorter 
>>> and have always ridden 175 & 172.5 without distinction; but when I go to 
>>> 170 I am prone to some knee pain after about two hours of riding.  So, 
>>> would I know the difference in a 171; I don't know, but it still feels like 
>>> a big gap between 171 & 177.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't 171, 175, 179 be a bit more forgiving.  Of course the dye is 
>>> cast, so to speak.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 9:38:27 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:

 A photo essay along the lines of the old Bridgestone catalogues where 
 Grant explained how things were made: The steps in forging our Compass 
 cranks and what is involved.


 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/rene-herse-cranks-177-and-165-mm/

 Enjoy!

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 www.compasscycle.com

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[RBW] Re: FS: New 650B Dyno Wheel (Shimano DH-3N72) and Clem Bars (maybe)

[RDS]

Price drop on wheel to $225 shipped.

I have a 52 Clem (minus the handlebars) for sale.  See comment above about 
the dent in the top tube.  I will sell the Clem 52 (minus handlebars) for 
$1100 shipped from Georgia.  I will sell the frame only and/or part it out 
if necessary.


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> See pics at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6SG1wbnJTdzhOYVE
>
> For sale is a brand new never used front wheel with a Shimano DH-3N72 dyno 
> hub.  Wheel size is 650B as I requested that this be made for my 52 Clem. 
>  I do not really have any details about the rim itself.  It is silver with 
> no writing other than the "Rich Lesnik" sticker on the rim.  I have no idea 
> how to measure a rim, but from outside-to-outside it looked like 25mm for a 
> width.  I installed a tube and tire, but never put it on the bike (tube and 
> tire not included).  Paid $280 and I will take $250 with me paying the 
> shipping cost.  Wheel located in Georgia.
>
> I am debating whether to sell my Clem 52.  If you are interested, contact 
> me via email for questions.  The frame was damaged during shipping and has 
> a dent on the top tube though no structural damage of any kind was done 
> (probably the handlebars made the dent).  After speaking with Riv, I 
> decided to keep the bike at the time and to their credit I received a Riv 
> gift certificate though the damage was done by one of the shipper's.  I 
> don't really find any fault with the Clem.  I have nothing negative to say 
> about the Clem.  Something just doesn't feel right to me (probably due to 
> my odd body proportions and stiff back).  I'm not sure what I am going to 
> do at this point.  I may keep it, may just sell the original bars, may sell 
> it as a frame, or might sell it complete at a good deal due to the frame 
> dent.  Bike located in Georgia.
>
> After all of that Clem rambling, if no one is interested in the bike, I 
> may just sell the original bars.  I have no idea of a price range for 
> these, so I'll listen to any reasonable offer.  Bars measure approx 56mm 
> from outside to outside at the bar ends.
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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

The 650B tire model on the 51cm Appaloosa (now posted on the BLUG) looks to 
be called the "KENDA Kranium".  That's pretty funny


On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
>
>> - WTH are 'Kwik Bitumen' tires? Extra points for getting 'bitumen' on a 
>> sidewall!
>>
>>
>>
> Kenda Kwik Bitumens? They're like Schwalbe's Delta Cruiser commuter tires, 
> is my impression. One of my boss's Cannondale Quick wears them too, so, 
> Riv's not the only one speccing them. Nothing special, but they're not 
> Cheng Shins either. 
> http://bicycle.kendatire.com/en-us/find-a-tire/bicycle/commuter/kwick-bitumen/
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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Deacon Patrick]

Indeed, Garth. Indeed. You've boldly stated what has been presumed in every 
post I've made in this tread. Thank you for the clarity and the humor. 
Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:12:15 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>   Regardless ,  Lungimsam's Proofide smells rancid to him and he's not 
> mistaken. 
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:39:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Tallow, properly rendered, lasts decades and is shelf stable and 
>> consumable. CF: Pemmican. (caveat: this presumes a 100% grass fed animal 
>> source for the fat).
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Garth]

  Regardless ,  Lungimsam's Proofide smells rancid to him and he's not 
mistaken. 


On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 12:39:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Tallow, properly rendered, lasts decades and is shelf stable and 
> consumable. CF: Pemmican. (caveat: this presumes a 100% grass fed animal 
> source for the fat).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Patrick Moore]

Also witness the plastic half gal or even gal buckets of lard routinely
sold in some NM grocery stores, at least those near the Navajo reservation,
along with 25 lb cloth bags of bleached flour for Fry Bread. I know that I
stored an *unopened *1 lb package of lard for ~1 year in my pantry closet
before I got tired of looking at it and tossed it; no smell.

[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Tallow, properly rendered, lasts decades and is shelf stable and
> consumable. CF: Pemmican. (caveat: this presumes a 100% grass fed animal
> source for the fat).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> > Proofide uses tallow, a natural product that turns rancid over time.
>>> This may still be used or replaced, but in the future store in a cool, dry,
>>> place or the freezer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 From here:
>> http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/spareparts/maintenance+products/Proofide+40g+Tin/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:49:32 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> That's just silly. We have anti-rancid technology, and have for
>>> thousands of years.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 Yes it can go rancid, maybe quicker in hot and humid climates.

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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Deacon Patrick]

Tallow, properly rendered, lasts decades and is shelf stable and 
consumable. CF: Pemmican. (caveat: this presumes a 100% grass fed animal 
source for the fat).

With abandon,
Patrick

> Proofide uses tallow, a natural product that turns rancid over time. 
>>  This may still be used or replaced, but in the future store in a cool, 
>> dry, place or the freezer.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From here: 
> http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/spareparts/maintenance+products/Proofide+40g+Tin/
>
>  
> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:49:32 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> That's just silly. We have anti-rancid technology, and have for thousands 
>> of years.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes it can go rancid, maybe quicker in hot and humid climates.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Deacon Patrick]

It appears, Garth, you know of one formula that is absolutely true. 
Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>> Formulas ?  I know of none that are absolutely true, and if it is not 
>> àbsolute it is null.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Garth]

>
> Written by Paula Mueller from Germany 4/12/2012 
>
> I have a tin of Proofide that is about seven years old. It smells awfully 
> rancid but the texture and colour are fine. Is there a reason not to use it 
> apart from the smell? 
> How can I prevent Proofide from turning rancid? Is it possible to 
> refrigerate or even freeze it?
>
>  

> > Proofide uses tallow, a natural product that turns rancid over time. 
>  This may still be used or replaced, but in the future store in a cool, 
> dry, place or the freezer.
>
>
>
>> From here: 
http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/spareparts/maintenance+products/Proofide+40g+Tin/

 
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>
> That's just silly. We have anti-rancid technology, and have for thousands 
> of years.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Yes it can go rancid, maybe quicker in hot and humid climates.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Patrick Moore]

Can anyone post the old article from the old RR or Bridgestone catalogue
that showed the step-by-step for forging cranks?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:23 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I was hoping to see a step-by-step illustration (I grew up watching Sesame
> Street & Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood) of how cranks are forged.  I've always
> been fascinated by manufacturing processes and the stem sequence in the Riv
> catalog baffles me.  Most of it is straight-forward but there is one step
> where I cannot figure out what has happened.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Patrick Moore]

Garth: please stop with the foolish editorializing about EXISTENCE and LIFE
and MEANING. Editorialize all you want about bikes. Let's talk about bikes.

Patrick "or else I'm gonna quote Sam Johnson again" Moore

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> àbsolute it is null.
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[RBW] Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love it. The fork, bars, crank... all of it. I wonder what rack they have in 
mind for those extra brazeons at the top of the fork. You could get a very 
rigid bag or basket platform with 4 point attachment.

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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Kieran J]

Dork Disc - I like it!

I also really like the mustard colour - especially when darkened by the 
underexposed photography. There's something mid-century modern about it.

KJ


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>
> @ Kieran:
> Those are jokingly called "dork discs". But I think they are great for 
> protecting spokes. Very functional. But I would only want a clear one on my 
> bike.
>
> As for the colors, I like both. Though I will say that I think an earthy 
> color matches the name "Appaloosa" better than the light blue. When I think 
> Appaloosa I think horse and grass and dirt and earthy colors.
>
> Congrats to all who got one! I am sure they are among the best bikes in 
> the world.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower Handlebars for Loaded Baskets & Porteur Racks?

[Justin August]

I find that, with quill stems, the higher then stem the more flex I feel with a 
front load. Does anyone else feel this on mid-to-high trail bikes?

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Ryan Fleming]

Actually, I like the dark mustard/dirty banana colour a lot...so much so 
that my 2001 Road was painted that colour, though at the time it was called 
Harvest Gold.If you remember the 70's colour scheme of avocado, harvest 
gold and brick/terra-cotta , you can imagine some of the grief I endured. 
But I'm glad I picked the colour.  I think your photos give a clearer 
impression.  I'm not so sure about the shade of blue...I thought it would 
be more like the SH blue, which I think is a really nice colour

I like those Appaloosas a lot; I really  like the bars, silver cranks and 
hubs, and the spoke protector...well it's not too intrusive.  About the 
only thing that I'd ditch would be the saddle ; that's fugly, but saddle 
preferences are so personal , for the terrific  intro price you could get 
 another saddle you like. Hope the Appaloosa buyers enjoy their new bikes, 
though

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 7:56:49 PM UTC-6, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I think those blug photos make the dirty banana color (my name for 
> their "mustard") look much darker than it actually is. If you check my 
> photos from when I took a test ride 
> (https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157663735364022) 
> you can see a range of light/dark. I think the photos where the bike 
> is in direct sunlight actually give a better impression of the actual 
> color. 
>
> I haven't seen the "blue" in person, so I'm wondering if it's actually 
> even brighter than it seems in these blug photos... 
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Lungimsam  > wrote: 
> > @ Kieran: 
> > Those are jokingly called "dork discs". But I think they are great for 
> > protecting spokes. Very functional. But I would only want a clear one on 
> my 
> > bike. 
> > 
> > As for the colors, I like both. Though I will say that I think an earthy 
> > color matches the name "Appaloosa" better than the light blue. When I 
> think 
> > Appaloosa I think horse and grass and dirt and earthy colors. 
> > 
> > Congrats to all who got one! I am sure they are among the best bikes in 
> the 
> > world. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower Handlebars for Loaded Baskets & Porteur Racks?

[Hunter Harr]

Over six feet tall, and proportioned tall in the body, so very tall 
sitting. I had no problem with that load, which was an outlier. Main use of 
that bike was grocery shopping. The rack would fit two standard reusable 
shopping bags perfectly. Now sitting, flop was a problem, see strap. But 
riding was easy, and the grips are a fair distance from rack and load.

Never even considered trying to stand a pedal on this thing. But must point 
out, FLORIDA, not much in the way of hills.


On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 6:57:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But could you see forward?
>
> My daughter had a 24" wheel Townie 3i or somesuch, and it was a 
> surprisingly comfortable ride -- hard to stand and pedal, though.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Hunter Harr  > wrote:
>
>> Bike handled fine, but was not fast, but very relaxed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,  I was looking at Google photos of bikes with porteur racks, and I 
>>> noticed that most bikes had un-Riv-like lower handlebars, placing the 
>>> handle bars closer to the rack and the load.
>>>
>>> On the Riv staff bike webpage, Sean & Jenny have their handle bars set 
>>> closer to their porteur racks as well.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list use a large basket and/or porteur rack, and how 
>>> do you like to set up your handlebars in relation to your front load?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

[Lee Legrand]

I would think that it is based on your fit on a bicycle.  Thigh
flexibility, how far you sit back on the bicycle etc and where your knee is
over toe is probably going to determine the best crank length.

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> I was hoping to see a step-by-step illustration (I grew up watching Sesame
> Street & Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood) of how cranks are forged.  I've always
> been fascinated by manufacturing processes and the stem sequence in the Riv
> catalog baffles me.  Most of it is straight-forward but there is one step
> where I cannot figure out what has happened.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 8:38:27 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:
>
>> A photo essay along the lines of the old Bridgestone catalogues where
>> Grant explained how things were made: The steps in forging our Compass
>> cranks and what is involved.
>>
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/rene-herse-cranks-177-and-165-mm/
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
>> www.compasscycle.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/26/2016 10:06 AM, Philip Williamson wrote:
It sounds like they can just re-market Proofide /as/ beard balm, and 
out-fop the fops.

"Beard oil? I use Pro-link."

I've never used any beard products, but now I feel inadequate. Maybe 
my wife can make me something nice.



Here's a start: *"28 Delicious Ways To Use Leftover Bacon Fat"* by 
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[RBW] Re: Rancid Proofhide

[Philip Williamson]

It sounds like they can just re-market Proofide *as* beard balm, and 
out-fop the fops. 
"Beard oil? I use Pro-link."

I've never used any beard products, but now I feel inadequate. Maybe my 
wife can make me something nice. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


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>
> Beard balm...now that's something RBW should sell.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags

[David Banzer]

Couple bags sold.
Lowered prices on the other two:

Basic Rando Bag - no 3d pockets, has side sleeves, zipper top pocket 
instead of map sleeve, olive green canvas, 10" tall - $110 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-basic-version

Saddle Wedge Prototype - tested out elastic cord/hook for easy 
opening/closing, used on a few rides - $35 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/saddle-wedge-prototype


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>
> Selling a few of my personal bags.
> I make these under the Treetop name.
> All bags are listed in my webstore: treetop.bigcartel.com.
> Please order through there if you'd like something. Payment can be made 
> with a credit/debit card or with Paypal.
> Shipping is a flat $7 per order, shipped USPS Priority mail.
> Local pickup is fine, but please order and pay to hold the bag for you. 
> Use code LOCAL to take off the shipping - only for Local Pickup of course.
> I have other ready-made bags available and chainrings, only listing the 
> new bags I've added in this thread.
> Go to the links for a little more info.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
> 1. Basic Rando Bag - no 3d pockets, has side sleeves, zipper top pocket 
> instead of map sleeve, olive green canvas, 10" tall - $125 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-basic-version
>
> 2. Hi-Viz Basket Bag - orange canvas, reflective strip, fits a Wald 137 
> basket, used, little dirty - $30 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-basket-bag-orange-hi-viz
>
> 3. Saddle Wedge Prototype - tested out elastic cord/hook for easy 
> opening/closing, used on a few rides - $40 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/saddle-wedge-prototype
>
> 4. Boxy Handlebar/Saddle Bag - black, used on a few rides - $45 - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-boxy-bar-saddle-bag-black
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[RBW] Re: How forged cranks are made

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was hoping to see a step-by-step illustration (I grew up watching Sesame 
Street & Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood) of how cranks are forged.  I've always 
been fascinated by manufacturing processes and the stem sequence in the Riv 
catalog baffles me.  Most of it is straight-forward but there is one step 
where I cannot figure out what has happened.  


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>
> A photo essay along the lines of the old Bridgestone catalogues where 
> Grant explained how things were made: The steps in forging our Compass 
> cranks and what is involved.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/rene-herse-cranks-177-and-165-mm/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
> www.compasscycle.com
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[RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Philip Kim]

ditto, those silver cranks look great. blue turned out great.

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 6:45:47 PM UTC-5, Neil wrote:
>
> Just saw photos of the complete Joe Appaloosas on the BLUG, and I has 
> thoughts...
>
> - Blue n' cream is gorgeous! Maybe I'm biased cuz it resembles my Sam.
> - Mustard is pretty fugly to me, but I remember liking it in person.
> - I like the fork. A lot.
> - I'm glad I don't own a bike with two top tubes.
> - That Silver crank set tho! I like. Somehow looks more 'industrial' than 
> the Sugino.
> - WTH are 'Kwik Bitumen' tires? Extra points for getting 'bitumen' on a 
> sidewall!
>
> Congrats to all those eagerly awaiting arrival of their new bikes!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Store Credit" on BLUG

[Philip Kim]

Could it be because they are possibly moving to offering more completes 
rather than frames with builds? This would require more money upfront than 
just frames only. I think the completes are a pretty good idea, as I'm sure 
they can make a bit more money, and make sure they don't have too much dead 
stock. Plus the customer gets a great price. $2100 for preordered Appaloosa 
is really good, comparable to a higher end QBP bike.


On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 2:44:19 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> They need to tackle the lightweight skinny tubed low trail bike genre.
> That would expand their customer base.
> Riv makes the most beautiful bikes on earth.
> They need to bring the most beautiful skinny tubed low trail one to market.
> Add to their customer base and still keep their lugged principles.
>
> This whole business (which is none of my business) of tig welding and the 
> recent slew of fundraising offers is making me wonder what is going on. I'd 
> hate to think they are making last ditch attempts to keep the business 
> running. I know they have done fundraising before but this is getting 
> frequent with all the pre-sales lately.
>
> I hope they are doing ok.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand New BIke Bags

[Philip Kim]

Frost River Sawbill Trail Handlebar bag only left.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Riv & frostriver saddle bag sold.
>
> Also adding Frost River Handlebar bag (
> https://www.frostriver.com/shop/bike-bags/sawbill-trail-handlebar-bag/)$40 
> shipped
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[jeffrey kane]

PDK is right: Riv pic uploads tend to run dark and dull -- hmm, maybe 
that's a trick they employ to make the first time you behold one in real 
life seem all the more special? ('cause for sure, they rarely seem to not 
pick good colors there) -- anyway, I'm thinking maybe my company should 
offer them some kind of services swap! :) Note shameless plug: 
lti-lightside.com ...

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 8:56:49 PM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I think those blug photos make the dirty banana color (my name for 
> their "mustard") look much darker than it actually is. If you check my 
> photos from when I took a test ride 
> (https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157663735364022) 
> you can see a range of light/dark. I think the photos where the bike 
> is in direct sunlight actually give a better impression of the actual 
> color. 
>
> I haven't seen the "blue" in person, so I'm wondering if it's actually 
> even brighter than it seems in these blug photos... 
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Lungimsam  > wrote: 
> > @ Kieran: 
> > Those are jokingly called "dork discs". But I think they are great for 
> > protecting spokes. Very functional. But I would only want a clear one on 
> my 
> > bike. 
> > 
> > As for the colors, I like both. Though I will say that I think an earthy 
> > color matches the name "Appaloosa" better than the light blue. When I 
> think 
> > Appaloosa I think horse and grass and dirt and earthy colors. 
> > 
> > Congrats to all who got one! I am sure they are among the best bikes in 
> the 
> > world. 
> > 
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[RBW] FS: 60cm Bombadil Complete

[Justin Schoop]

Price drop: $2000

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