[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Yep, I've also got the OD crank. I'm glad to hear you've gotten it to work, but 
my LBS has not been able to tame it. Aside from that, I really do hate having 
to use an FD on the trail and I get the sense that the simplified shifting will 
push me to improve my climbing ability instead of giving up and walking after a 
missed shift. I'm also having problems with chain rub on the tire when in the 
small chainring, largest sprocket combo. I don't doubt that it can be done, but 
I'm not trying to win this fight anymore.

 I bet the boost (148mm rear) spacing on the new Jones Plus will solve all 
these dilemmas, such is the cost of being an early adopter. 

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mike, I have been using a Surly OD (offset double) crank on my Jones Plus with 
a Deore front derailer. It has been completely flawless. Same set up same bike 
for a friend, same flawless result. Maybe we can save your current setup? 

PM me if you would like.
Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] A ride report of a 300K brevet ridden on an A. Homer Hilsen

[Lungimsam]

That was blazing fast!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks again for the shared pictures and experiences, after the 
preponderance of info provided here my wife seems willing to 'give it a 
try'... :)  It'll be a while though we're expecting our first child 
mid-June which I think puts Yepp mini eligibility somewhere in the 
winter-ish timeframe.

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

Forgot to mention, this is the cassette  
I'll be using, the new Sunrace 11-42 10-speed cassette. They sold out 
seemingly everywhere in 2 weeks according to my LBS, out of stock until 
late May. 

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>
> I just decided to convert my Jones Plus to 1X10 after a year of 
> frustration trying to make a double chainring setup work (constant 
> chainsuck/chaindrop). On my 3" tire setup I will have a gear range of 22.8 
> - 87 gear inches, whereas my earlier setup (39/26 chainrings and 11-34 
> cassette) gave a range of 22.9 - 106 gear inches. The 106 gear was crazy 
> tall for my Plus setup (also have a road wheelset), so I mostly topped out 
> in the 39-13 anyhow (89 gear inches). With this setup, I'm only losing 3% 
> off my typical high gear and my low end is identical. 
>
>  
>
> Having been a former Quickbeam rider, I still have a yearning for more 
> simplicity and not doing math while I'm riding trying to figure out gear 
> overlap or avoiding wicked cross-chaining is really appealing. I am also 
> really, really terrible at shifting the front chainring on singletrack and 
> generally just settle for being undergeared in my small ring, now I'll have 
> a continuous, non-overlapping gear range. I am really looking forward to 
> dispensing with the kludge and unreliability of a front derailleur, and I'm 
> not losing much for it. So I’ll take the dorky pie plate granny gear any 
> day! While I love going fast and had to rigorously work the Sheldon Gear 
> calculator to make sure I wasn't losing too much "go fast" on the top end, 
> I'd much prefer the elegance of a simpler and more reliable system and spin 
> faster on the flats and rest on downhills (love the Jan Heine tuck and 
> coast approach!). 
>
>  
>
> Included is a plot comparing the two systems. The 1X10 is in the middle, 
> between my current 39/26 setup. 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:36:53 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I just saw that too.   I know this wasn't the point of your posting, but 
>> I've never figured out why so many people on this board think these large 
>> cogs are so ridiculous.   I completely understand the goal of eliminating a 
>> front derailleur and, in my opinion,  this is just now finally... and just 
>> barely... getting to the point where a 1x drivetrain could be feasible and 
>> realistic.  Admittedly, it  really only works for mountainous trail riding, 
>> even then.  I'm assuming you'd use a single front ring around 30 or 32 
>> teeth, to still have a decent granny gear, so you wouldn't have the tall 
>> gears needed for road riding, and the steps between the middle cogs would 
>> probably be too big too.  
>>
>> You just have to think outside of the road bike and flattish, paved 
>> areas, to the places where I live and ride.
>>
>> The things that I think funny are 2x drivetrains.If you're going to 
>> need a derailleur and shifter anyway,  you might as well add that third 
>> ring and give yourself all the range you can use.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not April Fool's day, so it must be real:
>>>
>>> http://www.pinkbike.com/news/oneup-shark-50t-sprocket-kit-review.html
>>>
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Mike Shaljian]

I just decided to convert my Jones Plus to 1X10 after a year of frustration 
trying to make a double chainring setup work (constant 
chainsuck/chaindrop). On my 3" tire setup I will have a gear range of 22.8 
- 87 gear inches, whereas my earlier setup (39/26 chainrings and 11-34 
cassette) gave a range of 22.9 - 106 gear inches. The 106 gear was crazy 
tall for my Plus setup (also have a road wheelset), so I mostly topped out 
in the 39-13 anyhow (89 gear inches). With this setup, I'm only losing 3% 
off my typical high gear and my low end is identical. 

 

Having been a former Quickbeam rider, I still have a yearning for more 
simplicity and not doing math while I'm riding trying to figure out gear 
overlap or avoiding wicked cross-chaining is really appealing. I am also 
really, really terrible at shifting the front chainring on singletrack and 
generally just settle for being undergeared in my small ring, now I'll have 
a continuous, non-overlapping gear range. I am really looking forward to 
dispensing with the kludge and unreliability of a front derailleur, and I'm 
not losing much for it. So I’ll take the dorky pie plate granny gear any 
day! While I love going fast and had to rigorously work the Sheldon Gear 
calculator to make sure I wasn't losing too much "go fast" on the top end, 
I'd much prefer the elegance of a simpler and more reliable system and spin 
faster on the flats and rest on downhills (love the Jan Heine tuck and 
coast approach!). 

 

Included is a plot comparing the two systems. The 1X10 is in the middle, 
between my current 39/26 setup. 






On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:36:53 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I just saw that too.   I know this wasn't the point of your posting, but 
> I've never figured out why so many people on this board think these large 
> cogs are so ridiculous.   I completely understand the goal of eliminating a 
> front derailleur and, in my opinion,  this is just now finally... and just 
> barely... getting to the point where a 1x drivetrain could be feasible and 
> realistic.  Admittedly, it  really only works for mountainous trail riding, 
> even then.  I'm assuming you'd use a single front ring around 30 or 32 
> teeth, to still have a decent granny gear, so you wouldn't have the tall 
> gears needed for road riding, and the steps between the middle cogs would 
> probably be too big too.  
>
> You just have to think outside of the road bike and flattish, paved areas, 
> to the places where I live and ride.
>
> The things that I think funny are 2x drivetrains.If you're going to 
> need a derailleur and shifter anyway,  you might as well add that third 
> ring and give yourself all the range you can use.
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:47:56 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> It's not April Fool's day, so it must be real:
>>
>> http://www.pinkbike.com/news/oneup-shark-50t-sprocket-kit-review.html
>>
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't ever want to go back to multiple chainrings and although I would 
still prefer a Rohloff, this 50t system doesn't look too bad. 



On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 1:47:56 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> It's not April Fool's day, so it must be real:
>
> http://www.pinkbike.com/news/oneup-shark-50t-sprocket-kit-review.html
>
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr Size 52 Grey

[RDS]

I will consider any offers.  Since my last post, I have removed the front 
and rear racks from the Clem.  In doing so, paint chipped off as I removed 
the screws & rack.  See in pics.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6SG1wbnJTdzhOYVE
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6d2V5RjJiRXVZNFE

Be sure to read all posts as to see what is included or not included. 
 Again, I will listen to any offers.

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 8:23:00 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I have for sale a size 52 Clem Smith Jr Grey frame or semi-complete bike 
> *(minus 
> the handlebars;  replaced the stock tires)*.  I have already sold the 
> stock handlebars that come with the complete bike, so no handlebars are 
> included.  I have replaced the stock tires with Schwalbe Big Ben Raceguard 
> Performance line 48mm wide tires ($45 each at Riv).  Bike has been ridden 
> less than 15 all pavement miles.  So, I will consider any offers from the 
> frame only (frame/fork/headset/BB) to the whole bike (minus the handlebars 
> with the new replacement tires).
>
>
> *NOTE:  When I received the bike from Riv, the top tube had a dent (see 
> pics) that was created during the shipping process.  The top tube has a 
> dent from the handlebars from the shipping process and Riv said that there 
> are not any structural issues to worry about.  I decided the keep the bike 
> at that time after speaking with Riv about the dent.  Pics of 
> dent:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6cUlmM2hDaWxxb00 
> *
>
>
> I will take $650 for the frame/fork/BB/headset.  The bike will ship from 
> Georgia and I will split the shipping cost with the buyer.
> I will take $1,200 for the full bike *(handlebars/stem not included)* and 
> I will pay the shipping cost.
> I will ship to the Continental USA only.  Bike is located in Georgia.
>
>
> * Again, the handlebars (the original bars had the built in stem) are 
> not included and the original tires were replaced with Schwalbe Big Ben, 
> RaceGuard Performance line, wire - 650B x 48 (50-584, 27.5x2) which cost 
> $45 at Riv.*
>

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[RBW] FS: Sackville TrunkSack Small - Olive & Nitto Mini-Front Rack 32F

[Kim N]

Hey everyone,

I ended up going with a pass and stowe on my hunqapillar and am looking to 
sell my previous front rack + bag combo that are lightly used:

$110 - Sackville TrunkSack Small - Olive 
$125 - Nitto Mini-Front Rack 32F

Shipping to the contiguous USA is included. The price is $225 for both.

If interested and/or want to see photos let me know!

Thanks,
Kim

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosas set free

[iamkeith]

Damn it!  I couldn't jump on the pre-sale partly because of cash flow at 
the time, but also partly because I didn't know if my recently-purchased 
Clem was going to work out.   

Now all these months later, I STILL don't know if my Clem is going to work 
out, because it's still snowing every stinking day, as it has pretty much 
since I received the thing in October.   Worst and most un-fair release 
schedule ever for a bicycle.   

*I can't believe that, in the time since I ordered my Clem, the Appaloosa 
project was announced, built, shipped, received, ridden by many buyers in 
gentler climates, and is now released in frame-only format!*  

Hopefully the Clem will work and/or bubba won't offer a good replacement 
and/or one of these frames will be left, in my size and color, come June, 
when I know more. 

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:49:42 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>
> The rrumoured freeing of the Appaloosas has happened, in a limited 
> fashion. Three of each colour/size can be had as F Tempting...
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Appaloosas set free

[BSWP]

The rrumoured freeing of the Appaloosas has happened, in a limited fashion. 
Three of each colour/size can be had as F Tempting...

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[Garth]

Sram in on the madness too  . . . ..  
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-eagle-12-speed-drivetrain-first-ride-2016.html

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[dstein]

iamkeith - I think its just the price and 'lock in' that are the big 
drawbacks. Same reason a lot of people here choose friction bar end 
shifters rather than a brifter set up. For simplicity sake its nice to be 
able to build a bike out of a parts bin or swap out different components 
without having to worry about them having to match to a specific make/model 
(of course there is some matching you have to do with different speed 
cassettes, shifters, derailleurs, and cranks, but there is a lot more 
flexibility). Choosing all silver components for our fancy steel lugged 
bikes is also something hard to come by with the latest and greatest 
components.

That being said, I do really like the 1x11 and now 1x12 drivetrains coming 
out now. I think we all drooled when that 1x10 drivetrain hunqapillar was 
posted on the blug a while back. I hope they get popular enough that it 
drives the price down and is easier to mix and match parts. 

I go back and forth on the 2 x vs. 3 x thing all the time. 

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

[BSWP]

Makes the Rohloff IGH all the moar attractive, in my opinion.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Schwalbe tubes...tighten those presta valve cores!

[cyclotourist]

Awesome trick, thanks for forwarding that!

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Shoji Takahashi
 wrote:
> If you have the small Park chain tool (Mini Brute, I think... maybe others),
> you can use it to tighten/loosen valve cores.
>
> Here's a short video from another person (using a different chain tool):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdolc0sybgs
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 11:48:32 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> I used a leatherman multi tool plier to grab mine and turn it.
>
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe tubes...tighten those presta valve cores!

[Zack]

lol i can't believe there is a tool for this. 

i have also wondered why on earth the stem piece was removable, as it only 
ever causes me problems.

good stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Zach Duval]

Last year was an exceptionally dry year, and a nasty fire season was the 
result. This year's snowpack around the Flathead (and probably extending 
north) is somewhere around 100% of average. By July you should be fine, but 
this is something to keep in mind if making comparisons to last year's 
conditions.

I moved to the Flathead Valley last August, and don't have a lot to add to 
what Jonathan wrote concerning bear precautions. However, if by Whitefish 
you're up for more upscale camping, I'd highly recommend looking into the 
Whitefish Bike Retreat. The owner is super cool and has raced the Divide 
several times. Catering to Divide riders is basically her niche, and she 
could offer lots of info and probably several 2016 ride reports by the time 
you'll be coming through.

I was hoping to make it down to Missoula on my Sam, but have recently 
started a new job and won't be able to swing any extra time off work. Good 
luck with your ride!


On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 11:40:06 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:

> I started out last July 1, and there was no snow. I don't know what it 
> will be like this year. You should be OK starting in July. 
>
> There are some places where some people have to walk, and a few places 
> where everybody has to walk. Not too many places, though. 
>
> The GPS is a good idea. You should be OK following your friend's GPS 
> route. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Mark Reimer  > wrote: 
> > Anne - I was wondering if you could tell me a bit more about the Corbin 
> > route. Your comment about walking - is that because of the steep grades, 
> > terrain, snow, maybe all three? Any other general route advice? A friend 
> of 
> > mine raced the divide last year and gave me his GPS file to follow. I 
> was 
> > planning on basing my route on that and sticking as close to the 
> 'official' 
> > route as possible. 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> When you arrive in Sparwood, BC, will you be heading on to Fernie, or 
> >> will you start up the Crowsnest Pass and up past Corbin? 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer  
> wrote: 
> >> > Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've 
> booked 
> >> > my 
> >> > flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, 
> from 
> >> > Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more 
> >> > snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that 
> >> > will 
> >> > have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to 
> pushing 
> >> > my 
> >> > Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end... 
> >> > 
> >> > Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details! 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot. 
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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Love that laugh.

My kids would raise their arms up and scream/laugh when we rolled downhill. 
Wheee!



On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 10:30:42 AM UTC-4, Braxton Colagross wrote:
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> It's all about that laugh. https://www.instagram.com/p/7EBRAfSeB9/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[David Stein]

It's also all about the handlebars. I had some flat-ish bars (Jitensha) and
although I could easily see over the kiddo, my chin was basically resting
on her helmet because I was too far leaned over (5'7", 48cm Hunq). I put on
some Albatrossbars and that gave me the clearance I needed, but now she's
grown to the point where I should probably move her to a rear seat (plus
she's edging in on the yepp mini weight limit). Good thing the second kid
just came along so I can continue to use it for a few more years.

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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Braxton Colagross]

It's all about that laugh. https://www.instagram.com/p/7EBRAfSeB9/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Keith Muller]

Tony, 

So Lucy, my wife and myself took a ride down to the tidal basin this morning 
the see the cherry blossoms.  My wife had Lucy on her Cheviot and had no 
problems seeing over her.  Like I said previously, her Cheviot is a 50cm frame. 
 Me wife is about 5'3" tall and didn't have any complaints about seeing over 
Lucy.  I'll post a photo later when I get home.

Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Keith and Shoji!  Another quick and satisfying answer.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 08:25 Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Great pic, Keith. I love how Lucy's using the bullmoose as a toe rest.
>
>
> Tony,
> I'm 5'7"-- on a tall day. I've had no problems seeing over my 3.5 yo.
> She's now on a Yepp Maxi (rear seat), as she's over the weight limit of the
> front.
>
> Here's my kid shot w/me, standing, which is not much lower than when on
> the bike saddle (48-cm Hunqapillar):
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/23883607522/in/datetaken/
>
> I will say that riding with a kid on the rear seat is very different.
> Having the added weight between the wheels keeps the handling much easier,
> IME. Tail-wagging the dog feeling is a bit disconcerting, and
> mounting/dismounting and moving the bike while walking is more difficult
> (for me).
>
> Here's rear seat pic:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/25400970363/in/datetaken/
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 10:19:04 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> Nice Keith!
>>
>> Question from my wife who I showed the picture to... For shorter folks
>> with a front mounted child do you have any problem seeing over them?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 20:54 Keith Muller  wrote:
>>
> Daniel,
>>>
>>> They are Velo Orange Flutted 63mm Fenders.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:

 Keith that's awesome. What fenders are you running there?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Great pic, Keith. I love how Lucy's using the bullmoose as a toe rest.


Tony,
I'm 5'7"-- on a tall day. I've had no problems seeing over my 3.5 yo. She's 
now on a Yepp Maxi (rear seat), as she's over the weight limit of the front.

Here's my kid shot w/me, standing, which is not much lower than when on the 
bike saddle (48-cm Hunqapillar):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/23883607522/in/datetaken/

I will say that riding with a kid on the rear seat is very different. 
Having the added weight between the wheels keeps the handling much easier, 
IME. Tail-wagging the dog feeling is a bit disconcerting, and 
mounting/dismounting and moving the bike while walking is more difficult 
(for me). 

Here's rear seat pic:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/25400970363/in/datetaken/

Good luck!
shoji




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>
> Nice Keith!
>
> Question from my wife who I showed the picture to... For shorter folks 
> with a front mounted child do you have any problem seeing over them?
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 20:54 Keith Muller  
> wrote:
>
>> Daniel,
>>
>> They are Velo Orange Flutted 63mm Fenders.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> Keith that's awesome. What fenders are you running there?
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