[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Lungimsam]

Oops...I see that the tusks were raised.

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Lungimsam]

On the steely mammoth or the silvery Quickbeam?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks for the write up.  That was interesting.

Tim

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>
> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>
> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>
> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>
> - michael
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The
>> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so
>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some
>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the
>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going
>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled
>> to have one!
>>
>> Parts list:
>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>> VP Vice pedals
>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>
>> m
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Lungimsam]

My Bleriot seems to take front loads just fine.

But I am interested in a lighter tubing frame for my next bike.

So that means Roadeo or Low trail skinny tubed Boulder. Anyone want to trade 
their Roadeo for my Blue Hillborne?... didn't think so...ok.

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Re: [RBW] At least I'm consistant

[Lungimsam]

I like using an iphone. I am not a tecky type person.
Just have to remember to manually boost the brightness before heading put for a 
ride!!
I like my Amazing Slow Downer, Weather, Alarm clock, clock, Planning Center 
Online (for church music rehearsal), Maps, RidewithGPS, Camera, iHandy Level, 
and Viber (free text and chat) apps just to name a few. RBW has a mobile page 
that works good.

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Re: [RBW] FS- 64cm Wisconsin borne Samuel Hillborne frameset

[Kainalu]

Rare as Hen's teeth! And now shipping for free to mainland addresses!! 
It's a great bike, take it around the world. Act soonish and get free mustache 
bars with your choice of long or short pull brake levers (to get the most from 
these cantilever brake posts)
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[dstein]

I have a hunqapillar and recently built up an ocean air rambler. I'm still 
playing with the bar height/stem length/seat height/seat setback combo for 
the rambler and I haven't been on a long ride yet so hard to draw any 
definitive conclusions. For context, I don't do rando rides, but I do ride 
with a wald basket and sackville shopsack up front with anything from 2-15 
lbs in it. I never felt like the handling was off or needed to feel any 
different on the hunqapillar. I bought the rambler for other reasons. But 
that being said, I'm also undecided on how I like the handling of the 
rambler vs. the hunqapillar. It feels twitchier to me, with or without a 
load, the hunqapillar feels more stable, but maybe some of that is 
attributed to dialing in some other things I mentioned. But as others have 
said, once you're out riding for a bit you kinda don't really notice any 
more. I really question the low trail thing for front loads because I 
haven't met a Rivendell that can't handle the front load (and I've owned 
and ridden a SH, QB, and Cheviot).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I attribute the high $$$ largely to the trailer hitch that was the point of 
impact -- no spreading of the force of the impact broadly over both bumpers.

Daughter rides a lot at the beach but is spooked by traffic on the roads in 
Wilmington and almost never rides here. One of my many parental failures

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:

Way to seize the day! Glad your daughter and everyone else is fine. 5mph = 
thousands $$$? Gadzooks! Bring back steel fenders! No such thing as a fender 
bender anymore. Wow.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:


Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer hitch 
on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH speed at 
the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and requiring a week's 
worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked me if I wanted a 
rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and decided to decline.  
Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body shop; unloaded and 
jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's such a sweet-riding 
bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my car.

As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along the 
way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:

Rivendell Homer 
Hilsen






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Rivendell Homer Hilsen



Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the 
best!






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Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!



Homer resting on a towpath 
bridge






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Homer resting on a towpath bridge










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Re: [RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thanks!  The Hilsen has Barlow Pass EL tires mounted to Open Pro rims, 
measuring maybe a mm more than the 38mm nominal size.  I absolutely love them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Ryan Fleming 
> wrote:

Better the car than your daughterI am glad no one was hurt

With all the variety in your fleet the challenge will be picking a bike:)

What tires on your Homer...looks like Compass tires which I'm getting very 
attached to...

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 2:36:46 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
Great story!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Jon in central Colorado 
 wrote:

Happy no one was hurt...
I have a similar story...go back 49 years...
Just got my license was rolling to a stop sign with a car in front of me. 
Creeping closer, not paying attention I tapped the car in front of me. It broke 
the tail light lens on her car.
Just to show how prices have escalated the tail light lens cost $2.50.
The $2.50 was nothing.I could pay out of my allowance.The worst part was I 
had to deliver the money to her husband. You see...she was married to my 
Drivers Ed teacher.
Handing over that money to him was a whole semester of Drivers Ed wrapped up in 
10 minutesLesson learned I have had no accidents that have been my fault 
since that day.
My mom's car was still drivable but my parents forced me to ride my bike for a 
month.
Not trying to hijack your thread. Just a funny ( now) story.
I'm sure your daughter will remember her accident for ever too!
Jon


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:


Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer hitch 
on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH speed at 
the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and requiring a week's 
worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked me if I wanted a 
rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and decided to decline.  
Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body shop; unloaded and 
jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's such a sweet-riding 
bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my car.

As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along the 
way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:

Rivendell Homer 
Hilsen






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Rivendell Homer Hilsen



Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the 
best!






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!



Homer resting on a towpath 
bridge






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Homer resting on a towpath bridge










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Re: [RBW] Car-free week

[René Sterental]

Is she riding her bike as well? :-)

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Way to seize the day! Glad your daughter and everyone else is fine. 5mph =
> thousands $$$? Gadzooks! Bring back steel fenders! No such thing as a
> fender bender anymore. Wow.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer
>> hitch on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH
>> speed at the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and
>> requiring a week's worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked
>> me if I wanted a rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and
>> decided to decline.  Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body
>> shop; unloaded and jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's
>> such a sweet-riding bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my
>> car.
>>
>> As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along
>> the way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen
>>
>> 
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!
>> 
>>
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!
>>
>> 
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge
>> 
>>
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Eric Karnes]

Ha. I suppose 'very big disadvantage' was a bit extreme. I carted my 
commuter up and down a lot of stairs that day.

Eric


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:14:37 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I think "off road" is a little broad. Yes, at some point on some terrain 
> somewhere, any particular bike design will start to involve compromise. In 
> lots of directions, Rivendells take a lot longer to reach those compromises.
>
> Single track with lots of rocks and roots and logs would start to classify 
> as "technical" to me. Most Rivs are designed for, at a minimum, handling 
> basic dirt roads with aplomb, and  "trail" models like the Appaloosa can 
> get considerably rougher. But at some point, you may need to either 
> consider another machine, or do some "underbiking." (A term I use here for 
> ever so slight comic relief.) In other words, if a majority, or even a 
> significant minority, of one's riding landscape includes a bunch of 
> technical single track with many obstacles requiring constant wheelies, a 
> Rivendell might not be the machine. Or it might, but you need to a. walk 
> during the trickiest sections. b. figure a way to roll over them slowly, a 
> la a curb half-pop half-rollover style maneuver, or c. start a weight 
> training program to build upper body wheelie strength. Keeping in mind all 
> the while that Rivendells are also designed with more bb drop, which will 
> limit all that rock and log hoppin' probably as much as longer chainstays. 
> As a design parameter, safety and smooth ride, predicable handling in an 
> upright position would seem to be the goal more than gnarly single track 
> capabilities. Still, I took my Big Dummy on a few not-quite-hairy stretches 
> of single track without much problem. Definitely not a day to day thing, 
> though. I plan to climb Mt. Beacon with my Clementine this summer, will 
> report my findings!
>
> From the link I posted above:
>
> *Longer wheelbases make a bike more stable, smoother riding, less apt to 
>> get redirected by wind and bumps. Safer, I’d say. Easier to control at high 
>> speeds. So you can’t ride as small of a circle—who cares? You can still do 
>> a U-turn, you can still ride the bike anywhere you ought to be riding a 
>> bike. It’s just better when the chainstays are longer.*
>>
>
> I suppose you could add, "can't constantly pop over big logs and rocks as 
> easy--who cares?" But that would be presumptuous, obviously. 
>
> While I would I would not call it a "very big disadvantage," I would agree 
> with Eric that the longer wheelbase bikes can present a little bit more of 
> a challenge in apartment living, and when climbing and (especially with 
> mixte/Clementine designs) when descending stairs. I would also agree the 
> ride is worth it.
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:42:52 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Off road I feel they are a detriment especially when riding single track. 
>> Getting a manual or wheelie happening (a skill used to pop over logs, ext.) 
>> is not very easy with a long chain stay bike.
>>
>> But extra cargo capacity and probably stability are pros, I suppose. They 
>> will probably help with a touring bike. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So, Tom, you like GP's "ways", the only thing you hate is... riding the 
bicycles he designs and sells. I guess you could say you're on topic. At 
least this once! Makes me wonder.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:54:15 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote:
>
>
> I hate riding my other bikes and I need to sell them. I am a steel, 
> leather wool guy all the way and find most of GP's way to be good. But why 
> does he build these mid trail bikes? Makes me wonder.
> BTW my 63cm Long Low dark red custom Rivendell Joe Stark build and my 64cm 
> Atlantis are for sale. So get a low trail and you can go N-2 :)
>
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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Esteban]

Honjos. Totally worth it for the quality and to have something made in Japan. 
Skip several lunches out (bring a sandwich) and there's the difference. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

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CSI: The Fender Dent Files

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[ascpgh]

The crease was to the left of the center of the fender. 

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?
>

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[RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[Jan Heine]

You are right, there are many potential variables. We are lucky to have two 
riders who weight the same, have the same height and the same power output: 
Mark and me. So if we ride next to each other on identical bikes, we ride 
at exactly the same speed. If the bikes are different, and one is faster, 
then we switch bikes. If the same bike still is faster, then it's faster. 
If the other bike now is faster, then one of us is having a bad day.

This technique factors in wind, temperature, fatigue, etc., since it's the 
same for both bikes and riders. More on the Rando bike vs. Ti study is here:

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/laws-of-physics/

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:19:23 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Thanks Jan,
>
> Did you test the Rando vs. Ti bikes by powering the bikes with riders? I 
> know some of your studies have used small samples with human riders 
> powering the vehicles.
>
> Is it possible that a study involving a human rider powering the bike will 
> be reliable and valid in light of the fact that the state of the engine 
> changes moment by moment? I am by no means a scientist, so forgive my 
> ignorance. Sometimes when I read about the studies all these other ideas 
> pop up in my mind to explain away the findings and I don't know if they 
> matter. I don't know if the ideas would really have any type of meaningful 
> effect on the results.
>
> Also all the other extraneous factors like the fact that the bikes weren't 
> ridden exactly on the same line, subjected to different air movement 
> patterns, minor grade changes in the different lines, different 
> components/frames, etc.
>
> I think it is really difficult to test bike performance because there are 
> so many variables. And while one may be explained away as noise in the 
> data, all the elements, taken as a whole must have a profound effect on the 
> movement of the bikes.
>
> Is this true or is it not so difficult to get reliable data in bike tests?
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] At least I'm consistant

[Patrick Moore]

I'm always tempted to toss my iPhone, but it does serve a bicycling (and
thus On Topic) purpose: it's my ride computer for all my bikes. It also
replaces watch, tablet, alarm clock, maps, Daytimer, compass, thermometer,
shopping lists, and of course serves as the phone needed when you have a
child traveling between 2 households. Oh, and I have learned that I hate
texting, even though it seems that this is the default method of
communication used by anyone under 30. (Texting does keep me in somewhat
closer touch with my daughter, but I hate typing on a tiny virtual screen,
and dammit I'm not going to use those stupid abbreviations. Also, no way to
siri, effing mechanical robot voice!)

But honestly, I'll dump mine as soon as everyone else dumps his.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Reid  wrote:

> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily
> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died.
> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a
> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want.
> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>
> YES!
>
> Reid
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Sugino, Shimano, Tektro, etc.

[kielsun]

Another update here. A few things have been re-homed. I'm going to hang on 
to the dirt drop stem for now while I sort out my never-ending mountain 
bike build saga. Sorry to the interested parties for the runaround.

I'm still seeking trades for: Nitto Technomic stem (80-100 mm reach), 
V-brakes (black/grey preferably), Albatross bar, Ergon grips.

Rivstuffs:

   - Nitto Moustache Bar (pictured)--$25 *plus* actual shipping: CroMo. 
   This was on my Sam for years. Some scrapes visible at clamp area.
   - Shimano Tiagra Road Levers--$25 shipped: Fine used shape.
   
Non-Rivstuffs:

   - Tektro CR720 Canti Brakes--$40 shipped: These are *black*. Rear are 
   new, front installed and used briefly. Trade straight-up for new/near new 
   v-brakes?
   - Sugino RD2 Double Crankset 53/39--$50 shipped. Some wear. Arms are 
   mostly free of scratches.
   - Ritchey WCS threadless stem--?$?: I have no idea what this thing is 
   worth. Maybe you do? Make me an offer.

Thanks!

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Joe Bernard]

I love my big-screen smartypants phone. I'm a bit of a loner-type, and the 
access to a wider world via social media (like this one) has been a revelation 
for me. I like the conversations I can carry on on Twitter, plus the instant 
news updates that come with it. I'm a news/politics junkie, and anything 
breaking hits Twitter long before TV gets it. I hardly even use a PC/laptop 
anymore..my Galaxy Note 3 has a faster internet connection. Oh, the phone part? 
I still hate talking on the phone...

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[RBW] FS: 65 A. HOMER HILSEN; single top tube, Waterford built.

[ant ritchey]

grow the herd, thin the herd, repeat.

bought this and a 62 Hunq from a list member right around the same time a 
year and a half ago. i was working a ton & going through a break up. too 
much money to throw around, too little time spent riding & just too much 
overlap between the stablemates, as can often-times be the case.  ended up 
taking the trusty Atlantis out again & again, on trip after trip...and the 
Hilsen (along with the soon to be sold off Hunqapillar) just stayed put at 
home.  a shame, i know. so now i let go.

a link to my CL posting here in Portland, Oregon:

BIG HOMER  aka the 
grand slam

hit me up off list if you've got any questions.  i've got packing & 
shipping materials ready to go. buyer pays shipping.  never done the 
bikeflights thing before but i'm all for making it as affordable as 
possible to send the big beast off to a new home.

as is regularly the case- i learn a thing or two from the RBW owners group 
here. if anything seems off or incorrect, please drop me a line.  thank you.

-anthony ritchey / portland, oregon / PBH forgotten

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa on tour

[Lungimsam]

Nice ride report!! Great pics!! Thanks for sharing. 

Sounds like you hit just about all types of road riding terrain on the 
trip. Downhills, long climbs, flats, etc. I am guessing that some grades 
were in excess of 9%.  Could you tell us how you used the choco moose(?) 
bars? How many hand positions do you use on it, and in what circumstances?

I usually ride drops and wonder how it feels riding such difficult terrain 
in an upright position with upright bars. I am thinking of making my Sam an 
upright bike and interested to know how works out.

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Lungimsam]

The right brifter hit the left side of the fender though she veered left?

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[RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[Lungimsam]

Thanks Jan,

Did you test the Rando vs. Ti bikes by powering the bikes with riders? I 
know some of your studies have used small samples with human riders 
powering the vehicles.

Is it possible that a study involving a human rider powering the bike will 
be reliable and valid in light of the fact that the state of the engine 
changes moment by moment? I am by no means a scientist, so forgive my 
ignorance. Sometimes when I read about the studies all these other ideas 
pop up in my mind to explain away the findings and I don't know if they 
matter. I don't know if the ideas would really have any type of meaningful 
effect on the results.

Also all the other extraneous factors like the fact that the bikes weren't 
ridden exactly on the same line, subjected to different air movement 
patterns, minor grade changes in the different lines, different 
components/frames, etc.

I think it is really difficult to test bike performance because there are 
so many variables. And while one may be explained away as noise in the 
data, all the elements, taken as a whole must have a profound effect on the 
movement of the bikes.

Is this true or is it not so difficult to get reliable data in bike tests?



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Re: [RBW] FS- 64cm Wisconsin borne Samuel Hillborne frameset

[James Warren]

A green 64 with cantis! Those were rare, I think.

Usually saw those in orange.


> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Kainalu  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I've got a 65 Clem coming my way in July and was expecting to be riding this 
> Sam around until then, but then my appendix attacked, so I'm letting it go 
> (my tummy still hurts, doc says absolutely no rolling until July).
> Included in the sale is everything seen in the photos ("SHORT" chainstays!!) 
> minus the wheels & tires. The bottom bracket is brand new super duper Shimano 
> UN55 113mm, the headset is a headset like any other except it has some 
> indexing (it's original to the frame).
> Photos show plenty of nicks and scratches, but nothing that caused any damage 
> (no chainsuck, ever). Truth be told, this frame is arguably better than new! 
> It just got back from a trip to Waterford to get a popped seatstay repaired, 
> they actually are the source of the scratches on the chainstays, but they did 
> a beautiful job of making the bike structurally magnificent so all is 
> forgiven. 
> 
> here's photos-
> https://goo.gl/photos/XnXmgmEch5tkDNBQA
> 
> All this for $800 + bike flights shipping ($40 when I shipped it to Waterford 
> a couple months ago) 
> 
> Thanks a ton
> -Kai
> Brooklyn NY
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html

It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!

Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!

- michael


On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The 
> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
> to have one!
>
> Parts list:
> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
> Sugino x White Industries cranks
> VP Vice pedals
> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>
> m
>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I appreciate the heads up. I ordered one online. I have a bunch of Brooks 
saddles not currently on a bike but always wanted this one.  Just was hesitant 
to pay the usual $170 or so for one. I also have the b67 select not on a bike. 
Guess I have saddle accumulation issues

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[Ron Mc]

they last too long

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Garth]

  Thank you Rene as this is very valuable !   I'm still trying to wrap my 
head around what these bikes handle like compared to the Bombadil I have. I 
also have another sport/touring type frame with less trail which handles 
like every racing bike frame I used to ride, which means the front end 
responds to every little upper body movement.  The Bombadil in comparison 
is resistant in that way, better responding to hip movement.  The sport 
touring bike while standing feels completely different than the Bombadil 
too, almost as if on the Bombadil I'm pushing a wheelbarrow . 

  So with even lower trail than the kind of racing bike likely with mid 
50's trail, would it be even moreso responsive to every upper body movement 
or something altogether different ? 



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:07:59 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi Garth,
>
> After my extensive research and e-mail exchanges with Jan, plus my 
> experience with my Atlantis & Hunqapillar, for upright riding, the low 
> trail target should be 40mm. The Rando bikes depicted usually have around 
> 29mm of trail, meant for more forward positioning/fast riding with lower 
> handlebars.
>
> The Atlantis/Hunqapillar have 40mm of trail and ride very well loaded and 
> unloaded; riding them loaded is amazingly nice.
>
> For my custom, I requested 35mm of trail to have a bit more of the "pure 
> low trail" characteristics and also because i'm now riding with my bars 
> almost level with my saddle.
>
> Still, if in doubt, 40mm seems to be the magical most versatile low trail 
> number to go for. And all caveats about getting used to what you ride apply.
>
> Also, the difference in handling between 30 and 40mm of trail is much less 
> than the difference between 40 and 55, according to Jan's articles.
>
> René 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Ryan Fleming]

Couldn't agree with you guys more

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Ditto and ditto.  If I want to do computing, I'll do it at home, with a 
> big monitor and a really nice clicking keyboard, rather than a screen the 
> size of a pocket cigar case and a touchscreen with virtual keys that are 
> too small and give no tactile feedback at all.  For me, the ergonomics of 
> most recent electronic gadgets are simply terrible and I hate using them, 
> especially out in the sun, when I can't see the screen at all.   I'll put 
> up with a cell phone in order to be able to call 911 or contact someone on 
> a ride who's gotten lost or broken down, but otherwise forget about it.
>
> On 06/15/2016 04:54 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> Well, I'm a retired IT person and I don't consider myself a Luddite, but 
> there comes a limit to how much I want to get caught up in the perpetual 
> churn of electronic gadgets.  I usually only carry the phone when I think I 
> might need it for ad hoc or emergency communications anyway. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 3:39:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>
>> I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry to get 
>> a smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote: 
>>>
>>> Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago 
>>> - back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
>>> users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
>>> you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
>>> there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
>>> hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
>>> flip it open.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote: 

 The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
 agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
 RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
 couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
 No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."

 YES!

 Reid

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Ryan Fleming]

OT on the trail...but I love that playing card suit crankset that green 
bike is rocking

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Reed,
>
> I've got both.  A stouty Riv custom and a flexy low trial.  Both I love.  
> They certainly feel different but 10 minutes on either and any difference 
> fads away.  Do appreciate low trial with a front load though.  The Riv is 
> nice with a saddle bag but if the load is heavy it's kind of a drag when 
> I'm out of the saddle climbing.
>
> James Chang
> Taipei, Taiwan
> [image: image1.JPG][image: image2.JPG]
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I converted two Rivendell bikes to low trail forks and liked them 
>> better that way, one I sold (Hunqapillar) and the other one I'm keeping 
>> (Atlantis). I preferred their handling vs. the original handling because I 
>> wanted front loads, and in the case of the Atlantis, because it shimmied 
>> for me with a rear load. Now it doesn't.
>>
>> I love the handling of the Homer and the Betty in their original 
>> geometries, but don't front load them other than a super light load 
>> (wallet, phone, glasses). My upcoming custom is low trail 650b, but not a 
>> Randonneur geometry.
>>
>> While you can probably get used to anything, it's when you've compared 
>> and liked something more, where the decision to invest to go that way or 
>> stay the way you are comes into play.
>>
>> You can search the forum for my past lengthy posts if you're interested. 
>>
>> René 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, jeffrey kane  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reed -- there has been a near endless run of low vs not-low discussions 
>>> here and on the iBob and the 650b list. I feel like I've read them all and 
>>> agonized over the damn concept myself for years. But I've never seen a more 
>>> sensible and succinct assessment of the whole thing than these quickly 
>>> punched out 9 posts above. Bill L nailed it one way, Evan B pretty much 
>>> said what GP himself has been saying forever, which, is you can probably 
>>> get used to anything given some time and Steve P knows his stuff and has 
>>> real experience with some pretty darn nice bikes.
>>>
>>> Me, I've got only this to add: having bounced through 5 similar yet 
>>> different 650b rides in the last six years (2 typical trail Rivs, a V/O low 
>>> trail and now 2 Jeff Lyon even lower trail bikes) I'd say that there can be 
>>> some unpredictable bike-to-bike variations in performance that don't just 
>>> fall in line with the "spread sheet" of expectations. Why? I have no idea 
>>> but I have a Saluki that does not play well front loaded and Bleriot that 
>>> does (yet, supposedly they are super close in geo). The V/O worked nicely 
>>> but didn't incite much passion, The 2 Lyon's: one with drops and the other 
>>> with uprights exhibit somewhat different tendencies, which, I suppose, 
>>> speaks to the bar choice and riding position. 
>>>
>>> I ended up on flexy front loading low-trail rides though ... and I don't 
>>> see myself going back. Maybe I'll go in another direction altogether but 
>>> for now, I couldn't be happier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:24:31 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:

 I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of 
 their bikes and numerous others built up in Riv-inspired ways. Recently 
 I've been reading through back issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts 
 on Jan Heine's blog. It's got me wondering about this whole 
 alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which seems to be 
 characterized by low trail steering geometry, flexible frames, and 
 carrying 
 loads up front.

 I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common. 

 Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid 
 frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of 
 bike? What did you think of each?


 Reed

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

On today's ride I raised my stem a cm (which also brings the bars back 
slightly. I think that may be the jam, the best of all possible worlds. 
Lots of climbing with single track, and it felt great.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:26:30 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, 
> after riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my 
> seat back half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, 
> position more dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I 
> went shorter with the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly 
> shifting to a 7cm Tallux would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:
>
> — Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: New Hunq 650b

[Bill Lindsay]

What will the sizes be?  On the instagram it claims to be a 53, and 
somebody asked about "the 59" like it's a think and Deacon says there is a 
60.  What are the nominal sizes?  I was kind of tempted by the Hunqapillar 
at times, and thought the 54 was a little small, and the 58 was a little 
big.  What's the next size up from 53?  What's the full size run?

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:48:50 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I talked with Riv yesterday, and they said that the new 60 Hunqapillar 
> would have about 3cm longer chainstays than my original geometry 62 
> Hunqapillar. Sounds like it is mostly for increased tire clearance and 
> won't be Appaloosa long.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 6:42:06 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from 
>> their instagram)
>>
>> Link! 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[René Sterental]

Hi Garth,

After my extensive research and e-mail exchanges with Jan, plus my
experience with my Atlantis & Hunqapillar, for upright riding, the low
trail target should be 40mm. The Rando bikes depicted usually have around
29mm of trail, meant for more forward positioning/fast riding with lower
handlebars.

The Atlantis/Hunqapillar have 40mm of trail and ride very well loaded and
unloaded; riding them loaded is amazingly nice.

For my custom, I requested 35mm of trail to have a bit more of the "pure
low trail" characteristics and also because i'm now riding with my bars
almost level with my saddle.

Still, if in doubt, 40mm seems to be the magical most versatile low trail
number to go for. And all caveats about getting used to what you ride apply.

Also, the difference in handling between 30 and 40mm of trail is much less
than the difference between 40 and 55, according to Jan's articles.

René

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
>   While I see lots about low trail bikes with drop bars , I have not
> heard/seen much about riding on low trail bikes with long sloping top
> tubes(6+ degrees) and high bars(at least above the saddle height).
> Basically a much higher center of gravity than a drop bar bike.  A recent
> blug post GP mentioned something about this not being so desirable but did
> not elaborate.
>
>So basically I'm wondering how a Bombadil or Hunq would be with Alba
> type bars at least couple inches above the saddle would be ?
>
> I've considered another Bombadil or even a Hunq type frame but I need more
> front foot-tire/fender clearance than either stock bike offers in 60+cm.
> frames.  I could do this by either going to a low trail design and/or 650b
> wheels but I have no idea how it would ride.
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Re: [RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Steve Palincsar]

Ditto and ditto.  If I want to do computing, I'll do it at home, with a 
big monitor and a really nice clicking keyboard, rather than a screen 
the size of a pocket cigar case and a touchscreen with virtual keys that 
are too small and give no tactile feedback at all.  For me, the 
ergonomics of most recent electronic gadgets are simply terrible and I 
hate using them, especially out in the sun, when I can't see the screen 
at all.   I'll put up with a cell phone in order to be able to call 911 
or contact someone on a ride who's gotten lost or broken down, but 
otherwise forget about it.


On 06/15/2016 04:54 PM, George Schick wrote:
Well, I'm a retired IT person and I don't consider myself a Luddite, 
but there comes a limit to how much I want to get caught up in the 
perpetual churn of electronic gadgets.  I usually only carry the phone 
when I think I might need it for ad hoc or emergency communications 
anyway.



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 3:39:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry
to get a smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick
wrote:

Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few
years ago - back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant
number of cell phone users became frustrated with the Android
and Apple type phones that require you to fumble around and
swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right there with you,
only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I hope
it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer
it is flip it open.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:

The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A
term I happily agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a
simple flip open model, just died. RIP. I went to the
Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a
couple of current models that are flip style and simple.
Just what I want. No bells and whistles. One model is
called "the Retro."

YES!

Reid

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks

[Tim Gavin]

Although Bill makes sensible suggestions (belt and suspenders), I don't
predict the second calamity happening with a Nitto M12.

The lower mounts of the M12 end in thick horizontal plates that slide over
your brake post (not likely to pivot) and the upper mount of the M12 is a
solid steel bolt that goes into the brake hole on your fork (not very
fragile).

I really like the M12, and I feel that it should be more sturdy and
load-capable than the other Nitto mini front racks, since it has no
moveable parts.  However, I've never loaded my M12 very heavily nor mounted
a basket.  So far, mine has only held a Small Trunksack with a load of
tools and sundries.  And I have heard of M12 failures on other forums, but
I've never seen one to determine how/where the rack broke.


Back to the thread topic (baskets on mini racks), I had a Mark's rack /
small Wald basket combo on my Rivendell Road/650b (along with moustache
bars), and I definitely overloaded it a couple times.  I carried several
beers (12 glass bottles, 16 pint cans) and also overloaded it with camping
stuff.  The basket never bent and the Mark's rack was secure.  But, I
didn't like how the bike handled with a loaded basket (wheel flop).

Also, I didn't like the moustache bars for long touring days (can't get
low/forward out of the wind).  I actually traded the moustache bars, dirt
drop stem, and brake levers toward a rando bag from David Banzer (Treetop
designs).

Now, I have that Treetop rando bag on my Mark's rack (with long stays to
the dropout eyelets), and the handling is a bit better.  There is still
noticeable wheel flop, but I think this setup is more secure.  Running the
stays to the dropouts removed any side sway from the p-clamps, and the
rando bag is attached in three places (VO decaleur, tombstone strap, and
bottom strap).
Plus, the rando bag is very easy to use.  Now I know why that design is so
favored by brevet riders.

Eventually, I'd like to try the rando bag on a low trail fork, but I
haven't yet.

Cheers,
Tim

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> There are at least two reasons to add a strap.  One is for load support.
> I think Grant and Keven have both been fans of this.  If you imagine an
> arbitrarily heavy load in a basket you imagine the basket and rack bending
> down and away from the handlebars.  Run an Irish strap from the front edge
> of the basket to the bars and pull it tight.  However tight you pulled it,
> that's the quantity of force you are unloading from the rack.  It couldn't
> hurt.
>
> The second reason is catastrophe prevention.  Riv has seen a few different
> events where the rack has worked loose, pivoted forward into the tire, and
> caused the front wheel to lock up, throwing the rider down-on-ground,
> headfirst and fast.  So, run an Irish strap to the rack that will limit
> it's ability to pivot forward if it becomes detached up top.  For me,
> that's through the tombstone.  It couldn't hurt.
>
> In all cases try not to do dumb stuff.
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:56:18 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> With the M12, I'd stick to the smaller basket, and even with that use
>> straps to handlebar for full loads.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, thanks for the input, pretty much what i figured (mostly
>>> intuition, common sense).  i do have a platrack in the mix--and i never
>>> thought of using the top without the struts, may try that.  i should have
>>> stated that my main question is around the canti-stud mount M12 (which is
>>> not platrack compatible, otherwise i'd just do that).  anyone want to
>>> change their answer with this in mind?
>>>
>>> as far as the weight 'limits' i would be really surprised if people
>>> stuck to these as they are quite low (4.4lbs for the mark's/mini front?),
>>> i'm sure that i exceed this everytime i take it out.   on my platrack
>>> equiped rack i've done a car battery, a watermelon, but most times it's
>>> just too much groceries.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:26:54 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:

 And make sure you know the weight limit of your rack.
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[RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[George Schick]

Well, I'm a retired IT person and I don't consider myself a Luddite, but 
there comes a limit to how much I want to get caught up in the perpetual 
churn of electronic gadgets.  I usually only carry the phone when I think I 
might need it for ad hoc or emergency communications anyway.


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 3:39:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry to get a 
> smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago - 
>> back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
>> users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
>> you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
>> there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
>> hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
>> flip it open.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>>
>>> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
>>> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
>>> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
>>> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
>>> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>>>
>>> YES!
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Deacon Patrick]

Way to seize the day! Glad your daughter and everyone else is fine. 5mph = 
thousands $$$? Gadzooks! Bring back steel fenders! No such thing as a 
fender bender anymore. Wow.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer 
> hitch on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH 
> speed at the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and 
> requiring a week's worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked 
> me if I wanted a rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and 
> decided to decline.  Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body 
> shop; unloaded and jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's 
> such a sweet-riding bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my 
> car.
>
> As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along 
> the way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:
>
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
> 
>
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>
> 
> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
> 
>
> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>
> 
> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
> 
>
> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Hunq 650b

[Deacon Patrick]

I talked with Riv yesterday, and they said that the new 60 Hunqapillar 
would have about 3cm longer chainstays than my original geometry 62 
Hunqapillar. Sounds like it is mostly for increased tire clearance and 
won't be Appaloosa long.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 6:42:06 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
> Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from 
> their instagram)
>
> Link! 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Ride to the Lazy Spot

[Deacon Patrick]

Big construction in town with lots of rumbly loud trucks. Fortunately I was 
doing well enough to try a ride and see how it went. Ended up riding an hour 
more of single track than I have so far this year, with the ride totaling 5 
hours.

Not much to tell, better to show. An amazing ride without a cloud in the sky. 
60-70˚F. And not much wind.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27660376566/in/album-72157669334583115/
(start there and scroll right for all of today’s pics)

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa on tour

[RichS]

Valerie,

Thank you for sharing your experiences with the small panniers. I'm so tempted! 
Thinking they would pair well with my medium SV Saddlesack. Happy trails on 
your Joe App!

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Ryan Fleming]

I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry to get a 
smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago - 
> back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
> users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
> you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
> there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
> hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
> flip it open.
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>
>> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
>> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
>> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
>> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
>> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>>
>> YES!
>>
>> Reid
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Ryan Fleming]

Better the car than your daughterI am glad no one was hurt

With all the variety in your fleet the challenge will be picking a bike:)

What tires on your Homer...looks like Compass tires which I'm getting very 
attached to...

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 2:36:46 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Great story!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Jon in central Colorado  > wrote:
>
> Happy no one was hurt...
> I have a similar story...go back 49 years...
> Just got my license was rolling to a stop sign with a car in front of me. 
> Creeping closer, not paying attention I tapped the car in front of me. It 
> broke the tail light lens on her car.
> Just to show how prices have escalated the tail light lens cost $2.50.
> The $2.50 was nothing.I could pay out of my allowance.The worst part 
> was I had to deliver the money to her husband. You see...she was married to 
> my Drivers Ed teacher.
> Handing over that money to him was a whole semester of Drivers Ed wrapped 
> up in 10 minutesLesson learned I have had no accidents that have been 
> my fault since that day.
> My mom's car was still drivable but my parents forced me to ride my bike 
> for a month.
> Not trying to hijack your thread. Just a funny ( now) story.
> I'm sure your daughter will remember her accident for ever too!
> Jon
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer 
>> hitch on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH 
>> speed at the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and 
>> requiring a week's worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked 
>> me if I wanted a rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and 
>> decided to decline.  Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body 
>> shop; unloaded and jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's 
>> such a sweet-riding bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my 
>> car.
>>
>> As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along 
>> the way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>>
>> 
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>> 
>>
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>>
>> 
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>> 
>>
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks

[Bill Lindsay]

There are at least two reasons to add a strap.  One is for load support.  I 
think Grant and Keven have both been fans of this.  If you imagine an 
arbitrarily heavy load in a basket you imagine the basket and rack bending 
down and away from the handlebars.  Run an Irish strap from the front edge 
of the basket to the bars and pull it tight.  However tight you pulled it, 
that's the quantity of force you are unloading from the rack.  It couldn't 
hurt.  

The second reason is catastrophe prevention.  Riv has seen a few different 
events where the rack has worked loose, pivoted forward into the tire, and 
caused the front wheel to lock up, throwing the rider down-on-ground, 
headfirst and fast.  So, run an Irish strap to the rack that will limit 
it's ability to pivot forward if it becomes detached up top.  For me, 
that's through the tombstone.  It couldn't hurt.  

In all cases try not to do dumb stuff.  

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:56:18 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> With the M12, I'd stick to the smaller basket, and even with that use 
> straps to handlebar for full loads. 
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, thanks for the input, pretty much what i figured (mostly 
>> intuition, common sense).  i do have a platrack in the mix--and i never 
>> thought of using the top without the struts, may try that.  i should have 
>> stated that my main question is around the canti-stud mount M12 (which is 
>> not platrack compatible, otherwise i'd just do that).  anyone want to 
>> change their answer with this in mind?
>>
>> as far as the weight 'limits' i would be really surprised if people stuck 
>> to these as they are quite low (4.4lbs for the mark's/mini front?), i'm 
>> sure that i exceed this everytime i take it out.   on my platrack equiped 
>> rack i've done a car battery, a watermelon, but most times it's just too 
>> much groceries.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:26:54 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> And make sure you know the weight limit of your rack. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Paul G]

Boy, if her brifter was able to hit your rear fender, she must have had her 
bars slammed lower than low!


On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right 
> brifter lever glancing the fender left of center, leaving a 3" crease in 
> the aluminum. Something in her lever let go from that and no longer worked 
> as new.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks

[David Banzer]

With the M12, I'd stick to the smaller basket, and even with that use 
straps to handlebar for full loads. 
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>
> Hi all, thanks for the input, pretty much what i figured (mostly 
> intuition, common sense).  i do have a platrack in the mix--and i never 
> thought of using the top without the struts, may try that.  i should have 
> stated that my main question is around the canti-stud mount M12 (which is 
> not platrack compatible, otherwise i'd just do that).  anyone want to 
> change their answer with this in mind?
>
> as far as the weight 'limits' i would be really surprised if people stuck 
> to these as they are quite low (4.4lbs for the mark's/mini front?), i'm 
> sure that i exceed this everytime i take it out.   on my platrack equiped 
> rack i've done a car battery, a watermelon, but most times it's just too 
> much groceries.
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:26:54 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> And make sure you know the weight limit of your rack. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Dang!  Guess I have to run out and buy the B17. I

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Great story!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Jon in central Colorado 
> wrote:

Happy no one was hurt...
I have a similar story...go back 49 years...
Just got my license was rolling to a stop sign with a car in front of me. 
Creeping closer, not paying attention I tapped the car in front of me. It broke 
the tail light lens on her car.
Just to show how prices have escalated the tail light lens cost $2.50.
The $2.50 was nothing.I could pay out of my allowance.The worst part was I 
had to deliver the money to her husband. You see...she was married to my 
Drivers Ed teacher.
Handing over that money to him was a whole semester of Drivers Ed wrapped up in 
10 minutesLesson learned I have had no accidents that have been my fault 
since that day.
My mom's car was still drivable but my parents forced me to ride my bike for a 
month.
Not trying to hijack your thread. Just a funny ( now) story.
I'm sure your daughter will remember her accident for ever too!
Jon


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:


Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer hitch 
on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH speed at 
the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and requiring a week's 
worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked me if I wanted a 
rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and decided to decline.  
Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body shop; unloaded and 
jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's such a sweet-riding 
bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my car.

As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along the 
way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:

Rivendell Homer 
Hilsen






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Rivendell Homer Hilsen



Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the 
best!






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!



Homer resting on a towpath 
bridge






[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/c2oDbmD3IzcIf9sfDvYrDW7bn1ywj1F_GG5mj8zURGAMpY50XTPGHaLgAG9XT5mh9LrAt6HohKV4pW5vRe1Ub5JUjriH-8vgtNG7HlVOH2F_BmY=w5000-h5000]
Homer resting on a towpath bridge










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[RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Jon in central Colorado]

Happy no one was hurt...
I have a similar story...go back 49 years...
Just got my license was rolling to a stop sign with a car in front of me. 
Creeping closer, not paying attention I tapped the car in front of me. It 
broke the tail light lens on her car.
Just to show how prices have escalated the tail light lens cost $2.50.
The $2.50 was nothing.I could pay out of my allowance.The worst part 
was I had to deliver the money to her husband. You see...she was married to 
my Drivers Ed teacher.
Handing over that money to him was a whole semester of Drivers Ed wrapped 
up in 10 minutesLesson learned I have had no accidents that have been 
my fault since that day.
My mom's car was still drivable but my parents forced me to ride my bike 
for a month.
Not trying to hijack your thread. Just a funny ( now) story.
I'm sure your daughter will remember her accident for ever too!
Jon


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:

>
>
> Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer 
> hitch on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH 
> speed at the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and 
> requiring a week's worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked 
> me if I wanted a rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and 
> decided to decline.  Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body 
> shop; unloaded and jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's 
> such a sweet-riding bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my 
> car.
>
> As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along 
> the way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:
>
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
> 
>
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>
> 
> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
> 
>
> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>
> 
> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
> 
>
> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Funny, I wasn't overwhelmed with the C17 on my Sam Hillborne, but love it 
on the Brompton.


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:35:40 AM UTC+3, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's a promising report, Chris. I agree it takes a couple weeks to get 
> "worked in" to a new saddle so I'll give it some time. If it doesn't work 
> out I'll send it on and buy another B17, I'm more curious than anything. 
> I'll take the lighter weight and easier care if I can get it, but B17s are 
> pretty great saddles.Funny

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[RBW] Re: Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks

[Minh]

Hi all, thanks for the input, pretty much what i figured (mostly intuition, 
common sense).  i do have a platrack in the mix--and i never thought of 
using the top without the struts, may try that.  i should have stated that 
my main question is around the canti-stud mount M12 (which is not platrack 
compatible, otherwise i'd just do that).  anyone want to change their 
answer with this in mind?

as far as the weight 'limits' i would be really surprised if people stuck 
to these as they are quite low (4.4lbs for the mark's/mini front?), i'm 
sure that i exceed this everytime i take it out.   on my platrack equiped 
rack i've done a car battery, a watermelon, but most times it's just too 
much groceries.

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>
> And make sure you know the weight limit of your rack. 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

No! Say it isn't so. These are the best of the Brooks line. I just got 
another one a couple of weeks ago. A little sweat and it's already turning 
a nice honey brown.

Sean
ATX

>
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[RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[George Schick]

Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago - 
back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
flip it open.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>
> YES!
>
> Reid
>
>

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[RBW] Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[Joe Bernard]

Really? Wow, I guess buyers didn't get the memo that the natural color darkens 
almost immediately. Bummer. 

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[RBW] At least I'm consistant

[Reid]

The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."

YES!

Reid

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[RBW] Brooks B-17 Select & Champion Flyer Select Discontinued???

[John]

Rivendell says Brooks has discontinued these two models.

I still see these on the Brooks web site, but the B-067 Select is gone.

John

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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Thanks for all the replies. I tried out some noodles at the LBS and
realized that they sweep backward slightly, which is probably what I liked
about the rando bars. Another list member is selling me a used noodle and
ill give it a whirl.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Paul G  wrote:

> This is true. From the stem clamp to the beginning of the curve to the
> ramps, the Noodle bars actually slope downward slightly (like a Moustach
> bar, but not nearly as much) which results in the ramps being slightly
> lower for any given stem height. The amount is slight, but noticeable and I
> like how if feels when riding on the tops. It makes for a nice wrist angle
> there.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:11:17 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Rather than upsweep, Noodles drop on the outside giving them a very
>> natural position for brake interruptor levers (cross brakes)
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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Paul G]

This is true. From the stem clamp to the beginning of the curve to the 
ramps, the Noodle bars actually slope downward slightly (like a Moustach 
bar, but not nearly as much) which results in the ramps being slightly 
lower for any given stem height. The amount is slight, but noticeable and I 
like how if feels when riding on the tops. It makes for a nice wrist angle 
there.


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>
> Rather than upsweep, Noodles drop on the outside giving them a very 
> natural position for brake interruptor levers (cross brakes)
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[RBW] Car-free week

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer hitch 
on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH speed at 
the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and requiring a week's 
worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked me if I wanted a 
rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and decided to decline.  
Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body shop; unloaded and 
jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's such a sweet-riding 
bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my car.

As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along the 
way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:

Rivendell Homer 
Hilsen






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
Rivendell Homer Hilsen



Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the 
best!






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best!



Homer resting on a towpath 
bridge






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
Homer resting on a towpath bridge










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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[tdusky]

I started doing randonneuring a few yew years ago. And had a bike built by 
John Fitzgerald for that purpose.
Low trail, lights and fenders wide tires etc… My current bikes are a 2001 
Rivendell custom Long Low, an Atlantis, and a "72 Paramount P13.
The low trail geometry is amazing with or without a front load, it rides so 
stable and feels totally correct. See my frame and 
bike http://www.fitzcyclez.com/frames.html (that's me with my"Juice")
I hate riding my other bikes and I need to sell them. I am a steel, leather 
wool guy all the way and find most of GP's way to be good. But why does he 
build these mid trail bikes? Makes me wonder.
BTW my 63cm Long Low dark red custom Rivendell Joe Stark build and my 64cm 
Atlantis are for sale. So get a low trail and you can go N-2 :)
Tom Dusky
Detroit Randonneurs

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:24:31 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of 
> their bikes and numerous others built up in Riv-inspired ways. Recently 
> I've been reading through back issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts 
> on Jan Heine's blog. It's got me wondering about this whole 
> alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which seems to be 
> characterized by low trail steering geometry, flexible frames, and carrying 
> loads up front.
>
> I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common. 
>
> Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid frame, 
> carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of bike? What 
> did you think of each?
>
>
> Reed
>

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Evan Baird]

Do you know the axle to crown length for the Atlantis forks? I want to try to 
get a batch of 50 or so 26er conversions made, but I wasnt sure if those were 
shorter/longer than the OX1s. I realize that it's probably not a sustainable 
product, but there seems to be more Atlanti owners who have/want to experiment 
with this. Otherwise I was just going to get 1 1/8 for the LHT/Saga

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[RBW] FS 2 new Surly Rabbit Hole 29" X 50mm black rims

[Bruce Smitham]

Not quite a Riv item but just in case anybody is looking for these. For 
sale are 2 new in box Surly Rabbit Hole 29" X 50mm black rims. $125 plus 
shipping CONUS. I'm open to trades for Easton ARC 40, WTB 40mm or Velocity 
Dually 40mm.

Thanks,

Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Jim M.]

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:43:50 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>
> As a Simpleone owner who has had both a 62 and 60 I will say that you 
> should seriously consider tire size before picking one if you are between 
> sizes. 
>

I agree. I have an 88.5 PBH and rode a 60 QB comfortably, but there was a 
noticeable difference in top tube clearance between 33's and 40's.

jim m
wc ca 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[David Spranger]

89.5 PBH and I own a 62 cm SimpleOne. I love this bike and the fit is 
PERFECT for me, but it is still in it's mangled state from a crash last 
year. One day I hope to either repair or replace it.

David

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:01:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm on the lookout for a used Quickbeam or SimpleOne to replace my old 
> Trek as a city commuter. But I have a question about sizing. My Roadeo has 
> a pretty similar bottom bracket height and the 61cm frame fits my 90pbh 
> really well. So the question is, do I go with a 60 or 62 'SimpleBeam?' 
>
> Any thoughts? What are current owners' experiences? Thanks!
>
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[masmojo]

Steve, it's easy to see the added strength needed if you look around at many 
disk brake frames they frequently have either very substantial rear drop outs 
or a small tube or loop on the brake side that goes from the chain stay to the 
seat stay.
As for the spelling I try to stay on top of it, but I only access this group 
through my phone 90% of the time and it spell checks words for me, sometimes I 
don't notice it's inserted the wrong word until I hit the post button! Then 
it's too late to change 

I agree with Richards comment about off road though,  but interject that the 
problem with popping over obstacles is not confined strictly to off road. I 
only really ever hit light dirt trails around town here,  but I can't count the 
number of times I have had a hard contact with the front wheel trying to pop 
over a curb. Until the Clementine I have never had to worry about getting snake 
bite flats on the front wheel! AND having a basket on the front does not help 
at all!
Speaking of Clementines,  that black frame on the Riv site looks absolutely 
sinister! If anyone wanted a step through and wanted it to look masculine, the 
black certainly does that!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 121mm bb spindle

[Mike K.]

>
> Thanks! I have it adjusted all the way out away from the frame right now 
> to clear the chain when it's on the inner ring, so I can definitely bring 
> it back toward the frame.


- Mike 

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[RBW] Re: Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks

[Lungimsam]

And make sure you know the weight limit of your rack. 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Ron Mc]

Borrowed a quote from Jim Merz - Just like an arrow, the weight goes up 
front.  

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[RBW] Re: New Hunq 650b

[Philip Kim]

For reference, here is a 54cm.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:05:15 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Chainstays don't look any longer, which I thought was also coming on the 
> Hunqs.  I hope RBW didn't size me out of the 650B Hunqs because I would 
> prefer that over the 700c version.  53cm is definately too small and the 
> old Hunq had pretty big jumps between sizes.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 7:42:06 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from 
>> their instagram)
>>
>> Link! 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Hunq 650b

[Bob B]

I ordered a 58 Hunq in April after I caught wind of the impending 650b 
switch... I asked them on the phone and they (iirc it was Mark) said the 58 
would stay 700c.



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:05:15 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Chainstays don't look any longer, which I thought was also coming on the 
> Hunqs.  I hope RBW didn't size me out of the 650B Hunqs because I would 
> prefer that over the 700c version.  53cm is definately too small and the 
> old Hunq had pretty big jumps between sizes.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 7:42:06 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from 
>> their instagram)
>>
>> Link! 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Hunq 650b

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chainstays don't look any longer, which I thought was also coming on the 
Hunqs.  I hope RBW didn't size me out of the 650B Hunqs because I would 
prefer that over the 700c version.  53cm is definately too small and the 
old Hunq had pretty big jumps between sizes.  



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 7:42:06 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
> Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from 
> their instagram)
>
> Link! 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] New Hunq 650b

[Philip Kim]

Looks like Riv got in at least one 650b Hunqapillar (screen shot from their 
instagram)

Link! 



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Howard Hatten]

Scott, if Ryan doesn't take the bike I would be interested. I'm in Livonia but 
out of town till Monday. 

Howard

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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Ron Mc]

Rather than upsweep, Noodles drop on the outside


giving them a very natural position for brake interruptor levers (cross 
brakes)

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bars, stem adaptor, and saddle

[Steve Braun]

It is. :)
Please send money to me via Paypal:  sjbrau...@gmail.com
I'll send you shipping info when it's available.
-Steve

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I would take that Arione saddle if it's still available
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Garth]

  While I see lots about low trail bikes with drop bars , I have not 
heard/seen much about riding on low trail bikes with long sloping top 
tubes(6+ degrees) and high bars(at least above the saddle height).  
Basically a much higher center of gravity than a drop bar bike.  A recent 
blug post GP mentioned something about this not being so desirable but did 
not elaborate.  

   So basically I'm wondering how a Bombadil or Hunq would be with Alba 
type bars at least couple inches above the saddle would be ?  

I've considered another Bombadil or even a Hunq type frame but I need more 
front foot-tire/fender clearance than either stock bike offers in 60+cm. 
frames.  I could do this by either going to a low trail design and/or 650b 
wheels but I have no idea how it would ride. 

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[RBW] FS: Bars, stem adaptor, and saddle

[Bill Lindsay]

I would take that Arione saddle if it's still available 

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