[RBW] Ordered an Islabike Cnoc 20

[Santosh Iyer]

...For my lil' princess. She is 5, quite tall for her age and still learning. 
The new release Cnoc 20 was my best bet, considering I did not want a geared 
setup, wanted something light and ability to mount training wheels if needed.

Any feedback, dos and don'ts for the Cnoc? Were there other options available?

Considering the size and her growth curve, should be available for 'resale' 
within a year! Dibs invited ;)

Santosh Iyer

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Austin B]

Terrific and congrats! Once you ride it a bit you'll see...

And post pictures or as they say "It didn't happen."

Cheers,
Austin


On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 10:13:27 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone! I placed my order for my new Sam with the amazingly 
> awesome 2TT's this morning. I'll be sure to report back after I have had 
> some time with the bike and can comment on my experiences. 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 7:08:55 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, 
>>
>> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. 
>> My story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
>> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
>> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
>> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
>> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
>> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
>> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
>> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
>> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
>> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
>> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
>> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
>> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
>> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
>> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks everyone! I placed my order for my new Sam with the amazingly 
awesome 2TT's this morning. I'll be sure to report back after I have had 
some time with the bike and can comment on my experiences. 

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 7:08:55 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Mountain Works Jensen Pack

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

For sale is a Rivendell Mountain Works Jensen Pack size Long in forest green.
Pack is brand new. EVR version with removable rain liner.
This company is what inspired Grant to name Rivendell Rivendell.
He also considers this one of the finest packs ever made.
50 liter capacity.
I am selling it because it is too long for me and I need a size smaller.

Here more details: 
http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/shop/the-jensen-pack-vintage-heritage-frameless-backpack/

Here the sizing info: 
http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/heritage-backpacks-made-in-usa/jensen-packs/sizing/

$325 shipped to CONUS

Clayton Scott
SF CA

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[James Warren]

Additionally, my prior reply was very much connected to my own Hunq's 
dirt-versatility. Knowing that you are talking about a 2TT Hillborne for 
yourself and not a Hunq, I should point out the following: that 62 cm Hillborne 
is VERY versatile. I have a 2TT one of those as well, and with 50 mm Big Ben 
tires squeezed into it, it does most of the any-surface riding that the Hunq 
does. And of course, it's second 2TT has always been a thing of beauty. (I got 
it 2 years after the Hunq had already indoctrinated me.) if you're looking at 
that 62 cm blue Hillborne that Riv sells, I think that is one of Riv's best 
looking bikes - understated, classic, beautiful. I love that color and the 
extra tube.

- Jim W.


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> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same story 
> as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on expensive 
> bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I have decided 
> that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so the word 
> "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my bike for 
> the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 hours on the 
> bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike has returned.  
> So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. I have pretty 
> much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with a PBH height of 
> 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one of those guys who 
> needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for beautiful bicycles I am 
> struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top tubes. Is there any other 2TT 
> owners who had similar hesitation? What has your experience been? I am 
> wondering if it is something I'll eventually become accustomed to. Please let 
> me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[James Warren]

Tim,

I was con-2TT in 2011 or so. But it was only due to not being used to it.
Experienced (described below) showed me that my aversion was superficial.

Because in late 2012 I got a 2TT Riv that handles well with big tires and fits 
me and is pure fun, and I have no idea if the 2TT contributes to all that, but 
I have so much fun on the bike that I am very used to looking at it, and I 
developed zero aesthetic aversion to the 2TT, and after a few months, it was no 
longer weird, and after more and more months it became a familiar part of this 
awesome bike, and along with that came the realization that in addition to any 
other pluses, real or imagined, the presence of the additional tube meant more 
more beautiful paint, more beautiful lugs, and more beautiful steel.

The actual frame I'm talking about is in this video that the Riv guys filmed:

http://youtu.be/5VR4KaDeAuI

If the Hunq fits your whatever-surface dirt style, then its beauty will only 
grow the more fun you have on it. That's my theory anyway, and I'd bet that it 
applies to other models.

-Jim W.


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> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same story 
> as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on expensive 
> bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I have decided 
> that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so the word 
> "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my bike for 
> the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 hours on the 
> bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike has returned.  
> So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. I have pretty 
> much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with a PBH height of 
> 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one of those guys who 
> needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for beautiful bicycles I am 
> struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top tubes. Is there any other 2TT 
> owners who had similar hesitation? What has your experience been? I am 
> wondering if it is something I'll eventually become accustomed to. Please let 
> me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

"Beat, beat, and beat again."

Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 07/08/2016 06:13 PM, David Person wrote:
>
>> I can totally relate.  I knew I wanted a lugged frame when I went to
>> build my bike last year.  That ruled out a lot of other frames.  It was
>> down to a Sam Hillborne and a couple others but I wasn't hip on the double
>> top tube on the 62cm I needed (94cm PBH - 6'-2").  I also wasn't real hip
>> on the sage or blue that were offered at the time.  Then they announced
>> they would have a run of black and cream frames.  That was it.  I had to
>> have one.  Now I'm at the point that I don't even notice the second tube.
>>
>>
>>
> Is that because the Dremel took care of the 2nd tt?   Oh,  no -wait -
> that's Patrick...
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/08/2016 06:13 PM, David Person wrote:
I can totally relate.  I knew I wanted a lugged frame when I went to 
build my bike last year.  That ruled out a lot of other frames.  It 
was down to a Sam Hillborne and a couple others but I wasn't hip on 
the double top tube on the 62cm I needed (94cm PBH - 6'-2").  I also 
wasn't real hip on the sage or blue that were offered at the time. 
 Then they announced they would have a run of black and cream frames. 
 That was it.  I had to have one.  Now I'm at the point that I don't 
even notice the second tube.





Is that because the Dremel took care of the 2nd tt?   Oh,  no -wait - 
that's Patrick...


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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[David Person]

I can totally relate.  I knew I wanted a lugged frame when I went to build 
my bike last year.  That ruled out a lot of other frames.  It was down to a 
Sam Hillborne and a couple others but I wasn't hip on the double top tube 
on the 62cm I needed (94cm PBH - 6'-2").  I also wasn't real hip on the 
sage or blue that were offered at the time.  Then they announced they would 
have a run of black and cream frames.  That was it.  I had to have one. 
 Now I'm at the point that I don't even notice the second tube.

Guess I'm being a twin of Austin B, who responded earlier.


David Person

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 4:08:55 PM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Kainalu]

The 65 Clem is single top tubed. And for those of you who are long and enamored 
of the twin top tubed, I've got a 64 Hillborne for sale (see for sale post, but 
at this late hour I'll go lower than listed. I should update)
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Irving]

I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is free 
> then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut Creek 
> and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down to 
> BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from 
> Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down 
> through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded 
> Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of 
> pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.
>
> I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust 
> the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  > wrote:
>
>> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet 
>>> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the 
>>> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep 
>>> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
>>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
>>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
>>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high 
>>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>>
>>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a 
>>> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Lungimsam]

Can one get a larger sized Rivbike without the extra TT? Or is there no choice?

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Steve Palincsar]

A 60 cm frame made of 8/5/8 for a rider at or slightly above 200 lb who 
isn't carrying a huge load doesn't need a 2nd tt.  Neither does a 58.5 
cm frame for that same rider and that same load made out of 7/5/7 with 
an 8/5/8 downtube doesn't need a 2nd tt either.


On 07/08/2016 05:28 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think that the double tt is largely aesthetic; a 55 or 58 bicycle 
for a rider not much more than 200 lb, who rides like most North 
Americans (ie, doesn't carry 200 lb loads of paraffin tins, firewood, 
fodder, or relatives) doesn't need a 2nd tt for reasons of strength; 
after all, Rivendell frames are very well made.


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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

I think that the double tt is largely aesthetic; a 55 or 58 bicycle for a
rider not much more than 200 lb, who rides like most North Americans (ie,
doesn't carry 200 lb loads of paraffin tins, firewood, fodder, or
relatives) doesn't need a 2nd tt for reasons of strength; after all,
Rivendell frames are very well made.

OTOH, Rivendell bikes have a certain je ne sais quoi of handling quality;
even though I'd need only a 55, and even though I have no use for a second
tt, if a Sam Hill in my size took 50 mm tires with fenders, I'd take the
second tt, if no alternative, in order to get that signature Rivendell ride
quality.

Patrick Moore, who not too long ago owned a 56 cm c-c  single tt Sam Hill.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short.
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Make that 25! Also: Hip Hip Hooray to Ryan!

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Re: [RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Jim Bronson]

That explains the getting dark early, I was thinking if you started at
7am this time of year it would probably be light out until 9pm or
later.

Good job - 11h59m is good in the rain, it's not supposed to be
competitive anyway.  Camaraderie, not competition, is the name of the
game.  The friends you make is what keeps you coming back.

I've only done 1 200K this year and I finished in 12:11, and was glad
to do so.  It was hilly and it rained the whole 2nd half, I was soaked
when I got in, plus the high temp for the day was in the low-mid 40s.
Thank goodness for wool.  This was on January 2nd.

Here's a typical rando question:  Are you going back for the 300K?  ;)

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
> Forgot to mention that this ride was in November, 2015, in flattish, Maryland 
> farmland. The manure/fertilizer smell was intense in the air for most of the 
> ride! They must fertilize in the fall!
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Re: [RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Lynne Fitz]

"ACP Sanctioned" - for a brevet to be ACP sanctioned, it has to be scheduled 
(or, as we say, "calendared") by the end of September the year before; RBAs 
create their calendar for the coming year, the Board reviews ALL the calendars, 
and then the resultant national schedule is sent off to the ACP in France to 
get on the worldwide calendar.

RUSA sanctioned brevets may be calendared as little as 5 weeks ahead of the 
event.

The route selection/changes don't have much to do with the sanctioning.  If, 
for some reason (black ice, hurricanes) an ACP brevet cannot be held on the 
scheduled date, it can be run up to a week later.  After that, it becomes a 
RUSA-sanctioned brevet.

But congratulations on finishing the ride; you've been wanting to do one for 
several years!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been on board since the first announcement. We've only been on a super 
cheapo rental tandem once but enjoyed it, although the stoker does not trust me 
one little bit, despite my very intentional attempts to ease her fears. She 
loves her Sam, though doesn't ride it a ton. t've hedged and even decided not 
to get one a few times. I've no idea how much it will get ridden but I don't 
think I can pass it up. 

Also I must say too (in my best Great White North voice): "Here's to you Ryan! 
What a kind and generous fellow you are, eh"

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