Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Corwin]

Sounds pretty wild to me. JP not only enjoys the enjoys the diversion - 
he's created tools to assist him decipher your ruse. In this case, I 
suggest presenting him with three options:

1) New Bosco bullmoose. Explain this is the highest risk option because 
they may not work and you will be stuck with the bars - trying to sell them 
for some fraction of what you paid.

2) New Boscos with the Nitto Lugged stem. This option will make the one you 
really want look much better. You should add some wild reason why this 
option is great.

3) New Boscos with a Dirt Drop or Tallux stem. This is likely the one you 
want (or possibly just a new Dirt Drop or Tallux with less reach).

Then price options 1, 2 and 3 with JP's formula to make the (real) cost of 
#1 $200, #2 $300 and #3 $100.

He should pick #3 and feel honored that you led/deceived him into picking 
it.

What happens when you get a car repair bill or an invoice from the plumber? 
Heck - what happens when you talk about buying a house?

Thanks,



Corwin

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 9:17:14 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Corwin, you are so very right. I should be upfront with JP. But, for 
> laughs, I must tell you about The JP Official Manipulation Policy. Many 
> years ago, when we were first married, I would round down - ok, way down - 
> when disclosing purchases. He figured out that I was doing it, learned to 
> run his own calculations, and has developed his own formula for calculating 
> how much off the real price is. He - get ready - finds this FLATTERING 
> because it shows I care enough about him to manipulate him, and because it 
> requires real effort and finesse. Also, the policy is not just financial 
> but applies to anything I may be trying to negotiate with him. 
>
> We've made it 12 years, how many more do you think before he no longer 
> finds this cute? 
>
> I don't think I can pull off the new Clementine, but I bet I can finesse a 
> pair of bars onto the bike. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Corwin  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Leah -
>
> I would level with hubby. He sounds pretty reasonable. Heck - he's got TWO 
> Rivendells in his garage. I would start with this - tell hubby you LOVE his 
> setup on the Clem and have not stopped thinking about it since you rode his 
> bike. I would ask Hubby if you can borrow his bike to take the kids to and 
> from school. Then I would ride the Clem, varying hand positions till you 
> get a feel for how the Boscos are different from Albas.
>
> After a few rides on the Clem, I would approach Hubby again and suggest 
> you want to try Boscos on the Betty - but don't want to break the bank 
> doing so. You can suggest you swap bars between the Clem and Betty. I think 
> if you pose it as an adventure - he gets to try something new and help you 
> in the bargain - he will see the value in improving your situation. Then 
> you can mount the Boscos on the Betty and vary the hand positions - trying 
> to figure out if Boscos will work farther forward or not.
>
> I think if you emphasize the adventure/fun part and make Hubby a partner 
> in your plan, it will go much farther. Plus, I don't think it's a good idea 
> to try to get your boys to hide anything from Hubby (or you). Once you have 
> made him a partner and thoroughly scoped out the situation, I am sure he 
> will see that a couple hundred dollars invested to make your biking [even 
> more] blissful is money well spent.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 1:10:46 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
>> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my 
>> husband's 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few 
>> rides, but alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and 
>> have an unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's 
>> so unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so 
>> LOW. They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to 
>> do? I am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and 
>> MEASUREMENTS and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, 
>> blah blah. Not a language I speak. I only understand that those are 
>> comfortable bars and I want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars 
>> and if they will work, and it looks like a lot of work and expense to make 
>> the swap. I've thought I may call Riv and chat with them, but I always get 
>> starstruck and tongue-tied when I call them. 
>>
>> So, I come to you.
>>
>> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
>> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
>> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
>> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
>> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
>> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Leah Peterson]

Corwin, you are so very right. I should be upfront with JP. But, for laughs, I 
must tell you about The JP Official Manipulation Policy. Many years ago, when 
we were first married, I would round down - ok, way down - when disclosing 
purchases. He figured out that I was doing it, learned to run his own 
calculations, and has developed his own formula for calculating how much off 
the real price is. He - get ready - finds this FLATTERING because it shows I 
care enough about him to manipulate him, and because it requires real effort 
and finesse. Also, the policy is not just financial but applies to anything I 
may be trying to negotiate with him. 

We've made it 12 years, how many more do you think before he no longer finds 
this cute? 

I don't think I can pull off the new Clementine, but I bet I can finesse a pair 
of bars onto the bike. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Corwin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah -
> 
> I would level with hubby. He sounds pretty reasonable. Heck - he's got TWO 
> Rivendells in his garage. I would start with this - tell hubby you LOVE his 
> setup on the Clem and have not stopped thinking about it since you rode his 
> bike. I would ask Hubby if you can borrow his bike to take the kids to and 
> from school. Then I would ride the Clem, varying hand positions till you get 
> a feel for how the Boscos are different from Albas.
> 
> After a few rides on the Clem, I would approach Hubby again and suggest you 
> want to try Boscos on the Betty - but don't want to break the bank doing so. 
> You can suggest you swap bars between the Clem and Betty. I think if you pose 
> it as an adventure - he gets to try something new and help you in the bargain 
> - he will see the value in improving your situation. Then you can mount the 
> Boscos on the Betty and vary the hand positions - trying to figure out if 
> Boscos will work farther forward or not.
> 
> I think if you emphasize the adventure/fun part and make Hubby a partner in 
> your plan, it will go much farther. Plus, I don't think it's a good idea to 
> try to get your boys to hide anything from Hubby (or you). Once you have made 
> him a partner and thoroughly scoped out the situation, I am sure he will see 
> that a couple hundred dollars invested to make your biking [even more] 
> blissful is money well spent.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Corwin
> 
>> On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 1:10:46 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
>> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my husband's 
>> 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few rides, but 
>> alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and have an 
>> unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's so 
>> unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so LOW. 
>> They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to do? I 
>> am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and MEASUREMENTS 
>> and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, blah blah. Not 
>> a language I speak. I only understand that those are comfortable bars and I 
>> want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars and if they will work, and 
>> it looks like a lot of work and expense to make the swap. I've thought I may 
>> call Riv and chat with them, but I always get starstruck and tongue-tied 
>> when I call them.
>> So, I come to you.
>> 
>> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
>> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
>> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
>> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
>> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
>> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you stand 
>> up and pedal/climb with a Bosco bar?
>> 6. Am I going to mess up all the other stuff I like about the fit of my 
>> Betty if I change bars?
>> 
>> If I'm better off calling Riv, I'll do it. But if you have sage advice prior 
>> to me making that awkward phone call, I'll take it. Ha!
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Leah Peterson]

Geez this bike is lovely... Swoon

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> My wife rides a betty with a bosco bar.  It has a super long stem to offset 
> some of the reach back of the bosco.  Her betty is a 58 so it is already a 
> big size.  The bosco's really make the cockpit shorter so there is not enough 
> room to operate for my taste.  I think if you go to the boscos you will want 
> to make sure that your stem is long, like a 12cm (120mm).  My wife is 5-8 (I 
> can't share any more of her measurements without her permission).
> 
> Here are some pictures
> https://flic.kr/p/HTwwiz
> 
> I think the albatross bar is more elegant, but the boscos will raise things 
> up quite a bit.  Another option would be to use the "dirt drop" style stem on 
> your albatross bar.
> 
> Best,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 2:10:46 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
>> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my husband's 
>> 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few rides, but 
>> alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and have an 
>> unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's so 
>> unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so LOW. 
>> They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to do? I 
>> am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and MEASUREMENTS 
>> and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, blah blah. Not 
>> a language I speak. I only understand that those are comfortable bars and I 
>> want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars and if they will work, and 
>> it looks like a lot of work and expense to make the swap. I've thought I may 
>> call Riv and chat with them, but I always get starstruck and tongue-tied 
>> when I call them.
>> So, I come to you.
>> 
>> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
>> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
>> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
>> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
>> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
>> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you stand 
>> up and pedal/climb with a Bosco bar?
>> 6. Am I going to mess up all the other stuff I like about the fit of my 
>> Betty if I change bars?
>> 
>> If I'm better off calling Riv, I'll do it. But if you have sage advice prior 
>> to me making that awkward phone call, I'll take it. Ha!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Corwin]

Hi Leah -

I would level with hubby. He sounds pretty reasonable. Heck - he's got TWO 
Rivendells in his garage. I would start with this - tell hubby you LOVE his 
setup on the Clem and have not stopped thinking about it since you rode his 
bike. I would ask Hubby if you can borrow his bike to take the kids to and 
from school. Then I would ride the Clem, varying hand positions till you 
get a feel for how the Boscos are different from Albas.

After a few rides on the Clem, I would approach Hubby again and suggest you 
want to try Boscos on the Betty - but don't want to break the bank doing 
so. You can suggest you swap bars between the Clem and Betty. I think if 
you pose it as an adventure - he gets to try something new and help you in 
the bargain - he will see the value in improving your situation. Then you 
can mount the Boscos on the Betty and vary the hand positions - trying to 
figure out if Boscos will work farther forward or not.

I think if you emphasize the adventure/fun part and make Hubby a partner in 
your plan, it will go much farther. Plus, I don't think it's a good idea to 
try to get your boys to hide anything from Hubby (or you). Once you have 
made him a partner and thoroughly scoped out the situation, I am sure he 
will see that a couple hundred dollars invested to make your biking [even 
more] blissful is money well spent.

Thanks,


Corwin

On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 1:10:46 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my 
> husband's 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few 
> rides, but alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and 
> have an unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's 
> so unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so 
> LOW. They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to 
> do? I am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and 
> MEASUREMENTS and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, 
> blah blah. Not a language I speak. I only understand that those are 
> comfortable bars and I want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars 
> and if they will work, and it looks like a lot of work and expense to make 
> the swap. I've thought I may call Riv and chat with them, but I always get 
> starstruck and tongue-tied when I call them. 
>
> So, I come to you.
>
> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you stand 
> up and pedal/climb with a Bosco bar?
> 6. Am I going to mess up all the other stuff I like about the fit of my 
> Betty if I change bars?
>
> If I'm better off calling Riv, I'll do it. But if you have sage advice 
> prior to me making that awkward phone call, I'll take it. Ha!
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Garage Sale

[Corwin]

Hi -

Need to clear out space and raise some money. This is what I have to offer:

Silver Shifters:

Used these on my custom for a while. Only ridden about 200 miles. Mounted 
as downtube shifters. Hard to tell that they've been mounted. $25 + 
shipping.

Sugino wide low crankset:

Stock crankset that shipped with my Quickbeam. Includes stock 32 and 40 
tooth chainrings and chainguard. $75 + shipping.

Quickbeam [stock] Bottom bracket:

This bottom bracket served on my Quickbeam for several years. Still going 
strong. Had to replace it when I went to an outboard bearing setup. $10 + 
shipping

Shimano 16 tooth freewheel $20 shipped

Suntour XC Pro rear derailer:

Used gently. In great condition. $50 + shipping.

iBob Trailer $100 + shipping

An iBob Yak trailer. Required iBob quick release included.

Rivendell Seersucker Shirt:

Size XL. Worn a couple of times. All my shirts are professionally 
laundered. Usually have a little starch in them. This is easily washed out 
if it bothers you. $50 shipped

Rivendell Railroad Shirt:

Size XL. The real deal with stripey railroad fabric and rounded collar. 
Worn a couple of times. Note - the cuffs were big on me so I moved the 
buttons inboard. Trivial to move them back out. Same thing as Seersucker 
above about starch. $50 shipped.

Minoura repair stand $140 + shipping; includes seatpost grabber

Rear wheel:

This is a bomb-proof wheel built by Peter White. Shimano Dura Ace hub laced 
to a Mavic A719 rim. 32 spokes. Skewer included; cassette and tire not 
included. $100 + shipping.

Park Tool P-Handle Hex Wrench Set $40 shipped; includes holder.

2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 10mm wrenches. 4 - 10mm wrenches have bondhus ends 
on long side.

https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-P-Handled-Wrench-Holder/dp/B01EONU11Q

Rivendell Crochet-Back Leather Gloves $10 Shipped.

Fizik Red Leather Bar Tape $15 shipped.

New in box.

Have photos of everything at the link below. Sorry they are in no 
particular order. Google photos likes to arrange images in whatever order 
it sees fit. No easy way to reorder the images.

Thanks,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Hugh Smitham]

Erl,

You put the bars anyway you want. There is no right or wrong height. As the
dude put it "yeah well that's just your opinion man".

Family rides are the bees knees.

Warm Regards,

~Hugh

On Jul 28, 2016 7:05 PM, "WETH"  wrote:

Thanks to all for the kind words.  My favorite rides are family rides,
especially when I ride in the last spot and can watch the whole family
pedaling/coasting along!  Knowing I built up each bike from a frame/fork
adds to the satisfaction.  Long, enjoyable rides only became possible when
I introduced Riv philosophy to my wife and sons' bikes, perhaps I took bars
"up and back" a bit far, but they ride 50 miles without complaint of back
/shoulder/wrist pain.  When I look at the families' collection of bikes and
mine, I realize high bars are  a "family tradition!"
Thanks again and safe cycling!



On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:47:14 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Sweet! I love seeing those built up. They are fun and zazzy!
>
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:06:40 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much
attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue
to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I
periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was
outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height.
The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range
that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter
than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll
have to ride it! :)
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the
overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my
deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it
really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike,
#11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte
green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the
components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8
seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need
to be tweaked a bit.
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so
smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long
chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be
borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining
the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed
on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday:
https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
> Erl
> Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Now that I don't live within riding distance of the local 10 mile bike 
path, 100% of my rides fall into the 10-30 minute category.  Fits perfectly 
within the Rivendell philosophy of just hopping on and riding.  



On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:55:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it 
> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated 
> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore 
> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real 
> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. 
> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed 
> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous. 
>
> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every 
> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>
> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: GF looking for riv bike size 50

[Christopher Murray]

+1 on the Mercian!! Grant spoke highly of Mercian several years ago.

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] 10-30 minute rides

[WETH]

Great advice!

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[RBW] Re: GF looking for riv bike size 50

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not what or where you asked for, but the potential for a really, really 
nice GF bike

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/5671832658.html

That's been listed for a while.  

~Peter

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[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[David Banzer]

I've been doing this with my 13-month old - Clem has a Yepp Mini on the 
front now - a very slow 2-3 miles around the park that's across the street 
from me. Almost everyday for the past 2 weeks, weather permitting. Besides 
commuting, it's the most consistent cycling I've done in the past couple of 
years. 
And it's a ton of fun!
David
Chicago

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:55:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it 
> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated 
> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore 
> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real 
> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. 
> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed 
> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous. 
>
> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every 
> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>
> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 10-30 minute rides

[René Sterental]

Very good advice!

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it
> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated
> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore
> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real
> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded.
> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed
> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous.
>
> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every
> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>
> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] 10-30 minute rides

[Joe Bernard]

Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it along: "A 
10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated this because 
- although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore - I still have a 
tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real ride." Of course that's 
silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. Today I had exactly 30 minutes 
available before work started, so I grabbed my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose 
bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous. 

He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every day. 
Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.

Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! I love seeing those built up. They are fun and zazzy! 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:06:40 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much 
> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue 
> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I 
> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was 
> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height. 
>  The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range 
> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter 
> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll 
> have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, 
> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte 
> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the 
> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 
> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need 
> to be tweaked a bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be 
> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining 
> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed 
> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Quick on/off basket? Quick on/off rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Or this: http://papa-wheelies.com/product/dahon-tour-rack-rear-5145.htm

But I like the rear basket idea, and will pursue QR options.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> But will the Pletscher fit a Dahon? At any rate, for $79 I can get a Dahon
> touring style rack:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> But I did see this: http://www.ternbicycles.com/us/gear/471/kori-basket
>
> Does anyone know how it locks on?
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> If you can return that rack, the pletscher clem rack would work well.
>> There is a built-in quick release system that allows you to use their
>> basket or modify one of your choosing.  The flat, steel tabs at the bottom
>> of the struts could work with wingnuts on fixed studs for easy on/off
>> mounting.
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Re: [RBW] Quick on/off basket? Quick on/off rack?

[Patrick Moore]

But will the Pletscher fit a Dahon? At any rate, for $79 I can get a Dahon
touring style rack:

[image: Inline image 1]

But I did see this: http://www.ternbicycles.com/us/gear/471/kori-basket

Does anyone know how it locks on?

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> If you can return that rack, the pletscher clem rack would work well.
> There is a built-in quick release system that allows you to use their
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> of the struts could work with wingnuts on fixed studs for easy on/off
> mounting.
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[Ryan Fleming]

Sure isErl, you must be doing something right .. but that's such a 
unique bike , it's hard to resist!
On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:20:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It's very interesting that your son is not asking instead for the car 
> keys. Nice, though that stem is *high!*
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:06 AM, WETH  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much 
>> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue 
>> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I 
>> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was 
>> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height.  
>> The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range 
>> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter 
>> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll 
>> have to ride it! :)
>>
>> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
>> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
>> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
>> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, 
>> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte 
>> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the 
>> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 
>> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need 
>> to be tweaked a bit.
>>
>> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
>> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
>> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be 
>> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining 
>> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed 
>> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>>
>> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
>> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>>
>> Erl
>> Kensington, MD
>>
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[RBW] Quick on/off basket? Quick on/off rack?

[iamkeith]

If you can return that rack, the pletscher clem rack would work well.  There is 
a built-in quick release system that allows you to use their basket or modify 
one of your choosing.  The flat, steel tabs at the bottom of the struts could 
work with wingnuts on fixed studs for easy on/off mounting.

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[RBW] Re: Quick on/off basket? Quick on/off rack?

[Patrick Moore]

PS: I have a pristine Nitto saddlebag grip and a non-pristine but perfectly
sound Hoss for sale; will be posting shortly.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm asking my question on this list because baskets are a big topic here.
> This is for the Dahon Hon Solo.
>
> I have gotten tired of trying to stuff the Hoss full -- holding the gallon
> of milk in place while I try to stuff in the six pack, and have both stay
> in place so that there is room for the hamburger and buns and so forth.
>
> I intended to buy a Dahon rack that will support panniers while giving
> enough foot clearance, but of course I didn't think this through and bought
> one of those pictured below. Sure, it holds Roller Packers just fine -- if
> you have size 2 feet.
>
> Anyway, rather than spend more for a hugely tall touring rack, I will rig
> up some sort of rear basket, probably a large milk crate, but perhaps a
> Wald of some sort.
>
> But I don't want to haul the basket along everywhere, especially when I
> collapse the bike to put it in the trunk. The bike folds perfectly with the
> rack attached.
>
> So, QR for basket, or QR for rack. Zip ties and hose clamps are out unless
> I can devise a QR method for the rack itself.
>
> Note that I intend to carry up to 30 lb and in bulk up to the size of 2
> paper grocery sacks; such loads would be for very short distances -- a mile
> or 2 at most.
>
> QR rack: I've though that if I could find knobs threaded for the standard
> rack boss bolts (what is that size called?), I could run longer bolts from
> behind into the bosses, have them extend say 10-15 mm out the other side,
> and simply remove and install the rack as needed -- spread legs, slip over
> bolts, tighten down knobs or wingnuts. But I don't know of any such knobs
> or wingnuts -- ideas?
>
> QR basket: some way to quickly remove and attach the basket. This is good:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-z--jrw1Y
>
> It's somewhat complex, and I wonder if the basket would be secure enough.
>
> The "Fietsklik" looks promising, but it's $99 and apparently still
> vaporware:
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/fietsklik-quick-release-bike-carriers/31376/
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[Patrick Moore]

It's very interesting that your son is not asking instead for the car keys.
Nice, though that stem is *high!*

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:06 AM, WETH  wrote:

>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much
> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue
> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I
> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was
> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height.
> The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range
> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter
> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll
> have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike,
> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte
> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the
> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8
> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need
> to be tweaked a bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be
> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining
> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed
> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday:
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Howard H]

Very cool Erl. I like that color!

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[RBW] Quick on/off basket? Quick on/off rack?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm asking my question on this list because baskets are a big topic here.
This is for the Dahon Hon Solo.

I have gotten tired of trying to stuff the Hoss full -- holding the gallon
of milk in place while I try to stuff in the six pack, and have both stay
in place so that there is room for the hamburger and buns and so forth.

I intended to buy a Dahon rack that will support panniers while giving
enough foot clearance, but of course I didn't think this through and bought
one of those pictured below. Sure, it holds Roller Packers just fine -- if
you have size 2 feet.

Anyway, rather than spend more for a hugely tall touring rack, I will rig
up some sort of rear basket, probably a large milk crate, but perhaps a
Wald of some sort.

But I don't want to haul the basket along everywhere, especially when I
collapse the bike to put it in the trunk. The bike folds perfectly with the
rack attached.

So, QR for basket, or QR for rack. Zip ties and hose clamps are out unless
I can devise a QR method for the rack itself.

Note that I intend to carry up to 30 lb and in bulk up to the size of 2
paper grocery sacks; such loads would be for very short distances -- a mile
or 2 at most.

QR rack: I've though that if I could find knobs threaded for the standard
rack boss bolts (what is that size called?), I could run longer bolts from
behind into the bosses, have them extend say 10-15 mm out the other side,
and simply remove and install the rack as needed -- spread legs, slip over
bolts, tighten down knobs or wingnuts. But I don't know of any such knobs
or wingnuts -- ideas?

QR basket: some way to quickly remove and attach the basket. This is good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-z--jrw1Y

It's somewhat complex, and I wonder if the basket would be secure enough.

The "Fietsklik" looks promising, but it's $99 and apparently still
vaporware:

http://www.gizmag.com/fietsklik-quick-release-bike-carriers/31376/

Ideas?

Thanks.




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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[René Sterental]

Awesome! Here's to hoping he grows more than one inch over you!!! :-)

René

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:56 PM, islaysteve  wrote:

> Erl, that's an awesome-looking bike, I can't wait to see it!  Your son is
> very lucky ( in more ways than one).
> Cheers, Steve
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[islaysteve]

Erl, that's an awesome-looking bike, I can't wait to see it!  Your son is very 
lucky ( in more ways than one).
Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Custom and early orange Rambouillet

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rishi, so that's where all the remaining 175 TA Zephyrs went.  I might be 
interested in the Arkels.  What color?  Ping me directly:  pbridge130 AT 
aol  DOT  com.

Peter



On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:24:43 PM UTC-7, Rishi Dev wrote:

> Hi Everyone. Selling my beloved bicycle. Frame is custom Rivendell built 
> by Curt Goodrich in 2002, frame #1199. Designed for loaded touring and fire 
> trails, similar to an Atlantis.
>
> Full details are on Craigslist: 
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5666117578.html
>
> Also selling a 2002 orange Rambouillet complete bike: 
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5666135130.html
>
> I'm in Orange County, California. Prefer to do business in person, but if 
> someone from this list is interested I could ship. I learned a LOT about 
> Rivendell and bicycles in general from this list back in the early 2000s, 
> and want the bike to go to a good home. Corny, I know.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Rishi
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

+1 for the ENO hub. Terrific concept, perfectly executed. I have one on my 
single speed Wilbury, and I love it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:

I resemble that remark! I've ridden my Quickbeam up Mt Diablo. It was hard, and 
I did switch to the freewheel for the descent.

I'm pro track ends for ease of fat-tired wheel removal, anti EBB if you want to 
change gears mid-ride (or without a work stand), pro fixed gear, anti disc 
brakes, anti-IGH, pro-derailleurs, and pro Rat Trap Pass tires. 
Anti(ish)-fenders.

The Riv singlespeeds did sell, I mean, they're out of stock, right? :^)
If I wanted to replace my Quickbeam, I'd buy a Legolas and ask for the track 
ends, or just use an ENO hub.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 3:36:50 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
I think not. The two sorta-singlespeeds they tried to sell didn't, and only a 
crazy-person would ride one in the area RBW is located. (Yes, I've seen a 
Quickbeam on Mt. Diablo. That guy was crazy).

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Wonderful gift, Erl. I know you will both enjoy it!

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> On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:06 PM, WETH  wrote:
>
>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much attention. 
>  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue to tell 
> myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I periodically 
> followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was outgrowing his bike and 
> at the age of 16 had reached almost full height.  The sizing of the first run 
> of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range that would fit my son even if 
> he grew from his current one inch shorter than I to one inch taller.  Of 
> course, should he grow more than that,  I'll have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, #11,  
> arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte green.  
> >From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the components.  
> New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 seatpost made 
> Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need to be tweaked a 
> bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be borrowing 
> this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining the history 
> of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed on the back by 
> many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 2:22:07 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I think that's an awesome 16th birthday gift...way better than a car , in 
> my opinion ...
>

That's my opinion, too. 

And for a 16-year-old to be interested in bikes means that you must've done 
a good job at parenting, Erl!  ; )

Bob E

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[Joe Bernard]

Philip, you may be the one I met on a Riv Ride about 10 years ago. The fellow 
was on a new green Quickbeam, and seemed a little taken aback by how steep that 
hill is. It's steep!

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Scott McLain]

My wife rides a betty with a bosco bar.  It has a super long stem to offset 
some of the reach back of the bosco.  Her betty is a 58 so it is already a 
big size.  The bosco's really make the cockpit shorter so there is not 
enough room to operate for my taste.  I think if you go to the boscos you 
will want to make sure that your stem is long, like a 12cm (120mm).  My 
wife is 5-8 (I can't share any more of her measurements without her 
permission).

Here are some pictures
https://flic.kr/p/HTwwiz

I think the albatross bar is more elegant, but the boscos will raise things 
up quite a bit.  Another option would be to use the "dirt drop" style stem 
on your albatross bar.

Best,
Scott



On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 2:10:46 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> A terrible thing happened this vacation. I lent my Betty Foy, the bike I 
> swore was perfect in every way possible, to a relative and rode my 
> husband's 52 Clem. I swear I didn't mean to cheat, and it was only a few 
> rides, but alas, I'm now feeling dissatisfied with my Albatross bars and 
> have an unhealthy desire to have whatever those bars on the Clem are. It's 
> so unexpected; as I said, it was just a few rides, but now my bars feel so 
> LOW. They're maxed out as high as I can put them, so what else is there to 
> do? I am leery of changing bars because there are all these SIZES and 
> MEASUREMENTS and talk of the bars being closer to you and top tube length, 
> blah blah. Not a language I speak. I only understand that those are 
> comfortable bars and I want them on my bike, but I don't know which bars 
> and if they will work, and it looks like a lot of work and expense to make 
> the swap. I've thought I may call Riv and chat with them, but I always get 
> starstruck and tongue-tied when I call them. 
>
> So, I come to you.
>
> I have a 55 Betty with Albatross bars. 
> 1. Can a Bosco-type bar work? What about all this top tube talk? 
> 2. What is really the difference between Bosco and Bullmoose? 
> 3. How do you choose the sizes?
> 4. Why is the Bullmoose so expensive compared to Bosco?
> 5. I have a steep uphill commute home from the boys' school. Can you stand 
> up and pedal/climb with a Bosco bar?
> 6. Am I going to mess up all the other stuff I like about the fit of my 
> Betty if I change bars?
>
> If I'm better off calling Riv, I'll do it. But if you have sage advice 
> prior to me making that awkward phone call, I'll take it. Ha!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot

[Philip Williamson]

That's beautiful! Good luck with the sale. 
I visited Saturday Cycles last year when I was in Salt Lake. Super cool 
shop.

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 7:26:42 PM UTC-7, CraigM wrote:
>
> I purchased the frame new from Rivendell, had it built by Saturday Cycles 
> in Salt Lake using a collection of personal parts of various use and 
> vintage, as outlined below. I took it for two short rides, less than 15 
> miles total, and then hung it up. An absolutely beautiful bike. Selling as 
> a complete bike only. Saddle not included. 
>
> *Components with less than 20 miles (like new)*
>
> 60cm Cheviot Frame (green)
>
> Silver (brand) brakes
>
> Nitto “Longboy” rear rack
>
> Pletscher dual leg kickstand
>
> Shimano Deore XT m737 rear derailleur
>
> Double chain 
>
> *Components with various mileage (all very good to excellent condition)*
>
> Nitto Albatross bars
>
> Cork grips
>
> Shimano brake levers
>
> Sugino 172.5 triple crank
>
> Microshift bar-end shifters (friction only)
>
> Soma front derailleur
>
> Nitto stem
>
> Nitto seatpost
>
> Mavic T217 Ceramic wheelset, Phil Wood cassette hub, Schmidts Original 
> Nabendynamo front hub
> Schmidt EDelux (i) headlight
> Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road tires 
>  
> Additional photos and information available upon request. 
>
>  
>
> Price is $2,475 plus $125 professional packing and insured shipping to the 
> continguious United States.  
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[Philip Williamson]

I resemble that remark! I've ridden my Quickbeam up Mt Diablo. It was hard, 
and I did switch to the freewheel for the descent. 

I'm pro track ends for ease of fat-tired wheel removal, anti EBB if you 
want to change gears mid-ride (or without a work stand), pro fixed gear, 
anti disc brakes, anti-IGH, pro-derailleurs, and pro Rat Trap Pass tires. 
Anti(ish)-fenders. 

The Riv singlespeeds did sell, I mean, they're out of stock, right? :^) 
If I wanted to replace my Quickbeam, I'd buy a Legolas and ask for the 
track ends, or just use an ENO hub.  

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

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>
> I think not. The two sorta-singlespeeds they tried to sell didn't, and 
> only a crazy-person would ride one in the area RBW is located. (Yes, I've 
> seen a Quickbeam on Mt. Diablo. That guy was crazy).

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[sameness]

Dunno man, I see a whole lot of sub-$300 fat bikes from Walmart out on the 
road these days. Pot metal MAFACs and cast 'n cottered Cyclotouriste 
knock-offs are probably not too far behind.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:11:24 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>
> I'm not sure the Riv single speed efforts came any where close to 
> pandering to the fixie crowd, but I do share your confusion about the 
> trend. So many people rolling around on fixed skinny tired track bikes when 
> theres not a track nor velodrome nearby but plenty of potholed roads. I 
> think one of the most interesting parts of trends like the fixed/ss craze 
> is when they reach the walmart demographic and you find some bike named 
> "the fixie" decked out in all matching lime green parts or something on the 
> shelves of your local big box stores. I often wonder if there will be a 
> time in which the rando renaissance will make it that far and we will see 
> racked-out fendered big tire bikes at your local walmart - i severely doubt 
> it but it's hilarious to me as a hypothetical. One thing that really makes 
> me laugh about the rando trend is that if it comes to pass as most trends 
> do, it will have left many useful bikes in the world as opposed to some 
> other fads such as certain bmx, fixie, racers which left behind only highly 
> specialized / limited use bikes.
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Ryan Fleming]

I think that's an awesome 16th birthday gift...way better than a car , in 
my opinion and I hope you both share many happy miles on it...the bubbe 
look is growing on me, I have to admit :)

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 12:06:40 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much 
> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue 
> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I 
> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was 
> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height. 
>  The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range 
> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter 
> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll 
> have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, 
> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte 
> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the 
> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 
> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need 
> to be tweaked a bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be 
> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining 
> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed 
> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[S. Greco]

I'm not sure the Riv single speed efforts came any where close to pandering 
to the fixie crowd, but I do share your confusion about the trend. So many 
people rolling around on fixed skinny tired track bikes when theres not a 
track nor velodrome nearby but plenty of potholed roads. I think one of the 
most interesting parts of trends like the fixed/ss craze is when they reach 
the walmart demographic and you find some bike named "the fixie" decked out 
in all matching lime green parts or something on the shelves of your local 
big box stores. I often wonder if there will be a time in which the rando 
renaissance will make it that far and we will see racked-out fendered big 
tire bikes at your local walmart - i severely doubt it but it's hilarious 
to me as a hypothetical. One thing that really makes me laugh about the 
rando trend is that if it comes to pass as most trends do, it will have 
left many useful bikes in the world as opposed to some other fads such as 
certain bmx, fixie, racers which left behind only highly specialized / 
limited use bikes.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Trek 650b'd 330 Frameset F/F/HS - $250 plus shipping

[David Banzer]

Bump and price lowered to move this out of my storage space.
$125 plus shipping. Paypal Personal.
Local pickup encouraged, but can ship if need be.
Thanks,
David
Chicago


On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 3:03:47 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Keep going back and forth on selling this one. I've decided to let it go 
> for sure now.
> I'll take some new photos shortly.
> $200 plus shipping. 
>
> Here's info from the original post:
> 1987 Trek 330 Frameset
> I had a local framebuilder add cantilever brake studs for 650b wheels, 
> then I rattlecanned the area. 
> Frame could be repainted as there is wear to the original paint, or just 
> ride it as it is.
> 63.5cm seattube center-center.
> Front end geometry is 73degree headtube, 45mm fork rake. I road it with a 
> large saddlebag and it handled great.
> I picked this frame to have canti's added to as it check off a lot of 
> boxes for a nice 650b road bike:
> Reynolds 531db main tubes, downtube brake bosses, 2 water bottle cages, 
> and a pump peg.
> Original geometry specs here: 
> http://vintage-trek.com/images/trek/1987/87Trek23.jpg - mine's the 25.5" 
> size
> I ran it mainly with 38mm tires and fenders would fit. I recall fitting it 
> with Fatty Rumpkins and fenders at some point. I test fitted some 42mm Pari 
> Motos (mine are 40mm actual) and clearances are kind of tight at fork crown 
> and chainstays (wheel slid to the back of dropouts) but are acceptable if 
> paved roads are mainly what would be ridden. Fenders would fit as well.
> This bike 'planed' very nicely for me.
>
>
> Older photos here (meaning some paint chips occurred at some point during 
> use, not reflected in these photos): 
> http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/E24B372C-21E3-4BB9-A15E-9586BCD86C66-6351-066096CFE8C2_zpse2ac3877.jpg
>  
> 
> Contact offlist if you're interested.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 11:21:02 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Bump and lower.
>> $225 plus shipping.
>>
>> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:26:05 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> My forthcoming BMC Monster Cross will make this bike unneeded, so 
>>> selling frameset.
>>>
>>> 1987 Trek 330 Frameset
>>> I had a local framebuilder add cantilever brake studs for 650b wheels, 
>>> then I rattlecanned the area. 
>>> Frame could be repainted as there is wear to the original paint, or just 
>>> ride it as it is.
>>> 63.5cm seattube center-center.
>>> Front end geometry is 73degree headtube, 45mm fork rake. I road it with 
>>> a large saddlebag and it handled great.
>>> I picked this frame to have canti's added to as it checked off a lot of 
>>> boxes for a nice 650b road bike:
>>> Reynolds 531db main tubes, downtube brake bosses, 2 water bottle cages, 
>>> and a pump peg.
>>> Original geometry specs here: 
>>> http://vintage-trek.com/images/trek/1987/87Trek23.jpg - mine's the 
>>> 25.5" size
>>> I ran it mainly with 38mm tires and fenders would fit. I recall fitting 
>>> it with Fatty Rumpkins and fenders at some point. I test fitted some 42mm 
>>> Pari Motos (mine are 40mm actual) and clearances are kind of tight at fork 
>>> crown and chainstays (wheel slid to the back of dropouts) but are 
>>> acceptable if paved roads are mainly what would be ridden. Fenders would 
>>> fit as well.
>>> This bike 'planed' very nicely for me.
>>>
>>> $250 plus shipping.
>>> Paypal for payment, please. I'll cover PP fees.
>>>
>>> Older photos here (meaning some paint chips occurred at some point 
>>> during use, not reflected in these photos): 
>>> http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/E24B372C-21E3-4BB9-A15E-9586BCD86C66-6351-066096CFE8C2_zpse2ac3877.jpg
>>> Contact offlist if you're interested.
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Hugh Smitham]

A bike from a Father is a nice touch and a lucky son indeed. Very happy for 
your son and you Erl. Continue to enjoy the family bike rides I know I did 
as a youth with my Dad & Mom.

Cheers,

~Hugh

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 10:06:40 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much 
> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue 
> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I 
> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was 
> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height. 
>  The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range 
> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter 
> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll 
> have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, 
> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte 
> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the 
> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 
> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need 
> to be tweaked a bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be 
> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining 
> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed 
> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[George Schick]

Not too many years ago I used to see a lot tweenie kids riding around on 
20" bikes that resembled BMX with the saddle mounted all the way down to 
the top tube so they had to stand up most of the time while peddling, if 
they didn't want their knees banging into their chins.  I stopped one of 
'em on the trail once and asked him what that business was all about.  He 
said they have their saddles like that so they can do "tricks."  I looked 
closely at his bike and indeed saw that it had more heavily spoked wheels, 
a circular gizmo that slid up and down the head tube with the front brake 
cables attached to either side so the wheel could be turned 360 degrees, 
and axle mounted pegs on the front and rear wheels where one could stand 
while doing "stunts."  Funny thing is that I never once saw any one of them 
doing stunt riding - it was apparent just a status symbol for that age 
group.

That same demographic, now in high school, seems to have lashed onto 
"pimped out" fixies decked out in all sorts of pastel frame, wheel, saddle, 
and drive train colors.  Apparently just another status symbol because I 
never see any of 'em actually doing any head's down riding on them; just 
hanging with the crowd at their favorite gathering places.  Not sure how 
many bike companies are trying to jump onto that bandwagon before that fad 
passes, as well.


On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 3:18:24 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
> A friend told me they heard Riv has a fixed and/or single speed in the 
> works for 2017.
>
> For some reason, he refused to elaborate. Perhaps he is just full of 
> processed cow fodder.
>
> Has anyone here heard anything about this?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #11

[Bill Lindsay]

That's pretty terrific.  It's set up a fair bit TOO upright for my tastes, 
but you didn't buy it for me.  ;-)

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 10:06:40 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
>
> When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much 
> attention.  I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue 
> to tell myself everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I 
> periodically followed the Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was 
> outgrowing his bike and at the age of 16 had reached almost full height. 
>  The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit me perfectly and had a PBH range 
> that would fit my son even if he grew from his current one inch shorter 
> than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow more than that,  I'll 
> have to ride it! :)
>
> I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the 
> overall concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my 
> deposit for one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it 
> really isn't a leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, 
> #11,  arrived earlier than I expected and was painted an awesome matte 
> green.  From my parts bin and off my son's old bike came most of the 
> components.  New Little Big Bens, new Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 
> seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, off his old bike, still need 
> to be tweaked a bit.
>
> I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
> smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
> chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be 
> borrowing this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining 
> the history of the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed 
> on the back by many Riv employees- a nice touch!
>
> Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Fixed/Single Speed in 2017???

[S. Greco]

I'll just leave this here for those visualizing the horizontal drop with 
derailer hanger.

Can attest that it works great.







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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe #11

[WETH]

When Rivendell announced the Rosco Bubbe project I didn't pay much attention.  
I had all the bikes I needed!  Or so I told myself and continue to tell myself 
everyday!  Slowly an idea took root and grew as I periodically followed the 
Rosco Bubbe project.  My eldest son was outgrowing his bike and at the age of 
16 had reached almost full height.  The sizing of the first run of Roscos fit 
me perfectly and had a PBH range that would fit my son even if he grew from his 
current one inch shorter than I to one inch taller.  Of course, should he grow 
more than that,  I'll have to ride it! :)

I showed him the Rosco Bubbe tumblr site, and he liked the bike and the overall 
concept of the Rosco project.  I took a leap of faith and placed my deposit for 
one of the 13 Rosco Bubbes.  (When dealing with Rivendell, it really isn't a 
leap of faith.  They know what they're doing!) The bike, #11,  arrived earlier 
than I expected and was painted an awesome matte green.  From my parts bin and 
off my son's old bike came most of the components.  New Little Big Bens, new 
Tektro R559 brakes, and a new 26.8 seatpost made Rosco road ready. The fenders, 
off his old bike, still need to be tweaked a bit.

I have ridden it a few miles-I had to test it didn't I?-and it rides so 
smoothly.  There is no twitchiness in the handling.  This must be the long 
chain stay effect I have read others praising.  I will certainly be borrowing 
this bike from my son!  A card accompanied the frame explaining the history of 
the Rosco Bubbe line of bikes, and the card had been signed on the back by many 
Riv employees- a nice touch!

Pictures here show I assembled a Rosco Bubbe for my son's 16th birthday: 
https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157671323031306

Erl
Kensington, MD

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

[James Warren]

Of course if we never get around to selling the parts used in our experiments, 
our house guests begin to say to us, "oh, I'll sleep in your guest room with 
the stems!"


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 3:45 PM, dougP 

> A bit of fiddling here, changing there, & voila!  In a couple of years you'll 
> be posting "FS" ads here.  How do you think we all have all this stuff for 
> sale?  Join in the fun.  
> 
> Forget Option A; that's just too common sensical & no fun at all.  Option D 
> sounds like a grand adventure (if he got his crate, that would help you pull 
> off this switcheroo), while Option E sounds positively exciting (especially 
> given the perceived risk).  I'll leave comments on Options B & C to those 
> with experience with those bars.
> 
> You won't be able to rest until you change something, so just go for it.  
> 
> dougP  
> 

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Don't ever like to disagree with smart guys like Bill, Deac and Mark, but much 
as I like Bullmoose bars of all types, the Bosco Bullmoose (which I have on two 
bikes) is perfect on one (Mystery Bike) and only ok on the other (MB-2 
Resurrectio), and the reason is bar grip angle (which is, I think, very 
sensitive to frame size and geometry).

I really do love Boscos, though, so I'd vote for whichever option involves 
getting the regular Boscos and finding a stem to fit.  Someone said stems are 
pretty cheap used on this list, and I agree 100%.  I must have half a dozen 
reasonably nice ones I'd sell for a very reasonable price, and a couple of 
serviceable ones I'd let go for the cost of shipping.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
> wrote:

And when the angle and reach aren't quite right for her riding style and 
anatomy Buy a separate bar and stem? Bar angle is not complex and minor 
angles do matter for some folks, same for reach.

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
Bill and Mark nailed it. Cut through the noise and complexity: Bosco Bulls.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:32:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
I have both versions and I agree with Bill. Bosco Bulls! Or lie down and wait 
for the feeling to pass.

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Another data point. I agree with Jeff and ponder. Get the regular Boscos, 
then get whatever stem you need to make them perfect.Jim D 
  Massachusetts

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I finally got around to calling Riv. Brian asked about my current stem 
> length, which of course I don't know - I said, "Whatever a 55 BF came with 
> in late 2012". He instructed me to measure it. Then he got to thinking that 
> maybe it would just be better to spring for the Bosco bull moose and not 
> mess with the stem at all. He suspects I probably need a longer one because 
> the Bosco bar ends will be a full 2 inches closer to me. Pricey. And who 
> knows if these bars are even going to feel right on this bike. Just because 
> I liked them on the Clem means nothing for the BF. Your thoughts? Would you:
> A.) Leave well enough alone, you idiot.
> B.) Try Bosco bars with whatever stem is already on the bike.
> C.) Get the Bullmoose Boscos and be done with it.
> D.) Steal the Clem and convince husband that the BF is actually his bike.
> E.) Buy a Clementine and wait to be served with divorce papers.
> F.) All of the above.
>
> ***Also, I can't switch our bars to see how I like it. I have to pay a LBS 
> do the work AND I'm hiding these bars from my husband who will be appalled 
> that I'm spending more money on this bike of mine.***
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

[Jeff Lesperance]

And when the angle and reach aren't quite right for her riding style and
anatomy Buy a separate bar and stem? Bar angle is not complex and minor
angles do matter for some folks, same for reach.

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Bill and Mark nailed it. Cut through the noise and complexity: Bosco Bulls.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:32:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I have both versions and I agree with Bill. Bosco Bulls! Or lie down and
>> wait for the feeling to pass.
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

[Deacon Patrick]

Bill and Mark nailed it. Cut through the noise and complexity: Bosco Bulls.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:32:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I have both versions and I agree with Bill. Bosco Bulls! Or lie down and 
> wait for the feeling to pass.

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[RBW] Bags, Saddle, Front Wheels for sale.

[Beardpapa]

I'll take the saddle bag support!

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Re: [RBW] Re: silly question re: cyclometers

[Scott Henry]

Evan,
I'd wholeheartedly recommend the Garmin Edge 25
$170 at Nashbar right now
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_586662_-1___#ReviewHeader

Sounds exactly what you want
Scott

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Evan E.  wrote:

> Hi Everybody:
>
> Because I'm not very good at reading cue sheets or Google-map directions
> while riding, you-all now have me considering a navigation device for the
> first time ever. So, some questions for the group:
>
> Please name a device (whether it's the Garmin Edge 20 or Cateye Urban or
> something similar) that is so simple that a Luddite / technical moron can
> use it for route directions.
>
> - Does this device give audible audio instructions such as "turn right in
> 20 meters," or does it only show "right" or "left" or whatever on its tiny
> screen? If the latter, is the word or symbol on the screen easy to see and
> to follow?
>
> - Can this device easily upload and use cue-sheets / route directions from
> a computer?
>
> - Does this device not require the use of a smartphone?
>
> - Can this device hold a charge for at least eight hours, and preferably
> ten?
>
> I'd love to hear of a super-simple-to-use and relatively inexpensive device
> that can give me accurate and timely instructions on when to turn. Any
> other feature (speed, distance, time, heart rate, map of route traveled for
> boasting purposes) is a bonus.
>
> Your advice, please? Specific product names especially appreciated! And if
> you've outgrown a device because it's too basic for you, you may have a
> buyer in me.
>
> Thanks,
> Evan E. in S.F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 6:32:39 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Whatever lowest level Garmin (Edge 20 or 25?)has will do everything you
>> want it to and it will do it without having to add sensors or wiresplus
>> you will get gps. They are super simple to use.
>>
>> I use the Garmin 1000 Explore and find it to be great except I've come
>> across a bug when out mountain biking. When sweat hits the touchscreen it
>> will think I'm trying to change that data field and go to a menu of
>> choices. I'm always sweating while mountainbiking and I'm always moving
>> around on the bike so sweat is flying exactly where the garmin sits, so it
>> has been bumming me out. Garmin customer service can't solve the issue.
>> I've been thinking about picking up an Edge 20 or 25 just so I don't need
>> to take the 1000 with me and those have push buttons instead of
>> touchscreens. Plus, they are smaller.
>>
>> I dig data on the road bike, even have a power meter but on the mountain
>> bike not so much. I do like to look at a gps map of where I went though,
>> and garmin saves all that in one convenient place.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:18:51 AM UTC-5, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe its my age but its a confusing world looking at the many different
>>> cyclometers (or whatever they are called)
>>> Im looking for something wireless, simple that has the basic (important)
>>> features likeHow fast? Distance? Total miles?
>>> But well built.
>>> Most I look at seem cluttered with endless features.
>>> Any opinions from those who have traveled this road?
>>>
>>> BBOB
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Chronicles

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have both versions and I agree with Bill. Bosco Bulls! Or lie down and wait 
for the feeling to pass.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Chronicles

[Garth]

   What was the stem length you measured and exactly what stem is it ?

As I mentioned previously, you may simply be able to raise the Alba bars 
with a different stem.  Neither the Alba or the Bosco is anything special 
by themselves, the purpose of them is have your hands where you want them *in 
conjunction with the stem*.  They work in unison, change one and the other 
may "seem" totally wrong/right, but not really at all as *it's the 
combination that counts* as neither by themselves will do anything for you. 

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