Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[lum gim fong]

The Nitto Faotweayher drop bar is 25.4
Its lije a mini noodke
Mod 174?

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[RBW] Re: Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[Garth]

   Protecting businesses, people places and things.. hmmm. from 
what and who, the  protectors ?

Okay..

 2 plus 2 equals 4, this truth is absolute, it requires no protection, 
truth cannot be anything other than true, it irrevocably is.  2 plus 2 
equalling 97  is not fàlse, as if fàlsity is something true, it is not at 
all.  Nothing is never Truth, since Truth is wholly true ,  absolutely !  


Since truth is true and all thàt is true is truth,  dang... all 
really is well !  


On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 3:45:21 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Maybe it is time for proprietary MUSA bars to avoid Amazon, et. al. 
> undercutting sales 
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Scott McLain]

I smile every chance I get to ride my AHH.  I can't think of a more 
satisfying purchase I have made.  

Scott

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 7:40:16 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[Christopher Murray]

I doubt there is anyone in the USA that can do what Nitto does but maybe I'm 
wrong. From past comments Grant has made I don't think there is anyone to blame 
here. Grant has said previously that they did not have an exclusive agreement 
with manufacturers- so the manufacturer (Nitto, MKS, Panaracer, etc) was free 
to sell to other people. So who is to blame? Riv/Grant for not getting the 
exclusive? The manufacturer for making and selling products? The seller with 
the lower prices undercutting Riv? The buyer who buys from the seller with 
lower prices (and maybe doesn't even know about the Riv connection)? Or no one? 
I'd say no one but I'd also be agreeable to everyone. 

Riv is going to do things different now. Hopefully this prevents the issue and 
Riv gets the business (and design credit) they deserve. 

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Debate

[R Shannon]

If it's a sage green Sam then quite possibly. I rode to St. Mtn. one day last 
week to look at the tent camping sites. For me an easy Sub 24 ride/camp out. A 
little over an hour one way from my house.

Riv/iBob ride would be great!

Best regards,
Richard



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> On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rich,
> 
> Is that your green Riv I see near Stone Mtn sometimes? I used to ride there 
> when my friend lived in Avondale Estates. 
> 
> Indeed, we'll get up a RBW/iBob group ride after the holidays!
> 
> Cheers
> Bill in Roswell, GA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:16:56 PM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>> Jumping in here with the Georgia list members to include Decatur! As the 
>> signs say: "A Bicycle Friendly Community"
>> Riv Ride south in the offing?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:50:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Gates wrote:
>>> Bill and Jock: I am about halfway between you two in Winder!  Perhaps one 
>>> day we can all meet up for a ride!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Debate

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/15/2016 10:09 PM, Belopsky wrote:
I'd love a L'however you spell it, but I also don't 'need' it - I 
don't front load or anything, I like the look, want a 650b bike. I 
guess the Touissant could be that on the cheap (as far as frame goes) 
but..




If you "don't front load" then you really do *not* want one. Nor the 
Touissant, either.



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[RBW] Re: My Debate

[Belopsky]

I'd love a L'however you spell it, but I also don't 'need' it - I don't 
front load or anything, I like the look, want a 650b bike. I guess the 
Touissant could be that on the cheap (as far as frame goes) but..

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[RBW] Re: My Debate

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

What is a "bike packing bike"  ??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Joe Bernard]

I've looked at it a hundred times, but honestly it's just not my color. I like 
the red and white ones. 

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[RBW] Re: My Debate

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Hi Rich,

Is that your green Riv I see near Stone Mtn sometimes? I used to ride there 
when my friend lived in Avondale Estates. 

Indeed, we'll get up a RBW/iBob group ride after the holidays!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell, GA



On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:16:56 PM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Jumping in here with the Georgia list members to include Decatur! As the 
> signs say: "A Bicycle Friendly Community"
> Riv Ride south in the offing?
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:50:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Gates wrote:
>>
>> Bill and Jock: I am about halfway between you two in Winder!  Perhaps one 
>> day we can all meet up for a ride!  
>
>

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[RBW] Black and Cream Color Scheme

[iamkeith]

Did you see this? 

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QjvqG2Ov9DA

Doesn't get much better.

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[RBW] Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[lum gim fong]

I know but they RBW is Pro MUSA. And since NItto is distributing Rivendell 
designed products (Panaracer does, too.) to other retailers which is under 
cutting Rivendell's business. I thought that those two things would equal 
Rivendell maybe going proprietary MUSA bars since they are very pro MUSA 
anyway. There must be someone in the USA that can make just as high quality a 
bar as Nitto.
Maybe they can patent their bars?

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[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

[Bill Lindsay]

Rule #8 ? 

I admit, I'm not a devout follower of Rule #8

Harlequin 



On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:15:36 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> What color bar tape would you use on a lugged black bike with cream head 
> tube, silver components and tan sidewall shoes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50cm Cheviot build

[Ed Fausto]

Hi, your seatpost height seems to be perfect.  Would you mind telling us
your PBH and seat height?
Very nice build!

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> That's a pretty bike! I've never liked the look of mixtes before, but
> those Cheviots with fat tires are real lookers.
>
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 7:05:21 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Recently purchased this frame from a list member / Bostonian, Leonard,
>> and built it up this past week.
>>
>> Pretty basic Riv setup:
>>
>> 50cm Cheviot
>> Nitto Road bars
>> 80cm Nitto Technomic stem
>> Tektro R559
>> Ultegra 8 speed bar end shifters
>> Sugino triple
>> Shimano Claris fd
>> Shimano altus rd
>> 650b Riv/Velocity wheelset
>> VO Mod 3
>>
>> I will take some better photos this weekend.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Belopsky]

Great colors.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 6:25:24 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> "What's the name of the shop?:
>
> The Wheelhouse; 1375 E. Sixth St, #6, LA 90013
>
> Looks like worth checking out:
>
> http://www.thewheelhouse.bike/pages/our-bicycles
>
> Bikes & coffee.  Interesting story about how they got started.  Couple of 
> familiar chuckles therein.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:38:01 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> APPROVE!!
>>
>> What's the name of the shop?
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's 
>>> been thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
>>> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
>>> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
>>> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
>>> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
>>> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[iamkeith]

I'm not following.  Are some of Riv's handlebar designs showing up under 
different names, available from different retailers?

Seems like there's a long history of that, for many, many products (mks grip 
king -> lambda, for example), but where Riv has made a concious decision to 
accept it when it happens.  I wish there was a way to let consumers know where 
the idea came from though - especially when Riv pays for the R & D.

I can't imagine them ever using someone other than Nitto for handlebars, though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Belopsky]

Yeah, unfortunately might need to take it to ebay / wait for spring.
It's like my Bob Jackson Audax except 'slightly' more tire clearance.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 5:28:37 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> As I've learned buying and selling a few bikes there's definitely less 
> demand for shorter 54cm and below sized bikes (especially on this list). 
> I've always had incredible luck with craigslist, but i have the benefit of 
> being the bay area. Might need to try ebay and suck up the fees to reach a 
> wider audience. The price is great considering what a new new one costs.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> I can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
>> Definitely a dream bike!
>> But maybe it falls into a certain niche that isn't popular on this forum.
>>
>> My speculation:
>>  speculating that a 53  is for a person less than  5'8" tall. That's a 
>> minority group, and Im in it.
>> The other thing I'm speculating is that not many people that size and 
>> shorter are into 700 C around here.
>> i'm thinking the 700 C crowd around here is the tall folks on the Taller 
>> bikes that were made by Rivendell with 700c wheels.
>>
>> so I'm thinking that's why it hasn't gone so quick because you're going 
>> to have to find a person less than 5"8" who like 700 C around this forum, 
>> and who needs a bike.
>>
>> Pure speculation. But the only scenario I can think of as to why a 
>> dreambike like this didn't get snatched up fast!!
>> Hope somebody will buy it soon.
>>
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[RBW] Black and Cream Color Scheme

[Bob K.]

Newbaum's maroon with clear shellac might be cool. The green they have would 
be, too. Or you could always go black.

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[RBW] Black and Cream Color Scheme

[Daniel Jackson]

What color bar tape would you use on a lugged black bike with cream head tube, 
silver components and tan sidewall shoes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Cheviot

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Jeremy,
I previously transfered my GP1 Biokork from my Brompton to my Albatross
equipped Atlantis.  The grips performed well during my TransAm tour
together with my "Thinny Riding Gloves - Goat leather".  The thinny goat
leather gloves grips the GP1 so well that it helped me reduce my grip
pressure on the handlebar.  The other day, when I was riding my wife's
Betty equipped with Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips I experienced my
hand slipping during bumps on the rode.

This made me decide to purchased 2 pairs of Ergon GC1 for my other Riv
bikes.
Ed

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy Tavan  wrote:

> Love the flipped Sparrow bars - has a good old-school feel to it. Have you
> tried the Ergon grips designed for the swept-back bars (GC1 I think)? Not
> sure there's all that different from the standard ones, but I really like
> them on a MAP/Ahearne bar mounted relatively far and low as a compromise vs
> a drop bar configuration.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> I was looking for an all around bike about 9 years ago. Not much out
>> there. Stumbled on Riv. Took a chance and got a Bleriot. The 650B's were
>> calling me. I still love it. This spring I pre-ordered a gray Chevoit and
>> it's now built. I initially had Choco norm bars but they were a bit too
>> upright so I decided to try 52 CM Soma Sparrow bars. I flipped them
>> and added Ergon cork grips. The saddle is presently a bit below the bars.
>> Stem is a Nitto Technomic 60mm. Using Paul Thumbies but may go to the IRD
>> stem shifters to clear the bars a bit. Tires are 650B Panaracer Messenger
>> 42mm. They measure 41mm on Velocity Synergy rims. Not at all bad for a $30
>> tire. Saddle is an older B17 that I sent to SA to have a cut out done.
>> Installed a Nitto R14 on the rear. A Nitto M18, back ordered, and small
>> Wald basket will go on the front.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I like the Sparrow bars and the Ergon grips are very comfortable. The
>> cockpit is upright but not too much so. This is my first non drop bar bike.
>> Why did I wait so long? I need to do a long shakedown ride and will post
>> afterwards.
>>
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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[dougP]

Bill:

"What's the name of the shop?:

The Wheelhouse; 1375 E. Sixth St, #6, LA 90013

Looks like worth checking out:

http://www.thewheelhouse.bike/pages/our-bicycles

Bikes & coffee.  Interesting story about how they got started.  Couple of 
familiar chuckles therein.

dougP

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>
> APPROVE!!
>
> What's the name of the shop?
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's 
>> been thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
>> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
>> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
>> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
>> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
>> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Richard Rios]

Looks like The Wheelhouse in LA. Great shop nice people, I know they posted 
they have a few rivs in stock a couple o days back. I'm planning a trip out 
that way hopefully someone will enabale me

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Re: [RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hey Ken,

Yeah the Albatross to Noodle transfer on the Saluki took about 2 months of
adjusting, riding, adjusting, riding... really struggled with getting the
brakes to feel strong enough with the drop levers but I finally got it
dialed in (and added cross levers). Didn't help that during part of that
time I was getting an extended test ride on Jeff L's Surly Troll w/
hydraulic disk brakes which definitely messed with my expectations on
proper stopping power.  But I'm happy with the way the Saluki is set up now
and finally wrapped up the bars a couple weeks ago.

The Bombadil doesn't get loaded up as much, since mid-spring time or so
it's mostly been setup for singletrack riding.  But it would certainly take
the racks and load just as well as the Saluki.  It has been Nitto dirt
drops all year but given the Saluki upright to drops conversion I decided
to try out the Jones H Loop bars on the Bomba... just hooked it up last
night actually and need to do some fine tuning before I report back on that
one.  Should be fun.

The fact that these  bikes can be made to be anything is a blessing and a
curse for someone like me who is constantly tinkering with the bikes.  On
the good side they can be made to do just about ANYTHING pretty darn well,
on the bad side I'm always left wondering 'what if I changed xyz...'  :)
 Good problems to have.

Tony


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:59 PM KenP  wrote:

> Thanks for posting the picture.  Last picture I saw it had upright bars.
> You changed to the drop bars; it looks great.  How does your Knobby
> Alger-ego Hunq compare?  Load that up even more, or, is that one saved for
> the wilderness?
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I feel like there was a thread for this a while back but maybe I'm
> thinking of a pickup truck related forum so what did you haul today?!?
>
> My Saluki made easy work of a short ride w/ 15lbs of dog food, a dozen
> eggs up front and 4 1 liter diet cokes in the sackville (best rear bag
> ever!).
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[dougP]

Les:

"I need help."  "I feel so bad".  

Surely you jest!  Some of the nicest people I know are Rivendell 
enablers, and I try to do my part whenever possible.  Please continue your 
enabling efforts.

"Friends enable friends to ride Rivendells".  Could be a catchy T-shirt 
slogan there.  

dougP

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
>
> 
> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
> thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[adam leibow]

I love the black!! i saw somebody here in SF on a black one, it looked 
amazing. 

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
> thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>

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[RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

[KenP]

Thanks for posting the picture.  Last picture I saw it had upright bars. 
 You changed to the drop bars; it looks great.  How does your Knobby 
Alger-ego Hunq compare?  Load that up even more, or, is that one saved for 
the wilderness?


On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I feel like there was a thread for this a while back but maybe I'm 
> thinking of a pickup truck related forum so what did you haul today?!?
>
> My Saluki made easy work of a short ride w/ 15lbs of dog food, a dozen 
> eggs up front and 4 1 liter diet cokes in the sackville (best rear bag 
> ever!).
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE!!

What's the name of the shop?

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
>
> 
> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
> thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>

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[RBW] I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Les Lammers]

A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[David Stein]

As I've learned buying and selling a few bikes there's definitely less
demand for shorter 54cm and below sized bikes (especially on this list).
I've always had incredible luck with craigslist, but i have the benefit of
being the bay area. Might need to try ebay and suck up the fees to reach a
wider audience. The price is great considering what a new new one costs.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> I can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
> Definitely a dream bike!
> But maybe it falls into a certain niche that isn't popular on this forum.
>
> My speculation:
>  speculating that a 53  is for a person less than  5'8" tall. That's a
> minority group, and Im in it.
> The other thing I'm speculating is that not many people that size and
> shorter are into 700 C around here.
> i'm thinking the 700 C crowd around here is the tall folks on the Taller
> bikes that were made by Rivendell with 700c wheels.
>
> so I'm thinking that's why it hasn't gone so quick because you're going to
> have to find a person less than 5"8" who like 700 C around this forum, and
> who needs a bike.
>
> Pure speculation. But the only scenario I can think of as to why a
> dreambike like this didn't get snatched up fast!!
> Hope somebody will buy it soon.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[lum gim fong]

I can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
Definitely a dream bike!
But maybe it falls into a certain niche that isn't popular on this forum.

My speculation:
 speculating that a 53  is for a person less than  5'8" tall. That's a minority 
group, and Im in it.
The other thing I'm speculating is that not many people that size and shorter 
are into 700 C around here.
i'm thinking the 700 C crowd around here is the tall folks on the Taller bikes 
that were made by Rivendell with 700c wheels.

so I'm thinking that's why it hasn't gone so quick because you're going to have 
to find a person less than 5"8" who like 700 C around this forum, and who needs 
a bike.

Pure speculation. But the only scenario I can think of as to why a dreambike 
like this didn't get snatched up fast!!
Hope somebody will buy it soon.


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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Les Lammers]

Dear Deacon,

U B crazy. :-) Me? I'm I SW Florida near the Everglades. Under 70 degrees 
I'm in sweats. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 7:19:05 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
> were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

Still for sale.  FWIW, I paid Riv $2700 plus shipping last spring and then 
added a brand new Nitro Crystal Fellow post and Brooks Cambium saddle.  I 
haven't put 20 miles on this bike. Make me an offer!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

I will post a couple photos.  I got a good start last night, but then I hit 
a bit of a speedbump when I discovered that the stem I bought on this list 
was not 26.0mm as advertised, but is actually 25.4.  That prevented me from 
getting anything on the cockpit set up.  

I also can't find the little Nitto cable stop that Brian gave me.  

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:30:03 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> In fact, post some photos even if it is not completely built up!
>
> Curious in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad 
>> boy built up 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Edwin W]

In fact, post some photos even if it is not completely built up!

Curious in Nashville,

Edwin

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> Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad 
> boy built up 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad boy 
built up 

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[RBW] Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[lum gim fong]

Maybe it is time for proprietary MUSA bars to avoid Amazon, et. al. 
undercutting sales?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

I once meant to create a dickey out of something like Tyvek, but ended up
with a couple cut from old merino turtlenecks; very useful for those in
between days, where a merino base layer plus an outer wool layer is not
quite enough. I find I need neck protection in cold weather, otherwise I
quickly get a sore throat and thence a cold, and those dickeys, or a
cut-down Royal Stuart scarf, are very nice. One benefit from these is that
they are very easily removed when the temps climb, as they do rapidly and
widely here in the high desert -- it's not unusual to start the morning in
the 20s and top out in the 60s.

But for wind blocking, I found a very lightweight L Garneau vest, about 30%
mesh, at half price at a LBS a couple of years ago, and this, with its high
collar, is also a very nice supplement to a wool base layer on warmer but
not quite warm enough days; it also has the statutory rear pockets, the
absence of which makes life so miserable.

Today, leaving the house, 45*F, and partly cloudy (believe me, at 5K feet,
the radiation of even the winter sun makes a huge difference), a merino ls
jersey under a light ls Road Holland merino + plastic jersey with full zip
that I use as a very light jacket, and with high zip neck, was just right.
Getting home, 50*f and the combo was just getting  a wee bit warm after I
was fully warmed up.

Back when I did serious commuting mileage, often leaving the house at 20*F
or so, I found that 3 layers of wool, or perhaps 2 with a gilet, kept me
warm but also kept me free of sweat. OTOH, before I wised up, I'd ride ~13
miles into work in just 2 layers, a thickish Kucharik ls jersey under a
Cannondale nylon riding jacket, and arrive soaked in sweat. Aggressive (if
not necessarily fast) riding. But layers of wool, including the base layer
-- not at all.

One project now on my long list of projects to procrastinate about, is to
get an inexpensive mesh undershirt and see what it does.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

>
>
> In that spirit, my friend uses a square of mylar metallic fabric (as seen
> in shiny novelty balloons and survival blankets) in between his layers to
> shield his chest.
>
>
> I wear a wind-blocking vest over lots of wool layers when riding in the
> cold.  And I carry a survival blanket and hand warmers in my bag in case I
> have a flat or mechanical problem while out in the cold.
>
> My current favorite base layer is some aramid long johns I got when I flew
> in the Air Force in South Dakota.  They offer are warm and wick sweat
> well.  If I wear merino next to my skin, it holds too much sweat and chills
> my core.  This is for sometimes-aggressive riding on a fat bike in temps
> down to about 10 F.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[David Person]

My wife and I each own one.  2013 H6Ls with Nitto rear racks recently 
added, which would technically make them H6Rs.  Been thinking of adding the 
e-assist kit from Grin Technologies, just haven't gone there yet. 
 Converted a couple of Alfine equipped city bikes with front hub e-bike 
kits and we love them.

David 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Tim Gavin]

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> You know the old roadie trick: stuff a used Gazzetto della Sport under
> your jersey for the descent.
>
> Patrick Moore,
>


In that spirit, my friend uses a square of mylar metallic fabric (as seen
in shiny novelty balloons and survival blankets) in between his layers to
shield his chest.


I wear a wind-blocking vest over lots of wool layers when riding in the
cold.  And I carry a survival blanket and hand warmers in my bag in case I
have a flat or mechanical problem while out in the cold.

My current favorite base layer is some aramid long johns I got when I flew
in the Air Force in South Dakota.  They offer are warm and wick sweat
well.  If I wear merino next to my skin, it holds too much sweat and chills
my core.  This is for sometimes-aggressive riding on a fat bike in temps
down to about 10 F.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

That was a leading double-dash bullet ahead of each bullet item, so not 
-25˚F, but -- 25˚F. Sorry for the confusion.

Newspaper? Do they still print those? Grin. Unless you meant to stuff my 
iPhone in my jersey? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I just read that the Inuit would forego base layers in all but the most 
> horrendously cold weather, because it tended otherwise to trap moisture. Of 
> course, their outer garments were in respect of heat management, 
> unsurpassed.
>
> Patrick: you said: 0F: mesh, cotton flannel, Ventile jacket climbing = 
> perfect. Then you said: -25F: mesh, cotton flannel, windy, *no jacket*
>  climbing
>
> You know the old roadie trick: stuff a used Gazzetto della Sport under 
> your jersey for the descent. 
>
> Patrick Moore, whose rides haven't dropped below 28*F this season, and 
> that very briefly, so what do I know?
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Learning curve of fishnet long johns follow-up:
>>
>> -- Wiggy's nylon is stunningly effective and unfortunately rough. Mojo's 
>> Brynje merino version will soon be swimming the Atlantic and riding the 
>> burro my way. I asked Rhodri at http://www.nordiclife.co.uk about their 
>> synthetic fabric and he said it would 1) last a bit longer and 2) stink up 
>> within a day or two. Merino it is! Grin.
>>
>> I continue to test in in these variable conditions we are having, from 
>> warm (43˚F today) to cold (-2˚F is as low as I've gone so far this year). 
>> Here's what I've learned so far with the Wiggy's nylon fishnet top:
>>
>> -- 0˚F: fishnet, cotton flannel, Ventile Cotton Analogy jacket was 
>> perfect climbing the pass, and chilly descending the pass. Ideally I need 
>> to put on another insulative layer before going down hill. But that is 
>> stunningly little to wear at 0˚F vs. close knit base layer.
>> -- 25˚F, 10-20 mph wind up the pass: same as above, less the jacket 
>> climbing. Donning the jacket before heading down was perfect. Easy to 
>> underestimate the extremity layers needed, as I took too light a hat and 
>> gloves for the windchilled descent (5˚F with windchill).
>>
>> There seems a different skill/knowledge set for wearing these, as 
>> ventilation is the key to temp regulation and moisture management. I'm 
>> still trying to figure that all out. The idea is the be slightly cool when 
>> working via ventilating, then zip up/add insulation/windblocking when not 
>> working and/or facing increased winds.
>>
>> So far, loving the new system and am staying warmer more easily despite 
>> my bumbling learning curve! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:19:05 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
>>> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>>>
>>> I just did this test of the top:
>>>
>>> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
>>> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
>>> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
>>> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>>>
>>> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
>>> were chilly on the descent. 
>>>
>>> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

I just read that the Inuit would forego base layers in all but the most
horrendously cold weather, because it tended otherwise to trap moisture. Of
course, their outer garments were in respect of heat management,
unsurpassed.

Patrick: you said: 0F: mesh, cotton flannel, Ventile jacket climbing =
perfect. Then you said: -25F: mesh, cotton flannel, windy, *no jacket*
 climbing

You know the old roadie trick: stuff a used Gazzetto della Sport under your
jersey for the descent.

Patrick Moore, whose rides haven't dropped below 28*F this season, and that
very briefly, so what do I know?

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Learning curve of fishnet long johns follow-up:
>
> -- Wiggy's nylon is stunningly effective and unfortunately rough. Mojo's
> Brynje merino version will soon be swimming the Atlantic and riding the
> burro my way. I asked Rhodri at http://www.nordiclife.co.uk about their
> synthetic fabric and he said it would 1) last a bit longer and 2) stink up
> within a day or two. Merino it is! Grin.
>
> I continue to test in in these variable conditions we are having, from
> warm (43˚F today) to cold (-2˚F is as low as I've gone so far this year).
> Here's what I've learned so far with the Wiggy's nylon fishnet top:
>
> -- 0˚F: fishnet, cotton flannel, Ventile Cotton Analogy jacket was perfect
> climbing the pass, and chilly descending the pass. Ideally I need to put on
> another insulative layer before going down hill. But that is stunningly
> little to wear at 0˚F vs. close knit base layer.
> -- 25˚F, 10-20 mph wind up the pass: same as above, less the jacket
> climbing. Donning the jacket before heading down was perfect. Easy to
> underestimate the extremity layers needed, as I took too light a hat and
> gloves for the windchilled descent (5˚F with windchill).
>
> There seems a different skill/knowledge set for wearing these, as
> ventilation is the key to temp regulation and moisture management. I'm
> still trying to figure that all out. The idea is the be slightly cool when
> working via ventilating, then zip up/add insulation/windblocking when not
> working and/or facing increased winds.
>
> So far, loving the new system and am staying warmer more easily despite my
> bumbling learning curve! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:19:05 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
>> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>>
>> I just did this test of the top:
>>
>> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung
>> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F,
>> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any
>> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>>
>> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves
>> were chilly on the descent.
>>
>> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: PSA Inexpensive Cheviut

[Joe Bernard]

Well, somebody got a nice Cheviut for a great price. Too bad it wasn't my size 
'cause I love those green ones. Now I just have to talk myself out of the 
custom blue mixte at RBW. It's sweet! 

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Re: [RBW] FS- Jeff Lyon custom lugged road/randonneuring 58cm - $1400

[Ruby Adams]

Hi, Yes Jeff Lyons made it for this bike.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Adam Kilgas 
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> I'm curious about that rack... Is it a custom?  It looks like a similar
> idea to the Velo Orange I tegrated decaleur racks, but a bit more elegant.
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[RBW] FS- Jeff Lyon custom lugged road/randonneuring 58cm - $1400

[Adam Kilgas]

I'm curious about that rack... Is it a custom?  It looks like a similar idea to 
the Velo Orange I tegrated decaleur racks, but a bit more elegant.

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[RBW] Re: PSA Inexpensive Cheviut

[Dave]

My take is when there's a serious deal to be had, the first person there with 
cash takes it. Frustrating to not have a clearly communicating seller for sure. 

Still can't believe the deal I got on my 55 cheviut. $700 complete...and 100% 
not stolen

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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

Learning curve of fishnet long johns follow-up:

-- Wiggy's nylon is stunningly effective and unfortunately rough. Mojo's 
Brynje merino version will soon be swimming the Atlantic and riding the 
burro my way. I asked Rhodri at http://www.nordiclife.co.uk about their 
synthetic fabric and he said it would 1) last a bit longer and 2) stink up 
within a day or two. Merino it is! Grin.

I continue to test in in these variable conditions we are having, from warm 
(43˚F today) to cold (-2˚F is as low as I've gone so far this year). Here's 
what I've learned so far with the Wiggy's nylon fishnet top:

-- 0˚F: fishnet, cotton flannel, Ventile Cotton Analogy jacket was perfect 
climbing the pass, and chilly descending the pass. Ideally I need to put on 
another insulative layer before going down hill. But that is stunningly 
little to wear at 0˚F vs. close knit base layer.
-- 25˚F, 10-20 mph wind up the pass: same as above, less the jacket 
climbing. Donning the jacket before heading down was perfect. Easy to 
underestimate the extremity layers needed, as I took too light a hat and 
gloves for the windchilled descent (5˚F with windchill).

There seems a different skill/knowledge set for wearing these, as 
ventilation is the key to temp regulation and moisture management. I'm 
still trying to figure that all out. The idea is the be slightly cool when 
working via ventilating, then zip up/add insulation/windblocking when not 
working and/or facing increased winds.

So far, loving the new system and am staying warmer more easily despite my 
bumbling learning curve! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:19:05 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
> were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Inexpensive Cheviut

[Richard Rios]

Yeah selling on CL is no fun at all. Between the scammers, the low ballers, the 
information seekers with no intention to buy, and flakes it really does get a 
bit frustrating! So sadly I go all Bird in hand when selling. Doesn't feel so 
nice but darn... My experience selling a Rivemdell has always seemed worse VERY 
low baller and info seeker heavy!

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot

[Jeremy Tavan]

Love the flipped Sparrow bars - has a good old-school feel to it. Have you 
tried the Ergon grips designed for the swept-back bars (GC1 I think)? Not 
sure there's all that different from the standard ones, but I really like 
them on a MAP/Ahearne bar mounted relatively far and low as a compromise vs 
a drop bar configuration. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
>
> 
> I was looking for an all around bike about 9 years ago. Not much out 
> there. Stumbled on Riv. Took a chance and got a Bleriot. The 650B's were 
> calling me. I still love it. This spring I pre-ordered a gray Chevoit and 
> it's now built. I initially had Choco norm bars but they were a bit too 
> upright so I decided to try 52 CM Soma Sparrow bars. I flipped them 
> and added Ergon cork grips. The saddle is presently a bit below the bars. 
> Stem is a Nitto Technomic 60mm. Using Paul Thumbies but may go to the IRD 
> stem shifters to clear the bars a bit. Tires are 650B Panaracer Messenger 
> 42mm. They measure 41mm on Velocity Synergy rims. Not at all bad for a $30 
> tire. Saddle is an older B17 that I sent to SA to have a cut out done. 
> Installed a Nitto R14 on the rear. A Nitto M18, back ordered, and small 
> Wald basket will go on the front. 
>
>
> 
> I like the Sparrow bars and the Ergon grips are very comfortable. The 
> cockpit is upright but not too much so. This is my first non drop bar bike. 
> Why did I wait so long? I need to do a long shakedown ride and will post 
> afterwards.
>

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[RBW] New Cheviot

[RichS]

Les, congratulations! Looking forward to hearing about the ride qualities. If I 
could test ride just one Riv it would be the Cheviot.

Best,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

[Tony DeFilippo]

The guys!  The rear dyno actually goes internal via the down tube, through
the bottom bracket and out the base of the seat tube. Then it goes inside
the fender to the light. Both holes I drilled prior to getting frame re
coated and both are through 'lug windows'...  I thought about whether to do
it for a couple of months but I'm glad I did, never liked the exterior
routing on other bikes and full dyno lighting is so pleasant.

The bike lock around the Sackville mounting bracket worked really well and
was a first for me on this ride. Usually it lives at work on the rack or
inside the rear bag but it got bumped by the groceries.

Funny you ask about riding in or not today and tomorrow as I was just
mulling it over now... I'm going to drive today at least.  I'm getting over
a cold that had me home from work yesterday and while I feel better I'm
going to pass at least for today.

Tony

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 02:32 lum gim fong  wrote:

> ...and a bike lock!! Nice work, Tony!!
> Say, how did you run the wiring to your rear dynolight?
>
> I usually run small Berthoud front bag loads. I plant bike locks at my
> favorite places so I don't have to carry the locks on the bike.
>
> Are you riding to work in the frigid weather Thursday and Friday?
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[RBW] Re: handlebar material

[Les Lammers]

The Nitto heat treated aluminum is stronger and more expensive than Cr Mo.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:14:34 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
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> Yeah but on a few they've said that if you intend to go off-road and throw 
> your weight around, get the aluminum. Aluminum albas used to be specified 
> as stronger on the site (haven't checked recently). I was always a little 
> confused by this, especially considering riv's stance on steel.
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[RBW] Re: PSA Inexpensive Cheviut

[drew]

My experience selling is alllmost bad enough to forgive the seller. I've sold 2 
Things on cl and had at least 10 people make appointments and not show. I can 
understand unloading it while you know you can. but yeah, it is a huge let 
down when you know you'd take it.

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[RBW] Re: handlebar material

[drew]

Yeah but on a few they've said that if you intend to go off-road and throw your 
weight around, get the aluminum. Aluminum albas used to be specified as 
stronger on the site (haven't checked recently). I was always a little confused 
by this, especially considering riv's stance on steel.

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