[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

Thank you Garth.   Railriders and Outdoor Research pants do look beginner 
friendly, price-wise.


On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13:40 UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> For pants, try Railriders if you want a roomy cut nylon pant of various 
> fabric weights.  For less roomy try Outdoor Research, though many of theirs 
> have a stretch nylon fabric . .   
>
> For your feet, try plastic in your shoes. Not the whole foot, only the 
> upper inside the shoe, not the bottom, to keep your foot from slipping 
> inside.  Just cut and shape plastic bags as you like. No need to get new 
> shoes for mild cold like that.  
>
> No matter what you like to wear for jackets, try a super lightweight nylon 
> running/cycling type of vest over your shirts, but under your favorite 
> jackets.  Look for a vest that is very light and can squish in your hand 
> and stuff in a pocket.  I have some Mountain Hardwear ones for example. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

@Belopsky- which Patagonia items do you find useful specifically for riding?



On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:27:31 UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> More and more I am liking my Patagonia clothing for all-around wear.
>
> Pricey? Yes. Made in USA? No, but I find their garments are worth it in 
> long term - they will repair or replace if anything goes wrong. Their 
> support is bar-none, IMO.
>
> For merino, I like Ibex, but Wool blend seems to be better. I go 
> through about 1 Ibex shirt a year, but I continue wearing them as 
> baselayers, they are just no longer allowed in public if the fiance is 
> present..
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

@drew-

66 North collection looks very good.  Pricey, but but they seem like real 
deal.  Thanks



On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:17:51 UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> i use these 66 north pants 
>  with some 
> wool blend long johns and am usually happy. they are kinda slim, but they 
> have stretch and a gusset. i havent tested this in any extremely wet 
> scenarios though. up top, i use a normal looking showers pass jacket with a 
> heavy shirt or sweater, or a patagonia nano puff hoody. i like to think 
> that i look like a normal person wearing this stuff. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

Philip, 

What temperature ranges do you use it for?  Did you have to wear a base 
layer under these pants in winter?

Thanks,

-Ash

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:48:04 UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Makers and Riders 3 season commute pants.

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

Thanks so much everyone for the suggestions!  

I see pretty interesting options here for not only my mild winter, but also 
real winter/wet conditions.  Interestingly none of these products showed up 
during my extensive googling.  Pointers I got here are very helpful.



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks for all the comments. Of course, the bike doesn't arrive until I've 
gone back to work on Tuesday after being off for 9 days and then have to 
fly out to Southern California for work!  Really looking forward to biking 
this Sunday when I get back. 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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[RBW] Re: Best of 2016

[Daniel Betancourt]

Neat pic with the 3 kids and you on the bike!

Dan

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 8:02:51 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Looking through my pictures I didn't have too many of this year!
> Here are a few. A few fun rides with sons 
> and friends, though most of my miles are going from A to B alone, and quite 
> unremarkable!
>
> On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 7:40:53 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> It feels like the time of year to post your "best of 2016" - are ya with 
>> me??  OK - I'll start it off with the obligatory blog post (dwindling these 
>> days):  https://stonehog.com/2016/12/31/2016-redux 
>>
>> And Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskRBkZQ9
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> Bike Blog 
>> @stonehog
>> stonehogboɥǝuoʇs
>>
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[RBW] Olive green metallic Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

As you can see, there's been a bunch of flat and metallic olives from Riv over 
the years. I love them all, so I would just tell Grant, "Pick one!"

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[RBW] Olive green metallic Rivendell

[iamkeith]

One more

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc481-rickgalezowski0508.html

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[RBW] Olive green metallic Rivendell

[iamkeith]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc355-chrismcpherson0807.html

Different type of olive.  Perhaps this is what you mean?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Evan E.]

Daniel,

Beautiful! Congratulations.

Evan


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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

GREAT to hear the reg is working out!!! It's just a touch tricky.

No, no course yet. Won't be one finalized for a while still.

We did just confirm catering from these good people:
http://qworksbbq.com/menu.htm
There will be a veg option as well.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:

> David:
>
> Do you have links to the course maps?  Any changes from last year?
>
> doug
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[Doug Peterson]

David:

Do you have links to the course maps?  Any changes from last year?

doug

On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
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> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Olive green metallic Rivendell

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is that the same green as the current Hunqapillar?  




On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 9:58:52 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc336-bruce0607.html

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[RBW] Olive green metallic Rivendell

[iamkeith]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc336-bruce0607.html

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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[Doug Peterson]

Just renewed membership & signed up for the 50 km distance.  I think that's 
the one Jim & I did last year & we short cut that.  I'll have to ponder 
bike choice.  Hugh, hope you get well by then.  

doug

On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[RichS]

The Ibex arm warmers that Riv sells are a worthwhile investment. Wore mine 
today in 40 degree temps. The more you ride in cold weather the better 
handle you'll have on what to wear for given conditions.

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:42:19 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[John Hawrylak]

Kolby

Is your "light tubed rando bike" low trail??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:13:41 PM UTC-5, Kolby wrote:

> Hey Kieran, FWIW I used my old Ram for lighter touring and it did great, 
> including with a front load (I had a nitto campee with low riders) of 
> reasonable weight.
>
> I'm no gram weenie, but with today's gear technologies I see no reason to 
> carry more than 20 pounds for all the basics of shelter, clothing, food, 
> tools, etc., and that's easily cut in half by using ultralight backpacking 
> principles. It's remarkable how light of a load you can carry without 
> sacrificing any comfort. Today I use a light tubed rando bike with a 
> handlebar bag and low riders for bike camping, while my actual "touring" 
> bike is now my around town mule.
>
> -Kolby
>

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[RBW] FS for shipping: Headset mount bell

[Joe Bernard]

That was fast. SOLD!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam S24O in the Santa Cruz Mountains

[Daniel Betancourt]

Love the pics and video! That looked like a lot of fun.

Thanks for sharing.
Dan

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 11:55:55 PM UTC-8, Patch T wrote:
>
> Thought I'd share a few photos , and some 
> videos, of camping out in the Santa Cruz (CA) Mountains on a Quickbeam a 
> few weeks ago.
>
> The route was originally to incorporate more dirt than it did in the end; 
> but there had just passed some rain and I didn't feel great about my rig on 
> non-maintained and technically private dirt (mud) roads. Which is fine. 
> Still a blast. About 55mi total and about 6500 ft of climbing. Sugino 40/32 
> and a WI 16/18 (which I need to switch out for a 16/19 because in the 32/18 
> the axle nuts just hang off the end of the drop-out, and while I've 
> experience nigh-zero slippage, it still doesn't sit well with me), most of 
> the ride was in the 32/18.
>
> I drove up from LA to SC, stocked up, and started up HWY 1 at the bottom 
> of Gazos Creek Road and took it up to Big Basin, with a few meandering 
> trails in-between. Much of Gazos is gravel and dirt, and steep, and wet and 
> muddy and a whole lot of frustration and fun. Hiked a little, biked a 
> little, drank a little wine. The Redwood canopy kept everything damp and 
> wet all the way up the hill. Once out of the river valley slog, trees 
> spread out slightly and things warmed up for a little until I dove back 
> into wet and dark. The road is beautiful. There's a boy scout treehouse 
> along the way. 
>
> I was virtually alone at Jay Camp, and got the best hike-bike sight under 
> a cluster of redwoods. Did a night hike to the waterfall (small) nearby, 
> warmed up on mezcal and two layers of wool leggings, two wool socks, three 
> thin wool baselayers, a down vest and a synthetic down pullover, neck 
> garter and gloves, all wrapped up in a 20 deg (supposedly) bag with a 
> ThermaRest inside. Much frost in the morning but I was snug all night. I've 
> been in LA the past year and have already gotten soft!
>
> I love S24Os because it's not totally ridiculous to pack a burrito, which 
> I lunched on the next day after climbing up the 236 to the 9 and across 
> Skyline Boulevard to Horseshoe Lake, quaint, perfect, in the Skyline Open 
> Space. The 236 is a really perfect winding climb and descent through the 
> forests, along a ridge and back down. This time of year there was little 
> traffic, and the views were epic. 9 and Skyline were a little less 
> enjoyable; not a whole lot of shoulder and frequent fast-travelling cars. 
> Still hard to complain though, really. 
>
> The winding descent down Alpine is a beautiful pastoral, through rolling 
> grass hills past cattle, down into forest and back up out and down again 
> through Loma Mar to Pescadero.
>
> Decided to stay an extra night in Butano State Park (closed for the 
> season, technically) before a mile or so back to the ice-encrusted car the 
> next morning for a sunrise drive up HWY 1 to San Francisco and Oakland to 
> for a holiday visit with friends, shiverin and grinnin and stinkin like all 
> hell.
>
> Love,
> Patch
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[RBW] WTB Mark's bars

[Rutter]

I'm looking for a set of Nitto "Mark's bars" for my Rambouillet. I'd prefer 
44cm width, but 42 or 46 could work also. Let me know if you have a set for 
sale!

Thanks,
Bob Rutter

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Daniel Betancourt]

Congrats! I love that color combination!

Dan

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> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

I'm not sure what a "174" is. I have the Nitto Choco handlebars.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> How did you like the 174 over the noodle? Is it really like a mini noodle?

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[RBW] FS for shipping: Headset mount bell

[Joe Bernard]

I just bought this from Riv and it isn't going to fit in the space available on 
my Appaloosa. Anybody want a shiny new bell for shipping cost?

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories/products/hammer-headset-spacer-bell-brass

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[RBW] Olive green metallic Rivendell

[Call Me Jay]

Does anyone have one? If yes, can I see a photo or two?  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

*SOLD:*

(2) Nitto MOD 174 bar

(3) Moustache bar

(7) random NL bar

(8) NItto HiRiser stem

(9) Technomic stem

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[RBW] Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Philip Kim]

Makers and Riders 3 season commute pants.

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is going to be a beautiful bike!!  

Are those wheels 650B?



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>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

How did you like the 174 over the noodle? Is it really like a mini noodle?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Eric Daume]

+1 for Foxwear. Being tall and skinny, it's hard to find pants that fit.
Several years back, I spent about $200 with him for a  jacket, pants, and
hat. I'm still using all of that regularly now (well, I think I lost the
hat).

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> www.Foxwear.net
>
> Custom clothes at regular price.
> You talk to the owner when you call.
> Jon
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

David, it's a kit that NYCE Wheels was selling..the original owner bought the 
whole bike assembled from them. You can still find it listed on their site, but 
it's been out of stock for a long time. Apparently New York state clamped down 
on ebikes, so the in-town market for the kit dried up. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Yes, I ended up taking that cover off the derailleur. It was just a cover 
to protect it while in transit.

Dan

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Lookin good...I like the black and cream. Sodo you leave that cover 
> over the derailleur on? Or is that just more evidence of careful packing?
>
> Hoping you enjoy your new bike...let us all know how you like it and 
> pictures, please !
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:20:51 AM UTC-6, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>>
>>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

 To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
 understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
 Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
 My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I 
 was 
 pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
 leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will 
 continue 
 to do so until I've got it dialed in. 

 Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.

 Dan 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

*SOLD:*

(2) Nitto MOD 174 bar

(3) Moustache bar

(7) random NL bar

(9) Technomic stem

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[RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[David Person]

I run a 44-28 on my Hillborne with an 11-32 in the rear and like the 
combination very much.  

I found this article from Jan Heine very helpful, particularly his advice 
on selecting the Base, High and Low gears.

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/how-to-choose-your-chainrings/

David

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 6:27:35 AM UTC-8, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> It looks like 46-30 cranks are a favorable of RBW owners (I've reviewed 
> the group archive).  I'm interested in getting the insight of folks that 
> are using them in moderately hilly terrain on an unloaded road bike.  I 
> live in northern Connecticut and occasionally
> do mixed surface rides but bike isn't a "gravel bike"---second hand short 
> reach custom road with 11-30 cassette and 700x30 tires.  Is it worth a swap 
> from a 50-34?  Should I just toughen up and join Zwift? While most of my 
> road riding is solo or with my young kids, will I be under geared on casual 
> club rides?  Will the less aggressive gearing be too much overlap with 
> other bikes in my Riv stash---Homer with a triple; Legolas on order that 
> I'm planning on specing with a 46-28 as a pure dirt road/CX bike?
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[RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[David Person]

Joe, did you put together the e-kit yourself from individual components or 
was it an off the shelf kit that you installed yourself?

David

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:42:19 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 7:01:09 AM UTC-8, Jim S. wrote: 
> > Of interest, way back in Rivendell Reader 21, there's a really detailed 
> review of the Brompton in a section called "Neat Things We Don't Sell." 
> There's no byline. I'm guessing that the article is by Grant. Then later in 
> that edition, there's an advertisement for ponchos showing the rider on a 
> Brompton.  
>
> Huh. I know I've read that issue several times, and I have no memory of 
> Grant writing about/owning a Brompton. I must have thought it was a funny 
> little folder at the time! Which was silly 'cause now that I have one, I 
> realize I should have done this years ago; it's the best non-Riv I've ever 
> owned. 
>
> Pictured below with e-kit, which got me home fast when it started raining 
> Monday.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/04/2017 02:21 PM, Greg J wrote:


Tubing stoutness is all relative--  Despite Grant's warning that this 
isn't a full-on tourer (compared to the Atlantis or Hunq), the Ramb 
still has a plenty stout frame (compared to the thin walls that are 
fashionable these days). 


The Rambouillet's frame is easily as stout as the best loaded tourers of 
the 1970s, bikes like the Jack Taylor Tourist made with 10/7/10 std 531.



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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

['Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We used these pants and shorts for bike patrol.  Very good quality.  I have 
some pairs that are over 10 years old.  If you can find your size in the 
clearance section there are some pretty good prices.  http://olyuniforms.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[p g]

Nice color choice! Congrats and enjoy!

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> Congratulations on that lovely bike!  Calls for some more photos once you
> have it built up.  I really like your color choice too - one of my
> favorites.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in
>> sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours
>>
>> And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you ,
>>  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike
>> and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some
>> help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks...Grant persuaded me
>> to try his Choco bars and Mark recommended WI hubs because I thought the
>> Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like picking
>> parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King headset,
>> Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, Nitto for
>> bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice bikes but
>> no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage but wouldn't
>> feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff locked up in
>> the garage.
>>
>>
>> Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan.
>>> Tailwinds, shoji
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in
 progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped

 Hopefully you can view these.

 Happy new year , everyone !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congratulations on that lovely bike!  Calls for some more photos once you 
have it built up.  I really like your color choice too - one of my 
favorites.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
> sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours
>
> And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
>  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
> and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
> help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks...Grant persuaded me 
> to try his Choco bars and Mark recommended WI hubs because I thought the 
> Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like picking 
> parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King headset, 
> Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, Nitto for 
> bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice bikes but 
> no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage but wouldn't 
> feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff locked up in 
> the garage.
>
>
> Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
>> Tailwinds, shoji
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>>
>>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped 
>>>
>>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>>
>>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Belopsky]

Where are the prices?

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:25:40 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
>
> www.Foxwear.net
>
> Custom clothes at regular price.
> You talk to the owner when you call.
> Jon
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours

And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
 Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks...Grant persuaded me 
to try his Choco bars and Mark recommended WI hubs because I thought the 
Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like picking 
parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King headset, 
Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, Nitto for 
bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice bikes but 
no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage but wouldn't 
feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff locked up in 
the garage.


Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  > wrote:
>
> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
> Tailwinds, shoji
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped 
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[drew]

i use these 66 north pants 
 with some 
wool blend long johns and am usually happy. they are kinda slim, but they 
have stretch and a gusset. i havent tested this in any extremely wet 
scenarios though. up top, i use a normal looking showers pass jacket with a 
heavy shirt or sweater, or a patagonia nano puff hoody. i like to think 
that i look like a normal person wearing this stuff. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
> wrote:

wow! Happy New Year, Ryan.
Tailwinds, shoji



On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in progress. 
Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped

Hopefully you can view these.

Happy new year , everyone !

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[RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[KTY]

Hey Kieran, FWIW I used my old Ram for lighter touring and it did great, 
including with a front load (I had a nitto campee with low riders) of 
reasonable weight.

I'm no gram weenie, but with today's gear technologies I see no reason to 
carry more than 20 pounds for all the basics of shelter, clothing, food, 
tools, etc., and that's easily cut in half by using ultralight backpacking 
principles. It's remarkable how light of a load you can carry without 
sacrificing any comfort. Today I use a light tubed rando bike with a 
handlebar bag and low riders for bike camping, while my actual "touring" 
bike is now my around town mule.

-Kolby

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[KTY]

Hey Kieran, FWIW I used my old Ram for lighter touring and it did great, 
including with a front load (I had a nitto campee with low riders) of 
reasonable weight.

I'm no gram weenie, but with today's gear technologies I see no reason to 
carry more than 20 pounds for all the basics of shelter, clothing, food, 
tools, etc., and that's easily cut in half by using ultralight backpacking 
principles. It's remarkable how light of a load you can carry without 
sacrificing any comfort. Today I use a light tubed rando bike with a 
handlebar bag and low riders for bike camping, while my actual "touring" 
bike is now my around town mule.

-Kolby


On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 11:32:37 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Nice!!
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 11:04:28 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Tubus makes superior alternatives to P clamps for fork mountings (these 
>> work for other purposes besides mounting lowriders, btw). 
>>
>> Photo from thetouringstore.com
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1] 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[scott]

types take notice. 

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:59:15 PM UTC-6, scott wrote:
>
> The front is an old Campy Record. This is my wife's bike and she likes to 
> brag about the hub when bikey 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:52:12 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> What kind of hubs are those?
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[scott]

The front is an old Campy Record. This is my wife's bike and she likes to 
brag about the hub when bikey 

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:52:12 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> What kind of hubs are those?

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[lum gim fong]

What kind of hubs are those?

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[RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[Greg J]

Many many years ago, my wife rode her Rambouillet down the CA coast with a 
front rack.  It probably was a Bruce Gordon front rack with P-clamps.  We 
weren't camping, so we packed pretty lightly, but it held your usual load 
of clothing, some food, etc.  I don't recall it being a problem at that 
time.

Tubing stoutness is all relative--  Despite Grant's warning that this isn't 
a full-on tourer (compared to the Atlantis or Hunq), the Ramb still has a 
plenty stout frame (compared to the thin walls that are fashionable these 
days).  Unless you're going on a self-contained cross-country type trip, or 
technical dirt trails, you shouldn't have any trouble taking it on a 
weekend trip with 4 pannier's worth (or 2 frontloaders plus a saddlebag).

Good luck!

Greg
Oakland, CA

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 1:24:49 PM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Hope everyone is having a nice holiday season!
>
> I'm curious about how the Rambouillet handles with different configs of a 
> front load. I've only ever really used a small Swift Bandito up on the 
> handlebar, but never anything more substantial. 
>
> Have any Ram owners ever: 
>
>- somehow run low-rider panniers on the stock fork?
>- run low-rider panniers and an additional front bag on the stock fork?
>- had success with an aftermarket fork with a different trail figure?
>
> Long story, I'm thinking of having a couple mods done to my Ram and new 
> powder done (the Creamsicle is cool, but doesn't match anything - 
> especially not all the red clothing I have). I would consider adding 
> mid-fork eyelets if running front low-riders appears to work well for the 
> bike.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kieran
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stovetop Espresso (moka pot) tips please

[sameness]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 9:52:54 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Jittery, shallow breathing, and mental confusion, fatigue. Feel awful. 
>  All I can do is just crawling to bed and sleep it off.
>

I feel the same way up until my third cup!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA 

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[RBW] WTB: Half mitts

[KTY]

Missed the window on the last of the half mitts. Anyone got a pair they 
don't use? 

Thx
Kolby

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

SMALL UPDATE:

(3) Moustache and (7) random NL bar spoken for.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

Great looking bike, Dennis! I'm very stoked; there's avery long lead time 
right now, but that just means I have more time to really figure out 
exactly what I want, but is looking like a 26"/650b allroad bike with 
Motolites, drop bars, custom rack, front-load, fillet brazed; snagged a 
Pacenti fork for it, too! 

Tryin hard to be patient.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:58:34 AM UTC-8, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> Hey Patch, Good call with Bob & the Bantam. I got one of his first 
> Adventure Bike series and love it. I don't know if that is what you are 
> getting but whatever it is, you won't be disappointed. I get compliments 
> everytime I ride it.
> Dennis inPDX
>
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Long Shot WTB: A single Front Shimano BR-R650 brake caliper

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a rear Shimano BR-R650 recessed allen brake caliper, and I would 
like to buy a matching front.  This is a not-entirely current item, but 
there are US sellers on ebay selling the front for $60 shipped or for more 
like $55 shipped form Japan.  Before I go that route, would one of you have 
that single, FRONT, recessed BR-R650 brake caliper for sale?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

Great looking bike, Dennis! I'm very stoked; there's avery long lead time 
right now, but that just means I have more time to really figure out 
exactly what I want, but is looking like a 26"/650b allroad bike with 
Motolites, drop bars, custom rack, front-load, fillet brazed; snagged a 
Pacenti fork for it, too! 

Tryin hard to be patient.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:58:34 AM UTC-8, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> Hey Patch, Good call with Bob & the Bantam. I got one of his first 
> Adventure Bike series and love it. I don't know if that is what you are 
> getting but whatever it is, you won't be disappointed. I get compliments 
> everytime I ride it.
> Dennis inPDX
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 11:56:07 PM UTC-8, Patch T wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! I recently put a deposit down with Bob on a Bantam! And am 
>> needing to make space and a couple bucks for a few more parts for the build.
>>
>> Happy to send you more detailed photos.
>>
>> Shipping costs not included. CONUS and USPS. Thanks for looking
>>
>>
>> PHOTOS 
>>
>>
>> *HBARS*
>>
>> 1) Nitto Noodle 41cm, 26.0, barely used. *$35*
>>
>> 2) Nitto // Fairweather Mod 174 
>> , 
>> 44cm, 25.4, silver, used some *$40*
>>
>> 3) Nitto Mustache 25.4, used some *$35*
>>
>> 4) Nitto Grand Randonneur B135 
>> , 45cm, 
>> 25.4, used  *$35*
>>
>> 5) VO Porteur handelbars, 25.4, 23.8 brake clamp; well-used *$20*
>>
>> 6) On-One Mary, 25.4, used *$15*
>>
>> 7) NL random swept-back bar, 25.4, barely used *$10*
>>
>> *STEMZ*
>>
>> 8) Nitto HiRiser, 25.4, mounted, not ridden, too Hi for me *$45*
>>
>> 9) Nitto Technomic 5cm, 26.0, used *$20*
>>
>> *COMPONENTS*
>>
>> 10) Shimano Deore XT M736 front derailleur, top-pull version of the M735, 
>> used *$20*
>>
>> 11) Tektro bar-end levers, RX 4.1, silver, used, both *$15*
>>
>> 12) Dia Compe / VO Guidonnet levers, used *$15*
>>
>> 13) White Industries eno 17t freewheel, used *$60*
>>
>> *RACK*
>>
>> 14) VO Porteur rack with rail, used, uncut, *no hardware but strut IS 
>> included **$80*
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Stovetop Espresso (moka pot) tips please

[lum gim fong]

One cup of coffee and my day is ruined.
Jittery, shallow breathing, and mental confusion, fatigue. Feel awful.  All I 
can do is just crawling to bed and sleep it off.  I can handle soda and tea 
caffeine fine though. Odd.

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Wally Estrella]

Very nice! Enjoy the ride!


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>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
>

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[BSWP]

It's great that RBW is making brazed-on centerpulls am option for more 
frames. Whether Mafac RAID, Compass RAIID, or Paul, it's a brilliant and 
clean design.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Paul Racers
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:44:46 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> What brakes will you be using?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>>>
>>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>>
>>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[Ryan Fleming]

It is indeed. I have one Riv road  bike with the lugged quill stem , but 
the Pearl is lovely as are the Nitto Tech Deluxes. I prefer the satiny 
finishes

I actually thought the Pearls were a road stem...but I've had mine since 
1997...ordered for the Allrounder I bought that year

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:53:18 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I did some Googling and found a bunch of Nitto Keirin bars that advise 
> matching with a Pearl NJS stem. I presume that whole series is 25.4.
>
> I just mounted my new-to-me Pearl NJS with steel Albas. I don't know much 
> about NJS standards, but it sure is pretty. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[lum gim fong]

Congrats! Thanks for sharing photos! I saw a custom on organized ride once. 
Very fine definitely a cut above.

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

www.Foxwear.net

Custom clothes at regular price.
You talk to the owner when you call.
Jon

>
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[RBW] FS: B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

[David Banzer]

Had this on my main commuting bike, a VO Campeur, and swapped it for a IQ-X 
as my commute now includes a couple miles of windy dirt trail that's as 
dark as can be.
This light worked great for typical road riding and commuting.
So...

B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light.
Includes fork bracket, bolt, tool, and full length cable to connect a rear 
light. Doesn't include the reflector.
Light is lightly used, works great. 
Info here: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/b-m-eyc-t-senso-plus-dyno-headlight

$50 shipped conUS. 
Regular Paypal payment works. I'll send a PP invoice.
Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

Thanks...actually the blue does look  really good ...and for Riv's sake I 
devoutly hope someone else out there thinks so too 

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:54:25 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Oh my. It's probably good that that Riv decided to paint the one they're 
> selling blue, 'cause I don't think I could talk myself out of buying it in 
> your color. Gorgeous!

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[RBW] Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Joe Bernard]

Oh my. It's probably good that that Riv decided to paint the one they're 
selling blue, 'cause I don't think I could talk myself out of buying it in your 
color. Gorgeous!

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

Paul Racers

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:44:46 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> What brakes will you be using?
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ryan Fleming]

Lookin good...I like the black and cream. Sodo you leave that cover 
over the derailleur on? Or is that just more evidence of careful packing?

Hoping you enjoy your new bike...let us all know how you like it and 
pictures, please !

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:20:51 AM UTC-6, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>
>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>>
>>> Dan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Shoji Takahashi]

wow! Happy New Year, Ryan.
Tailwinds, shoji



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>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
>

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Belopsky]

What brakes will you be using?

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Belopsky]

More and more I am liking my Patagonia clothing for all-around wear.

Pricey? Yes. Made in USA? No, but I find their garments are worth it in 
long term - they will repair or replace if anything goes wrong. Their 
support is bar-none, IMO.

For merino, I like Ibex, but Wool blend seems to be better. I go 
through about 1 Ibex shirt a year, but I continue wearing them as 
baselayers, they are just no longer allowed in public if the fiance is 
present..

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[RBW] Re: Stovetop Espresso (moka pot) tips please

[Patch T]

I got a lovely stainless steel mokapot off Etsy recently. They have a 
pretty cool and wide-ranged selection of used and vintage mokas. Some very 
pricey, some not.

Used to use Bialetti; loved it, still have it around, but trying to cut 
aluminum out of my life :) I do like flushing my stainless steel pot with 
just water and a touch of vinegar here and there.

I met a gal from Sardinia once who explained, and showed me, that right 
when the espresso is finished, you take a spoonful or so or sugar, about 
the same amount of the hot espresso, and mix vigorously in a bowl to make a 
foamy, espressoey syrup of sorts, which is then spooned into the cup. Alas, 
I can never quite approximate what she did. Best cup of coffee I ever had, 
likely due to the romance of it all. Sigh.

Love,
Patch





On Monday, December 26, 2016 at 6:30:59 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I have a Bialetti Kitty 4 cup I am not smart enough to make good coffee 
> with. It seems very persnickety — which isn’t a good thing because I am 
> persnickety. Sardonic grin. 
>
> Tips? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[Chad]

John-Ive got an extra Mark's rack in good condition if you haven't already 
found a solution.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Eric Floden]

I have a pair of GoreTex socks that sure work well for me.  Only problem, I
forget I have them until halfway through a cool and/or wet ride, then get
to wish I had put them on

Eric
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Garth]

For pants, try Railriders if you want a roomy cut nylon pant of various 
fabric weights.  For less roomy try Outdoor Research, though many of theirs 
have a stretch nylon fabric . .   

For your feet, try plastic in your shoes. Not the whole foot, only the 
upper inside the shoe, not the bottom, to keep your foot from slipping 
inside.  Just cut and shape plastic bags as you like. No need to get new 
shoes for mild cold like that.  

No matter what you like to wear for jackets, try a super lightweight nylon 
running/cycling type of vest over your shirts, but under your favorite 
jackets.  Look for a vest that is very light and can squish in your hand 
and stuff in a pocket.  I have some Mountain Hardwear ones for example. 

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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

[Patrick Moore]

Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa is
one of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) the
Roadeo, the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in about
here.

And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I'll play with saddle position as well (as I said, I'm experimenting).
> Thanks for the idea.  Although my issue is less with arms and more with the
> neck.  Using typical drop bar position feels similar (to my neck) to
> watching a TV mounted 25 ft above the floor during the entire ride.
>
> Also thanks for bringing up safety part.  It might be a significant factor
> for some riders out there who are thinking using stem extender.  For my use
> though it does not *feel* like there is a safety issue.  The upright
> position significantly reduces the amount of weight that goes on the
> handlebar. Also, my rides are mostly on flat roads.  I never exceed 15mph.
>With the stem and the extender both tucked all the way down, the setup
> is probably sturdy enough.  (which won't be the case I were to be climbing
> hills or riding fast downhill).
>
> A better suitable bike frame is on the way, btw.  I've ordered an
> Appaloosa frame.  Nitto Dirt Drop stem + ChocoNORM bar combination works
> great for me on that (based on the test ride).   I acquired a Raleigh
> Record Ace from a friend, which I'm planning on using for occasional fast
> rides.
>
> Chees,
>
> -Ash
>
> On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad the bar is comfortable, but it's too high: first, is it safe? I
>> ask that question very seriously. With the extender and then the long quill
>> toward the end of its travel, you are going to torque those joints far more
>> than usual, and perhaps to the point of some sort of failure.
>>
>> Second, if you want a bar that high, you really need a very different
>> frame, one with a much higher head tube. When you go to such an extreme
>> measure as on your Bianchi, you know right away that you are trying to make
>> a silk purse out of something else.
>>
>> And third, there are other ways of getting torso/neck/arm/hand comfort
>> than merely by raising the bar to an extreme height. It goes against the
>> imagination, but often (I don't say always), putting your saddle further
>> back, so that your core takes over the work of holding up your shoulders
>> and head, is the first step in setting up a bicycle comfortably. You'll
>> notice that bikes designed for very high bars, like the Dutch city bike,
>> also have very, very slack seat tube angles, and I don't think that this is
>> merely coincidence.
>>
>> All of this is entirely removed from any question of a "racing" position.
>> (Note too that the drop bar design is among the oldest around because it
>> has been proved one of the most comfortable when properly set up.)
>>
>> I chose the 2 images below at random and only afterward noticed that both
>> show Velo Orange bikes.
>>
>> I don't mean merely to be critical. You will do yourself a real favor by
>> finding either a more effective way to get comfort, or else, a very
>> different design that does safely allow such an extreme bar position.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I wondered about usability of brifters on Albastache/Mustache
>>> type bars sometime ago, I couldn't find much info on interwebs.
>>>
>>> I decided to get an Albastache anyway and give it a try.  Turns out it
>>> works ok with Campy brifters.  Shimano/SRAM brifters aren't likely as
>>> suitable since  they don't have the thumb button.
>>>
>>> I was happy to trade slightly reduced brifter usability for increased
>>> usable handlebar positions that Albastache offers (in 3 years of riding
>>> this road bike, I had never  felt the need to use the lower part of drop
>>> bars. I did, however,  frequently looked for ways to be upright).  Folks
>>> optimizing for speed may feel differently.
>>>
>>> Next experiment was handlebar height.
>>>
>>> I've never felt uncomfortable to grab a spoon or use fingers, if I
>>> thought those options were more optimal when everyone else was using
>>> chopsticks or forks.  Proliferation of skinny fashion didn't make me change
>>> my jeans.  And so on.  I rank usability/practicality way higher than
>>> coolness.   Still, when it came to bike, somehow, I wasn't at ease raising
>>> handlebar above saddle level, regardless of how stupid (and
>>> pain-in-the-neck-inducing) the default setup felt.  Last weekend I raised
>>> the bar like no one was watching.  Picture attached.  It does look
>>> more comical than giraffe and lama, IMO.  After several short and couples
>>> of long rides, I'm concluding that this is how it is going to be now on.
>>> Don't care if other bikers in the neighborhood 

[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ron Mc]

any time you get well below freezing, the air is dry, and protecting 
yourself from the wind is the most important thing.  

In cold and high-humidity, especially in mid-low 30s, you need to layer up 
extra heavy, because this is "penetrating cold" - your body has to work 
harder to warm up the air in your insulating layers

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam S24O in the Santa Cruz Mountains

[Mike Williams]

Awesme story,  thanks for sharing Patch!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Patch T  wrote:
> 
> Thought I'd share a few photos, and some videos, of camping out in the Santa 
> Cruz (CA) Mountains on a Quickbeam a few weeks ago.
> 
> The route was originally to incorporate more dirt than it did in the end; but 
> there had just passed some rain and I didn't feel great about my rig on 
> non-maintained and technically private dirt (mud) roads. Which is fine. Still 
> a blast. About 55mi total and about 6500 ft of climbing. Sugino 40/32 and a 
> WI 16/18 (which I need to switch out for a 16/19 because in the 32/18 the 
> axle nuts just hang off the end of the drop-out, and while I've experience 
> nigh-zero slippage, it still doesn't sit well with me), most of the ride was 
> in the 32/18.
> 
> I drove up from LA to SC, stocked up, and started up HWY 1 at the bottom of 
> Gazos Creek Road and took it up to Big Basin, with a few meandering trails 
> in-between. Much of Gazos is gravel and dirt, and steep, and wet and muddy 
> and a whole lot of frustration and fun. Hiked a little, biked a little, drank 
> a little wine. The Redwood canopy kept everything damp and wet all the way up 
> the hill. Once out of the river valley slog, trees spread out slightly and 
> things warmed up for a little until I dove back into wet and dark. The road 
> is beautiful. There's a boy scout treehouse along the way. 
> 
> I was virtually alone at Jay Camp, and got the best hike-bike sight under a 
> cluster of redwoods. Did a night hike to the waterfall (small) nearby, warmed 
> up on mezcal and two layers of wool leggings, two wool socks, three thin wool 
> baselayers, a down vest and a synthetic down pullover, neck garter and 
> gloves, all wrapped up in a 20 deg (supposedly) bag with a ThermaRest inside. 
> Much frost in the morning but I was snug all night. I've been in LA the past 
> year and have already gotten soft!
> 
> I love S24Os because it's not totally ridiculous to pack a burrito, which I 
> lunched on the next day after climbing up the 236 to the 9 and across Skyline 
> Boulevard to Horseshoe Lake, quaint, perfect, in the Skyline Open Space. The 
> 236 is a really perfect winding climb and descent through the forests, along 
> a ridge and back down. This time of year there was little traffic, and the 
> views were epic. 9 and Skyline were a little less enjoyable; not a whole lot 
> of shoulder and frequent fast-travelling cars. Still hard to complain though, 
> really. 
> 
> The winding descent down Alpine is a beautiful pastoral, through rolling 
> grass hills past cattle, down into forest and back up out and down again 
> through Loma Mar to Pescadero.
> 
> Decided to stay an extra night in Butano State Park (closed for the season, 
> technically) before a mile or so back to the ice-encrusted car the next 
> morning for a sunrise drive up HWY 1 to San Francisco and Oakland to for a 
> holiday visit with friends, shiverin and grinnin and stinkin like all hell.
> 
> Love,
> Patch
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

My vote is for some lightweight thermals under your jeans (tried and true).  
Wool is the best imo, but I use cotton/poly blends all the time without issue.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam S24O in the Santa Cruz Mountains

[Deacon Patrick]

Tree house! Banana slug! On a Quickbeam! In a hammock! Awesome!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:55:55 AM UTC-7, Patch T wrote:
>
> Thought I'd share a few photos , and some 
> videos, of camping out in the Santa Cruz (CA) Mountains on a Quickbeam a 
> few weeks ago.
>
> The route was originally to incorporate more dirt than it did in the end; 
> but there had just passed some rain and I didn't feel great about my rig on 
> non-maintained and technically private dirt (mud) roads. Which is fine. 
> Still a blast. About 55mi total and about 6500 ft of climbing. Sugino 40/32 
> and a WI 16/18 (which I need to switch out for a 16/19 because in the 32/18 
> the axle nuts just hang off the end of the drop-out, and while I've 
> experience nigh-zero slippage, it still doesn't sit well with me), most of 
> the ride was in the 32/18.
>
> I drove up from LA to SC, stocked up, and started up HWY 1 at the bottom 
> of Gazos Creek Road and took it up to Big Basin, with a few meandering 
> trails in-between. Much of Gazos is gravel and dirt, and steep, and wet and 
> muddy and a whole lot of frustration and fun. Hiked a little, biked a 
> little, drank a little wine. The Redwood canopy kept everything damp and 
> wet all the way up the hill. Once out of the river valley slog, trees 
> spread out slightly and things warmed up for a little until I dove back 
> into wet and dark. The road is beautiful. There's a boy scout treehouse 
> along the way. 
>
> I was virtually alone at Jay Camp, and got the best hike-bike sight under 
> a cluster of redwoods. Did a night hike to the waterfall (small) nearby, 
> warmed up on mezcal and two layers of wool leggings, two wool socks, three 
> thin wool baselayers, a down vest and a synthetic down pullover, neck 
> garter and gloves, all wrapped up in a 20 deg (supposedly) bag with a 
> ThermaRest inside. Much frost in the morning but I was snug all night. I've 
> been in LA the past year and have already gotten soft!
>
> I love S24Os because it's not totally ridiculous to pack a burrito, which 
> I lunched on the next day after climbing up the 236 to the 9 and across 
> Skyline Boulevard to Horseshoe Lake, quaint, perfect, in the Skyline Open 
> Space. The 236 is a really perfect winding climb and descent through the 
> forests, along a ridge and back down. This time of year there was little 
> traffic, and the views were epic. 9 and Skyline were a little less 
> enjoyable; not a whole lot of shoulder and frequent fast-travelling cars. 
> Still hard to complain though, really. 
>
> The winding descent down Alpine is a beautiful pastoral, through rolling 
> grass hills past cattle, down into forest and back up out and down again 
> through Loma Mar to Pescadero.
>
> Decided to stay an extra night in Butano State Park (closed for the 
> season, technically) before a mile or so back to the ice-encrusted car the 
> next morning for a sunrise drive up HWY 1 to San Francisco and Oakland to 
> for a holiday visit with friends, shiverin and grinnin and stinkin like all 
> hell.
>
> Love,
> Patch
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Deacon Patrick]

Have you tried moleskin pants (Orvis) or perhaps, less expensively, 
Duluth's firehose pants? Also, try long johns under your jeans or these. 
Think in layers. Base layer, insulation layer, wind and water proof layer, 
in any combination. If 40 is a cold as you're getting, you'll be fine with 
any "normal" clothing in those combinations. 40 means if it precipitates, 
things will be very wet and cold. That is a tough combination to manage, so 
unless you are interested in going ventile (Hilltrek) just find a good 
waterproof /supposedly breathable jacket and ventilate it well as needed 
when riding. 

Cold weather riding is slower, required changes to match the conditions of 
wether and the ride itself (I have to really bundle up before descending 
the pass back home.) 

You mention pants are the most important thing. My breeches are the last 
thing to get fortified with additional layers. Managing layers at my core 
and extremities is far more critical for me. But that may just be me.

Experience is an excellent teacher. Try different combinations, ask 
questions here. You may feel like you've enough stuff on a simple day ride 
for an S24O -- that's a good thing. Better to have too much and not need it 
than too little and desperately want it.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:42:19 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ron Mc]

you want the same basic clothing philosophy as any cold weather outdoor 
activity - wicking base layer to keep your skin dry (merino is awesome), 
middle insulation layer to keep you warm (and weight as you can peel as you 
warm up), outer shell to keep wind and precipitation out.  

Breathable shells are great, but not necessary - sealed nylon will do the 
job.  sierratradingpost is a great place to shop for quality outdoor gear, 
including merino base layer.  With good coupon work, paid $140 shipped for 
a retail $450 Goretex-III Ultralight shell.  

MUSA pants are absolutely perfect; 

Knickers with merino knee socks work for me with as cold as it gets here 
(s. Texas).  I have knicker-length base layer.  I will wear my long-sleeve 
merino base layer, tee shirt and wind shell.  
Here on high pressure days, the temperature can swing 40 degrees - low 30s 
in the morning, and mid-70s in the afternoon.  
All my bikes have winter bags for carrying and stuffing layers and shell, 
alt gloves, along with shorty socks, etc. for when the day warms up.  

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[RBW] Best of 2016

[Fullylugged]

My year end bike thoughts:  www.fullylugged.blogspot.com
I haven't collected pictures to an album, they're just mostly in the several 
bike groups I frequent on Facebook. Bike wise, the nicest project was 
repainting an old UJB crit racer from Nashbar and decking it riv style. Also 
renamed it Ferrous Bueller.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/9535930@N07/31722384410/in/dateposted-public/

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[RBW] Re: NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[Belopsky]

NJS is a Keirin standard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JKA_Foundation

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Les Lammers]

Looks great Dan-O! They are Choco Norm bars.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:20:51 AM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>
>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>>
>>> Dan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>
> Curious what handlebar is this..
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> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>
>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>
>> Dan 
>>
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