[RBW] Re: Sackville Multisack

[LeahFoy]

Great points, Joe and John! John, that lithe bag is THE perfect pannier for a 
Brompton. Too cute. 

I meant to stay with the tan color I already have, but I liked the gray best 
and ordered it. I chose the Multisack over the bar tube because it looks more 
like a clutch/handbag than the bar tube does. There is nothing better than 
buying a new Rivendell bike, but second to that is buying new bags for a 
Rivendell bike. I cannot wait.

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 6:59:31 PM UTC-8, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>
> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>

I used to commute with a Clem with one heavy pannier (Arkel shopping bag 
pannier) in the rear, and like you, I never noticed any significant effect 
on handling. That was really sweet. And, of course, with those long 
chainstays, it's really easy to mount rear bags. I've since switched the 
commute to a lighter (and more importantly, shorter wheelbase) frame/bike 
with a front basket carrying all my gear, and while I don't like the 
handling effects of weight up front like that, I do like having my stuff in 
the front for visibility and ease of access. Regarding front bags for the 
Wald basket, I've been swapping back and forth between a Swift sugarloaf 
bag in waxed canvas, which I love, and a Reload custom-color basket bag, 
which holds more and costs less, but is covered in velcro which doesn't mix 
well with wool clothing. The sugarloaf is a fantastic option for those of 
us with VERY small laptops.

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[RBW] PSA: Eroica California Is Coming April 8-9 in Paso Robles, CA

[Jon Spangler]

Fellow cyclists and lovers of steel,

As many of you know, the third iteration of Eroica California, EC 2017, is 
coming on April 8-9 in Paso Robles, CA. Like all of the worldwide Eroica 
rides, Eroica California
tries to replicate the feel and the effort required in the Grand Tours of 
the 1920s and 1930s, including routes that include roughly 30% unpaved 
(dirt and gravel) roads.
There are four (4) routes of 38, 67, 85, and 120 miles. The two longer 
routes take riders to Cambria on the Pacific Coast. 

http://www.eroicacalifornia.com

(PLEASE NOTE: recent heavy rains have washed out some roads so the routes 
shown on the website may be modified, depending on the ability of county 
road crews to 
make repairs in time.)

Events on Saturday include a vintage bicycle concours, technical and 
history seminars, a large vintage bike and parts swap, a vintage-era movie, 
and a Tuscan dinner prepared by
Tuscan chefs brought in by the Eroica Gaiole (Italy) organizers for this 
ride. 

Organizer Wesley N Hatakeyama and the local Hospice of San Luis Obispo 
County team are working hard to assure another wonderful event. Eroica 
rides are open to anyone who rides a
bike from 1987 or earlier that utilizes (mostly) steel frame (vintage or 
"keeper of the flame" bikes like Rivendells, of course). All bikes must use 
"vintage" friction shifting (no SIS or 'brifters)
and traditional caged pedals--with or without cleats and toe straps (no 
click-in pedals like Looks, SPDs, Speedplays, etc.). *Wool vintage jerseys 
and shorts are encouraged but not required. *

For a complete listing of the rules and regulations, visit:
 https://www.eroicacalifornia.com/regulation 


If the website information leaves you with questions, please email them to 
 i...@eroicacalifornia.com. 

We hope to see you in Paso Robles next month!

Jon Spangler
Alameda, CA
EC 2017 volunteer and participant










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[RBW] Doing wheelies on the Cheviot

[Richard Rios]

I read somewhere Dave at Rivendell can wheelie a long CS bike. I was hoping for 
a video of that. I couldn't really get the front end up on my long CS proto 
hunqapillar much less wheelie it. haven't really tried on my clem but I'm not 
so sure how  that would go with non bull boscosif anyone can I'd love he 
see a video of it as well :)

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

With an 87.5, in most cases that would put your SH around 76, 77cm, which 
would be fine for 60cm, even non-sloping. 54-55 would generally be way 
small for that PBH, even for a racer. Maybe part of the discrepancy is you 
are measuring center to center 55cm, which would be more like 56-57 center 
to top, depending on the tubing. That would make more sense. Rivendells are 
measured center to top.

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:43:31 PM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I'm also concerned about the frame size.  I bought this one 'cause the 
> price was really, really good and the frame was in excellent shape.  It's a 
> 60cm, and for most bikes I ride something in the 54-55cm range (my PBH is 
> 87.5 or so).  However, Riv recommends a 59 or 61cm AHH for my PBH, so I'm 
> hoping that this Expedition will fit somehow.  
> Kevin
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Ed Carolipio]

Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
riv site.

For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped to 
a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The R14 
probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.

For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier bars 
and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the rack 
tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use the 
rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.

For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag 
(https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 mount. 
That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, and a 
snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat and 
doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
rack.

One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
hooks to get the bag to work right.

--Ed

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>
> Pics requested! Please
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks, Sackville, Nitto Campee, Velo Orage, Honjo, Brand V

[Alex Moll]

Hello Gang,

Shipping charges are included for the lower 48. If you live in Canada, 
Alaska, or Hawaii - we'll split the difference. By the way, the free 
shipping deal assumes that you'll use the "personal" option with Paypal. 
I'm also happy to meet you on the weekend anywhere on the I-5 corridor 
between Marysville, WA and the U-district in Seattle.

Paypal to: amol...@comcast.net

All pics 
here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/39151498@N07/albums/72157679113949711/with/33193253276/

1.) Nitto Big Back Rack Medium. Excellent condition, barely used. $160 
shipped.

2.) Sackville Tour Sacks, Grid Grey, never used. $160 shipped.

3.) Velo Orange chain guard. Includes mounting hardware, and some custom 
engine turning, which goes well with dimpled fenders. $40 shipped.

4.) Saddle sack, XSmall, "Brand V". $40 shipped.

5.)  Brooks B17 Special Honey, comes with Brooks saddle cover - $105 
shipped.

6.) Tektro city brake levers. $20 shipped.

7.) Sackville Trunk Sack, Small, Grid Grey. $80 shipped.

8.) Honjo La Paon fenders, 45mm. Extra front stay - custom fit to my 
Rivendell custom (see a pic in the set.) Also includes Sackville grid grey 
mudflaps, Boulder diamond reinforcement, Boudler tapered spacer under the 
daruma, and r-clips and bolts. $125 shipped. I'd rather NOT ship these, so 
if you'll do a local pickup or meet between Marysville, and Seattle = I'll 
take $100.

Thank you.

Alex Moll
Marysville, WA



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[RBW] Doing wheelies on the Cheviot

[A. Nostuh]

I had a dream I was cruising all over in style doing wheelies on the big Cheviot

Now, I can't even wheelie any bike, let alone one with 53cm chainstays

So now I'm wondering if anyone can wheelie their long bike be it a Cheviot, 
Appaloosa or Clementine/Clem Smith 

You might need to make a brief video to be believed

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

I was too late to act and lost my chance on Butternut Appaloosa.
Begrudgingly preordered for 51 green in December.  The wait is killing me!





On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Nice! I'd love to find a truss bike, but I hardly ever see any ANTs for
> sale. I believe he only made 500-600 frames total, and nobody's selling!
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[RBW] Re: Proposal: Sew-it-yourself Half-Mitts

[Matt B.]

I can't believe the half-mitts didn't sell that well.I mean, I believe it 
because that's what the riv says, but dang, they are awesomely useful and 
usable.  Best thing next to trigger mittens for riding a bike below 40F, or 
down to the teens or 20s with an extra layer.  The stock stitching does 
come undone eventually, but I love mine and plan to repair them until they 
are dust but would gladly sew together more once that happens.



On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:27:14 PM UTC-5, Bob B wrote:
>
> I'm love my MUSA Mitts, and it was disappointing to see that they are 
> likely going to be discontinued. I use them every day to commute in New 
> York. Amazingly, they're all I need down to about 20–25 degrees F.  
>
> It occurred to me that MUSA mitts seem simple enough construction-wise 
> that they could make good sew-it-yourself kits, wherein RBW would sell 
> pre-cut fabric with black thread and a segment of bungee cord, with 
> instructions. People would be free to tweak the template to customize fit. 
> I made a comment to this effect on Grant's Blahg post about them 
> 
> . 
>
> I admit the idea is far fetched, and maybe even dumb! However, its not 
> without precedent. Sew-it-yourself kits had a moment in the 70s/80s in the 
> outdoor sports market (i.e.; Frostline Kits 
> ). 
>
> But just out of pure curiosity, I wanted to put it to the group. Would you 
> buy em? Would you sew them? Would they be more viable, business-wise?
>
> Bob
> Brooklyn, NY
>
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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Joe Bernard]

Nice! I'd love to find a truss bike, but I hardly ever see any ANTs for sale. I 
believe he only made 500-600 frames total, and nobody's selling!

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[RBW] Re: cool new geometry section on rivbike.com

[sameness]

Try this? 


Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:12 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Is there a way to make it BIGGER, so it easier to read?
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Proposal: Sew-it-yourself Half-Mitts

[scott]

I have some cool Frostline stuff that I didnt sew but have found at garage 
sales. Had some panniers at one point. I love the various skill levels in 
construction. My daily down jacket is a mess, but Bill (according to the label) 
tried his best! When I was poor, I sewed my own windscreen based on the 
pictures on the riv sight. The mitts wouldn't be too hard to make at home, 
maybe minus the thumb...you could make them out of duct tape and an elastic 
cord...no sewing required.

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[RBW] Re: cool new geometry section on rivbike.com

[John Hawrylak]

Is there a way to make it BIGGER, so it easier to read?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[scott]

Drops work great on my lovely wife's Joe. She is using a tall dirt drop stem 
and noodles. I'm lucky that we are close enough in height that we can generally 
swap bikes. That is one nice thing about the expanded geometry...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[RichS]

You've just about covered the field! What is the current bar? 

Thanks,
Richard

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 4:06:56 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following:
>
> Drops
> Mustache
> Bullmoose
> Straight mountain
> Bosco
> Albastache
> Albatross
> Bosco Bullmoose
>
> None were ditched due to lack of comfort. Most of the changing above was 
> for fun and curiosity. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Glen  wrote:
>
> This versatility is one big joy of the Atlantis, I have Noodle and 
> Albatross setups for mine and switch from time to time and it just works, 
> The Noodle with interrupter brake levers may be the best of both worlds. 
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a 
>> decade.  When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, 
>> using the same stem.  The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues 
>> are long gone.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossamer wrote:
>>>
>>> I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling 
>>> mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd 
>>> give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be 
>>> set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02:56 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

 Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an 
 appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think 
 I would use drop bars on this type of bike

 On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to 
> make the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than 
> the Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain 
> the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
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Re: [RBW] How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Philip,
I know this is off topic, but what is your pbh, seat height and how much
seat post is showing in your 51 Appaloosa? :-)
I have been dreaming of getting a green Appaloosa.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for
> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an
> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the
> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>
> Pics requested! Please
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[RBW] Recovering from Ankle Surgery

[BenG]

I changed my '72 Sports Tourer from 27" to 700C when the soft old spokes 
started breaking. I liked the Maillard hubs, slotted like Phil Rivy's, and the 
14-34 freewheel was perfect, so I cut out the spokes, polished up the hub 
components, and shipped them to the best wheelbuilder in the land. For a fair 
price he assembled the hubs and built high-tension 700C wheels that are still 
dead true. The original centerpull brakes were thick around the shoe post 
slots, so I used an endmill to lengthen the slots to reach the rims. Barely 
fits 35mm Paselas at the chainstays.

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Sky Coulter]

I'm glad folks seem to be preferring the green, 'cause the silver/cream combo 
is exactly the color scheme I want. Unfortunately, i just bought a specialized 
sequoia, so will have to wait a while and hope the 58cm remains in stock.

Although i would want to run drops on it and it seems there is also a consensus 
that that might not be a wise choice.  From the stack and reach numbers, i 
think it should be fine though. 

Sky in new west

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Joe I'll have to brush up on the photo posting message at the top.  My ANT 
is the truss bike with a Noah's Arch handlebar.  Darker army green with 
mango King bits.  Sharp looking if I may say so myself!

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:57:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I like the silver, but would go green myself if I bought another joe. I 
> love the "looks like a super fancy Raleigh 3-speed's" fork crown, and think 
> darker colors show off the cream cutouts better. 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Multisack

[Surlyprof]

Leah,

I bought one recently to use as small pannier on a Brompton for 
foldability.  (
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157676942696083 
)
 
 Really nicely built and detailed (leather details, pockets and connection 
points on bottom and both sides for lots of fastening versatility).  Good 
looking, too.  I found it to work really well for a Ulock and my lunch 
(5"x5"x1.5" container and some other things).  I just used it yesterday on 
my Hillborne's Albastache bars.  It connected pretty well but would 
probably work even better on bars with less curve such as Boscos, Chocos 
and Albatross.  The one thing I would consider doing is swapping out the 
buckle straps for something with an easier release such as snaps, fastex 
or, dare I say, velcro.  With a phone an wallet in it, it would be nice to 
be able to just pop it off when I wanted run into a store or coffee shop. 
 I always liked that detachable pocket feature on the medium and large 
saddlesacks.

John

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 12:46:32 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I rarely have pockets, except in winter when I'm wearing coats. Mom and 
> Dad sent me money for my birthday this year, so maybe I'll order a 
> Sackville Multisack to attach to my Bosco bars to hold my iPhone and pepper 
> spray. I've got bags for everything else, but just not items I'd like to 
> get at quickly. I haven't read much anywhere on the multisack and wonder if 
> it's worth the cost. Also, wonder when the promised blue color will arrive? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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[RBW] Sackville Multisack

[Joe Bernard]

I bought the first one, which, amusingly, is pictured on the Riv site on the 
Appaloosa I also ended up buying. It's a good bar bag for stuff you want to get 
to quickly like phone, wallet, your pepper spray, keys, energy bar and 
warmer/cooler gloves. There's two pocket's on the front, but I never seem to 
need them. They're too small for my huge phone, but would be good for ID and 
credit card if you wanted to go without a purse or wallet.

Bottom line: It's a great bag, but be aware that the Sackville Bar Tube does 
everything the MultiSack does if you don't need pockets, and is easier to take 
off for running into the store 'cause hook-and-loop instead of buckles. I have 
both and tend to use the Tube more often. 

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[sameness]

I have a 1986 Specialized Expedition, a 1986 Miyata 1000, and am building 
up a new A. Homer Hilsen as we speak! 

I can compare geometries if that is helpful, and should be able to compare 
and contrast ride qualities shortly.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Bill Lindsay]

That is an EPIC habitual-bar-swapper!  APPROVE!

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following:
>
> Drops
> Mustache
> Bullmoose
> Straight mountain
> Bosco
> Albastache
> Albatross
> Bosco Bullmoose
>
> None were ditched due to lack of comfort. Most of the changing above was 
> for fun and curiosity. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Glen  wrote:
>
> This versatility is one big joy of the Atlantis, I have Noodle and 
> Albatross setups for mine and switch from time to time and it just works, 
> The Noodle with interrupter brake levers may be the best of both worlds. 
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a 
>> decade.  When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, 
>> using the same stem.  The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues 
>> are long gone.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossamer wrote:
>>>
>>> I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling 
>>> mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd 
>>> give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be 
>>> set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02:56 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

 Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an 
 appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think 
 I would use drop bars on this type of bike

 On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to 
> make the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than 
> the Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain 
> the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[James Warren]

On my 15+ year old Atlantis I've had the following:

Drops
Mustache
Bullmoose
Straight mountain
Bosco
Albastache
Albatross
Bosco Bullmoose

None were ditched due to lack of comfort. Most of the changing above was for 
fun and curiosity. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Glen  wrote:
> 
> This versatility is one big joy of the Atlantis, I have Noodle and Albatross 
> setups for mine and switch from time to time and it just works, The Noodle 
> with interrupter brake levers may be the best of both worlds. 
> 
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>> Interesting.  Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a decade.  
>> When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, using the 
>> same stem.  The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues are long 
>> gone.  
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossamer wrote:
>>> I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling 
>>> mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd 
>>> give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be 
>>> set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;)
>>> 
 On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02:56 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
 Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an 
 appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think 
 I would use drop bars on this type of bike
 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
> Atlantis?
> 
> Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2017 03:39 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
Thanks for the info - I'm really looking forward to finishing the 
Expedition and taking it out.  Already 90% built up, it feels very 
light (at least, compared to my Hunqapillar, which is a tank by 
anyone's definition), and it's not clear how much I can load it 
without affecting the handling too much. Guess I'll find out shortly.


You ought to be able to load that thing up like a 49-er's pack mule, 
because the Specialized Expedition was the premier loaded touring bike 
in its day, as I recall.



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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Joe Bernard]

I like the silver, but would go green myself if I bought another joe. I love 
the "looks like a super fancy Raleigh 3-speed's" fork crown, and think darker 
colors show off the cream cutouts better. 

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Chris, let's see that ANT! 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Joe Bernard]

I've used both (with different stems) on my Appaloosa, too. The Noodle was a 
bit of a stretch to the drops, but I rarely ride there; the hoods and flats 
positions were great. 

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[RBW] Sackville Multisack

[LeahFoy]

 I rarely have pockets, except in winter when I'm wearing coats. Mom and Dad 
sent me money for my birthday this year, so maybe I'll order a Sackville 
Multisack to attach to my Bosco bars to hold my iPhone and pepper spray. I've 
got bags for everything else, but just not items I'd like to get at quickly. I 
haven't read much anywhere on the multisack and wonder if it's worth the cost. 
Also, wonder when the promised blue color will arrive? 

Thanks!
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Kevin Lindsey]

I'm also concerned about the frame size.  I bought this one 'cause the 
price was really, really good and the frame was in excellent shape.  It's a 
60cm, and for most bikes I ride something in the 54-55cm range (my PBH is 
87.5 or so).  However, Riv recommends a 59 or 61cm AHH for my PBH, so I'm 
hoping that this Expedition will fit somehow.  
Kevin

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:39:36 PM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info - I'm really looking forward to finishing the 
> Expedition and taking it out.  Already 90% built up, it feels very light 
> (at least, compared to my Hunqapillar, which is a tank by anyone's 
> definition), and it's not clear how much I can load it without affecting 
> the handling too much.  Guess I'll find out shortly.
> Have a great weekend,
> Kevin
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-5, Dan wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, I have an '83 Expedition (65cm) that has 73.5/73.5 angles and a 
>> surprisingly lively ride. Moreso than the 60cm HIllborne I owned briefly. 
>> However, with a rear load my Expedition sways quite noticeably when you're 
>> pedaling hard. Moving the load amidships and upfront makes it behave much 
>> better. Not sure if some of this is due to the large frame, but that's my 
>> experience anyway.  I use the bike primarily for commuting and I love it; 
>> it feels fast and comfortable.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:54:55 AM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings.
>>> I'm in the process of building up a 1983 Specialized Expedition (which 
>>> is a really lovely bike).  From a distance, the frame looks to have more or 
>>> less the same geometry as the AHH or, possibly, the Atlantis.  Does anyone 
>>> have experience with the vintage Expeditions such that he or she could 
>>> compare its ride to one of the Rivs? 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin Lindsey
>>> Alexandria, VA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Kevin Lindsey]

Thanks for the info - I'm really looking forward to finishing the 
Expedition and taking it out.  Already 90% built up, it feels very light 
(at least, compared to my Hunqapillar, which is a tank by anyone's 
definition), and it's not clear how much I can load it without affecting 
the handling too much.  Guess I'll find out shortly.
Have a great weekend,
Kevin

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-5, Dan wrote:
>
> Kevin, I have an '83 Expedition (65cm) that has 73.5/73.5 angles and a 
> surprisingly lively ride. Moreso than the 60cm HIllborne I owned briefly. 
> However, with a rear load my Expedition sways quite noticeably when you're 
> pedaling hard. Moving the load amidships and upfront makes it behave much 
> better. Not sure if some of this is due to the large frame, but that's my 
> experience anyway.  I use the bike primarily for commuting and I love it; 
> it feels fast and comfortable.
>
> Dan
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:54:55 AM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
>> Greetings.
>> I'm in the process of building up a 1983 Specialized Expedition (which is 
>> a really lovely bike).  From a distance, the frame looks to have more or 
>> less the same geometry as the AHH or, possibly, the Atlantis.  Does anyone 
>> have experience with the vintage Expeditions such that he or she could 
>> compare its ride to one of the Rivs? 
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin Lindsey
>> Alexandria, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] NAHBS?

[Glen]

Anyone planning on attending next weekend's show?

Feel free to direct email me if you want some SLC advice on hotels, 
restaurants, skiing or other activities.

We have one Riv dealer in town if you are looking for a shop. Saturday 
Cycles at the corner of 6th North and 3rd West is about a mile from the 
show.

For food, the Red Iguana is less than a mile from the show (a couple of 
stops on the light rail) and is legendary for Mexican

http://www.2017.handmadebicycleshow.com/ 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Glen]

This versatility is one big joy of the Atlantis, I have Noodle and 
Albatross setups for mine and switch from time to time and it just works, 
The Noodle with interrupter brake levers may be the best of both worlds. 

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting.  Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a 
> decade.  When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, 
> using the same stem.  The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues 
> are long gone.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossamer wrote:
>>
>> I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling 
>> mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd 
>> give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be 
>> set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;)
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02:56 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an 
>>> appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think 
>>> I would use drop bars on this type of bike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:

 Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to 
 make the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than 
 the Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
 Atlantis?

 Reid



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[RBW] FS: Grand Bois bars, Simworks stem

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

GrandBois Handlebar parallel MAES/420mm, like new: $85

1x Sim Works Gettin' Hungry Stem - Silver / 90mm / 25.4, like new: $85

Price includes shipping to CONUS.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Proposal: Sew-it-yourself Half-Mitts

[Belopsky]

Would never ever ever work for me, so I'd be out. My hands get extremely 
cold, even my 45nrth gloves are too cold

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:38:01 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> i think it's a great idea, though probably not a financially viable one. i 
> doubt that if the finished versions didnt sell that well, than a 
> sew-it-yourself version would do much better.
>
>  i live in los angeles and have no need for them, but i'd buy the kit just 
> to have an undaunting sewing project. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, never. Never ,ever, ever. And yes, I pushed that bike a mile home. Glad 
it didn’t do this to me on the way down that hill. Scary. 
> On Mar 3, 2017, at 10:37 AM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Arrrggghhh!  You never had a flat with your previous tires?  You are pushing 
> a bike with a FLAT tire that is only a week or 2 old?  Case closed.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. I 
> will be swinging by there today asking for new tires. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > I better inspect my Synergies now! 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Richard 
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[RBW] Re: Proposal: Sew-it-yourself Half-Mitts

[drew]

i think it's a great idea, though probably not a financially viable one. i 
doubt that if the finished versions didnt sell that well, than a 
sew-it-yourself version would do much better.

 i live in los angeles and have no need for them, but i'd buy the kit just 
to have an undaunting sewing project. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[dougP]

Arrrggghhh!  You never had a flat with your previous tires?  You are 
pushing a bike with a FLAT tire that is only a week or 2 old?  Case 
closed.  

dougP

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>
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. 
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I better inspect my Synergies now! 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Richard 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[dougP]

Interesting.  Conversely, I rode my Atlantis with drops for over a decade.  
When I began having hand issues, I changed over to upright bars, using the 
same stem.  The bike still fits like a glove, and my hand issues are long 
gone.  

dougP

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:08:30 PM UTC-8, Gossamer wrote:
>
> I can confirm that drop bars on a JA is a bad idea. It's why I'm selling 
> mine. Riv tried to explain this to me prior to purchase but I thought I'd 
> give it a try. Didn't work. They are different bikes and are meant to be 
> set up differently. Expensive lesson. ;)
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:02:56 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Atlantis is more size specific and can use drop bars. I just got an 
>> appaloosa, because after using the bosco and albatross bars, I don't think 
>> I would use drop bars on this type of bike
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>>
>>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to 
>>> make the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than 
>>> the Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>>> Atlantis?
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Proposal: Sew-it-yourself Half-Mitts

[Bob B]

I'm love my MUSA Mitts, and it was disappointing to see that they are 
likely going to be discontinued. I use them every day to commute in New 
York. Amazingly, they're all I need down to about 20–25 degrees F.  

It occurred to me that MUSA mitts seem simple enough construction-wise that 
they could make good sew-it-yourself kits, wherein RBW would sell pre-cut 
fabric with black thread and a segment of bungee cord, with instructions. 
People would be free to tweak the template to customize fit. I made a 
comment to this effect on Grant's Blahg post about them 

. 

I admit the idea is far fetched, and maybe even dumb! However, its not 
without precedent. Sew-it-yourself kits had a moment in the 70s/80s in the 
outdoor sports market (i.e.; Frostline Kits 
). 

But just out of pure curiosity, I wanted to put it to the group. Would you 
buy em? Would you sew them? Would they be more viable, business-wise?

Bob
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Philip Kim]

I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
Nitto 32R and putting panniers.

Pics requested! Please

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Will]

Indeed. 

I was juggling between a Hilson and a Hillborne. Then an Atlantis popped 
up. I'd been wanting big rubber for years. One test ride. Game over. 

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> I've ridden both & they are both great bikes and depending on size & use 
> an Appaloosa may be perfect for you. I very nearly bought one, but was 
> vasillating back and forth between that & a Hunqapillar. I was getting 
> tripped up on the sizing when the Atlantis I bought came available & I 
> realized it was exactly what I needed. I am so glad, because I was not even 
> considering Atlanti! Now I wonder what I was thinking! Yes, the fact that 
> The Atlantis comes in a wide variety of sizes means it will probably never 
> go away.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2017 10:51 AM, Tim Gavin wrote:
That's a good price.  But, I disagree that wire bead Paselas provide 
80% of the performance of standard casing Compass tires of the same size.


On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 
10), I'd give standard casing Compass tires a 9 (9.5 for EL casing), 
and wire bead Paselas with Tourguard a 5.5 or 6.


I was not speaking of the Tourguard version, but rather the unbelted 
wire bead "regular" Pasela.






My opinion, obviously.  No rolling drum tests were performed in the 
creation of this opinion, just seat of my pants.


On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them
for about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged
but fine-riding tires.



And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C
at Niagra Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard
casing Compass Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the
performance.  A splendid choice for commuting.



I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela
26 X 1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my
commuters. I got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass
tires which was a bit of a PITA but they are more performance
oriented.Normally (may the gods not strike me down for this) I
rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 Stampede Passes
on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not a
practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42
Paselas...thought about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with
the Paselas w. Tourguard for now. The folding bead tires are not
egregiously heavy. My experience , YMMV.

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the
gravel kings a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love
Pari Motos but the tread life is only about 1,900 miles for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Well the Kevlar Tourguard ones are CDN  50+ , but I've been very happy with 
their ruggedness and decent performance. So my take is, the Compass 
McLure's - meh...Not materially better. On the other hand, the pricey 32mm 
Extralight Stampede Pass tires on my road bike are superb...but not for the 
mean streets

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:42:51 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for 
> about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding 
> tires. 
>
>
>
> And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at Niagra 
> Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing Compass 
> Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  A splendid 
> choice for commuting.
>
>
> I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 1.5 
> tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I got 3 
> flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of a 
> PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not 
> strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 
> Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not 
> a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought 
> about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard 
> for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience , 
> YMMV. 
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote: 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings 
>> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life 
>> is only about 1,900 miles for me. 
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Tim Gavin]

That's a good price.  But, I disagree that wire bead Paselas provide 80% of
the performance of standard casing Compass tires of the same size.

On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10),
I'd give standard casing Compass tires a 9 (9.5 for EL casing), and wire
bead Paselas with Tourguard a 5.5 or 6.

My opinion, obviously.  No rolling drum tests were performed in the
creation of this opinion, just seat of my pants.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for
> about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding
> tires.
>
>
>
> And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at Niagra
> Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing Compass
> Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  A splendid
> choice for commuting.
>
>
> I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 1.5
> tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I got 3
> flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of a
> PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not
> strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32
> Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not
> a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought
> about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard
> for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience ,
> YMMV.
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings
>> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life
>> is only about 1,900 miles for me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2017 09:09 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for 
about 10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but 
fine-riding tires.



And at $25 each (for the tan sidewall wire bead unbelted 700x32C at 
Niagra Cycle) they're less than half the price of a standard casing 
Compass Stampede Pass ($57 ea) for probably 80-85% of the performance.  
A splendid choice for commuting.



I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 
1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. 
I got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a 
bit of a PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the 
gods not strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the 
extralight 700 X 32 Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a 
pop they're definitely not a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I 
have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought about Compass tires but I think I'll 
stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard for now. The folding bead tires 
are not egregiously heavy. My experience , YMMV.


On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the
gravel kings a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari
Motos but the tread life is only about 1,900 miles for me.



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[RBW] Shimano R701 STI levers for sale

[stevef]

I have for sale a pair of lightly used Shimano R-701 STI road levers, 2X10 
speed, older exposed shift cable-models. They work great and aren't 
scratched up much, just a small scuff on one lever tip. They're the short 
reach model made for smaller hands, with Ultegra level internals. Available 
for pick up in the Lansing, MI area, or will ship for a bit more money. 
Looking for $100 or best offer. 

I also have a scuffed but functional Ultegra rear derailer and 105 front 
derailer to match, for another $40 or so.  And an 11-32 cassette, STX 
level, I believe, for another $20 or so.  Package offers welcome!

Thanks, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Dan]

Kevin, I have an '83 Expedition (65cm) that has 73.5/73.5 angles and a 
surprisingly lively ride. Moreso than the 60cm HIllborne I owned briefly. 
However, with a rear load my Expedition sways quite noticeably when you're 
pedaling hard. Moving the load amidships and upfront makes it behave much 
better. Not sure if some of this is due to the large frame, but that's my 
experience anyway.  I use the bike primarily for commuting and I love it; 
it feels fast and comfortable.

Dan

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:54:55 AM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

> Greetings.
> I'm in the process of building up a 1983 Specialized Expedition (which is 
> a really lovely bike).  From a distance, the frame looks to have more or 
> less the same geometry as the AHH or, possibly, the Atlantis.  Does anyone 
> have experience with the vintage Expeditions such that he or she could 
> compare its ride to one of the Rivs? 
> Thanks,
> Kevin Lindsey
> Alexandria, VA
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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Tim Gavin]

Zappaloosa!  I love it!

You could ride it down to St. Alphonso's pancake breakfast, in a Mexican
poncho!

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:19 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> I think the green Clem is beautiful. I helped my bro in law set up his
> green 65 cm. HUGE beauty.
>
> I was guessing the new Appa color would be that.
>
> One could get the mustard Appaloosa, call it the Zappaloosa, and put a
> Yellow Snow sticker on it.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Richard about color matching your bikes. I love the old
> Cheviot green which I think is the new Appa green, but I think it's going
> to be too similar to your Clem if you plan on keeping that one, too. Btw, I
> had a green Clem (replaced by blue Joe), and I agree about the color: It's
> just ok.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm NOS Proto-Appaloosa

[PaulM]

On Sunday, 26 February 2017 20:22:11 UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Really? That's a suprise. It is a great frame and will make someone very 
> happy. 
>
> Chris
>


Proto-Appaloosa is going to a good home *sold* 

 

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Re: [RBW] New RBW newsletter - "New bikes" ?

[Belopsky]

Ahh yes perhaps - "Our next round of Joe Appaloosa 

 knockabout 
touring frames and bikes are coming in two weeks. These next ones are 
coming in a dark green and a grey/silver color. Available for a reduced 
*presale* price of $2300. "

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:21:08 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
> I interpreted it as Appaloosas arriving in the new colors. Maybe some 
> other shipments of current models?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Belopsky  
> wrote:
>
> Anyone else catch the "new bikes March 15th" note?
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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Ryan Fleming]

Those Miyatas were and still are excellent touring bikes and very well- 
made. I saw a couple of them when I rode with a touring club in the 80's. 
Nice bikes as were the early Specialized Expeditions. Touring Cannondales ( 
I owned one T700, I think) were great for loaded touring too I think 
perhaps the 80's were a golden age for touring bikes. On another thread 
we've talked about run what you brung , but a purpose-built touring bike is 
really  a pleasure

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:08:22 PM UTC-6, Bill M. wrote:
>
> I have a sister to your Expedition, an '84 Miyata 1000.  I'm the original 
> owner.  AFAIK Miyata built the Expedition's for Spec.  The geo differs just 
> a bit, mostly in the steeper ST angle of the Spec.  The actual geo of my 
> Miyata is very close to that of an AHH in the same size.  I have not ridden 
> the AHH, but I am sure the Miyata is MUCH stiffer.  I was told BITD that 
> the DT was 1.2 mm / 1.0 mm / 1.2 mm with the other tubes in proportion. 
>  Not 'planing' territory by any means.  It rides a bit like a brick 
> unloaded, but gets pleasantly more lively with a rear load.  
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:54:55 AM UTC-8, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Greetings.
>> I'm in the process of building up a 1983 Specialized Expedition (which is 
>> a really lovely bike).  From a distance, the frame looks to have more or 
>> less the same geometry as the AHH or, possibly, the Atlantis.  Does anyone 
>> have experience with the vintage Expeditions such that he or she could 
>> compare its ride to one of the Rivs? 
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin Lindsey
>> Alexandria, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver or green Joe?

[Ryan Fleming]

 Not  matchy myself (Burgundy, metallic green and harvest gold aka mustard )

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-6, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Based on my personal experience I say go silver here is why. Somehow I 
> ended up with 3 greenish Rivs at one point in time, an atlantis, simpleone, 
> and proto hunqa. My wife walks into the garage one day and says my bikes 
> are cute because of the ombre color scheme! Cute and ombre not what I want 
> to hear about my manly beast bicycles, I cringed !) But seriously Riv seems 
> to do alot of green frames. Seems like the silvers and mustards show up a 
> bit less. So if you plan on having more than one Riv and don't want em to 
> end up all matchy matchy cute ombre style grab a silver or orange or 
> mustard when they come up...
>
> Richard"please don't call me Kermit" Rios
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell uses BikeFlights

[Ryan Fleming]

I can tell you, they do a meticulous packing job. Everything is neatly 
stowed and very well-protected and I am sure every bike that Rivendell 
ships gets their A-class packing job. All 3 of my bikes were very carefully 
packed; it's a Riv signature

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 7:59:33 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> I suppose I took the shipping price too literal compared to another online 
> store where I figure I'm paying postage and that's essentially it. Packing 
> is a pain no doubt, I thought those costs may be accounted for in item 
> prices to some degree as well. I typically use shipbikes.com and have 
> shipped bikes all over for around $100, box from local shop is $5-$10, pipe 
> insulation and time. I've not personally witnessed their packing but I hope 
> to soon and will appreciate the effort. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New tires, perhaps?

[Ryan Fleming]

Have to say, I am still a big fan of the Paselas( been using them for about 
10 years) , especially for commuting. They are rugged but fine-riding 
tires. I did buy 2 sets of Compass McLure Passes  to replace my Pasela 26 X 
1.5 tires for my allrounder and X0-1; the X0-1 is one of my commuters. I 
got 3 flats in a couple of months with the Compass tires which was a bit of 
a PITA but they are more performance oriented.Normally (may the gods not 
strike me down for this) I rarely get flats. I love the extralight 700 X 32 
Stampede Passes on my road bike but at 78 USD a pop they're definitely not 
a practical commuter tire. On my mixte I have 650B X 42 Paselas...thought 
about Compass tires but I think I'll stick with the Paselas w. Tourguard 
for now. The folding bead tires are not egregiously heavy. My experience , 
YMMV. 

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info.   I still use paselas but will give the gravel kings 
> a try next time new rubber is needed.  I love Pari Motos but the tread life 
> is only about 1,900 miles for me. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017, 3:45 PM, Tim Gavin <
> tim@littlevillagemag.com > wrote:
>
> Panaracer Gravel Kings are a good choice.  They're similar to the 
> lightweight Pari-Moto tires, but with an added puncture protection layer.  
> On the suppleness scale (rock hard tires are 0, handmade tubulars are 10), 
> I'd give them a 7 to 7.5.  
> A good compromise tire.  They've supplanted the old Panaracer Pasela in 
> that duty for my personal recommendation.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Jon, you're brilliant and you're RIGHT. The tape had shifted, and the room 
> sliced the tube. I also took your suggestion of Panaracer tires and ran 
> with it.
>
> I ordered new tires - Panaracer Gravel something or other - the shop owner 
> and I sat and talked about what I wanted in a tire and what these tires had 
> to offer. I said I'd gladly pay for the new tires but he says he's going to 
> cut me a deal. I think these tires will be a good choice, but it even if 
> not, I'm sticking with them. I'm not buying any more tires for another five 
> years! So there!
>
> So ends this ridiculously long thread!
>
> PS While I was waiting, another woman walked in;  young, single, exuberant 
> and in a fun career as a Saucony rep. She had just scored a melon and blue 
> Electra off Craigslist for a fraction of the price. Basket, sweepy bars, 
> all the romantic things. The seller had it on a bike rack and had been hit 
> by another car. The bike had some bend over the chain guard and she was so 
> hoping it could be fixed so she could ride around California in style. She 
> hasn't had a bike in years. They fixed it right up, free of charge and I 
> asked her if she wanted to take a victory lap in the parking lot. She did, 
> so I took all the flattering photos I could for her and it was a whole lot 
> of girliness right there. The men didn't protest. 
>
> I have renewed love for the bike shop now.
>
> PPS I really liked that young woman right off the bat because she fussed 
> over my bike. A quick way to my heart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
> Learn to fix flats -- it's not hard, and if you carry a spare tube or 2 
> and fix the puncture proper at home, you can be back on the road in a few 
> minutes -- usually faster than walking to your destination. The longest 
> part is pumping the tire, and even this can be minimized and the effort 
> reduced by using a really good pump. My favorites are the old Zefal HPx or 
> the much newer Lezyne that converts into a little footpump (far better IME 
> than the Topeak equivalent).
>
> "New tires" -- you * can* get thorn proof (so called) tubes that are 
> about 3-4 mm thick on the bottom and tremendously heavy, and fill those 
> with sealant. I personally hate them and belted tires and simply learned to 
> fix flats quickly, but this combination does work against at least narrow 
> penetrants. 
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> As I type this, I am walking my bike. Why, you ask? Because I have a rear 
> flat. All worries of offending the LBS have currently gone out the window. 
> I will be swinging by there today asking for new tires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:18 PM, RichS  
> wrote:
> >
> > I better inspect my Synergies now!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
> >
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[RBW] Re: Silver or green Joe?

[Garth]

Gotta say from experience with any silver bike ... if you're gonna do 
silver make it metallic !   W o W !!! 



On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-5, scott wrote:
>
> I've long held out for an Atlantis. I'm really thinking about a Joe. I 
> bought my wife one and it is a seriously boss bike. Hers is the nice blue. 
> I loved the mustard. Wish I'd picked one of those up. I have a green Clem 
> and think it is a fine color. Not real exciting, but fine. Can't really get 
> a feel for the silver. What are other preorder or interested folks thinking 
> of the new colors? 

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[RBW] Re: cool new geometry section on rivbike.com

[Garth]

Yes Chris I agree. For those of us who have a real good idea of what works 
for us we look at other specific factors of a chart based on our actual 
experiences. I don't find pbh very pertinent myself. Everyone has different 
wants and needs looks at other factors.

I knew a 60 cm. Bombadil was a real good fit for me when I saw the geometry 
chart and it met those expectations !  As much as I'd like another stock 
model I have yet to find one that can meet or exceed the Bomba fit . 

You know what's funny, despite all the talk of 650b wheels from way back, 
Riv only offers them on specific sizes.  I know they had one all 650b 
model, but with more tires becoming available maybe that will change. 



On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 7:51:37 AM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I was carefully measured for my Seven bike and I know what works well for 
> me both in a saddle height and top tube length.  I use that to guide which 
> size I would choose. That said, I was told that a 51 Sam would not fit me. 
> I went ahead and bought one and it fits me well and the saddle is not close 
> to slammed at all.  Not sure what the take away is but I tend to make my 
> own decisions on which would for me and it's worked so far over 4 Rivendells

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[RBW] Re: New RBW newsletter - "New bikes" ?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beware The Ides of March.

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:00:52 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Anyone else catch the "new bikes March 15th" note?
>
>

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[RBW] cool new geometry section on rivbike.com

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was carefully measured for my Seven bike and I know what works well for me 
both in a saddle height and top tube length.  I use that to guide which size I 
would choose. That said, I was told that a 51 Sam would not fit me. I went 
ahead and bought one and it fits me well and the saddle is not close to slammed 
at all.  Not sure what the take away is but I tend to make my own decisions on 
which would for me and it's worked so far over 4 Rivendells

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[RBW] WTB/WTT B68 or C19 black

[WETH]

I am looking to buy or trade for a black Brooks B68 or C19 saddle-used or new.  
For trade I have a used brown B68 saddle I'd be willing to trade for your used 
black one or for a used Brooks C19.  My Brown B68 pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/DW3331
My brown B68 is only available as part of a trade and not for sale on its own.
Thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have a green Cheviot and a green Quickbeam and a green ANT bike so that color 
is well represented in my stable. Seems like Riv loves to stay with greens, 
blues and orange on bikes

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Re: [RBW] Silver or green Joe?

[Philip Kim]

The silver one is pictured on their newsletter. it's pretty cool, but i 
prefer the green.

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:08:12 AM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I, too, have a hard time picturing what the silver would look like as a 
> full frame. Especially around the lugs. Could be rad or could be just fine. 

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[RBW] cool new geometry section on rivbike.com

[Garth]

Yes, it can be very revealing. Take those pbh recommendations as they are, not 
limits. Some are a bit of a stretch but that comes with any general type 
recommendation. 

I find the addition of stack and reach to be really helpful and great ! 

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