Re: [RBW] Compass tires for Sam

[James Warren]

Barlow Pass and Sam Hillborne are a perfect combo. They ride amazing, and I 
don’t even use the extra light casing version.

I’ll bet Soma Supple Vitesse 700x42 would be even better though. They can fit, 
so why not?



> On Apr 16, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Carla Waugh  wrote:
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> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? I'll 
> mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have the cream colored Hetres on. Highly recommend them

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[RBW] Re: It's going to be a 'long' weekend (or probably a few)

[Philip Kim]

I had the exact same problem with my drop outs. Couldn't quit get it to sit 
flush. I sanded down the paint to get it in.

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[RBW] Re: It's going to be a 'long' weekend (or probably a few)

[Ash A]

Thanks Philip.  I was already feeling like fatter tire is a better match 
for the demeanor of this bike.  Glad I picked up yours.

"If it won't fit don't force it."  and "Let the bike teach you" are very 
useful advices.  Velo Orange rear hub wouldn't slide into drop outs. First 
thought was to force it, thinking that the pain might be extra thick there. 
On a second thought, I decided to slightly file the part of the hub that 
sits inside the dropouts. 

Overall, 40% done.  (had thought I would be 80% done this weekend).




On Saturday, 15 April 2017 15:32:13 UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Best of luck! Your tires are going to be dropped off at the post office 
> Monday! 
>
> I just got mine fully built last week, still dialing in the fit, but I 
> think you will be pleasantly surprised! 
>
> For me, the bars are up high! About a few inches from the saddle, feels 
> better that way without giving up too much in the way of "speed" (or the 
> perception of).
>
> Best of luck!
>
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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

I use Barlow Pass currently but I'm about to put Steilacooms on for a 
summer of trail shredding

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> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? 
> I'll mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. 
> Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; I know you've carried such loads in such containers, so I trust
your judgment.

The rack will easily hold 25 lb; I was more concerned about the bag falling
off the rack.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Absolutely, with room to spare. Obvious caveat is the load is higher and
> physics and fulcrums and leverage and all that, but that doesn't really
> mean anything until you are on trails rather than roads, where a load with
> any sway adds adventure to your day! Grin.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2007 NEW 56CM GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/FORK (LATE MODEL #RB1100)

[Leslie]

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:12:18 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Tinking, "Can I convert this to 650B and ride it or will it still be too 
> big?"   Gosh what a wonderful opportunity!


Since I did a 650b conversion, I should be one of the ones to say, the 
official RBW answer on Rambouillet conversions to 650b is, "the BB would be 
too low" but that was said when the normal tire width was a 32.

I think it works fine if you use a 650b-42 like Hetre or equivalent. But, 
using a 42 means that your tire height is close to a 700c-25.  So, if a 
56cm on 700c wheels would be too big, then I would think that the 56 would 
still be too big.  I mean, yeah, you could use a 32 tire instead, but, 
you'll start to run into more of a risk of having pedal strikes.  The 
reason to do a conversion is to run fatter tires, right?  If you're going 
to run less than a 32, I'd leave it as a 700c...  

Although I love my Bomba, and I usually am putting more miles on my 
canti-Rom anymore since I've got it set up for my more usual mixed-terrain 
riding, if I was going for a longer road ride I'd be on my Ram in a 
heartbeat, it was my first Riv and still my favorite.   
 

It is a beautiful frame:  I hope someone snatched it up.   

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[Leslie]

There used to be a Toyo Hilsen and a Waterford Hilsen side-by-side at MSL, 
they were slightly different shades of each other.  



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>
> Saw Will's AHH on the Staff Bikes. Is it just me or did the color change 
> slighty?  It looks great!
>
> Also, I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of a 52cm AHH? Can't seem 
> to find any on the internet, but I know there was a 52cm that sold here 
> recently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Grant Petersen]

I spelled all of them wrong. I give up on those words.

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>
> (By the way, you spelled occasions wrong.)
>
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> On Apr 16, 2017 18:05, "Grant Petersen"  wrote:
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> I'm a good speller except for occassions, diahrhea, characature... the CT
> was just a fastly typed typo. I don't sweat the spellings for these posts,
> don't go over them.
>
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>> Just so's ya knows, if you didn't already, Grant is what you might call a
>> creative grammarist, or a poetic speller. I do not know if that applies in
>> this particular case, but consider, *blug* is not how you spell 
>> *blog*--though
>> it is closer than *blahg*. Here is a recent headline. Try to find the
>> spelling "errors": "Le SLIVER CARNK & below that, some new joe Appaloosa
>> photos." If you search his writing, you'll likely find one or two more
>> examples. But then again, maybe he got it mixed up with Mississippi and all
>> those homogeneous digraphs. If in fact it was a mistake, Grant is minor
>> league compared to the 63 most common mispellings of Connecticut found
>> here . Talk about creative.
>>
>> Mark "not a Connecticuter, Connecticutian, or Nutmegger, but grew up in
>> Northport, NY, right across the Long Island Sound from Norwalk, now living
>> in Beacon, near another long, tidal river" Roland
>>
>> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
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>>>
>>>- I know that the Sackvilles in all their made-in-Connecticut glory
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Shawn Granton]

Oh, there was more than one occasion. ;-)

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> I think occasions was the example
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[drew]

I think occasions was the example

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Shawn Granton]

Thanks! I'm going to save this up for the Grant Petersen spelling bee.

(By the way, you spelled occasions wrong.)

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On Apr 16, 2017 18:05, "Grant Petersen"  wrote:

I'm a good speller except for occassions, diahrhea, characature... the CT
was just a fastly typed typo. I don't sweat the spellings for these posts,
don't go over them.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just so's ya knows, if you didn't already, Grant is what you might call a
> creative grammarist, or a poetic speller. I do not know if that applies in
> this particular case, but consider, *blug* is not how you spell *blog*--though
> it is closer than *blahg*. Here is a recent headline. Try to find the
> spelling "errors": "Le SLIVER CARNK & below that, some new joe Appaloosa
> photos." If you search his writing, you'll likely find one or two more
> examples. But then again, maybe he got it mixed up with Mississippi and all
> those homogeneous digraphs. If in fact it was a mistake, Grant is minor
> league compared to the 63 most common mispellings of Connecticut found
> here . Talk about creative.
>
> Mark "not a Connecticuter, Connecticutian, or Nutmegger, but grew up in
> Northport, NY, right across the Long Island Sound from Norwalk, now living
> in Beacon, near another long, tidal river" Roland
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>>
>>- I know that the Sackvilles in all their made-in-Connecticut glory
>>(there's only one "T" at the end of Connecticut, Grant. ;-) )
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Grant Petersen]

I'm a good speller except for occassions, diahrhea, characature... the CT
was just a fastly typed typo. I don't sweat the spellings for these posts,
don't go over them.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just so's ya knows, if you didn't already, Grant is what you might call a
> creative grammarist, or a poetic speller. I do not know if that applies in
> this particular case, but consider, *blug* is not how you spell *blog*--though
> it is closer than *blahg*. Here is a recent headline. Try to find the
> spelling "errors": "Le SLIVER CARNK & below that, some new joe Appaloosa
> photos." If you search his writing, you'll likely find one or two more
> examples. But then again, maybe he got it mixed up with Mississippi and all
> those homogeneous digraphs. If in fact it was a mistake, Grant is minor
> league compared to the 63 most common mispellings of Connecticut found
> here . Talk about creative.
>
> Mark "not a Connecticuter, Connecticutian, or Nutmegger, but grew up in
> Northport, NY, right across the Long Island Sound from Norwalk, now living
> in Beacon, near another long, tidal river" Roland
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>>
>>- I know that the Sackvilles in all their made-in-Connecticut glory
>>(there's only one "T" at the end of Connecticut, Grant. ;-) )
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[RBW] Compass tires for Sam

[Carla Waugh]

Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? I'll 
mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa build - beta version

[Sky Coulter]

It's on a truck for delivery to a post office box in blaine. I live across 
the border in the lower mainland bc, so I'll have to drive down to pick it 
up.  It should be delivered Tuesday and I'm hoping to get a chance to get 
down there Wednesday or Thursday.  No need for measurements yet -- I'll be 
taking my time to set it up. In the end if the fit doesn't work, then I'll 
probably offer the frame up on the list at a buyer's remorse discount.  But 
I'm still hopeful it'll work out they way I hope.

Sky in new west 

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:45:04 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Hi Sky and thanks...
>
> Except for the strong rider part, I may very well resemble your friend!  I 
> laugh even as I type it, but, yeah, I should probably at least go see(!) a 
> doctor to get their opinion.  I have been so lucky most of my life (and am 
> now 64, so a good run...) that I always believe either self healing or 
> ignoring the problem is the answer.  Worked before, why not now?
>
> Let me know if you want any measurements from my frame or set-up.  I also 
> have a few Nitto stems (including a dirt drop) and bars I could put on to 
> measure things.  I probably would not make it rideable (changing cabling, 
> etc.) but the measurements could be done.  I might do it just to compare 
> reality with perception.  I will say, I had given a little too much weight 
> to reports of long, long top tubes or so it feels at the moment.  Or... 
> maybe some experiments will prove that out.
>
> I was thinking about your idea...  One thing is, if you want bars lower 
> than saddle height, then the smaller frame will definitely help with that. 
>  Also, and people are welcome to laugh at and correct as needed, and I will 
> probably misuse terms, but the effective top tube or reach should increase 
> with more seat post showing.  People always remind that a higher stem 
> height reduces reach so it seems to me a higher seat post should increase 
> that reach.  Maybe negligible, but still...
>
> Anyway, let me know if you want me to measure stuff.  When do you get your 
> frame?? 
>
> Bob
>
> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 4:26:04 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> It looks great! Seeing it makes me second guess my decision about getting 
>> a 55cm.  Hope your knee gets better.  One of the guys i bike across canada 
>> w was 68 and had had knee replacement surgery a couple years before.  He 
>> was a strong rider and felt like he shoulda had the surgery years earlier.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks!  And I do totally agree about the comfort part.  I might experiment 
more with handlebars, but only to work out more hand positions and possible 
lean angles.  We have more than our share of wind here so having ways to 
work with that might be a good thing.  That said, the bike is absolutely 
comfortable and fun.  I came home from a short ride with the idea of doing 
chores or whatever... I came in, I looked at the bike, then outside at the 
sun, and just went back out for another ride.  The chores waited patiently 
until I returned... :>)  

Bob
  

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Bob:
>
> Congrats on a beautiful build.  The silver is especially pleasant, and 
> creme head tube a subtle touch.  Nice choice of parts.  I think you're 
> going to appreciate this bike more & more as you spend time on it.  Comfort 
> is king.
>
> dougP
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Sky and thanks...

Except for the strong rider part, I may very well resemble your friend!  I 
laugh even as I type it, but, yeah, I should probably at least go see(!) a 
doctor to get their opinion.  I have been so lucky most of my life (and am 
now 64, so a good run...) that I always believe either self healing or 
ignoring the problem is the answer.  Worked before, why not now?

Let me know if you want any measurements from my frame or set-up.  I also 
have a few Nitto stems (including a dirt drop) and bars I could put on to 
measure things.  I probably would not make it rideable (changing cabling, 
etc.) but the measurements could be done.  I might do it just to compare 
reality with perception.  I will say, I had given a little too much weight 
to reports of long, long top tubes or so it feels at the moment.  Or... 
maybe some experiments will prove that out.

I was thinking about your idea...  One thing is, if you want bars lower 
than saddle height, then the smaller frame will definitely help with that. 
 Also, and people are welcome to laugh at and correct as needed, and I will 
probably misuse terms, but the effective top tube or reach should increase 
with more seat post showing.  People always remind that a higher stem 
height reduces reach so it seems to me a higher seat post should increase 
that reach.  Maybe negligible, but still...

Anyway, let me know if you want me to measure stuff.  When do you get your 
frame?? 

Bob

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 4:26:04 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> It looks great! Seeing it makes me second guess my decision about getting 
> a 55cm.  Hope your knee gets better.  One of the guys i bike across canada 
> w was 68 and had had knee replacement surgery a couple years before.  He 
> was a strong rider and felt like he shoulda had the surgery years earlier.
>
> Sky in new west
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[dougP]

Bob:

Congrats on a beautiful build.  The silver is especially pleasant, and 
creme head tube a subtle touch.  Nice choice of parts.  I think you're 
going to appreciate this bike more & more as you spend time on it.  Comfort 
is king.

dougP

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 11:48:50 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
> set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This 
> is very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It 
> will, I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 
> 27f up front), a B LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of 
> the nice parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell 
> saddle bag?! 
>
> Current build:
> Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
> (12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
> Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
> Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
> Old school XT derailleurs
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
> Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
> triple
>
> I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my 
> last real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest 
> of me so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here. 
>  But here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it 
> could be.
>
> Impressions so far...
>
> At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
> door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
> perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a 
> pbh of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at 
> least not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at 
> times it seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very 
> maneuverable even at slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose 
> bars help with that I think but I have to say I was surprised to find the 
> bars so,  well, relaxed!  I would have thought they would feel a little 
> more aggressive down as low as they go but they are about level with the 
> saddle and feel a little higher than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed 
> to get the bars up high without craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars 
> could probably lower things if needed, not that I need.  My other preferred 
> bars these days are MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much 
> different than the Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am 
> only guessing but I also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I 
> decided (probably with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will. 
>  Good to have options and ways to experiment though.
>
> One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
> 8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
> work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
> any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it 
> all to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using 
> the special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.
>
> Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build. 
>  Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
> better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, 
> so one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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[RBW] Re: Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Deacon Patrick]

Absolutely, with room to spare. Obvious caveat is the load is higher and 
physics and fulcrums and leverage and all that, but that doesn't really 
mean anything until you are on trails rather than roads, where a load with 
any sway adds adventure to your day! Grin.

Happy Easter!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote
>
>
> So my question is: with Large Saddlesack strapped to rack and held in 
> place by saddle straps, can I confidently carry a, say 25 lb load over 
> moderately bumpy dirt roads without fearing loss of load and bags?
>
> I'm pointing one of my 11 fingers directly at you, Deacon P!)
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[RBW] Re: Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Garth]

Will your rack support 25+ pounds  ?

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa build - beta version

[Sky Coulter]

Bob,

It looks great! Seeing it makes me second guess my decision about getting a 
55cm.  Hope your knee gets better.  One of the guys i bike across canada w was 
68 and had had knee replacement surgery a couple years before.  He was a strong 
rider and felt like he shoulda had the surgery years earlier.

Sky in new west

> On Apr 16, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
> 
> Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
> set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This is 
> very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It will, 
> I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 27f up 
> front), a B LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of the nice 
> parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell saddle bag?! 
> 
> Current build:
> Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
> (12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
> Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
> Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
> Old school XT derailleurs
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
> Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
> triple
> 
> I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my last 
> real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest of me 
> so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here.  But 
> here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it could be.
> 
> Impressions so far...
> 
> At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
> door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
> perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a pbh 
> of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at least 
> not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at times it 
> seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very maneuverable even at 
> slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose bars help with that I 
> think but I have to say I was surprised to find the bars so,  well, relaxed!  
> I would have thought they would feel a little more aggressive down as low as 
> they go but they are about level with the saddle and feel a little higher 
> than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed to get the bars up high without 
> craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars could probably lower things if 
> needed, not that I need.  My other preferred bars these days are 
> MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much different than the 
> Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am only guessing but I 
> also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I decided (probably 
> with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will.  Good to have options 
> and ways to experiment though.
> 
> One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
> 8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
> work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
> any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it all 
> to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using the 
> special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.
> 
> Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build.  
> Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
> better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, so 
> one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726
> 
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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[RBW] Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Patrick Moore]

Hitherto all my carry-bags have been suspended, so that contents hang from
the attachment point -- be these panniers hanging from a rack, or
saddlebags hanging from the saddle.

My new-to-me Large Saddlesack is my Matthews's current large load carrier;
it will be supported by a rack, strapped thereto with 2 toestraps, and the
straps to the saddle (either directly to rails or by means of VO bolt-on
loops) will merely hold it steady.

Now with the hanging method, the weight of your load itself helps keeps the
bag in place. With the bag supported by the rack platform, it may tend to
send the bag off to one side or another.

So my question is: with Large Saddlesack strapped to rack and held in place
by saddle straps, can I confidently carry a, say 25 lb load over moderately
bumpy dirt roads without fearing loss of load and bags?

I'd rather not go in blind if others have experience of such carriage (and
I'm pointing one of my 11 fingers directly at you, Deacon P!).

Thanks, Patrick Moore

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Mattt]

Austin,

I have, but am getting a recumbent.  I have never owned one, but recently been 
riding them and a life changing experience for me.  I am going to get a Clem as 
my around town, riding with the kids bike.  Thanks for the advice though.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Austin B]

Ever think to do a swap with someone who has a 62cm Hillborne which might 
be touch on the small side for them?


On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-4, Mattt wrote:
>
> Johnny,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  I have tried about everything, but cannot get 
> comfortable on it.  It is time to move on.
>
>
> Bill,
> It is silver top mounted on a Velo Orange thumb mount.  Thanks for the 
> catch.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: carradice longflap, Tubus rack, Paul, jandd

[drew]

The Tubus rack is gone. All else is available

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[RBW] Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This 
is very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It 
will, I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 
27f up front), a B LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of 
the nice parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell 
saddle bag?! 

Current build:
Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
(12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
Old school XT derailleurs
Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
triple

I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my 
last real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest 
of me so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here. 
 But here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it 
could be.

Impressions so far...

At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a 
pbh of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at 
least not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at 
times it seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very 
maneuverable even at slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose 
bars help with that I think but I have to say I was surprised to find the 
bars so,  well, relaxed!  I would have thought they would feel a little 
more aggressive down as low as they go but they are about level with the 
saddle and feel a little higher than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed 
to get the bars up high without craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars 
could probably lower things if needed, not that I need.  My other preferred 
bars these days are MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much 
different than the Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am 
only guessing but I also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I 
decided (probably with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will. 
 Good to have options and ways to experiment though.

One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it 
all to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using 
the special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.

Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build. 
 Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, 
so one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: carradice longflap, Tubus rack, Paul, jandd

[drew]

Ah, good info. Thanks. Let's say 100$ shipped 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Shawn Granton]

Well, there is that thing called "spell check. 

Shawn "hates seeing that red squiggly line under words" Granton, who lives
by not one, but two long tidal rivers to make up for no longer living in
the Constitution State


On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Just so's ya knows, if you didn't already, Grant is what you might call a
> creative grammarist, or a poetic speller. I do not know if that applies in
> this particular case, but consider, *blug* is not how you spell *blog*--though
> it is closer than *blahg*. Here is a recent headline. Try to find the
> spelling "errors": "Le SLIVER CARNK & below that, some new joe Appaloosa
> photos." If you search his writing, you'll likely find one or two more
> examples. But then again, maybe he got it mixed up with Mississippi and all
> those homogeneous digraphs. If in fact it was a mistake, Grant is minor
> league compared to the 63 most common mispellings of Connecticut found
> here . Talk about creative.
>
> Mark "not a Connecticuter, Connecticutian, or Nutmegger, but grew up in
> Northport, NY, right across the Long Island Sound from Norwalk, now living
> in Beacon, near another long, tidal river" Roland
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>>
>>- I know that the Sackvilles in all their made-in-Connecticut glory
>>(there's only one "T" at the end of Connecticut, Grant. ;-) )
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just so's ya knows, if you didn't already, Grant is what you might call a 
creative grammarist, or a poetic speller. I do not know if that applies in 
this particular case, but consider, *blug* is not how you spell *blog*--though 
it is closer than *blahg*. Here is a recent headline. Try to find the 
spelling "errors": "Le SLIVER CARNK & below that, some new joe Appaloosa 
photos." If you search his writing, you'll likely find one or two more 
examples. But then again, maybe he got it mixed up with Mississippi and all 
those homogeneous digraphs. If in fact it was a mistake, Grant is minor 
league compared to the 63 most common mispellings of Connecticut found here 
. Talk about creative.

Mark "not a Connecticuter, Connecticutian, or Nutmegger, but grew up in 
Northport, NY, right across the Long Island Sound from Norwalk, now living 
in Beacon, near another long, tidal river" Roland

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
>
>- I know that the Sackvilles in all their made-in-Connecticut glory 
>(there's only one "T" at the end of Connecticut, Grant. ;-) ) 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: carradice longflap, Tubus rack, Paul, jandd

[Shawn Granton]

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:35:03 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
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> -carradice camper longflap. New, but has been sitting for a year or so. 
> The leather on this one is much thicker than on a smaller carradice I use 
> more frequently. Disclosure: it doesn't say camper anywhere on this, and I 
> have little recollection of buying it, but measurements match up with what 
> carradice has listed for the camper. 110$ shipped
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Drew-
The Carradice bag you have looks to be a Nelson longflap, not a Camper 
longflap. Still a good bag, and big, but not Camper big.

The way to tell is on the flaps: The Camper has metal "D" loops for straps:
http://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/originals-camper-longflap-saddlebag

Whereas the Nelson has a leather covered "slot" for straps:
http://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/originals-nelson-longflap-saddlebag

yours,
shawn
 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Mattt]

Johnny,

Thanks for the feedback.  I have tried about everything, but cannot get 
comfortable on it.  It is time to move on.


Bill,
It is silver top mounted on a Velo Orange thumb mount.  Thanks for the 
catch.



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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Bill Lindsay]

The only thing I think you missed was the shifter, which appears to be a 
Silver top-mounted on a Paul or IRD thumbie.

BL in EC
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Jonathan D.]

Thanks for sharing treetop. I like the designs. I bookmarked the page. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

Lowering the price to $900 shipped. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Johnny Alien]

That is a nice bike at a really nice price.  Way too big for me though. 
 Interesting that you feel it's too big but the handlebars are set up way 
high and far away.  To me I think the SH has a long TT length to begin with 
(not Clem long but still pretty long) and that bar setup would make the 
reach even further. I would think a cockpit change would make it feel way 
more comfortable/sized right especially since the seat is not slammed. 
 Good luck either way!

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[RBW] FS: 2007 NEW 56CM GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/FORK (LATE MODEL #RB1100)

[Fullylugged]

Tinking, "Can I convert this to 650B and ride it or will it still be too big?"  
 Gosh what a wonderful opportunity!

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[RBW] FS: Saddlesack xtra small grid-grey

[WETH]

Sold! Thanks!

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