[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[David Person]

I'm sorry to have missed that episode of Friends, but the book version was 
nearly as good.

David

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[LeahFoy]

René, YES, I need a GoPro in my life!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[LeahFoy]

Thanks, you guys. I forgot my pepper spray that day, not that I'd have had it 
together enough to aim anyway. I should have also thought of the bike as a 
shield defense, but I didn't. That would have worked but for the dog in the 
Wald. 

Scary, Panog! Missing part of its snout? Good heavens. What did the dog do 
then? Learned a valuable lesson, no doubt.

Yes, DING DING DING: TBBITW = The Best Bike in the World!

I'm off in the wilds of Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. Let's hope I 
don't have any new encounters with badly behaved animals. A Schnauzer is one 
thing, but a mountain lion or black bear? Not even I could spin that into a 
funny yarn.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Many Parts Brooks, Sackville, Nitto, Phil Wood, Noodles, Sugino, etc.

[Mattt]

Updated list from what was sold.  


Front wheel - Velocity Synergy with Phil Wood hub ($175)


Rear wheel - Velocity Dyad with Phil Wood cassette hub ($250)


Buy both wheels for $375


Shimano 9 speed 11-34t, CS-M770 ($30)


Shimano Deore XT Derailler ($30)


Sugino RD crank 175mm, 130 BCD – No chainring ($60)

-Because there a lot of variants of the Sugino cranks, this is the cranks 
listed on bencycle.

- 
http://www.benscycle.com/p-902-sugino-rd-single-speed-crank-arms-black.aspx

 

44t Wolftooth chainring, Black in color, 130 BCD ($57)


Silver Wolf Tooth chainring bolts, set of 5 ($15)


Buy Crank and chainring together for $105, This combo is great for 1xN, I 
will include the bolts if buying together.


Made in Japan IRD Bottom Bracket – 110mm ($35)


MKS touring prime pedals with power grips.  If you don’t want the power 
grips, I can take them off. ($25)


Brooks B17 Special – Honey in color ($80)


Nitto Technomic Stem – 80mm, 26mm clamp ($22) -I did my best at measuring.


46mm Nitto Noodles ($43)


Tektro RL520 brake levers for v brakes ($15)


Avid Single digit 7 v brakes – ($38)


MKS GR-9 Pedals with clips ($20)


Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers.  I believe the Tiagra is the specific 
model. ($12)

 

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[RBW] Re: WTB-50-52 CM Frame

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Peter,

I know this is probably above, beyond and more... but I sure like the looks 
of this bike and the upgrades it has make sense. 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles/products/roman-spec-clem-smith-jr-l

I don't know the real color, but my monitor makes this bike look great!

Anyway, good luck in the search...

Bob
Galesburg, IL



On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 6:44:56 PM UTC-5, Peter H wrote:
>
> Hey All
>
> I'm looking to set my wife up with a newish/used build for her birthday. 
>
> Looking for a 50-52CM frame but would be open to a complete if it's out 
> there... I was thinking a Cheviot would be a good fit for her but she's not 
> too picky, so I'm trying not to be too!
>
> Comfort is the priority, so I'm open to anything out there.
>
> Bike will be mostly used around town for leisure rides/commuter with our 
> kiddos but also for longer pavement rides and some trail rides on the 
> weekends.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peter
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

[René Sterental]

Thanks! Good to know that the MiniMotos work so well.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 2:57 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I have no experience with the Motolites. I needed a v-brake that would
> work with drop bar brake levers. If I didn't have a stoker on the back, I
> think I could have stood the Santana on the front wheel; those brakes saved
> our lives more than once...
>
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:10:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Thank you both for the feedback.
>>
>> Do you think the braking power of the MiniMotos is the same as the
>> Motolites? I know the Minis are for canti levers and the Motolites are for
>> long pull levers, but I'm talking about pure braking power. Are they the
>> same or is the longer Motolites with the longer cable pull more powerful?
>>
>> René
>>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:04 AM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
> I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT
>>> v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters
>>> and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a
>>> Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley,
>>> and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB-50-52 CM Frame

[Peter H]

Hey All

I'm looking to set my wife up with a newish/used build for her birthday. 

Looking for a 50-52CM frame but would be open to a complete if it's out 
there... I was thinking a Cheviot would be a good fit for her but she's not 
too picky, so I'm trying not to be too!

Comfort is the priority, so I'm open to anything out there.

Bike will be mostly used around town for leisure rides/commuter with our 
kiddos but also for longer pavement rides and some trail rides on the 
weekends.

Thanks!

Peter

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Re: [RBW] (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Patrick Moore]

I mean, "with the b 72 ..."

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...possibly the B 68, though I may be confusing that with the Flyer.
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Re: [RBW] (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Patrick Moore]

This is sort of an aside, but I swear that, if I ever set up an upright
bike, I'll install a B 190, just because. IIRC, there was an even more
elaborate model in the old days that combined coil and loop springs; my
Hero had a Brooks copy with 3 huge chromed loops at each end rear and at
the nose, but IIRC, there was one that had the loops and coils.

More seriously, I've used the Champion Flyer, the B 67, the B 72, and
possibly the B 68, though I may be confusing that with the Flyer. (I've
also used the B 17, B 17 narrow, and the Pro, as well as various other
leather saddles.) At any rate, I never got much use from the springs and
found that the shape affected comfort much more than "give".

I gather that the B 72 is a mean between the unsprung 68 and the coil
spring 67, sort of.

This might help:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/choosing-upright-saddle-brooks-b72-vs.html

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I am loving my new Joe Appaloosa.  I think I officially bought the final
> 55 Silver from Rivelo on Saturday.  I realize my current B17 Saddle isn't a
> great fit for the more upright position.  I am considering the B67 but
> really don't need the springs. The B68 seems like it would be a great
> choice but it is discontinued.  Any advice or thoughts on saddles? Do the
> springs do much in regards to ride feel or weight? Is there a good
> alternative to the B68? I might be interested in purchasing a used B68 or
> I'll stick with a B67.
>
> I'll have to do a right report soon.  So far i am loving the ride. Thanks
> in advance for all of your advice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Carla Waugh]

Great story!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

$825 shipped CONUS. I'm moving in a week and I'd love to get this sold 
before that time. I'll entertain any reasonable offers.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have no experience with the Motolites. I needed a v-brake that would work 
with drop bar brake levers. If I didn't have a stoker on the back, I think 
I could have stood the Santana on the front wheel; those brakes saved our 
lives more than once...

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:10:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

> Thank you both for the feedback. 
>
> Do you think the braking power of the MiniMotos is the same as the 
> Motolites? I know the Minis are for canti levers and the Motolites are for 
> long pull levers, but I'm talking about pure braking power. Are they the 
> same or is the longer Motolites with the longer cable pull more powerful?
>
> René 
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:04 AM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT 
>> v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters 
>> and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a 
>> Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley, 
>> and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Garth]

 The Atlantis came in a 54.5 size .  I have kept all the Riv geo charts 
over the years, the one where it is listed is called original_geometry. I 
just uploaded it to the Drive thingy . 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwiqqlgYXXvxNGo3ZVFTWHZBNkE/view





On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 4:52:09 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-rivendell-atlantis-touring-mountain-bike-22-xl-lugged-steel-shimano-xtr/382050555993
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[RBW] PSA 53cm atlantis on ebay - $800

[Johnny Alien]

I put an offer in on this. It's pretty beat all around so $800 seems high to me 
but maybe he will consider my offer. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Johnny Alien]

Either it was updated or I completely misread which is totally possible. I 
thought it said 535 not 555. Those numbers do seem closest to a 56. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Valerie Yates]

Yes, the Pro's Closet generally sells on consignment and lowers prices over 
time when items don't sell.  Sometimes, they will offer a fixed payment 
upfront for people for whom immediate cash is worth more than the 
additional increment they may obtain through the consignment auction 
process.  The fee structure is here 
.
 
I've done a number of transactions with them. They have a good reputation 
locally. 

Val in Boulder, CO (where anything more than 5 years old is considered 
vintage)




On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:20:23 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I will throw in, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Pro's 
> Closet is many times selling a bike on consignment.  It could be that 
> someone brought them the bike and wants a certain amount back from it.  PC 
> considers, then decides if the bike might sell with the owner's price in 
> mind plus some level of commission.  I could be wrong on that but I believe 
> that to be so.  I have also seen their prices lowered when things don't 
> sell over time.  My assumption has always been that the "owner" has agreed 
> to the drop in price hoping for a sale.
>
> Like I said, I could be wrong, but I was thinking Pro's Closet was, for 
> the most part, a place for consignments, hence some possible overhead in 
> pricing.
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> I've exchanged a couple eBay messages with The Pro's Closet in the past 
>> about some vintage parts. They're always courteous and give plenty of 
>> information. Their bikes and framesets occur to me as overpriced, but then 
>> again, it's hard to put a price tag on used bikes, and as people say here 
>> all the time, they're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. 
>>
>> This particular Atlantis has a really nice bunch of parts, and while it 
>> doesn't fit my wallet nor my skeletal structure, I'm envious of whoever 
>> ends up with it!
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
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[RBW] PSA 53cm atlantis on ebay - $800

[Sky Coulter]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Atlantis-Frameset-53cm-Touring-Bike-26-Bottom-Bracket-Headset-/252885392566?hash=item3ae124dcb6%3Ag%3APREAAOSw5UZY-izk&_trkparms=pageci%253A98fff8c5-26ce-11e7-8844-74dbd180b952%257Cparentrq%253A92235da015b0a847a52d5bcefffbd313%257Ciid%253A2

No affiliation, but seems an alright price

Sky in new west

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[René Sterental]

Close... The Best Bike In The World, if I'm not mistaken. :-)

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

> great story, seems like you post them regularly but I'm new and this is my
> first one. What is TBBITW? I sat around guessing and came up with The
> Biggest Bike In The World? Do I win a cookie!?
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 11:33:24 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> TBBITW and I have put on the miles today. I had loaded up my little
>> American Eskimo Dogg in his Wald basket (he drives a large Wald; he only
>> drives American) on TBBITW to take him to the vet for boarding. The plan
>> was for him to drive his Wald to the vet, drop him off and continue on to
>> school on TBBITW to retrieve my sons. I had gone no further than a few
>> houses before I noticed a neighbor and her off-leash miniature Schnauzer in
>> their yard. "Milo" began to have conniptions, barking and growling and
>> straining, but his mistress had him by his collar, so we exchanged hellos
>> and I pedaled on. Not five seconds later I heard the sound of canine nails
>> scraping pavement at a rapid pace behind me. There was Milo, full of fury
>> and in hot pursuit of me, the Wald-driving Dogg and TBBITW. Was it Wald
>> envy? Backabike bag envy? Doggs-in-high-places envy? We will never know
>> because Milo's not saying.
>>
>> At that moment I had to make a choice. Do I stop so his owner can grab
>> him and hope I won't have to pry my leg loose from his jaw? Do I trust my
>> Dogg, who is now standing up in his Wald not to jump out and retaliate? I
>> looked down at my bare legs. I was wearing my favorite yellow and white
>> striped shorts ("My little lemon drop! My sunflower!" exclaimed my husband
>> this morning.) and open-toe sandals. No. I'd like to keep my flesh, and my
>> shorts look better without bloodstains. I decided he could neither be THAT
>> persistent, nor that fast. I'd take off at a quick pace and he'd give up
>> and go home in less than a block.
>>
>> I rounded the corner with Milo's mistress screaming behind me,
>> "MIIILLOO!!!" but my course was set and my tires were eating up
>> the road before me. I chanced a glance back and unbelievably, Milo was
>> keeping pace! In fact, he was but a few feet behind me! He was lunging for
>> my left Backabike bag! I sent up a silent prayer that I'd have it in me to
>> go faster for longer. I was now on the open road leaving the neighborhood,
>> a quarter mile into the chase. Milo was breathing harder but showed no
>> signs of giving up. I pedaled harder and managed to put 30 feet between us.
>> It was at this point I realized that the enraged and persistent Milo was at
>> risk of becoming roadkill. I wanted to veer onto a sidewalk to get him off
>> the road, but was moving too fast to do it safely - remember, my Dogg is
>> still driving the Wald - not a stable arrangement. I approached an
>> intersection, and noticed a woman in a large white SUV yielding to me at
>> her stop sign. She could clearly see me, but she would not likely see Milo
>> 30 feet behind me until he was under her tires. I had to communicate with
>> her but how? I met her eyes, then turned my head and upper body backwards,
>> as if watching something behind me. It worked. She noticed my pursuer and
>> pulled up to me, slowing.
>>
>> I slowed as she asked through her lowered window, "Is that your dog?"
>>
>> "No!" I yelled, "He's trying to bite me!" Not eloquent, but I was WINDED.
>> Milo saw his chance and seized it with all four canines. He closed the
>> distance and was nearly upon me. I hit the pedals harder and begged my Dogg
>> to sit down in his Wald.
>>
>> She sped off ahead of me, and I thought great, she's left me to deal with
>> him alone. We were now nearing the one mile mark of the chase and the
>> roundabout was looming. I would have to stop and yield to cars here. Milo
>> would surely get his chance at a Leg of Leah. Not even the Wald-driving
>> Dogg and the TBBITW would save me now.
>>
>> Suddenly, a ways ahead of me, the white SUV swerved right and stopped. I
>> passed her and as I looked back, I saw her jump out and intercept Milo!!!
>> He had a collar and I knew he'd be returned home. I nearly laughed with
>> relief as I approached the roundabout and safely swirled downhill toward
>> the vet's.
>>
>> The doorbell rang this evening and there stood Milo's mistress. She had
>> somehow tracked down my address for the sake of profuse apologizing and
>> requests to make this right. I apologized, too. I knew his mistress
>> couldn't catch us and that Milo could have been lost to her forevermore.
>> All's well and there wasn't an ounce of anger between us and Milo is now
>> going to be leashed 100% of the time.
>>
>> If you ever have a similar encounter, may you have a Wald-driving Dogg
>> and a TBBITW to usher you through it.
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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[Davey Two Shoes]

I ride Lou Lou on my trek 460 conversion and Barlow pass on my Vaya. 
They're both extra light and theyre both awesome. They're actually super 
tough too. I mean I take my vaya on seriously rocky single track reserved 
for mountain bikes and the tires have never given up on me.

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Joe Bernard]

The listing claims 55.5 ST, 56.5 TT. I'm fairly certain it's a 56cm frame. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[drew]

it also looks like a 56 to me. no proof, but the proportions look like my 
56 atlantis. 

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Davey Two Shoes]

great story, seems like you post them regularly but I'm new and this is my 
first one. What is TBBITW? I sat around guessing and came up with The 
Biggest Bike In The World? Do I win a cookie!?

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 11:33:24 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> TBBITW and I have put on the miles today. I had loaded up my little 
> American Eskimo Dogg in his Wald basket (he drives a large Wald; he only 
> drives American) on TBBITW to take him to the vet for boarding. The plan 
> was for him to drive his Wald to the vet, drop him off and continue on to 
> school on TBBITW to retrieve my sons. I had gone no further than a few 
> houses before I noticed a neighbor and her off-leash miniature Schnauzer in 
> their yard. "Milo" began to have conniptions, barking and growling and 
> straining, but his mistress had him by his collar, so we exchanged hellos 
> and I pedaled on. Not five seconds later I heard the sound of canine nails 
> scraping pavement at a rapid pace behind me. There was Milo, full of fury 
> and in hot pursuit of me, the Wald-driving Dogg and TBBITW. Was it Wald 
> envy? Backabike bag envy? Doggs-in-high-places envy? We will never know 
> because Milo's not saying. 
>
> At that moment I had to make a choice. Do I stop so his owner can grab him 
> and hope I won't have to pry my leg loose from his jaw? Do I trust my Dogg, 
> who is now standing up in his Wald not to jump out and retaliate? I looked 
> down at my bare legs. I was wearing my favorite yellow and white striped 
> shorts ("My little lemon drop! My sunflower!" exclaimed my husband this 
> morning.) and open-toe sandals. No. I'd like to keep my flesh, and my 
> shorts look better without bloodstains. I decided he could neither be THAT 
> persistent, nor that fast. I'd take off at a quick pace and he'd give up 
> and go home in less than a block. 
>
> I rounded the corner with Milo's mistress screaming behind me, 
> "MIIILLOO!!!" but my course was set and my tires were eating up 
> the road before me. I chanced a glance back and unbelievably, Milo was 
> keeping pace! In fact, he was but a few feet behind me! He was lunging for 
> my left Backabike bag! I sent up a silent prayer that I'd have it in me to 
> go faster for longer. I was now on the open road leaving the neighborhood, 
> a quarter mile into the chase. Milo was breathing harder but showed no 
> signs of giving up. I pedaled harder and managed to put 30 feet between us. 
> It was at this point I realized that the enraged and persistent Milo was at 
> risk of becoming roadkill. I wanted to veer onto a sidewalk to get him off 
> the road, but was moving too fast to do it safely - remember, my Dogg is 
> still driving the Wald - not a stable arrangement. I approached an 
> intersection, and noticed a woman in a large white SUV yielding to me at 
> her stop sign. She could clearly see me, but she would not likely see Milo 
> 30 feet behind me until he was under her tires. I had to communicate with 
> her but how? I met her eyes, then turned my head and upper body backwards, 
> as if watching something behind me. It worked. She noticed my pursuer and 
> pulled up to me, slowing. 
>
> I slowed as she asked through her lowered window, "Is that your dog?" 
>
> "No!" I yelled, "He's trying to bite me!" Not eloquent, but I was WINDED. 
> Milo saw his chance and seized it with all four canines. He closed the 
> distance and was nearly upon me. I hit the pedals harder and begged my Dogg 
> to sit down in his Wald. 
>
> She sped off ahead of me, and I thought great, she's left me to deal with 
> him alone. We were now nearing the one mile mark of the chase and the 
> roundabout was looming. I would have to stop and yield to cars here. Milo 
> would surely get his chance at a Leg of Leah. Not even the Wald-driving 
> Dogg and the TBBITW would save me now. 
>
> Suddenly, a ways ahead of me, the white SUV swerved right and stopped. I 
> passed her and as I looked back, I saw her jump out and intercept Milo!!! 
> He had a collar and I knew he'd be returned home. I nearly laughed with 
> relief as I approached the roundabout and safely swirled downhill toward 
> the vet's. 
>
> The doorbell rang this evening and there stood Milo's mistress. She had 
> somehow tracked down my address for the sake of profuse apologizing and 
> requests to make this right. I apologized, too. I knew his mistress 
> couldn't catch us and that Milo could have been lost to her forevermore. 
> All's well and there wasn't an ounce of anger between us and Milo is now 
> going to be leashed 100% of the time. 
>
> If you ever have a similar encounter, may you have a Wald-driving Dogg and 
> a TBBITW to usher you through it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

[René Sterental]

Thank you both for the feedback.

Do you think the braking power of the MiniMotos is the same as the
Motolites? I know the Minis are for canti levers and the Motolites are for
long pull levers, but I'm talking about pure braking power. Are they the
same or is the longer Motolites with the longer cable pull more powerful?

René

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:04 AM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT
> v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters
> and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a
> Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley,
> and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos.
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Re: [RBW] Re: (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Davey Two Shoes]

I dont think I could get on board with a c-19. I have a c-17 on one of my 
bikes and while I find it comfortable, the material is definitely not as 
forgiving as leather. For an aggressive ride thats fine, but for something 
upright I'd want the real plush effect of leather.

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:40:54 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I haven't tried the wider Cambium but I do have the C-17.  The sides on 
> the back portion of the saddle slope down versus the leather standard ones 
> which are pretty flat across the width.  I find that my butt can not 
> tolerate the slope on the C-17.  Someone on this list tried the wider 
> Cambium and reported the same issue.  I'd still like to try one but without 
> buying it first.
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:58:35 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I had the same question. It sounds like it is similar to the B68 with the 
>> new material.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Phil B]

Jonathan D  said:

I am loving my new Joe Appaloosa.  I think I officially bought the final 55 
Silver from Rivelo on Saturday.  I realize my current B17 Saddle isn't a 
great fit for the more upright position.  I am considering the B67 but 
really don't need the springs. The B68 seems like it would be a great 
choice but it is discontinued.  Any advice or thoughts on saddles?

 Jonathan - I've got a B-72 that I'm no longer using.  It's got about 60 
miles on it, and I found it comfortable for upright riding, which I no 
longer need.
 It's got the curly Q spring in back which is great for those harsh bumps - 
like accidentally riding off a curb, not that I ever did that. Dark Brown. 
 
  Measures:  200W  by  210L   Treated with Obernaufs onlyComes 
with 27.2 seatpost mast and clamp.   PM me and I can send you pictures 
should you want.  

Phil B
Sonoma County
707 318-9318



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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Joe Bernard]

Someone may be willing to pay a slight premium for the vintage XTR parts and ti 
H-Bar. 2600 is a bit steep for the condition, but I'd easily pay $2k for that 
bike. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Johnny Alien]

That top photo of the three Atlantis bikes looks smaller than all of the 53s I 
have seen in photos. The bike in the eBay ad totally looks like a 53 or 54.5 to 
me. A 53 just sold complete on eBay. Compared to that this one looks to be the 
same size. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

I will throw in, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Pro's 
Closet is many times selling a bike on consignment.  It could be that 
someone brought them the bike and wants a certain amount back from it.  PC 
considers, then decides if the bike might sell with the owner's price in 
mind plus some level of commission.  I could be wrong on that but I believe 
that to be so.  I have also seen their prices lowered when things don't 
sell over time.  My assumption has always been that the "owner" has agreed 
to the drop in price hoping for a sale.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I was thinking Pro's Closet was, for the 
most part, a place for consignments, hence some possible overhead in 
pricing.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL



On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> I've exchanged a couple eBay messages with The Pro's Closet in the past 
> about some vintage parts. They're always courteous and give plenty of 
> information. Their bikes and framesets occur to me as overpriced, but then 
> again, it's hard to put a price tag on used bikes, and as people say here 
> all the time, they're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. 
>
> This particular Atlantis has a really nice bunch of parts, and while it 
> doesn't fit my wallet nor my skeletal structure, I'm envious of whoever 
> ends up with it!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>

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[RBW] Anyone use a Sackville GrabSack as a handlebar bag?

[Richard Rios]

yes, I do / did and it works great, but I only tried on drop bars. place 
shoulder strap around brake hoods. pull snug. flip bag over once or twice 
depending on need as to not hit tire. SHAZAM! great little bar bag.

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Bob K.]

I've exchanged a couple eBay messages with The Pro's Closet in the past 
about some vintage parts. They're always courteous and give plenty of 
information. Their bikes and framesets occur to me as overpriced, but then 
again, it's hard to put a price tag on used bikes, and as people say here 
all the time, they're worth whatever someone is willing to pay. 

This particular Atlantis has a really nice bunch of parts, and while it 
doesn't fit my wallet nor my skeletal structure, I'm envious of whoever 
ends up with it!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT 
v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters 
and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a 
Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley, 
and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos. 

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Christopher Cote]

I'd wager it's a 56cm. I find it's pretty easy to eyeball frame sizes by 
looking at the distance between the top and down tubes where they meet the 
head tube. Look at the pics here: 
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/atlantis.php and compare the head tubes on 
the 56cm Atlantii.

53cm:




54.5cm:





56cm:








I am put off by the use of the word "vintage" in the title. At most, that 
bike is 15 years old or so, right? That's not vintage in anyone's book. 
Also, they're asking top dollar and can't be bothered to look up the 
geometry chart on Riv's site and match it up to the correct size? Seat tube 
and head tube angles are unknown?

Chris
 

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 4:52:09 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-rivendell-atlantis-touring-mountain-bike-22-xl-lugged-steel-shimano-xtr/382050555993
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[sameness]

Same. "Items as described" comes to mind.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:28:33 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I've bought several parts from The Pros Closet.  I've never much of a 
> personal interaction with them, but they are definitely legit.  I've never 
> had a bad purchase experience with them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:21:24 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> I can't vouch directly for The Pros Closet but I have looked at their 
>> site over the years and have considered consigning some of my older Campy 
>> stuff to them.  AFAIK they are legit.
>>
>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:02:07 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> Kind of an odd size for an Atlantis, isn't it? 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Belopsky wrote: 
>>> > The more questions I ask TPC, the more I want this, but the less I can 
>>> > even afford it. I certainly don't need this bike, either! 
>>> > 
>>> > seat tube c-c is 535 they tell me 
>>> > 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] 1997 Road Standard is now on eBay

[Eric Norris]

No bites on the relisting here, so it has been offered to a wider audience:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272640128034?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

 

If any fellow list member wants to buy it directly from me, I’ll honor the 
price I posted here, which is lower than the eBay price.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Bill Lindsay]

I've bought several parts from The Pros Closet.  I've never much of a 
personal interaction with them, but they are definitely legit.  I've never 
had a bad purchase experience with them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:21:24 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I can't vouch directly for The Pros Closet but I have looked at their site 
> over the years and have considered consigning some of my older Campy stuff 
> to them.  AFAIK they are legit.
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:02:07 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> Kind of an odd size for an Atlantis, isn't it? 
>>
>>
>> On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Belopsky wrote: 
>> > The more questions I ask TPC, the more I want this, but the less I can 
>> > even afford it. I certainly don't need this bike, either! 
>> > 
>> > seat tube c-c is 535 they tell me 
>> > 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Anyone use a Sackville GrabSack as a handlebar bag?

[Braxton Colagross]

John Potis. His quick attach/detach system is old MUSA pants buckles. The 
original shoulder strap can be buckled on in the same way. 
https://bonkifyoudontknowvelocio.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/titanium-pelican/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

[Ray Varella]

Rene,
   I've always used shifter cables in mine. I've never given it a second 
thought but I routinely inspect brake cables, doubly so on my tandem. 

Drag brakes also make excellent perking brakes which makes parking a tandem a 
bit easier. 

Ray

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[RBW] FS: Many Parts Brooks, Sackville, Nitto, Phil Wood, Noodles, Sugino, etc.

[Mattt]

Yes.  It is 27.2.

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[RBW] FS: Many Parts Brooks, Sackville, Nitto, Phil Wood, Noodles, Sugino, etc.

[christian poppell]

If the Nitto seatpost is 27.2 I'll take it. Pm inbound. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Belopsky]

they also say the saddle height as in photo is 78cm

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Re: [RBW] Re: (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Kieran J]

The Cambiums all have that same roundy curvature that I really dislike. I 
bought a C17 and rode it for about 90 seconds and immediately hated it - 
that was enough for me. The cut-out version may be more forgiving but the 
shape is roughly the same as the non-cut ones and the rubber construction 
is very hard.

The shape of the B68 is very different than the Cambiums, in that it is 
wide and very flat across the cantle and has a sharp ridge between the 
middle-top of the saddle and the skirts. The B68 also has a good amount of 
flex across the back, during pedaling and cornering. 

KJ


On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:40:54 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I haven't tried the wider Cambium but I do have the C-17.  The sides on 
> the back portion of the saddle slope down versus the leather standard ones 
> which are pretty flat across the width.  I find that my butt can not 
> tolerate the slope on the C-17.  Someone on this list tried the wider 
> Cambium and reported the same issue.  I'd still like to try one but without 
> buying it first.
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:58:35 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I had the same question. It sounds like it is similar to the B68 with the 
>> new material.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I'm kind of a saddle-collecting geek so at one point I compared the 
measurements on several saddles.  The Rivet Loveland is 250 Long 205 Wide 
and 70 High.  The B67 (and therefore also B68) is 260 Long, 205 Wide and 73 
High.  So, yes, close but I do like a longer nosed saddle which the Brooks 
gives you versus the Rivet.

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:40:54 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I haven't tried the wider Cambium but I do have the C-17.  The sides on 
> the back portion of the saddle slope down versus the leather standard ones 
> which are pretty flat across the width.  I find that my butt can not 
> tolerate the slope on the C-17.  Someone on this list tried the wider 
> Cambium and reported the same issue.  I'd still like to try one but without 
> buying it first.
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:58:35 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I had the same question. It sounds like it is similar to the B68 with the 
>> new material.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I can't vouch directly for The Pros Closet but I have looked at their site 
over the years and have considered consigning some of my older Campy stuff 
to them.  AFAIK they are legit.

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:02:07 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Kind of an odd size for an Atlantis, isn't it? 
>
>
> On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Belopsky wrote: 
> > The more questions I ask TPC, the more I want this, but the less I can 
> > even afford it. I certainly don't need this bike, either! 
> > 
> > seat tube c-c is 535 they tell me 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Johnny Alien]

Based on previous sales they are about $400 too high. Hard to say what size it 
is. 53.5 hints at the 53cm frame and visually that looks right. The next step 
up is 54.5. The TT measurement seems to be closer to the 54.5 frame size 
though. The standover measurement is way high and closet to what a 56 frame 
would be. So some of those numbers are off. Without getting accurate ones it's 
hard to tell what the actual size is. Can't be a 56 though. It does look nice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Thanks Hugh
I just placed my order.
Jon

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 11:07:01 AM UTC-6, Hugh Smitham wrote:

> I ordered the ISC racers tape from Amazon 2"x 12' I figured 12 feet is 
> plenty for my needs. I paid $26.95 includes tax free shipping.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Reed Kennedy  > wrote:
>
>> I just received the same message George did. They say they're shipping me 
>> the helicopter tape I ordered, plus extra, even though they've already 
>> refunded my payment! 
>>
>> I'll let y'all know when it arrives. It looks like I can also change the 
>> feedback I left with their approval, so once the tape arrives I'll offer to 
>> do that and re-pay for it.
>>
>>
>> Reed
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:12 AM, George Schick > > wrote:
>>
>>> When I logged into my Gmail account this AM I had a message from the 
>>> eBay seller of the helicopter tape stating the following:
>>>
>>> "...My apologies on the delayed shipment, I was out of town on a family 
>>> emergency. Your package was mailed out today. I included additional 3M 
>>> tape to your order to help compensate for the delay. Again my apologies for 
>>> any trouble caused by the late delivery..."
>>>
>>> Looks like they might've been reading our blog.  Anyway, looks like full 
>>> speed ahead for the small strips after all.  Order away, Gents (and ladies)!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 2:29:12 PM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:

 George, 

 I just had an identical experience with the same seller, trying to buy 
 the same item. I eventually made a claim through eBay and my money was 
 refunded today with no explanation. You can see my negative feedback here:

 http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2=holo_haleakala&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560=nc=182237433934=VIP%3Afeedback=FeedbackAsSeller

 Felt terrible leaving it, as they had a perfect record until now. All I 
 wanted was a quick note saying they'd run out and when to expect it. Or 
 even just a "sorry"! Sheesh, what a waste of time.

 What's doubly sad, I can't find anywhere else on eBay to buy helicopter 
 tape in 1" widths without expensive international shipping. ::grumble::


 Reed

 On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:16 PM, George Schick  
 wrote:

> Unfortunately, when you deal with people via eBay you never know what 
> to expect.  I recently placed an order back on April 8th for a couple of 
> feet of 1" tape at the URL posted in the message below, received an 
> e-mail 
> saying the order had been placed, received another e-mail saying it had 
> shipped w/ an expected delivery date of April 15th and nothing has 
> happened.  Meanwhile, I placed another eBay order for a completely 
> unrelated product, went through the same e-mail notification cycle, and 
> it 
> arrived on time, just as expected.
>
> When I use the USPS tracking number supplied by the seller it says 
> something about a shipping label having been created and awaiting receipt 
> of the product.  USPS tracking is notoriously unreliable so I'm 
> suspicious 
> of the accuracy of their message, so I tried to contact the seller from 
> his 
> eBay main page advertisement, clicking on the "contact" and it takes me 
> to 
> an error message.  Therefore, I don't even have a way to get a hold of 
> this 
> guy to find out what's going on.  Anyone else run into this kind of 
> problem 
> and, if so, what steps did you take?
>
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 2:48:04 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> $1.65 per foot plus $2.85 shipping for 1" wide tape at 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-1-HELICOPTER-TAPE-Clear-14MIL-Extra-Tough-Frame-Protection-8681-1-65-ft/182237433934?_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Dd6fe721da3d94547b8f5fe6501b9d006%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D400921749096
>>
>> On 04/08/2017 03:22 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone provide a rough estimate of the cost???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for 
>>> chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's good 
>>> to 
>>> know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product name 
>>> into a 
>>> Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see lots of 
>>> photos of 
>>> bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's evidently one of 
>>> those 
>>> best-kept little secrets.  In the 

[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Leah,
Great story.I'm glad it had a happy ending.
Those are called "interval training rides" or "Sprint to the finish 
training rides".
Or "How to reach your anaerobic threshold in one mile" rides.
Jon

>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Steve Palincsar]

Kind of an odd size for an Atlantis, isn't it?


On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Belopsky wrote:
The more questions I ask TPC, the more I want this, but the less I can 
even afford it. I certainly don't need this bike, either!


seat tube c-c is 535 they tell me



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[RBW] Re: 54.5 (I think?) atlantis on ebay

[Belopsky]

The more questions I ask TPC, the more I want this, but the less I can even 
afford it. I certainly don't need this bike, either!

seat tube c-c is 535 they tell me

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Ryan Fleming]

Leah, you are a hell of a funny, engaging writer, and I am glad all emerged 
unscathed and the story had a happy ending

Must be the mojo from owning the BBITW, I'm sure

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 10:33:24 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> TBBITW and I have put on the miles today. I had loaded up my little 
> American Eskimo Dogg in his Wald basket (he drives a large Wald; he only 
> drives American) on TBBITW to take him to the vet for boarding. The plan 
> was for him to drive his Wald to the vet, drop him off and continue on to 
> school on TBBITW to retrieve my sons. I had gone no further than a few 
> houses before I noticed a neighbor and her off-leash miniature Schnauzer in 
> their yard. "Milo" began to have conniptions, barking and growling and 
> straining, but his mistress had him by his collar, so we exchanged hellos 
> and I pedaled on. Not five seconds later I heard the sound of canine nails 
> scraping pavement at a rapid pace behind me. There was Milo, full of fury 
> and in hot pursuit of me, the Wald-driving Dogg and TBBITW. Was it Wald 
> envy? Backabike bag envy? Doggs-in-high-places envy? We will never know 
> because Milo's not saying. 
>
> At that moment I had to make a choice. Do I stop so his owner can grab him 
> and hope I won't have to pry my leg loose from his jaw? Do I trust my Dogg, 
> who is now standing up in his Wald not to jump out and retaliate? I looked 
> down at my bare legs. I was wearing my favorite yellow and white striped 
> shorts ("My little lemon drop! My sunflower!" exclaimed my husband this 
> morning.) and open-toe sandals. No. I'd like to keep my flesh, and my 
> shorts look better without bloodstains. I decided he could neither be THAT 
> persistent, nor that fast. I'd take off at a quick pace and he'd give up 
> and go home in less than a block. 
>
> I rounded the corner with Milo's mistress screaming behind me, 
> "MIIILLOO!!!" but my course was set and my tires were eating up 
> the road before me. I chanced a glance back and unbelievably, Milo was 
> keeping pace! In fact, he was but a few feet behind me! He was lunging for 
> my left Backabike bag! I sent up a silent prayer that I'd have it in me to 
> go faster for longer. I was now on the open road leaving the neighborhood, 
> a quarter mile into the chase. Milo was breathing harder but showed no 
> signs of giving up. I pedaled harder and managed to put 30 feet between us. 
> It was at this point I realized that the enraged and persistent Milo was at 
> risk of becoming roadkill. I wanted to veer onto a sidewalk to get him off 
> the road, but was moving too fast to do it safely - remember, my Dogg is 
> still driving the Wald - not a stable arrangement. I approached an 
> intersection, and noticed a woman in a large white SUV yielding to me at 
> her stop sign. She could clearly see me, but she would not likely see Milo 
> 30 feet behind me until he was under her tires. I had to communicate with 
> her but how? I met her eyes, then turned my head and upper body backwards, 
> as if watching something behind me. It worked. She noticed my pursuer and 
> pulled up to me, slowing. 
>
> I slowed as she asked through her lowered window, "Is that your dog?" 
>
> "No!" I yelled, "He's trying to bite me!" Not eloquent, but I was WINDED. 
> Milo saw his chance and seized it with all four canines. He closed the 
> distance and was nearly upon me. I hit the pedals harder and begged my Dogg 
> to sit down in his Wald. 
>
> She sped off ahead of me, and I thought great, she's left me to deal with 
> him alone. We were now nearing the one mile mark of the chase and the 
> roundabout was looming. I would have to stop and yield to cars here. Milo 
> would surely get his chance at a Leg of Leah. Not even the Wald-driving 
> Dogg and the TBBITW would save me now. 
>
> Suddenly, a ways ahead of me, the white SUV swerved right and stopped. I 
> passed her and as I looked back, I saw her jump out and intercept Milo!!! 
> He had a collar and I knew he'd be returned home. I nearly laughed with 
> relief as I approached the roundabout and safely swirled downhill toward 
> the vet's. 
>
> The doorbell rang this evening and there stood Milo's mistress. She had 
> somehow tracked down my address for the sake of profuse apologizing and 
> requests to make this right. I apologized, too. I knew his mistress 
> couldn't catch us and that Milo could have been lost to her forevermore. 
> All's well and there wasn't an ounce of anger between us and Milo is now 
> going to be leashed 100% of the time. 
>
> If you ever have a similar encounter, may you have a Wald-driving Dogg and 
> a TBBITW to usher you through it.

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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/21/2017 08:53 AM, Tim Gavin wrote:

Glad I could help.  Just passing on what I've learned here.

My Riv still has its tail light wire along the brake cable run; it's a 
minor annoyance.  My plan is to change it to under-the-BB and into the 
rear fender, but not until my current (lipless) VO fenders break.  At 
that point, I'll install some Honjos (I grabbed a set from the Clymb 
website when they had them on clearance) and run the wire in the 
fender lip.  I may try "helicopter" tape at that point, or just use 
more of the Shoe Goo I already have.


The VO fenders are doing fine, though.  So it will probably be another 
couple years.  Hope the Shoe Goo won't be dried out by then!


If they're properly installed, metal fenders can last a long, long 
time.  The sets I installed in 2006 and 2008 are doing just fine. If 
that tube of Shoe Goo has been opened before, it might be a solid block 
by the time you need it.




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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Tim Gavin]

Glad I could help.  Just passing on what I've learned here.

My Riv still has its tail light wire along the brake cable run; it's a
minor annoyance.  My plan is to change it to under-the-BB and into the rear
fender, but not until my current (lipless) VO fenders break.  At that
point, I'll install some Honjos (I grabbed a set from the Clymb website
when they had them on clearance) and run the wire in the fender lip.  I may
try "helicopter" tape at that point, or just use more of the Shoe Goo I
already have.

The VO fenders are doing fine, though.  So it will probably be another
couple years.  Hope the Shoe Goo won't be dried out by then!


One other tip, if you run the wire under the BB.  You have to leave room
for the FD cable.
I left a loop so the wire passes over.
But then at a later date I replaced the FD cable and forgot about the
dynamo wire (you don't see it from above).  On my next ride, my front
shifting was sluggish and my headlight was acting up.  I added the two
together and realized I'd run the FD cable right over that cable loop, and
now the FD cable was rubbing (sluggish shifting) off the insulation and
shorting the dynamo juice back to the frame.

So, don't do that.


Internal dynamo wiring routing is definitely something I'd want on a custom
frame.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Tim,
>
> No, that is great info... It seemed I woke up with the question and typed
> before doing a thorough search.  But your notes help a lot.  I too tried
> the routing along existing cabling but did not really like the result.  I
> will experiment with Shoe Goo as well as the tape...
>
> Big thanks for the notes and tips on this!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:04:13 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> There have been multiple discussions about wiring routing tips and tricks
>> on this forum.  Perhaps search the forum from the google group interface?
>>
>> For instance, I learned from this forum that Shoe Goo is an excellent
>> mostly-permanent adhesive for attaching wiring to the frame.  I say
>> mostly-permanent, because the wire sticks very well, but the rubbery nature
>> of the Shoe Goo allows you to peel it off and easily pill up the residue
>> for no permanent marking on the frame.
>>
>>
>> On my first dynamo install (Rivendell Road Standard 650b converted), I
>> tried to just zip the wire to the brake cable along the top tube.  But it
>> sags at times and is still pretty visible.  For my next install, I followed
>> the most common practice and went down the bottom of the down tube, under
>> the BB, and back up.
>> To come back up to the tail light, the traditional way seems to use the
>> rolled lip of the metal fender.
>> My bike is using SKS plastic fenders (with no lip), so ran the wire along
>> the NDS chainstay and up a rack leg.
>> The wiring is out of sight and out of mind, and seems to stick on very
>> well (no major tours yet).
>>
>> If I were using helicopter tape for a tail light wire install, I'd follow
>> the same under-the-BB routing.  You could use the tape to go up the inside
>> of any fender, regardless of lip.  I would use the water slide technique
>> described by Marc40a earlier, and I would clean the areas very, very well
>> first.
>>
>>
>> Another tip to consider:  to create some safe slack between the fork and
>> frame connection, wrap the wire around a pencil to create a small coil
>> (think landline phone cord).  Some folks put a removable connection in this
>> area in case they ever need to pull the fork
>>
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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Bob Lovejoy]

Tim,

No, that is great info... It seemed I woke up with the question and typed 
before doing a thorough search.  But your notes help a lot.  I too tried 
the routing along existing cabling but did not really like the result.  I 
will experiment with Shoe Goo as well as the tape... 

Big thanks for the notes and tips on this!

Bob


On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:04:13 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Bob-
>
> There have been multiple discussions about wiring routing tips and tricks 
> on this forum.  Perhaps search the forum from the google group interface?
>
> For instance, I learned from this forum that Shoe Goo is an excellent 
> mostly-permanent adhesive for attaching wiring to the frame.  I say 
> mostly-permanent, because the wire sticks very well, but the rubbery nature 
> of the Shoe Goo allows you to peel it off and easily pill up the residue 
> for no permanent marking on the frame.
>
>
> On my first dynamo install (Rivendell Road Standard 650b converted), I 
> tried to just zip the wire to the brake cable along the top tube.  But it 
> sags at times and is still pretty visible.  For my next install, I followed 
> the most common practice and went down the bottom of the down tube, under 
> the BB, and back up.  
> To come back up to the tail light, the traditional way seems to use the 
> rolled lip of the metal fender.  
> My bike is using SKS plastic fenders (with no lip), so ran the wire along 
> the NDS chainstay and up a rack leg.  
> The wiring is out of sight and out of mind, and seems to stick on very 
> well (no major tours yet).
>
> If I were using helicopter tape for a tail light wire install, I'd follow 
> the same under-the-BB routing.  You could use the tape to go up the inside 
> of any fender, regardless of lip.  I would use the water slide technique 
> described by Marc40a earlier, and I would clean the areas very, very well 
> first.
>
>
> Another tip to consider:  to create some safe slack between the fork and 
> frame connection, wrap the wire around a pencil to create a small coil 
> (think landline phone cord).  Some folks put a removable connection in this 
> area in case they ever need to pull the fork
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Tim Gavin]

Bob-

There have been multiple discussions about wiring routing tips and tricks
on this forum.  Perhaps search the forum from the google group interface?

For instance, I learned from this forum that Shoe Goo is an excellent
mostly-permanent adhesive for attaching wiring to the frame.  I say
mostly-permanent, because the wire sticks very well, but the rubbery nature
of the Shoe Goo allows you to peel it off and easily pill up the residue
for no permanent marking on the frame.


On my first dynamo install (Rivendell Road Standard 650b converted), I
tried to just zip the wire to the brake cable along the top tube.  But it
sags at times and is still pretty visible.  For my next install, I followed
the most common practice and went down the bottom of the down tube, under
the BB, and back up.
To come back up to the tail light, the traditional way seems to use the
rolled lip of the metal fender.
My bike is using SKS plastic fenders (with no lip), so ran the wire along
the NDS chainstay and up a rack leg.
The wiring is out of sight and out of mind, and seems to stick on very well
(no major tours yet).

If I were using helicopter tape for a tail light wire install, I'd follow
the same under-the-BB routing.  You could use the tape to go up the inside
of any fender, regardless of lip.  I would use the water slide technique
described by Marc40a earlier, and I would clean the areas very, very well
first.


Another tip to consider:  to create some safe slack between the fork and
frame connection, wrap the wire around a pencil to create a small coil
(think landline phone cord).  Some folks put a removable connection in this
area in case they ever need to pull the fork.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Sorry for being incredibly late to this question but are there
> notes/posts/lessons learned around for routing said electrical wiring, on
> the off chance that someone might do that?  It seems someone here was
> trying to route wiring for a rear light and was pretty disappointed in how
> it came out.  Logic was sound, artistry not so much.
>
> If anyone can point to notes or best practices for such things, it would
> be appreciated!  Heli tape is on order
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>>
>> Also good for discreetly routing electrical wiring along frame tubes,
>> though for the life of me I don't know why anyone would need electrical
>> wiring on a bicycle.
>>
>>>
>>> Peter White
>>
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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Deacon Patrick]

Wondrous flavors of whimsy and terror, and mirth reminiscent of AA Milne 
and James Herriot. Delightful!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 9:33:24 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> TBBITW and I have put on the miles today. I had loaded up my little 
> American Eskimo Dogg in his Wald basket (he drives a large Wald; he only 
> drives American) on TBBITW to take him to the vet for boarding. The plan 
> was for him to drive his Wald to the vet, drop him off and continue on to 
> school on TBBITW to retrieve my sons. I had gone no further than a few 
> houses before I noticed a neighbor and her off-leash miniature Schnauzer in 
> their yard. "Milo" began to have conniptions, barking and growling and 
> straining, but his mistress had him by his collar, so we exchanged hellos 
> and I pedaled on. Not five seconds later I heard the sound of canine nails 
> scraping pavement at a rapid pace behind me. There was Milo, full of fury 
> and in hot pursuit of me, the Wald-driving Dogg and TBBITW. Was it Wald 
> envy? Backabike bag envy? Doggs-in-high-places envy? We will never know 
> because Milo's not saying. 
>
> At that moment I had to make a choice. Do I stop so his owner can grab him 
> and hope I won't have to pry my leg loose from his jaw? Do I trust my Dogg, 
> who is now standing up in his Wald not to jump out and retaliate? I looked 
> down at my bare legs. I was wearing my favorite yellow and white striped 
> shorts ("My little lemon drop! My sunflower!" exclaimed my husband this 
> morning.) and open-toe sandals. No. I'd like to keep my flesh, and my 
> shorts look better without bloodstains. I decided he could neither be THAT 
> persistent, nor that fast. I'd take off at a quick pace and he'd give up 
> and go home in less than a block. 
>
> I rounded the corner with Milo's mistress screaming behind me, 
> "MIIILLOO!!!" but my course was set and my tires were eating up 
> the road before me. I chanced a glance back and unbelievably, Milo was 
> keeping pace! In fact, he was but a few feet behind me! He was lunging for 
> my left Backabike bag! I sent up a silent prayer that I'd have it in me to 
> go faster for longer. I was now on the open road leaving the neighborhood, 
> a quarter mile into the chase. Milo was breathing harder but showed no 
> signs of giving up. I pedaled harder and managed to put 30 feet between us. 
> It was at this point I realized that the enraged and persistent Milo was at 
> risk of becoming roadkill. I wanted to veer onto a sidewalk to get him off 
> the road, but was moving too fast to do it safely - remember, my Dogg is 
> still driving the Wald - not a stable arrangement. I approached an 
> intersection, and noticed a woman in a large white SUV yielding to me at 
> her stop sign. She could clearly see me, but she would not likely see Milo 
> 30 feet behind me until he was under her tires. I had to communicate with 
> her but how? I met her eyes, then turned my head and upper body backwards, 
> as if watching something behind me. It worked. She noticed my pursuer and 
> pulled up to me, slowing. 
>
> I slowed as she asked through her lowered window, "Is that your dog?" 
>
> "No!" I yelled, "He's trying to bite me!" Not eloquent, but I was WINDED. 
> Milo saw his chance and seized it with all four canines. He closed the 
> distance and was nearly upon me. I hit the pedals harder and begged my Dogg 
> to sit down in his Wald. 
>
> She sped off ahead of me, and I thought great, she's left me to deal with 
> him alone. We were now nearing the one mile mark of the chase and the 
> roundabout was looming. I would have to stop and yield to cars here. Milo 
> would surely get his chance at a Leg of Leah. Not even the Wald-driving 
> Dogg and the TBBITW would save me now. 
>
> Suddenly, a ways ahead of me, the white SUV swerved right and stopped. I 
> passed her and as I looked back, I saw her jump out and intercept Milo!!! 
> He had a collar and I knew he'd be returned home. I nearly laughed with 
> relief as I approached the roundabout and safely swirled downhill toward 
> the vet's. 
>
> The doorbell rang this evening and there stood Milo's mistress. She had 
> somehow tracked down my address for the sake of profuse apologizing and 
> requests to make this right. I apologized, too. I knew his mistress 
> couldn't catch us and that Milo could have been lost to her forevermore. 
> All's well and there wasn't an ounce of anger between us and Milo is now 
> going to be leashed 100% of the time. 
>
> If you ever have a similar encounter, may you have a Wald-driving Dogg and 
> a TBBITW to usher you through it.

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Re: [RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry for being incredibly late to this question but are there 
notes/posts/lessons learned around for routing said electrical wiring, on 
the off chance that someone might do that?  It seems someone here was 
trying to route wiring for a rear light and was pretty disappointed in how 
it came out.  Logic was sound, artistry not so much.

If anyone can point to notes or best practices for such things, it would be 
appreciated!  Heli tape is on order

Bob
 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>
> Also good for discreetly routing electrical wiring along frame tubes, 
> though for the life of me I don't know why anyone would need electrical 
> wiring on a bicycle.
>
>>
>> Peter White
>

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[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

Having been to quite a few tandem rallies I have had the opportunity to 
observe a lot of different ways for carrying these bikes in or on a car. 
 Many people have very tall cars and when they try to lift the fork into 
the drop out, the chainrings hit the car, usually a window.  The 
Rockymount, which has no extension on its fork mount is especially prone to 
this.  When mounting any rack the ideal location is as close to the edge of 
the car, but inside the point of attachment between the bars & car.   I 
have seen people with big expensive SUVs who needed three people and a 
ladder to put the bike on top.  If you have a really big vehicle it is best 
to try to fit the bike inside, or go with a hitch rack, like the one posted 
here.  I have no trouble carrying my large & long touring tandem on top of 
either our Prius, or our Golf Sportwagen.  They both have pretty low roof 
lines and with the rear wheel over the windshield are easy to work with. 
 That said, I don't think I have ever mounted a bike to the roof of my car 
when I didn't have some anxiety about it.  That's why I break the tandem 
down & put it inside for longer trips, and use a rear hitch mount for 
"half" bikes.  One time, as we were preparing to leave coastal RI for the 
trip back to VT, we got the tandem apart & safely stowed inside the Prius 
in under 15 minutes, and about two minutes ahead of the cloud burst.

Michael

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 11:49:13 PM UTC-4, eflayer wrote:
>
> Rocky Mounts makes a good one that one person can load without undue 
> stress. Unique swivel front fork mount makes it doable:
>
> https://rockymounts.com/products/tandem-mount-r4
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cXGa5Oz2mY
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 3:37:40 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Curious what folks recommend for carrying a fendered tandem on a car. 
>>
>> Considering the rocky Mounts R4 rack but am concerned that the front 
>> fender will preclude mounting. Is this often the case with roof racks like 
>> these? I've always used hitch racks with bikes so have no experience with 
>> racks up top. 
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> Best,
>> D. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[panog]

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:25:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On 04/21/2017 04:28 AM, panog wrote:
> > Chased for a mile by a miniature dog! Entertaining story, thankfully 
> > concluded to a happy ending. Never chased by a miniature but have had my 
> > fair share of dog chases although only for a few hundred feet. One time in 
> > rural Delaware I was intercepted by a pair of farmdogs and then given 
> > chase. I was doing around 22mph at the time, sped up close to 30 or so and 
> > still the faster of the two caught up with me and went for my ankle. It 
> > missed, lost part of  its snout and my Ksyrium SL wheel lost one of its 
> > bladed spokes. Point here is that is very difficult to outrun a real size 
> > dog, specially the large kind bred for giving chase, guarding, retrieving 
> > etc, . They typically stop when they reach the end of their home turf but 
> > if they continue the best thing to do is to stop, get off the bike and use 
> > the bike to shield against the dog. Sometimes pepper spray also helps as 
> > does the water in your water bottle. Stopping and getting off the bike to 
> > face the dog is often counterintuitive at the time but is the safest thing 
> > to do rather than risking crashing at full speed with a dog attached to 
> > your ankle.
> >
> 
> But if you do use pepper spray, do be cognizant of the wind direction.  
> If the wind blows the stuff back in your face, you are going to be in 
> double trouble.

Absolutely! If you don't do that then you are in for a surprise as some of it 
will linger around you.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: (2) - as in a pair of - Nitto Rack Strut Bolts

[Ron Mc]

Nitto 20184 doesn't google well.  
Alex's cycle has them in 
Japan 
https://alexscycle.com/collections/other-campee/products/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud-bolt
If you contact Spencer at Rvendell, he will not forget to contact you when 
they restock.  


On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 9:58:11 PM UTC-5, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Good evening, gang. I just bought a Marks' rack with one set of struts 
> from another lister, so I thought, "hey, I can just go on Riv and buy the 
> short struts." So I did that, but they are out of stock of the bolts to 
> attach the things to the rack. As is Ben's, Velo doesn't sell them, and 
> Google doesn't return any other results.
>
> Does anyone have an extra set by chance or is just using one set of struts 
> and can sell a guy the second set of bolts? Or if you know another bike 
> site to check out, I'll do it immediately.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike in ATX
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/21/2017 04:28 AM, panog wrote:

Chased for a mile by a miniature dog! Entertaining story, thankfully concluded 
to a happy ending. Never chased by a miniature but have had my fair share of 
dog chases although only for a few hundred feet. One time in rural Delaware I 
was intercepted by a pair of farmdogs and then given chase. I was doing around 
22mph at the time, sped up close to 30 or so and still the faster of the two 
caught up with me and went for my ankle. It missed, lost part of  its snout and 
my Ksyrium SL wheel lost one of its bladed spokes. Point here is that is very 
difficult to outrun a real size dog, specially the large kind bred for giving 
chase, guarding, retrieving etc, . They typically stop when they reach the end 
of their home turf but if they continue the best thing to do is to stop, get 
off the bike and use the bike to shield against the dog. Sometimes pepper spray 
also helps as does the water in your water bottle. Stopping and getting off the 
bike to face the dog is often counterintuitive at the time but is the safest 
thing to do rather than risking crashing at full speed with a dog attached to 
your ankle.



But if you do use pepper spray, do be cognizant of the wind direction.  
If the wind blows the stuff back in your face, you are going to be in 
double trouble.



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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

[panog]

Chased for a mile by a miniature dog! Entertaining story, thankfully concluded 
to a happy ending. Never chased by a miniature but have had my fair share of 
dog chases although only for a few hundred feet. One time in rural Delaware I 
was intercepted by a pair of farmdogs and then given chase. I was doing around 
22mph at the time, sped up close to 30 or so and still the faster of the two 
caught up with me and went for my ankle. It missed, lost part of  its snout and 
my Ksyrium SL wheel lost one of its bladed spokes. Point here is that is very 
difficult to outrun a real size dog, specially the large kind bred for giving 
chase, guarding, retrieving etc, . They typically stop when they reach the end 
of their home turf but if they continue the best thing to do is to stop, get 
off the bike and use the bike to shield against the dog. Sometimes pepper spray 
also helps as does the water in your water bottle. Stopping and getting off the 
bike to face the dog is often counterintuitive at the time but is the safest 
thing to do rather than risking crashing at full speed with a dog attached to 
your ankle.

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