[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Doug Riv dealers can ship. I bought my Joe from an LA dealer and they shipped 
it via Bikeflights to PA

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Doug H.]

I could be wrong. I'll give them a call.

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 7:45:30 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Oh how does Rivelo ship bikes then?
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 7:26:24 PM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info guys. I don't think Riv allows their dealers to ship 
>> though. I'm in Athens, GA.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley has a 52 H on the floor.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito Ca
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Belopsky]

Oh how does Rivelo ship bikes then?

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 7:26:24 PM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info guys. I don't think Riv allows their dealers to ship 
> though. I'm in Athens, GA.
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I think Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley has a 52 H on the floor.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito Ca
>>
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[RBW] WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, do you know what color it is? I had originally planned to get a butternut 
CLEM..now I'm kinda wishing I hadn't missed it. 

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the info guys. I don't think Riv allows their dealers to ship 
though. I'm in Athens, GA.

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I think Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley has a 52 H on the floor.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2015 Black Rivendell Bicycle Works - Sam Hillborne - 62 CM - Lots of Extras

[Broccoli Cog]

Sweet looking bike! I also have a 62 Sam. Can you tell me what size tires 
and size in the photos. How do the VO fenders fit?

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 11:22:03 AM UTC-4, Marc40a wrote:
>
> I ran into this bike and its owner last year in Harris Cyclery. Beautiful 
> build. 
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 2:31:43 PM UTC-4, Constantine Xanthopoulos 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am selling my 62cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne custom built at Harris 
>> Cyclery in Newton Mass. back in October 2015 with a lots of nice parts:
>>
>> Frame : 2015 Black and White Sam Hillborne 
>> Wheels : Custom Built DT competition Spokes Velocity Dyad Rim 700c 36H
>> Front Hub: Schmidt Dynamo SON 28 Polished 36H
>> Front Light: Schmidt Edelux 2 polished
>> Rear Hub: Shimano Deore XT
>> Handlebar: Nitto Noodle H/Bar 46cm H.T.
>> Fenders: Velo Orange Zeppelin 52mm
>> King Bottle Cages
>> Rear Rack: Nitto 33R
>> Front Rack: M1 / Mark's Rack 
>> Front Bag: Gilles Berthoud 2886 (Large) 
>> Front Bag Handlebar Bag Decaleur: Gilles Berthoud
>> Saddle: Gilles Berthoud Aspin - Natural 
>> Nitto Tech Stem 100mm 26.0
>> Crank : Sugino XD 
>> And many many more.. 
>>
>> The Bike has been ridden for about 1200-1500 miles since 2015 and has 
>> always been garaged and pampered.  
>> It is in excellent condition.
>>
>> I'd rather sell locally in New England but I can definitely figure out a 
>> way to ship the bicycle too. 
>>
>> The total build including labor, racks and bags cost me over $4.500,00  
>> Asking $2.900,00 OBO. 
>>
>> Thank you for looking, 
>> Constantine  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Waterford built double top tube Sam

[Belopsky]

Price would help

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[Bruce Smitham]

Hey Chris,

I was not the one who purchased it. I did inquire being local guy and all but 
it had already sold. Probably a good thing because I don't really need it. I 
already have 3 Salsa Ti bikes that I really like and fulfill all my biking 
needs. I will say that I've always wondered what a 54cm Hunq would ride like 
compared to all the other Rivendell's I've owned. It was my favorite color as 
well. 

Happy for the new owner. I hope they enjoy it!

Bruce Smitham



> On Jul 15, 2017, at 12:20 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I look at it many times per day and that Hunqapillar was already spoken for 
> when I first saw it!!
> 
> Congrats to Bruce on picking up an awesome bike!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:17:02 PM UTC-5, Nash Taylor wrote:
>> Gosh these things go so fast.  That's what I get for not looking at the 
>> forum everyday!
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Carla Waugh]

Sam now has a pretty little silver Spur jewell on it. I already had two and 
gave my twin a Spur and have one in black with a blue dinger on my 650B so Sam 
had to have a new pretty.

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[RBW] Re: Front loads on Rivendell bicycles -- how heavy?

[ascpgh]

I rode my Rambouillet on a credit card tour TransAm trip with a Carradice 
Longflap. Sort of the Colin Chapman perspective of touring; it's not what 
you have with you on a trip but rather what you can leave behind. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:30:12 AM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Patrick, thanks for the heads up about how to load a Ram. I drove to 
> Augusta last week to try out the Ram that Bill Hammond had for sale and 
> decided to bring it back to Roswell. I have a M-13 front rack and Acorn 
> small rando bag for the front. There are no braze-ons for low riders so 
> anything else will be on the rear. Credit card or ultrallight overnights 
> are all the Ram will see. 
>
> Can't help but wonder how the Ram would handle with a low trail fork..
>
> FWIW, the Ram is in one of my fav bike colors, metallic orange pearl. My 
> Bianchi CX is metallic celeste pearl. Think I will sell all my other bikes 
> because they have plain old paint of all things! 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 11:15:08 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I realize that different models will handle different loads differently, 
>> but I'm curious about how much weight all y'all carry in lowrider panniers 
>> -- less interested in basket loads or front rando bag loads, though 
>> interested all the same.
>>
>> On my '03 26" wheel Road, which I find delightfully somewhat bit quicker 
>> to turn-in than the Ram, though almost -- not quite -- as rock solid stable 
>> in a straight line, about 20 lbs more or less equally balanced in front 
>> lowriding panniers seems to be a kind of limit; steering is heavy and you'd 
>> not want to do a slalom, but it's not bad. (This is with the 20 lb in 
>> front, nothing in back.) Better is about 15 total. 21-22 lb front load 
>> today.
>>
>> I recall, as an experiment, very quickly adjourned, putting, what, at 
>> least 40 lb in front lowriders on my 56 cm single tt Sam (I had Dave Porter 
>> add lowrider braze ons). I used 1 gallon and half gallon milk jugs full of 
>> water, at about 8 lb to the gallon. No rear load.
>>
>> Man! That was very odd! The bike was so stable it practically stood up by 
>> itself, but it was almost impossible to turn!
>>
>> What's all y'all's experience with lowriding front loads on your 
>> Rivendells?
>>
>> I once, perversely, put 56 lb of cinderblocks in a Wald Newsboy on the 
>> front of a Schwinn Traveler or somesuch, turned into a short distance 
>> grocery bike with North Road bar, fixed gear. That was different! The big 
>> problem was keeping the rear wheel on the ground. My N D Neighbor has had 
>> the bike for almost 10 years now, with rear panniers, as his short distance 
>> grocery bike.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[drew]

Helps selling it for an incredible price.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

[Patrick Moore]

https://youtu.be/IUZEtVbJT5c?t=20

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Todd Zuercher  wrote:

> Thank you, Carla!  I received good news this week - the Phoenix PD found
> my bikes at a local pawn shop and took them into custody.  The wheels of
> justice turn very slowly here and it looks like it will be 3 months before
> I get them back (no conjugal visits allowed :)), but am happy that I will
> eventually have them back.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I look at it many times per day and that Hunqapillar was already spoken for 
when I first saw it!!

Congrats to Bruce on picking up an awesome bike!



On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:17:02 PM UTC-5, Nash Taylor wrote:
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> Gosh these things go so fast.  That's what I get for not looking at the 
> forum everyday!

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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Deacon Patrick]

Did you tighten the wee Allen bolt atop the bell, and use the smaller strap?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Anybody recognize this handlebar?

[David Person]

I've got a pair (Surly Open Bar) I'd be willing to sell.  Like new 
condition.  They were installed on a bike for about a week.

David

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 10:01:16 PM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued by the handlebar in this promo video.  Looks promising.  I 
> need a black handlebar for one of my bikes.
>
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/934648866/urbanx-convert-any-bike-to-an-electric-bike-in-60
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[David Stein]

maybe it was stainless steel. and i’m sure a bit of user error as always ;) it 
did seem too big for 25.4 bars and i had to find a thick spot with bar tape and 
twine to get it tight and still though. i haven’t ridden much w/ it though so 
i’ll see how it holds up on a ride tomorrow


> On Jul 15, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Mitch Harris  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 9:20:45 PM UTC-6, dstein wrote:
> Inspired by Bill's post I bought a Spur bell on a whim at a bike shop the 
> other day in the Mission (SF). It's super expensive, but a damn good bell and 
> I like that it's smaller. It does has a super nice ring to it. The attachment 
> is kind of weird, it comes with two different flimsy aluminum pieces, i'm 
> guessing for 26 and 31.8mm size bars. Feels a little loose around my 25.4 
> bars unless i get it right around the twine. Maybe i'll zip tie instead.
> 
> 
> All my SpurCycle bells came with mount straps that are stainless steel, not 
> aluminum, and not flimsy at all. And they fit fine on 25.4 bars. I have seen 
> several rip-off copies of the SpurCycle?
> 
> --Mitch 
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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Mitch Harris]

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 9:20:45 PM UTC-6, dstein wrote:
>
> Inspired by Bill's post I bought a Spur bell on a whim at a bike shop the 
> other day in the Mission (SF). It's super expensive, but a damn good bell 
> and I like that it's smaller. It does has a super nice ring to it. The 
> attachment is kind of weird, it comes with two different flimsy aluminum 
> pieces, i'm guessing for 26 and 31.8mm size bars. Feels a little loose 
> around my 25.4 bars unless i get it right around the twine. Maybe i'll zip 
> tie instead.
>
>
All my SpurCycle bells came with mount straps that are stainless steel, not 
aluminum, and not flimsy at all. And they fit fine on 25.4 bars. I have 
seen several rip-off copies of the SpurCycle?

--Mitch 

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar (54 cm) complete bike

[Nash Taylor]

Gosh these things go so fast.  That's what I get for not looking at the forum 
everyday!

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[RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

[Carla Waugh]

I'm so happy you will get your Atlantis back!

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[RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Great news, Todd!

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 11:13:27 PM UTC-7, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>
> Thank you, Carla!  I received good news this week - the Phoenix PD found 
> my bikes at a local pawn shop and took them into custody.  The wheels of 
> justice turn very slowly here and it looks like it will be 3 months before 
> I get them back (no conjugal visits allowed :)), but am happy that I will 
> eventually have them back.
>
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>> Todd I hope you find your Atlantis!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anybody recognize this handlebar?

[blakcloud]

Thanks Chris. I didn't make that clear in my original post so I am glad you 
clarified this. This is the reason I haven't used them on my Riv is because 
of the size. That is why I purchased the Map/Ahearne for the quill stem 
that I own. 

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 10:35:14 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Eric beware that the Metropolis is only available in a 31.8.  That is why 
> for me only my Seven will accommodate those bars

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front loads on Rivendell bicycles -- how heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

Bill -- I'm always glad when my maunderings unexpectedly offer benefit.

To expand on the subject: I never front loads on my Ram; all my loading was
by Ortlieb Roller Packers on a Tubus Fly. But the Ram handled loads up to
30 or 35 lbs with aplomb, meaning poise -- no wagging, at least none that I
noticed, and no diminution of stability in straight or in turn. I think
that I carried up to 10 lb more in back, and while that did affect things
more, it wasn't horrible. In all, the Ram carried rear loads (with nothing
in front) better than the '03 Road custom that I now use as my errand bike,
though the 03 works fine. (I do have front lowrider racks o the '03
precisely for loads much heavier than 35 lb.)

Patrick Moore, who carried 25 lb home t'other day 6 miles in a single
Roller Packer on the '03, without traumatic annoyance.



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  wrote:

> Patrick, thanks for the heads up about how to load a Ram. I drove to
> Augusta last week to try out the Ram that Bill Hammond had for sale and
> decided to bring it back to Roswell. I have a M-13 front rack and Acorn
> small rando bag for the front. There are no braze-ons for low riders so
> anything else will be on the rear. Credit card or ultrallight overnights
> are all the Ram will see.
>
> Can't help but wonder how the Ram would handle with a low trail fork..
>
> FWIW, the Ram is in one of my fav bike colors, metallic orange pearl. My
> Bianchi CX is metallic celeste pearl. Think I will sell all my other bikes
> because they have plain old paint of all things!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anybody recognize this handlebar?

[blakcloud]

What I like about the Metropolis is the angle of my wrist, it seems just a 
natural position for my hands. I should also add that I used Ergon grips to 
make the bar even more comfortable. The bar has a slight rise or if you 
want a more cafe style, mount it the other way. The flats after the bends 
are a great place for your hands or forearms for one more position with 
this style of bar. The bar is stiff with no noticeable flex. 

Here is a link to the comparison between the Map/Ahearne bar with the FSA 
Metropolis

https://flic.kr/s/aHskZNdsPF







On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued, as I'm looking for a new upright bar. What specifically do 
> you like so much about the Metropolis? Are there improvements over the MAP 
> or similar bar?

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Re: [RBW] WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[James Warren]

And in my opinion, if one has a chance to buy something at that shop, do it! I 
like it a lot.


> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I think Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley has a 52 H on the floor.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] WTB Clem Smith Jr H Style 52

[Bill Lindsay]

I think Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley has a 52 H on the floor.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

[Leslie]

Ok, so, awhile back, I was seriously considering getting a Legolas, was 
talking to Mark about it, it was right when they decided to have Nobilette 
build them and the price jumped, so I hesitated, then came across a 
canti-Romulus, picked it up instead.Now, I'm not saying that a 
canti-Rom is the same thing as a Legolas, but, it was awfully close, and 
met my needs at the time.   Very similar tubing I think, both have 
canti-brakes...  the geometry has some differences (for my size on a 59 the 
canti-Rom has a 72-deg-seat-tube-angle, a 73-deg-head-tube-angle, and a 
77mm BB drop; the Legolas has a 73-deg-ST and a 72.5-deg-HT, and a 70-drop; 
the rear on the Rom is 132.5-wide, the Leg is 130; the chainstay was the 
same at 44, the top-tube was only 0.5cm longer on the Leg, the fork rake is 
4.25 on the canti-Rom and 4.5 on the Leg).Anyway, point being, they're 
not the same bike, but they're awfully similar.

I am running MSO's, they're a 40mm tire. I have no spare clearance.  If I 
overinflate, the rear tire will start to rub the braze-on on the underneath 
of the stay between the seatstays 
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/16190324065/in/album-72157623199721925/).
 
  I have to ensure I don't have too much air in the rear tire to keep it 
from rubbing.I should probably downsize my tires, but I really like the 
MSO's, really don't want to switch, so, I've left it alone for now.   (For 
safety's sake, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, would want to avoid such 
liability, etc YMMV)

 

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[RBW] Re: Stem/ bars/wheels/brakes for sale

[lum gim fong]

BUMP. Everything still available.

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[RBW] Re: Anybody recognize this handlebar?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Eric beware that the Metropolis is only available in a 31.8.  That is why for 
me only my Seven will accommodate those bars

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Re: [RBW] Last Blue 62 Sam Hillborne Frame

[Bill Lindsay]

THAT is a splendid Sam setup.  Double thumbs up. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Last Blue 62 Sam Hillborne Frame

[Austin B]

TC, I measured my 62cm Sam (bought in 2016 if that matters). On 700x35 Compass 
tires, stand over is 34.5" at the brake cable boss on the rear of the top tube 
(just in front of the saddle nose).

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Ron Mc]

And the Crane Karen (Bell 21) is even better, because you play it and it 
flamms.  From loud and percussive to a tiny ping.  

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:56:09 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Well, I should have gone with the Rivenbell from the bell. I got their 
> hammer strike bell, 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/hammer-strike-bell-brass, and this is a 
> wonderfully deeper tone that nearly everyone but the deaf hear, even with 
> wind, birds, conversation, and traffic in various combination. 
>
> Usually one dig does it. First time on the MUP trail, I test rang it as it 
> parallels the highway. DING! I rounded the top of the hill and dropped 
> down to the horse barn to see a man smiling and waving and standing to the 
> side of the trail. Wow. This beastie works! Didn't even know the lad was 
> there.
>
> My own experience places the Rivenbell as much ahead of the SpurCycle bell 
> as the SpurCycle bell is ahead of the other bells. Both are friendly, but 
> the Rivenbell's deeper, louder tone gets heard and that makes all the 
> difference.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 3:35:10 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Tourist hikers wear bells to warn bears of their impending presence. The 
>> joke is bears come to know these as dinner bells.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Crane bells are super cool and very classy.  It's great they are made in 
>>> Japan, and I love them.  
>>>
>>> BUT
>>>
>>> Spur Cycle bells are by far the nicest bike bell I've ever seen.  I 
>>> bought one from Ocean Air Cycles, because Rob Perks is the man, and I was 
>>> blown away at how nice this bell in.  It's loud and pure and never makes a 
>>> peep unless you want it to.  I just picked up a second one from a tiny 
>>> Berkeley Bike Boutique, just because they had it on the shelf, and I like 
>>> buying local.  Spur Cycle bells are MUSA and they kick butt.  $50 for a 
>>> bell may seem perverse to frugal riders, but when you can get the very best 
>>> anything for $50, that's something.  
>>>
>>> https://www.spurcycle.com/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sag Wagon Camping Test Run

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! The lure of the close, yet so very far because of terrain, 
destination! We have a lot of those here. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 5:03:13 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, Your adventure recalls a Fourth of July that started with a 
> peaceful dawn Jeep ride from my friend's cabin in Spar City, CO for 
> breakfast at Lake City, CO where too much interest was piqued by a sign at 
> Lake San Cristobal proclaiming "Ouray 27 miles". Having our bikes with us 
> in the jeep and no plan for the day after eating, it seemed like a nice 
> ride and lunch opportunity before returning, a provocation we accepted.
>
> I'd say it was paved with good intentions, but it was barely improved, let 
> alone paved. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The road did not exist. Here's the response from the map company... not 
>> very reassuring, but I'm not sure what might be more reassuring. Sardonic 
>> grin. Rather reminds me of the first backbacking trip my wife and I took in 
>> the San Juans. Trail vanished an hour in to the second day. That should 
>> have been our clue to turn around. Instead I taught her how to triangulate 
>> via map and compass and we did great until the third day when we couldn't 
>> find the lake we were heading to. Anywhere. Figuring we were lost, we 
>> worked our way out to the Million Dollar Highway (we were going from Ouray 
>> to Silverton). We learned we were in the right spot, but the lake had been 
>> mined under. Checked the date on your USGS maps. 1954. This was 1990. Oops. 
>> That's when we learned to ask locally. For all the good it did with the 
>> vanished road. Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> ~~~
>> It looks like we are wrong in showing FR254 connecting to County Rd 59. 
>> Attached are screenshots from our atlas, Google Maps, Google Streetview, 
>> and the MVUM (motor vehicle use map) for South Park Ranger District of 
>> Pike-San Isabel NF.
>>
>> You can see that our atlas shows what is seen in Streetview as the 
>> through 4WD rd. This is wrong as you found out.
>>
>> The MVUM map, published this year by the Forest Service is what we should 
>> show, and will show in the next edition of the CO atlas. FR 254 is 
>> accessible from FR890 and ends well short of County Rd 59. Here is a link 
>> to this free map via the Pike-San Isabel NF website. 
>> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd544976.pdf
>>
>> Maybe this road did connect at one time, the data we used for CO 
>> certainly says so.
>>
>> I hope this helps clear up the discrepancy.
>> ~~~
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:13:59 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> In which we discover families love the flexibility of riding some, all, 
>>> or none of a given days ride, maps and signs don’t always agree and who’s 
>>> to say who’s right, roads on the map may or may not exist in reality, and 
>>> aspen shade on a hot day of climbing is delightful.
>>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/test-run-for-sag-wagon-camping
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.CredoFamily.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

[Mike Williams]

So glad youre getting your bikes back Todd,   Getting your bike stolen stinks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Todd Zuercher  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Carla!  I received good news this week - the Phoenix PD found my 
> bikes at a local pawn shop and took them into custody.  The wheels of justice 
> turn very slowly here and it looks like it will be 3 months before I get them 
> back (no conjugal visits allowed :)), but am happy that I will eventually 
> have them back.
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>> Todd I hope you find your Atlantis!
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[RBW] Re: Sag Wagon Camping Test Run

[ascpgh]

Patrick, Your adventure recalls a Fourth of July that started with a 
peaceful dawn Jeep ride from my friend's cabin in Spar City, CO for 
breakfast at Lake City, CO where too much interest was piqued by a sign at 
Lake San Cristobal proclaiming "Ouray 27 miles". Having our bikes with us 
in the jeep and no plan for the day after eating, it seemed like a nice 
ride and lunch opportunity before returning, a provocation we accepted.

I'd say it was paved with good intentions, but it was barely improved, let 
alone paved. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The road did not exist. Here's the response from the map company... not 
> very reassuring, but I'm not sure what might be more reassuring. Sardonic 
> grin. Rather reminds me of the first backbacking trip my wife and I took in 
> the San Juans. Trail vanished an hour in to the second day. That should 
> have been our clue to turn around. Instead I taught her how to triangulate 
> via map and compass and we did great until the third day when we couldn't 
> find the lake we were heading to. Anywhere. Figuring we were lost, we 
> worked our way out to the Million Dollar Highway (we were going from Ouray 
> to Silverton). We learned we were in the right spot, but the lake had been 
> mined under. Checked the date on your USGS maps. 1954. This was 1990. Oops. 
> That's when we learned to ask locally. For all the good it did with the 
> vanished road. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> ~~~
> It looks like we are wrong in showing FR254 connecting to County Rd 59. 
> Attached are screenshots from our atlas, Google Maps, Google Streetview, 
> and the MVUM (motor vehicle use map) for South Park Ranger District of 
> Pike-San Isabel NF.
>
> You can see that our atlas shows what is seen in Streetview as the through 
> 4WD rd. This is wrong as you found out.
>
> The MVUM map, published this year by the Forest Service is what we should 
> show, and will show in the next edition of the CO atlas. FR 254 is 
> accessible from FR890 and ends well short of County Rd 59. Here is a link 
> to this free map via the Pike-San Isabel NF website. 
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd544976.pdf
>
> Maybe this road did connect at one time, the data we used for CO certainly 
> says so.
>
> I hope this helps clear up the discrepancy.
> ~~~
>
> On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:13:59 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> In which we discover families love the flexibility of riding some, all, 
>> or none of a given days ride, maps and signs don’t always agree and who’s 
>> to say who’s right, roads on the map may or may not exist in reality, and 
>> aspen shade on a hot day of climbing is delightful.
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/test-run-for-sag-wagon-camping
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Medium Saddlesack w/out rack

[S.A. Dowdell]

i rode for a number of weeks with the same bag, unsupported, on my 
commuter, fully loaded with work clothes, food, tools, etc. The bag did 
sway a bit, but rest upon the rear fender. The issue was that the bag loop 
straps started to wear through; a rear rack and quick filing of the inside 
edges of the loops on my B-17 fixed the problem.

SADowdell, NYC 

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:12:26 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Anyone successfully done this? I'm  thinking about it for my 56 cm Sam 
> w/75 cm saddle height.
>
> That would replace the Carradice Super C I am currently using. I'll do a 
> proper FS post for that and a couple other items when I have time this 
> weekend.
>
> Jay
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[Ian Strader]

Good to hear they've got production back up and running. I ordered my 650B 
Atlantis in Feb and the waiting is hard.

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, RandoNate wrote:
>
> I ordered my 56cm 650b Atlantis in October.  Just got the update that 
> Waterford will be done with the frame on July 7 (9 months).  Lng wait 
> but I'm sure it'll be worth it!  So pumped!

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[RBW] 56cm Waterford built double top tube Sam

[Mike M]

I'd like to to sell this complete minus the seatpost and saddle.  Pretty much a 
straight up Riv build.  
Sugino Triple
Wide range 8 speed cassette
36 spoke Velocity rims with Lx hubs
Nitto Dirt Drop stem with Soma Portola bars
Nitto racks front and rear
Compass Barlow Pass tires
Sks

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[RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

[Todd Zuercher]

Thank you, Carla!  I received good news this week - the Phoenix PD found my 
bikes at a local pawn shop and took them into custody.  The wheels of 
justice turn very slowly here and it looks like it will be 3 months before 
I get them back (no conjugal visits allowed :)), but am happy that I will 
eventually have them back.

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Todd I hope you find your Atlantis!

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