Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

This is a fun thread! Here's my Protovelo set up for a mixed road/gravel short 
tour: https://goo.gl/photos/TVhGoQeFNyWwvn3h9

Pack light, but with lots of food and water if you won't have places to stop.

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Lee Legrand]

I have never done a touring/camping on a bicycle and hope to do it one day
but I have done tons of research on it.

1.  Develop a minimalist attitude and pack light.  Try to bring things that
you need and instead of things you would like to have.  Easy to overpack
things.  My research has told me to get the things you would like to have
and then begin to pair down from there.

2.  Many people have different setups for carrying there things but the
most logical is to carry heavy stuff up front and lighter stuff in the
rear.  The french bicycle company Berthoud, recommends a set up where it is
60 front/ 40 rear.  Better weight distribution since majority of your body
weight is on the rear wheel.  Met a bicycle tourist from France recently
who came thru my town and he told me broke the rear triangle on his trek
across the USA but he did have most of his loads in the rear.  He manage to
get it welded together to continue his journey.  Better to have it most
loads up front.

3.  Keep the loads low for stability of the bicycle.  Another of Berthoud
advise.  Yes they sell panniers and that may be part of their of it but it
makes since to keep the center of gravity low.

4. Everyone has a favorite in how they carry there stuff but I do think
panniers are better than trailers.  It is one less thing to break down and
manuever.  I think trailer are good if you need to bring stuff on a large
journey around the world and extra capacity is needed.

5. Make sure you can bring enough water on your journey.  Never know when
you will be on long stretches with no access to water for awhile.  At least
bring 3 water bottles.

6. I think for light touring, two large panniers up front with a handlebar
bag and possible a small rear saddlebag is all that is needed.  The
saddlebag needs not be large and if it is, consider what you are bringing
again. Do I really need it?  Is it heavy?

7.  Steve told me this once but he mentioned that you should know the
terrain so you have the gear required to ride it.  Changes in elevation
with stuff on the bicycle with not low enough gear to ride will be a
problem.

Thats all I got.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Kellie  wrote:

> Also a great resource  is *bikepacking.com *.
> Most of the photos here are packed too unwieldy for me. I prefer a more
> compartmentalized and streamlined look. You'll see lots of variety on this
> website, even basket bikepacking.
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
>> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the
>> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike
>> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics
>> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Call Me Jay]

I love this bike!  I have a second hand custom that's set up similar---less Ti 
and no fenders. No scale here but I'd imagine mine is sub 25, too.  My Legolas 
is also built up with Record 10 and has to well under 25 as well.

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[RBW] Re: Velo-Orange just saved my wheel!

[Eric Langley]

I've been using these in Chicago for 4 years now, and no wheel thefts. 

Granted, I never leave them locked up outside more than a few hours at a 
time, but it's good piece of mind when I'm grocery shopping or watching a 
movie, and way simpler than carrying around a bunch of locks and cables for 
all of your bike bits.

For expensive saddles, I recommend the same hollow allen key trick using 
bolts from Bicycle Bolts 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:04 PM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I've been using their Anti-Theft skewers for years and just found out 
> they really work! 
> 
>
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Beach Build

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you for the nice comments :) 

I do have another part to the finding a bike story.  My first post was a 
bit long so pared it down.

When the Appaloosa build came out, I saw the pictures of the butternut 
frame and was blown away.  But I was extremely happy with my Soma and had 
no justification for buying another bike, particularly for the kind of 
riding it was designed for.  When I understood that my Soma was not viable 
here, I looked back to RBW to see what they had in stock because I knew I 
wouldn't last long without a bike.  They had a 2016 butternut frame in my 
size.  I called because I had questions regarding max tire clearance and 
the projected weight of the bike (I am a small person and have to carry it 
up three flights of stairs).  It was the afternoon of July 3rd, I called, 
and it was picked up and I heard "Hello, this is Grant."  I almost dropped 
the phone.  I did not expect him to answer.  I had called RBW from time to 
time regarding questions and checking on orders and had dealt with Will or 
Mark.  I told him how much I had enjoyed my Soma and all the compliments I 
had gotten over the years, even from the carbon fiber crowd and explained 
my current situation.  He was super nice (a lot of the staff had left early 
for the holiday and that was why he answered the phone).  He had all sorts 
of questions, not only about bikes, but about my job, my move, random 
stuff.  He wanted to know if considered the Clem.  He said they also had 
really wide tire capacity and they were expecting a new shipment.  We went 
back and forth regarding specifications and I kept on going back to the 
Appaloosa.  There was a point that he saw where my heart was and that is 
how I ended up with my bike.

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Kellie]

Also a great resource  is *bikepacking.com*. Most of the photos here are 
packed too unwieldy for me. I prefer a more compartmentalized and 
streamlined look. You'll see lots of variety on this website, even basket 
bikepacking.

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

[Call Me Jay]

Not exact--just close enough.

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

[lum gim fong]

Jay,

I think this is a fit issue if you are trying to replicate your fit from 
one bike onto another. Is that the goal?

I have heard of something I think is called an "XY axis method" that does 
this. Done with lasers. I think it is based on how bars and saddle sit 
relative to the bb. I think. I am not sure I fully understood what the guy 
was telling me.
I had it done to transfer my fit from my Bleriot to my Rambouillet. IIRC my 
Rambouillet  needed saddle and bars back and lower than what I had guessed 
based on my own tape measure methods at home.

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[RBW] FS: 26" XO wheelsets

[Conway Bennett]

In my effort to cull before I move I need to get rid of two indiscernibly used 
wheelsets :

Araya RM-17 32 hole silver, 130 rear spacing.  Comes with Ritchey Tom Slicks.  
These from a 1993 Bridgestone XO-2.

Araya CV-7 with Shimano Exage hubs 32 hole silver, 130 rear spacing.  Comes 
with Specialized Nimbus tires.  These are from a 1994 XO-3.

$200 plus shipping via bikeflights for either.

Fair winds,

CCB

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[RBW] Re: Boulder Tips

[Minh]

Hi thanks for the info, when i look at the map around Boulder all i see is 
green park land with mountains everywhere so it's hard to get a sense of 
what's what!  i'm super excited, been a few years since i've been!

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 7:39:40 PM UTC-4, G.E. wrote:
>
> I live just north of Boulder and there honestly aren't any bad trails. We 
> here get to live in an incredibly beautiful place. This time of year, there 
> are a lot of people out on trails (both on foot and bike) so it's 
> challenging to find quiet trails, especially if you want to hike in or at 
> the base of the mountains. 
>
> Boulder Canyon is very popular, but has a nice paved route that you can 
> start from down in Boulder from Canyon Dr and it connects with the Boulder 
> Creek Path too. This one is usually quite busy, especially on weekends or 
> super sunny days. Chautauqua Trail is another one many enjoy. If you're 
> looking for something a little lengthier, Green Mountain is a nice hike as 
> well. If you're interested in traveling a little north of Boulder to Lyons, 
> Hall Ranch and Heil Valley are a bit removed from the chaos of Boulder, but 
> honestly still pretty busy most days. Keep in mind that a lot of the trails 
> connect with other trails, so if you go to the Boulder County website, you 
> can get a map of where trails exist, what you can do at each trail (hike, 
> bike, dogs, etc) and where they connect. You can also go to All Trails, and 
> people have rated a lot of the hikes/trails in the area, so it may help you 
> make a decision about which one is right for you. I don't know if you've 
> visited prior, but some people are surprised by the amount and size of 
> rocks in the mountains and on the trails (Umm... hello, it is the Rocky 
> Mountains), so depending on the trails you choose, be prepared to contend 
> with rocks of various amount and size. Lower land trails usually aren't 
> packed with rocks, but if you head up, just be aware. I share this only 
> because I'm a mega klutz and have twisted ankles when not paying attention 
> to my surroundings.
>
> As has been stated, if you intend to rent a bike, University Bikes is a 
> great option... plus, the store is just fun to go in and poke around with 
> lots of fun stuff to see.
>
> As for food, we don't eat at many restaurants in Boulder, but if you like 
> pizza, I think everyone should have Beau Jo's at least once. :)
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:27:47 PM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm heading to Boulder next month, there seems to be a few locals here? 
>>  I'm not bringing a bike but could use a few tips on trails--either hiking 
>> or trail running.  I like peace and quiet so would prefer those types of 
>> trails (if possible).   I'll have a car so getting around won't be a 
>> problem.   
>>
>> I'll also take any food suggestions you may have--not much of a drinker 
>> though but you can offer your beer suggestions for the crowd!  Thanks for 
>> any tips.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: NITTO Pearl stems (new-ish)

[lum gim fong]

Prices are shipped CONUS:

1.  NITTO Pearl  stem. 8cm extension /22.2mm quill/ *26.0mm c*lamp. 
Gorgeous finish. 70$

2.  NITTO Pearl  stem. 8cm extension /22.2mm quill/ *25.4mm* clamp. 
Gorgeous finish. 70$

Pics coming.
Newish stems. Less than 500 miles on each, I would guess.
Paypal


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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Beach Build

[RichS]

Ann, 

Congratulations! It looks like your new Appaloosa and having access to the 
Gulf coast made your move from D.C. a pleasurable one. Like the description 
of what the San Marcos meant to you! I'm sure many of us on the list feel 
the same way about our rides. 

Best,
Richard 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:24:31 AM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> The back story:  five years ago, RBW built my Soma San Marcos for me.  I 
> absolutely loved the bike and rode it all the time, commuting to work, 
> errands, or just zipping around.  The bike became my gym, personal trainer, 
> and therapist.  Then a couple of months ago, due to work I moved from 
> Washington D.C. to Mississippi.  It was definitely a culture shock, 
> particularly for cycling.  There are no shoulders on the road and the 
> drivers are not used to bicycles or pedestrians.  The few brave souls I saw 
> on bikes were either riding on the sidewalks or beach boardwalk.  The paved 
> (mostly) beach boardwalk was the safest place to ride and I luckily live 
> close by.  But when I took my Soma out, it quickly became clear that it 
> wasn't going to work.  Sand accumulates in drifts on the boardwalk and my 
> poor Soma would fishtail and become stuck.  Also, the dips caused by spaces 
> in the paving had a jack hammer effect that went straight up my spine.  For 
> the first time, it wasn't fun riding anymore.  I needed a bike that could 
> accommodate big, fat, squishy tires that I could run a low psi.  Not being 
> able to ride felt like I was missing part of myself.  So I looked back to 
> RBW, who had given me my beloved Soma, for a bike that could be built up to 
> the baddest beach cruiser ever.
>
> I think I got the very last butternut frame in their inventory.  The color 
> is closer to a non metallic bronze and is stunning against the cream 
> accents.  My major upgrades were on Paul motolite brakes and WI MI5's.  The 
> Big Ben tires plow through the sand like it's nothing.  It is a wonderful 
> plush, buttery ride.  I have a new gym, personal trainer and therapist.  
> Best of all, I figured out to commute to work using the beach boardwalk.  
> There is about a mile and a half that I have to interact with cars.  But 
> the traffic is light and none of the drivers have tried to kill me yet 
> (yay!).  The Soma will be temporarily retired for now.  But I expect to use 
> both bikes in different capacities as long as I can pedal upright.
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Shawn Granton]

Here's a couple recent shots of my Bantam loaded up. I switch it up a bit, 
but there's generally a front "rando" style bag (North St), a frame bag 
(Jandd) and a saddlebag (Carradice.) And yes, there is food in there! ;-) 
 -Shawn







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[RBW] Velo-Orange just saved my wheel!

[WETH]

Always great to foil a bike thief, even though it's disconcerting to know 
someone tried to steal from you.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

My ~56cm Rivendell custom came to a little under 25 pounds, ready-to-ride. 
That means that weight includes a mini pump, tubes+small tools, a small bag 
to hold 'em all, and pedals ("official" bike weights often omit that!) 
Because I built it to be a randonneur-type ride, the weight even includes a 
Schmidt SON dynamo light+hub, fenders, and a small front rack.

Some highlights for you to consider:

   - Full Campagnolo Record 10-speed with lots of carbon, although no Ti 
   cassette
   - Titanium bits like the Record seatpost, Ibis quill stem, rails on the 
   B17, and some less-critical bolts
   - 32/36 spoked wheels with lightweight rims manufactured from Nb-Al 
   alloy and DT Revolution spokes; brass nipples though
   - Lightweight Challenge PR tires with lightweight Schwalbe SV-18 tubes
   - Super-exclusive Nitto "Soba" handlebar :)

There's nothing that I will cringe at, safety or performance-wise, but 
*some* (bike nerd) effort and monies were spent making it lighter where 
applicable during the spec+build, although not after to achieve a specific 
weight goal, because there wasn't one.




Sadly, I wish I ride this bike more. I'm mostly on my 30+ pound Atlantis 
nowadays.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

[Call Me Jay]

What stem angle are folks running to get to around bar height without a ton of 
spacers or super steep stem angle---6 or 7 degrees? Photos would be helpful if 
you have them.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

One thing I would not change is my Flyer saddles. They are worth their weight 
in gold. Maybe if they came out with a sprung Cambium. But I have to have my 
sprung saddles.

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[RBW] Re: Velo-Orange just saved my wheel!

[lum gim fong]

Did you give out a hearty "Mwah-hah-hah-hah-hah!!!", when you saw that the 
thief got foiled?

Glad you still have your wheel. Was it damaged or is it ok?
I use pitlocks but they are expensive.
Have to get some for the wife's bike.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Christopher Murray]

“Strong, light, cheap, pick two” 
-Keith Bontrager

True then, true now.

Chris

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[RBW] Appaloosa Beach Build

[Ryan Thompson]

Ann,

Beautiful build and cool beach shots. Did you happen to work at the Washington 
Navy Yard in DC?  I used to see someone riding a San Marcos with what appeared 
to be Albatross bars. 

Enjoy your new ride. 
Ryan
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Marc Irwin]

Here's a photo of my Hunq dressed up  for a trip with Surly front rack, 
Ortlieb Front-Roller bags, a medium Wald Basket and Large Saddlesack.  Here 
is a popular link to my blog about bike packing. 




Hope it helps.

Marc


On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB / WTT Tektro R559 with hex nut

[David Banzer]

Hi Jack,
The bolt is not a standard bolt that you can buy in a hardware store. 
However, Tektro uses the same mounting bolts on different brake models.
I've successfully swapped bolts out of the 800a model, which is 
inexpensive: https://www.modernbike.com/tektro-800a-sidepull-brake-set
You could do that then sell the set of 800a's as recessed mounts. You only 
need to swap the rear recessed with the bolt-on front.
David

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 5:12:39 PM UTC-5, Jack Barnes wrote:
>
> Hey Doug, that's a clever solution... might give it a try. However I've 
> also just learned that Tektro now sells a kit which allows you to swap out 
> the bolts. Which makes me wonder if I could just supply my own long bolt 
> from the hardware store... hmmm.
>
> -JB
>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 3:06:37 PM UTC-7, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jack.
>>
>> Not sure if you'd be into this, but if you have a set of normal recessed 
>> nut brakes you can use the rear on the front and the front on the rear. You 
>> put the short bolt brake on the fork and put the nut inside the steerer. In 
>> the back, use an external nut with a washer or one of those curved brake 
>> bridge fittings. Works perfectly well and it's Sheldon Brown approved 
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2017 6:16 PM, "Jack Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>> I need the front brake with exposed hex nut, for older bikes.
>>
>> I have a like-new front R559 with recessed nut that I could trade, but 
>> also happy to just buy one if you aren't into trades.
>>
>> Shipping to/from 97215.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 44 cm Nitto Noodles & Tektro RL520 brake levers

[dougP]

Bars & levers are sold.  

Thx,

doug

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 6:44:15 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Offering a couple of used but serviceable items.  Not abused & not 
> pristine.  The levers are the long cable pull version for V-brakes and have 
> chubby hoods.  The bars have some tape residue but are otherwise clean.  
> Been riding flat bars for a couple of years & doubtful these have any 
> future with me.  
>
> $30 for the bars and $10 for the levers (as shown, includes cable noodles 
> & some housing) plus shipping from 92606.  
>
> Doug Peterson
>

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[RBW] Re: Velo-Orange just saved my wheel!

[Marc Irwin]

Oh, I'm aware it's just a hollow allen key, but does you normal wheel thief 
know that or carry one around?  I doubt it, I'm just glad to see it foiled 
one of them.  I was 50 miles from home.

Marc

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 7:39:55 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Glad to hear that the skewer worked for you Marc.  I too have been using 
> them, although in reality, I don't leave my bike anywhere.  Not to be a 
> downer, but you should know that the hollow allen wrench "key" is widely 
> available on the web, and from V.O.  So it's a measure of security but not 
> too ideal.  You may also know that other companies make security skewers.  
> One is Hexlox, which also makes some cool security devices for all of the 
> bolts on your bike.  Cheers, Steve
>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 2:57:04 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>> I've been using their Anti-Theft skewers for years and just found out 
>> they really work! 
>> 
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Beach Build

[Les Lammers]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 12:04:49 AM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> Carla:  thank you!
>
> Bill:  thank you :)  I used bar wrap left over from another handlebar 
> project.  Although I like the how the harlequin wrap turned out, I'm not 
> crazy about the color.  It looks better in bright sunlight but seems too 
> monochromatic against the frame.  I am thinking of redoing it in maroon or 
> eggplant to make the cream and dark caramel really pop.
>
> Joe:  I was going for a 1950's Schwinn Hornet vibe but a chopper Rivendell 
> is so much cooler ;)
>
> Michael:  I bought the the bags as an impulse buy on Amazon because they 
> were cheap and looked cool.  I removed the creepy red star logos because I 
> didn't want my bike to be accused of belonging to Communist Army.  I 
> decorated them with random stuff to make them my own.
>
> Les:  I appreciate the tip.  The seafood and Cajun cuisine is one of the 
> perks for living in this region.  If I wanted to spend a weekend in New 
> Orleans with the therapist, any tips?  
>
 
Go in the fall when the weather is cooler. Ride the French Quarter early in 
the morning and keep your eye on your therapist. I prefer the Drago's 
Metairie  location. Great vibe and a fave of the locals. It is the real 
deal. http://www.dragosrestaurant.com/ 

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[RBW] Re: Velo-Orange just saved my wheel!

[islaysteve]

Glad to hear that the skewer worked for you Marc.  I too have been using 
them, although in reality, I don't leave my bike anywhere.  Not to be a 
downer, but you should know that the hollow allen wrench "key" is widely 
available on the web, and from V.O.  So it's a measure of security but not 
too ideal.  You may also know that other companies make security skewers.  
One is Hexlox, which also makes some cool security devices for all of the 
bolts on your bike.  Cheers, Steve


On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 2:57:04 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I've been using their Anti-Theft skewers for years and just found out 
> they really work! 
> 
>
> Marc
>
>
>

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