Re: [RBW] It looked like just a little stick...

[Patrick Moore]

No photos came through.

I busted a very nice Microshift road rd on the Fargo thanks to a stick; not
only shattered the cage, but bent the hangar inward fully 90*, so couldn't
remove the rd and singlespeed home; had to walk. Bike shop fixed the
hangar, but the MS rd was beyond redemption. Sad, because of all the rds
I've used, this was the very nicest shifting bar none, and put to shame the
7410 that replaced it (I use the 7410 because it's cool on a dirt bike, and
contrary in a perverse sort of way -- actually, the 7410 shifts 14-27 just
fine, but requires a bit more learning the technique; the MS was just plain
easy).

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> But it bent the der hanger pretty badly. WIped out the nice XT derailer,
> and broke a couple of spokes. Well, this will motivate me to strip down the
> bike and finally get it painted or have the clearcoat renewed.
>
>
> 
>
> Here it is in it's beausaged glory:
>
>
> 
>
>
> happy trails!
>
> jim m
>
> walnut creek, ca
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[RBW] Know Anybody in Lake Nacimiento?

[Eric Norris]

I’mm scouting out the route for my 2018 400-mile bike to work at the end of 
April, and I wonder if anybody on this list lives in or has a friend in Lake 
Nacimiento? I would love to find a bed to sleep on for one night, but 
everything online is in the “rent our estate” price range.

If you know someone with a bed (or a sofa) and a shower to share with a tired 
cyclist, please let me know.

--Eric N
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[RBW] It looked like just a little stick...

[Jim M.]

But it bent the der hanger pretty badly. WIped out the nice XT derailer, 
and broke a couple of spokes. Well, this will motivate me to strip down the 
bike and finally get it painted or have the clearcoat renewed. 



Here it is in it's beausaged glory:




happy trails!

jim m

walnut creek, ca

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Deacon Patrick]

Oh, boy! Thanks, Jan!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Jan Heine]

Patrick,

I am currently riding a bike with the knobby Pumpkin Ridge 650B x 42s here 
in Japan (check both the @compasscycle and @bikequarterly Instagram for 
some photos). I love the tires for the rides we are doing here in the 
winter. Of course, we have to weigh the issues of mold costs and the need 
to keep all these different products in stock, but your dream tire and mine 
aren't very far apart...

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com


On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC+9, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jan, Since you’re “on the line,” I noticed you have been testing 
> bikepacking rigs including with wider tires. Do you have any plans for 
> supple, 2.1” or wider 700c tires, including nobbies? Your Steilacoms are 
> brilliant in snow and gravel/sand and do amazingly well on pavement. I’d 
> love a bikepacking tike for my 700c Hunqapillar. Grin. I understand that 
> for much of the riding you do, the tires sizes you have for various wheel 
> sizes make perfect sense, but there is certainly a market for wider tires 
> in 700c and different types of riding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Deacon Patrick]

Jan, Since you’re “on the line,” I noticed you have been testing bikepacking 
rigs including with wider tires. Do you have any plans for supple, 2.1” or 
wider 700c tires, including nobbies? Your Steilacoms are brilliant in snow and 
gravel/sand and do amazingly well on pavement. I’d love a bikepacking tike for 
my 700c Hunqapillar. Grin. I understand that for much of the riding you do, the 
tires sizes you have for various wheel sizes make perfect sense, but there is 
certainly a market for wider tires in 700c and different types of riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS - Silver Joe Appaloosa 55 (Bay Area)

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Appaloosa is sold. I will continue to "Riv it" with my Big Ben'd and 
Bullmoosed MB-5. 

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Jan Heine]

Good question, John. It took some time to dig out all that data from the 
many tire tests we did. We never tried to show that our Compass tires were 
fastest – in fact, when we first tested tires, we didn't even sell tires. I 
pulled together the data...

Here are our roll-down tests:

Compass Extralight: 25.3 seconds
Compass Standard: 26.7 seconds
Michelin Pro2 Race: 26.8 seconds
Grand Bois Hetre: 27.1 seconds
Panaracer Pasela (non-Tourguard): 27.3 seconds
Schwalbe Marathon: 28.3 seconds
Rolly-Poly: 28.5 seconds
Maxy-Fasty: 29.8 seconds
Nifty-Swifty: 30.6 seconds

Small differences between tires don't mean much with real-road testing: 
there is always some noise, and our calibration for different temperatures 
on different test days may introduce a slight error. We also didn't test 
the Compass tires in our roll-down tests – they weren't available yet back 
then – but we tested other tires that performed identical in later track 
tests, which allows us to infer their performance. 

What this means is that it's impossible to say whether a Michelin Pro2 Race 
or a Compass Standard is faster... but you can say that you'll be 
significantly faster on a Compass Standard than on a Marathon.

To check out methodology, we also tested tires on a track (paved, not 
wooden) with a power meter. We didn't test all tire models, but we did test 
the following tires on the same day, at 27.78 km/h (17.3 mph). This means 
that the conditions were exactly the same, which reduces the 'noise' 
considerably:

- Compass standard: 157.8 W
- Schwalbe Marathon: 167.6 W
- Rivendell Rolly-Poly: 168.5 W

These results confirmed what we found in our roll-down tests, and since 
they were done at a constant speed, it's easy to see what this means in a 
real-world setting: To keep up on the rider with the first tire, a rider on 
the third tire must put out 7% more power. That is a huge difference – if 
you have two riders of identical fitness, the rider on the slower tires 
would be unable to keep up. And the 'standard' Compass tire isn't even the 
fastest tire we've tested - you can gain an extra 5% over that... If you go 
much faster than 17.3 mph, the difference will be smaller - wind resistance 
becomes more important – but if you go slower, the difference will be 
larger. That is why for most of us, tires make the biggest difference in 
the performance of our bikes.

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com

On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 8:49:13 AM UTC+9, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Jan
>
> I do remember the your original tests showing these to be slower.  Also, 
> the original tests had the Pasela with a low resistance, about the same as 
> the Grand Bois in it's size.
>
> Can you compare the resistance of a Compass tire to these, to allow one to 
> validate your claims??  I do not your claims, based on the casing 
> differences, but a little validation goes a long way.   Perhaps include the 
> resistance of a slower tire so one can see the Compass improvement, e.g.
> X = Compass
> Y = GB or Pasels
> Z = slower tire with a resistance of Y + (Y-X)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

[RonaTD]

René asked:
> Just out of curiosity, when wrapping the tape this way, how do you hold both 
> ends under the brake lever so they don’t unwrap? 
> And how do you ensure there are no gaps between both tapes on the opposite 
> side of the lever?

Good questions. I should have noted that I’m talking about standard drop bars 
and brake levers with hoods. The tape ends at the brake lever and runs up the 
side of the body. I orient the wrap direction so that the two halves end on 
each side of the lever body. If I want to ensure no gaps, I use a short piece 
of tape run at a bit of an angle from one side of the lever body to the other. 
The brake hood covers all the ends and holds them in place. I have also removed 
the brake lever body, leaving the clamp band in place, taped the bar, then 
installed the brake lever on top of the tape. It only works with thin tape, and 
some levers make that easier than others.  If you don’t have hoods on the brake 
levers, you could try that.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] FS: Moving sale, nice parts

[mkernanwilliams]

Hey group,   Im moving to Vermont soon from the Bay Area and would like to take 
less stuff :).   I have some parts for sale all in great condition.  Prices 
include shipping.   I tried to attach a photo but no luck.   Email me for photos

Sugino AT crank, 110/74 bcd,  170mm arm length.   $40
Sakae SX crank,  110/74 bcd, 170mm arm length . $30
Paul Mini- moto brakes, silver.   $160/pair
White Indutries Dos hub 17/19 $80
Thomson elite seatpost, setback, 27.2 $60
Soma layback seatpost, silver, 27.2 $20
Paul Love levers, long pull, compact.  $90/pair
3 pairs of Soma Osprey Bars $25/ each
Nitto Albatross bar, chromo version.$40
Outershell 1/2 framebag, large, tan $60

Please contact off list,   Thanks Mike


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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Funny as I just read her blog before jumping over to here.  I used to be an 
avid reader but kind of tapered off with her move to Ireland. Although I 
continued to read it it just didn’t grab me as before.  I, for one, did enjoy 
her bike and product reviews. She changed her cycling over time and her reviews 
reflected that. I’m glad she is back and hopefully is ok. 

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[RBW] FS: Moving sale, nice part

[Mike Williams]

Hey group,   Im moving to Vermont soon from the Bay Area and would like to take 
less stuff :).   I have some parts for sale all in great condition.  Prices 
include shipping.

Sugino AT crank, 110/74 bcd,  170mm arm length.   $40
Sakae SX crank,  110/74 bcd, 170mm arm length . $30
Paul Mini- moto brakes, silver.   $160/pair
White Indutries Dos hub 17/19 $80
Thomson elite seatpost, setback, 27.2 $60
Soma layback seatpost, silver, 27.2 $20
Paul Love levers, long pull, compact.  $90/pair
3 pairs of Soma Osprey Bars $25/ each
Nitto Albatross bar, chromo version.$40
Outershell 1/2 framebag, large, tan $60

Please contact off list,   Thanks Mike


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[RBW] Re: Head Badge

[KenP]

 The headbadge on my Appaloosa was attached loosely with double-backed foam 
tape.  The curvature of the headbadge was a little wavy contributing to the 
looseness of the badge which bumped off without any damage to the paint or 
the badge. Just a gentle tug and it was off.   Rivendell sent me some 
double-backed automotive tape that was too thin to fill the waviness gap 
between the badge and the headtube. I found some clear and thick Gorilla 
brand double-sided indoor/outdoor  mounting tape from the local hardware 
store, then attached it to the badge, trimmed the excess, and after 
cleaning and measuring where to put it back on the bike, attached it to the 
headtube and taped it in place with masking tape for a day.  I had cleaned 
the badge and headtube with Coleman camp fuel.
 If ever the badge needs to come off, fishing-line or dental-floss would 
probably do the trick.
  The headbadges on earlier Rivendells I have owned were attached more 
firmly--one by glue and another by screws, and would have been difficult to 
take off for a repaint.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 8:07:54 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> If you have removed a head bage from a Sam how did you do it and did it 
> remove any paint? I might want to put a different one on. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[John Hawrylak]

Jan

I do remember the your original tests showing these to be slower.  Also, 
the original tests had the Pasela with a low resistance, about the same as 
the Grand Bois in it's size.

Can you compare the resistance of a Compass tire to these, to allow one to 
validate your claims??  I do not your claims, based on the casing 
differences, but a little validation goes a long way.   Perhaps include the 
resistance of a slower tire so one can see the Compass improvement, e.g.
X = Compass
Y = GB or Pasels
Z = slower tire with a resistance of Y + (Y-X)

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/03/2018 06:04 PM, Jan Heine wrote:
t has been exciting to work with a tire maker who not only has the 
resources to develop great tires, but also has been willing to work 
closely with us to turn the results of our tests into actual tires we 
can ride. The rest of the tire industry is only slowly waking up to 
the fact that riders in the real world want and need wide tires that 
don't have sturdy 'touring' casings, but that offer the performance 
and comfort you can only get with a high-performance casing.


and are willing to pay for them, too

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Jan Heine]

P.S.: Tires like the Marathons and others mentioned previously serve a real 
need in the tire world, too. It's not that one tire is better than the 
other - it all depends on what you need in a tire. If you are riding half a 
mile to the train station, as many Germans do, a flat tire will have you 
miss the train. A Marathon will be a little slower and ride more harshly 
over the bumps, but you'll never notice that on your 5-minute ride. A 
Compass tire makes no sense in that scenario. Or if you plan a long ride on 
the shoulder of busy highways that are full of steel wires from exploded 
truck tires, you may want to trade speed and comfort for puncture 
protection.

That said, as we go with wider tires, the risk of flats is much-reduced. A 
42 mm tire at 40 psi simply rolls over a piece of glass that would puncture 
a 23 mm tire at 100 psi. And if you ride on the scenic backroads that see 
little travel, then you'll encounter far less debris, too.

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Jan Heine]

We did test Marathons, Rolly-Polies, Maxy-Fasties and Nifty-Swifties. All 
these were among the slower tires we tested. That shouldn't come as a 
surprise – these tires weren't designed as performance tires, so we only 
tested them to see how much you'd gain by going to high-performance tires. 
The answer is 'a lot' - especially if you ride at lower speeds than pro 
racers, who are more limited by aerodynamics than the rest of us.

Hetres were designed based on the results of our first tire tests, so they 
performed quite well. We then developed our Compass tires together with the 
engineers at Panaracer (who make Compass tires to our exclusive 
specifications). We used everything we'd learned from the Hetres and other 
Grand Bois tires (also made by Panaracer), to take comfort, speed and grip 
to the next level. We bench-marked these against tires like the Vittoria 
Open CX Corsa. Our testing indicates that the goal was achieved.

It has been exciting to work with a tire maker who not only has the 
resources to develop great tires, but also has been willing to work closely 
with us to turn the results of our tests into actual tires we can ride. The 
rest of the tire industry is only slowly waking up to the fact that riders 
in the real world want and need wide tires that don't have sturdy 'touring' 
casings, but that offer the performance and comfort you can only get with a 
high-performance casing.

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com

On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 3:57:09 AM UTC+9, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Did they test the Compass tires against Marathons. Rumplins, and Hetres 
> yet?

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[RBW] Neck gaiters claimed

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well used, but still warm and both reasonably clean. Tag reads something
> like "Seirus Innovation". Unstretched dimensions, profile view: 10" long
> and 7" high.
>
> Takem both if you can usem both, but don't takem if'n you cain't usem.
>
> I'll pay postage; you be patient.
>
> I find that if, in cold weather, I don't keep my neck warm, I get a sore
> throat, which devolves seriatim into sniffles, hoarsness, heavy sore
> throat, sinus infection, and thence to severe pulmonary infection, but I've
> also found that a nice, wool scarf works better than these -- I often wear
> a wool scarf to bed, and I had a nice Royal Stewart cut in half lengthwise
> to use while riding -- warmth without the bulk. Thus, these are yours if
> you can use them.
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Re: [RBW] ENO eccentric rear hub

[Patrick Moore]

It's easier to remove and install with vertical dropouts -- which is made
to fit -- than removing or installing a standard hub from/in horizontals
or, more so, track ends. Only, once you get the axle into the verticals,
you have to rotate the hub to tension the chain. But this is very easy;
grab the wheel and pull or push as needed.

Note that the ENO eccentric will take up slack rotated tire-up or rotated
tire-down. Tire up is easier, since the weight of the bike tends to push
down on the axle, thus rotate the hub up. This may be all very well, unless
so rotating hub and tire up brings the tire too close to the seatstay
bridge -- I had this problem and had to deliberately arrange for the hub to
rotate down to ensure sufficient clearance.

Also, the rotation of the hub makes the rim move; you'll have to position
your rear brake pads (in the event) to a given hub/rim position, and this
is why (IME with 2 ENOs) it's best to either use just one cog, or, if you
use 2 (and the eccentric can manage at most 2 teeth, IIRC) dispense with
the rear rim brake (and use a fixed drive train or double front brakes, as
on trikes).

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:50 PM, tc  wrote:

> Could someone with experience using this hub explain the basic steps for
> removing and reinstalling a wheel?  Anything that is esp. painful about it?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Thanks for the advice.  Like you said, you are 'local' to them so it's 
easier to develop a relationship.

It's hard to see how you could do such a large cash outlay without having 
concrete plans on how to use it up or some understanding on how to use it.  

One nice RBW did was to offer a 20% discount through 12/29/17, essentially 
the same deal.  I wonder if they are interested in say a $500 cash at EOY 
for a $600 credit.  Perhaps the $500 is too small.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ,  on the side of the country on US Rt40, about 2300 miles by 
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[RBW] Re: Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[lum gim fong]

I could spend it all in one phone call:

Roadeo for me
Glorious for the wife
Hubbahubbah for us
Custom...

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[RBW] Candy Bar gone

[Joe Huddleston]

iROBS,
   Thanks as the Baggins bag and bell are spoken for. 
JH

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Belopsky]

Hetres were the tires before Compass

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[RBW] Re: How to mount B tail light on this rack?

[somervillebikes]

Hi Ash,

I used two p-clamps on my Burley Piccolo rack to mount a Planet Bike 
taillight. I found the taillight acted as a lever arm and kept rotating 
downward. The solution was to wrap a small piece of inner tube over the 
rack before installing the p-clamps. Of course, you can just rubber-lined 
p-clamps from the get-go and avoid the problem.

Best,

Anton




On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 1:11:32 PM UTC-5, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> That's a robust solution! Might be the option I'll go for if p-clamps 
> don't work.
>
> Also, your photography is amazing!
>
> On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 10:10:24 UTC-8, Ash [who works to bike] wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the p-clamp idea Kainalu.  That seems like the right place 
>> to start!  I might even have some in the shed.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 30 December 2017 19:23:20 UTC-8, Kainalu V. wrote:
>>>
>>> Two small p-clamps on the rack would do the trick, or howzabout a fancy 
>>> (or not) fender mount? Only problem with the p-clamps would be that the top 
>>> of the light might be above the edge of the rack. Only problem with a 
>>> fender mount is, where do you buy a cool two bolt fender mount? Is the rack 
>>> steel? If so you could braze a tab on. Only problem with that is brazing 
>>> takes practice and equipment. So many possibilities...
>>> -Kai 
>>> BK NY 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv visit, quick note

[Belopsky]

I'm just waiting for BlueLug to post some photos of the Frank Jones Sr 
seeing as they have the frames already..

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[RBW] Bell Gone.

[Joe Huddleston]

The bell is spoken for, and the CB is looking for a new home still.
Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[Bill Lindsay]

No notion of a time limit ever came up with me.  Everybody at Riv knows I'm 
using my credit when I'm buying things, and I'm friendly with them all.  If 
any of them had any reason to request that I use it, I'm sure they would 
say something.  Dave, in particular, is the one who sweats the cash-flow 
details the most.  He'd call me and tell me to try to get it off the books 
if he needed me to do so.  If they do it again next year and you are 
tempted, you should call Dave and talk about it.  If you knew for a fact 
that you would sit on your credit for years and years with no intention to 
use it at all, I suspect they wouldn't want to get into that.   If you need 
to have detailed black and white terms in writing and need to avoid talking 
to them, then it's probably not the best thing for you.  I spend a fair bit 
there, so they know it's going to get used.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca 

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:47:17 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> I thought it had a 1Y time limit?  If it had a longer time limitation, it 
> would make sense for a Waterford F/F plus equipping it with RBW parts  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:23:44 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> One of the last BLUG posts for the year invited folks to buy a $6000 Riv 
>> store credit for $5000.  This helps the RBW cashflow and is way cheaper to 
>> Riv than a line of credit.  For those fortunate enough to take them up on 
>> it save a ton of money, provided they can think of ways to spend it.  
>>
>> I did it last year, and haven't quite spent it all yet.  Did any listers 
>> take the free money this year?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

I thought it had a 1Y time limit?  If it had a longer time limitation, it 
would make sense for a Waterford F/F plus equipping it with RBW parts  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:23:44 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> One of the last BLUG posts for the year invited folks to buy a $6000 Riv 
> store credit for $5000.  This helps the RBW cashflow and is way cheaper to 
> Riv than a line of credit.  For those fortunate enough to take them up on 
> it save a ton of money, provided they can think of ways to spend it.  
>
> I did it last year, and haven't quite spent it all yet.  Did any listers 
> take the free money this year?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought regarding the G One; as good as Compass's fatter Extralights?

[lconley]

I cannot comment on the G-ones, but I have drafted the local cycling club 
on my F@E on 26 x 3.8 Surly Black Floyds.

Laing


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[RBW] Re: T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[George Schick]

Man, that looks great.  Funny, just the other day while I was doing some 
off-season maintenance work on my Ram I  looked at the frame thinking that 
it sure would be nice to have the lugs outlined in a contrasting color. 
 But this additional pin stripe job is over the top.  I sure don't have the 
skills to do it.

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:37:26 PM UTC-6, T.O.M. wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering how it turned out and if you have any pics. Searched the 
>> forum but didn't see anything.
>
>
> So,  lum gim fong's inquiry got me motivated to have the frame chased & 
> faced, headset/fork installed.  One step closer to build!  Thanks lgf.
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought regarding the G One; as good as Compass's fatter Extralights?

[Patrick Moore]

Somewhat related question to Snoqualmie Pass users: do any of y'all use the
SP on a 35 mm outside/27 mm inside rim? If so, how fat do the SPs measure
in real life?

Thanks.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Sending to both lists because there are some who aren't on both lists.
>
> Can anyone give a personal description of their rolling resistance and
> "feel"? I am interested in the lightest 700C X 60, the "Liteskin".
>
> In particular, can anyone say how well they roll, how well they last,
> compared to the fattest Compass extra light models like the Snoqualmie and
> the Rat Trap Pass? (I know that the G One is fatter than either and taller
> than the RTP.)
>
> Will these be as fast rolling and as deliciously and pneumatically plump 
> (*ceteris
> paribus,* of course) as the Compass ELs?
>
> If the G One were as much better than the widely praised Big One, as that
> Big One was better than even the Liteskin Big Apples, then the G One will
> be a wonderful tire indeed, and worth the more-than-Compass price, to me,
> for the additional sand floatation (even tho' the side knobs on the F Freds
> do help cornering), and allow me to continue dreaming of blasting past
> roadies on a 31 lb fat tired bike (this becomes more dream and less reality
> as my sour old age increases).
>
> Size29 x 2.35
> ExecutionEvolution Line, Folding Bead
> ColorBlack
> Weight440 g
> PSI23-50
> EPI127
> ECE
> Tube19, 19A
> Price$80.00
> Art.No.11600974
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick "sorta kinda would-a be roadie himself" Moore
>
> Phil said in another email under another thread:
>
> *It looks like the G-One Speed has replaced the Big One, which replaced
> the SuperMoto. *
> *https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/racing_tires/G-ONE_Speed*
> 
> *I liked my Big Ones. They were much nicer than the Big Apples they
> replaced. Big Ones were being blown out for ~$20 a year or so ago, so maybe
> someone on the list picked up extras. *
>
> *Philip*
> *Santa Rosa, CA*
>
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[RBW] Opinions sought regarding the G One; as good as Compass's fatter Extralights?

[Patrick Moore]

Sending to both lists because there are some who aren't on both lists.

Can anyone give a personal description of their rolling resistance and
"feel"? I am interested in the lightest 700C X 60, the "Liteskin".

In particular, can anyone say how well they roll, how well they last,
compared to the fattest Compass extra light models like the Snoqualmie and
the Rat Trap Pass? (I know that the G One is fatter than either and taller
than the RTP.)

Will these be as fast rolling and as deliciously and pneumatically
plump (*ceteris
paribus,* of course) as the Compass ELs?

If the G One were as much better than the widely praised Big One, as that
Big One was better than even the Liteskin Big Apples, then the G One will
be a wonderful tire indeed, and worth the more-than-Compass price, to me,
for the additional sand floatation (even tho' the side knobs on the F Freds
do help cornering), and allow me to continue dreaming of blasting past
roadies on a 31 lb fat tired bike (this becomes more dream and less reality
as my sour old age increases).

Size29 x 2.35
ExecutionEvolution Line, Folding Bead
ColorBlack
Weight440 g
PSI23-50
EPI127
ECE
Tube19, 19A
Price$80.00
Art.No.11600974

Thanks.

Patrick "sorta kinda would-a be roadie himself" Moore

Phil said in another email under another thread:

*It looks like the G-One Speed has replaced the Big One, which replaced the
SuperMoto. *
*https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/racing_tires/G-ONE_Speed*

*I liked my Big Ones. They were much nicer than the Big Apples they
replaced. Big Ones were being blown out for ~$20 a year or so ago, so maybe
someone on the list picked up extras. *

*Philip*
*Santa Rosa, CA*

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[RBW] Re: cork-grip removal

[David B]

I'll add to installation tips. I don't glue my grips on. I use a strip of 
cloth handlebar tape on the bar, then put the grip on over it, carefully 
getting it snugly on. I've never had any issues with grips slipping or 
moving, and they can be removed carefully if needed and re-installed.
http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2012/06/more-arts-and-crafts-shellaced-cork.html
David

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:35:58 PM UTC-6, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> I'm not going to add any tips to removal, but if you are going to install 
> them: You just need a little Gorilla Glue. If you keep it on the lighter 
> side, you can remove them without drastic measures. 
>
> Yours,
> Shawn
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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis 64, double top tube

[Zack]

PM Sent!

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[RBW] Re: T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[T.O.M.]

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Just wondering how it turned out and if you have any pics. Searched the 
> forum but didn't see anything.


So,  lum gim fong's inquiry got me motivated to have the frame chased & 
faced, headset/fork installed.  One step closer to build!  Thanks lgf.

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[RBW] Re: cork-grip removal

[Shawn Granton]

I'm not going to add any tips to removal, but if you are going to install them: 
You just need a little Gorilla Glue. If you keep it on the lighter side, you 
can remove them without drastic measures. 

Yours,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[lum gim fong]

Did they test the Compass tires against Marathons. Rumplins, and Hetres yet?

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[RBW] Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[lum gim fong]

Blue Roadeo  with fork braze ons would be purchase #1.

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Re: [RBW] Baggins and Bell

[Joe Bunik]

I'll take the bell please!!
Joe

On 1/3/18, Joe Huddleston  wrote:
> FS;  1.A 1st. generation Rivendell Candy Bar Bag (c. early  2000's). Good
> used condition (the circular leather RBW emblem and the leather fob
> side/ring  were eventually removed).IMO  excellent place for some RBW mini
> patches . The usual beausage from a fariweather only cyclist's use. $20
> free USPS shipping.
> 2. Viva bicycle bell -the first kind RBW sold. $10 free USPS
> shipping.
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[RBW] Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[lum gim fong]

I wish!!

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[RBW] Did any listers accept the free money Riv was offering at the end of 2017?

[Bill Lindsay]

One of the last BLUG posts for the year invited folks to buy a $6000 Riv 
store credit for $5000.  This helps the RBW cashflow and is way cheaper to 
Riv than a line of credit.  For those fortunate enough to take them up on 
it save a ton of money, provided they can think of ways to spend it.  

I did it last year, and haven't quite spent it all yet.  Did any listers 
take the free money this year?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks Bob, for the link. That's a gentle update, and a good omen for the 
new year. I wish her the best. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Sorry - and glad! - to resurrect this particular post... 
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com
>
> An update from Velouria... nothing earth shattering but very real, very 
> grounded, and made me nod in agreement and smile.
>
> To a great 2018 for all,
>
> Bob L.
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:11:11 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any idea what Velouria on rge Lovely Bike blogs status is? 
>> The blog hasn't been updated in about 10 weeks; which is unusual. Maybe 
>> she's taking a hiatus, on vacation or something, but it seems to have 
>> halted rather suddenly with no warning. 
>> I hope she's OK!? 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Soma B-Line 650b Tires (38mm) plus tubes - $65 shipped.

[David B]

Bought a new wheelset for my Rivendell Redwood, and these came with. 
Redwood is now sporting Compass Switchback Hills, and I don't have another 
650b bike, so selling these.

FS: Soma B-Line Tires.

650b. 38mm. Minimal wear.
Comes with tubes - at least a pair, likely 3 or 4, as I have a bunch around 
from when I had another 650b frame.
$65 shipped conUS sent USPS Priority.
Reply offlist if interested.
Thanks,
David

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Deacon Patrick]

Peter, I think you’ll find today’s blog a timely answer to your question...
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/12-myths-in-cycling-1-wider-tires-are-slower/

Further, you can get back issues by topic, including tires, here: 
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/print/4-pack-bq-back-issues/ 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

[Peter Turskovitch]

I've often read on Jan Heine's blog that the BQ team has "proven" that big 
tires are just as fast. Where can I read these tests? I'm a subscriber to 
BQ but I've only read the last two editions. 



On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 5:38:54 PM UTC+1, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> It's true that René Herse's and Alex Singer's bikes went to narrower 700C 
> tires for their randonneur bikes. They didn't stop at 30-32 mm. By the 
> 1970s, their bikes were equipped with 25 or even 23 mm tires. This wasn't 
> necessarily because they thought these tires were faster – they were 
> following the general trend toward narrower tires.
>
> The wide 650B tires you see on French cyclotouring bikes from the 1930s 
> and 1940s bikes trace their origins to the insight of Velocio, the editor 
> of the magazine Le Cycliste. In the 1920s, he realized that supple, wide 
> tires roll as fast as narrow ones on smooth surfaces, and faster on rough 
> ones. His stories of riding far and fast on these big 'balloon' tires 
> captured the imagination of his readers. In the 1930s and 1940s, Velocio's 
> influence continued in the Concours de Machines (Technical Trials), where 
> the rules required wide tires. The Concours captured cyclists' 
> imaginations, and having a 'Concours Bike' was the dream of many. On the 
> rough post-war roads, wide tires also made sense.
>
> The last Concours was held in 1949. Cars and mopeds were becoming popular, 
> and in the downturn of the bike industry, It was hard to find the money and 
> initiative to organize another Concours. Without anybody promoting wide 
> tires, cyclotouring bikes started following racing bike practice, and many 
> switched to 700C wheels and narrow tires. 650B made a minor comeback after 
> Serge Félix rode a 650B Herse to third place in the 1955 Poly de Chanteloup 
> hillclimb race. One of our René Herse posters 
>  shows 
> him during that ride. He demonstrated once again that wider 650B tires 
> aren't slower even on smooth roads. But a single result wasn't enough to 
> turn the tide, and the '650B revival' was short-lived.
>
> And as demand dwindled, supple, wide tires became unavailable. Rene Herse 
> stuck with wider tires and 650B longer than most, but without any 650B 
> tires beyond heavy utility models, it didn't make sense to build 
> high-performance 650B bikes. In the 1960s, Wolber introduced their "Super 
> Randonneur" 650B tires so that the old bikes still out there could continue 
> rolling, and that led to many touring and camping bikes being built for 
> 650B again. But those tires were just 32 mm wide, reflecting the general 
> trend to narrower tires. By then, 700C bikes already used 25 mm tires. The 
> French Confrerie des 650 consists of riders who came of age during that 
> time, and that is why they champion the 650B x 32 mm tire size so ardently, 
> and are quite disappointed that the world has gone to 650B, but in much 
> wider widths than used by the bikes of their youth.
>
> Velocio's insights that wider tires can be as fast as narrow ones weren't 
> rediscovered until Bicycle Quarterly, and, shortly afterward, others like 
> the Cervelo pro team, started testing tire resistance with the rider on the 
> bike. Now, more than a decade later, it's well-established that wider tires 
> roll as fast as narrow ones, provided they use the same casing and 
> construction.
>
> However, performance isn't everything, and the feel of the bike can be 
> just as important, especially to a non-competitive rider. Narrow tires do 
> feel different, and Mike Kone has often said that he likes a 'connected' 
> feel to the road. A wider tires insulates you from the road surface, which 
> can be good for speed and comfort, but may not be what you want if you 
> enjoy a 'sports car' feel. I suspect that it's this feel that Mike really 
> is talking about when he writes that wide tires aren't as "fast and perky."
>
> At Compass Cycles, we respect all approaches, which is why we offer our 
> tires in a variety of widths and diameters. We can tell you which tire is 
> faster (or not), but we won't tell you which bike feel you should prefer. 
> There are many wonderful bikes out there. While my tires may be wider than 
> most, I equally enjoy my Firefly with its 'wide' 54 mm tires and my J. P. 
> Weigle with its 'narrow' 38s, and my other bikes with their 'in-between' 
> 42s.
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> www.compasscycle.com 
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree.  The stories, pictures, reports of adventures and 
discoveries, those were and are the things I really appreciate.

I am just so glad to know she is ok, riding her bike, enjoying life even 
with the seemingly inevitable challenges and surprises that we all face at 
times.  I hope she keeps writing and hope as well she feels free to write 
whatever means the most to her.  It was interesting to hear her lack of 
interest in all of the new and muddled tech in the bike world as well as 
her going to film versus digital.  

Given time, luck, thought... our worlds converge. 

Bob


On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 10:21:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing. I am glad, cause I really enjoy the writing.
>
> I suspect I won't miss the tech/spec posts anyways. I really enjoyed the 
> stories and exploring the various aspects of cycling in her life.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Philip Kim]

Thanks for sharing. I am glad, cause I really enjoy the writing.

I suspect I won't miss the tech/spec posts anyways. I really enjoyed the 
stories and exploring the various aspects of cycling in her life.

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 11:04:06 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Sorry - and glad! - to resurrect this particular post... 
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com
>
> An update from Velouria... nothing earth shattering but very real, very 
> grounded, and made me nod in agreement and smile.
>
> To a great 2018 for all,
>
> Bob L.
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:11:11 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any idea what Velouria on rge Lovely Bike blogs status is? 
>> The blog hasn't been updated in about 10 weeks; which is unusual. Maybe 
>> she's taking a hiatus, on vacation or something, but it seems to have 
>> halted rather suddenly with no warning. 
>> I hope she's OK!? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry - and glad! - to resurrect this particular post... 

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com

An update from Velouria... nothing earth shattering but very real, very 
grounded, and made me nod in agreement and smile.

To a great 2018 for all,

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:11:11 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> Anyone have any idea what Velouria on rge Lovely Bike blogs status is? The 
> blog hasn't been updated in about 10 weeks; which is unusual. Maybe she's 
> taking a hiatus, on vacation or something, but it seems to have halted 
> rather suddenly with no warning. 
> I hope she's OK!? 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Larger frame Riv

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've been slow in getting around to putting my Rosco Bubbe v2 on the market
- if it's interesting, I'll gather more details for you. It's the one
officially sized as a 55.5 but with 66cm effective top tube:

[image: Inline image 1]

Original details from RBW here:

http://roscobubbe.tumblr.com/

Some pics from a ride last year: https://goo.gl/photos/m8aYDSHRvVWZ7m558

Still built up the same, except front racks/basket have been removed - I'd
sell the frameset up to complete build.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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> Looking for larger size frame (at least 61cm). Open to what’s out there.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Options for Seat Heigh of 65

[Jonathan D.]

Thank you everyone. There are some great options no hadn’t thought of the 47 
Roadini. That might be a great choice and compliment to the Clementine. I also 
like the idea of a 48 Sam but looks like I would have to wait a for a used one. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Larger frame Riv

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Justin,

I’ve been thinking about finding a new home for my 62cm Hunqapillar, either
as a complete bike or a frame and fork. Would that be if interest to you? I
can take pictures and put together more details.


Best,
Reed

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[RBW] WTB: Larger frame Riv

[Justin Schoop]

Looking for larger size frame (at least 61cm). Open to what’s out there. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: ENO eccentric rear hub

[lconley]

You must determine whether you want the eccentric forward or rearward (or 
if you have the option of positioning it forward or rearward) - this 
determines chain length (the rearward position can use a longer chain). I 
used it on bicycles (Sam H and Roscoe Bubbe) where I wanted more tire 
clearance, so it was rearward for me. Then you need to determine if you 
want the eccentric up or down. Again more tire clearance meant downward. 
Also the beauty of the down rearward position (or front upward) was that 
the weight of the bicycle tensioned the chain - I positioned the eccentric 
down and back, inserted into the dropout with the bike upright and let the 
bicycle down onto the ground - the weight of the bicycle rotated the 
eccentric back and down a little further, then I just tightened the bolts.

Laing

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 8:50:11 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:

> Could someone with experience using this hub explain the basic steps for 
> removing and reinstalling a wheel?  Anything that is esp. painful about it?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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