[RBW] Re: FS: NITTO Pearl stems (new-ish)

[lum gim fong]

Bump up.
60$ each shipped CONUS


1.  NITTO Pearl  stem. 8cm extension /22.2mm quill/ *26.0mm c*lamp/16cm 
tall. Gorgeous finish. Now 60$

2.  NITTO Pearl  stem. 8cm extension /22.2mm quill/ *25.4mm* clamp/16cm 
tall. Gorgeous finish. Now 60$

Scroll up for pic links and descriptions.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Dirt Drop Stem - $40 Shipped

[Jeffrey Arita]

SOLD

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:02:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> For Sale: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 100mm, 26.0 mm handlebar clamp diameter.  
> Very clean.  Asking $40 shipped CONUS.  Please PM me with questions.  
>
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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[Harald Kliems]

Ken:
That's really interesting. Your "before" experience very much matches mine 
-- I've tried North Road, flat bars, bar ends, Ergon grips, but nothing 
ever was truly comfortable. And I've tried it on bikes with different kinds 
of fit, from a Dahon folder, a Surly fat bike, to a Gunnar Roadie. Looking 
at your Flickr stream and comparing the (beautifully built up!) HHH and 
your single bikes, it looks like the saddle-to-bar height is quite 
different, with the HHH putting the bars several inches above the saddle, 
whereas on your singles bars and saddles seem to be roughly level. May that 
explain the difference? I'm not sure if I ever tried non-drop-bars on a 
bike where the handlebars were much above the saddle (partly because there 
just aren't that many non-custom bikes where that is even possible if 
you're 6'5"...).

I shall study the HHH geometry charts more closely and at some point also 
shoot an email to Rivendell to see what they have to say on the topic.

Thanks for sharing your perspective and the offer for a test ride!

 Harald.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 11:44:25 AM UTC-6, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> From the perspective of a HubbuHubbuH owner, drop bar preferrer, upright 
> bar skeptic.
>
> I've got a couple of other bikes set up with Albatross bars, tried 
> different flavors of mustache bars on different bikes over the years. I've 
> never found myself comfortable for more than an hour and downright 
> uncomfortable for anything longer than about 50 miles or 3-hours.  I have 
> an older Trek T200 that I have ridden with both drop bars, and most 
> recently setup with Albatross and it's *okay*, never been an 
> extraordinarily comfortable bike for me, despite it's similar fit 
> dimensions to other single bikes.
>
> When I ordered the HHH, I figured... "what the heck" and started with the 
> upright Bosco bar thinking I would someday convert to drops if I hated it.  
> I have to honestly say, I think I REALLY like the upright bars on the 
> HubbuHubbuH.  I took a long tour this summer on it with my two daughters 
> and spent MANY hours in the saddle and didn't ever experience any hand 
> and/or arm discomfort, I was shocked.  My biggest anxiety prior to the trip 
> was concern that I'd get down the road on something like day 2 and *hate *the 
> handlebar...  This stuck in my head prior to leaving, even more than the 
> concerns I had about heading off for a week fully loaded with my daughters.
>
> The geometry images http://hubbuhubbuh.tumblr.com/ 
> 
>  
> may not be the final geometry(?), but do indicate LONG top tube reach 
> designed for an upright bar.  Maybe one of those dimensions would fit with 
> your sweet spot.I realize that my experience and upright bar proselytizing 
> may not convince you to drop a big chunk of money on something you don't 
> like. I will offer this, if you find yourself in the Twin Cities area... 
> contact me off list and I'd be happy to make arrangements so that you can 
> go for a test ride on my size Medium .
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-6, Harald Kliems wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>> This is my first post in the group -- some of you may recognize my name 
>> from the iBOB or 650B lists, though. I am not yet an RBW Owner. But I am in 
>> the market for a tandem, and the HHH seems like a wonderful option. The 
>> only major concern I have: Will I be able to set it up with drop bars? My 
>> goal here is not to make it racier or something like that; it's just that 
>> my wrists do not get along with anything that's not a drop bar. I was 
>> wondering if anyone here has set up their HHH with drop bars and how they 
>> like it. Looking at the geometry charts, I don't see any obvious issues (I 
>> am 6'5" and therefore the larger reach of drop bars may actually be a 
>> positive). But I'm by no means a tandem expert and I'd be curious to hear 
>> some first-hand experiences. Or well-informed opinions. 
>> Thanks,
>>  Harald in Madison (WI)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[David Scelfo]

Its something everyone should do once.  I’ve done it twice which is how I came 
to that conclusion.  As everyone said, half pushin, half pedaling.  Very unique 
perspective of the city though so many parts where I said “I can't believe 
Im riding my bike here!”

Biggest challenge is there are so many non-cyclists with no cycling etiquette 
and kids not paying attention etc that there are some sketchy moments, 
especially sharp turns.

Suggestions:
Dont stop at rest areas if you dont have to
Narrower handlebars
Patience

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Yes indeed, Adam, and you're already set up for it. You'll need a single cog 
and Gear Clamps or spacers (Riv has everything), tensioner, and shorten the 
chain a bit (8-speed. If you have a 9 that won't work). The Paul Melvin acts 
like the cage on a regular derailer, and has a bit of float in the top pulley 
like Shimano mechs..it'll handle front shifts just fine. I presume the cheaper 
Alfine tensioner is the same. 

I'm leaning this way after doing another neighborhood ride this evening. I did 
laps yesterday in the big ring, then tried the smaller ring this time and 
quickly realized I'm going to wish I could switch easily between them to save 
my back. One thing I'd forgotten about when mashing the big ring last night is 
that I have an old injury that gets tweaked if I really overdo the 
standing/mashing thing. The twinge I felt this morning reminded me! 

I really want to keep things simple and have the "just ride" experience of 
singlespeeding without all the shift-shift-shift - I have other bikes for that, 
but the terrain around here is up/down enough that I'm going to need front 
shifts. I have a nice vintage Dura-Ace mech around here somewhere that might 
work. The project continues!

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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

[Will]

Consider submitting a more formal picture to Riv. They publish neat bikes 
these days on the blog. What you have is great.  

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:41:45 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Thanks folks!  I love this bike.  The color match is uncanny. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[adam leibow]

Is it possible to make this a shiftable 2-speed with a front derailer? 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I 
> would show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as 
> encouragement for anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the 
> jump. Apologies for the lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build 
> finished and just did some laps around the block after sunset. I'll had a 
> sunny outdoor album to this thread soon. 
>
> RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
> Nitto stem and Choco bars.
> Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
> Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy 
> mentions that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual 
> for mtb levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
> Ergon grips, German mirror. 
> Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda 
> Shimano dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, 
> members!)
> Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish 
> brown sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the 
> blue frame. Sweet!
> 17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
> Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
> 8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the 
> single cog.
> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.
>
> Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
> impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes 
> I've owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could 
> be my brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who 
> knows??
>
> My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed 
> and I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this 
> direction because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years 
> and riding ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out 
> the big gear as much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there 
> if I really need it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I 
> was living on, or I wouldn't have even attempted this. 
>
> The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the 
> Deacon's Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. 
> I have some shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the 
> minimalist thing too far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I 
> saw that setup once on a Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I 
> like the look. 
> Get a Cheviot!  
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3
>
> Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, it's also very close to my old Romulus. I'm pretty sure they're all the 
same color. It's so pretty!

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[RBW] Re: Adam's Chev on the BLUG

[adam leibow]

Sean, 

Sorry for the delay in reply. I have the large wald basket, which I guess 
rivbike.com calls "huge." I recommend this size. The medium feels small and 
my girlfriend would tell you it's not big enough (she has it on her 
Atlantis) for commuting and general use. The Large/Huge (whatever you want 
to call it) is the sweet spot IMO where you can fit a ton of stuff in it, 
almost to the point where you probably risk hurting/bending your smaller 
nitto rack if you overfill it with heavy stuff. This is why I have the 
marks rack with double struts + irish strap connecting the tombstone on the 
rack to the bars for added support. Something like a pass and stow would be 
able to handle a heavier load with more confidence but looks less elegant 
and adds even more weight to the total ride. 

Additionally, if you ever bike camp, the medium won't be big enough by a 
longshot IME. My fav setup for a s24o would be the combo of the marks rack 
with large/huge basket and large sackville (pictured on my cheviot) plus a 
large saddlebag like a Makeshifter outback or Ultra Swift Fabios chest or 
w/e it's called. 

The reason I am hesitant to call the large "huge" (as Rivendell does) is 
there exists an even larger size, "giant," which is truly huge and might be 
confused as being the "huge" Riv sells, were you to ask for the "huge" at 
your local bike store. 

Happy Trails

Adam




On Monday, December 25, 2017 at 8:31:47 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:
>
>
> Great looking bike, Adam.
>
> I've got a 60 cm in grey that I built up over the summer.  It is used as a 
> grocery getter and a trail rider.  With winter firmly in place in western 
> New York, I've got the bike in the basement so that I can make a few 
> modifications.  I currently have a Mark's rack on the bike and an Ostrich 
> handlebar bag.  However, I would like to replace the bag with a Wald 
> basket.  However, I am struggling to decide whether to get the medium or 
> the huge Wald basket.  
>
> What rack / basket combo is on your Cheviot?  Do you have any issues with 
> the brake / shift cables getting in the way of the basket?
>
> Thanks for the information.  I'd love to hear suggestions / 
> recommendations from the group.
>
> Sean
> EA, NY
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

[LBleriot]

Thanks folks!  I love this bike.  The color match is uncanny. 

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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In my opinion, bikes always look better with fenders :)

That is a really close match for the the grilver and an overall sharp 
looking bike.
  

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe:

The blue is really beautiful and looks close to the silvery aquamarine 
color of my San Marcos.  I look forward to more pictures once you have the 
Woody's installed and the bike broken in.  I love how the cream accents 
look against the metallic blue.

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[RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Deacon Patrick]

Heads up if you are planning on using a Dingle Cog on a fixed build and haven’t 
ordered one yet. The 17/21 is gone, but there are some of the others available 
and various venders. Get um while the gettin’s good!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[ascpgh]

My wife and I rode it a few years ago. We stayed overnight in Newark, drove 
to Staten Island in the morning and rode the ferry over to Battery Park 
(just like in the movie Working Girl). When the ride finished, in Staten 
Island, we were able to enjoy a bit of the finish line festival then just 
walk/ride to the car and head out, well ahead of folks who stayed in the 
city and had to take the ferry back then drive out of Manhattan. 

It was slow rolling (walking) until we made it to Wall Street and got to 
pedal. Be prepared for your own water and food. The rest stops are 
inundated with at least a third of the 30,000 like-minded cyclist riding 
that day. We were way behind on hydration and food as we were heading out 
the Gowanus Expressway and my wife being the lesser rider of us, required 
the seatpost push to power on for those last miles and the public commerce 
in park at the Verrazano Narrows bridge. Best $5 Gatorade I'd ever had. 

It was way fun from a physical geography perspective and having a romp in 
NYC you can't get otherwise. As a bike ride alone it's a bit cumbersome 
with the participants. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 


On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 5:58:44 PM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> I need to re-up my hipster cred so this is going to be perfect 
>
> :-)
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. It's a lot of fun, a great way to experience the city. Lots of 
>> stopping and barely moving. If you thinks it's like a big group/charity 
>> ride, adjust your expectations. But I would highly recommend it.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightest canti-Rivendell is?

[Bill Lindsay]

I bet somebody could execute a racy Legolas build that’s well below 20 pounds 
total. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

Still for SALE. Hope somebody snaps this up soon!

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightest canti-Rivendell is?

[Steven Sweedler]

I have a custom  Rivendell Road from 1996, 753, with cantilever brakes.
Designed for 28 mm tires with fenders, I run it with 32 mm tires without.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 6:02 PM christian poppell  wrote:

> If I had to vote it would be the Legolas.
>
> I would also hazard a guess that someone asked for a canti Roadeo
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Legolas?
>> Saluki?
>> Jones?
>>
>> Was a Roadeo ever canti?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Lightest canti-Rivendell is?

[iamkeith]

The Romulus came in a canti version.  It was basically an inexpensive 
version of the Rambouillet.  Not sure how it compared to the Legolas, 
weight-wise .  I always assumed that since Legolases (Legola? Legoli?) 
were/are built-to-order as a cyclocross racing specific bike, that the 
tubing was tailored to the rider.  I could be wrong though.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 3:17:07 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Legolas?
> Saluki?
> Jones?
>
> Was a Roadeo ever canti?
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[RBW] Re: Fendering a Quickbeam

[christian poppell]

Thanks everybody!

I've got a set of VO smooths kicking around that I'm not using, I might put 
those on. Going to need new stays though as I had them on my 650b bike. 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 7:24:49 AM UTC-8, Pondero wrote:
>
> Yes, I believe my longboards are 45mm also.  It would be nice to have a 
> little more space between tire and fender, but this my city bike, and it 
> has worked quite well.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: Lightest canti-Rivendell is?

[christian poppell]

If I had to vote it would be the Legolas. 

I would also hazard a guess that someone asked for a canti Roadeo


On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Legolas?
> Saluki?
> Jones?
>
> Was a Roadeo ever canti?
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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I need to re-up my hipster cred so this is going to be perfect 

:-)


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>
> Agreed. It's a lot of fun, a great way to experience the city. Lots of 
> stopping and barely moving. If you thinks it's like a big group/charity 
> ride, adjust your expectations. But I would highly recommend it.

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[RBW] Lightest canti-Rivendell is?

[lum gim fong]

Legolas?
Saluki?
Jones?

Was a Roadeo ever canti?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[R Shannon]

Tim and Doug:

Thank you for all the info on packing and shipping.

Doug, your packing case sounds like it offers maximum protection. Perfect for 
my Atlantis too:-)

Thanks again,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:41 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Richard:
> 
> I got mine at Performance many years ago.  Currently there are several 
> manufacturers and no doubt the features & technology are better.  For 
> instance, my case weighs 30 lbs empty, so pack the Atlantis with racks, etc., 
> & 70 lbs tips the scales pretty quick.  I haven't shipped my bike now for a 
> few years but IIRC there was also a weight limit that I got close to.  Of 
> course, any limit can be exceeded but costs money.  
> 
> That 30 lbs of case weight does include a lot of protection for the bike.  
> Look for cases with wheels & handles so you can easily roll it around rather 
> than trying to carry it.  
> 
> Pro tip on case measurements:  Clerks have been know to have difficulty 
> getting the correct dimensions when wrestling with large boxes.  Get some big 
> stencils, at least 4", & spray paint the dimensions right on the box, 
> including the total.  They see that, it looks official, and they don't have 
> to mess with it, they just accept it.  Saves discussions about how to measure.
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>> Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart investment.
>> Thanks very much,
>> Richard
>> 
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[RBW] WTT: My Nitto M32 for your Marks rack

[mkernanwilliams]

Hey group, wondering if anyone is interested in swapping a M32 front rack for a 
Marks rack.   Just let me know!   Thank you!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Of course the only chainring bolt I can’t replace with the torq wrench is the 
nutty behind the crank arm one. But 4/5ths is better than none!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Clayton.sf]

I also really like the Torx CR bolts that Shimano specs on their mtb cranks. 
they tend to resist stripping better. (don't have link)

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahh! You are a master of Google Foo, Shoji! Universal said the double FSA will 
work. Thank you!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agreed. It's a lot of fun, a great way to experience the city. Lots of stopping 
and barely moving. If you thinks it's like a big group/charity ride, adjust 
your expectations. But I would highly recommend it.

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Re: [RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Steve Palincsar]

Looks plenty svelte to me!


On 01/11/2018 03:50 PM, LBleriot wrote:
I promised myself that I would keep the Roadini svelte and unburdened, 
but the crap weather in the Northeast pushed me to fender it up.  I 
mounted 28mm tires and graphite Mud Butler fenders that match the 
grilver frame.  May never take them off.




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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Shoji Takahashi]

Problem Solvers?
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=57410=50

Maybe these FSA? It looks like hex on one side and Torx on other. I haven't 
seen this IRL, so you'll need to confirm.
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=4903

Shoji

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>
> Shoji, I found those, but they are single chain-ring only — which I am 
> considering, but for now double is ideal. Anyone making doubles? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS Mark's M1 front rack

[Steve Butcher]

I decided to keep my rack.  I've switched it to a different bike and using 
it as a rear rack for a small trunk bag. 

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:29:04 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Since I'm going the full Clem route for a rack for my Rosco Mixte, I'm 
> offering for sale my Mark's rack.  Included in the offer is the rack with 
> parts,  an Irish strap, and a Nitto #6 left lamp mount.  I purchased the 
> rack new last spring and used it to mount a medium Wald basket in which to 
> carry my lunch on my commutes to work.  The rack is in excellent shape and 
> has never been damaged.  The struts have never been cut; I've only bent 
> them a bit to fit the rack to the bike.  I'm asking $135.00 shipped in 
> CONUS with preferred payment being PayPal.  Please send me a PM with 
> questions.  Thanks for looking, Steve.
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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Shoji, I found those, but they are single chain-ring only — which I am 
considering, but for now double is ideal. Anyone making doubles?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. Nice match. Looks great.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:50:15 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> I promised myself that I would keep the Roadini svelte and unburdened, but 
> the crap weather in the Northeast pushed me to fender it up.  I mounted 
> 28mm tires and graphite Mud Butler fenders that match the grilver frame.  
> May never take them off.
>
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Deacon,
Wolftooth sells 'em. Maybe others for less.
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/chainring-bolts/products/set-of-5-chainring-bolts-nuts-for-1x

Good luck!
Shoji


On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 3:39:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Clayton: link please? I would love allen on both sides!

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[LBleriot]

I promised myself that I would keep the Roadini svelte and unburdened, but 
the crap weather in the Northeast pushed me to fender it up.  I mounted 
28mm tires and graphite Mud Butler fenders that match the grilver frame.  
May never take them off.

  

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[LBleriot]

Can be lots of fun.  Be prepared for stops/stalls/waiting.  It's more of a 
rolling hipster fest.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:42:55 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Did anybody else sign up? My brother in law and I signed up...
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[dougP]

Richard:

I got mine at Performance many years ago.  Currently there are several 
manufacturers and no doubt the features & technology are better.  For 
instance, my case weighs 30 lbs empty, so pack the Atlantis with racks, 
etc., & 70 lbs tips the scales pretty quick.  I haven't shipped my bike now 
for a few years but IIRC there was also a weight limit that I got close 
to.  Of course, any limit can be exceeded but costs money.  

That 30 lbs of case weight does include a lot of protection for the bike.  
Look for cases with wheels & handles so you can easily roll it around 
rather than trying to carry it.  

Pro tip on case measurements:  Clerks have been know to have difficulty 
getting the correct dimensions when wrestling with large boxes.  Get some 
big stencils, at least 4", & spray paint the dimensions right on the box, 
including the total.  They see that, it looks official, and they don't have 
to mess with it, they just accept it.  Saves discussions about how to 
measure.

dougP

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
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> Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart 
> investment.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Richard
>

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Clayton: link please? I would love allen on both sides!

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought the Bike Pro soft travel case. My 62cm A. Homer Hilsen fit just fine. 
I took it on the plane with me to France for PBP. I checked it at JFK and for 
some reason, did not have to pay a fee (but the American website was pretty 
clear that bikes were at least $150 if not oversized.) Since we stayed in 
Europe for a while, I shipped it back home in the case via Bike Flights. It 
cost me $220 from Paris to Connecticut and they picked it up at the hotel.

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[dougP]

Ben:

Yes, the 130" is Fed Ex & UPS ground.  Last time I looked into taking my 
case on United it was some horrendous cost like $300 each flight or 
something else prohibitive.  Beyond 62" airlines call it oversize & the 
rate skyrockets.   

You are correct that airlines limit is 62" which is a large suitcase size, 
nowhere big enough for a bike (unless Bike Friday or similar folder that 
goes into the 62" case).  I've not used Southwest or Jet Blue but have 
heard they take bikes at a reasonable cost.  Not sure what the packing 
requirements are though.  Worth checking on. 

dougP 

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:50:03 AM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Interesting ideas guys. 
>
> I will look into the Amtrak idea.
>
> Doug, are you sure about 130"? It seems airlines are mostly at 62 
> dimensional inches (length+height+width). 130 dimensional inches would be a 
> BIG box. The one I'm using to ship this sold bike is 81" (42+30+9). 
>
> As far as flights vs shipping, JetBlue is only $50, Southwest $75, and 
> United is $100 (but I really dislike United, so I'm not sure about that 
> one). Those are all options and give or take a BikeFlights shipment price 
> (assuming I can get it under their box size limits, as Eric points out).
>
> Any ideas on the best cases for large frames?
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:31:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Ben:
>>
>> Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
>> airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
>> airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
>> packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
>> about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
>> Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 
>>
>> Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has 
>> been 130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
>> meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
>> but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  
>>
>> Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
>> down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
>> years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
>> Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
>> bike is priceless.  
>>
>> Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
>> forums.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member 
>>> and also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with 
>>> me. Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when 
>>> it comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
>>> aren't so damn big. 
>>>
>>> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
>>> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
>>> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>>>
>>> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs 
>>> shipping it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline 
>>> dependent, as the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make 
>>> sense. But assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does 
>>> BikeFlight offer anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do 
>>> you ship it too, if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike 
>>> shop? 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Clayton.sf]

There are bolts that use an allen on both ends. Quite a nice feature.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Just get a new crank , almost anything is better than an XD.   Even the 
> modest Origin8 110 BCD single/double crank for $50 is better than those. 
>
> As for those silly chainring "devices" that don't qualify as a "tool" 
> because tools work, the Park ones at least  are so ill fitting that I 
> can see how people would strip the bolt.  It's a "devise" of futility, and 
> Park keeps making the same darn thing, unimproved, decade after decade 
> after decade.  
>
> Yeah ... be done with it  new crank.
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

If RBW only had the finances of an Amazon. One can dream.

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Garth]

Just get a new crank , almost anything is better than an XD.   Even the 
modest Origin8 110 BCD single/double crank for $50 is better than those. 

As for those silly chainring "devices" that don't qualify as a "tool" 
because tools work, the Park ones at least  are so ill fitting that I 
can see how people would strip the bolt.  It's a "devise" of futility, and 
Park keeps making the same darn thing, unimproved, decade after decade 
after decade.  

Yeah ... be done with it  new crank.

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Nice bike Joe!  I have a green one that has all the racks and fenders on it. I 
sometimes think I should strip it down but haven’t done so yet. Enjoy it!

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[masmojo]

It's very interesting, when I  first decided I would breakdown & finally buy a 
Rivendell; a Sam seemed like an obvious choice, but at the time they no longer 
had any Cantilever braked Sams in my size. Ended up getting a Clementine & then 
a used Atantis. Then the Joe Appaloosa came out & it was a bit of a head 
scratcher, because even though the geometry of the two is different it 
certainly seemed like it was going to cannibalize Sam sales. So Sams having 
Cantis now makes me wonder about the future of the Joe Appaloosa, because some 
time back Grant hinted that there was going to be a "slimming" of models.  This 
hints at that I think!?

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Re: [RBW] Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum, Jeffrey, and Patrick of the Moore:
Thanks!

— Aye, I’ve the fiddly nut holder wrench. I mostly use it to strip the heads. 
Sardonic grin.
— Based on timing of the work I did and being creak free before that work, I 
can eliminate pedals and everything save chainring bolts, crank arms, and bb 
(replaced BB and changed chainrings).
— After the standard second tightening of the crank arms, noise is down or gone 
(hard to tell with today’s ride in the crunchy snow).

I still wish there was a simpler system than that nutty bolt set-up.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[RichS]

Doug, where did you purchase your hard case? Sounds like a smart investment.

Thanks very much,
Richard

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[RBW] Long shot WTB: 53cm Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

I want a 48cm with the grey/kidney-bean Mark's Paint. Fortunately for my credit 
card they're very rare. 

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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[RichS]

Hi Lum,

I have the older Brand V bartube sack which I looks to be functionally the same 
as the Sackville version. Mine is not waterproof or very water resistant but 
hopefully the Sackville has some water repellent properties.

The bag is quite spacious for its size. Yes, it does sag if you don’t tie the 
ends to the hbars. That works just fine for me; plus securing the bag elongates 
and gives the bag a touch of firmness which makes access easier.

Hope you like yours!
Richard

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[RBW] Long shot WTB: 53cm Hunqapillar

[masmojo]

Yeah, good luck! That's one of the most popular sizes & the few I've seen come 
up for sale go FAST & for good prices. Ineed depending on the timing I might be 
up for one myself.

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[RBW] NYC 5 Boro ride

[lum gim fong]

I think my niece did that last year.

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[masmojo]

I don't own a Crust, but I might in the future. What I find interesting is he's 
totally slammed/over his head,  doing exactly the sort of thing Rivendell won't 
do, while at the same time being a Rivendell disciple and deriving inspiration 
from them!?
Compound that with the fact that many River's also have Crusts and it makes me 
wonder if Grant is missing out on something!?

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[Ken Yokanovich]

>From the perspective of a HubbuHubbuH owner, drop bar preferrer, upright 
bar skeptic.

I've got a couple of other bikes set up with Albatross bars, tried 
different flavors of mustache bars on different bikes over the years. I've 
never found myself comfortable for more than an hour and downright 
uncomfortable for anything longer than about 50 miles or 3-hours.  I have 
an older Trek T200 that I have ridden with both drop bars, and most 
recently setup with Albatross and it's *okay*, never been an 
extraordinarily comfortable bike for me, despite it's similar fit 
dimensions to other single bikes.

When I ordered the HHH, I figured... "what the heck" and started with the 
upright Bosco bar thinking I would someday convert to drops if I hated it.  
I have to honestly say, I think I REALLY like the upright bars on the 
HubbuHubbuH.  I took a long tour this summer on it with my two daughters 
and spent MANY hours in the saddle and didn't ever experience any hand 
and/or arm discomfort, I was shocked.  My biggest anxiety prior to the trip 
was concern that I'd get down the road on something like day 2 and *hate *the 
handlebar...  This stuck in my head prior to leaving, even more than the 
concerns I had about heading off for a week fully loaded with my daughters.

The geometry images http://hubbuhubbuh.tumblr.com/ may not be the final 
geometry(?), but do indicate LONG top tube reach designed for an upright 
bar.  Maybe one of those dimensions would fit with your sweet spot.I 
realize that my experience and upright bar proselytizing may not convince 
you to drop a big chunk of money on something you don't like. I will offer 
this, if you find yourself in the Twin Cities area... contact me off list 
and I'd be happy to make arrangements so that you can go for a test ride on my 
size Medium .

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-6, Harald Kliems wrote:
>
> Hi everyone:
> This is my first post in the group -- some of you may recognize my name 
> from the iBOB or 650B lists, though. I am not yet an RBW Owner. But I am in 
> the market for a tandem, and the HHH seems like a wonderful option. The 
> only major concern I have: Will I be able to set it up with drop bars? My 
> goal here is not to make it racier or something like that; it's just that 
> my wrists do not get along with anything that's not a drop bar. I was 
> wondering if anyone here has set up their HHH with drop bars and how they 
> like it. Looking at the geometry charts, I don't see any obvious issues (I 
> am 6'5" and therefore the larger reach of drop bars may actually be a 
> positive). But I'm by no means a tandem expert and I'd be curious to hear 
> some first-hand experiences. Or well-informed opinions. 
> Thanks,
>  Harald in Madison (WI)
>

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[RBW] Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[Bill Lindsay]

I’ve set up my Captain fit on road tandems to essentially match my set up on 
road bikes. My HHH is set up upright but the approach should hold just fine if 
you are careful with the numbers and make sure you get a set up that matches 
your single bike fit. 

Riv has the CAD like drawing for the frame. You should be able to draw your 
single bike set up on top of the captain area and see exactly where you would 
be. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Philip Kim]

color looks great!

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:21:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I 
> would show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as 
> encouragement for anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the 
> jump. Apologies for the lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build 
> finished and just did some laps around the block after sunset. I'll had a 
> sunny outdoor album to this thread soon. 
>
> RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
> Nitto stem and Choco bars.
> Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
> Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy 
> mentions that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual 
> for mtb levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
> Ergon grips, German mirror. 
> Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda 
> Shimano dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, 
> members!)
> Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish 
> brown sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the 
> blue frame. Sweet!
> 17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
> Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
> 8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the 
> single cog.
> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.
>
> Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
> impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes 
> I've owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could 
> be my brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who 
> knows??
>
> My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed 
> and I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this 
> direction because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years 
> and riding ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out 
> the big gear as much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there 
> if I really need it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I 
> was living on, or I wouldn't have even attempted this. 
>
> The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the 
> Deacon's Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. 
> I have some shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the 
> minimalist thing too far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I 
> saw that setup once on a Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I 
> like the look. 
> Get a Cheviot!  
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3
>
> Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[Harald Kliems]

Hi everyone:
This is my first post in the group -- some of you may recognize my name 
from the iBOB or 650B lists, though. I am not yet an RBW Owner. But I am in 
the market for a tandem, and the HHH seems like a wonderful option. The 
only major concern I have: Will I be able to set it up with drop bars? My 
goal here is not to make it racier or something like that; it's just that 
my wrists do not get along with anything that's not a drop bar. I was 
wondering if anyone here has set up their HHH with drop bars and how they 
like it. Looking at the geometry charts, I don't see any obvious issues (I 
am 6'5" and therefore the larger reach of drop bars may actually be a 
positive). But I'm by no means a tandem expert and I'd be curious to hear 
some first-hand experiences. Or well-informed opinions. 
Thanks,
 Harald in Madison (WI)

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Jeremy Tavan]

I think every single order I've placed with Rivendell, aside from pre-order 
stuff, has shipped the day I ordered or the following day, with next day 
delivery. They're consistently the fastest-delivering bike parts source 
I've used, even faster than Amazon Prime in many cases.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 7:51:50 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I put in an order at 2am this morning and just got a "shipped!" notice at 
> 730am. That's a turnaround of 5-and-a-1/2 hours and will probably be here 
> tomorrow, which qualifies as one day shipping! 
>
> This raises two questions: What the heck am I doing shopping online at 
> 2am, and who the heck is shipping at RBW at 7?? 樂

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

"I’m really hoping I don’t like it."

Well good luck with that! It's a great ride: A thing I didn't even notice until 
I thought about it this morning is how easy it was to just hop on and go 
without thinking about "this is the first time on a new bike." That's a very 
undersold aspect of the handling Grant dials into his frames, there's no 
surprises. Add in the SS deal where there's no gear to shift into for a proper 
send off, and you have the very essence of Just Ride. 

Another thing I noticed about having a lugged Riv mixte: Dropping that toptube 
really opens up the upper seattube area so you fully appreciate the seat lug 
(love the heart) and RBW panel. Check it out. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y7dyh3bytg7nGDCK2

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[tc]

Wow nice!  Is this the first pseudo-SS Chev amongst the bunch members?  

My wife’s getting hers soon - she can’t wait.  She and I ride the same size 
frames. I’m really hoping I don’t like it.

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[RBW] Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

I put in an order at 2am this morning and just got a "shipped!" notice at 
730am. That's a turnaround of 5-and-a-1/2 hours and will probably be here 
tomorrow, which qualifies as one day shipping!

This raises two questions: What the heck am I doing shopping online at 2am, and 
who the heck is shipping at RBW at 7?? 樂

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[RBW] NYC 5 Boro ride

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Did anybody else sign up? My brother in law and I signed up...

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[John G.]

I posted about my recent visit to Crust HQ on ibob and 650B, but didn't 
post it here. Bottom line: Matt is an awesome guy and true bike nerd, and 
when you talk to him in person there is nothing about Crust that feels like 
a hipster inside joke. 

He's building up a Lightning Bolt for me as we speak. I think my 
conversation with him happened before this PLP interview, but I mentioned 
that I own an Atlantis and he started gushing about Rivendell. He's a big 
fan, from what I gather.

In person, the Crust fames are gorgeous, and the workmanship appears to be 
outstanding. I know he makes multiple trips over there for each batch.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 9:48:54 AM UTC-5, sean wrote:
>
> I agree about the initial "inside joke" thing (probably because I just 
> can't stomach much of Instagram), but I came to realize it's not like that 
> at all. As the owner of a relatively new Crust romanceur, I can attest that 
> the stuff Matt is producing is top notch. The detail and finish (on a 
> production frame) is excellent and the ride quality fantastic. He also is 
> trying to produce more MUSA frames as well. I also appreciate the fact that 
> all these people ride and ride hard. I can't think of better, real-world 
> product testing. I mean, Matt and Goat have ridden all over the world 
> putting modified Surlys through the paces in the early days.
>
> I feel drawn to Crust the same way I was drawn to Rivendell so many years 
> ago. Still lust after Rivs (especially customs), but Crust has captured 
> that same interest (built around disc brakes which, for me, are a 
> functional improvement in my daily cycling world). Wish I had waited for 
> the arrival of the Lightning Bolt. That frameset looks amazing with the 
> raw, clear-coated fillet brazing.
>
> Sean 
> ATX
>
>
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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Joe,
Welcome to the club of Cheviot owners. You are going to love the ride.
Nice set-up.
Jon

>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[sean]

I agree about the initial "inside joke" thing (probably because I just 
can't stomach much of Instagram), but I came to realize it's not like that 
at all. As the owner of a relatively new Crust romanceur, I can attest that 
the stuff Matt is producing is top notch. The detail and finish (on a 
production frame) is excellent and the ride quality fantastic. He also is 
trying to produce more MUSA frames as well. I also appreciate the fact that 
all these people ride and ride hard. I can't think of better, real-world 
product testing. I mean, Matt and Goat have ridden all over the world 
putting modified Surlys through the paces in the early days.

I feel drawn to Crust the same way I was drawn to Rivendell so many years 
ago. Still lust after Rivs (especially customs), but Crust has captured 
that same interest (built around disc brakes which, for me, are a 
functional improvement in my daily cycling world). Wish I had waited for 
the arrival of the Lightning Bolt. That frameset looks amazing with the 
raw, clear-coated fillet brazing.

Sean 
ATX


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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe, beautiful bike. Congratulations! The blue looks great. I look forward 
to your impressions of the 2 speed drivetrain. 
Happy trails,
Marc


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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[Kainalu V.]

I made a coroplast stiffener for mine, it would still be nice without it, maybe 
even better.
-Kai 
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[Ben Miller]

Interesting ideas guys. 

I will look into the Amtrak idea.

Doug, are you sure about 130"? It seems airlines are mostly at 62 
dimensional inches (length+height+width). 130 dimensional inches would be a 
BIG box. The one I'm using to ship this sold bike is 81" (42+30+9). 

As far as flights vs shipping, JetBlue is only $50, Southwest $75, and 
United is $100 (but I really dislike United, so I'm not sure about that 
one). Those are all options and give or take a BikeFlights shipment price 
(assuming I can get it under their box size limits, as Eric points out).

Any ideas on the best cases for large frames?

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:31:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Ben:
>
> Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
> airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
> airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
> packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
> about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
> Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 
>
> Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has been 
> 130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
> meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
> but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  
>
> Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
> down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
> years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
> Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
> bike is priceless.  
>
> Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
> forums.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and 
>> also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. 
>> Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it 
>> comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
>> aren't so damn big. 
>>
>> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
>> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
>> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>>
>> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs 
>> shipping it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline 
>> dependent, as the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make 
>> sense. But assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does 
>> BikeFlight offer anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do 
>> you ship it too, if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike 
>> shop? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Ben
>>
>>

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