[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Bill Lindsay]

Inevitably when I run an extra set of wheels for a bike, I end up buying 
another frame to go with the wheels.  Wheels are the gateway drug for N+1.  
:)

BL in EC

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> I was reading this great article 
> on
>  
> "Chasing Mailboxes" about Kevin Turinsky and his Atlantis.  He mentioned 
> he kept 3 sets of wheels for it to exploit the frame's versatility.
>
> That got me to thinking, how many people actually do that?  It seems like 
> such a great idea for the right frame/fork ... and the Atlantis seems to be 
> that bike for a lot of people.  I think the Hunq, or Ogre, or Cross-Check, 
> or Fargo, or Monster Cross might be that frame for some.
>
> The $$ savings would be great.
>
> If you don't race, if you don't do jumps, or figure yourself a weight 
> weenie, what the heck -- why not?
>
> I guess it might be a hassle to go back and forth between a SS and a 
> multi-speed setup on the same frame, so there's that...esp. if you found 
> you liked to do both regularly.
>
> I guess for most of us, we can't get away from "n+1", so there's that.
>
> Anyway, just pondering. 
>
> Good night, all...
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville and Brooks

[Max S]

Let me know if this is breaching etiquette somehow, but... If someone wants a 
Medium Sackville but in a different colorway, maybe we can do a 3-way trade – 
I’ve got a Medium in olive-ish (with a leather bottom, no less!) and the pouch, 
that I wouldn’t mind trading for a gray. So, if you want a Med Sackville in 
that color, buy it from me and I promise to then turn around and buy this gray 
one! I need / want a Med Sackville, so this would only really work as a trade. 

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Re: [RBW] Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I have a Cowchipper on my Roadeo and like it a lot.  I went nuts and used a
Woodchipper on my road bikes for a while.  They are really funky with a
super wide flare.  I've done double centuries with the Woodchipper and
never felt like I was miserable in the headwinds because of the bars.  Only
because I was miserable :).  I loved climbing with the Woodchippers because
it felt like I had lots of leverage.

You can't really see the flare from this angle, but here's a picture with
the bars:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/7037147233/

Toshi

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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[tc]

I was reading this great article 
on
 
"Chasing Mailboxes" about Kevin Turinsky and his Atlantis.  He mentioned he 
kept 3 sets of wheels for it to exploit the frame's versatility.

That got me to thinking, how many people actually do that?  It seems like 
such a great idea for the right frame/fork ... and the Atlantis seems to be 
that bike for a lot of people.  I think the Hunq, or Ogre, or Cross-Check, 
or Fargo, or Monster Cross might be that frame for some.

The $$ savings would be great.

If you don't race, if you don't do jumps, or figure yourself a weight 
weenie, what the heck -- why not?

I guess it might be a hassle to go back and forth between a SS and a 
multi-speed setup on the same frame, so there's that...esp. if you found 
you liked to do both regularly.

I guess for most of us, we can't get away from "n+1", so there's that.

Anyway, just pondering. 

Good night, all...

Tom




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[RBW] Re: OT FS/FT: Leica/Leitz Wetzlar Summicron-C 40mm f2 lens for Leica/Minolta CL camera

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Additional trade interests include:

Sackville Barsack and F15 rack
Mark’s Hub Area racks
48cm Nitto Noodle
52cm Nitto RM-013 dirt drop (25.4 or 26.0)
8cm Nitto dirt drop stem
Front generator hubs/wheels (700c/29er wheels for my Clem H)

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[RBW] Re: Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Ron Mc]

Really like how the colors blended, and the bag ties them together.  Yes, 
Paul brake levers are the very best.  

Everybody needs at least one bike with upright bars, but the angles on this 
bar shape makes for totally relaxed arms and wrists - and great control - I 
can corner very hard on this bike.  



Ahearne map bars with a home-brewed aero extension using a Nitto 2-70 lamp 
holder and mountain bar ends.   

Came up with these over our wet winter on the mag trainer to get some 
variable muscle usage, but after the weather broke and I got them on the 
greenway and downtown streets, don't know how I lived without them - I have 
5 hand positions - hook just in front of the cork; grab the bend; resting 
on bar with thumbs hooked; hooking solid on red bar ends; aero tuck 
grabbing bar ends (I've had it out in 20 kt wind).  

A week on the trainer also gave me enough time to perfectly dial in the two 
rotation points.  



Map bars are basically the Jitensha touring bars with an extra inch on each 
end.  

I mentioned the leather wraps when I posted this mod earlier, but they came 
from India via etsy for 
$25.  https://www.tripmachinecompany.com/collections/handlebar-accessories  
They're intended for motorcycle grips, but are just long enough to do the 
mid portions of a Jitensha or Map bar.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

And to get myself back on topic: The new Atlantis looks great! Million 
dollar t-shirt idea:

*Nuovo* Atlantis:
*Don't*


Poster with bicycles, Eduoard Vuillard:




On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 9:39:31 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Well, not really. The definition is "fear of empty space." While Mario 
> Praz  may have meant it in a derogatory sense when he used it to describe 
> Victorian interiors, the phrase in itself is not making an aesthetic 
> judgement. And I've actually come to appreciate the chaos of the more 
> extreme Victorian examples. Another Mario, Mario Buatta, makes a good 
> living as the Prince of Chintz:
>
>
> 
>
> And to be fair, the examples you mention are artistic creations, not 
> interiors. For an artistic interpretation of Victorianeque interiors, you 
> can't beat Edouard Vuillard:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:02:48 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Glancing at the Wiki article: the author is completely wrong when 
>> comparing Victorian clutter, which is truly bizarre, weird, and 
>> head-hurting (recall a truly nauseating exhibit of mid-Victoriana at an 
>> Atlanta museum 3 decades ago) and book of Kells or Islamic arabesques; 
>> completely and totally different in intent and effect. Just for the record, 
>> and not pointing fingers. But the distinction is important.
>>
>> Victorian decor is truly *horror vacui.*
>>
>> Back to our regular programming.
>>
>>
>> *The term is associated with the Italian art critic and scholar Mario 
>> Praz , who used it to describe 
>> the suffocating atmosphere and clutter of interior design in the Victorian 
>> age .[2] 
>>  
>> Older, 
>> and more artistically esteemed examples can be seen on Migration period art 
>>  objects like 
>> the carpet pages  of Insular 
>>  illuminated manuscripts such as 
>> the Book of Kells . This 
>> feeling of meticulously filling empty spaces also permeates Arabesque 
>>  Islamic art from 
>> ancient times to the present. Another example comes from ancient Greece 
>> during the Geometric Age 
>>  (1100 - 900 BCE), when horror 
>> vacui was considered a stylistic element of all art. The mature work of the 
>> French Renaissance engraver Jean Duvet 
>>  consistently exhibits horror 
>> vacui.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:55 AM, EasyRider  wrote:
>>
>>> This horror?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-4, Reid Ewing wrote:

 With the rear wheel spacing seen in Grant's photo, looks like the Riv 
 traditional wine cork fender spacer is not going to work. Horrors! What 
 will we do?

 Reid
  

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[RBW] OT FS/FT: Leica/Leitz Wetzlar Summicron-C 40mm f2 lens for Leica/Minolta CL camera

[Michael Morrissey]

Will it mount on micro four thirds?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, not really. The definition is "fear of empty space." While Mario 
Praz  may have meant it in a derogatory sense when he used it to describe 
Victorian interiors, the phrase in itself is not making an aesthetic 
judgement. And I've actually come to appreciate the chaos of the more 
extreme Victorian examples. Another Mario, Mario Buatta, makes a good 
living as the Prince of Chintz:



And to be fair, the examples you mention are artistic creations, not 
interiors. For an artistic interpretation of Victorianeque interiors, you 
can't beat Edouard Vuillard:







On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:02:48 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Glancing at the Wiki article: the author is completely wrong when 
> comparing Victorian clutter, which is truly bizarre, weird, and 
> head-hurting (recall a truly nauseating exhibit of mid-Victoriana at an 
> Atlanta museum 3 decades ago) and book of Kells or Islamic arabesques; 
> completely and totally different in intent and effect. Just for the record, 
> and not pointing fingers. But the distinction is important.
>
> Victorian decor is truly *horror vacui.*
>
> Back to our regular programming.
>
>
> *The term is associated with the Italian art critic and scholar Mario Praz 
> , who used it to describe the 
> suffocating atmosphere and clutter of interior design in the Victorian age 
> .[2] 
>  
> Older, 
> and more artistically esteemed examples can be seen on Migration period art 
>  objects like 
> the carpet pages  of Insular 
>  illuminated manuscripts such as 
> the Book of Kells . This 
> feeling of meticulously filling empty spaces also permeates Arabesque 
>  Islamic art from 
> ancient times to the present. Another example comes from ancient Greece 
> during the Geometric Age 
>  (1100 - 900 BCE), when horror 
> vacui was considered a stylistic element of all art. The mature work of the 
> French Renaissance engraver Jean Duvet 
>  consistently exhibits horror 
> vacui.*
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:55 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> This horror?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-4, Reid Ewing wrote:
>>>
>>> With the rear wheel spacing seen in Grant's photo, looks like the Riv 
>>> traditional wine cork fender spacer is not going to work. Horrors! What 
>>> will we do?
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Austin B.]

Tim, thanks for the kind words. I like yours too--it appears we have the 
same exact frame! I like to tinker with my builds, the Sam is so versatile 
so I'm constantly experimenting.

I may have to pick up a pair of Barlow EL's for it--I keep hearing people 
like you say they're the perfect match. I had Bon Jon's (standard casing) 
on it which I'm contributing to the Roadini I'm building up for my wife. 
The Cazaderos are just okay.

Thx!
Austin


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 9:20:34 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Austin, nice build! All versions of your Sam look great. Part of what 
> makes it such an awesome bike is the many build option it allows. 

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Tim Bantham]

Austin, nice build! All versions of your Sam look great. Part of what makes it 
such an awesome bike is the many build option it allows. 

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Austin]

I'm one who's just now experimenting with upright bars for the first 
time--the Albastache's I picked up during the hail mary that are now on my 
Sam. I found experimenting with a shorter stem made things a bit more 
comfortable so I taped them up last night. Teal Newbaums with 1 coat of 
amber shellac in the photos. I was hoping the tape would be more olive 
green than it turned out. I added a second coat of shellac tonight and they 
are now more hunter green. I like it enough to live with it. It was my 
first time using cotton tape and twine--not as clean as Mark does it in his 
video, but I'm happy for a first try.

I bought the 62cm frame from Riv in 2016. Other bits on this are a 46/30 
IRD crankset with a 11-36 9-speed cassette, 700x42 Cazaderos on A23's with 
Tektro Calipers. Less roady for now, as I wanted a dedicated gravel/fire 
road bike, though a tire swap is all I need to make it road-ready.

Maybe it's all psychological, but the shorter stem seemed to make the 
steering a little quicker which is okay--I prefer a sporty, lively ride.  

Photos of the lastest build with some older, evolutionary shots from the 
last 2 years.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LZDRZ23JhgI4lXd52

Austin
Sykesville, MD

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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville and Brooks

[Steve Butcher]

Lots of looks but no responses so I'll knock my price down to $180.00 for 
the Saddlesack and $80.00 for the B67; shipping included CONUS.  I'd take 
$250.00 for both in a package deal.  

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Hello, I'm offering for sale my size medium Sackville Saddlesack in the 
> now discontinued dark gray/brown leather color scheme.  I purchased it new 
> about a year ago and used it on my Rosco Bubbe for my short commute to 
> work.  It is in excellent condition and always stored indoors.  It has been 
> in a light shower only once or twice.  Included is an extra 17 inch 
> Sackville leather strap. I've decided to carry my stuff in my Clem basket 
> and sack on the front.   Also, for sale is my lightly used Brooks B67.  It 
> is in excellent condition with only some scratches on the black painted 
> rails from mounting.  I have had it about 2 years and treated it a couple 
> of times with VO saddle treatment.  It has always been stored indoors and 
> has never been wet.  I've decided I prefer the C17 on my commuter bike, so 
> don't need the B67.  I'd like to get $200.00 for the Saddlesack and $100.00 
> for the B67.  Both include shipping CONUS.  Please PM me with questions.  
> Thanks for looking.
>
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
>

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Tim Bantham]

Patrick, I'm not sure if mine was one that you had commented on but if so I 
thank you for the compliment. Mine was purchased in 2016. It was the 
version prior to the canti Sam available now. The paint on mine is a stock 
color. More of a light blue and cream two tone. Looks amazing in person. I 
heard the orange one is much faster. (wink wink) One recommendation I 
learned about on this board was to go with the Compass Barlow Pass tires 
with extra light casing. I will say without a shadow of a doubt that those 
tires are the best riding tires I have ever had the pleasure to experience. 
They are just about perfect for the Sam. This is a great bike for its 
versatility. I am enjoying it so much now that I have it as my main road 
bike. Thats not to say I wouldn't enjoy it any less had I set it up again 
with the Albatross bars. 

Tim

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:50:13 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently, 
> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How 
> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must 
> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3 
> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>
> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop bars, 
> touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent 
> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>
> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model, 
> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't 
> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too 
> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2 
> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even 
> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had, 
> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a 
> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on 
> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be 
> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande 
> river silt.)
>
> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>
> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road 
> ...?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[dougP]

You've boiled it down to its essence.

dougP

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 4:03:21 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Not without the bread, it's not.  On its own, a hot dog ain't nothin' 
> but a sausage. 
>
>
> On 03/28/2018 05:35 PM, Christopher Murray wrote: 
> > Of course a hot dog is a sandwich! 
> > 
> > Chris 
> > 
>
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 48cm Noodle Handlebar/ Nitto 100mm Stem $75/pair + shipping

[Paul M]

On Wednesday, 28 March 2018 16:14:43 UTC-7, Paul M wrote:  Thanks but the 
bar and stem have sold.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 28 March 2018 14:18:04 UTC-7, Reid Echols wrote:
>>
>> PM sent!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 48cm Noodle Handlebar/ Nitto 100mm Stem $75/pair + shipping

[Paul M]

On Wednesday, 28 March 2018 14:18:04 UTC-7, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> PM sent!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Steve Palincsar]

Not without the bread, it's not.  On its own, a hot dog ain't nothin' 
but a sausage.



On 03/28/2018 05:35 PM, Christopher Murray wrote:

Of course a hot dog is a sandwich!

Chris



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[RBW] Ebay Outing (Mine): '95 Rivendell Road 58.5cm

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was admiring your bike this morning!  Came up on my eBay search notification. 
 Lovely lugs

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[RBW] Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have the Jitenhas on my Quickbeam. I’ve totally gotten away from drops and am 
a total convert to alt bars. I like them - a lot!

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Sir, I disagree with everything you’ve said!  Ha!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Christopher Murray]

Of course a hot dog is a sandwich! 

Chris 

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[RBW] FS: Nitto 48cm Noodle Handlebar/ Nitto 100mm Stem $75/pair + shipping

[Reid Echols]

PM sent!

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[RBW] OT FS/FT: Leica/Leitz Wetzlar Summicron-C 40mm f2 lens for Leica/Minolta CL camera

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

The recent Leica diversion on the MIT Atlantis thread just triggered an 
idea... and although off topic, not by far considering the Riv & film 
photography connection and my proposed arrangement:

For those of you that shoot film and/or collect cameras/Leica stuff, anyone 
interested in buying a Leica/Leitz Summicron-C 40mm f2 lens through 
purchase and exchange of a Rivendell gift certificate?  My bike budget has 
completely dried up and I haven't placed a new order with Riv in over year 
(aside from a recent hail mary.)  I have a few simmering ideas but no funds 
to execute so I'm now thinking it's time to let this lens go to help fund 
some future bike projects and further support Riv at the same time.  A Riv 
gift certificate combined with my hail mary and remaining rivendollars 
would be a huge help and keep the funds earmarked for a Riv project rather 
than get siphoned for other necessary expenses.

The lens is originally for the Leica/Minolta collab CL camera from the 
80's but fits several other M mount bodies (although framelines may not be 
exact for those not specd for 40mm lenses.)  I don't have a CL camera body 
(or any other M mount for that matter) to go with it and although I 
intended to obtain one years ago my interest in film faded and the project 
fell to the wayside.  I also became concerned about investing in an older 
CL body and then discovered Voigtlander Bessa R3 models feature 40mm 
framelines and 1:1 magnification which I thought would have made a great 
combo but was still out of my league and just never came to fruition.  As 
previously noted, I never got back into shooting film like I had thought 
and just don't see it happening anytime soon with limited time/funds having 
recently become a first time father (8 months now) but if I ever do manage 
it I still have a couple old mechanical, fixed lens rangefinders and a 
Minolta X-700 to mess around with.

I won't attempt to rate the condition of the lens having never used it and 
being far from an expert on such matters but it's clean with no cosmetic or 
structural damage and has been safely stored indoors with caps on both ends 
and comes with retractable rubber lens hood and a 5.5 series filter.)

I actually found the lens years ago sitting on a park bench next to a lake 
I regularly fished when I lived nearby.  I was unsuccessful in finding the 
owner who had unfortunately left it behind that day and even kept an eye 
out for anyone shooting with a camera every time I fished or visited 
that part of the park thereafter.  I eventually brought the lens to a local 
camera shop but they had no record of it in their system through serial 
# and was otherwise unable to arrange an amicable sale or trade (although 
they had several CL bodies available they seemed highly overpriced and they 
had no interest in offering any credit for trading any of my other cameras 
or equipment to offset some of the cost of a CL body to go with the lens.)

I've searched ebay (sold listings, not asking prices) and found the same 
exact lenses selling for $400-$700+

I'm asking $300 in form of a Riv gift certificate and I'll cover shipping.

No photos available at the moment but I'll upload a couple later and/or 
will provide pics directly to anyone upon request.

Also open to other offers/interesting trades.

Thanks,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ



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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Carla Waugh]

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:20:41 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Here are front/rear clearance shots on my ‘09 canti Sam (56cm) with 42 
> Soma Shikoros. I’ve run 47mm Marathons without issue, too. Been very 
> curious about the 48mm Supple Vitesse. Can anyone compare them to Shikoros? 
>
> Also, Patrick: I believe yours would’ve been a 56 if it was first gen. The 
> tt on my 56 is 57.5. Some had 59, I believe. 
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Carla Waugh]

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:42:40 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:20:41 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Here are front/rear clearance shots on my ‘09 canti Sam (56cm) with 42 
>> Soma Shikoros. I’ve run 47mm Marathons without issue, too. Been very 
>> curious about the 48mm Supple Vitesse. Can anyone compare them to Shikoros? 
>>
>> Also, Patrick: I believe yours would’ve been a 56 if it was first gen. 
>> The tt on my 56 is 57.5. Some had 59, I believe. 
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Joe Bernard]

One more note: Hot dogs are not a sandwich. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

[Joe Bernard]

I sold my poster years ago in an inexplicable fit of "I guess I'll never hang 
it"..bad idea! I'd love to get another shot at one. 

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[lconley]

Older Sam 56 with Schwalbe Big Ben 50s. Too much inflation pressure and the 
front tire can rub on the center pull. This bike wanted cantis.





Not quite as old Sam 56 with Compass 44s





Newer models apparently have a bit more room.

Laing
Cocoa FL


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:55:32 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Also: Where are the Sam and the Atlantis different? I know that the 
> original Atlantis was a sort of touring/heavy duty all rounder model and 
> took fatter tires than the original Sam; have the designs started to 
> converge?
>
> How fat a tire can the current Sams take? Jim's chart says 45, but perhaps 
> that is out of date?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed, excellent summation!

Hopefully it is ok with Eamon to use his notes when studying for the 
test... I am thinking there is going to be a test, just has to be... right?

Anyway, I do applaud Riv for sticking to its design convictions and 
direction.  I kind of wish I needed the new Atlantis!  But my Appaloosa is 
working really well for me.  That said, I do look forward to studying the 
new catalog, the next chapter in a story I truly like and follow.

Bob
  

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 2:04:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Williams wrote:
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> I like Eamons summary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Mike Williams]

I like Eamons summary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2018, at 2:48 PM, 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who knew this thread would end up discussing foot long hot dogs and Leica's?
> 
> So, to sum up:
> - The old Atlantis is still available at the old price
> - The new Atlantis is probably a fantastic bike, a lot more affordable with 
> no drop in quality, maybe subjectively better in certain areas
> - Some folks don't like the longer chainstays no matter what
> - Some folks love the longer chainstays
> - Some folks worry that the longer chainstays affect the transportability of 
> the bike (bus, train, car racks), but we don't know, because the actual 
> numbers aren't available
> - The new Atlantis may appear to overlap the Appaloosa to some, but is more 
> drop bar friendly
> - Some folks find it rude to comment negatively, some just feel it's a 
> discussion
> - We're well beyond 200 comments!
> - This much brouhaha is only possible because the Atlantis is a cool bike 
> that people like a lot
> - Hot dogs!
> - Leicas!
> 
> :P
> 
> Eamon
> Seattle
> 
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who knew this thread would end up discussing foot long hot dogs and Leica's?

So, to sum up:
- The old Atlantis is still available at the old price
- The new Atlantis is probably a fantastic bike, a lot more affordable with 
no drop in quality, maybe subjectively better in certain areas
- Some folks don't like the longer chainstays no matter what
- Some folks love the longer chainstays
- Some folks worry that the longer chainstays affect the transportability 
of the bike (bus, train, car racks), but we don't know, because the actual 
numbers aren't available
- The new Atlantis may appear to overlap the Appaloosa to some, but is more 
drop bar friendly
- Some folks find it rude to comment negatively, some just feel it's a 
discussion
- We're well beyond 200 comments!
- This much brouhaha is only possible because the Atlantis is a cool bike 
that people like a lot
- Hot dogs!
- Leicas!

:P

Eamon
Seattle


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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Ha...you got that right. We haven't even begun to touch the lenses. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 1:05:30 PM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:

> Alright - but which iteration of the M4 was king? The original M4 or one 
> of the post M5 reissued M4 models? And if so which one?
>
> This is a slippery slope for sure! 
>
> IanA
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

[Ryan Merrill]

Looking forward to a new poster...I just recently picked up a Clem and a 
Sam poster from y'all to go with my original Riv/Goines poster; a new one 
will fit in wonderfully. I'm looking forward to the catalog too. 



On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> Some of these questions or just unclear-confusing-redundancy things, like 
> why both the JoeAppa and Atla will be made clearer in the catalog. 
>
> On another note, this time about the Rivendell - David Lance Goines 
> poster: DLG used the same printing device (press?) for almost 50 years, and 
> it was about 50 years old when he got it...as I remember from his telling. 
> Two years ago it crapped out and he had to get another one, 50 years 
> younger but still 50 years old or older, made by another maker and I think 
> in another country. For most of his posters, the newer machine works, he 
> has been able to get good results, but wouldn't you know it--ours, which 
> appears to have at most 9 colors in it, actually has 14, according to the 
> one guy who ought to know, and he's tried and failed three or so times to 
> get the same results.
> I've suggested he dumb it down some to make it easier, it would still look 
> good, but he doesn't do that, so we've been out of posters for about 3 
> years. After I read the thing about the extra poster and the number game, I 
> contacted him again and said, "...still here, still want...wuzzup?"  He 
> assured me he'd try again, and I have no doubt.As I've said before 
> somewhere: (1) He really likes that poster, he has used it as an example in 
> articles and stuff where he could have used any poster in his portfolio; 
> and (2) He likes me and my enthusiasm for the poster---and is about as 
> Unracery as one can get, with all black clothes, black hat, cane, and 
> handlebar moustache. He rode a lot in the '70s, and still feels the kinship.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:14 AM, phil k  
> wrote:
>
>> I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on 
>> their own experience. It's what I like about it this board. 
>>
>> It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to 
>> some, not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on 
>> this thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope 
>> not), merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based 
>> on little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to 
>> how it would translate to the new Atlantis.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else 
>> I would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.
>>
>> I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the 
>> moment.
>>
>> As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work 
>> better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa, 
>> even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for 
>> touring loads as well.
>>
>> If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked 
>> for a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown 
>> and head badge...
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[RBW] Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Bill Lindsay]

Handlebar swapping is one of those eternally noble pursuits. Like many of 
you, all paths tend to lead back to drops, but still I try to keep open 
minded about things.  For context, I think Noodles are fantastic, and I 
have Noodles or Soba Noodles on several bikes.  I also really love Compass 
Maes Parallel, which I have on one bike and which will appear on my next 
build.  The latest "new" handlebar I've tried and LOVED is the Salsa 
Cowchipper on my new Monster Cross.  These are really great for on-road and 
off-road.  I'm a big fan.  I suspect I'll be miserable if I'm caught in a 
stiff headwind, but aside from that suspicion I give them high marks.  

This handlebar swap was enabled by my practice to jump on deals when they 
present themselves.  My east bay home-skillet, Justin sold on the list a 
Jitensha bar and a Noodle, at a really good price, so I snapped them up 
with no real plans for either.  At another time I picked up a pair of Paul 
Canti-Brakelevers at a really good price.  I have lots of shifters on-hand, 
including a set of IRD thumbies from Riv.  I always have at least five or 
six different colors of Newbaums ready to go.  I was already stealing the 
swank wheelset from my BART bike to go onto my new Monster Cross.  So, I 
decided to convert my Rosco Bubbe Road to more of a cafe-bike,  

Off came:
Noodle 46 bars
SRAM S500 levers
Shimano 9sp barcons
Dura Ace Rear der
HED Belgium/Dura Ace Wheelset

On went:
Jitensha bars
Paul brakelevers
IRD friction thumbies
Green Newbaums
Twin-hollow 6sp freewheel wheelset



So far, so good.  I love how thin the clamp is on the Paul levers, so it's 
like the handlebar tap is one continuous wrap.  The slight sweep of the 
Jitensha bars feels good on the wrists in a still pretty aggressive 
position.  My morning commute always includes stopping for a coffee and 
then riding one-handed to the BART train, and it's FAR easier to get on the 
saddle and start one-handed with this bar.  This configuration might stick 
on a dedicated commute bike.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA


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[RBW] FS: Albastache, 80mm Technomic, B17 Honey

[Bob K.]

Sold!

Thanks for the interest, folks.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ian A]

Alright - but which iteration of the M4 was king? The original M4 or one of the 
post M5 reissued M4 models? And if so which one?

This is a slippery slope for sure! 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Alright...I'm just going to say it...the Leica M4 was and still is king. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:57:25 AM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> This longer chainstay model is still very much within the dominant design 
> envelope of a chain driven bicycle. We are, like true devotees, splitting 
> hairs. But zooming out of the devotee cubby-hole, and taking a slightly 
> more macro-economic perspective, let’s consider cameras... (see what I did 
> there?) 
>
> The Leica M5 was supposed to be an improved version of the iconic M3, but 
> many Leica fans didn’t go for it. Still, there’s a strong contingent of 
> photogs who loved it from the get-go. Will the Neu-‘tlantis be the M5 to 
> the M3, or will it be the M3 to the cIII?.. 
>
> Leica camera purchases are driven to a significant extent by non-utility 
> (and on top of it, it’s arguably a Veblen good - demand *increases* with 
> price). I suspect that most Rivendell Atlantis purchases are driven by 
> utility (that’s the nature of the bike), so no impact on sales. And for 
> those potential customers with multiple bikes in the stable, why not offer 
> something that’s likely to be *different* from what they already have? 
>
> - Max “who used the M3 plenty but just may go for the Neu-‘tlantis ‘cos 
> the roads aren’t getting any better” in A2. 

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[RBW] Re: Mt Tam Hunqs

[jenny klug]

that's a hunqa hunqa burnin' love if i ever saw one.

(sorry, someone had to say it, might as well be me.)

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On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> 4 Hunqs from yesterdays ride on Mt Tamalpais in Marin, CA. Thought you 
> might enjoy.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[adam leibow]

the quoted clearance with the new canti sams is 47mm. i think the wtb 
riddler might be the perfect tire for this bike. i have a new one in sage & 
58 which has been a blast and the perfect commuter. i have learned what the 
OP has said about straddling niches is slightly true. it's not as 
light/nimble as my new titanium roadbike with a more aggressive position, 
25mm tires, & carbon fork, for example, and it's not as capable off road as 
my crust evasion with 2.8" tires and discs, but it's still really fun to 
ride, and probably the best when i don't know what kind of ride i want to 
do, or where i want to end up, just that i need to get outside. i see a lot 
of them all over san francisco and the east bay. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:50:13 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently, 
> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How 
> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must 
> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3 
> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>
> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop bars, 
> touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent 
> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>
> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model, 
> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't 
> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too 
> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2 
> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even 
> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had, 
> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a 
> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on 
> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be 
> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande 
> river silt.)
>
> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>
> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road 
> ...?
>
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Reid Echols]

My canti Sam (64cm) clears 48 Soma Vitesse tires with ease, if not with 
fenders. I like to run it with 42-43s usually though. 

Currently it's a single speed with Bruce Gordon rock n' roads, a heavy duty 
mountain wheelset I had from another build, v-brakes, and flipped albas. 
Very fun for "path racing" around the lake here in Austin. 




Reid 


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently, 
> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How 
> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must 
> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3 
> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>
> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop bars, 
> touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent 
> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>
> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model, 
> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't 
> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too 
> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2 
> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even 
> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had, 
> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a 
> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on 
> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be 
> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande 
> river silt.)
>
> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>
> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road 
> ...?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Carla Waugh]

I have last years model and can’t remember how wide a tire with side pull 
brakes I can run.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I look forward to seeing a new RBW poster! 



On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Some of these questions or just unclear-confusing-redundancy things, like 
> why both the JoeAppa and Atla will be made clearer in the catalog. 
>
> On another note, this time about the Rivendell - David Lance Goines 
> poster: DLG used the same printing device (press?) for almost 50 years, and 
> it was about 50 years old when he got it...as I remember from his telling. 
> Two years ago it crapped out and he had to get another one, 50 years 
> younger but still 50 years old or older, made by another maker and I think 
> in another country. For most of his posters, the newer machine works, he 
> has been able to get good results, but wouldn't you know it--ours, which 
> appears to have at most 9 colors in it, actually has 14, according to the 
> one guy who ought to know, and he's tried and failed three or so times to 
> get the same results.
> I've suggested he dumb it down some to make it easier, it would still look 
> good, but he doesn't do that, so we've been out of posters for about 3 
> years. After I read the thing about the extra poster and the number game, I 
> contacted him again and said, "...still here, still want...wuzzup?"  He 
> assured me he'd try again, and I have no doubt.As I've said before 
> somewhere: (1) He really likes that poster, he has used it as an example in 
> articles and stuff where he could have used any poster in his portfolio; 
> and (2) He likes me and my enthusiasm for the poster---and is about as 
> Unracery as one can get, with all black clothes, black hat, cane, and 
> handlebar moustache. He rode a lot in the '70s, and still feels the kinship.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:14 AM, phil k  
> wrote:
>
>> I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on 
>> their own experience. It's what I like about it this board. 
>>
>> It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to 
>> some, not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on 
>> this thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope 
>> not), merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based 
>> on little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to 
>> how it would translate to the new Atlantis.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else 
>> I would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.
>>
>> I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the 
>> moment.
>>
>> As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work 
>> better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa, 
>> even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for 
>> touring loads as well.
>>
>> If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked 
>> for a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown 
>> and head badge...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Paul and Carla and others: Please do post Sam photos. Yes, we need a Sam's
Club.

Paul: If yours can take 51 m tires, then the design was indeed changed from
my model.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Paul Choi  wrote:

> I run a 42 Panaracer Gravelking on mine (51cm) with room. I will post a
> picture later if you want.
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:55:32 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Also: Where are the Sam and the Atlantis different? I know that the
>> original Atlantis was a sort of touring/heavy duty all rounder model and
>> took fatter tires than the original Sam; have the designs started to
>> converge?
>>
>> How fat a tire can the current Sams take? Jim's chart says 45, but
>> perhaps that is out of date?
>>
>> Is the Atlantis tubing thicker than the Sam's?
>>
>> On my short list, given my present stable, #1 is the Roadeo; # 2 might
>> just well be another Sam, with shorter tt relative to st. (I see that the
>> 55 no3 has a 57 eff tt -- my length if I want the bar slightly lower than
>> saddle, as I would on a Sam.)
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently,
>>> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How
>>> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam
>>> must be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top
>>> 3 (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>>>
>>> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop
>>> bars, touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent
>>> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>>>
>>> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original
>>> model, in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much --
>>> wouldn't take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand;
>>> too beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had
>>> the 2 custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long,
>>> even with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had,
>>> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a
>>> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on
>>> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be
>>> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande
>>> river silt.)
>>>
>>> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>>>
>>> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road
>>> ...?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Paul Choi]

I run a 42 Panaracer Gravelking on mine (51cm) with room. I will post a 
picture later if you want. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:55:32 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Also: Where are the Sam and the Atlantis different? I know that the 
> original Atlantis was a sort of touring/heavy duty all rounder model and 
> took fatter tires than the original Sam; have the designs started to 
> converge?
>
> How fat a tire can the current Sams take? Jim's chart says 45, but perhaps 
> that is out of date?
>
> Is the Atlantis tubing thicker than the Sam's?
>
> On my short list, given my present stable, #1 is the Roadeo; # 2 might 
> just well be another Sam, with shorter tt relative to st. (I see that the 
> 55 no3 has a 57 eff tt -- my length if I want the bar slightly lower than 
> saddle, as I would on a Sam.)
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently, 
>> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How 
>> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must 
>> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3 
>> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>>
>> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop 
>> bars, touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent 
>> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>>
>> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model, 
>> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't 
>> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too 
>> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2 
>> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even 
>> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had, 
>> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a 
>> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on 
>> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be 
>> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande 
>> river silt.)
>>
>> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>>
>> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road 
>> ...?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Trenker]

I think some of you are missing the main point. 


The extra-long chainstay is kind of like the foot-long hot dog. 


Now let’s say you’ve got a big strong man, maybe he’s been on a diet and 
he’s kind of angry because of that; to him, the foot-long hot dog makes 
perfect sense. Just like it makes sense to have extra-long chainstays for 
taller riders, so all of their weight isn’t over that back wheel. 


Then imagine you’ve got a little kid, and you take him to the fair. He sees 
the foot-long hot dog, and he wants it. He doesn’t need a foot-long hot 
dog, but it’s kind of cute if he gets it, maybe he doesn’t even eat the 
whole thing and a seagull gets part of it. No harm done, Jimmy got what he 
wanted and had a nice day at the fair, maybe he’ll remember it all his 
life. 


I don’t know if the inventor of the foot-long hot dog became rich or 
famous; but his/her invention did, and maybe a hundred years from now the 
extra-long chainstay will enjoy the same acclaim. You could call it moving 
the rear wheel back, or if you want to be more positive, you could call it 
moving the rest of the bike forward. 


On the other hand, you have to wonder why they didn’t go with extra-long 
seatstays instead…



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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Carla Waugh]

My 55cm Sam is a favorite of mine because it’s just plain comfortable. I have a 
standard drop bar build with a EDelux light and hub combo. The reason I grab 
this bike almost every time is it’s versatility. I can ride on pavement, grass 
or light gravel with Compass tires. The parts Riv put on my Sam work very well. 
I added a Nitto small front rack and have small to medium bags and basket to 
switch between. I have even wondered about reimagining my 650B bike so I might 
ride it more. I think it’s time for a Sam club.

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[RBW] Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

[Grant Petersen]

Some of these questions or just unclear-confusing-redundancy things, like
why both the JoeAppa and Atla will be made clearer in the catalog.

On another note, this time about the Rivendell - David Lance Goines poster:
DLG used the same printing device (press?) for almost 50 years, and it was
about 50 years old when he got it...as I remember from his telling. Two
years ago it crapped out and he had to get another one, 50 years younger
but still 50 years old or older, made by another maker and I think in
another country. For most of his posters, the newer machine works, he has
been able to get good results, but wouldn't you know it--ours, which
appears to have at most 9 colors in it, actually has 14, according to the
one guy who ought to know, and he's tried and failed three or so times to
get the same results.
I've suggested he dumb it down some to make it easier, it would still look
good, but he doesn't do that, so we've been out of posters for about 3
years. After I read the thing about the extra poster and the number game, I
contacted him again and said, "...still here, still want...wuzzup?"  He
assured me he'd try again, and I have no doubt.As I've said before
somewhere: (1) He really likes that poster, he has used it as an example in
articles and stuff where he could have used any poster in his portfolio;
and (2) He likes me and my enthusiasm for the poster---and is about as
Unracery as one can get, with all black clothes, black hat, cane, and
handlebar moustache. He rode a lot in the '70s, and still feels the kinship.





On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:14 AM, phil k  wrote:

> I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on
> their own experience. It's what I like about it this board.
>
> It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to some,
> not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on this
> thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope not),
> merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based on
> little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to how
> it would translate to the new Atlantis.
>
> I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else
> I would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.
>
> I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the
> moment.
>
> As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work
> better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa,
> even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for
> touring loads as well.
>
> If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked for
> a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown and
> head badge...
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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Michael:

When all else fails, of course, there's the old 'beer can' shim trick. That 
*always* works, plus you get to drink the beer!

BEST REGARDS / Jock Dewey

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have a few thoughts. First off, when in doubt, call Riv. Second, I have 
> experience with many Rivendell seat lugs. They are very stout and so it 
> does take some force to get the seatpost clamp bolt tight. Also, it is 
> possible for the head of the bolt to bind in its hole, making it feel 
> tighter than it is. The classic indicator of that type of binding is it 
> will kind of chirp at you as you loosen it. Make sure there’s greas on that 
> interface under the head of the bolt. Finally I’ve heard anecdotal stuff 
> about Thomson having tolerance issues.  Try any other 26.8mm post, 
> preferably another brand. If a different post behaves better, then you 
> Thomson post is more likely the issue. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[phil k]

I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on their 
own experience. It's what I like about it this board. 

It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to some, 
not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on this 
thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope not), 
merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based on 
little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to how 
it would translate to the new Atlantis.

I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else I 
would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.

I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the 
moment.

As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work 
better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa, 
even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for 
touring loads as well.

If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked for 
a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown and 
head badge...

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[stevef]

A couple of things that have helped me in the past with slightly small 
posts:  Use no-slip instead of grease or use very VERY little grease, 
especially where the seatpost clamp is.  On one post that wouldn't stop 
slipping no matter what I put a piece of clear vinyl framesaver/helicopter 
tape where the seat post was clamped.  I quit slipping and also made it 
easier to tell if it slipped a little.  I used a piece that was about 3"  
vertically, 1-2" wide.

Steve

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:44:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Just wanted to get some advice, here.
>
> I am building my new Sam Hillborne, which takes a 26.8 seatpost. For the 
> size of frame I use, unless I get a ridiculously short stem (like, 6cm), I 
> need a zero-setback seatpost. Especially if I want there to be space behind 
> the saddle to use my Carradice Bagman uplift. I tend to like the feel of a 
> zero-setback post, anyway, though.
>
> The only really nice, zero-setback post that I know of, in a 26.8 size, is 
> Thomson, so that's what I got. It looks great on the bike, but -- man -- 
> does it ever seem a bit narrow in diameter. I can tighten it down such that 
> it does, indeed, seem to be properly static in the slot, but I *really* 
> have to tighten the bolt down hard. Enough so that I'm slightly worried 
> about it and wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with 
> Thomson posts. I can almost imagine that sizing-up, to a 27.0, might 
> actually work, but then I'd be worried about it getting hopelessly stuck.
>
> Maybe I shouldn't worry, I guess. All things being equal, I think I'd 
> rather have a seatpost that's a little too tight than a little too snug.
>
> Anyone have any words of advice and/or reassurance?
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[EasyRider]

This horror?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-4, Reid Ewing wrote:
>
> With the rear wheel spacing seen in Grant's photo, looks like the Riv 
> traditional wine cork fender spacer is not going to work. Horrors! What 
> will we do?
>
> Reid
>  
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Also: Where are the Sam and the Atlantis different? I know that the
original Atlantis was a sort of touring/heavy duty all rounder model and
took fatter tires than the original Sam; have the designs started to
converge?

How fat a tire can the current Sams take? Jim's chart says 45, but perhaps
that is out of date?

Is the Atlantis tubing thicker than the Sam's?

On my short list, given my present stable, #1 is the Roadeo; # 2 might just
well be another Sam, with shorter tt relative to st. (I see that the 55 no3
has a 57 eff tt -- my length if I want the bar slightly lower than saddle,
as I would on a Sam.)

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently,
> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How
> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must
> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3
> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>
> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop bars,
> touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent
> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>
> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model,
> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't
> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too
> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2
> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even
> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had,
> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a
> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on
> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be
> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande
> river silt.)
>
> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>
> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road
> ...?
>
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[RBW] Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently,
notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How
do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must
be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3
(which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).

Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop bars,
touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent
poster converted his to his main road bike.

I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model,
in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't
take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too
beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2
custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even
with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had,
relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a
cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on
pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be
very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande
river silt.)

So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?

And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road
...?

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Matt Beecher]

No offense meant to anyone, but can you guys take your disagreement 
private?  

Thanks,
Matt B.
Oswego, IL (currently in Texas)


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[RBW] Re: WTT: Your Silver Downtube shifters for my IRD power ratchet thumb shifters

[chris feczko]

Hi All,

Sorry. I've made a newbie mistake and I guess I already have what I'm 
looking for.

Thanks everyone

Chris


On Tuesday, 27 March 2018 10:31:29 UTC-4, chris feczko wrote:
>
> Only caveat is I don't have all of the shims that come with them.
>
> Chris
>
> Sunnyside, NY
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Deacon Patrick]

In a word ... a great word ... one of the best words ... humility. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bill Lindsay]

Maybe this made up scenario will explain the point I'm trying to make.  
Imagine we're at the outdoor art festival.  Individual artists that put 
their heart and soul and time and money into their work have it on 
display.  We walk to one booth where dozens of interested customers are 
looking.  Most aren't saying anything.  Four of us walk up, and have a 
look, and all four of us do not like the work we are seeing.  None of the 
four of us wants to buy any of this stuff.  The artist is standing right 
there, proudly.  Here's what the four of us do:

Person A: nods politely at the artist and walks away to the next booth
Person B: says politely but clearly, so all the people around and the 
artist can hear "this work is not for me.  I frankly don't see the appeal.  
I will not be buying any of this"
Person C: tells the artist and the people around "I'm saddened that 
you made this stuff.  It makes your earlier work redundant. I admire your 
work, and wish you well, but this stuff will not sell, and will damage your 
business, and that makes me sad."
Person D: explains to the artist how he would have made this work.  I've 
been using products like this for 40 years, and I bought one of your pieces 
like this before.  Let me help you by informing you that this edge should 
have fringe, and this gold part should be brass.  Improve your products by 
following my advice and you will do much better"

All four of these people have the right to say what they want.  They are in 
public, and "it's a free country".  I don't want to silence anybody. Which 
one do you want to be, here in public, with dozens or hundreds of silent 
observers watching?  Be whichever one of those four people you want to 
be.  I'm making the observation, for myself, that Person D above sounds 
like he is a patronizing know-it-all.  I'm not trying to silence Person 
D.  S/he can behave how they like in public.  I don't think person B, 
person C or person D did anything productive or generous to the artist by 
speaking up.  That's fine.  They are not obligated to help out the artist, 
and can say what they want in public.  

Negative comments about product X can be totally great, and totally 
helpful.  If somebody posts "has anybody used product X?  what were your 
experiences?", sometimes the most positive productive comment will be 
"I used product X and it broke in three days.  I don't recommend it".  A 
comment like that can save somebody from a bad decision.  Hopefully the 
silent observers on this thread will just say "look at those goofy 
bike-nerds talking about manners and semantics" and go on with their day.  
:)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:19:07 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:

>
>
> I would also take issue, in a semantic way, with equating “I don’t like” 
> to “I know better, let me explain my better thoughts”. People should be 
> able to say if they don’t like something and not treated like that opinion 
> isn’t valid. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Un-unracing again: Wahoo Elemnt Bolt

[John G.]

I recently picked up a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt, too (based on Bill's rec via 
iBob. Used it for a few 50 milers in unfamiliar territory, and enjoyed it a 
bunch. Will post more feedback when I've used it more.

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:56:21 AM UTC-4, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> Nice setup. Looks like you got something to motivate you, which is always 
> good. 
>
> I've used a bunch of Garmins in the past and now use a Fenix 5 watch to 
> track stuff and have not had an issue with any of the units, but I'm glad 
> to see Wahoo competing against Garmin. The only Wahoo product I have 
> experience with is my Kickr, and I frankly love that thing. 
>
> Next up you will get a power meter and then get crazy geeky about numbers 
> like -  FTP, CTL, ATL, TSB, TSS, 6 week TSS average blah, blah, 
> blah...which will all tell you that you love to ride bikes. lol 
>
> Seriously though, if you are into training, being able to quantify it with 
> good data points is really awesome. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 4:21:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm mostly an unracer, but I work hard for a Racing Team, and I train 
>> with that Racing Team, so I'm a part-time un-unracer.  I count my miles on 
>> Strava, and earn badges for climbing and mileage, and I gauge my fitness by 
>> setting PR's on segments in the area.  
>>
>> I've upped my un-unracer game by finally going full-techno, and I spent 
>> my REI dividend on a modern cyclometer, the Wahoo Elemnt Bolt.  The local 
>> Randos who didn't like Garmin for various reasons all seemed to like the 
>> Wahoo, so that's what I bought.  It's a GPS unit, which pairs to my phone 
>> over bluetooth, and connects to the internet over my WiFi.  It captures all 
>> my ride data and syncs it to Strava on my phone, so I no longer need to use 
>> GPS on my phone, which extends my phone battery life.  The Elemnt allegedly 
>> has a ~14hr battery life fully active.  Today I did one of my benchmark 
>> rides on it, and I used a heart rate monitor, which adds another aspect of 
>> entertaining numbers-geekery.  My bundle also came with a separate cadence 
>> sensor and a separate speed sensor, but I haven't used those yet, and may 
>> not ever.  Whether my fitness is good, or having a cyclometer motivates me 
>> to go harder, or my new Black Mountain Monster Cross is simply an 
>> extraordinary bike, I can't quite tell, but I set a ton of PRs this 
>> beautiful morning, even though I was on 29x2.0 knobbies, on roads that I've 
>> ridden numerous times with a "road bike". It definitely makes me feel that 
>> "it's mainly the motor".  Since I'm fitter, and since I've lost 20 lbs, and 
>> since I had a screen to look at, and since I'm on a cool new bike, I 
>> pedaled harder and went faster.  
>>
>> Here's a shot of my kind of crowded cockpit:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Bill un-unracing Lindsay
>>
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Un-unracing again: Wahoo Elemnt Bolt

[Ryan Merrill]

Nice setup. Looks like you got something to motivate you, which is always 
good. 

I've used a bunch of Garmins in the past and now use a Fenix 5 watch to 
track stuff and have not had an issue with any of the units, but I'm glad 
to see Wahoo competing against Garmin. The only Wahoo product I have 
experience with is my Kickr, and I frankly love that thing. 

Next up you will get a power meter and then get crazy geeky about numbers 
like -  FTP, CTL, ATL, TSB, TSS, 6 week TSS average blah, blah, 
blah...which will all tell you that you love to ride bikes. lol 

Seriously though, if you are into training, being able to quantify it with 
good data points is really awesome. 

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 4:21:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

>
> I'm mostly an unracer, but I work hard for a Racing Team, and I train with 
> that Racing Team, so I'm a part-time un-unracer.  I count my miles on 
> Strava, and earn badges for climbing and mileage, and I gauge my fitness by 
> setting PR's on segments in the area.  
>
> I've upped my un-unracer game by finally going full-techno, and I spent my 
> REI dividend on a modern cyclometer, the Wahoo Elemnt Bolt.  The local 
> Randos who didn't like Garmin for various reasons all seemed to like the 
> Wahoo, so that's what I bought.  It's a GPS unit, which pairs to my phone 
> over bluetooth, and connects to the internet over my WiFi.  It captures all 
> my ride data and syncs it to Strava on my phone, so I no longer need to use 
> GPS on my phone, which extends my phone battery life.  The Elemnt allegedly 
> has a ~14hr battery life fully active.  Today I did one of my benchmark 
> rides on it, and I used a heart rate monitor, which adds another aspect of 
> entertaining numbers-geekery.  My bundle also came with a separate cadence 
> sensor and a separate speed sensor, but I haven't used those yet, and may 
> not ever.  Whether my fitness is good, or having a cyclometer motivates me 
> to go harder, or my new Black Mountain Monster Cross is simply an 
> extraordinary bike, I can't quite tell, but I set a ton of PRs this 
> beautiful morning, even though I was on 29x2.0 knobbies, on roads that I've 
> ridden numerous times with a "road bike". It definitely makes me feel that 
> "it's mainly the motor".  Since I'm fitter, and since I've lost 20 lbs, and 
> since I had a screen to look at, and since I'm on a cool new bike, I 
> pedaled harder and went faster.  
>
> Here's a shot of my kind of crowded cockpit:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Bill un-unracing Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Max S]

This longer chainstay model is still very much within the dominant design 
envelope of a chain driven bicycle. We are, like true devotees, splitting 
hairs. But zooming out of the devotee cubby-hole, and taking a slightly more 
macro-economic perspective, let’s consider cameras... (see what I did there?) 

The Leica M5 was supposed to be an improved version of the iconic M3, but many 
Leica fans didn’t go for it. Still, there’s a strong contingent of photogs who 
loved it from the get-go. Will the Neu-‘tlantis be the M5 to the M3, or will it 
be the M3 to the cIII?.. 

Leica camera purchases are driven to a significant extent by non-utility (and 
on top of it, it’s arguably a Veblen good - demand *increases* with price). I 
suspect that most Rivendell Atlantis purchases are driven by utility (that’s 
the nature of the bike), so no impact on sales. And for those potential 
customers with multiple bikes in the stable, why not offer something that’s 
likely to be *different* from what they already have? 

- Max “who used the M3 plenty but just may go for the Neu-‘tlantis ‘cos the 
roads aren’t getting any better” in A2. 

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[RBW] Re: Mt Tam Hunqs

[Wally Estrella]

Where's the video of the downhill STAMPEEDE! ?


On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:15:31 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> You should send that over to RBW if you haven't already...
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> 4 Hunqs from yesterdays ride on Mt Tamalpais in Marin, CA. Thought you 
>> might enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Ebay Outing (Mine): '95 Rivendell Road 58.5cm

[Fullylugged]

Lovely bike!   Level TT!.  What is the serial #?   FWIW, if converted to a 
650B, these bikes will take a 38mm tire w/o a fender. I've run Pari-Motos on 
mine and now have Soma Express (which run a hair smaller).  This will make 
someone a fine ride.

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Joe Bernard]

I have no problem with "it's not for me." I take issue with design critiques 
like "I can't pop a wheelie" or "I hit my pedals on the ground" as if it's a 
flaw that Grant should fix. Grant should make the bikes he wants and people can 
buy whichever bikes work for them.  

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