[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Evan E.]

Benz asked: "So, is there any need for certification then?"

Good question. I, for one, think that certification is useful -- IF that 
certification is a well-known industry standard, such as EN (which is the 
only one I've ever heard of). I guess my main point is simply this: Most 
retailers don't make clear if any given handlebar meets any given standard. 
So all consumers can do is guess and hope. Yes, guessing and hoping seems 
to works fine most of the time, since bars seldom break. But if even Nitto 
makes bars of different strengths for different markets, I think that a 
certification, such as a sticker on the handlebar or at least a note in the 
product description, could help to explain the price of the handlebars -- 
and help Nitto and its retailers to justify those prices. 

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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, Erl, I've kinda given up trying to answer that question. I always say I'm 
not going to do another eRiv, then two months later I'm showing you guys pics 
of it. So it's a definite maybe 

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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

[WETH]

Congratulations, Joe!  That color looks great.  Will this be a candidate for 
another e-conversion?
Enjoy the ride!
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Justin, Oakland]

This makes me honk about this list published recently regarding helmet safety 
and ratings. 
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/new-tests-show-some-bike-helmets-protect-better-than-others

I will definitely pay more for parts that meet a standard that is well defined 
and makes sense. If that’s Nitto’s interlnal standard fine, the EU fine, ISO 
fine. 



-Justin

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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

The mid-to-later-life crisis continues! I've headed this butternut Clem H 
direction a few times, and always seem to end up somewhere else. Recently Riv 
had a couple 52cm frames on the Specials page, and I almost jumped then but no. 
Then Alex Wirth from Yellow Haus posted some Riv completes he has in stock, and 
I started ruminating about this model being discontinued soon and..well..enjoy! 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPMcxsi2fDJcB1dg9

Joe "ah geez, I better try to sell more stuff" Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Heat-treated handlebars are not necessarily stronger or more durable than 
non-heat-treated handlebars. You need to further know the alloy used, and 
the part's dimensions to derive these. For example, a thin-walled, 
heat-treated handlebar will likely be weaker and less durable than a stout 
chrome-plated steel handlebar (albeit weighs much less).

Nevertheless, from Grant's writings, I don't believe Nitto will produce a 
sub-par product, regardless of intended market or customer. From what I 
understand, Nitto prototypes have to pass Nitto's own internal standards 
that are at least as stringent as any applicable industry standard. Based 
partly on Grant's recommendation and my own experience, Nitto is a brand 
name I trust (with my life, literally, especially when bombing down trails).

So the question remains, would I pay more for handlebars and stems of 
tested superior strength and durability? I already do since most of my 
handlebars and stems are Nitto or equivalents such as Thomson (my 
assumption here on equivalence). Why? Because a few extra dollars is worth 
peace of mind in these critical components, even if one has a good health 
and dental plan.

Maybe the question should be, why aren't people asking for such 
certifications? For one, bicycles are still toys to the majority, and it's 
the minority that asks for a toy's certification on health and safety. 
Furthermore, except for stupid-light stuff, there doesn't seem to be an 
epidemic of broken handlebars and stems; empirical evidence shows that 
handlebars and stems are generally strong and durable enough. For the 
outliers (that's us, ladies and gentlemen), most enthusiasts are aware of 
which brands are less prone to failure (and other parameters), so we sort 
ourselves out accordingly. Weight-weenies, for example, wouldn't be too 
pissed that their $$$ user-light part broke after 3 uses, whereas I don't 
really expect to replace my Nitto stems for decades (I rotate through my 
bikes). So, is there any need for certification then?



On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:58:14 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Short Version:
>
> Would you pay more for handlebars (and stems) if the seller made clear 
> that those bars and stems meet established safety standards, such as EN 
> standards?
>
> Long Version:
>
> In a recent thread called "Dear Riv, Please Make a Wider Noodle," Grant 
> told a story about how Nitto was sued for a few handlebars that were broken 
> by some burly riders who leaned hard on them, even though the bars were 
> city bars not meant for rough riding. So that got me thinking:
>
> Because Nitto tests its bars and stems, might they -- and their 
> distributors and dealers -- publish the strength standards that their bars 
> and stems meet?
>
> If I were shopping for bars, I'd be willing to pay more for them if I knew 
> they 
> met an industry standard for strength and safety. Most sellers don't say a 
> peep about safety certifications -- and don't even describe the 
> conditions under which the bars should be used. (Compass is an exception. 
> They say that all their Nitto bars "meet the most stringent EN 'Racing 
> Bike' standard for fatigue resistance.")  
>
> True story: A few years ago I spied, online, Nitto RM-013 bars, size 52, 
> that were not heat-treated. I was confused because Nitto Noodle bars of 
> similar width WERE heat-treated. Perhaps those non-heat-treated bars were 
> some of the inexpensive Nitto bars that Grant mentioned -- bars not 
> intended for large people riding on gravel and trails. But somehow those 
> unheated Nitto bars made it to the U.S. market. Yes, they cost about half 
> of what Noodles cost and what heat-treated RM-013s cost. And yes, I was 
> tempted to buy them. I figured, "They're Nitto, so they're safe, right?"
>
> For the record: I doubt I could break any bars just by riding along. I 
> weigh 145 pounds. Please just humor me here and help me overthink. Thanks.
>
> Evan Elliot
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Bill Lindsay]

I INSIST on every handlebar I buy to be tested to failure using 
well-established test standards on frequently calibrated and re-certified 
equipment.  With those test results, I can then estimate how long I might 
have been able to use them on a bicycle, had I not paid the money to have 
them rigorously broken.  I can fret and overthink from the comfort of my 
couch while they are being tested.  

OK, just kidding

Silly Billy
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:58:14 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Short Version:
>
> Would you pay more for handlebars (and stems) if the seller made clear 
> that those bars and stems meet established safety standards, such as EN 
> standards?
>
> Long Version:
>
> In a recent thread called "Dear Riv, Please Make a Wider Noodle," Grant 
> told a story about how Nitto was sued for a few handlebars that were broken 
> by some burly riders who leaned hard on them, even though the bars were 
> city bars not meant for rough riding. So that got me thinking:
>
> Because Nitto tests its bars and stems, might they -- and their 
> distributors and dealers -- publish the strength standards that their bars 
> and stems meet?
>
> If I were shopping for bars, I'd be willing to pay more for them if I knew 
> they 
> met an industry standard for strength and safety. Most sellers don't say a 
> peep about safety certifications -- and don't even describe the 
> conditions under which the bars should be used. (Compass is an exception. 
> They say that all their Nitto bars "meet the most stringent EN 'Racing 
> Bike' standard for fatigue resistance.")  
>
> True story: A few years ago I spied, online, Nitto RM-013 bars, size 52, 
> that were not heat-treated. I was confused because Nitto Noodle bars of 
> similar width WERE heat-treated. Perhaps those non-heat-treated bars were 
> some of the inexpensive Nitto bars that Grant mentioned -- bars not 
> intended for large people riding on gravel and trails. But somehow those 
> unheated Nitto bars made it to the U.S. market. Yes, they cost about half 
> of what Noodles cost and what heat-treated RM-013s cost. And yes, I was 
> tempted to buy them. I figured, "They're Nitto, so they're safe, right?"
>
> For the record: I doubt I could break any bars just by riding along. I 
> weigh 145 pounds. Please just humor me here and help me overthink. Thanks.
>
> Evan Elliot
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hub Area Racks

[Bill Lindsay]

Piggyback!

Joe listed and sold a pair of hoopless Hub Area Racks for $170 shipped.  

Turns out I also have a hoopless hub-area rack and the matching bags that I 
could part with. Here's a photo of the setup on my singlespeed.  They've 
been on a bike a couple times, and have carried things maybe 4 times, but 
have never been on an overnighter.  They are essentially as-new.  

Flickr Link 

I'd like $250 shipped for the rack and the bags as a kit.  I want to keep 
them together.  If you sincerely want one without the other, PM me and if I 
can manage to find a matching pair of buyers so both get sold, then I'll 
make it happen.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 9:55:41 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Non-hooped, I recently bought the last set from Riv. They work great (and 
> easy to mount) but I can't talk myself into the silver look on my Lightning 
> Bolt, so I'm going to sell these and get the black Crust front rack. 
> $170 shipped. 
>
> As seen on said Crust:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FzKB6xVLLbZrdHRdA
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Ron Mc]

The mistake you're going to see here was made at the factory - that's the 
bonding resin bleeding through - being squeezed through as the saddle 
stretched



The mistake people make with Brooks is picking the wrong saddle for their 
riding position.  

My two upright bikes have B17s, my two drop-bar bikes have Swallow - I've 
found Swallow to be the most invisible saddle I've ever ridden, including 
SA.  



I've never used anything but Obenaufs, and I use it sparingly - like 
once/year to prep saddles for summer sweat.  

I've been through all of them, and came back to Brooks.  

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/65-years-old.129681/page-2#post-875927


For anybody who can't live with Brooks, I'll put in a vote here for Fabric 
Scoop Radius.  My daughter has tried B17 Imperial S, Specialized (on 
recommendation), Rivet (on trial rental) and adores this saddle.  

 
and don't think it relates to tough - she's a nationally ranked wrestler

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> You can re-leather a saddle for less than new cost, and they now sell a 
> longer bolt so you can get more life from it.  The mistakes I see leading 
> to short lifespan involve over application of "saddle sauce" ( I use 
> Obenauf's from RBW) and over tensioning of the bolt. I'm 10 years on the 
> oldest one I own, and about 3 years on the newest. One has slightly bent 
> rails. I loaned it to a buddy to try (he bought his own) and he is 200+ 
> lbs. It hasn't gotten worse since then.

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No, I wouldn't. I think the current standards are fine and I never worry about 
my bars failing. 

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Lum Gim Fong]

...also note the "they" DOES NOT mean Rivendell Bike Works, it refers to 
any given bar manufacturer who would raise MSRP as a marketing tool based 
on now deciding they need to hard sell their product as standardized when 
it has always been that way. 

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Lum Gim Fong]

...alot more $$ than their un-red-banded bars of the same model, I should 
say

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[RBW] Re: Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I think we already pay more for those standardized bars. I mean, the Heat 
Treated  red banded NITTO bars are alot more expensive than their unbanded 
bars, right?

Now, I would not want to pay more if they started jacking the prices up 
higher than they are now by deciding they were going to use the 
standardization they have always done as a marketing tool to price gouge.

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Fullylugged]

You can re-leather a saddle for less than new cost, and they now sell a longer 
bolt so you can get more life from it.  The mistakes I see leading to short 
lifespan involve over application of "saddle sauce" ( I use Obenauf's from RBW) 
and over tensioning of the bolt. I'm 10 years on the oldest one I own, and 
about 3 years on the newest. One has slightly bent rails. I loaned it to a 
buddy to try (he bought his own) and he is 200+ lbs. It hasn't gotten worse 
since then.

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[RBW] Would you pay more for handlebars if they were safety-certified?

[Evan E.]

Short Version:

Would you pay more for handlebars (and stems) if the seller made clear that 
those bars and stems meet established safety standards, such as EN 
standards?

Long Version:

In a recent thread called "Dear Riv, Please Make a Wider Noodle," Grant 
told a story about how Nitto was sued for a few handlebars that were broken 
by some burly riders who leaned hard on them, even though the bars were 
city bars not meant for rough riding. So that got me thinking:

Because Nitto tests its bars and stems, might they -- and their 
distributors and dealers -- publish the strength standards that their bars 
and stems meet?

If I were shopping for bars, I'd be willing to pay more for them if I knew they 
met an industry standard for strength and safety. Most sellers don't say a 
peep about safety certifications -- and don't even describe the conditions 
under which the bars should be used. (Compass is an exception. They say 
that all their Nitto bars "meet the most stringent EN 'Racing Bike' 
standard for fatigue resistance.")  

True story: A few years ago I spied, online, Nitto RM-013 bars, size 52, 
that were not heat-treated. I was confused because Nitto Noodle bars of 
similar width WERE heat-treated. Perhaps those non-heat-treated bars were 
some of the inexpensive Nitto bars that Grant mentioned -- bars not 
intended for large people riding on gravel and trails. But somehow those 
unheated Nitto bars made it to the U.S. market. Yes, they cost about half 
of what Noodles cost and what heat-treated RM-013s cost. And yes, I was 
tempted to buy them. I figured, "They're Nitto, so they're safe, right?"

For the record: I doubt I could break any bars just by riding along. I 
weigh 145 pounds. Please just humor me here and help me overthink. Thanks.

Evan Elliot
San Francisco, CA





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[RBW] FS: Hub Area Racks

[Joe Bernard]

Sold. Wid da quickness!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, keep in mind my “jersey” is a plaid woven light cotton long sleeve work 
shirt, ala chambray. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Patrick Moore]

I'd never heard that; I'll have to be careful from now on, since rayon too
uses harmful chemicals -- tho' all my rayon shirts are from Goodwill, so I
suppose they're all environmental sunk cost, so to speak.

But apparently a Swiss company, Litrax, uses mechanical and natural enzymes
to break down the fibers and, moreover, their method produces a
particularly strong and soft material. And a quick Google (vi) brings up at
least 1 mfr of cycling clothing that uses Litrax fabric.

I'd love cotton jerseys; probably no good for the East Coast, but perfect
for the high desert, where it felt a bit muggy on my ride just now at 13%
(tho' in a plastic jersey). In fact, I had one, bought second hand on the
boblist, but that's the only one I've ever seen. I dislike T shirts,
because I find the crew neck uncomfortable -- prefer a zip plaquet -- and I
also like pockets.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I wore bamboo for a while till I learned all the junk used in processing
> it into a fabric. Cotton or wool now for me.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer saddle 25$ + shipping

[Lum Gim Fong]

pm sent

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 4:00:13 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Paypal
> Made my own cutout.
> I like the Imperial Flyer I have better so goes to you.
> 25$ + buyer pays shipping.
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Hub Area Racks

[Joe Bernard]

PMed, Daniel. You can text me at 415 seven eight six 46 two three if that 
doesn't work. The Google Groups interface SUCKS. 

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Kieran J]

I've been riding two SA (non-X) saddles on my commuter and road bikes for 
years. It's the Lay-Z-Boy of leather saddles. I keep trying to transition 
to a modern road saddle but keep going back to the SAs like an old pair of 
comfy jeans. They are not super durable - the one on my commuter is nearing 
the end of the tension bolt, so I should see about getting a longer one (I 
believe SA can provide these). The newer gen ones are said to be a little 
better constructed.

I never got on well with the Brooks saddles I tried. While the shape of the 
B17 was nice, they were too hard and led to crotch numbing, even on short 
rides.

KJ


On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer saddle 25$ + shipping

[Lum Gim Fong]

Cant pm from iphone
Please email me at:

john11.2...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer saddle 25$ + shipping

[Lum Gim Fong]

Yes
Will pm you

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have the regular steel (now chromo) carriage Selle Anatomicas on all 
three of my bikes. One is four years old (the one on my 'car') and still 
going strong. I can't find a more comfortable saddle than these. They just 
work for my anatomy. Now, that being said, I have bent rails. Their 
'seconds' saddles have had some leather stretch issues, where one side 
stretches more than the other. It seems the leather had half the saddle 
from a softer section of the hide, so I recommend against the 'seconds'.  
 The edges of the leather are not rounded off, so I chamfered off the edge 
for more thigh comfort.  I am not happy with customer service, as I felt 
the first saddles with the long rails made from Hi-ten were a complete fail 
as a product. I weigh 145 and I bent the rails riding mostly on the street 
with a suspension seat post!  I have had three back surgeries, so I ride 
light too. Ridiculous that it should bend under me. The company would not 
replace the saddle.  After my anger and venting to the owner, I went ahead 
and bought three saddles anyway, ensuring they were using the 'new' 
chromoly rails. Selle Anatomica's are way more comfortable than a Brooks, 
at least on my butt.  So far, I haven't bent any more rails.  I might try a 
Rivet someday, but I have settled on these being my saddle of choice. Now, 
if I could find some handlebars that won't antagonize my peripheral 
neuropathy,  I will be happy.  

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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[RBW] FS: Hub Area Racks

[Daniel Jackson]

Hi Joe. I’d love these but can’t PM. Would you mind getting in touch for 
purchase?

Thanks,
D. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clearing out my stuff - Nitto, IRD, Dia Compe, PDW, VP, SRAM, Sunrace, Microshift, Wolftooth

[phil k]

Update on what's left & price drops:

*Shifters & Brake Stuff*

IRD Ratchet Brake Lever (pair) 
, brand new (actual pic 
) - $85 
shipped

*Handlebar & Stem Stuff*

PDW Whiskey grips, brown, pair 
, new - 
$45 shipped

*Drivetrain Stuff*

Microshift R10 short cage 
 - $20 
shipped

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Tom M]

Check out their sale 
page: https://selleanatomica.com/collections/factory-outlet 

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 1:06:51 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Now just looking for a good place to buy but seems to be a lock on the 
> pricing. Looks like $135-$199.
>

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Clayton.sf]

This one takes the cake!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 6:08:32 AM UTC-7, Daniel M wrote:
>
> Vice Grip on Vice Grip action. You saw it here first. 
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks for the info.
Now just looking for a good place to buy but seems to be a lock on the 
pricing. Looks like $135-$199.

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[RBW] FS: Hub Area Racks

[Joe Bernard]

Non-hooped, I recently bought the last set from Riv. They work great (and easy 
to mount) but I can't talk myself into the silver look on my Lightning Bolt, so 
I'm going to sell these and get the black Crust front rack. 
$170 shipped. 

As seen on said Crust:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FzKB6xVLLbZrdHRdA

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Tom M]

Have them on our tandem and on my single bikes. No problems with any; still 
lots of threads in the adjusting bolt left. I've gotten some where on my 
shorts, but no digging into my thighs. It seems with S-A that your mileage 
will vary, but literally and figuratively.
Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 11:02:25 AM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote:
>
> I had them on all of my bikes until I discovered the Brooks C-17 Carved. 
> They are okay for the first 100 miles, but they get wet from sweat and 
> stretch too much for the 2nd hundred. My next saddle will probably be one 
> the new Cambium All Weather C-17.
>
> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:33:11 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
>> Like it?
>> Compared to Brooks?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Deacon Patrick]

I wore bamboo for a while till I learned all the junk used in processing it 
into a fabric. Cotton or wool now for me. 

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had them on all of my bikes until I discovered the Brooks C-17 Carved. 
They are okay for the first 100 miles, but they get wet from sweat and 
stretch too much for the 2nd hundred. My next saddle will probably be one 
the new Cambium All Weather C-17.

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:33:11 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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[RBW] Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Kainalu V.]

I bent the rails on the heavyweight version, but that was with the saddle 
almost all the way back. I'm around 210 and I love my Brooks saddles.
-Kai 
BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: OT/Giants-Diamondbacks Sunday 7/1

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, man! My Royals (yeah Rich, that's right, I'm still not over Baumgarner in 
WS '14) don't play the D-Backs this year and I would have loved to have gone 
but made plans to be in Sedona. It's soo freaking hot here! This place 
was not meant to be inhabited by human people types. There have only been 2 
days this month under 100 (and I was in NYC for those two days.) But the RH is 
always below 10%. It makes a huge difference. I'm sure Riv is sweltering. 


Tim "but it's a dry heat" Kirch

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Patrick Moore]

Tangential question: has anyone used bamboo fiber/wood fiber/natural fiber
jerseys for a while? How do they do as to comfort and longevity?

Patrick Moore, who found a moth hole in the Sugoi jersey he wore Tuesday
evening.

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[RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[RonaTD]

Fullylugged wrote:
Recently got the new RUSA summer weight wool jersey (there is a heavier version 
too).  Excellent in hot and humid weather. 

+1 on the new RUSA light weight jersey. My first ride in it was a hot, humid 
200km day. The friend who came with me at one point commented on how she 
smelled. Needless to say, she was wearing Lycra. I was very pleased with the 
jersey, especially when we arrived in Port Washington and the temperature 
dropped 20 degrees, then went back up as we left. (Cooler By The Lake day.) 

I also am a big fan of light colored long sleeve seersucker shirts for sunny, 
lower humidity rides. 

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Daniel M]

aand leave it to Google Groups to make it really difficult to post 
photos (or reply privately) from a mobile device AND to rotate the photo in the 
process.

We all deserve better. Apple and Google USED to put the user first. 

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Recent Hunq Trip on the Erie

[Tim Bantham]

Marc, thanks for the report. I’m doing the same ride next month. I had a 
question about wild camping. I had considered getting a hotel room the first 
day when I arrive in Buffalo (my 20 YO son is dropping me off) would it be 
possible to find a spot to camp along the path not far from Buffalo? I just 
don’t have a good feel for where to set up camp along the way. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[hugh flynn]

Agree on the light weight recommendation! Since I don’t need pockets in my
riding clothes (I’ve got bags for that stuff), I’ve switched entirely to
light weight ibex/icebreaker wool T’s and polos. MUCH better in warm temps
than those super thick Swobo jerseys I’ve been riding in for the last 20
years.

Hugh “comfort” Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:34 AM Fullylugged 
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> Recently got the new RUSA summer weight wool jersey (there is a heavier
> version too).  Excellent in hot and humid weather. No nipple abrasion when
> wet, and no freezing when I go inside an air conditioned store or food stop
> on a long ride. Ebay is also a source for out of production but good stuff
> from Swobo, Ibex, and others.
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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Ron Mc]

Tried 2 and ran out of stretch in 6 mo/
I have a Brooks Select pushing 20,000 mi.  

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[RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Fullylugged]

Recently got the new RUSA summer weight wool jersey (there is a heavier version 
too).  Excellent in hot and humid weather. No nipple abrasion when wet, and no 
freezing when I go inside an air conditioned store or food stop on a long ride. 
Ebay is also a source for out of production but good stuff from Swobo, Ibex, 
and others.

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[RBW] Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Fullylugged]

Have them on 3 bikes. Love them. Got the 1st when RBW was selling them. Comfy 
from day 1. Don't wear as long as Brooks.  Have had both slotted and unslotted 
and equally comfy for me.  Get the one that goes with your weight.  One of mine 
is drilled for laces. A prior owner did that to eliminate thigh contact. That's 
never been an issue for me and I unlaced it.

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