Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

I was proud to - drive through Santa Rosa - for a few years. Unfortunately it 
was because I lived in very conservative Lake County. Bad plan!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[John Aydelotte]

I was proud to call Santa Rosa home for a few years - even prouder now!

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:10:08 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> It’s a sin for YOU to be gay. 
> I can be gay and married to a man all day long and live a a happy 
> non-murdered non-shamed non-whatever life because my happiness does not 
> depend on you or your asinine god. Loki and Ganesh are equally irrelevant 
> to me. You are a Pharisee. Your power does not come from love, it comes 
> from telling people to do like you. 
>
> Floor living. Nose breathing. Slow riding. Whatever works to mollify your 
> mind must be best for everyone. If someone gets impaled on a tree while 
> riding faster than you can ride, your takeaway is that he’s a figure of fun 
> for advising people to wear their body armor, instead of changing his 
> behavior to be like yours. 
>
> You learn to ride fixed. It helps your brain, as people told you it would. 
> Two weeks later, you are a proselyte for it, and an expert in all its 
> nuances. I see how you are with bicycles, and I see how you are with 
> “faith.” It ain’t faith. It’s religion. It’s you. 
>
> If mentioning my queer brothers and sisters as if I value them makes you 
> squirm, good. I love them. You, I tolerate, as long as you stick to 
> bicycles. You do not. Far beyond this thread, you make your distaste and 
> superciliousness clear. You speak in coded language about coded language, 
> and now people are speaking plainly. I am speaking plainly. 
>
> You came here. You are uncomfortable with the culture that exists here. 
> The people you choose to associate with have a set of beliefs that are 
> repugnant to you. You wish they would remain silent, so that you might be 
> comfortable, but you do not extend them the same courtesy. 
>
> You claim divine authority for your postition, since you are a “Deacon” in 
> the “Catholic Church.” Your faith informs your beliefs. No idea what that 
> means. My nuts inform my briefs. You’re going to Southern Baptist hell, I’m 
> going to your hell, and none of you self righteous jerks save it for the 
> afterlife. You need to make your hell here on Earth, with yourselves as the 
> demons. 
>
> I am surprised to find that you make your point, and I am convinced. We DO 
> need stronger border controls. For this group. Take your bikes at the 
> border, and maybe give them back after you serve your time. If we can find 
> them. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[lambbo]

Looks amazing.

Out of curiosity, why not use a butcher's wax? It's what we use for million 
dollar outdoor sculptures, fountains, various metal things taking a 
beating, and it doesn't flake or crack. 



On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
> https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Justin, Oakland]

Philip-
Are you coming Sunday? If so I’m going to give you a big old hug.

-Justin

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

It’s a sin for YOU to be gay.
I can be gay and married to a man all day long and live a a happy non-murdered 
non-shamed non-whatever life because my happiness does not depend on you or 
your asinine god. Loki and Ganesh are equally irrelevant to me. You are a 
Pharisee. Your power does not come from love, it comes from telling people to 
do like you.

Floor living. Nose breathing. Slow riding. Whatever works to mollify your mind 
must be best for everyone. If someone gets impaled on a tree while riding 
faster than you can ride, your takeaway is that he’s a figure of fun for 
advising people to wear their body armor, instead of changing his behavior to 
be like yours. 

You learn to ride fixed. It helps your brain, as people told you it would. Two 
weeks later, you are a proselyte for it, and an expert in all its nuances. I 
see how you are with bicycles, and I see how you are with “faith.” It ain’t 
faith. It’s religion. It’s you.

If mentioning my queer brothers and sisters as if I value them makes you 
squirm, good. I love them. You, I tolerate, as long as you stick to bicycles. 
You do not. Far beyond this thread, you make your distaste and superciliousness 
clear. You speak in coded language about coded language, and now people are 
speaking plainly. I am speaking plainly.

You came here. You are uncomfortable with the culture that exists here. The 
people you choose to associate with have a set of beliefs that are repugnant to 
you. You wish they would remain silent, so that you might be comfortable, but 
you do not extend them the same courtesy. 

You claim divine authority for your postition, since you are a “Deacon” in the 
“Catholic Church.” Your faith informs your beliefs. No idea what that means. My 
nuts inform my briefs. You’re going to Southern Baptist hell, I’m going to your 
hell, and none of you self righteous jerks save it for the afterlife. You need 
to make your hell here on Earth, with yourselves as the demons. 

I am surprised to find that you make your point, and I am convinced. We DO need 
stronger border controls. For this group. Take your bikes at the border, and 
maybe give them back after you serve your time. If we can find them. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Justin, Oakland]

“The only thing I want more than these handlebars is to have children separated 
from their parents so everyone knows that this a terrible place and they should 
never come here!” seems like a sign of mental instability. 

-J

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Can you imagine cancelling a bike parts order because someone protested 
children in camps? I cannot imagine being the person who would do this. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

We are united, independent, and dependent. I love Patrick, who isn't gay,
as much as I love my brother-in-law who is.
I feel bad for my role in the bickering, but not for saying what I said.
I'm sad that good people are growling over it, but happy to see so many
nice comments, too. Everybody's got a point and a position, and we're
exposing more of ourselves than we have before, me  included in that. There
have been cancelled orders, big ones, and there may be more, that's how it
goes and it's no surprise. But there has been some good, too, and a few
cancelled orders are pale consequences, historically, to speaking up or
taking a stand on some of these things. I'm not being hanged or stoned,
thank...goodness.

I'm going to let it run thru mid-day Sunday, and then I'll put up something
about bicycles---which, as important as they are, are not as important as
people...although they always go along and get along with you.
--
I'd like to invite anybody who wants to let off stem to do it to me
directly:  gr...@rivbike.com. I'm not going to swat things back and forth,
I probably won't respond, but I'll read every one respectfully.

I'll try to avoid these topics in future BLAHGs, but if I promise to, I'd
feel too non-independent. If I cross a line that you see and I don't, I ask
but don't demand that you respond to me directly.

Happy 4rth!

Grant

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe will you be offering patches for your new fan club?
>
> As a group, I think we've handled this conversation rather well
> considering most online decorum.  I'm grateful that the thread was not shut
> down.
>
> Happy 4th everyone.
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o8bBoIpZknI/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Slàinte mhath, Rusty!

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Timothy Hurley]

That Bishop Sheen quote is hilarious! Yea, no one REALLY hates the Catholic 
Church. Why would they? Wait, what have they been hiding/enabling for decades? 
Who have they been paying legal fees to defend? And what’s this about Magdalene 
Laundries? What did Pious XII Do in the 1930’s? Wait, they blocked  the 
distribution of condoms in Africa during the height of the AIDS epidemic? 

I’d go on but my thumb is tired.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John,

I replied to you off group, but I know that sometimes fails, so wanted to give 
you a heads up here.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Joe will you be offering patches for your new fan club?

As a group, I think we've handled this conversation rather well considering 
most online decorum.  I'm grateful that the thread was not shut down.

Happy 4th everyone.

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] choco norms

[Timothy Hurley]

I’m a tourer/camper and have chocomoose bars on a SH and an old Trek 950. I 
love them. I get three good grips fur sure, but the normal grip is very comfy 
so I rarely switch it up. They are my favorite bars so far. Mildly agressive 
but super comfortable. The bullmoose version feels (obviously) really solid; 
great for any trails or rough stuff. I can’t say how they compare to drops 
though, it’s been years since I rode drops.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One of my favorite internet essayists, John Michael Greer, addressed what, 
to me, is the big issue running through this thread--how to leave some 
slack for other people's beliefs, opinions, lifestyles, world view, what 
have you--in his weekly post. I think it's worth a read by those 
participating here.


The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center July 4, 2018John Michael 
Greer 


On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 9:43:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Dear Eamon, 
>
>
> Hard to claim ignorance on this one, for the baker and florist cases 
> recently heard by the Supreme Court make them currently known. These two 
> people gave very good, millenia old religious reasons for refusing to 
> participate in creating works of expression for what their relegion and 
> beliefs tell them is not possible: a wedding between anyone other than one 
> man and one woman. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Bill Gibson]

I'm happy I am part of this independent group, on an Independence Day, and
witness to the struggle for freedom, in our persons, and in society, even
among ourselves. There will be deep disagreements. Never assume you are not
in a bubble, and that someone else is. Ride On!
Bill Gibson
Tempe, Arizona, USA
My Photographs  :
https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance:
https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 6:43 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dear Eamon,
>
> Seriously? You’re are missing my point. However, I’ll explain it as an
> example.
>
> Why is “For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 'good old days”
> controversial? Two things.
>
> First, on the face of it, it dismisses myriad success and contributions
> and lives of blacks and women throughout history, therefore statement
> itself is absurd and while an exageration to make a point, only focuses on
> victimhood within realitively recent history based on values from within
> the bubble imposed upon that history. Many Saints throughout Church history
> were black and other races, as well as women, and I suspect all of they
> would speak of delightful days of wild wonder and abundance. Jesus was
> Palestinian, as were Holy Mary and Joseph.
>
> Second, it creates a yet to be agreed upon equivelancy between rights of a
> lifestyle seen as sinful by many (it’s not sinful to be gay, but to act on
> it is), and race, gender and religious rights. Hard to claim ignorance on
> this one, for the baker and florist cases recently heard by the Supreme
> Court make them currently known. These two people gave very good, millenia
> old religious reasons for refusing to participate in creating works of
> expression for what their relegion and beliefs tell them is not possible: a
> wedding between anyone other than one man and one woman. They offered
> referrals to other businesses that could care for them. They were
> respectful and upheld their human dignity in how they interacted with them.
> That is, through the eyes of my faith, a very different thing from not
> providing a cake or flowers because of the race(s) of the man and woman
> getting married (that is discrimination). For most people, it is not a sin
> to be black and get married, but for many people it is not possible to be
> man and man or woman and woman and get married. To do so is a farce and a
> sin. Is this understanding and belief of marriage hateful? Hateful of sin,
> yes. Hateful of the persons? No. Believe it or not, it loves (and
> challenges) the persons involved, as God’s revealed truth always does.
> Marriage is foundational to society. How we define it matters. To act as if
> it has been redefined by all “enlightened” people is disingenuious.
>
> You needn’t agree with anything I’ve said above to see that statements
> such as these presume or reference things that are not actually settled
> outside the “bubble,” and are thus controversial. However, many here are in
> the “bubble” and thus can’t even see it, and see anyone outside is as
> unenlightened, or intolerant. That’s part of the problem with the “bubble”:
> it’s so tolerant that it’s intolerant. This thread is an excellent example
> of that.
>
> Unless a new topic comes up, I am out of this thread. Celebrate as you see
> fit.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> "There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the
> Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be
> the Catholic Church.  As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all
> of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably
> would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do."
>
> Archbishop Fulton Sheen
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Serial Number Sticker?

[iamkeith]

I just looked at mine (first run green).  It actually has a serial number, 
but it's very hard to read under the paint.  It's oriented the same 
direction as the 'rivendell' cast letters, and on the opposite side next to 
the drive-side bb cup.   Look hard and see if you can find it.

I also looked at my Rambouillet which uses the exact same bb shell, and 
it's serial number is rotated the more common 90 degrees (parallel to the 
bb axle) and uses larger and slightly deeper character/digit stampings.
 Makes sense I guess, that panasonic and toyo would use their own method.  
Of all the details Rivendell has to oversee and coordinate, I'd suspect 
that's at the bottom of the list of preference priority.  

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:55:48 PM UTC-6, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Went to record my serial number on a Quickbeam and noticed the number was 
> printed on a sticker and not stamped into the bottom bracket shell. Anyone 
> else have this on other models? Have you done anything to permanently mark 
> the number into the frame? Seems too easy to remove the sticker if the bike 
> were to be stolen. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dear Eamon,

Seriously? You’re are missing my point. However, I’ll explain it as an example.

Why is “For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 'good old days” 
controversial? Two things.

First, on the face of it, it dismisses myriad success and contributions and 
lives of blacks and women throughout history, therefore statement itself is 
absurd and while an exageration to make a point, only focuses on victimhood 
within realitively recent history based on values from within the bubble 
imposed upon that history. Many Saints throughout Church history were black and 
other races, as well as women, and I suspect all of they would speak of 
delightful days of wild wonder and abundance. Jesus was Palestinian, as were 
Holy Mary and Joseph.

Second, it creates a yet to be agreed upon equivelancy between rights of a 
lifestyle seen as sinful by many (it’s not sinful to be gay, but to act on it 
is), and race, gender and religious rights. Hard to claim ignorance on this 
one, for the baker and florist cases recently heard by the Supreme Court make 
them currently known. These two people gave very good, millenia old religious 
reasons for refusing to participate in creating works of expression for what 
their relegion and beliefs tell them is not possible: a wedding between anyone 
other than one man and one woman. They offered referrals to other businesses 
that could care for them. They were respectful and upheld their human dignity 
in how they interacted with them. That is, through the eyes of my faith, a very 
different thing from not providing a cake or flowers because of the race(s) of 
the man and woman getting married (that is discrimination). For most people, it 
is not a sin to be black and get married, but for many people it is not 
possible to be man and man or woman and woman and get married. To do so is a 
farce and a sin. Is this understanding and belief of marriage hateful? Hateful 
of sin, yes. Hateful of the persons? No. Believe it or not, it loves (and 
challenges) the persons involved, as God’s revealed truth always does. Marriage 
is foundational to society. How we define it matters. To act as if it has been 
redefined by all “enlightened” people is disingenuious.

You needn’t agree with anything I’ve said above to see that statements such as 
these presume or reference things that are not actually settled outside the 
“bubble,” and are thus controversial. However, many here are in the “bubble” 
and thus can’t even see it, and see anyone outside is as unenlightened, or 
intolerant. That’s part of the problem with the “bubble”: it’s so tolerant that 
it’s intolerant. This thread is an excellent example of that.

Unless a new topic comes up, I am out of this thread. Celebrate as you see fit. 

With abandon,
Patrick

"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic 
Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic 
Church.  As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths 
and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church 
a thousand times more than they do."

Archbishop Fulton Sheen

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[John Aydelotte]

Damn - where's the old Napster when you need it?

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 7:24:38 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Btw, Wall Of Text is my new band's name. The new Wall Of Text album, Grins 
> & Bollocks, out now. Steal it wherever digital files are stolen. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[John Aydelotte]

I have resisted wading into this morass thus far but can no longer do so.

Patrick:  If 1. Tolerance for gender identities which don't match your own, 
 2. Supporting women's rights to choose what happens to 
their own bodies, & 
 3. Social programs for those less fortunate than we 
...are controversial, I submit that your (possibly religious) world-view is 
seriously out of whack.  When being kind to others, respecting the 
self-determination of others to decide their own identity, and helping 
those in need are "controversial" you have strayed so far from Jesus' 
teaching that I wonder if you can claim to be a christian any longer.

Grant was correct - there is not much controversial in his post - he has 
opinions (which not all have to agree with) but your retort was so loaded 
with IN-tolerance for being kind to and respecting others that it offended 
me deeply.

Is this your religious view speaking?  If so I urge you to seriously 
examine your view of the world as it fits into the tenets of your faith.  
If not, please illuminate me.


On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> From Grant’s blagh: “Nothing in here is controversial” 
>
> Oxford Dictionary defines “Controversial” as: likely to give rise to 
> public disagreement 
>
> Grant, there are at least three obvious controversial topics in your 
> Blagh: 1) gays/LTBGQ/Gender/Marriage/Identity; 2) reproductive 
> rights/abortion/contraception; 3) government social programs. How is it 
> possible you do not know that a large portion of the general population 
> publically disagrees with you on these? 
>
> Grant, I love you bikes. Your gifted craftsmanship with steel, lugs, and 
> geometry is poetry in motion is part of the grace that allows me to ride a 
> bike despite constant neurological vertigo from a bludgeoned brain. You 
> have gone above and beyond in helping me shift my Hunqapillar to my 
> Hunqabeam. What wondrous gifts for which I am deeply grateful. 
>
> I do not know what the answer is, but the tone of this group has had a 
> dramatic increase in this type of “uncontrovercial” statements that presume 
> everyone is on board, when in fact those statements are contrary to the 
> teaching and faith of most world religions. I have largely let them slide 
> by, but they are erroding the experience of the group for me, and I may not 
> be alone. I plead with folks here to recalibrate your “controvercy” sensor 
> and self-edit, so this group can return to focusing on bikes and riding, 
> and camping, and bikepacking, and commuting, and the joy of sharing the 
> journey, even if it is with someone so foolish and ignorat that he allows 
> his faith to inform his beliefs. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, Wall Of Text is my new band's name. The new Wall Of Text album, Grins & 
Bollocks, out now. Steal it wherever digital files are stolen. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

[Rusty Click]

Thank You Patrick.

Slainté

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and 
> reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. 
> Happy and blessed Independence Day!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ooo-ah
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Quickbeam Serial Number Sticker?

[christian poppell]

Hi all,

Went to record my serial number on a Quickbeam and noticed the number was 
printed on a sticker and not stamped into the bottom bracket shell. Anyone else 
have this on other models? Have you done anything to permanently mark the 
number into the frame? Seems too easy to remove the sticker if the bike were to 
be stolen. 

Thanks,

Christian
Berkeley, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, if you find the statement "For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 
'good old days." controversial or offensive, I respectfully ask that you 
consider whether you need to recalibrate YOUR controversy sensor.

Eamon
Seattle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, all! Aye, Jon. It takes some searching to find them, and they are 
smaller than most years so far. It was funny, I wished a group of women hiking 
a “Happy Independence Day!” as I climbed, they lamented the lack of fireworks, 
and I said, “You got all kinds of fireworks on your hike.” They looked at me 
quizzically, I promped them about the flowers. Their faces lit up “Hey! 
Yeah” and I heard them talking about it more on their way down.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dear Steve,

All I said is these topics are controversial, and you lambast me with vitriol. 
Your response proves my assertion that these are controversial. Thank you for 
(inadvertantly) supporting my position that they are controversial. Sardonic 
grin.

The “nothing controversial here” quote is direct and from 6 lines down in how I 
your posting of Grant’s Blagh appears on my iPad.

“"For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 'good old days.'"” (A lotta 
quotes, because Grant was quoting his brother-in-law) is the quote I was 
referencing for gays/LTBGQ/Gender/Marriage/Identity

I ask again: I plead with folks here to recalibrate your “controversy” sensor 
and self-edit (it’s not just this post, by a long shot), so this group can 
return to focusing on bikes and riding, and camping, and bikepacking, and 
commuting, and the joy of sharing the journey, even if it is with someone so 
foolish and ignorat that he allows his faith to inform his beliefs.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

WALLS OF TEXT FOR THE WIN!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

[Jonathan D.]

Excellent post and change of discussion. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sigh, it is only this thread, that has gone off the bike tires and into 
politics. There are lots of other threads. 

If you *support* the current Republican party, no matter how you paint your 
moral compass, you are still complicit. Morality is not flexible. There are 
no grey areas. I tire of people in society excusing themselves to 
themselves. The current Republican *party * is immoral. Not individuals. I 
am painting a broad stroke with a broad statement, and I apologize to those 
I have offended, but the Republican party is full of bigots, white 
terrorists and church burners. Like Nazi's. 'You' are either moral, and 
support those who are, or you're not. Black and white. This has far more to 
do with being good, and making the world a better place than politics. 
My male elders all fought in WW2 and taught me the lessons of the Nazi 
party and how they took over the morality of society. Same crap, different 
country. It's truly shameful. We are being conquered from moral rot, from 
the 'moral, Christian, family party'. Big eye roll. 
Guns and children getting killed by the hundreds in our schools. It is a 
high school social media thing now... Who can raise the body count and kill 
the most bullies? The NRA is the Republican armed forces for Gods sakes. 
More Americans were killed by domestic terrorism by far, than foreign 
terrorists before 911. Most all of them were Republicans. I don't know of 
many Democrats in that terrorism line up, do you? Meanwhile, with the 
Republicans support, thousands of Americans die every year from gun 
violence. Far more than any terrorist attacks from immigrants. As a 
Paramedic, I dealt with lots of dead people, shot full of holes on the 
streets, and 'you' didn't. Gun supporters don't see their children die on 
the streets. I did. Guns are a pompous hobby, dressed up as a patriotic 
right. Meanwhile your drunk neighbor just shot his whole family(In this 
day and age, guns would never prevent a despot from taking over. They would 
just cut off the power and internet and we would be fighting each other. 
All they would have to do is waitlol.).  Make a list of the good and 
bad of each party, then choose the moral one. It is a very simple choice. 
Oh, yeah.and there is that Trump dude. He has to go. And the 'killing 
the planet thing' toowe have to stop that. 

Be true to thine self. 

Clayton DD

(note: 'You' is a broad stroke to cover everyone who hasn't woken up and 
realized they are immoral) 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

[Steve Butcher]

Now, that's my kind of fireworks, Patrick!  Thanks!

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 3:01:34 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and 
> reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. 
> Happy and blessed Independence Day!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ooo-ah
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[Nick Payne]

A 23t chainring will run the chain at a 2mm smaller radius than a 24t 
chainring. I looked at the 24t chainring I have on a Sugino XD, and the 
chain already runs so close to the mounting posts on the crank that the 
chainring bolts to that a 23t chainring wouldn't work as the chain would 
actually hit the mounting posts. You would have to file down the outside of 
each post to provide more clearance.

Nick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

If I get the last spot on the committe and can't make it to a meeting,
Phillip gets my spot. If Phillip and I are running against one another, I'd
vote for Phillip.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’d like to be on the monetary committee.
> I just sold my dad’s coin trove (6.2 kg of pocket change from before
> 1965). I kept a handful of Mercury Dimes, a couple different Liberty silver
> dollars, and a Buffalo Nickel. Man, that was good money!
>
> Not sure if I’m in favor of non-US nationals on our currency, but maybe.
> The Google doodles are analogous to people on currency, and they’ve ramped
> up the number of featured immigrants and great people from all over the
> world since 2016. Did you know an Iraqi immigrant invented skyscrapers? The
> external lattice version anyway, that allows them to be enormously tall and
> still strong.
>
> Coin graphics:
> Half Dome (Open Pit Mine obverse)
> Tallest Trees (all the different ones - clear cut obverse)
> Anasazi cliff dwellings
> Full Moon (obverse the “dark” side side we never see)
> Deepwater Horizon fire (seabirds on the obverse)
> Food. Regional dishes.
> Animals. Skunks, moose, orcas. Wooly mammoths.
> Atoms.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o8bBoIpZknI/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great job, Marty! I take it you were board? You nailed it! Though it may have 
seemed just like screwing around to you. Enjoy your well earned holy leasure!

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2018 05:37 PM, Ryan Merrill wrote:
Quite frankly, I have to question someone's morality if they still 
support Trump and his policies. I personally know a lot of republicans 
who do not support him anymore.




From the Washington Post today 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-left-the-republican-party-now-i-want-democrats-to-take-over/2018/07/03/54a4007a-7e38-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?utm_term=.ed833a3c8781



 I left the Republican Party. Now I want Democrats to take over.



by Max Boot  Columnist 
July 4 at 9:52 AM 
 



“Should I stay or should I go now?” That question 
, 
posed by the eminent political philosophers known as the Clash, is one 
that confronts any Republican with a glimmer of conscience. You used to 
belong to a conservative party with a white-nationalist fringe. Now it’s 
a white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe. If you’re part of 
that fringe, what should you do?


Veteran strategist Steve Schmidt 
, 
who ran John McCain’s 2008 campaign, is the latest Republican to say “no 
more.” Recently he issued an anguished Twitter post: “29 years and nine 
months ago I registered to vote and became a member of the Republican 
Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the 
dignity of human life,” he wrote 
. 
“Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the 
party of Trump.”


Schmidt follows in the illustrious footsteps of Post columnist George F. 
Will 
, 
former senator Gordon Humphrey 
, 
former representative (and Post columnist) Joe Scarborough 
, 
Reagan and Bush (both) aide Peter Wehner 
, 
and other Republicans who have left the party. I’m with them. After a 
lifetime as a Republican, I re-registered as an independent on the day 
after Donald Trump’s election.


Explaining my decision, I noted 
 
that Trumpkins “want to transform the GOP into a European-style 
nationalist party that opposes cuts in entitlement programs, believes in 
deportation of undocumented immigrants, white identity politics, 
protectionism and isolationism backed by hyper-macho threats to bomb the 
living daylights out of anyone who messes with us.” I still hoped then 
that traditional conservatives might eventually prevail, but, I wrote, 
“I can no longer support a party that doesn’t know what it stands for — 
and that in fact may stand for positions that I find repugnant.”


I am more convinced than ever that I made the right decision. The 
transformation I feared has taken place. Just look at the reaction to 
President Trump’s barbarous policy of taking children away from their 
parents as punishment for the misdemeanor offense of illegally entering 
the country. While two-thirds of Americans disapproved of this 
state-sanctioned child abuse, forcing the president to back down, a 
majority of Republicans approved 
. 
If Trump announced he were going to spit-roast immigrant kids and eat 
them on national TV (apologies to Jonathan Swift 
), most 
Republicans probably would approve of that, too. The entire Republican 
platform can now be reduced to three words: whatever Trump says.


And yet there are still principled #NeverTrump conservatives such as Tom 
Nichols and Bill Kristol who are staying in the party. And they have a 
good case to make. Kristol, for one, balks “at giving up the Republican 
party to the forces of nativism, vulgar populism, and authoritarianism.” 
As he notes 
, “It 
would be bad for 

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>From Grant’s blagh: “Nothing in here is controversial”

Oxford Dictionary defines “Controversial” as: likely to give rise to public 
disagreement

Grant, there are at least three obvious controversial topics in your Blagh: 1) 
gays/LTBGQ/Gender/Marriage/Identity; 2) reproductive 
rights/abortion/contraception; 3) government social programs. How is it 
possible you do not know that a large portion of the general population 
publically disagrees with you on these?

Grant, I love you bikes. Your gifted craftsmanship with steel, lugs, and 
geometry is poetry in motion is part of the grace that allows me to ride a bike 
despite constant neurological vertigo from a bludgeoned brain. You have gone 
above and beyond in helping me shift my Hunqapillar to my Hunqabeam. What 
wondrous gifts for which I am deeply grateful.

I do not know what the answer is, but the tone of this group has had a dramatic 
increase in this type of “uncontrovercial” statements that presume everyone is 
on board, when in fact those statements are contrary to the teaching and faith 
of most world religions. I have largely let them slide by, but they are 
erroding the experience of the group for me, and I may not be alone. I plead 
with folks here to recalibrate your “controvercy” sensor and self-edit, so this 
group can return to focusing on bikes and riding, and camping, and bikepacking, 
and commuting, and the joy of sharing the journey, even if it is with someone 
so foolish and ignorat that he allows his faith to inform his beliefs. 

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

[Philip Williamson]

That looks magical. Beautiful and durable. My two favorite things.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[ctifusion]

Thanks to Joe for doing the heavy lifting on this thread. And thanks, again, to 
Grant for being smart, ethical, and reasonable. It's not political to 
understand, point out, and act on the real effects of inequality in our country.

Also, happy to order a bunch of stuff today in support of Grant and Rivendell 
and this community.

Brynnar
Indy

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Ryan Merrill]

Quite frankly, I have to question someone's morality if they still support 
Trump and his policies. I personally know a lot of republicans who do not 
support him anymore.

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 12:57:23 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Clayton, you asked that no one respond  but your opening made me comment. 
> I am sorry for the past circumstances of your life. As a mother myself I 
> can only feel compassion for children and those that had difficult 
> childhoods 
>
>
> I feel the need to draw the line at painting all Republicans as evil 
> individuals.  I’m a moderate by almost anyone’s definition but I am a 
> registered Republican.  Broad stroke condemnations are harmful and normally 
> not accurate. I married a Democrat.  We’ve had 26 happy years together. I 
> wish others could find a common ground of compassion and respect for one 
> another 
>
> This thread is why I wish political discussions were not welcome at this 
> forum 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[ctifusion]

I'm in and out of town for the next couple weeks too.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Amazing beauty Patrick.
Even in our time of severe drought.
Thanks for sharing.
Have a continued wonderful 4th.
Jon

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

I’d like to be on the monetary committee.
I just sold my dad’s coin trove (6.2 kg of pocket change from before 1965). I 
kept a handful of Mercury Dimes, a couple different Liberty silver dollars, and 
a Buffalo Nickel. Man, that was good money!

Not sure if I’m in favor of non-US nationals on our currency, but maybe. The 
Google doodles are analogous to people on currency, and they’ve ramped up the 
number of featured immigrants and great people from all over the world since 
2016. Did you know an Iraqi immigrant invented skyscrapers? The external 
lattice version anyway, that allows them to be enormously tall and still 
strong. 

Coin graphics:
Half Dome (Open Pit Mine obverse)
Tallest Trees (all the different ones - clear cut obverse)
Anasazi cliff dwellings 
Full Moon (obverse the “dark” side side we never see)
Deepwater Horizon fire (seabirds on the obverse)
Food. Regional dishes.
Animals. Skunks, moose, orcas. Wooly mammoths.
Atoms.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like the Nitto cap Riv sold (sells?). Maybe not the best for super sunny 
days--I do have others.





On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:25:45 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> What do you wear for a cap?
> Looking for cool in hot weather and good vision under visor in drops.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

Maybe Grant is too modest to suggest the obvious, but I'm not: A Hunqapillar 
head badge rewicked into a coin or center oval portion on paper currency. How 
could anyone not agree on that?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] choco norms

[ted]

Just back from a 40mi ride with them. 
I’d say they aren’t a sub for drops but perhaps for mstach. Less foward reach 
in the curve than stach I think. I’d say 4 hand positions, ends, just in front 
of the brakes (or on the clamp), in the hooks/curves, and the straight section 
next to the stem.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Thank you, Grant, for the image of a coin with Pooh's butt on the obverse. 
This is a genuinely optimistic vision for an American future. Everybody 
read the new Blahg post, and reconvene. Have a Safe and Sane Fourth of 
July, y'all.

rod

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> There's a new BLAHG up, and it'll be up thru the weekend. On the surface 
> it may seem to be adding fuel to the fire, etc., but if you wade thru the 
> whole thing (as I have!), I don't think you'll find too much controversy in 
> it.
> Grant "Possibly Incredibly Naive" Petersen
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> My best friend is a Republican. I don't traffic in "all members of a 
>> particular party are bad" BS, I object to THIS policy from THIS 
>> president..who isn't even a real Republican. He was a liberal Democrat 
>> 15-20 years ago, and would have stayed there if he could've found a 
>> foothold. But Putin and Fox News both figured out (independently and 
>> simultaneously) that his autocratic tendencies fit the righty side, so 
>> started grooming him for a Republican presidential run.  
>>
>> I don't think either entity thought it would work, but combine the power 
>> of the consolidated voice of conservatism in cable news with Russia's 
>> astonishing election meddling prowess and you get the lunatic we have now 
>> in the WH. Heckuva job, America! 
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o8bBoIpZknI/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

[Kent Peterson]

Thanks Patrick, that was lovely.

Kent Peterson
Eugene, Oregon

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and reflect 
a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. Happy and 
blessed Independence Day!
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ooo-ah

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CredoFamily.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2018 06:27 AM, Richard wrote:



IMHO, not that anyone is asking, Grant should separate his politics 
from his business. Though you would never know it from this google 
group, not all purchasers of Rivendell bikes, myself included, share 
his political leanings.


Older consumers tend to have more disposable income, and tend to be 
more conservative. Why deliberately alienate them? We're not 
heartless, selfish monsters just because we're not liberal Democrats.


No, you are a heartless selfish monster because you support a policy 
that itself is cruel, indecent, heartless: in a word, monstrous.


And don't think for one microsecond that only "liberal Democrats" oppose 
the policy.  Consider for a moment this recent Washington Post column by 
Jennifer Rubin, as genuinely conservative a columnist as ever there was:



 Decency wins — and Trump gets smacked down

   
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/06/27/decency-wins-and-trump-gets-smacked-down/?utm_term=.eee2d31d21cd

   by Jennifer Rubin
    June 27

   On the same day that the Supreme Court upheld President Trump’s
   travel ban in a tortured ruling, a district court judge hearing a
   suit on behalf of a class of migrants separated from their children
   struck a blow for common decency and family reunification. The Post
   reports
   
:

   Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the United States District Court for the
   Southern District of California granted a preliminary injunction
   sought by the American Civil Liberties Union. He said all
   children must be reunited with their families within 30 days,
   allowing just 14 days for the return of children under 5 to
   their parents. He ordered that parents must be entitled to speak
   by phone with their children within 10 days.

   The court slammed the administration
   

   for “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making.” Sabraw,
   appointed by President George W. Bush, found: “This
   situation has reached a crisis level. The news media is saturated
   with stories of immigrant families being separated at the border.
   People are protesting. Elected officials are weighing in. Congress
   is threatening action. Seventeen states have now filed a complaint
   against the Federal Government challenging the family separation
   practice.”

   In issuing an injunction, the court found there was a likelihood
   that the plaintiffs would succeed on a due process claim. (“We are a
   country of laws, and of compassion. We have plainly stated our
   intent to treat refugees with an ordered process, and benevolence,
   by codifying principles of asylum.  The Government’s treatment . . .
   [of] class members does not meet this standard, and it is unlikely
   to pass constitutional muster.”) The court continued:

   The practice of separating these families was implemented
   without any effective system or procedure for (1) tracking the
   children after they were separated from their parents, (2)
   enabling communication between the parents and their children
   after separation, and (3) reuniting the parents and children
   after the parents are returned to immigration
   custody following completion of their criminal sentence. This is
   a startling reality. The government readily keeps track of
   personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration
   proceedings. Money, important documents, and automobiles, to
   name a few, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and
   alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track
   of , provide effective communication with, and promptly produce
   alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the
   present system migrant children are not accounted for with the
   same efficiency and accuracy as property. Certainly, that cannot
   satisfy the requirements of due process.

   The court cited at length the findings of the Children’s Defense
   Fund regarding the extensive harm done to children forcibly
   separated from their parents. The court expressed the shock and
   dismay many ordinary Americans are feeling:

   The facts set forth before the Court portray
   reactive governance — responses to address a chaotic
   circumstance of the Government’s own making. They belie measured
   and ordered governance, which is central to the concept of due
   process enshrined in our Constitution. This is particularly so
   in the treatment of migrants, many of whom are asylum seekers
   and small children. The extraordinary remedy of 

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Virgil Staphbeard]

I unfortunately will be out of town this weekend, but I'm in for a meetup 
and ride sometime. 

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:48:55 AM UTC-4, MattB wrote:
>
> Virgil,   My description was very awkward, its an Atlantis painted in the 
> original Hilborne orange color. It's widely understood that Orange is the 
> fasted color.  I've run across a black Hilborne parked at the Jazz Kitchen 
> a couple of times, I haven't been able to track down the owner!  Maybe we 
> could get together this coming weekend!
>
> matt
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 7:46 PM, Virgil Staphbeard  > wrote:
>
>> Yep I'm in the SoBro Butler area. And Matt, I'm not sure if you were 
>> saying only Hilborne or only orange Hilborne, but I have a friend in Indy 
>> that has a black Hilborne.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>>>
>>> Matt and Bob, let's make a plan! Any other Indy rivs out there? Virgil?
>>>
>>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ePz-m_UmYUk/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[John G.]

+1 to the Randi Jo caps. I have a Paul-branded one, and it's really 
lightweight and has a nice wide brim for my satellite-dish face.

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 3:00:55 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> This year I’ve been wearing a Shelta hat 
> https://www.sheltahats.com/products/the-firebird 
> The front brim is stiff like a ball cap while the surrounding wide brim is 
> soft like a Tilley.  So far, it stays on my head at 20+ mph descents and 
> keeps sun off my ears and neck.  They have different styles with varying 
> widths in the side. 
> Erl

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

It looks great. Finally we have something we all agree on.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[WETH]

This year I’ve been wearing a Shelta hat 
https://www.sheltahats.com/products/the-firebird
The front brim is stiff like a ball cap while the surrounding wide brim is soft 
like a Tilley.  So far, it stays on my head at 20+ mph descents and keeps sun 
off my ears and neck.  They have different styles with varying widths in the 
side.
Erl

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[jandrews]

thanks all
Re: 23T not being in use for a reason with 74 bcd, I get that, but also 
thinking that perhaps aluminum strength and precision cutting may have 
changed since the standards were set.
After setting up my SH as a 1x (with a manual bailout granny)...I'm 
actually going back to a triple.  I guess I just feel comfortable with 
three up front.  If I was a brand new cyclist, I would mostly likely avoid 
it.
I have some unused Riv Silver chainrings (43T and 35T) in the parts box and 
am considering this 23T for the smallest position




On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 1:36:35 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Interesting. I'll play devil's advocate:  for $12 I'd try it, personally. 
>  Heck, I'd buy 2 for the shipping cost.  I could see potential for 
> problems, but not consequential ones.
>
> If it breaks, you're in your low gear and therefore going slow anyway. 
>  Use your middle ring to limp home.
>
> The chain might ride up on the bolt head if it protrudes much beyond the 
> face of the ring,  but would that really cause problems?  Maybe you'd feel 
> it in your cadence, but not as much as, say an oval ring.   ( though even 
> biopace used a round granny ring...).  I can't think what it would hurt 
> mechanically, unless it caused the chain to wear slightly faster.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

There's a new BLAHG up, and it'll be up thru the weekend. On the surface it
may seem to be adding fuel to the fire, etc., but if you wade thru the
whole thing (as I have!), I don't think you'll find too much controversy in
it.
Grant "Possibly Incredibly Naive" Petersen

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My best friend is a Republican. I don't traffic in "all members of a
> particular party are bad" BS, I object to THIS policy from THIS
> president..who isn't even a real Republican. He was a liberal Democrat
> 15-20 years ago, and would have stayed there if he could've found a
> foothold. But Putin and Fox News both figured out (independently and
> simultaneously) that his autocratic tendencies fit the righty side, so
> started grooming him for a Republican presidential run.
>
> I don't think either entity thought it would work, but combine the power
> of the consolidated voice of conservatism in cable news with Russia's
> astonishing election meddling prowess and you get the lunatic we have now
> in the WH. Heckuva job, America! 
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o8bBoIpZknI/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] choco norms

[Joe Bernard]

I get two positions, but I cut an inch off the ends so it's my fault I lost 
one. The grip and curves work just like Moustache/Albastache, but with mtb-ish 
levers/grips and without the forward reach. I like 'em. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NmXCbvDKbxuxwrmL2

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] choco norms

[jandrews]

Talk to me about choco norms.
>From those who have actually ridden them, do they really offer 3 hand 
positions that are useful?  Could they be a replacement for a drop or 
mustache rider?
I'm asking because, I'm considering using them for my S.H. rebuild which 
currently has noodles.  I have a set of Albas with handgrips but they 
aren't as useful for long distance riding for me.
Any tourists or campers using the choco norms are really liking them?
JS

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I used to wear a Tilley, but the air flow noise and loosing them because I took 
them off for fast descents (flapping and noise) and they found they way free 
(at one-two a year, that gets pricy) I switched to a cycling cap. Wool from 
www.Walz.com. Four ply boiled wool hat over it in winter. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

My best friend is a Republican. I don't traffic in "all members of a particular 
party are bad" BS, I object to THIS policy from THIS president..who isn't even 
a real Republican. He was a liberal Democrat 15-20 years ago, and would have 
stayed there if he could've found a foothold. But Putin and Fox News both 
figured out (independently and simultaneously) that his autocratic tendencies 
fit the righty side, so started grooming him for a Republican presidential run. 
 

I don't think either entity thought it would work, but combine the power of the 
consolidated voice of conservatism in cable news with Russia's astonishing 
election meddling prowess and you get the lunatic we have now in the WH. 
Heckuva job, America! 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Clayton, you asked that no one respond  but your opening made me comment. I am 
sorry for the past circumstances of your life. As a mother myself I can only 
feel compassion for children and those that had difficult childhoods 


I feel the need to draw the line at painting all Republicans as evil 
individuals.  I’m a moderate by almost anyone’s definition but I am a 
registered Republican.  Broad stroke condemnations are harmful and normally not 
accurate. I married a Democrat.  We’ve had 26 happy years together. I wish 
others could find a common ground of compassion and respect for one another

This thread is why I wish political discussions were not welcome at this forum 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I'll second the Halo cycling products 
 with their sweat seal 
functionality. I generally bike with a cotton cycling cap, but I'll put on 
my Halo sweatband when I know it'll be hot, and I'll be hoofing it. The 
sweatband redirects sweat away from my face and (more importantly) my eyes 
much better than a cotton cycling cap. The sweatband is also low profile 
and fit comfortably underneath a helmet (if you so choose to wear one). 
They're a bit pricey, especially when compared to cotton cycling caps on 
closeout, but they're worth the money.


On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 9:44:09 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> I wear a Halo brand skull cap (white) with it's built-in sweatband with a 
> Patagonia Duckbill visor.  The Duckbill Hats are too shallow and are mesh 
> on top, so the Halo cap with the Duckbill visor version makes for a 2-piece 
> hat.  The Duckbill hats and visors have much wider visor than any cycling 
> cap ever has, and the visor isn't angled down like cycling caps which end 
> up blocking your vision unless flipped up, defeating the purpose of the 
> visor. I have just the right amount of coverage from the sun from the 
> sides. 
>
> All I can say is this works like a charm for me in heat and humidity. This 
> morning the dewpoint was 75 and temp in the mid 80's. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Drw]

Well, I’m starting to hate everyone who keeps posting. including myself 
now. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

"With people like you Joe I'm surprised anyone stays..."

People love me, man..it's like a freakin' Joe Bernard Fan Club around here. 
Deal with it!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

[MartyG]

>
> Here's a link to the plans - or at least a link to the link. Might cost 
> you a couple bucks. If anyone gets close to making a pair, let me know and 
> I can let you in on a couple things I learned. FYI, I have most of the 
> right tools for the job, like a bandsaw, drill press, router and assorted 
> odd bits like a plug cutter that are needed. I made a set of thin plywood 
> templates I MIGHT loan out. They are very handy if you are making more than 
> one. I would classify this as mildly challenging unless you work wood all 
> the time, but it's a very satisfying challenge. 
>

 
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/editors-blog/new-yankee-workshop-adirondack-chair
 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Garth]

I wear a Halo brand skull cap (white) with it's built-in sweatband with a 
Patagonia Duckbill visor.  The Duckbill Hats are too shallow and are mesh 
on top, so the Halo cap with the Duckbill visor version makes for a 2-piece 
hat.  The Duckbill hats and visors have much wider visor than any cycling 
cap ever has, and the visor isn't angled down like cycling caps which end 
up blocking your vision unless flipped up, defeating the purpose of the 
visor. I have just the right amount of coverage from the sun from the 
sides. 

All I can say is this works like a charm for me in heat and humidity. This 
morning the dewpoint was 75 and temp in the mid 80's. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Robert F. Harrison]

Mostly I wear caps from the Walz Velo/City collection. They are wool (for
the most part anyway) which you'd think would be hot hear in Hawaii (and on
RAGBRAI and mainland rides). I like the bigger visor over normal cycling
caps and, being wool, they don't start stinking right away on tours.

Bob

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:25 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> What do you wear for a cap?
> Looking for cool in hot weather and good vision under visor in drops.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>


-- 
Robert Harrison
Honolulu, HI
rfharri...@gmail.com
statrix.com
Wu Name: Tha Eurythmic King of Nowhere

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

To the Republican members of this group,

As a sixty two year old man, who still suffers from the effects of child 
abuse, child neglect and abandonment, I say without any reservation, and 
with great passion, that taking children away from their parents is one 
hundred percent wrong. The children are innocent. If you believe otherwise, 
you are a brainless, heartless dick. There is no way you could ever win 
this argument. 

In my experience in the states, when an adult with children is arrested, 
almost always, there are grandparents, the spouse, aunts and uncles to take 
care of the children when the parent is put in the back seat. I know this, 
because I worked the streets as a Firefighter Paramedic. The argument that 
children are taken away from family, when parents are arrested north of the 
border is mostly BS. As a matter of fact, the Republican party right now is 
just a big pile of lying shit, and I can't wait to vote them out. Child 
abusers. We sit here an bicker while the Earth is burning. The Paris accord 
is the most important thing on the table right now, and Trump pulls out. 
Idiot. 

I wish Americans were more intelligent. At least this group is smart enough 
to ride bikes. 

Ok, I said my piece. I won't get sucked into an argument with any of you, 
so don't bother responding to this. Just had to get that off my chest after 
reading some of these posts 

Divisive, rude, arrogant, looking down my nose, bad, abused child, evil, 
horrible, 
brown skin loving, hard core caring liberal
Sure to be hated now,

Clayton
DirtDance

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Clayton.sf]

tilley hat when sunny or a beanie when cold, and mostly nothing.

clayton scott
HBG, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[iamkeith]

(Damn.  I'm all thumbs trying to type with my thumbs.)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

What the hell is wrong with posting on an open thread? If no one was 
suppose to post, why wasn't the thread closed?

And who the hell are you Joe Bernard to tell me I can't post?

I don't visit this group much, but so what?

With people like you Joe I'm surprised anyone stays...

Patrick, your post was spot on, thanks for sharing it with us. 





On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Very thoughtful and well written post Deacon."
>
> It's Patrick; deacon is the thing Patrick does at church. You showed up 
> here a week late to troll a dead thread and don't even know who Deacon 
> Patrick is. Also, you don't like Rivendells anymore and won't shop there, 
> but you have business advice for Grant. I'm glad we've cleared this up.  
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Jonathan D.]

Patrick,

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I definitely disagree with several of 
your opinions but hearing your point of view is important. We can’t all just 
sit in our echo chamber and need more civil discourse in our society and 
thoughtful debate. 

I hope the thread or the tone of this thread change and it doesn’t spill over 
into our other threads and future topics debating the subtle differences 
between the MIT  and MUSA Atlantis Bikes. I would also  still love to read some 
more MIT Atlantis ride reports, comparisons with other models (Appaloossa 
specifically) and mountain bike speculation. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

[RichS]

Lovely setting (and sitting). Bike building and wood working go hand in hand. 
Hatchets, sling shots and carving wooden knives!

Nicely done. Happy 4th!

Best,
Rich

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

"Very thoughtful and well written post Deacon."

It's Patrick; deacon is the thing Patrick does at church. You showed up here a 
week late to troll a dead thread and don't even know who Deacon Patrick is. 
Also, you don't like Rivendells anymore and won't shop there, but you have 
business advice for Grant. I'm glad we've cleared this up.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Kainalu V.]

Randi Jo fabrications caps rule. The linen caps are thin and cool, and their XL 
cap is actually big! 
-Kai
BKNY

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Lum Gim Fong]

What do you wear for a cap?
Looking for cool in hot weather and good vision under visor in drops.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[ctifusion]

Super cool!!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

[islaysteve]

Nice, Marty.  There's nothing like a woodworking project (well, maybe bike 
build) completed and ready for you to continue enjoying.  Happy Fourth!
Steve


On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 7:40:42 PM UTC-4, MartyG wrote:
>
> Like many of us I suspect, we have projects we have every intention of 
> completing, if only we had a couple uninterrupted days. That's rare for me, 
> but I managed to sandwich two together this week and built these despite 
> the 100 degree weather. Fun project, and very comfortable. Norm Abram 
> design. Clear Western Red Cedar. Classic, light and strong - just like a 
> Rivendell! I'll find time to ride (and mow the lawn) later in the week. 
>
>
> 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[ian m]

Very cool!

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 4:06:17 PM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
> Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> A steel moose stem with removable faceplates 
>>
>
> You mean something like this? (Requires a threadless converter)
> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-v-4-stem-dull.html
>
> Takashi
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Rusty Click]

What a great project...and a great result.  It looks fantastic!

Rusty

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
> https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks for the info.
I got a black X2.
July 4 15% off sale.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Garth]

   Just give it up Richard , and everyone else "trying" to get their little 
"last jab" in because "an ending" is not the intent, a continuance of the 
back-and-forth "fight against"  is  a never ending accusing of the 
other by excusing oneself for throwing the "last jab". 
 

It's really self-serving nonsense.  Nothing has been changed, no one is 
helped. The "issues/accusations" are again but an excuse to 
"do-say-whatever-the-fuck-I-want-because-blah-blah-blah"  .  The "fight 
against" has nothing to do with the issues/accusations/excuses. 


The "fight against" is the very thing the "fight against" is fighting 
against.   A fight against nothing, and nothing cannot be fought with, as 
nothing is nothing. So who's the fighter ?  No one, there isn't one. 


In Truth, all there is, is Truth Itself. 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

Just one more post.. I can't help myselflike the little kid trying to 
get the last word in:)

Very thoughtful and well written post Deacon. Please continue to speak your 
mind.

I'm in agreement with you on the need to protect the unborn. With recent 
events unfolding, I feel we're going to have a national conversation about 
it soon. Long overdue in my mind.
 

IMHO, not that anyone is asking, Grant should separate his politics from 
his business. Though you would never know it from this google group, not 
all purchasers of Rivendell bikes, myself included, share his political 
leanings. 

Older consumers tend to have more disposable income, and tend to be more 
conservative. Why deliberately alienate them? We're not heartless, selfish 
monsters just because we're not liberal Democrats.

It's really a matter of what's appropriate on a business website. Inserting 
politics into a small business, one dependent on internet sales, is simply 
a bad idea, especially in this age of instant internet boycotts. 

Yes, I know Grant writes on his BLAG but I believe it links to the store 
website.

 Have you read about the royal screwup at Walmart recently?

 Apparently some Walmart's are selling "Impeach 45" T shirts and someone 
posted about it on Twitter. The tweet immediately went viral  and the 
outcry created an instant #BoycottWalmart trend on Twitter. 

Of course Walmart is pulling the t shirts, but the damage is done. A major 
PR nightmare for a retailer with a presence in every red state in the 
country. 

Sorry guys, its probably too late to buy the T-shirts..:)


 

  










On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:09:34 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What do we want this group to be? Grant laments having to edit himself too 
> much, yet that is exactly what those here who disagree with “lefties” are 
> often asked to silently do. 
>
> I’m not sure the “lefties,” as Grant self-described, realize how much of 
> the lefty echo chamber gets unwittingly expressed in various ways on this 
> group nor do they realize the choice it presents with folks who disagree. 
> In part this is because they think such conclusions are commonplace across 
> they country and in human thought and understanding. Sometimes (as 
> evidenced in this thread), this is paired with the judgement that anyone 
> who disagrees (or expresses nuanced agreement) is backward, inhuman, 
> primative, ignorant, or worse. I generally let them slide. To suggest I’ve 
> finally turned a conversation to what I want to talk about is incorrect. 
> Over the years, various references to the code languague of the left have 
> been used (both by Grant in writings and by others on this group), such as 
> “women’s reproductive rights,” or “free to love whomever they choose,” or 
> other positions that inherantly go against my understanding of human 
> dignity. once understood what they stand for. 
>
> The above is one of the reasons I “went there.” If not everyone can agree 
> with science that a human egg fertalized by a human sperm is both human and 
> alive and thus logically has human rights, including to life, we need to 
> absolutly stick to bike talk. So while I grasp the desire to not have to 
> self edit, by having the echo chamber sneak in as it has more recently, 
> means anyone who disagrees either has to be silent, or speak up, or leave. 
> Is that what this group wants? I am happy to leave if so. However, I am a 
> Catholic deacon and I will not longer remain silent in the face of the echo 
> chamber. Also, for the record, I have many moral issues with many of our 
> presidents. If you want to understand my politics, Catholic Social Teaching 
> is your best bet. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The close up photos are nice but a photo of the whole bike would be good, 
too.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
> https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Justin, Oakland]

Phil K-
Have you tried the Fairweather All road bars?
-J

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.