[RBW] Re: FS: 1986 Bridgestone MB-3

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe, 
Isn't it two or three sizes larger than what you are usually riding?!
23" - 21" - 19" - 18" - 

David Lipsky

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:15:27 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Oh I have several questions..

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[RBW] Re: Recommend a Non leather saddlebag straps

[Collin A]

https://ultraromance.bigcartel.com/product/9-titan-straps-for-saddle-loop-mount

Either you can grab them from UR or direct from Titan. The holes go almost 
as close as the aluminum buckle hardware.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:36:23 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> Interesting about the toe straps. I’m not against leather, I just don’t 
> like seeing the expensive saddlebag ones chewed up. I might be ok seeing 
> toe straps get chewed up though. 

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[RBW] FS: 1986 Bridgestone MB-3

[jonathan moreno]

shoot!

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[RBW] Re: Recommend a Non leather saddlebag straps

[Drw]

Interesting about the toe straps. I’m not against leather, I just don’t like 
seeing the expensive saddlebag ones chewed up. I might be ok seeing toe straps 
get chewed up though. 

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[RBW] FS: 1986 Bridgestone MB-3

[Joe Bernard]

Oh I have several questions..

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[RBW] Re: Recommend a Non leather saddlebag straps

[sameness]

I've used toe straps on my Carradice for more adjustability, but those are 
still leather. 

The non-Irish version of Riv's Irish straps are called Coghlan's Arno 
straps, and they're handy for stuff like this. You can loop 'em through the 
buckle twice for extra meat. 

I think you're a Westsider now? Adventure16 has 'em.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 6:31:43 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m not a huge fan of leather saddlebag straps. The buckle/hole never seem 
> to match up with how tight I want it, and the brooks loops seem to tear 
> mine up on the sides. What else are people using? I tried a voile strap but 
> the holes are too far out and it won’t cinch up enough. 
>

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[RBW] Recommend a Non leather saddlebag straps

[Drw]

I’m not a huge fan of leather saddlebag straps. The buckle/hole never seem to 
match up with how tight I want it, and the brooks loops seem to tear mine up on 
the sides. What else are people using? I tried a voile strap but the holes are 
too far out and it won’t cinch up enough. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Tim Bantham]

The two Rivendell models that I most covet are the Atlantis and the 
Hunqapillar. When I was considered buying my first Riv I found a review on 
the Atlantis that Benedict had done along with Bikepacking.com.  For those 
who may remember this spread it featured photos of him making coffee 
outside alongside this gorgeous Atlantis. My exposure to that review really 
finally convinced me to sell off my carbon unitasker bikes in favor of a 
lugged steel bag toting machine that could carry me and my stuff off into 
the wilderness. I balked at the price of a MUSA Atlantis and decided on a 
complete Sam as my gateway into Riv. I have since purchased a Appaloosa as 
my second Riv to serve as my touring rig. I love the Appaloosa but 
sometimes wish I waited just a little longer until the MIT Atlantis became 
available. It wouldn't make any sense for me to replace my Appaloosa with 
the Atlantis now because they do exactly the same thing.  I have nothing 
against 2TT's but I do like the appearance of the truss style 2TT on the 
Atlantis slightly better than the Joe. I am hoping that Rivendell also 
decides to do a MIT Hunq at some point. 

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:22:38 PM UTC-5, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article. 
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Tim Bantham]

Just a quick update on my saddle exploits. I borrowed a C17 carved from a 
friend and I can say without a doubt that I like it better than the regular 
C17. The difference in the amount of "give" is noticeable but I am not yet 
convinced that this is the one. What I don't like about it is that I can 
feel its width if that makes sense. I think I just need something narrower. 
I have a Charge Spoon that I was able to pick up new for less than $30. I 
am going to try that one next. If that doesn't work I am going to try the 
C15 carved. 

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:50:38 PM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Will's recent Email about selecting a Brooks has me thinking about trying 
> a Cambium again. I've tried the Cambium C17 in the past. At first I liked 
> it well enough but that changed the first time I had to do a long ride. I 
> ride my Sam with Alba's and Appaloosa with Billie's. I would say that my 
> position on the bike is upright-ish. Over the course of a longer ride I 
> found that the C17 was downright painful. Specifically, my sit bones 
> started to feel like it was grinding into the top of the saddle with every 
> pedal stroke. 
>
> Has anyone tried a C17 a found that you didn't like it but later had 
> success with another Cambium model? Will had said that the slotted version 
> of the C17 is way better than the non-slotted version. I also heard that 
> the C19 was the way to go. I am skeptical of the C19 because I just don't 
> know if my position is considered to up right enough to warrant a much 
> wider saddle then I have ridden in the past. I realize that one's saddle 
> choice is far from a one size fits all approach. I thought I'd ask for 
> other users experiences as a starting point before I explore trying a 
> Cambium again. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Tim
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>From today’s Riv email: “Benedict is now a mobile Riv dealer, so if he tries 
>to sell you a Hillborne in an alley it's legit.”

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Patrick Moore]

As some wise man said, "Humor is the best prophylactic." Or to put it in H.
L. Mencken's words: "A belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms."

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:21 PM sameness  wrote:

> I'm struggling to not make a pine tar soap joke, and it's not going well.
>
> Jeff "Just Drop It Already" Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[sameness]

I'm struggling to not make a pine tar soap joke, and it's not going well.

Jeff "Just Drop It Already" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 6:54:30 AM UTC-8, Trenker wrote:
>
> Do you have a method you use  to detect the sexual orientation of 
> shirtless white guys on bikes?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Patrick Moore]

Ach, it's been a long, cold, lonely winter, I guess.

Patrick Moore, beardless, straight, lonely, and at least half white*, but
in every case fully clothed, in ABQ, NM, who deprecates whatzisname's
wardrobe but likes his bikes and makes no guesses a-tall, at-all, about his
sexuality.

* The one thing I share with Barack Obama!


On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 7:54 AM Trenker  wrote:

> "I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on bikes"
>
> Do you have a method you use  to detect the sexual orientation of
> shirtless white guys on bikes?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano, Tektro, Nitto, and friends

[Mike K.]

Bump and some added items: Ergon Cork grips and Deore XT stuff and Shimano 
V-brakes and levers.
If you're interested in the whole Deore/V-Brake combo I'll sell it for $150 
shipped. I have grip shifters too that I'll throw in. I don't know if they 
work, though. That's why they're not on the list.

Description Model # Size Condition Price
Tektro R539 Medium Reach brakes - $40 R539 Recessed allen nut Good-Excellent 
$40
Nitto Dirtdrop Stem 80x25.4 - $40 MT10 80x25.4 Good $40
WTB Horizon Tire (single) 650bx47 New SOLD
Tektro Interrupter "Cross" brake levers RL720 24mm (for road bars) Excellent 
SOLD
Shimano Tiagra road aero brake levers - $25 BL-R400 23.8mm mounts (standard 
road) Fair $25
microShift 10sp Road shifter levers w/ barend pods BS-T10 or BS-T10B Fits 
road bars Excellent SOLD
Tektro RL520 long pull brake levers - $30 RL520 Road drops for V-brakes New 
$30
Red Rando Bag (appx 8x8x10) - $35 appx 8"x8"x10" Fair $30
Vintage Bullmoose Bars - $70 1" threaded x Excellent $70
Ergon cork grips - $35 
Deore XT mini group ($150 for everything below)
FC M737 Crankset w/ UN71 bottom bracket - $80
FD M735 - $15
RD M737 - $40 ($50 for both)
HG-50 8-speed cassette - will send with the RD
BR M422 v-brakes - $20

BL M421 v-brake levers -$20 ($35 for brakes w/levers)

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[Pancake]

Agreed, it's very detailed for current models (including the B177, B132, 
B135) but not for older or proprietary bars (like the RM-013 or Maes 
Parallel). It includes the angle of the drop, but not the flare out like 
the difference between the width of the flats and the bottom of the flats 
vs. the width of the flats and the width of the bar ends, I suppose with 
some geometry calculations we could sort it though. That was interesting to 
read though a bit, thanks Jeff!

On Wednesday, 9 January 2019 09:19:34 UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> The 2019 catalog  seems 
> pretty darn comprehensive at first glance, though it doesn't seem to 
> include the proprietary designs from RBW, SimWorks, Fairweather, etc. Still 
> and all, a good resource if only because it's straight from the horse's 
> mouth.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 9:09:37 AM UTC-8, Pancake wrote:
>>
>> It seems a shame there’s not a resource with off of Nitto’s bar 
>> specifications in one place - it’s be great to see all that info at the 
>> same place rather than sorting through a dozen websites (which often have 
>> conflicting info or only info for one size). 
>>
>

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[RBW] PSA: 56cm Quickbeam in Chicago

[Matt Beecher]

Dang. Apparently, I should not have posted this. It is a 58 and therefore fits 
me, but someone else is going to see it first. 

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[masmojo]

The article was pretty good, but here's how they break down for me.
#1 C-17 carved
#2 C-17 All weather
#3 broken in B-17
#4 regular C-17
#5 regular C-19
#6 B-72

This list is most of the Brooks saddles I have spent considerable time with. I 
haven't tried the B-17 with the slot or the carved C-19, but I would expect 
they would slot into the upper middle & middle respectively. 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[Pancake]

Good point John, when I bought the B135 that was part of the difference that 
appealed to me. However, after putting about 800 miles on the B135 bars, I can 
tell they’re just not wide enough for me. So my research on the distinctions 
between the B135 and B132 didn’t get very deep, instead I focused on wider bars 
like the Noodle, but I also wanted more flare out because my forearms bounce 
off the upper parts of the bars when getting off pavement a little and pulling 
on the drops. The dirt drops seem to be a perfect happy medium for geometry 
that I’m after and with that I want, but I’ve been very surprised to see how 
many similar bars Nitto makes for so many different companies.

Those Compass Maes Parallel bars are a great example, very fine differences 
made for a specific company in a niche market. 46cm maximum width though, so 
not quite as wide as I was after. 

It seems a shame there’s not a resource with off of Nitto’s bar specifications 
in one place - it’s be great to see all that info at the same place rather than 
sorting through a dozen websites (which often have conflicting info or only 
info for one size).

Fantastically wide and could be fun on a different project - the Towel Rack 
from Crust in 615mm, 645mm, or 675mm! I really like their discussion of “wide” 
bars that just aren’t that wide: 

“Flash ahead to the normalized MTB world of 50mm stems and 800mm handlebars 
that we live in today. Why do they get to be so verily comfortable while our 
slumped, pigeon chested bodies are negated to 38-46mm “wide” bars??? WH 
I don’t know, so that’s why we made these.”

Any other variations or distinctions worth mentioning please do, also if there 
are other 46cm or wider bars with some flare out please add to my list!

Related my RM-013 52cm bars arrive today :-)

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[sameness]

The 2019 catalog  seems pretty 
darn comprehensive at first glance, though it doesn't seem to include the 
proprietary designs from RBW, SimWorks, Fairweather, etc. Still and all, a 
good resource if only because it's straight from the horse's mouth.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 9:09:37 AM UTC-8, Pancake wrote:
>
> It seems a shame there’s not a resource with off of Nitto’s bar 
> specifications in one place - it’s be great to see all that info at the 
> same place rather than sorting through a dozen websites (which often have 
> conflicting info or only info for one size). 
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[Pancake]

 Good point John, when I bought the B135 that was part of the difference that 
appeal to me. However, after putting about 800 miles on the B135 bars, I can 
tell they’re just not wide enough for me.  So maybe research on the 
distinctions between the B135 and B132 didn’t get very deep, instead I focused 
on wider bars like the noodle, but I also wanted more flare out because my arms 
rob when getting off road a little and pulling on the drops. The dirt drops 
seem to be a perfect happy medium for geometry that I’m after and with that I 
want, but I’ve been very surprised to see how many similar bars Nido makes for 
so many different companies. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Trenker]

"I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on bikes"

Do you have a method you use  to detect the sexual orientation of shirtless 
white guys on bikes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[hugh flynn]

You calling us navel-gazers?

Them's fighting words :-)

Cycling content: Never leave your belly-button at home when you go for a
ride. You never know when you might need it.

Hugh "abandoning decorum" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:04 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> What in the world does being born with an inny or an outty and being
> unhappy about it have to do with cycling? Religion? Sure. Science?
> Youbetcha. Politics. Aye. Sigh. But, here, cycling? No. Please. No. Let us
> not be inclusive of being so wildly inclusive as to be exclusive and
> devisive. Let’s stay focused on Riv and cycling please.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What in the world does being born with an inny or an outty and being unhappy 
about it have to do with cycling? Religion? Sure. Science? Youbetcha. Politics. 
Aye. Sigh. But, here, cycling? No. Please. No. Let us not be inclusive of being 
so wildly inclusive as to be exclusive and devisive. Let’s stay focused on Riv 
and cycling please.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No, Jeff. This was before UR shaved. Mack is the one in the baseball cap...

Sameness wrote:
Helluva beard Little Mack's got going.
> 
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:03:40 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:I think 
> Bene'e Fame really skyrocketed when he was photographed at the North American 
> Hand-Built Bicycle Show hanging out with Little Mack Roland.

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