[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow! Spectacular!
Thank you, Patrick!

David Lipsky

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 3:29:35 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I take Beorn of the Gus Boots Willsen Clan on his first 
> bikepacking adventure expotition and he surprises me with his epic 
> land-travel speed via a fog teleportation experience that saw me in 
> Colorado, Scotland, Tibet, the Pacific Northwest, back to Colorado and 
> briefly to Arizona.
>

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[RBW] Quickbeam 62cm Complete for sale

[Daniel Jackson]

Hey John,

Can’t PM here - would you send me a note?

Would you bring it to VT with you for sale?

Thanks,
D. 

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[RBW] Re: Bump! FS/ FT 58cm Joe Appaloosa

[LeRoy]

Where are you located?

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 3:00:51 PM UTC-4, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,  just seeing if someone might be interested in a 58 Joe App( 
> Silver) or a trade for your 59 Clem H. Looking for more tire clearance!   
>  It has disc tabs/ Canti bosses.I’m thinking $950( which includes 
> shipping) or trade for a Clem.   For some reason I can’t figure out how to 
> post some pics but have them if you’re interested.Thank you!-Mike 
>

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[RBW] WTB: Riv parts for a Sam Hillborne build

[Ginz]

Eric, I have sugino XD triple arms in 170mm. Not the most pristine example but 
solid. 

Let me know if interested. 

From,
Another Eric G. 

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[RBW] PSA Romulus

[ted]

I think 59 is Bill’s size, so perhaps he needs to get it.
I saw one of these at the north/south junction on diablo a wile back. Very cool 
bike.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

[Tom Horton]

thanks for the epic journey deacon. I am reading it just before taking off 
on a kayak trip, which has its merits...but my you make me want to trade 
the paddle for the pedal and jump the next westbound flight from chesapeake 
bay...what a treat!  tom horton


On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 6:29:35 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I take Beorn of the Gus Boots Willsen Clan on his first 
> bikepacking adventure expotition and he surprises me with his epic 
> land-travel speed via a fog teleportation experience that saw me in 
> Colorado, Scotland, Tibet, the Pacific Northwest, back to Colorado and 
> briefly to Arizona.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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[RBW] WTB: Choco Bars

[Timothy Hurley]

Does anyone have a pair they’re looking to sell? I’ve got the urge to 
needlessly tinker/change things and bars seem like a good place to start.

Thanks, 
T.J.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne, Canti posts, 650b

[al lin]

Darin,

I assume those braze ons are for low-rider racks.

As for geometry/sizing, I found this post by Erik last year for a 2011 Sam 
Hillborne, which lists a 52 size:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/7AfXEt_YYJU/XrDFVl1KAgAJ

Hope this helps,
al
sf/ca


On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 5:03:14 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> Adam, 
>
> Can you or anyone else comment on sizing for this frame? I assume this is 
> from a previous generation of Sams and can’t find a geo chart that lists a 
> 52. 
>
> Also, what did you use those back-of-fork braze ons for? 
>
> Darin

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv parts for a Sam Hillborne build

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric

I can probably get you well on your way with a package of bits.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:54:12 PM UTC-7, Eric G wrote:
>
> Thanks to the helpful advice of this forum, I finally decided to buy a new 
> 55cm Sam Hillborne frameset from the fine folks at Analog Cycles which I am 
> hoping will fit me well for many years to come. I would like to build it up 
> myself from used parts if possible. I am not looking for any handouts or 
> deals, just fair prices on quality used components in the event that anyone 
> on this forum is looking to let anything go. More specifically, I would 
> like to purchase a Sugino or Silver crankset that I can attach a chain 
> guard, derailleurs (front and back), cassette, brake levers, cantilever 
> brakes, and wheels (700c, don't need dynamo hub). I am located in the Bay 
> Area (SF) so am happy to pick up if local, but more that happy to pay 
> shipping as well. 
>
> Thank you!
> Eric 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne, Canti posts, 650b

[Jonathan K.]

This file has the geometry for the older Sams. Top of the second page.

Jonathan

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Rivendell Geometry Charts - Sheet1.pdf
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bleriot or Roadini or San Marcos or Clem H

[Bill Lindsay]

Yeah, the 52 Clem is a solid Large.  I ride a 59 Roadeo, a 56 Hillborne, 
and a 57 Roadini.  I would definitely choose a 52 Clem for myself.  

I have a 53cm Marinoni frameset that you can have for almost free.  PM me 
if you want to look at it.  It would be more of traditional road bike with 
maybe 28mm tires. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> Looking for either a 53 Bleriot or a 51 Roadini or San Marcos or a 45 Clem 
> H.  Frame preferably just the frame or the frame and a few things like 
> wheels but not a complete.  Trying to work on a budget with lots of the 
> parts I have lying around.
>
> It's crazy to me that the Clem has such a high standover/PBH.  I had a 52 
> Hillborne and with the sloping top it was borderline too big for me.  The 
> 52 Clem has an even higher standover than the Hillborne.
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this, Patrick; wonderful photos as usual, with entertaining
commentary. The juxtaposition of photos and mediations leads me to recall
the text, "God is the cause of all things by His beauty" -- Dionysius? --
in the manner that the sun "naturally" sends forth light.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In which I take Beorn of the Gus Boots Willsen Clan on his first
> bikepacking adventure expotition and he surprises me with his epic
> land-travel speed via a fog teleportation experience that saw me in
> Colorado, Scotland, Tibet, the Pacific Northwest, back to Colorado and
> briefly to Arizona.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne, Canti posts, 650b

[DarinM]

Adam,

Can you or anyone else comment on sizing for this frame? I assume this is from 
a previous generation of Sams and can’t find a geo chart that lists a 52.

Also, what did you use those back-of-fork braze ons for?

Darin

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Daniel D.]

My experience as well 10 speed wipperman links are easy to work with Sram's 
not so much.  And KMC 9-speed is why I have quicklink pliers.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:21:02 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> Another route is to use whipperman chains whose connex quick links are 
> easily worked without a tool. I’ve heard kmc are good too but have not used 
> those. 

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[RBW] WTB: Riv parts for a Sam Hillborne build

[Eric G]

Thanks to the helpful advice of this forum, I finally decided to buy a new 
55cm Sam Hillborne frameset from the fine folks at Analog Cycles which I am 
hoping will fit me well for many years to come. I would like to build it up 
myself from used parts if possible. I am not looking for any handouts or 
deals, just fair prices on quality used components in the event that anyone 
on this forum is looking to let anything go. More specifically, I would 
like to purchase a Sugino or Silver crankset that I can attach a chain 
guard, derailleurs (front and back), cassette, brake levers, cantilever 
brakes, and wheels (700c, don't need dynamo hub). I am located in the Bay 
Area (SF) so am happy to pick up if local, but more that happy to pay 
shipping as well. 

Thank you!
Eric 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[Marc Pfister]

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-6, Paul Burns wrote:
>
> Looking for tires for HHH, 70% on paved road, 30% dirt roads.  Would 
> really prefer tan sidewall.   Compass sound great, but am concerned re 
> flats/durability.  Considering WTB Horizon 47 and Panaracer GravelKing 48. 


My current not-a-hubbuh tandem has the GravelKing 48s on it, running tubes 
with tubeless sealant. This bike probably sees at least 75% of its mileage 
on dirt roads in goathead country. I have not had a single flat or cut in 
the past year.

The upcoming Hubbuh is going to run 60mm Schwalbe G-One Speeds tubeless. 
This tire only comes in blackwall, but there's a 50mm non-tubeless version 
available in tanwall.

WTB has a 50mm version of the Venture coming out, and there's a tubeless 
tanwall version.

Similar but slightly skinnier is the 47mm Teravail Cannonball, which is 
available in tubeless tanwall version too.

- Marc Pfister
Windsor CO

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Patrick Moore]

George: Was this a 10-speed or narrower chain? I have consistently over the
years had no problems releasing SRAM masterlinks with delicate use of my
fingers. KMC and others, problems, yes, but SRAM masterlinks just supinely
fall apart under my hands, even on dirty chains (tho' I do use dry lubes
or, now, wax).

It was only with 10-speed chains that I needed a masterlink pliers, and I
read that 10 speed chains *are not designed to release without pliers,*
unlike 9 and earlier ones.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:38 PM George Schick  wrote:

> This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it)
> to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this
> chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing
> and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart
> relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid
> Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them
> loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the
> point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a
> chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of
> either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called
> easy links?
>
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[RBW] WTB: Bleriot or Roadini or San Marcos or Clem H

[Johnny Alien]

Looking for either a 53 Bleriot or a 51 Roadini or San Marcos or a 45 Clem 
H.  Frame preferably just the frame or the frame and a few things like 
wheels but not a complete.  Trying to work on a budget with lots of the 
parts I have lying around.

It's crazy to me that the Clem has such a high standover/PBH.  I had a 52 
Hillborne and with the sloping top it was borderline too big for me.  The 
52 Clem has an even higher standover than the Hillborne.

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[ted]

Another route is to use whipperman chains whose connex quick links are easily 
worked without a tool. I’ve heard kmc are good too but have not used those. 

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[RBW] Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

[WETH]

Patrick,
The photo with the “undulating plateau” description is stunning.  As I’ve come 
to expect, a wonderful narrative and beautiful photos!
Thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Brewster Fong]

And if you don't like Park, KMC makes a similar tool too:

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On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:46:29 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Park makes a tool for that.   $16
>
> [image: Park Tool MLP-1 Master Link Pliers]
> On 6/11/19 5:37 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it) 
> to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this 
> chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing 
> and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart 
> relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid 
> Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them 
> loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the 
> point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a 
> chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of 
> either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called 
> easy links?
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which I take Beorn of the Gus Boots Willsen Clan on his first bikepacking 
adventure expotition and he surprises me with his epic land-travel speed via a 
fog teleportation experience that saw me in Colorado, Scotland, Tibet, the 
Pacific Northwest, back to Colorado and briefly to Arizona.

https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Joe Bunik]

Howdy all,

I've got an extra set of the MLP-1 pliers that I'd forward on for $12
shipped CONUS
https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/47938025237/

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 6/11/19, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> That plier thingy is a lifesaver. Don't touch your chain without it.
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam 62cm Complete for sale

[sameness]

Most well-appointed Riv build I've ever had my hands on. Two centimeters 
too tall or it would still be in my stable. Good luck with the sale.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Joe Bernard]

That plier thingy is a lifesaver. Don't touch your chain without it. 

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Bill Lindsay]

And they make a CC-3.2 to check your chain for wear.  If it has really been 
in use for quite a few years, it should be worn out and should be replaced, 
not cleaned. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:46:29 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Park makes a tool for that.   $16
>
> [image: Park Tool MLP-1 Master Link Pliers]
> On 6/11/19 5:37 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it) 
> to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this 
> chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing 
> and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart 
> relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid 
> Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them 
> loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the 
> point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a 
> chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of 
> either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called 
> easy links?
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Steve Palincsar]

Park makes a tool for that.   $16

Park Tool MLP-1 Master Link Pliers

On 6/11/19 5:37 PM, George Schick wrote:
This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls 
it) to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes. 
 Granted, this chain has been in use for quite a few years before I 
got around to removing and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it 
would still come apart relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it 
with TriFlow, then with Liquid Wrench, and finally with good old 
reliable PB Blaster, but none of them loosened it up enough to allow 
the easy link to be squeezed together to the point where it would come 
apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a chain tool to forcefully 
get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of either a solvent or 
a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called easy links?



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[RBW] Re: SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Jeremy Till]

https://www.parktool.com/product/master-link-pliers-mlp-1-2

My go to when I was a mechanic and when I'm at home. I view trying to 
release them by hand as an emergency-only option, for when you're on the 
side of the road with a busted derailleur or similar. 

In my experience, the 8 and 9 speed ones were easier to open by hand, the 
10 and 11's pretty much needed the pliers. 12 speed was coming in just as I 
stopped wrenching so no first-hand experience. 

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:37:58 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it) 
> to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this 
> chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing 
> and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart 
> relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid 
> Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them 
> loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the 
> point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a 
> chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of 
> either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called 
> easy links?
>

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[RBW] Clicking over the odometer

[Fullylugged]

Got a 20 mile club ride at 6 tonight. When I logged in to Bikejournal.com 
to see how many miles were on each bike (to decide which to take), I saw 
the total to date for this one:  It's really been a good solid, dependable, 
comfortable bike. Most miles were with Nitto noddles but the mustache has 
been fine too. If you see a Ram in your size come up for sale, consider it. 
The whole run of 3 colors (orange, blue, green) only totaled about 1,300 so 
there aren't a ton of them out there.  The 50 & 52 only came in blue and 
hhave 26" wheels. The rest are 700 (or 650B if you decide to convert). As 
delivered they go up to 38mm on tires. Converted to 650B you can go fatter. 
So this one will pass 15K. Probably has since I don't log little spins in 
the neighborhood or for fast food. 
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*2007 Rivendell  RambouilletRoad bike*
Description:  This is RB841 delivered new in Jan 2007. I've just re-built 
this as a "Townie" and love it that way. Upside down Mustache bars with 
urban bar end brake levers. Ultegra triple in front, Campy Mirage front der 
and Ultegra rear. 11-32 cassette. Brooks B-15N saddle. re laced the stock 
wheels using Tiagra rear and LX font hubs. Re-painted Amber Gold and new 
decals. Rides sweet. 

2019 Odometer: 344.6 miles 
Lifetime Odometer: 14,999.0 miles 

Tires: [manage tires ]
26 x 1.50 Panaracer Pasela, front, 2,174 miles 
26 x 1.50 Panaracer Pasela, rear, 2,174 miles 
Chain: [manage chain ]
SRAM 951 9 speed, 1,117 miles
Service: 466 500
   
Replacement: 1,117 5,000
   

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[RBW] SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[George Schick]

This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it) 
to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this 
chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing 
and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart 
relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid 
Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them 
loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the 
point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a 
chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of 
either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called 
easy links?

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[RBW] Quickbeam 62cm Complete for sale

[Karl]

Great deal! Beautiful bike!! I love my Baggins bag like the one in the photos! 
Too bad it’s not for sale!

Karl
Nash, TN

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[RBW] Bump! FS/ FT 58cm Joe Appaloosa

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  just seeing if someone might be interested in a 58 Joe App( Silver) 
or a trade for your 59 Clem H. Looking for more tire clearance!It has disc 
tabs/ Canti bosses.I’m thinking $950( which includes shipping) or trade for 
a Clem.   For some reason I can’t figure out how to post some pics but have 
them if you’re interested.Thank you!-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell Tenet Set to Hit the Mainstream?

[William deRosset]

Hi, All,

I forgot to add: that said, I ran to work this morning in a wool t-shirt, 
socks, and underwear. My work togs all week include hard-finish wool overshirts 
and wool slacks, which get washed maybe three times a year.

 And the wash fills up with the odd cotton bits long before the wool knits  
pick themselves up and wander off of the "worn, but not yet dirty" pile to the 
wash basket.

Synthetics last effectively forever, and smell of, well, me, after a few 
hours's use. Even the silver-treated "antibacterial" ones.

Wool is a good material.

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell Tenet Set to Hit the Mainstream?

[William deRosset]

Dear John,

The short answer is yes, wool is more expensive. It also is harder to work with 
than most synthetics in my amateur experience.

It is harder to source if you care about getting the knit/weave just so. 
Critters eat it. It felts unless chemically treated. It shrinks. You can't 
easily print giant logos on it. 

It is worth it, though. And washing wool on the gentle cycle in cold water is 
just fine, as long as the garment can be reblocked and didn't require a lot of 
hand fitting work (good hand-tailored suits will likely require reconstruction 
if washed vs an engineered fit suit).

Cheers,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Seeking Rivendell owner in Austin, TX

[Eric Daume]

I’m 6’3” and I was happy with the fit of my just-sold 59cm Clem H.

Eric

On Friday, June 7, 2019, Matthew S.  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I'm looking to purchase a Clem Smith JR. complete in the near future and
> am curious if there are any Rivendell riders in Austin, TX who would be
> willing to let me test ride. I am 6'3" and assume the 59cm model would fit
> me, but I'd like to confirm before ordering the bike.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

[Daniel D.]

Sums up my thoughts on this kind of topic in a much more articulate manner.  I 
might have to steal it : pick.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:33:21 AM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
> These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture.  The purported paucity 
> of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial phenomenon.  Race is 
> genetic and affects physical characteristics, culture is learned.  We're not 
> born cyclists, we have to learn it.  
> 
> 
> So there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
> have other things.  Their things aren't my things, and they're not trying to 
> get me involved in their things because they're their things and they don't 
> care that they're not my things, too.  Sociology PhD's working for 
> universities can get grant money to study these kinds of disparities and 
> publish the results and we can all read 'em with interest, but it doesn't 
> change the fact that different cultures gravitate to different things, and 
> there's nothing wrong with it.  It's just the way it is, and it's interesting 
> to know it and acknowledge it, but there's no need to "fix" it.  I know this 
> bothers Grant (there's my Riv content!), and he can have his issue with it 
> but I don't share his concern.  I'm not offended by his concern over it and I 
> don't think any less of him for it.  
> 
> 
> When I lived in California in the 90's I learned that 90% of the donut shops 
> in that state were owned by Cambodians.  Almost all of the women working in 
> manicure shops are from Vietnam.  Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few 
> hockey players, race car drivers, or professional golfers are.  In the 
> absence of limits, a large fraction of the students at top-tier US 
> universities are Asian.  These concentrations are way out of whack with the 
> groups' representation in the general population.  Why is it like that?  
> 'Cause it is, that's why, and it's fine.  Nobody's being shut out, except 
> maybe the non-Asians who can't get into the supposed "elite" universities 
> 'cause too many slots are taken up by the Asians, but the Asians get those 
> slots because they've earned them through hard work, which is a cultural 
> advantage they have over whites and blacks and Hispanics.  
> 
> 
> Really, there's much ado about nothing here.  Like Patrick, I've been kinda 
> fascinated by the concentration of certain races and nationalities in certain 
> professions ever since I learned about those California Cambodians---but as 
> an observer, not as someone who thinks it's evidence of something we need to 
> fix.   
> 
> 
> Finally, there's nothing wrong or offensive about Patrick's post.  What flows 
> to the keyboard starts in the mind, and Patrick doesn't think in a way that 
> would let him post something offensive.  Sochill.  No need for anyone to 
> get their panties in a twist over this.  
> 
> 
> Dave
> Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rivendell owner in Austin, TX

[Reid Echols]

Hi Matthew, 

If you came to coffee outside (follow @coffeoutsideatx on instagram for 
times and places) on a Friday morning, odds are you'd meet someone with a 
59 Clem. I'm often there with my 62 Appaloosa, and there are a few other 
Riv riders who attend fairly regularly. Having ridden the 59 Clem here in 
town (and owned a 65 Clem for a while), I'd imagine the fit will be just 
fine. I'm 6 ' 4" and the 65 Clem was on the big side. 

Hope to see you out there sometime, 

Reid in Austin 



On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 12:11:55 PM UTC-5, Matthew S. wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> I'm looking to purchase a Clem Smith JR. complete in the near future and 
> am curious if there are any Rivendell riders in Austin, TX who would be 
> willing to let me test ride. I am 6'3" and assume the 59cm model would fit 
> me, but I'd like to confirm before ordering the bike. 
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] (Admin Admission) Too much coffee... too much editing... (Accidentally dumped the queue this AM)

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Hey there - 

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[RBW] Seeking Rivendell owner in Austin, TX

[Matthew S.]

Hi everyone,
I'm looking to purchase a Clem Smith JR. complete in the near future and am 
curious if there are any Rivendell riders in Austin, TX who would be 
willing to let me test ride. I am 6'3" and assume the 59cm model would fit 
me, but I'd like to confirm before ordering the bike. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: WTT: New Brooks B17 for B67

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Trade Found Thanks

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 7:33:42 AM UTC-7, Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
> I have a B67 I could trade. Sent you email.
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 12:16:05 AM UTC-4, gabriel luke thompson 
> aspinwall wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested, can email @ gabeLukE(at)gmail
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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[RBW] PSA Romulus

[maxcr]

Ah! I forgot the link. Here you go:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223544664930

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[RBW] Re: Black cyclists

[eddietheflay]

Hello Patrick,

No harm, no foul. Of course I can be and am open to the conversation. It 
struck me as putting microscope on something that for me seemed to separate 
rather than bring together. Not you doing that necessarily but the article 
focused on the club's blackness.

I prefer the lens to use being this simple sentence from the article:

“We were just a bunch of guys who knew one another and we started riding,”

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 9:05:00 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> I anticipate that some people may find this controversial, but I'll bet 
> they aren't black. I have no compunctions about my interest in black 
> cyclists and in black African culture generally, so hoping the interest 
> will outweigh the sensitivity:
>
> Black people seem to be relatively few in cycling; I say "seem" -- the 
> reality may be different.
> At any rate, this is an interesting article: 
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/nyregion/black-cyclists-red-caps-brooklyn.html
>
> I sometimes come across news of cycling in Kenya and other parts of 
> Africa; I recall a feature about the history of cycling in -- was it Rwanda 
> or was it Burundi? But a history going back decades and continuing despite 
> the vicissitudes of war and politics. 
>
> There's a off-and-on-and-mostly-off blog, She Cycles Nairobi, that has 
> some interesting bits. 
>
> Patrick Moore, who cut his cycling teeth on the hilly roads around Nairobi 
> in the '60s and '70s.
>
> ... Not to mention Peter Tosh and his unicycle (and the best ever version 
> of Johnny B Goode) ...
>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
> Other professional writing services
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>
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[RBW] Re: WTT: New Brooks B17 for B67

[Arthur Mayfield]

I have a B67 I could trade. Sent you email.

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> Anyone interested, can email @ gabeLukE(at)gmail
>
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] PSA Romulus

[Joe Bernard]

Ebay

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[RBW] PSA Romulus

[Bill Lindsay]

Very provocative. Where is it? Craigslist?  eBay?

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: New Brooks B17 for B67

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Hah, I have a b17 I bought new of the list. It’s brand new but looks kinda
old stock. But I’d like to trade it with someone for a b67 with the springs.

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> So you have a B17 and you want a B67, or do you have a B67 and want a
> B17?  Or do you simply want the thrill of a deal and either is okay?
>
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[RBW] PSA Romulus

[maxcr]

No affiliation, but looks like a good deal for a canti-Romulus... it’s my size 
but I don’t need another bike.

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell Tenet Set to Hit the Mainstream?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It just seems to me wool priced it itself out of contention since the mid 
1980's.  The synthetics seem to be just as good, wash easily (don't use Cl 
beach) and cotton is everywhere.  Just a simple observation over the years.

A few folks in the local club came back from 2 weeks in Scotland and was 
amazed at the number of sheep everywhere, but saying the local complained 
the wool was not in demand.  Are the production costs to gather the wool 
extremely high compared to other fabrics?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 7:15:55 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
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>
> Wool. Breaking out of its "niche" via "sustainability?" Shepherding could 
> be a good career path. Or seaweed gatherer.
>
>
> https://www.fastcompany.com/90359188/the-next-big-thing-in-fashion-not-washing-your-clothes
>
> I've always washed my "Dry Clean Only" wool stuff (except suits) after a 
> suitable number of wearings. Cool water, no dryer. 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture.  The purported 
paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial 
phenomenon.  Race is genetic and affects physical characteristics, culture 
is learned.  We're not born cyclists, we have to learn it.  

So there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
have other things.  Their things aren't my things, and they're not trying 
to get me involved in their things because they're their things and they 
don't care that they're not my things, too.  Sociology PhD's working for 
universities can get grant money to study these kinds of disparities and 
publish the results and we can all read 'em with interest, but it doesn't 
change the fact that different cultures gravitate to different things, and 
there's nothing wrong with it.  It's just the way it is, and it's 
interesting to know it and acknowledge it, but there's no need to "fix" it. 
 I know this bothers Grant (there's my Riv content!), and he can have his 
issue with it but I don't share his concern.  I'm not offended by his 
concern over it and I don't think any less of him for it.  

When I lived in California in the 90's I learned that 90% of the donut 
shops in that state were owned by Cambodians.  Almost all of the women 
working in manicure shops are from Vietnam.  Most NBA and NFL players are 
black, but few hockey players, race car drivers, or professional golfers 
are.  In the absence of limits, a large fraction of the students at 
top-tier US universities are Asian.  These concentrations are way out of 
whack with the groups' representation in the general population.  Why is it 
like that?  'Cause it is, that's why, and it's fine.  Nobody's being shut 
out, except maybe the non-Asians who can't get into the supposed "elite" 
universities 'cause too many slots are taken up by the Asians, but the 
Asians get those slots because they've earned them through hard work, which 
is a *cultural* advantage they have over whites and blacks and Hispanics.  

Really, there's much ado about nothing here.  Like Patrick, I've been kinda 
fascinated by the concentration of certain races and nationalities in 
certain professions ever since I learned about those California 
Cambodians---but as an observer, not as someone who thinks it's evidence of 
something we need to fix.   

Finally, there's nothing wrong or offensive about Patrick's post.  What 
flows to the keyboard starts in the mind, and Patrick doesn't *think* in a 
way that would let him post something offensive.  Sochill.  No need for 
anyone to get their panties in a twist over this.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Another Rivendell Tenet Set to Hit the Mainstream?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wool. Breaking out of its "niche" via "sustainability?" Shepherding could 
be a good career path. Or seaweed gatherer.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90359188/the-next-big-thing-in-fashion-not-washing-your-clothes

I've always washed my "Dry Clean Only" wool stuff (except suits) after a 
suitable number of wearings. Cool water, no dryer. 




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[RBW] Re: WTT: New Brooks B17 for B67

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So you have a B17 and you want a B67, or do you have a B67 and want a B17? 
 Or do you simply want the thrill of a deal and either is okay?

Dave

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