[RBW] Re: Black cyclists

[Wilson Wilson]

I made a long winded response which deleted verses posted. Here is the short 
version. I have found this amusing to read. Historically, when there are people 
who are viewed as " in need" those making issue are White. The mindset comes 
from the years of good and bad experience. There is a study which I am going to 
paraphrase as " we do not need your help". What it points out is the lack of 
exposure to a number of USA norms unequally distributed due to not just 
specifically race, but statistics.   

To Steve, who keeps raving on about the cyclist of the DMV, those cyclist are 
mentally stuck in the Lance Armstrong age of cycling. That every moment on the 
bike is competition mindset. Their volumes at events in the surrounding area is 
about rewards, not just getting out to ride. My opinion, yeah sure- try sitting 
in on one of their group rides. I log hours of miles annually. I have invited 
those who head that group in SoMD to ride with me at distance, somewhere 
unfamiliar, during bad weather, or off road. They all run hide. Also, the 
exclusive "Afro centric" nature of cycling together is not appealing to me. I 
feel for the woman of color who find interest in cycling in the area. They can 
be seen riding with a similar ignorant confidence. What is the largest danger 
is the lack of education to the real bike and vehicular laws. The bike shop in 
Waldorf has gone leaps and bounds to treat anyone who walks in the door without 
pause for years. I gained respect for cycling thanks to the folks who worked 
there years ago. Now that place is its own thing. The other stores with the 
same name throughout the DMV are terrible to women and minorities. I have had 
long talks and emails with the supposed powers of the brand. I live on my bike 
traveling around the USA alone from highways to sliding around cliffs. I am an 
oddity in itself who travels without a laptop or cell phone, but uses paper 
maps and bad directions to get around. I am no ones marketing focus whether my 
skin is fair or not. 

Interestingly, the latest Specialized video focusing on the lack diversity is 
thought to be cosidered timely. I think the truth is people who have been 
excluded from their sales have not forgotten the American business face 
historically. The cool trend I have seen is the bike shop near ethnic impacted 
areas have stopped selling low quality brands or brand models such as Mongoose, 
Jamis, Giant (I know), Trek Commuter line, Scott, Raleigh and similar. Many 
have switched to provide bikes like Salsa, Ridley, Ibis, KTM (yeah yeah, I 
know), Pinnenaro(sp), Cannondale higher models, Yeti, Fairdale (leaps nicer 
than Electra). No one I know would "buy" anything from Specialized, Surly, or 
Trek. There is no way I would buy a bike from REI Co-op brand knowing the real 
cost/quality value of those bikes. 

This year I have plotted out to participate in cycling events versus showing up 
as a volunteer Which even then I am still the lone Black guy. Here are my 
personal experences thus far this year. Each event goes like this sort of. I 
show up early or on time on the bike I will ride in the event. Drop my gear. I 
try speaking to folks with a general greeting, which is normally not met with a 
respones. I wait for the start almost like everyone else. I sometimes make 
something to eat and offer. I am always eating. If I am lucky someone 
recognizes me from being elsewhere years or days ago riding. Then I have that 
ice breaker. After the event, people who have seen me participating have no 
doubt heard that I possibly had ridden  three hundred plus miles just to ride 
sixty at the event. Then I at the least get a hello. 



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[RBW] #ClemWaiting

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I missed that you typed “L”, so disregard my questions about what bike you got. 
This will teach to me read and writes posts on dog walks! But you can tell us 
here what you plan to use your Clem for and how it will be set up. 

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[RBW] #ClemWaiting

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I can’t believe this thread doesn’t have a whole a lot of replies! My 
brother-in-law has a Clementine that my sister has stolen from him. He put up 
resistance at first, but he usually takes his motorized scooter to work, so he 
gave in and let her ride his bike. His Clem has become hers for weeks now. 
However, when I showed her the chameleon green Clementines from Riv’s website, 
she was wrecked. She really loved the bike in that bronze green color.  My BIL 
ordered her one as a surprise for their 11th anniversary! I may have possibly 
planted the idea in his head after I read the email saying there were only four 
left of chameleon green Clementines in my sister’s size. We are ending up with 
an obscene amount of Clems in my family. 

Which bike did you order?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 63cm MUSA A. Homer Hilsen frameset

[Bill Lindsay]

Bump and a reduction.  The wheelset that had been part of a package deal 
has been sold separately.  So I can now offer the frame/fork/headset/BB for 
$1100 plus shipping.  

63cm Brown MUSA A Homer Hilsen

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 1:29:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I sometimes talk about my dear friend Doug. Doug and I met when we were 
> both working at Square Wheel when I first came to Berkeley in 1987.  
> Subsequently, Doug's path has taken him around the world, literally.  He's 
> the executive VP of coffee at Peet's.  
>
> Doug bought this complete 63cm A. Homer Hilsen complete, off the rack at 
> Riv HQ in 2011.  The coffee-brown non-stock color sitting there on the rack 
> just felt like serendipity.  He's used it mainly as a commuter but also as 
> his main 'road bike'.  He's loved the bike, fit-wise, function-wise, 
> comfort-wise, but he has gone N+2.  He bought a perfect Bill Lindsay-built 
> Ebisu as his new road bike, a contemporary mountain bike, and he's shopping 
> for a belt drive IGH commuter.  The very versatile Hilsen is getting 
> replaced with three other bikes.  So now this unique and beautiful MUSA can 
> be yours.  
>
> It's a 63cm MUSA (Waterford) A Homer Hilsen frame-fork-headset-BB, as 
> pictured.  Geometry matching the 63 size on the Riv Geo Chart for the "Old 
> MUSA Hilsen".  The Riv sizing chart puts you on a 63 Hilsen at 90-91 PBH 
> and 79-80 Saddle Height.  
>
> I'd rather do a local Bay Area pickup, if at all possible, but can and 
> will ship if needed.  $1300 picked up.  If I'm shipping, I'll just charge 
> you what bikeflights charges me for shipping and insurance.  PM me with any 
> questions.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] WTB: 52 Clem L or 45 Clem H

[Johnny Alien]

I wanted to narrow down my broad search to a Clem style.  Technically based 
on my size I should be on a 52 frame but the standover is huge on that 52 
H.  I had a 52 Hillborne and it was at the top of what I liked size wise 
with standover and the 52 Clem H is even higher.  So even though I prefer 
the H I think I am leaning toward a L because I could get the 52 which is 
probably a better overall fit but not have to worry about SO.  That said I 
would do a 45 H if that's whats around.

I don't need a saddle, seatpost or pedals but will take any other level of 
frame to complete depending on what you want to sell.

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[RBW] WTB: Clem H 45 CM

[Johnny Alien]

I decided that I was going to narrow my broad search down to one.  So what 
I am looking for is a Clem H in size 45.  Color doesn't matter. I don't 
need a saddle, seatpost or pedals but will gladly take anything else or a 
frame if that's what you have and the price is right!  Someone here can 
hook me up I am sure.

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[RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[phil k]

I sure do remember it! A beautiful one!

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 8:48:25 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey, remember this? Yeah, I gotta sell it. My increasingly painful right 
> wrist which kept decreasing my ride time has been diagnosed as 
> arthritis..I've purchased a Crank Forward bike so I can keep riding. I 
> spent a ton of cash on this at Analog Cycles a few months ago so it won't 
> be cheap, but less than I have in it. 
>
> MIT Atlantis frame 53cm, blackout treatment for parts. 
> White Ind. MI5 rear hub, SON dynohub, Sapim black spokes, gold nipples, 
> Cliffhanger rims, Simworks The Homage 650B x 43 tubeless tires 
> Simworks by Honjo fenders
>
> Black Mark's Rack, Herrmans H-Black Pro headlight, B taillight (both 
> dyno) 
> Cane Creak 110 headset
> Origin8 stem, Jones Loop 710 bars
> Ritchey post
> Sugino double crank set up as 1x 36t
> Paul Chainkeeper
> Microshift Advent 9-speed derailer, shifter, 11-42 cassette, Wipperman 
> nickel chain
> Bombshell black/gold v-brakes, Shimano levers
> Paul gold w/ black inserts skewers
> Black Nitto cage
>
> I also have a just shipped blacked out Nitto Big Rack from Analog, haven't 
> installed, not included in this price but we can talk. Bike currently has 
> only the front rack. 
> No saddle or pedals.
>
> Yes, it's gorgeous, and it's deeply painful that I can't ride it but it's 
> literally too painful to do so...age and my family's history with arthritis 
> have caught up to me. 
>
> $3300 plus Bicycle Odyssey packing (they're good) and Bike Flights 
> shipping 
> Email or text for more pics, chit-chat and whatnot
> 415 786 4623
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse rene crankset ultegra chains?

[Bill Lindsay]

That indeed is my recommendation, particularly with friction shifting.  Use 
the chain you like, and I suspect it will be perfecto for you.

Bill

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> So I would be getting the 7-8-9 speed version of the Rene Herse crank. As 
> I said, I am happily friction shifting 8 speed. But I might consider trying 
> 9 speed with an Ultegra chain if the "special" Ultegra 9 speed chain was 
> going to magically interact with the Rene Herse crank in a way that would 
> not happen with a generic and mundane 8 speed chain. It sounds like there 
> is no such magic, so I will probably just stick with 8 speed.
>
> Doug
>
> On 6/13/19 8:54 AM, Doug Williams wrote: 
>> > Hi all, 
>> > 
>> > I'm considering a Rene Herse crankset for my Homer but I'm a little 
>> > confused on when you must (should) use an Ultegra chain on Rene Herse 
>> > cranksets. Clearly recommended by Jan for 11 speed, I get that. 10 
>> > speed also, I think. But what about for 8 or 9 speed? Must you use an 
>> > Ultegra chain on a 9 speed in order to get the advantage of the Herse 
>> > ramps and pins? What about 8 speed? I don't even see an "Ultegra" 
>> > chain for 8 speed, which is what I am currently (and happily) friction 
>> > shifting on my Homer. Would chain brand matter at all for Rene Herse 
>> > cranksets with 8 or 9 speed setups? 
>> > 
>>
>> Jan's recommendation of the Ultegra chain is not confined solely to the 
>> 11 speed rings with ramps and pins.  10 and below rings do not have 
>> ramps and pins.  They're not "straight cut" but aren't ramped and 
>> pinned.  I've got a Herse triple and I'm running 10.  I got an Ultegra 
>> 10 chain on his recommendation, and all I can say is it shifts fine and 
>> isn't too expensive even with the extra cost of a Wippermann link (no 
>> stupid Shimano break-off pins for me, thanks). 
>>
>> 8 speed chains are pretty cheap, so how much harm could you get into if 
>> you got a SRAM 8 speed chain and tried it? 
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve Palincsar 
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[Joe Bernard]

That's the one! I'll have my signature "joe" on the downtube like the Appaloosa 


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[sameness]

You mean the forthcoming Jöe "Wrists" St. Bernard? 16" wheels, clearance 
for 3.5" tires, dual drum brakes if I'm reading this drawing right.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 10:50:24 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey, do ya think I could talk Grant into doing a fillet brazed custom 
> version?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[Joe Bernard]

The sizing recs on the new MIT versions of old frames are definitely a little 
confusing. I didn't really deal with that because this particular bike was 
offered as a hardly ridden demo from Analog Cycles; all I had to do was check 
the toptube length (I know I can step over a 53 frame) and confirm I could 
reach the bars. Yep!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks, Stems, Compass Tires, MKS Sneaker Pedals, mudflaps

[Brett Callahan]

It has been observed that I'm asking for $30 for the sneaker pedals and Riv 
sells them for that. Let's say $20 shipped? 

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 10:13:18 AM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Cross posted to iBOB Group. 
>
>
> Hi all, looking to clean out some seldom used stuff. All prices include 
> shipping.  I'll be able to send out Monday-Weds of next week.  PayPal F+F 
> or cash app, please. If you're local to Portland and want to pickup I'll 
> knock a few bucks off. 
>
>
> If you're interested but think my pricing is off, let me know. I've tried 
> to price fairly but I'm certainly open to offers. 
>
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9NAZDfRjRNMSzeUH6
>
>
> 1)  Sackville Medium Blue Saddle Sack--$200
> Good condition. Used for a few months of commutes and a couple 
> overnights.  Top notch quality, but I've discovered I prefer to use a 
> traditionally shaped saddlebag.  Mild rub marks on the underside of bag 
> from where a tire bumped it.   Includes post strap (not pictured).  Does 
> not include the tool bag Riv used to sell these with.  Several small 
> pinholes where I had buttons on the right side of the flap--see photos. 
>
>
> 2)  Sackville small tan saddleback --$135
> Excellent condition.  Few smudges where it rested against seat post but 
> otherwise like new. The Rivelo patch is sewed on with fine thread and could 
> be removed.  
>
>
> 3)  Stems: ITM millennium stems--$25 each. 
>
> Nice lightweight threadless stems for roadish builds.  Lengths 
> 130/120/110.  All 80 degree.  All in great shape.  Two longer stems include 
> original boxes.  (See photos) $25 each. 
>
>
> 4)  MKS Sneaker Pedals --$30 
> Great shape.  About 5 years old but came in a lightly used Riv demo model. 
> I replaced with grip kings, but I know a lot of folks love these. 
>
>
> 5)  Portland Design Works fender flaps--$20. 
>
> New in package. "Road" version.  I was going to put these on a bike with 
> 50mm fenders and 38 mm tires but they look a little narros. Would look 
> great on a bike with narrowish (sub 35 mm) tires. 
>
>
> 6)  Compass Snoqualmie Pass--$75 for the pair.  
>
> I do not have photos of these yet but can take some on request. These were 
> purchased in 2017 but used for only about 4 months before I replaced them, 
> so tons of life left.  Gumwalls are a little dirty from Portland roads.  
> Worth noting that these looked a little thinner than labeled (700 x 44) on 
> my Velocity Dyad rims. I did not measure with calipers and they are no 
> longer mounted.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brett in PDX
>

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[RBW] FS: Saddlesacks, Stems, Compass Tires, MKS Sneaker Pedals, mudflaps

[Brett Callahan]

Cross posted to iBOB Group. 


Hi all, looking to clean out some seldom used stuff. All prices include 
shipping.  I'll be able to send out Monday-Weds of next week.  PayPal F+F 
or cash app, please. If you're local to Portland and want to pickup I'll 
knock a few bucks off. 


If you're interested but think my pricing is off, let me know. I've tried 
to price fairly but I'm certainly open to offers. 


Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9NAZDfRjRNMSzeUH6


1)  Sackville Medium Blue Saddle Sack--$200
Good condition. Used for a few months of commutes and a couple overnights.  
Top notch quality, but I've discovered I prefer to use a traditionally 
shaped saddlebag.  Mild rub marks on the underside of bag from where a tire 
bumped it.   Includes post strap (not pictured).  Does not include the tool 
bag Riv used to sell these with.  Several small pinholes where I had 
buttons on the right side of the flap--see photos. 


2)  Sackville small tan saddleback --$135
Excellent condition.  Few smudges where it rested against seat post but 
otherwise like new. The Rivelo patch is sewed on with fine thread and could 
be removed.  


3)  Stems: ITM millennium stems--$25 each. 

Nice lightweight threadless stems for roadish builds.  Lengths 
130/120/110.  All 80 degree.  All in great shape.  Two longer stems include 
original boxes.  (See photos) $25 each. 


4)  MKS Sneaker Pedals --$30 
Great shape.  About 5 years old but came in a lightly used Riv demo model. 
I replaced with grip kings, but I know a lot of folks love these. 


5)  Portland Design Works fender flaps--$20. 

New in package. "Road" version.  I was going to put these on a bike with 
50mm fenders and 38 mm tires but they look a little narros. Would look 
great on a bike with narrowish (sub 35 mm) tires. 


6)  Compass Snoqualmie Pass--$75 for the pair.  

I do not have photos of these yet but can take some on request. These were 
purchased in 2017 but used for only about 4 months before I replaced them, 
so tons of life left.  Gumwalls are a little dirty from Portland roads.  
Worth noting that these looked a little thinner than labeled (700 x 44) on 
my Velocity Dyad rims. I did not measure with calipers and they are no 
longer mounted.


Thanks,


Brett in PDX

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse rene crankset ultegra chains?

[Doug Williams]

So I would be getting the 7-8-9 speed version of the Rene Herse crank. As I 
said, I am happily friction shifting 8 speed. But I might consider trying 9 
speed with an Ultegra chain if the "special" Ultegra 9 speed chain was 
going to magically interact with the Rene Herse crank in a way that would 
not happen with a generic and mundane 8 speed chain. It sounds like there 
is no such magic, so I will probably just stick with 8 speed.

Doug

On 6/13/19 8:54 AM, Doug Williams wrote: 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > I'm considering a Rene Herse crankset for my Homer but I'm a little 
> > confused on when you must (should) use an Ultegra chain on Rene Herse 
> > cranksets. Clearly recommended by Jan for 11 speed, I get that. 10 
> > speed also, I think. But what about for 8 or 9 speed? Must you use an 
> > Ultegra chain on a 9 speed in order to get the advantage of the Herse 
> > ramps and pins? What about 8 speed? I don't even see an "Ultegra" 
> > chain for 8 speed, which is what I am currently (and happily) friction 
> > shifting on my Homer. Would chain brand matter at all for Rene Herse 
> > cranksets with 8 or 9 speed setups? 
> > 
>
> Jan's recommendation of the Ultegra chain is not confined solely to the 
> 11 speed rings with ramps and pins.  10 and below rings do not have 
> ramps and pins.  They're not "straight cut" but aren't ramped and 
> pinned.  I've got a Herse triple and I'm running 10.  I got an Ultegra 
> 10 chain on his recommendation, and all I can say is it shifts fine and 
> isn't too expensive even with the extra cost of a Wippermann link (no 
> stupid Shimano break-off pins for me, thanks). 
>
> 8 speed chains are pretty cheap, so how much harm could you get into if 
> you got a SRAM 8 speed chain and tried it? 
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[dougP]

"I'm a little mystified by Riv's PBH chart for this frame "

I just took a look at both the new & old sizing charts.  On the old one, 
they used PBH, but it's not on the new one.  The closest dimension is 
stand-over height.  I'm 5'10" with an 84 cm PBH.  On the old sizing chart, 
I could ride either a 56 or 58 Atlantis.  I have a 58 that fits well.  When 
I visited Rivendell & took a test ride on the new Atlantis, they asked my 
saddle height (29" = 73.66 cm), set up a bike & sent me on my way.  The fit 
was so close to my 58 that I didn't realize it was a 53 until I returned & 
asked (assuming it was a 56).  So there is quite a difference between "new" 
sizing & "old".

Maybe you take your PBH & subtract a couple of centimeters for clearance to 
choose a standover height?  

dougP



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> I'm putting this out there for any potential buyers, not to try to talk 
> you specifically into snagging it:
>
> I'm a little mystified by Riv's PBH chart for this frame and don't agree 
> with it. Unless they envision this as a touring bike with drops, it just 
> doesn't make sense. I'm 5'-7", 79-80 PBH, and I definitely need a 53 MIT 
> Atlantis to run any kind of flat or pullback bar. And I have enough 
> standover clearance for road/gravel/fire road. So there ya go.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[John McBurney]

It’s an amazing build. I know a young woman with a 78 PBH who left teaching
after a really bad experience and now works at the local non profit bike
shop who it would be perfect for but it’s way outside her price range.

John
Greenville



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> Thanks Jonathan. Yes, it's an unbelievable drag that I can't ride it, I
> invested serious cash to get such a nice build on a Riv I've always
> admired. But whaddyagonnado?
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:30 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
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>> Is anyone running a 53 with drops who has a 85 PBH?  ISorry Joe that you
>> have to sell.  I know you loved this bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[Joseph Bernard]

Thanks Jonathan. Yes, it's an unbelievable drag that I can't ride it, I
invested serious cash to get such a nice build on a Riv I've always
admired. But whaddyagonnado?

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> have to sell.  I know you loved this bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[Jonathan D.]

Is anyone running a 53 with drops who has a 85 PBH?  ISorry Joe that you have 
to sell.  I know you loved this bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MIT Atlantis 53cm

[Joe Bernard]

I'm putting this out there for any potential buyers, not to try to talk you 
specifically into snagging it:

I'm a little mystified by Riv's PBH chart for this frame and don't agree with 
it. Unless they envision this as a touring bike with drops, it just doesn't 
make sense. I'm 5'-7", 79-80 PBH, and I definitely need a 53 MIT Atlantis to 
run any kind of flat or pullback bar. And I have enough standover clearance for 
road/gravel/fire road. So there ya go.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium wald basket, Outershell Adventure basket bag, Mark's Rack, Nitto lamp holder right side

[phil k]

Bump

Selling Mark's rack with extended struts (the extended strut is 
13-3/4inches from top to mounting hole). $105 shipped.



On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
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> Only Marks Rack left!
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[RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

My advice as a former shop owner is go tubes-in.  The last thing you want is a 
tubeless tire coming unseated at speed on a tandem.

(I also ride a hubbah)

My two cents

Alex in Rochester 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Tool Roll/Bag and Lone Peak Micro Rack Pack

[LeRoy]

And the Lone Peak bag is spoken for. Thanks to all who inquired.

LeRoy

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[RBW] Ride Report: Three Days, Three States, Three Countries

[Carla Waugh]

Patrick I tried your cold brew method and it was delicious. My adventure wasn’t 
extraordinary but the cold brew made it much more interesting.

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[RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You will not blow out a sidewall due to air pressure requirements of a tandem. 
Tires are tested well beyond stated maximum pressure, and you probably won't 
even hit that. 

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse rene crankset ultegra chains?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 6/13/19 8:54 AM, Doug Williams wrote:

Hi all,

I'm considering a Rene Herse crankset for my Homer but I'm a little 
confused on when you must (should) use an Ultegra chain on Rene Herse 
cranksets. Clearly recommended by Jan for 11 speed, I get that. 10 
speed also, I think. But what about for 8 or 9 speed? Must you use an 
Ultegra chain on a 9 speed in order to get the advantage of the Herse 
ramps and pins? What about 8 speed? I don't even see an "Ultegra" 
chain for 8 speed, which is what I am currently (and happily) friction 
shifting on my Homer. Would chain brand matter at all for Rene Herse 
cranksets with 8 or 9 speed setups?




Jan's recommendation of the Ultegra chain is not confined solely to the 
11 speed rings with ramps and pins.  10 and below rings do not have 
ramps and pins.  They're not "straight cut" but aren't ramped and 
pinned.  I've got a Herse triple and I'm running 10.  I got an Ultegra 
10 chain on his recommendation, and all I can say is it shifts fine and 
isn't too expensive even with the extra cost of a Wippermann link (no 
stupid Shimano break-off pins for me, thanks).


8 speed chains are pretty cheap, so how much harm could you get into if 
you got a SRAM 8 speed chain and tried it?


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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse rene crankset ultegra chains?

[Bill Lindsay]

It is my opinion that people are using the chain they want to use with 
their Rene Herse cranksets.  I use SRAM chains on my Rene Herse cranksets, 
usually 1071 and 1091, and I don't have anything negative to report about 
it.  If I had a problem and suspected it was the chain's fault, I maybe 
would try a Shimano chain.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:54:43 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm considering a Rene Herse crankset for my Homer but I'm a little 
> confused on when you must (should) use an Ultegra chain on Rene Herse 
> cranksets. Clearly recommended by Jan for 11 speed, I get that. 10 speed 
> also, I think. But what about for 8 or 9 speed? Must you use an Ultegra 
> chain on a 9 speed in order to get the advantage of the Herse ramps and 
> pins? What about 8 speed? I don't even see an "Ultegra" chain for 8 speed, 
> which is what I am currently (and happily) friction shifting on my Homer. 
> Would chain brand matter at all for Rene Herse cranksets with 8 or 9 speed 
> setups?
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Rene Herse rene crankset ultegra chains?

[Doug Williams]

Hi all,

I'm considering a Rene Herse crankset for my Homer but I'm a little 
confused on when you must (should) use an Ultegra chain on Rene Herse 
cranksets. Clearly recommended by Jan for 11 speed, I get that. 10 speed 
also, I think. But what about for 8 or 9 speed? Must you use an Ultegra 
chain on a 9 speed in order to get the advantage of the Herse ramps and 
pins? What about 8 speed? I don't even see an "Ultegra" chain for 8 speed, 
which is what I am currently (and happily) friction shifting on my Homer. 
Would chain brand matter at all for Rene Herse cranksets with 8 or 9 speed 
setups?

Doug

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