[RBW] Re: The Final Legolas

[Brian Campbell]

Here is a quick update:

I got things toghter and did a 7 mile shake down ride. WOW! What a fund 
ride! I am going to take it out tomorrow for a couple of hours 
consecutively to make syre everything is in good order and the tape the 
bars.

Build so far

Legolas Frame/fork built by Mark Nobilette
Tubes are a mix of Columbus Life and Columbus Zona.
I asked for the same color as the Rivendell Redwood model from days gone by.
Velocity A23 & Dura Ace "hubbed" wheels set 32/28
10 Speed 12-30 Cassette
10 Speed Ultegra, Long Cage RD
CX70 FD
CX70 Cantilever brakes
10 Speed Dura Ace Downtube shifters
Electra Ticino crank 170mm Arms
Sun XCD 46/30 rings
Rivendell 110mm Cup & Cone bottom bracket
Brooks B17 Special (Ti)
MIche seat post
Shimano SPD double sided pedals
FSA Headset
100mm Nitto (new Pear)l stem
42mm Nitto Noodles
TRP Levers
Velo Orange Cages

The bike with pedals, saddle and water bottle cages weighs 21.8 lbs 
(Digital hanging scale). The ride is quick, handling is quick and the paint 
has a fine, metallic finish that looks great in the sun. I waited 7 months 
for the frame and am grateful that I now have it to ride. I think its going 
to be a lot of fun!






















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[RBW] WTB: 46cm Appaloosa

[Joe Bernard]

They claim 30-35 miles if you don't stay in Full Assist the whole time, which 
seems about right to me. I've been doing shorter rides with it so can't verify 
this, but if I jam the power and go like heck I still have range left after 15 
miles. 

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[RBW] WTB: 46cm Appaloosa

[Howard Hatten]

What kind of range do you have joe?

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[RBW] WTB: 26" wheel Riv or similar

[Joe Bernard]

Ok, my reach-out for a 46cm Appaloosa landed with a thud, I don't think people 
are even clicking on it 'cause there's none out there. So let's try this:

I have a 26" Copenhagen (electric) Wheel I'd like to match up to an Appaloosa, 
Clem or basically anything else out there that fits the Riv vibe. Whatcha got? 
You can text me at 415 786 4623. 

Thanks!
Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[esoterica etc]

I second this idea. Grant is basically saying in the catalog comparing the Joe 
and the Atlantis that they’re essentially the same bike, just different wheel 
size (56cm and smaller). I was seriously considering a Joe for a long time, but 
then I built up a budget 650b conversion to see if I liked 650b better than 
700c, and ultimately got the 56cm Atlantis.  

Even if you could find a canti or v-brake that could adjust for the drop in 
wheel size, I think you’d be sacrificing a lot in ride quality. In my opinion, 
the designs of the current lineup from Rivendell are a result of decades of 
engineering refinement, and the less you mess with them, the better the ride 
will be. Sure, the bike will still roll if you put smaller wheels on it, but I 
doubt it’ll have that Riv magic feel any more. Sell the Joe and get an Atlantis 
is my vote as well. 

~Mark 



> On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:01, Jonathan D.  wrote:
> 
> Easiest solution is to sell the Joe and buy a MIT Atlantis, which is mostly a 
> 650B Joe. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Quarterlies - 35 of them - free [you pay postage] and a few Riv Readers

[M G]

OK - spoken for! 

On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4, M G wrote:
>
> Hi - approx 35 BQs, a few Riv Readers - i'm moving, and if you feel like 
> digging into a giant stack of planing or not planing & etc...DM me yr 
> address, i'll ship them, and you can venmo me the postage later.  And if 
> you feel like it, a few $$ to the Charlie Cunningham fund. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
> in the Berkshires
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Sam Hillborne $1,500 (black and cream)

[maxcr]

The sale fell through... I'm tempted to just keep it, but if someone is 
interested please PM me.
Max

On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 6:51:56 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone, bike is spoken for. Going to a good home in Portland.
> Max

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[RBW] WTB: 46cm Appaloosa

[Joe Bernard]

Per Ryan's question: I quite like my Copenhagen Wheel. It pops into a frame 
quite easily, and all the works are inside that giant red disk so there's no 
looking for a place to mount the battery and stringing wires and whatnot. It 
runs off an app on my phone, which is also pretty nifty. 

It's torque-sensing and somehow "learns" the way you ride - still not sure if I 
detect this - so it's much more of a cycling experience than the high-power 
cadence systems I've used. You push the pedals and the more effort you put in, 
the more virtual tailwind you receive. 

Its one massive (literally) drawback is putting all that weight including 
battery in the wheel. I haven't attempted a road side flat repair yet and don't 
look forward to it, the super awesome benefit of mid-drive kits is you get to 
keep your normal lightweight wheels. If you buy one of these things I highly 
recommend using one of those Schwalbes with all the fancy shmancy puncture 
protection. 

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Quarterlies - 35 of them - free [you pay postage] and a few Riv Readers

[M G]

[approx 2008 - 2019 / a few VBQs even.  I'm sure it's not a complete set, 
but pretty close]

On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4, M G wrote:
>
> Hi - approx 35 BQs, a few Riv Readers - i'm moving, and if you feel like 
> digging into a giant stack of planing or not planing & etc...DM me yr 
> address, i'll ship them, and you can venmo me the postage later.  And if 
> you feel like it, a few $$ to the Charlie Cunningham fund. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
> in the Berkshires
>

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[RBW] Bicycle Quarterlies - 35 of them - free [you pay postage] and a few Riv Readers

[M G]

Hi - approx 35 BQs, a few Riv Readers - i'm moving, and if you feel like 
digging into a giant stack of planing or not planing & etc...DM me yr 
address, i'll ship them, and you can venmo me the postage later.  And if 
you feel like it, a few $$ to the Charlie Cunningham fund. 

Thanks,

Ron
in the Berkshires

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[Jonathan D.]

Easiest solution is to sell the Joe and buy a MIT Atlantis, which is mostly a 
650B Joe. 

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[RBW] Re: "yoko" salmon brakepads?

[Marc Irwin]

It might just be me but I like the feel of the Yoko pads better than Kool 
Stop.  Kool Stop is easier to find but the Yoko pads are made with the 
original Matthauser formula which was bought and licensed by Scott.  I've 
always liked Matthauser pads and just stick with them.  I find the Yoko's 
on Amazon if nobody else has them in stock.

Marc

On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 1:36:29 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> have used both brands over the years and have never been able to detect 
> any performance difference between their salmon pads. both work well for 
> me. I am not a brake guy though.
>
> clayton Scott
> hbg, ca
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

[Patrick Moore]

Deacon Patrick: Glad to hear that you are all right. You behave yourself,
hear?

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[RBW] Re: A Few Photos From Saturday's Ride

[ascpgh]

Very nice ride report and pictures, I'm catching up on close looks and 
reads after a marathon work stint through last weekend and this week. In 
your riding around Utah do you have thorn troubles like PM's goatheads down 
in NM?

Images remind me of rides in the desert I took as a kid from my 
grandparents' home in the west valley of Phoenix. My grandfather had an 
English Raleigh with rack, fork lock and best of all, a bottle generator 
for its dim headlight and fender mounted tail light. I rode into the open 
desert, sometimes on dirt tracks, others on animal trails on that bike. I 
loved sneaking out on that bike, returning just as the adults' Canasta game 
was starting, my arrival at dark plus one not drawing attention. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:31:53 AM UTC-4, Robert Hakim wrote:
>
> Last Saturday I took a ramble from my home near Salt Lake City down valley 
> to Utah Lake. I reckon it was a bit over 50, perhaps even edging towards 60 
> miles in that hot high desert heat. 
>
> I tried to attach photos here, but I believe they were too large. You can 
> follow along here (or better yet skip my rambling and get to the goods!): 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YaWqzyDfqMZEqF3t6
>
>
> The route I took was quite nice and peppered with city parks and trail 
> heads with water taps- a saving grace in the 100*F sunshine- I must have 
> drank six to seven liters of water en route! It was mostly on a network of 
> connecting and sometimes patchy bike paths. The central part of the Jordan 
> River Trail runs just west of I-15 through a number of suburban towns that 
> fill the valley with their sprawl. I didn't take many photographs on the 
> first half of my journey, for I wanted to cover ground and avoid the riff 
> raff that tends to hang around the trail. Once I got farther south, the 
> path seems to run through more open spaces, where there are more snakes and 
> birds than humans- at least during midday in the summertime. 
>
>
>
>
> The lake ended up being a bit farther of a ride than I had anticipated, 
> but no worries- I had nothing to do but ride, and plenty of water en route. 
> One of my favorite sections of the trail ran from around South Jordan past 
> Riverton, through Bluffdale and stopped just shy of Lehi. That seemed to be 
> the stretch with the lowest population density and the highest 
> concentration of cottonwood and olive trees. The Jordan River Trail rolls 
> past a couple of open gravel pits before climbing up a small "pass" that 
> separates Utah County from Salt Lake County. Passing this point, the route 
> grew more suburban as I approached the mega-mall of Thanksgiving Point and 
> the Town of Lehi. Not to imply that the riding from here-on-out wasn't as 
> enjoyable, but I certainly didn't feel the brief solitude I did feel on the 
> last stretch. Now, I would be sharing the path with the occasional golf 
> cart through pop-up neighborhoods and oddly green golf courses. 
>
>
>
>
> Meandering on, I finally reached Utah Lake. Grateful to have reached my 
> destination, but wishing the shore (and the lake) was a bit more suitable 
> for a swim. The long, shallow,  muddy shore and long history of heavy 
> industry and mining adjacent to the lake kept me from taking a dip. 
>
> While I stopped for some shade and a beer I had carried, I really enjoyed 
> watching the birds float over this wetland. The wild-land/urban interface 
> is quite strong here, with habitats for young families, small farms, and 
> migratory species almost overlapping. It is a bit more open and a little 
> less crowded here than my neighborhood, and I can certainly see myself 
> returning to the shores of Utah lake for another ride in the near future. 
>
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>
>
> Time to begin heading home! I leave the sanctuary of the bike path and hop 
> onto some quiet- if not rural-feeling roads heading east to the town of 
> American Fork. Here, I plan to catch the train back to downtown Salt Lake 
> instead of retracing my route... But not before following a short farm 
> road  to a small beach for one more lake view.
>
> As I ride past willows as tall as me, I startle hundreds of birds hiding 
> nearby and they all seem to take flight at once! 
>
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>
>
> The ride through some modern neighborhoods and along the shore is 
> uneventful, save for one lifted diesel truck... It is Utah, after all! The 
> train station is conveniently located at the western edge of American Fork, 
> allowing for a low stress and low traffic arrival into the station. A 
> fifteen minute wait on the platform gives me time to reflect on my ride... 
> Certainly one of the most enjoyable I've had in a few weeks! I often lament 
> that the train doesn't run on Sundays here, I would love to take advantage 
> of their bike-friendly cars more often than I do. 
>
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>
> The only downside of arriving in downtown Salt Lake is that my ride home 
> is all up hill... getting steeper, and steeper until I finally arrive. 
> 

[RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

[ascpgh]

+1 "wondering the same thing".

The restful should expect nudges, it's validation.

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburgh

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Alive and kickin'! Just quietly. Grin. Thanks for pokin' me to see if I'm 
> still twitchin'. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> > Patrick hasn't posted for a while. Does anyone know his situation? Is he 
> well? 
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> > One of the other Patricks ("Moore") on the list 
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[Garth]

So you're considering modifying a potential 700c frame .* just to use a 
set of already-owned 650b wheels *?


Frankly, there's just no good way to spin a bad idea ! 





On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-4, Justin Wyne wrote:

*The inspiration for this swap is due to already having a 650b wheel set 
> and not yet having an Appaloosa.*
>
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[A. Nostuh]

I 650b’d my San Marcos. I went against the advice everyone gave and it was 
indeed better/awesome. The key is to use short/er cranks because as noted, the 
bb is already low. 165mm or shorter is ideal


Al in Saratoga 


Oh yeah, a frame builder can lower the canti studs for you

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