[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

I think Roadini was too close to other Rivs with more tire clearance and 
stronger canti/v-brakes. If you were looking at one it was hard not to just go 
with a Clem or one of the fully lugged bikes instead. A true TIG-ed Roadeo 
(read: level toptube, thin tubing) clone would sell better, IMO. 

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[RBW] Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think that every Rivendell bike can be elegantly electrified with a Red 
Copenhagen wheel.
I have ridden one on multiple occasions (miss you Amit) and feel that it 
provides the best of both worlds.  

That said their are so many different e-bikes on the market currently that it 
is hard to compare apples to apples when discussing pros and cons of each.

Joe excited to see how you like the Copenhagen conversion compared to your 
previous Riv e-bike experimentations.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[John G.]

Yeah, I was disheartened to hear that the Roadini didn't sell very well. I 
think everyone should have zippy but comfy 32mm tire road bike in their 
stable, and the Roadini seems to fit the bill. I wonder if people talked 
themselves out of buying because of the sloping top tube or the perceived 
stoutness of the tubing. I can't fault anyone for preferring different 
aesthetics--after all, that's one of things that drove my to Rivendell. But 
it's too bad when aesthetic preferences get in the way of a great, 
affordable bike.

I do hope they take another crack at a "more affordable than a Roadeo" road 
bike in the future. I love my Roadeo, but I understand the price puts it 
out of reach for some.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:28:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Rob Kristoff asked:
>
> Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?
>
>
> Yes, it was meant to be the road version of a Clem and it successfully was 
> that, in my opinion and experience. I think Rivendell miscalculated what 
> many people want. Many people want a cheap racing bike. The Roadini was a 
> smart civilized affordable road bike. Many people want to buy a bike that 
> looks like a racing bike, and those people in general didn't think the Leo 
> Roadini looked enough like a bike intended for racing. Who cares if it is 
> just as fast and more comfortable? The roadies on my club ride make fun of 
> it because it looks weird.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] PSA: 55 Bleriot deal near Cleveland

[maxcr]

Someone local should snag this - $390!

I have no connection to the seller.

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/bik/d/mentor-rivendell-bleriot-frameset/6954232642.html

This 55cm Rivendell Bleriot frameset had been built up and used as a cruiser 
style bicycle. The frameset features an upgraded Rivendell Saluki fork, a 
tange/ levin headset, nitto technomic stem, a rear rack, and Tektro R556 long 
pull brakes. The frame is used and has some scratches and paint 
imperfections...one tube, near the "e" on the Bleriot name has a dent that does 
not effect the frame performance. I attempted to emphasize the imperfections in 
the pictures. The general frame appearance is quite good, but if you are 
looking for a perfect frame this is not for you.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

I agree with Grant here that any object with a 750-watt motor is not a 
bike, even with an "e" in the front. I'm not making a judgement about their 
merits, just saying they are more related to scooters, mopeds and small 
motorcycles than to two-wheeled human-powered vehicles, aka bikes or 
bicycles. I think the taxonomy is important. But I concede that the battle 
was over before it began. Carry on.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Not to get too far OT, Joe I hear what you are saying, but it goes beyond 
> cleaness of the build. Love my Clementine, but if I was to attach the 
> 750watt motor off my Rad Power, no doubt it would be too much! Other things 
> just make it impossible to consider a conversion over a dedicated Ebike. 
> When regularly hauling me down from 20 to 25 mph, especially with the extra 
> heft of the motor & battery, the disk brakes are indispensable. Integrated 
> head, tail & brake lights. Cadence sensors, regenerative braking, etc. All 
> contribute to the overall experience and safety. 
> I seriously considered getting a conversion for my Clementine, but when 
> you consider what you get for less than $2k with Rad Power, it's hard to 
> justify doing anything else.

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[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Drw]

I think 700-1000$ is a fair range for f/f/headset. I think I paid 800 for a not 
pristine Toyo Atlantis with a couple extra parts (bb, seatpost, brakes maybe) 
and felt happy with the price. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ray Shine]

Yes, I agree.  Large selection these days, as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:08 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I've got an E-bike & seeing as the whole bike cost about the same as my 
> Clementine; there's hardly reason enough to buy a Rivendell and electrify it; 
> cheaper just to buy a complete Ebike. It will work better then a converted 
> bike as well. 
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[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[John Aydelotte]

Thanks for the input.  It's completely stripped down as of this afternoon.  
I'm leaving the headset in (Shimano Ultegra) as it turns very smoothly and 
there is no play, and I won't have to take it to a shop to remove it.  

I'll clean it up tomorrow afternoon, and hopefully have pictures by the 
weekend.

Thanks, everybody!

John

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[RBW] Re: Which kind of shellac "flakes" do you use for cotton tape? Seed, button, flake, or dewaxed???

[John Phillips]

Thanks, for the advice, all very helpful.

   After reading all the information on the shellac.net website, I decided 
to go with an amber orange button lac for its durability and resistance to 
water. I'll be double wrapping my Newbaum's, so I'll be trying a 1 lb cut 
of the shellac to saturate all the layers.

Thanks again,

John

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Cambium Stuffing

[Austin B.]

Ah, interesting. So on leather saddles it looks like it limits the 
stretching so it last longer. 

I don't know that there is much stretching to prevent on the Cambium 
saddles, but if enhances the ride I guess it makes sense. I wonder if it 
would help prevent the cracking that some Cambiums get?

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[RBW] Pedal the Parkway: Jamestown to Williamsburg car-free ride

[tc]

May 4th, 08:00 AM - 01:00 PM ET

Has anyone on the list ridden this?  
https://www.bikewalkwilliamsburg.org/events/2019/2/25/pedal-the-parkway

I'm not sure how I've missed it for the 20+ years it's been going on.  I 
really love the historic Williamsburg and Jamestown areas, so this would be 
icing on the cake to incorporate a car-free bike ride between them.  It's 
only 8 miles between towns, but they block cars on the route for 5 hours, 
so one could make it a down and back easily, or more if you're inclined to 
make it a workout :)

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen

[REC]

Thank you,Shoji. 

The mirror you sent me is on my Joe Appaloosa, which I love. So very kind of 
you.   Thank you. 

I know it’s a bit of a trip , but I hope to meet you in Minnewaska this 
Saturday.   Will you be there?

Roberta. 


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> On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful, Roberta!
> 
> I love my Toyo Homer, though I'm curious how the longer chain stay MIT Homer 
> rides.
> 
> Tailwinds, Shoji 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:38:54 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>> In June, I bought a 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen from RBW member Phil K.  ( 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bLEiFQYqK0c ) as a 
>> lighter alternative to my very beloved, much accessorized, and heavy-ish Joe 
>> Appaloosa, which lives at my home in the city.  The AHH is at my office for 
>> after work rides (replacing a 90's Specialized Crossroads), and for travels 
>> where a lighter bike is better for lifting and maneuverability, like in my 
>> car or on a train. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From Phil’s list:
>> 
>> - MIT AHH frameset
>> - Bottom bracket
>> - Headset
>> - Seatpost
>> - Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters
>> - Nitto Albatross heat- treated aluminum handlebars
>> - Nitto Tallux stem
>> - Shimano brake levers
>> - Paul Component funky monkey front brake hanger
>> - Nitto Reneherse rinko rear cable hanger
>> - Paul Component Racer centermount brakes (pair)
>> - Paul Component polished silver moon unit cable yokes (pair)
>> - Riv Silver crankset wide low 38/24 170mm arms
>> - B IQ- XS dyno front light
>> - B toplight line small tail light
>> - B bracket for saddle rail for tail light (allows taillight to be 
>> attached to saddle rails)
>> - Sheldon fender nuts (pair)
>> - Nitto lamp bracket right side
>> - XT Cassette 11- 32 9 speed
>> - XT rear derailleur 772 9 speed
>> - Shimano front derailleur
>> - SRAM chain
>> - Wheelset -  Pacenti Brevet Rims 32h (front and rear), DT double butted 
>> spokes, front hub is SP dynamo hub, rear hub is White Industries T11
>> - Schwalbe lightweight tire tubes
>> - Panaracer Pasela folding bead (65bx42)
>> - Paul Component quick release skewers (pair)
>> - Jagwire & shimano cabling and housing
>>  
>> 
>> I raised the handlebars, so new cables and grip re-wrap, and added a few 
>> items.   My goal was to keep it as light as possible so I could lift it, 
>> while keeping it practical for my needs.   To make it more portable inside 
>> the car and to keep weight off, I didn’t add fenders.   I did add:
>> 
>>  
>> - Selle Anatomica NSX1 saddle
>> - Touring pedals from Doug Peterson, fellow RBW member.  His wife has the 
>> same pedals on her Atlantis and they are as good as he said they’d be.  I 
>> might even change my Joe A. pedals with spikes to these.  It was wonderful 
>> doing business with Doug. 
>> - Dia Compe water bottle cages
>> - Blackburn rack
>> - Carradice Barley saddlebag
>> - Nittany Mountain Works Manything bag for my 32 oz. insulated water bottle.
>> - Defary removable kickstand
>> - Riv reflector mini triangle and Riv reflectors for wheels
>> - Chrome Crane bell
>> - German mirror
>>  
>> The Nittany Mountain bag 
>> https://nittanymountainworks.com/collections/bike-bags/products/anything- 
>> bag .  You choose your colors for the body (40 colors), skirt, and webbing.  
>> There is a vertical strip of webbing to attach it to the stem, though it’s 
>> hard to see in the picture. The first bag they sent was sewn slightly too 
>> small for my 32 oz. water bottle.  They sent me a replacement and told me to 
>> keep the first one for phone, wallet, and whatnot.EXCELLENT customer 
>> service, raw materials as organic and MUSA as they can source them, and all 
>> bike and climbing items are made their PA solar powered manufacturing plant. 
>>  Their parent company is www.organicclimbing.com and have some interesting 
>> videos of their company and solar powered plant on their site. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Defary removable kickstand https://www.amazon.com/Defary- Removable- 
>> Kickstand- Stainless- Material/dp/B074T8V8PH .  I did not like having a bike 
>> without a kickstand.  Lighter than a standard kickstand and it works well 
>> without sagging.  It comes with an almost undetectable mounting clip 
>> co-mounted with the water bottle cage to place the stand when not in use.  
>> In my pic, it’s on the non- drive side seat post water bottle but it could 
>> also fold up and go in a bag.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How does the AHH ride?  It feels different than my Appaloosa, wanting me to 
>> go faster (that’s a relative term) rather than just joyfully moseying along 
>> like I love to do on my Joe A.  Yet, it’s so comfortable that I love being 
>> on it and when the sun goes down, I have Dyno lights!  It’s a fun ride! The 
>> tires are awesome.  I thought that having thinner tires (relative to Joe 
>> A’s), it would ride harsher, but they don’t; they are so plush.  The more I 
>> ride it the more I like it.
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[Joe Bernard]

No worries, Sean, I tried to delete that post but I guess it lands in emails 
and I can't dump it. I'm working on my new personality where I don't respond to 
every damn thing and piss people off - I left the internet-bob group for this 
reason - but it's a work in progress. I have no opinion on helmets! 

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Awesome! 

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Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

"Helmet use was associated with a 51% reduction in the odds of head injury
(OR = 0.49, 95% CI: 0.42–0.57), a 69% reduction in serious head in- jury
(OR = 0.31, 95% CI: 0.25–0.37), a 33% reduction in facial injury (OR = 0.67,
95% CI: 0.56–0.81) and a 65% reduction in fatal head injury (OR = 0.35, 95%
CI: 0.14– 0.88). The odds ratio for helmet use and neck injury was near a
null effect (OR = 0.96, 95% CI: 0.74–1.25)." (Directly from the paper)

Toshi's commentary on the data (not opinion):

The 95% CI is the confidence interval (CI) set to 95%, where the true value
would be represented 95% of the time within that range.

The 95% CI is pretty tight for odds in reduction of head injury, serious
head injury and facial injury, but the 65% reduction of fatal head injury
is not as strong.  The real reduction may range from 12% to 86% reduction
(at least to 95% likelihood).

There is some concern that use of a helmet could increase the potential of
neck injury.  The jury is still out there.  The 95% CI suggests anywhere
from a 26% reduction in the risk of neck injury to a 25% increase in the
chance of neck injury.  This is basically a zero effect (null effect) of
helmet use on the risk of neck injury.  So if you are only worried about
hurting your neck and not worried about having facial or head injuries or
dying, then there is no evidence to suggest that a helmet helps your
chances (or worsens it).  Otherwise, the data are increasingly supporting
the benefit of using a helmet to reduce the risk of facial and head
injuries and to a lesser, but tangible effect upon chances of dying.

Toshi in Oakland

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've historically been anti-helmet.  Never wore one as a kid/teen (nor were 
required to wear one by law, parental direction, etc I vaguely recall 
at some point a law was passed requiring them for kids but maybe I'd aged 
out by then or something?)  I also acknowledge I was just fortunate to not 
have any close calls or serious injuries riding all those years... aside 
from a few otherwise insignificant trail crashes due to youthful 
indiscretion at the local singletrack (Allaire State Park in NJ... which I 
haven't ridden in years but is more heavily ridden lately than when I grew 
up nearby... at least from what I could tell from the parking lot I 
occasionally pass en route to other destinations during the week.  Makes me 
wonder what the trails are currently like and probably even more trails to 
explore than what I'd remember and hope to get out there again one of these 
days, but I digress.)  Anyway, I eventually succumbed to helmet wearing 
mostly to allow participation in organized rides which generally required 
them back when my wife and I began riding longer distances more frequently 
and using these events to explore new areas.  There was a point a few years 
ago I simply got burned out with all the travel/prep just to get to a ride 
on weekends and essentially began a self imposed moratorium on distant 
organized events (there are still a few local ones I've since enjoyed... 
one in particular I provide volunteer support annually... a 6 mile full 
moon night ride in our current local trail network/park which I get to ride 
to/from the event in addition to multiple loops throughout the night to 
lead groups of riders and provide emergency support.)  This same local 
multiuse trail network has essentially become of 80-90% of my mileage with 
rides beginning and ending at my door.  I'd flip flopped helmet/no helmet 
numerous times the past few years but ended up finding a simple one I like 
(Bern) with removable liner and that fits with several personal hats 
(unlike my prior helmet that never felt right) and that easily accepts a 
Velcro strapped headlamp (Princeton Tec Eos.)  Between the good fit plus 
extra light for night time riding, and wanting to lead by example for my 
son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 years I've become pro-helmet, even 
if somewhat begrudgingly. 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:18:20 AM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:

> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[Sean McAtee]

I read the article, found it interesting, and thought that members here
would find it interesting as well.  My sharing was more an FYI than a "this
is what you should be doing" post.  I apologize if my post made anyone
angry.

Sean

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Exactly how is this thread not intended to start another helmet war?
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

Well I'm not arguing which is most cost effective. You said a dedicated ebike 
"will work better" and that very much depends on what each rider needs from an 
ebike. Also, I said I disagree with your opinion, which doesn't make either of 
us right, we just have different views on the priorities of an ebike. I've 
owned dedicated and kitted bikes and my preference is for the bike I like 
first, then figure out what kit will work. 

On the other hand, that new Rad Power with the 20-inch wheels and a cargo 
holder in the middle of the frame is nifty! 

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

Not to get too far OT, Joe I hear what you are saying, but it goes beyond 
cleaness of the build. Love my Clementine, but if I was to attach the 750watt 
motor off my Rad Power, no doubt it would be too much! Other things just make 
it impossible to consider a conversion over a dedicated Ebike. When regularly 
hauling me down from 20 to 25 mph, especially with the extra heft of the motor 
& battery, the disk brakes are indispensable. Integrated head, tail & brake 
lights. Cadence sensors, regenerative braking, etc. All contribute to the 
overall experience and safety. 
I seriously considered getting a conversion for my Clementine, but when you 
consider what you get for less than $2k with Rad Power, it's hard to justify 
doing anything else.

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Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[Joe Bernard]

Exactly how is this thread not intended to start another helmet war?

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Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[masmojo]

I use a helmet when I feel it's appropriate; generally in situations where I 
know I will be moving quickly. . . Drop bars or E bike.
I hate these studies, because they don't look at all extenuating circumstances. 
Rider demographic, location, type of bike, etc. There are so many things that 
come into play. 
Do what's good for you.

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Re: [RBW] Helmets (again)

[Patrick Moore]

Both interesting articles and food for thought. I'm not sure what to
conclude. I can certainly sympathize (and would probably do the same thing
as) the woman in the GGW article.

Also, I don't see why the GGW article need be an alternative to the WaPo
article, though I do see its point.

As to the WaPo article, it still leaves me asking: how much do helmets
reduce the risk of serious injury or death from cycling? If helmets reduce
serious injury or death from head and neck injuries by 22 % or by 99%, what
does this mean to the overall risk of death or serious injury while
cycling? And in what environments and conditions?

I haven't used a helmet for 20 years, but I am (I hope) open to evidence
that would convince me to change my mind (and I have one hanging in the
garage, just in case (and for organized group rides).

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Ed Carolipio]

May I suggest reading and discussing this article instead:

https://ggwash.org/view/73899/why-i-stopped-taking-my-kid-to-school-by-bike-vision-zero-dc

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 7:18:20 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Cambium Stuffing

[Wally Estrella]

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/aug-13

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-4, Austin B. wrote:
>
> Interesting, but I don't understand and have never seen this. What does 
> the stuffing do?
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Bill Lindsay]

Rob Kristoff asked:

Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?


Yes, it was meant to be the road version of a Clem and it successfully was 
that, in my opinion and experience. I think Rivendell miscalculated what 
many people want. Many people want a cheap racing bike. The Roadini was a 
smart civilized affordable road bike. Many people want to buy a bike that 
looks like a racing bike, and those people in general didn't think the Leo 
Roadini looked enough like a bike intended for racing. Who cares if it is 
just as fast and more comfortable? The roadies on my club ride make fun of 
it because it looks weird.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Cambium Stuffing

[J Imler]

The stuffing firms up the saddle a tad and dampens bump vibration, in my 
opinion.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 9:18:54 AM UTC-7, Austin B. wrote:
>
> Interesting, but I don't understand and have never seen this. What does 
> the stuffing do?
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Cambium Stuffing

[Austin B.]

Interesting, but I don't understand and have never seen this. What does the 
stuffing do?

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Paul Richardson]

i'll be arriving at the campground sometime mid-morning.  i'll definitely 
be ready to roll to the brauhaus in the evening.  looking forward to it!

paul
takoma park, md.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Attention day trippers/drivers!  I spoke with the campground and 
> Minnewaska today.  You have two options for parking Saturday: 
>
> 1. Arrive at Minnewaska by 10am to ensure you get a spot.  Apparently they 
> are under construction so spots are limited. 
>
> 2. Park at the visitor center (usually always spots). 
>
> Mohonk Preserve Visitor Center 
> 3197 U.S Hwy 4455, Gardiner, NY 12525 
> (845) 255-0919 
> https://goo.gl/maps/CLD8c76sFq8cCBEL9 
>
> (There is no parking at the campground unless you’re staying there) 
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Rob Kristoff]

Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Attention day trippers/drivers!  I spoke with the campground and Minnewaska 
today.  You have two options for parking Saturday:

1. Arrive at Minnewaska by 10am to ensure you get a spot.  Apparently they are 
under construction so spots are limited.

2. Park at the visitor center (usually always spots).

Mohonk Preserve Visitor Center
3197 U.S Hwy 4455, Gardiner, NY 12525
(845) 255-0919
https://goo.gl/maps/CLD8c76sFq8cCBEL9

(There is no parking at the campground unless you’re staying there)

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[RBW] Helmets (again)

[SeanMac]

I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
cycling injuries

Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 


The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:

"Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
, 
published in the journal Brain Injury."

Sean
Buffalo, NY

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[RBW] Re: Which kind of shellac "flakes" do you use for cotton tape? Seed, button, flake, or dewaxed???

[Mat Grewe]

I chose super-blonde dewaxed flakes for some grey handlebar tape, but I 
cannot recall my reasons for dewaxed...  The color did darken a little even 
with super-blonde, similar to the tape/twine getting a little wet.  I've 
also used a mix of amber and garnet flakes on white handlebar tape and it 
looks quite nice.

In either instance, I recommend a 2:1 cut.  It goes on light and is easier 
to control the build up of shellac.  I prefer just enough shellac to give 
some durability to the handlebar tape, but if you want that glassy, thick 
shellac feel and look, then you could use a lager cut (4:1 or so).  I don't 
wear gloves and ride frequently in the rain, so a lighter coating works 
best for me.

Mat
Driftless Wisconsin

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen

[Shoji Takahashi]

Wonderful, Roberta!

I love my Toyo Homer, though I'm curious how the longer chain stay MIT 
Homer rides.

Tailwinds, Shoji 



On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:38:54 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> In June, I bought a 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen from RBW member Phil K.  ( 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bLEiFQYqK0c ) as 
> a lighter alternative to my very beloved, much accessorized, and heavy-ish 
> Joe Appaloosa, which lives at my home in the city.  The AHH is at my 
> office for after work rides (replacing a 90's Specialized Crossroads), and 
> for travels where a lighter bike is better for lifting and maneuverability, 
> like in my car or on a train. 
>
>
> From Phil’s list:
>
> - MIT AHH frameset
>
> - Bottom bracket
>
> - Headset
>
> - Seatpost
>
> - Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters
>
> - Nitto Albatross heat- treated aluminum handlebars
>
> - Nitto Tallux stem
>
> - Shimano brake levers
>
> - Paul Component funky monkey front brake hanger
>
> - Nitto Reneherse rinko rear cable hanger
>
> - Paul Component Racer centermount brakes (pair)
>
> - Paul Component polished silver moon unit cable yokes (pair)
>
> - Riv Silver crankset wide low 38/24 170mm arms
>
> - B IQ- XS dyno front light
>
> - B toplight line small tail light
>
> - B bracket for saddle rail for tail light (allows taillight to be 
> attached to saddle rails)
>
> - Sheldon fender nuts (pair)
>
> - Nitto lamp bracket right side
>
> - XT Cassette 11- 32 9 speed
>
> - XT rear derailleur 772 9 speed
>
> - Shimano front derailleur
>
> - SRAM chain
>
> - Wheelset -  Pacenti Brevet Rims 32h (front and rear), DT double butted 
> spokes, front hub is SP dynamo hub, rear hub is White Industries T11
>
> - Schwalbe lightweight tire tubes
>
> - Panaracer Pasela folding bead (65bx42)
>
> - Paul Component quick release skewers (pair)
>
> - Jagwire & shimano cabling and housing
>
>  
>
> I raised the handlebars, so new cables and grip re-wrap, and added a few 
> items.   My goal was to keep it as light as possible so I could lift it, 
> while keeping it practical for my needs.   To make it more portable 
> inside the car and to keep weight off, I didn’t add fenders.   I did add:
>
>  
>
> - Selle Anatomica NSX1 saddle
>
> - Touring pedals from Doug Peterson, fellow RBW member.  His wife has the 
> same pedals on her Atlantis and they are as good as he said they’d be.  I 
> might even change my Joe A. pedals with spikes to these.  It was 
> wonderful doing business with Doug.  
>
> - Dia Compe water bottle cages
>
> - Blackburn rack
>
> - Carradice Barley saddlebag
>
> - Nittany Mountain Works Manything bag for my 32 oz. insulated water 
> bottle.
>
> - Defary removable kickstand 
>
> - Riv reflector mini triangle and Riv reflectors for wheels
>
> - Chrome Crane bell
>
> - German mirror
>
>  
>
> The Nittany Mountain bag 
> https://nittanymountainworks.com/collections/bike-bags/products/anything- 
> bag 
> 
>  
> .  You choose your colors for the body (40 colors), skirt, and webbing.  
> There 
> is a vertical strip of webbing to attach it to the stem, though it’s hard 
> to see in the picture. The first bag they sent was sewn slightly too small 
> for my 32 oz. water bottle.  They sent me a replacement and told me to 
> keep the first one for phone, wallet, and whatnot.EXCELLENT customer 
> service, raw materials as organic and MUSA as they can source them, and all 
> bike and climbing items are made their PA solar powered manufacturing plant.  
> Their parent company is www.organicclimbing.com and have some interesting 
> videos of their company and solar powered plant on their site. 
>
>
> Defary removable kickstand https://www.amazon.com/Defary- Removable- 
> Kickstand- Stainless- Material/dp/B074T8V8PH 
> 
>  
> .  I did not like having a bike without a kickstand.  Lighter than a 
> standard kickstand and it works well without sagging.  It comes with an 
> almost undetectable mounting clip co-mounted with the water bottle cage to 
> place the stand when not in use.  In my pic, it’s on the non- drive side 
> seat post water bottle but it could also fold up and go in a bag.
>
>
> How does the AHH ride?  It feels different than my Appaloosa, wanting me 
> to go faster (that’s a relative term) rather than just joyfully moseying 
> along like I love to do on my Joe A.  Yet, it’s so comfortable that I 
> love being on it and when the sun goes down, I have Dyno lights!  It’s a 
> fun ride! The tires are awesome.  I thought that having thinner tires 
> (relative to Joe A’s), it would ride harsher, but they don’t; they are so 
> plush.  The more I ride it the more I like it.
>
>
> The bar end real friction shifters are new to me and so smooth.  So much 
> better than the “it clicks, but is friction” shifters on my Joe A.  Also 
> new to me and I love it, is a 2 ring 

[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Joe Bernard]

I would guess less than $800 in the condition you describe, but it's a wild 
guess without seeing it. I think you should pick a starting price you can live 
with and do a FS post with pics. You'll know soon enough if your number is too 
high. 

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[RBW] Re: Best baby bike seat?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I never got around to trying this last autumn and stuck with our initial 
set-up through the remainder of '18, but ended up building up a winter bike 
with the Chocomoose bars which remains my only ride ready bike to date 
after a move in July and most bike stuff remaining packed for now... so I 
finally got the Yepp front seat installed this summer and thought I'd just 
post a quick update and note that Chocomoose + Yepp Mini = two big grins! 

Our 2 year old loves being front and center and helping steer and with the 
bars raised just so (and level with my saddle) he could reach both grips so 
we often share the bars.  No, I don't leave him unattended like this.  Even 
with the double kickstand and parking brake (yes, my right lever is 
currently front brake) I'm still concerned about stability, especially with 
the stack of the tall frame. He was just chill enough to take a quick pic 
during a brief stop and finally document one of our usual evening loops.

Enjoy!


On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:

> I also have my Chocomoose bars installed on another partially built bike 
> in storage and might test the Yepp Mini with it later this autumn and will 
> post an update and pics if I get around to it.
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>>
>> I had flip-flopped multiple times on the front vs rear debate before 
>> ultimately buying the front Yepp.  We knew we wanted a bike mounted seat 
>> and a trailer was ruled out almost immediately for us mostly due to storage 
>> space constraints, as well the fact that most of our riding would be on 
>> local multiuse paths that get really dry and dusty (although turned out 
>> to not much of an issue during this rather wet NJ summer) so I also wanted 
>> to keep our son up off the ground as much as possible.
>>
>> After considering all the different options I eventually concluded the 
>> Yepp Mini was for us... only to then be generously offered a free rear seat 
>> from our friends that they could not use on their particular bikes.  Part 
>> of what helped push the front seat selection was that I also already had a 
>> rear luggage rack to install on the Clem and use for carrying stuff with 
>> our son up front.  Then the rear seat was given and we were all set to 
>> stick with it for practical reasons, but I began to rethink front rack 
>> options as the Thule Ride Along rear does not install to a rear rack but 
>> instead clamps around the seat tube and suspends itself over the rear 
>> tire from there.  The irony is that I already traded away my Surly front 
>> rack before all of this occurred so I was back to evaluating front racks 
>> again with the rear baby seat now in possession.  As it turns out, the 
>> Thule Ride Along did not fit around the widely spaced seatstays of the 65cm 
>> Clem H but fits well on one of my Wife's bikes (and will fit a couple other 
>> frames of mine for future use as he outgrows the front seat.)
>>
>> So we went back to Plan A and bought a Yepp Mini for my Clem to 
>> complement the Ride Along rear that we plan to transition into.  The 
>> greatest, if not only, downside is the high cost for a 2nd seat that will 
>> only get used maybe 2yrs max (front rated up to 33lbs/3yrs and you lose 
>> most of the 1st year anyway) but I'm finding it's been well worth it so 
>> far.  Of course, that is considering I have not experienced any other fit 
>> issues.  The long top tube and high backswept bars seem to be key!  I do 
>> not hit my knees/chest/chin on the seat whatsoever but the front seat does 
>> not work with my 5'1" wife and her small framed bicycles.
>>
>> Either route you choose, have fun and enjoy!
>>
>> Best,
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrenceville, NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:58:13 AM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> I had a great experience with my son on the rear mount "Co-Pilot" on my 
>>> Clem. 
>>>
>>> It worked great for the first 1-2 years of riding with him, but as he 
>>> got older and heavier around 2.5-3 yrs (he's 4..5 now) the disproportion of 
>>> weight became a bit of a bother on hills heading back home, so I eventually 
>>> went with a hodgepodge of used parts for a kit Xtracycle MB-2 build that 
>>> I'm quite happy with for city riding. My son loves being on the back of it, 
>>> and scoots up towards me and we chat along the way home from school through 
>>> the park, and being a cargo bike it allows us to strap his push bike to it 
>>> and we will ride together for certain stretches on the way. 
>>>
>>> My other son now a little over 1 year old has been using the Co-Pilot on 
>>> my wife's bike, and I think we may end up eventually going for a Yepp mount 
>>> on the Xtracycle so the boys can be together. 
>>>
>>> I agree with Lynne, bike trailers are a great option too. We use a 
>>> trailer on weekends when exploring and not in the city which is great, 
>>> reason being (for me) I 

[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[John Aydelotte]

Well, that's a pretty solid consensus as nobody thinks a repaint is worth 
the cost.

Someone asked price.  I have no idea what these are worth.  I've seen 
entire bikes go for upwards of $1500, but the only frame I could find was 
sold on eBay for $1900 but it was a different color and in almost new 
condition.  I've already had a private contact who thought $800-1000 
depending on how it looked.  Is that close?

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:50:27 PM UTC-6, John Aydelotte wrote:
>
> Question for the group:
>
> After 10+ years, I have decided to part with my Atlantis.  Many reasons, 
> most of which I won't go into here, but this 56cm frame has always been 
> JUST a bit too small for me.  I recently rode a bicycle which fit like a 
> glove and realized what I'd been missing.
>
> Here's the question.  Many of the parts are worn - I have ridden the heck 
> out of this thing for years, as a commuter, randonneur, utility bike...you 
> name it.  I'm keeping the racks, moving the wheels to other bikes.  So this 
> is just a frame.  Should I paint and sell, or sell as-is?
>
> This frame has a fair amount of what Grant calls "beausage".  Scratches, 
> surface rust, nicks, rubs, etc...  No significant damage.  The 
> perfectionist in me wants to send it to Riv, have them paint it, and then 
> sell.  My practical side thinks I won't recoup the cost in the final 
> price.  Someone may not care about the wear-and-tear and may even want to 
> paint it a different color.
>
> What's the group consensus - sell as-is, or get it showroom-ready?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Ed Fausto]

"Sell as is!"
Let the potential buyer know the original condition and he can later decide
to ride it "as is" or have it painted.

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:51 AM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> Yeah, definitely. You don't install a built in swimming pool or redo the
> kitchen right before listing your house. Paint job for bike equals major
> expenditure that will not increase the value enough to cover the cost of
> the paint job, never mind the potential aggravation.
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:27:11 PM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>> Agree with Sky, sell it as is. It'll be much easier to move.
>>
>> --Ed C.
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