[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Bill Eberle in Portland OR]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. I was totally smitten when 
the Kirk Precision came out back in the day. They don't make milk crates out of 
magnesium, do they? If the Charlie J Gallop is just as much off the wall as the 
Kirk, I'm all for it.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

I think that was made of magnesium or something very brittle. Only a few 
were made, most broke. Unless I have it confused with another bike. Though 
that would take some effort.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:51:57 PM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Truss Bike!
>
>
> Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
>
> [image: Image result for kirk precision bicycle]
>

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[RBW] Re: Local Pickup only Bloomfield NJ

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bob,
I attempted to send you a direct message detailing my situation.
Hopefully it went through.

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] FS: 650b 32h Cliffhanger Wheelset and Shimano Deore Hubs - $150 + shipping

[Reid Echols]

What a deal. I’d take em if Joe should decide to pass. 

Reid in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Chris L]

Looks like someone melted and reshaped a milk crate into a bicycle frame.  
  



On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Truss Bike!
>
>
> Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
>
> [image: Image result for kirk precision bicycle]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[David Bivins]

FINALLY! A bike to carry my laundry detergent!

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:52 PM Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Truss Bike!
>
>
> Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
>
> [image: Image result for kirk precision bicycle]
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

Yes that is indeed atrocious, but I meant THIS truss bike. Which kinda uses the 
"rainbow" Riv puts on some big bikes. 

https://antbikemike.wordpress.com/

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[RBW] Re: Local Pickup only Bloomfield NJ

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Argh! I wish this was posted a day earlier -- I was just in Bloomfield this 
afternoon!

Anyway, I might be able to help out, Ryan; send me a PM.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:46:57 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Anyone able to do me a huge solid regarding and evilbay local pick up only 
> in NJ and shipping me a rear wheel for my Rivendell.  
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> Muskegon, MI 49445
> (616)928-4226
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[RBW] FS: small grey grid saddlesack and Nitto R14 rack

[Robert Barr]

Robert Barr 
[image: Attachments]8:46 PM (9 minutes ago)
to rbw-owners-bunch
I am converting my Hunq from a dedicated commuter to a more trail oriented
role. One thing I have learned from that bike is it can do anything. As I
convert over I am selling some items. As the subject line says I have a
small grey grid saddle sack and a R14 rack (with tombstone). The saddle
sack is still a little dusty from the gravel trail and has two small areas
of black glaze from a rack. there are no holes, tears, or rips. One of the
leather straps has some surface cracking but otherwise no wear. The rack
has one spot of black oxidation from contact with my basket. The rack comes
with 4 sets of stays, one uncut, 1 cut for a 26 in mount, one uncut and
unbend short set, and one short set bent at 90 degrees. The pictures below
show the condition of the items. I am asking $100 each plus shipping from
46208, or $175 if you want both items. PM please if interested. Paypal
friends and family preferred.


 Saddle sack 2.png

 Saddle sack 1.png

 Rack 2.png


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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Brewster Fong]

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Truss Bike!


Maybe the ugliest bike ever made

[image: Image result for kirk precision bicycle]

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Re: [RBW] Charlie H Gallop!

[James Warren]

I jump on Philip's idea and add my desire for lugs at the three points of
the main "triangle" and a cream head tube.

Philip's idea:
"Super Legolas.

Lightweight cross-ish bike that takes 55-60mm tires. Longish chainstays,
and adjusted front end to handle the tire upsizing. Sloping top tube. May
come with a Hite-Rite. SUPERMOTO style."

- James Warren

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 2:29 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Super Legolas.
>
> Lightweight cross-ish bike that takes 55-60mm tires. Longish chainstays,
> and adjusted front end to handle the tire upsizing. Sloping top tube. May
> come with a Hite-Rite. SUPERMOTO style.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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[RBW] Riv, rainbow,...

[Eric Floden]

...and me, Golden Lake Ontario

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Re: [RBW] FS: 650b 32h Cliffhanger Wheelset and Shimano Deore Hubs - $150 + shipping

[Ed Carolipio]

Sold pending payment then. :)

--Ed C.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 650b 32h Cliffhanger Wheelset and Shimano Deore Hubs - $150 + shipping

[Joe Bunik]

Ed, I'll take em. Will dm you once I'm back at an actual keyboard!

Thanks
Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek CA

On 9/20/19, Ed Carolipio  wrote:
> Handbuilt by Universal Cycles and used for ~200 miles on my Bubbe. Some
> specs:
>
>- Rims are 650b Cliffhanger, 32h, black with machine side walls
>- Hubs are Deore T610, 32h, 100mm F/135mm R, 8/9/10 speed freehub
>- Spokes are Wheelsmith double butted in black
>- Nipples are Wheelsmith brass in silver
>- Rim tape (looks like Stan's) but no skewers included with wheelset
>
> Additional photos available here:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11jkhPBoVbAcS26u4SI8BqX5VHmLmiP8W?usp=sharing
>
> Prefer Paypal goods and services (I'll cover the fees) and shipping will be
>
> from 90278 via Bikeflights. (About $40: 26x25x13 box,12 lbs) Contact off
> list if you have questions or are interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed C.
>
> [image: IMG_7059.jpg][image: IMG_7050.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Hubbuhubbah Small

[Andrew Nussbaum]

PM sent.

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 10:38:43 AM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> I have a small HHH tandem, from the first run (2016) of Riv tandems, built 
> up as a bike. FYI- my PBH is 87.5 and it fits me fine. Grant recommended 
> the small. I would like to sell this as a complete bike. It was ridden once 
> around the block by me, alone, while building it, then once around the 
> block with two of us on the bike. That's it. I'm asking $3000+shipping (I 
> will pay to have the bike packed by LBS) for the complete bike (parts list 
> below):
>
> Small HHH frame, Bushnell eccentric BB, 2 seat posts, headset
> Silver crankset
> Wheels- The "value" wheel set Riv offered with the tandems, Velocity hubs 
> (40h rear, 36h front, Alex DM-24 rims with Schwalbe G-One, 650Bx60 tires 
> 2 Bosco bars (Stoker bars has some scratches from installation)
> Sunrace V-brake levers
> Headset spacer bell
> 2nd bottom bracket
> 2 sets sneaker pedals
> Shimano Claris FD
> 2 SunRace One-at-a-time shifters (R)
> Shimano Deore T610 V-Brakes
> Cables and housing
> Cassette 9-sp 11-32
> Riv 9-speed chains (It takes 3 chains for this bike)
> Nitto Hi-Riser threadless stem
> Stoker stem
>
> Prefer contact off list as I'm not here as much as I used to be, but I'll 
> be more conscientious about checking here too. 
>
>
> '
>
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[RBW] Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

Truss Bike!

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[RBW] Charlie H Gallop!

[Philip Williamson]

Super Legolas. 

Lightweight cross-ish bike that takes 55-60mm tires. Longish chainstays, and 
adjusted front end to handle the tire upsizing. Sloping top tube. May come with 
a Hite-Rite. SUPERMOTO style. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

It's been on the market a couple years, after a rather long gestation period 
with numerous delays. There have been no major updates as of now, a lot of that 
got done in those delays. 

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[RBW] Local Pickup only Bloomfield NJ

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Anyone able to do me a huge solid regarding and evilbay local pick up only in 
NJ and shipping me a rear wheel for my Rivendell.  

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
Muskegon, MI 49445
(616)928-4226

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[RBW] Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

How long has this particular version existed?  Anybody heard of a 2nd version 
Superpedestrian Copenhagen wheel with upgraded features?

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Mark Roland]

Kai, scratch that. I am thinking time from New Paltz to the train, not up 
in Minnewaska. It's a hike. I do think rail trail will take you through 
most, but it will be dark and long with some areas of traffic, and after a 
long day. I would look for plan B unless you head that way early afternoon.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:30:23 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Hi Kai. I've never come from Minnewaska to pick up the train (in fact I 
> rarely train it on recreational rides) but yes, there is an E-W rail trail 
> that shoots off the one that runs North South from Gardiner to 
> Poughkeepsie. Supposedly also one that goes from this N-S trail right up to 
> Minnewaska. So you could probably do it mostly on trails. You can 
> googlecheck, but I would guess, depending on your exact departure point, 
> you could leave at 8:30 and still have a cushion. But at night on 
> unfamiliar terrain, for myself, I would probably leave around 2 or 3 in the 
> afternoon..?;^)  See ya tomorrow!
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:02:34 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mark, I was thinking the same thing but I only know what google maps 
>> thinks is the right route to Poughkeepsie. Is there one clearly favorable 
>> route? Mostly rail trail? And concerns with catching that last 9:45 
>> train... how long might that ride take moving at a spirited yet leisurely 
>> pace? Clearly I need to do some research, but if you wouldn't mind sharing 
>> your thoughts.
>> Thanks
>> -Kai 
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

*Julian "also has grippies on the bottom of the bathtub" Westerhout*

I believe statistics show that railings are much more effective at 
preventing bathtime injuries. 

I don't personally know any anti-helmet advocates, though I'm sure they 
must exist. I think most folks who sometimes or never wear a helmet would 
just like to be able to make that choice without getting lectures from 
various quarters.

>
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
>> helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
>> example?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
>>> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
>>> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

Lug-less, maybe. But the latest offerings are fillet-brazed, a horse of a 
different color than tig-welded frames. And true to the construction of 
some of the earliest Hillibikes, especially those made by T. Ritchey, I 
believe Grant owned one at some point. His might have been a road though, 
don't recall. Also, even the tig frames have the seat cluster lug and the 
fork crowns, unlike any other bicycles being offered today that I know of. 
A nice connection to the roots.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 10:05:24 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> In light if recent events I have to wonder if we are looking at the dawn 
> of a new Rivendell; one were all of the standard frames will be TIG welded? 
> (Lug less)?

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[RBW] Re: Bike Rear View Mirrors

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is true. Thanks for sharing! We should all be careful, as we are 
likely in the minority with being extra safe.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Nice habit!
>
> One of my pet peeves is other cyclists or pedestrians NOT doing the 
> mirror/shoulder check when stepping out or passing. They just drift right 
> out. 
> It's these people that need to have a rear-view mirror glued permanently 
> to the side of their head :-S
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:26:57 AM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>
>> This morning, I overtook a guy and thought I may have been too abrupt or 
>> that he was trying to draft behind me. 
>>
>> I moved my eye up and to the left to check my rear view mirror.
>>
>> I didn't see anything at first. 
>>
>> Then I remembered I didn't have my helmet on, and that I was actually 
>> walking. 
>>
>> Old habits...
>>
>> For the record, I have a Bike Peddler Take A Look Mirror taped to my 
>> helmet.
>>
>> Stay Safe,
>> Beaverton "Always Thinks He's On A Bike" Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Be-fendered Matthews: New from Kelpie.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Chauncey Matthews ought to have raised the seatstay bridge about 3
mm higher, but even so, he did a good job of accomodating almost 30" tall
60+ mm tires with sufficient clearance for wide fenders in a frame that
allows a Q of about 157 mm (160 actual, since I very conservatively chose a
130 mm bb).

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:14 AM Bob K.  wrote:

> Looks super clean!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Be-fendered Matthews: New from Kelpie.

[Bob K.]

Looks super clean!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Be-fendered Matthews: New from Kelpie.

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add that the arc over the section of the fenders is about 90 mm.

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:45 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Solid and utterly silent on 15 bumpy dirt miles yesterday. Colin uses
> heavier gauge aluminum sheet and aluminum stays about twice the diameter of
> your standard Honjo stay. But the setup show weighs no more than 1.5 lb,
> perhaps an oz less, compared to the 1.43 of the much shorter and narrower
> SKS 65 mm's these replace.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[REC (Roberta)]

"And as a reminder for those of us who still believe in free will for 
headgear options, helmets are mandatory for one or both of these park 
areas. So, bring a helmet."--Mark


To the group:  I packed an extra helmet, so if your head isn't too big and 
you need one, one is available.  It's probably marked as a Medium.

Roberta


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[RBW] Re: Bike Rear View Mirrors

[Kieran J]

Nice habit!

One of my pet peeves is other cyclists or pedestrians NOT doing the 
mirror/shoulder check when stepping out or passing. They just drift right 
out. 
It's these people that need to have a rear-view mirror glued permanently to 
the side of their head :-S

KJ


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:26:57 AM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>
> This morning, I overtook a guy and thought I may have been too abrupt or 
> that he was trying to draft behind me. 
>
> I moved my eye up and to the left to check my rear view mirror.
>
> I didn't see anything at first. 
>
> Then I remembered I didn't have my helmet on, and that I was actually 
> walking. 
>
> Old habits...
>
> For the record, I have a Bike Peddler Take A Look Mirror taped to my 
> helmet.
>
> Stay Safe,
> Beaverton "Always Thinks He's On A Bike" Bob
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Splats for sale

[Steve Butcher]

Bump and Price  drop to $25.00 shipped in CONUS.  

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Hello Forum,
>
> [image: 20190910_100212.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190910_100234.jpeg]
>  I'm offering for sale this pair of Rivendell MUSA Splats I purchased 
> a few years back for the Lake Pepin Three Speed Tour in the event of rain.  
> As it turns out, I did not need them; nor I still don't need them.  They 
> are in excellent shape and never beeen wet.  They fit over my size 10 shoes 
> very well.  I'm asking $35.00 for the pair shipped in CONUS.  PLease direct 
> message me with questions.  I've cross-listed these on i-BOB.  
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

In light if recent events I have to wonder if we are looking at the dawn of a 
new Rivendell; one were all of the standard frames will be TIG welded? (Lug 
less)?

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[RBW] Re: FS - quality 27" wheelset - Phil Wood/Weylss/Super Champion

[velomann]

SOLD.

Mike

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:07:57 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> Long shot perhaps, but I have a higher quality 27" wheelset for sale if 
> you're looking for some nice wheels for a vintage bike.
>
> Both wheels are 36 spoke laced to Super Champion rims in excellent 
> condition.
> Rear hub is older Phil Wood, 120 spacing.
> Front is very smooth and hard to find Weyless hub with original skewer. 
> For more on Weyless hubs see here: 
> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=53a75029-53eb-41b8-af6a-3293a0d31d34
>
> $75 plus shipping or pick up in Portland.
>
> Conversely, if you just want the hubs I'm willing to unlace the wheels. 
> Price is still $75 + shipping which would obviously be cheaper.
>
> See on CL ad here:
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/portland-vintage-27-wheelset-phil-wood/6976432786.html
>
> Mike
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Julian Westerhout]

In 1978 I had a head injury (along with a number of other not-very-fun 
injuries) when I was ht by a car while cycling. No helmet -- very few wore 
them back then -- I think the original Bell Biker and leather hair nets 
were just about the only options. 

Since then I just about always wear a helmet -- although as a sweaty guy 
anything on my head adds to the sweat, esp. in the summer, but many modern 
helmets are really well vented and light. I currently use a Specialized 
Prevail II. 

I get tired of the vehemence of both the pro and anti side of this debate 
-- along with other topics (I'm really tired of folks who try to convert me 
to carbon, etc. with fervor). I adopt a sort of "just ride" philosophy. I 
do share my experience and opinion if asked, but don't get evangelical.

Arguing at length with folks who are not listening is at best a thankless 
endeavor, made all the more so on the internet. 

Julian "also has grippies on the bottom of the bathtub" Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
> helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
> example?
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>>
>> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
>> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
>> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which kind of shellac "flakes" do you use for cotton tape? Seed, button, flake, or dewaxed???

[Mat Grewe]

That ought to turn out beautifully.  Enjoy!

Mat
Driftless Wisconsin

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Mark Roland]

Hi Kai. I've never come from Minnewaska to pick up the train (in fact I 
rarely train it on recreational rides) but yes, there is an E-W rail trail 
that shoots off the one that runs North South from Gardiner to 
Poughkeepsie. Supposedly also one that goes from this N-S trail right up to 
Minnewaska. So you could probably do it mostly on trails. You can 
googlecheck, but I would guess, depending on your exact departure point, 
you could leave at 8:30 and still have a cushion. But at night on 
unfamiliar terrain, for myself, I would probably leave around 2 or 3 in the 
afternoon..?;^)  See ya tomorrow!

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:02:34 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, I was thinking the same thing but I only know what google maps 
> thinks is the right route to Poughkeepsie. Is there one clearly favorable 
> route? Mostly rail trail? And concerns with catching that last 9:45 
> train... how long might that ride take moving at a spirited yet leisurely 
> pace? Clearly I need to do some research, but if you wouldn't mind sharing 
> your thoughts.
> Thanks
> -Kai 

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

Ed C. wrote:...* like you all I'm struggling to figure out what niche it 
would fill amongst their offerings.*

While it may or may be perceived as filling a niche, I don't think that 
matters. It's a bicycle design that was considered interesting or worthy 
enough by the designer or designers to bring into being. Part of that is 
necessity, of course, because we constantly demand something "new" and 
because that's mostly what sells bicycles in enough volume to survive. Part 
of it would fit in with the ongoing ideas of the designer or designers. In 
a bigger company, a new model is often targeted at a "niche" then updated 
every year with a different color and the latest components.

Rivendell's business model can't be quite like that, and for the most part 
doesn't want to be. Anyway, there are only so many so called "niches", and 
after that, it's mostly marketing. Rivendell bicycles of all models are 
already in a tiny niche of quality steel bicycles without discs or motors 
designed for Just Ride type riding. Looked at from this perspective, as 
Garth points out (not quite correctly in his original context, but hey, we 
cut gurus some slack) A Rivendell is a Rivendell is a Rivendell. But yeah, 
curious as always to see a new bicycle from Rivendell. Really the only 
bicycle company I can say that about at this point.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 12:28:46 AM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> ... like you all I'm struggling to figure out what niche it would fill 
> amongst their offerings.
>
> --Ed C.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

That's me being nationalistic, and only includes deaths in the U.S. 
Apologies to the rest of the world.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 8:37:00 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> 40,000 people die in their cars every year
>

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