[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Clayton.sf]

Yes, I can dig it.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Justin August]

Agreed.
I know it won’t happen but a small run of Boscos and Chocos in 31.8 would be 
awesome.

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Everything you've described - most of which include a different stem and/or 
> bar design - are intended to combat the physics I'm talking about. My claim 
> stands: I think some people are putting more leverage into the Tallux/Bosco 
> combination than it can withstand without extra remedies at the clamp area. I 
> also think some get lucky with the specific tolerances of their bar/stem and 
> never have a slip. 
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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Joe Bernard]

Everything you've described - most of which include a different stem and/or bar 
design - are intended to combat the physics I'm talking about. My claim stands: 
I think some people are putting more leverage into the Tallux/Bosco combination 
than it can withstand without extra remedies at the clamp area. I also think 
some get lucky with the specific tolerances of their bar/stem and never have a 
slip. 

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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Clayton.sf]

I feel like slippage has little to do with bar weight or stem length.
If you want less slip then you need to increase friction between stem and bar. 
A larger diameter bar/stem interface (31.8mm or 35mm) accomplishes this most 
elegantly. Friction paste and torque are other means. More exotic solutions are 
bullmoose style stems (Nitto makes some) that clamp bars in two instead of one 
area. 

Clayton Scott 
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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Clayton.sf]

@Justin underneath the bar sleeve there are likely two slits/holes. Squirt some 
wd40 or t9 in there and the creaking should stop.

CS HBG CA

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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Joe Bernard]

We may just have to admit that putting light wayback bars on light wayforward 
stems has a practical limit before the laws of physics takes over. Sometimes 
they creak, sometimes we can push on them hard enough to slip. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Big Front Rack

[J Imler]

Bump and price drop. $140.00 includes shipping CONUS. I’ll throw in two p 
clamps if needed.

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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Justin, Oakland]

My Boscos slipped. Overtorqued but no carbon paste. I took them off and 
replaced them with Chocos.

Which creak.

And drive me nuts. But they are my favorite bar of all time.

On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 12:37:06 PM UTC-7, jeff perry wrote:
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> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I 
> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of 
> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up 
> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to 
> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else 
> experiencing similar problems?

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, I have no idea what to call these bikes. There's three names for two 
versions of one model, and every name has several names in it!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[Ian A]

In case anyone enjoys podcasts, the following three from the BBC have 
incredible insights into microbiome and related matters.

1) Hunting with the Hazda
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p057w3nm

2) Heath lessons with the Hazda https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058jh5q

3) Gut Feeling
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z0cbr

IanA Alberta Canada

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[jack loudon]

Patrick:  "I agree that what works for one person or one race may not be 
the same for another."

My mother is 99 and still healthy and mentally sharp; she still lives in 
the house she was born in.  Her diet is poor, heavy on starchy sweets - 
sometimes when I visit we both have nothing but pie and ice cream for 
dinner.  She has never done anything to actively cultivate good health.  
She scoffs at organic food, drinks quite a bit of wine, is suspicious of 
doctors, rarely exercises.  She is and always has been thin though, and 
never overeats.   What's to account for her long healthy life?  I think 
nothing but good Irish genes, and possibly staying thin?  I don't know.  
Certainly not any specific type of diet or exercise.  Just a data point.

Jack
Seattle



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 2:43:41 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That gives a new meaning to the vulgar phrase, "Eat shit."
>
> Back to rice. Me age'd mum lived to almost 92, and controlled Type 2 
> diabetes for almost 20 years by diet and (very modest) exercise -- 
> principally diet. She had had a very minor heart attack close to age 70, 
> and obeying the medical advice of the time, jettisoned almost all fat, 
> salt, and sugar from her diet, as well as most starches. This meant that 
> her diet was largely styrofoam chicken breasts cooked in the dullest way 
> possible, huge quantities of boiled vegetables, the occasional synthetic 
> egg, and huge quantities of white rice -- because she was Filipina, and if 
> you are Filipina/o, you eat huge quantities of white rice.
>
> I agree that what works for one person or one race may not be the same for 
> another.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ian A > 
> wrote:
>
>> The BBC carried a story about this a while back, going as far to report 
>> on fecal transplants to help with c difficile infection.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-43815369
>>
>> Gut fauna/micro biome health is becoming better understood. 
>>
>> IanA
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[RBW] FS: 61 Atlantis F/F/H - Custom Cranberry Color (MUSA)

[Eamon Nordquist]

Oh man, that’s my size! Unfortunately, I’m not working right now, so good deal 
or not, no bike buying for me.

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[Dave Grossman]

I've had C-Diff twice in my life, and almost died the second time.  I would 
gladly welcome "eating shit" if it cured that horrific infection.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[Patrick Moore]

That gives a new meaning to the vulgar phrase, "Eat shit."

Back to rice. Me age'd mum lived to almost 92, and controlled Type 2
diabetes for almost 20 years by diet and (very modest) exercise --
principally diet. She had had a very minor heart attack close to age 70,
and obeying the medical advice of the time, jettisoned almost all fat,
salt, and sugar from her diet, as well as most starches. This meant that
her diet was largely styrofoam chicken breasts cooked in the dullest way
possible, huge quantities of boiled vegetables, the occasional synthetic
egg, and huge quantities of white rice -- because she was Filipina, and if
you are Filipina/o, you eat huge quantities of white rice.

I agree that what works for one person or one race may not be the same for
another.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ian A  wrote:

> The BBC carried a story about this a while back, going as far to report on
> fecal transplants to help with c difficile infection.
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-43815369
>
> Gut fauna/micro biome health is becoming better understood.
>
> IanA
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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, Garth has it all nailed. I haven't kept up on all the Gus stuff so I made 
a random guess based on I thought they were all 650B. I know nothing!

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[RBW] FS: Big Front Rack and Acorn M/L Saddle Bag

[Birdman]

Rack is sold.

Bag is still available.

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Garth]

I can't speak to the photos specifically as to the diameter or width, but 
the production-to-be Gus/Susie in Large and XL are 29ers, small/medium are 
27.5. Max tire 2.8 for all.  The prototype large may be 27.5, at least 
Deacon Patrick's was. That's common for some of Riv's prototypes, the Bomba 
was the same way. The email photo of the Susie had XR2 29x2.6. Trek website 
lists it as 29 x 2.6 or 3.0 and 27.5 x 2.6/2.8.

I don't suspect Riv would stock and sell 2.6 or 2.8 tires until the frame 
is ready to be sold. I asked Vince about the possible new rim for wide 
tires and he told me the "hang up" was literally just that, overly tight 
fitting tires on tubeless rims. The mfr. they're working with believes they 
have a way to make it easier yet still remain tubeless compatible, which 
apparently isn't negotiable with the mfr. for obvious reasons. 

I suspect the one piece bar/stem on the Susie in Joe's photo if offered for 
sale would be threadless only. It would go directly on a Gus of course, use 
a quill adapter for the Susie. That way they don't have to stock 2 types. 
Quill adapters are fine, I use them on 2 bikes. They're great as you have a 
whole lot more choice of stems, and the Gus/Susie really needs a 4 bolt mtb 
stem anyways. 





On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 1:52:40 PM UTC-4, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
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> What size are the XR2s on the Gus? I can’t make out the size on the 
> sidewall.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[Ian A]

The BBC carried a story about this a while back, going as far to report on 
fecal transplants to help with c difficile infection.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-43815369

Gut fauna/micro biome health is becoming better understood. 

IanA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I had some cromo Bosco + Nitto old stock cromo riser stem (CT-## {31 or 51, 
maybe}) slippage.  Not much, but a little upon hard out saddle mashing or 
stopping.  

I may or may not have experienced the same with the stock Tallux on my Clem... 
I can’t recall as I swapped stems fairly quickly as I needed the Tallux long 
quill length for another build and the Cromo riser with short quill was a 
perfect substitute at the time.

I later traded the Cromo Bosco finding the 55cm too narrow for my large 
wingspan (for the bolt upright posture.)

I’ve decided if I try Bosco again I’ll look for the 58cm moose variety, not 
just to avoid slippage but also a preference for the style (and to complete a 
bull moose trio.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] 58 Hunq is sold

[Michael Williams]

Hey Group,  58 Hunq has been sold.Thanks for the interest.-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Ahh, for some reason I thought Gus was a 29er. 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 1:19:34 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Tire size: I don't know but the biggest Riv offers on the site is 27.5 x 
> 2.35, which sounds about right. They were big! 

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Tire size: I don't know but the biggest Riv offers on the site is 27.5 x 2.35, 
which sounds about right. They were big! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

[Shawn Granton]

Hello all-

Out of curiosity, does the metal make any difference in slipping? If you 
had a slipping set, what was it made out of?

Boscos come both in  heat-treated aluminum and chromoly steel. I put a pair 
of Boscos on my Raleigh Crested Butte four years ago to replace a pair of 
Civia Duponts. The Duponts were similar, but (probably untreated) aluminum 
and had quite a bit of "flex" in the bars. I got the Boscos in steel 
partially because they were cheaper than the aluminum bars, but also 
because I wanted a less "flexy" feeling. Four years later they're still 
working good, and I haven't had any slip.

Best,
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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Kevin Mulcahy]

What size are the XR2s on the Gus? I can’t make out the size on the sidewall.

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[RBW] BUMP: Free for postage ($8 net): "RockBros"cycling pants, size medium**

[Patrick Moore]

They go to Goodwill shortly if no one claims them.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ** In fact they are labeled "XXL" and I kid you not, but they are rather
> too tight but acceptable on my 34 inch waist (the waist is *very *elastic)
> and the length is fine for my medium-length legs.
>
> Thin nylon but I was happy down to 40*F and even below. Good cut if your
> legs are not too thick: snug but room enough to pedal without any binding.
> I found the pockets largely useless, and the pants have all sorts of
> irrelevant gussets and swooshes and panels, but they don't look horrible
> and they do work.
>
> Well used, but plenty of life left.
>
> One per household; offer void where prohibited by law. Answers to
> questions $5 each, prepaid.
>
> $8 *net* via paypal for priority shipping, address furnished upon
> application, please reply off list.
>
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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Joe Bernard]

A fellow I emailed with was told late Spring for the fancy Chev. 

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Mark Schneider]

I was thinking the exact same thing! Maybe Fairweather's?

On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 7:44:11 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> I love those threadless bullmoosey looking bars!

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[RBW] Re: 8-tooth spread on QB/SO track-ends

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I don't own a QB/SO/Frank Jones, but used the same approach as Deacon 
Patrick described to try different gear ranges in a more traditional 
horizontal track end and keep axle movement as minimal as possible.  My 
frame also had more limited tire clearance but when using a Surly dingle 
cog for fixed with no rear brake I had much more room to work with and no 
brake pad alignment issues.  You may or may not experience any issues or 
matters regarding chainline, depending what changes you make.  I'm not a 
chainline snob, and certainly still a novice when it comes to all this 
stuff, but did learn quite a bit when I first began messing around with 
singlespeeds and fixed gear builds and did end up finding some quirks 
regarding chainline, such as:

Different cog spacing/chainline between freewheel and fixed cogs on a flip 
flop hub.
One of my builds included a White Industries 17/19 Dos Eno on the flip side 
and a Surly Dingle fixed cog with same 17/19 spread on the flop side, with 
a matching 2 tooth difference on a double crank (which would keep the axle 
in the same exact spot in either combo.)  I thought I'd just use the outer 
chainring and 17t with either the freewheel or fixed side and the inner 
chainring with the 19t either freewheel or fixed.

WARNING: Don't try shimming your fixed cog on the hub.  I briefly tried 
this to get the Surly cog to match the freewheel chainline but this does 
not allow enough lock ring thread engagement.  Ask me how I know?  I 
stripped the outermost lock ring threads upon a hard skid-stop as the cog 
unthreaded itself and overpowered the lockring!)

The spacing was off enough that the 17t fixed and outer chainring 
combo would bind a little, I could reduce this by slackening the chain a 
little but then crank engagement in fixed was less desirable with the 
slack.  I also found that I wanted to gear up a little more with fixed so 
my matching 17/19 combo was good in theory to make the most of an otherwise 
limited range of axle movement in the dropout/track ends but not so good in 
practice.

I ultimately changed the rings around and flipped them inside out, placing 
a larger 44t chainring on the INSIDE of the double crank and a 42t 
chainring on the OUTER position, which gave better chainline with the 
larger inner ring and fixed cogs with the higher gearing and good chainline 
with the lower geared freewheel in the outer 42t ring.

This improved a couple things, but then eliminated the possibility of the 
44x19t fixed combo because of the axle movement needed and brake pad 
alignment and under caliper clearance issues.  I'd have needed for further 
reduce tire width or remove the rear brake entirely to get them all to 
work, which would otherwise eliminate either the freewheeling option (if 
removing rear brake) or eliminate the benefits of a slighter lower 44/19 
fixed gearing which otherwise worked nicely with my chosen semi-slick tire 
for occasional off-roadish detours (if going back to a narrower slick tire.)

All in all I had a lot of fun with all the gearing/axle/chainline 
experimentation but in the end I realized that in practice and with my 
local terrain I could handle a much simpler 1 tooth difference in a 
flip-flop fixed/freewheel and will eventually finish an updated build with 
15t fixed cog/16t freewheel and a single chainring plus outer chainguard 
(still a work in progress for various reasons.)

Of course, I'd likely be singing a different tune if I had the adjustment 
range of the QB dropouts and would keep the greater gearing spread.  Best 
of luck on your rebuild!

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ 



On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 6:24:57 PM UTC-4, j.schwartz wrote:

> Curious if the 8-tooth "max" spread can be pushed by a tooth or two?
> Is that just a conservative figure or has anyone successfully run a larger 
> (9 or 10 tooth) chain ring size difference on their Quickbeam or Simpleone 
> and still had good brake pad alignment on the rear wheel?
> I'm rebuilding my SO and I have a 41/32 crank which is only 1 tooth larger 
> than the spec.
> The freewheel is 20t and the wheels are 700/43.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pics from Riv

[Paul Richardson]

nice pics (and intel), thanks for sharing!  but ayiyi i wonder how long 
"down the road" is...  been eyeing a cheviot for my better half, but maybe 
it makes sense to wait.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Sam Frameset

[Dave Grossman]

Thanks, I've been watching that for a while.  He was asking full retail as 
a new Sam last week and seems to have dropped his price a bit.  It was a 
complete that was unsold earlier.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 Atlantis F/F/H - Custom Cranberry Color (MUSA)

[tc]

Hey Tim,
Yeah it's really beautiful in person.  The c-t is 61, and ett is 59.4 ... 
both as measured on this frame ... which pretty much matches up with Riv's 
geo chart still on their site for the "OLD Atlantis (MIJ/MUSA)", here: 
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Tom

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 9:29:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
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> That is one gorgeous Atlantis!!.as he Googles Pre MIT Atlantis 
> geometry charts
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 Atlantis F/F/H - Custom Cranberry Color (MUSA)

[Tim Bantham]

That is one gorgeous Atlantis!!.as he Googles Pre MIT Atlantis geometry 
charts. 

On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> This is one beaut of frame, in excellent condition with only a very few 
> minor paint chips.  The underside of the kickstand plate has the most paint 
> wear of anything.  No dings, no rust.  
>
> [image: driveside_front_quarter_flash.jpg]
>
> *More pictures here *.  
>
> I bought it used this past July from someone who had not ridden it much.  
> I have never built it up, nor ridden it.  I did put set of wheels on it, as 
> well as a stem and a few handlebars to get a feel for sizing, but 
> ultimately decided it's too small.  I have a 64 Atlantis that I'll keep 
> (...and probably repaint to match this 61's gorgeous cranberry color, which 
> goes so well with the cream accents).
>
> $1600 + packing & shipping.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: For sale: 9 assorted Selle Italia, Flite, and WTB saddles.

[Julian Westerhout]

Saddles #  3, 6, 7, and 8 remain available. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 




On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 10:57:13 AM UTC-5, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> For sale: assorted Selle Italia, Flite, and WTB saddles. all in good 
> usable shape, some cleaner than others. 
>
>
> These were a donation to my local bike co-op — all proceeds will go to the 
> co-op. 
>
>
> I’m asking $30 each shipped w/in the US, or 4 for $100. Paypal preferred.
>
>
> I have taken photos of the tops and bottoms of the 9 saddles. In the 
> photos the saddles are numbered. When inquiring please refer to the 
> saddle(s) you’re interested in by number. 
>
>
> Photos here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/Uwd2xf85h3VCjERy5
>
>
> Please reply off list. 
>
>
> Thanks, 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
>
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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