[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I had the opportunity to take a Gus Boots on an extended test ride in the Mount Diablo State Park. My test ride included all terrain types from tarmac to a steep singletrack decent down a rocky spine. My opinion is Gus is the most hili (mountain bikey) of the Rivendell lineup. It’s really a really fun and capable bike. I have also ridden a Hunq. I love both bikes. If both bikes were in my stable I don’t think the Hunq would be the primary trail bike. Gus Boots wins the trail spot and the Hunq would be the faster hili-country bike. My thoughts are if you have a Hunq already go for the Gus Boots because the threadless set up will give you more stem and handlebar options that are up to MTB strength. For someone that doesn’t have a Hunq and wants a Rivendell with greater tire clearance then a Suzie is a great option along with the Clem’s. Just my two cents. Happy trails On Saturday, 16 November 2019 05:05:14 UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > Good morning, > > > > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would you > mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, 2 > for the Susie. > > > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available for > lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the cut-off at > 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending sale changed > this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the bike for > camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping the > Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail bike. > And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive downhilling or > sizable jumps. > > > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up > weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is > heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be > quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the > approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once read(maybe > in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of > you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? I ask > because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, and I’m wondering > how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier stem. > > > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eee05cd8-80b3-4bf7-ad0d-f6a27569c698%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The Sam Hillborne got it right with only the unisex "Hillborne" logo - could/should maybe drop the first name altogether -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/131e50a3-901f-4330-8dc8-9f417f0edc5c%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell
After reading about the soaps in this thread, I ordered all kinds they have.. 2 each! After receiving them it feels like I'm all stocked up for next couple of years. Because they are HUGE! On Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:41:47 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > 3 tubes, 2 shifter cables and 2 Rivendell Flyer stickers. In my defense I > just bought a whole frame a month ago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f852b87e-c9bf-4ffc-b9af-e281a6a15f79%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell
3 tubes, 2 shifter cables and 2 Rivendell Flyer stickers. In my defense I just bought a whole frame a month ago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5d4ba01b-19f6-47b7-9527-4bec1db33dec%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I was going to buy the susie purely because I have a quill stem bullmoose I want to use on it. Wont be carrying loads and only weigh 75kg. I agree with others that I love all the names but i wish there was only one name per bike. Would totally buy the susie longbolts over the wolbis slugstone because its just a better name for a bike. Don't care about genders for objects, never have. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e586548a-d8e6-4e51-8609-951722578f79%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Oh, swoon, Alex! I’ll speak for this trio when I say we love you madly. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 16, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles > <4824...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I’ll chime in and say that as a man that has never really identified with > the “manly man” persona, discovering the Just Ride ethos was very satisfying > for me. Rivendell is the obvious pioneer and champion for this movement > since 1994. > > Fast forward to Leah, Ana and Roberta participating in the forum (and in > person!). My heart really does skip a beat. Thank you for being part of this > little community > > Alex Wirth > Rochester, NY > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-u5zH7CsTEU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/314504c4-147c-40f8-b2a3-1b57693c062e%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/18F76965-1CFE-41E0-926A-1E87E575BB03%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell
Grabbed a restock of their flat brim hat from them today. It seemed like the right thing to do, even if it wasn't much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/47eecb79-bd8a-4659-89cd-a703e42001b6%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Yes, Wolbis Slugstone. Yes, all funky names. Just don’t want Susie on the side of the bike. What’s wrong with that? Why are people getting defensive? That’s just my preference. If that were the ONLY bike I was after that had inimitable features I absolutely must have, then sure. I’ll buy it. But there are many other choices. On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > Paul, there's another name on the other side of Susie. Wolbis? I can't > remember.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7c8e409c-efec-4279-b0c4-743d8584ae95%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I’ll chime in and say that as a man that has never really identified with the “manly man” persona, discovering the Just Ride ethos was very satisfying for me. Rivendell is the obvious pioneer and champion for this movement since 1994. Fast forward to Leah, Ana and Roberta participating in the forum (and in person!). My heart really does skip a beat. Thank you for being part of this little community Alex Wirth Rochester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/314504c4-147c-40f8-b2a3-1b57693c062e%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
Here's my perspective, it is a subjective opinion in a world of bicycles where people froth at the mouth over the most inconsequential details. I own and ride regularly; a 63cm Waterford Homer (2012) MIT 60cm Sam double TT with sidepulls (2013) 58cm Appaloosa (2017) I would never describe the ride of any of these bikes as sporty. The Homer is still the most beautiful thing in the whole world with its more traditional geometry and I still ride it every single day because it is my commuter. On the weekends though I'm riding my appaloosa on the trails. I find it so easy to power up a hill in the saddle with a high cadence with that mad wheelbase to the point that when i ride my Sam up the same trail i find myself popping wheelies or losing traction using the same technique. Descents again the long wheelbase is superior. Even on tight single track i find I'm working with the bike instead of being out of the saddle and whipping the bike around under me I feel like I'm in the bike surfing the berms. It's radically different and just wonderful. The current line up of Rivs just aren't as pretty as the used to be (I still wish I'd bought a Hunq when i could've) but they are getting better and better to actually ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c3d81005-d4f6-4070-b29d-2f0fbef41261%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
On the other side of my thought, I don't think this is a thing with younger folks at all. They grew up with mountain bikes that pretty much only came with dropped toptubes, that's just what a bicycle looks like to them. I suspect some of those kids encounter level-tube road bikes, try to swing a leg over and wonder what the heck THAT was about! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1e36cc81-41e4-4bde-b202-ed4b1c5d6d13%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
To me, trying not to offend anyone, offends everyone. Trying to please everyone pleases no one. It's as if being oneslef, literally being alive is never good enough so one must forever compromise one's inherent wisdom and peace and joy for the sake of "something else". Someone elses idea of how one oughta be, and those someone elses don't have a clue as they are only repeating what they too were told. It's all bunk as no one has any right or authority over anyone else, over Life Itself. You know I once bought a used fleece pullover from Poshmark, sold as a mens XL. When I got it I knew it was different, tapered cuffs, scooped sides and left handed buttons. Leah knows it was a womens ! You know what, I love it and the detail to it, it has some style, it's not "squared" off like mens stuff. That it's a womens means nothing much as I see clothing for what it is, clothing. Whatever feels good to wear, wear it. The only difference is the cuts of the fabric, which comes down to style. I like stylecurves and swoops and variation. The point here is a bike is a bike, the name is like an adornment to the paint and frame. The name doesn't say anything good, bad or anything else about the rider, the manufacturer or anyone. It doesn't make someone something they are not, or unmake what they are that they are. Ride on ever smiling in all the boundless joy of Being weee ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/16cf4a81-4049-45de-bbda-2f2c52267aba%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
On the mixte/step-thru topic - which is kinda separate from the names thing - I think there's some stigma for us older guys left over from a marketing angle prevalent in our formative years. I was looking at old Schwinn Paramount catalogues a while back and the mixte was literally called Ladies Model, a dude wouldn't have been caught dead riding one. Which of course is silly, we're talking about a toptube welded THERE on the seattube instead of THERE. But am I a totes woke fellow who was always cool with them? Nope! I own a gorgeous Clem L now and love it, but in a past that probably wasn't as long ago as I'd like to admit I would have shied away from it. Cuz old guys don't change easy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5614e3c8-304b-49be-8b44-5dd7bb497b8c%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Aye, Leah. Someday, when budget and availability allow, our youngest two daughters will get their life-long Clementines, but alas, they will have Clem stickers and they are a bit dismayed at the prospect. I'm offended by the things people are offended by and the things they aren't. Eye rollin' sardonic grin. Fortunately, my lassies are feminine enough to handle riding a mixte bike named after a sewer rat named Clem. When a man rides a mare do his bits shrink? Or when a woman rides a stallion is she less feminine? I'm too dumb to understand if I understand these things better than most or am hopelessly lost. Grin. Thank heaven I can put me feet in the stirrups and ride, whatever the name of the steed. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/83870251-93a0-4e67-a313-1bf40b88945a%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
"I have a 1992 XO-1 as well which is clearly a very, very different bike than you'd see Grant make today. Is that because he's a lot more experienced now, or because his priorities have shifted as he's gotten older?" It's definitely both. Grant is a better, more evolved, and better equipped bike designer now. And his priorities have definitely evolved: He cares about ride quality more than he used to, and he obsesses about design details much more than he did at B-Stone, and he has completely liberated himself from bicycle shapes that appear traditional or conventional to the eye. Grant used to be called a retro-grouch. True retro-grouches dislike most Rivendells today, because they are the polar opposite of conventional nostalgic designs. They are the most advanced, unconventional and fearless shaped bikes out there. I'd possibly include Jones in the same category: a designer who cares only about performance and not about conventional appearance. Rivendell used to be a place to buy conventional looking, 'old looking' bikes. Now it's a place to buy great performing bikes that may be funny looking to some observers, and downright ugly to traditionalists. If bike design hit it's apex in the 1930s France, Rivendells aren't for you. If bike design hit it's apex in 1980s Italy, Rivendells aren't for you, etc. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 2:53:40 PM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote: > > At least from an armchair engineer perspective, and I recognize the > limitations and dangers of doing so, I agree. I've felt for a lot of years > that Grant's designs have matured along with himself. I have a 1992 XO-1 as > well which is clearly a very, very different bike than you'd see Grant make > today. Is that because he's a lot more experienced now, or because his > priorities have shifted as he's gotten older? I tend to think it's as much > the latter as it is the former. As someone in their late 30's, I tend to > prefer his designs from when he was around that age (but no 700c for me, > because 650b is so abundant now) > > > > On Saturday, 16 November 2019 13:55:44 UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: >> >> The current Riv line up just isn't my thing. The older Riv line up >> was perfect for me and 6 years ago I would have been completely happy with >> any of them. I bought a 54cm Hunqapillar first, because I thought it was >> the most adaptable, and I think it's perfect running on any tire between >> 38mm to 55mm. I love that bike. >> >>For me, the current ones don't have the same magic. But that's just me. >> >>I think anyone should ride the new Riv lineup and/or find an older >> model if they wish to see what suits them best. >> >>Everyone is different! >> >> John >> >> >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:23:31 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> " but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one" >>> >>> TRADE!?!?!? Hell no! Always buy more bikes. Keep what you've got, and >>> keep buying more. More bikes! >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: From an 85cm PBH viewpoint, I think you would really need to ride both the old and new Homers to see what you like. I have an older 57cm Homer and a 54cm Hunqapillar ,and I've ridden one of the new longer wheel base Rivs. It was a nice riding bike, but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one. The geometry of the older models is perfect for me, but I can only speak for myself. John >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fdc09f74-7dec-4cf1-941c-df82e41d90a2%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Thanks, guys. I’m glad you can see it from my vantage point. I should clarify - I’m perfectly ok with men preferring masculine details and women preferring feminine details, whatever that all means, and I’m not looking to make everything genderless or neutral. I don’t expect you all to start riding pink and purple bikes with lace doilies on them or anything. I wouldn’t ride a bike that was lime green and black and called THE DEATH STAR because it’s just not me. So, maybe I’m guilty of this to some degree as well. But I just don’t like it when things like a 6 inch long name on a decal or a sloping top tube make a bike undesirable, simply because it’s got a feminine connotation. Also, what is it that makes the feminine connotation a bad thing? I’ve been privileged to know women with unimaginable strength and goodness and wisdom, and so have you. I think it would be nice for Rivendell, if they’re going to choose people names, to represent both sexes and not have customers being offended that their model might have a woman’s name on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/adfbb396-f6e2-47a6-877b-ced6c3879d0d%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Agreed wholeheartedly Leah. I’ve had the same thoughts. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/24017bea-9c2f-457c-aedb-2e5adaee31b1%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
You make very good points, Leah, and I hope you don't receive any harsh responses for them. Cycling still has a ways to go, like most things, when it comes to these issues. Probably stems from most people's lack of imagination when it comes to putting oneself in someone else's shoes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/94094581-1f3a-4123-a51e-e982898cffb8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
At least from an armchair engineer perspective, and I recognize the limitations and dangers of doing so, I agree. I've felt for a lot of years that Grant's designs have matured along with himself. I have a 1992 XO-1 as well which is clearly a very, very different bike than you'd see Grant make today. Is that because he's a lot more experienced now, or because his priorities have shifted as he's gotten older? I tend to think it's as much the latter as it is the former. As someone in their late 30's, I tend to prefer his designs from when he was around that age (but no 700c for me, because 650b is so abundant now) On Saturday, 16 November 2019 13:55:44 UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: > > The current Riv line up just isn't my thing. The older Riv line up was > perfect for me and 6 years ago I would have been completely happy with any > of them. I bought a 54cm Hunqapillar first, because I thought it was the > most adaptable, and I think it's perfect running on any tire between 38mm > to 55mm. I love that bike. > >For me, the current ones don't have the same magic. But that's just me. > >I think anyone should ride the new Riv lineup and/or find an older > model if they wish to see what suits them best. > >Everyone is different! > > John > > > On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:23:31 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> " but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one" >> >> TRADE!?!?!? Hell no! Always buy more bikes. Keep what you've got, and >> keep buying more. More bikes! >> >> :) >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: >>> >>> From an 85cm PBH viewpoint, I think you would really need to ride both >>> the old and new Homers to see what you like. >>> >>> I have an older 57cm Homer and a 54cm Hunqapillar ,and I've ridden one >>> of the new longer wheel base Rivs. It was a nice riding bike, but I'd never >>> trade my older Rivs for one. The geometry of the older models is perfect >>> for me, but I can only speak for myself. >>> >>> John >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/166cd67f-eea8-4f1d-aac0-a9d2bd97b23e%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I'm with you, Leah. Men who tell you they aren't man enough to ride a mixte are telling you about themselves, not about the bike. Men who tell you they can't enjoy a bike named Susie are telling you about themselves, not about the name Susie, and certainly nothing about the bike. Keep speaking your mind. I'm with you and would gladly be on your side if anybody responds harshly. Not that it matters, but when I bought a Rivendell step-through, I went out of my way to buy a Betty Foy. When my wife bought a Rivendell step-through, she went out of her way to buy an Yves Gomez. :) Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 2:34:02 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > > Hmm...the name, the name I have thought about this issue many times > and I think I’m finally ready to say something about it. I expect to get > some harsh responses, but hopefully it’s not because you think I’m being > harsh; I am merely intending to have a conversation with you. Pretend there > is coffee. > > Rivendell has fans of both the male and female variety. Clearly, I’m in > the latter group, so that is from where my perspective is coming to you. > Over the years I’ve heard plenty of comments like “Oh, I love that bike > except that it’s a mixte.” Or “I don’t know if I’m man enough to ride the > Cheviot/Betty.” Once someone told me that he wouldn’t ever consider a mixte > frame (due to its feminine connotation and nothing else) until he was old > and feeble, and EVEN THEN, he’d still try to avoid it in favor of a diamond > frame. Grant obliterated the name Clementine in favor of Clem Smith, Jr so > as to take gender out of it, but really, just the feminine name was > eliminated and a masculine replaced it. That one hurt. The new Hillibikes > are being offered with two names, one feminine, and it seems like some > consider that a knock against the bike. To say you can’t live with Susie > Longbolts (sp) but Gus Boots Willsen is great seems unlikely. They are both > goofy names. > > 2 issues: > 1. Why does it seem feminine names are polarizing? What is it about a > mixte or step-through that a man might see as threatening to their > masculinity? Is femininity seen as derogatory? Weak? Shameful? What? > 2. Why are women expected to ride bikes with male names and not be > offended? A man can’t ride a bike with the name Clementine because it > doesn’t represent him, but a women is expected to ride her Joe Appaloosa, > or her Clem Smith Jr without complaint. > > Leah > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ab2323f2-7c5e-4604-b539-f9305e08d66a%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Hmm...the name, the name I have thought about this issue many times and I think I’m finally ready to say something about it. I expect to get some harsh responses, but hopefully it’s not because you think I’m being harsh; I am merely intending to have a conversation with you. Pretend there is coffee. Rivendell has fans of both the male and female variety. Clearly, I’m in the latter group, so that is from where my perspective is coming to you. Over the years I’ve heard plenty of comments like “Oh, I love that bike except that it’s a mixte.” Or “I don’t know if I’m man enough to ride the Cheviot/Betty.” Once someone told me that he wouldn’t ever consider a mixte frame (due to its feminine connotation and nothing else) until he was old and feeble, and EVEN THEN, he’d still try to avoid it in favor of a diamond frame. Grant obliterated the name Clementine in favor of Clem Smith, Jr so as to take gender out of it, but really, just the feminine name was eliminated and a masculine replaced it. That one hurt. The new Hillibikes are being offered with two names, one feminine, and it seems like some consider that a knock against the bike. To say you can’t live with Susie Longbolts (sp) but Gus Boots Willsen is great seems unlikely. They are both goofy names. 2 issues: 1. Why does it seem feminine names are polarizing? What is it about a mixte or step-through that a man might see as threatening to their masculinity? Is femininity seen as derogatory? Weak? Shameful? What? 2. Why are women expected to ride bikes with male names and not be offended? A man can’t ride a bike with the name Clementine because it doesn’t represent him, but a women is expected to ride her Joe Appaloosa, or her Clem Smith Jr without complaint. Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ab214447-e813-41b9-81cf-14a4f0148b03%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
The current Riv line up just isn't my thing. The older Riv line up was perfect for me and 6 years ago I would have been completely happy with any of them. I bought a 54cm Hunqapillar first, because I thought it was the most adaptable, and I think it's perfect running on any tire between 38mm to 55mm. I love that bike. For me, the current ones don't have the same magic. But that's just me. I think anyone should ride the new Riv lineup and/or find an older model if they wish to see what suits them best. Everyone is different! John On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:23:31 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > " but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one" > > TRADE!?!?!? Hell no! Always buy more bikes. Keep what you've got, and > keep buying more. More bikes! > > :) > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: >> >> From an 85cm PBH viewpoint, I think you would really need to ride both >> the old and new Homers to see what you like. >> >> I have an older 57cm Homer and a 54cm Hunqapillar ,and I've ridden one >> of the new longer wheel base Rivs. It was a nice riding bike, but I'd never >> trade my older Rivs for one. The geometry of the older models is perfect >> for me, but I can only speak for myself. >> >> John >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fd3b1514-c304-4a41-be69-8eb4b5855f16%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Paul, there's another name on the other side of Susie. Wolbis? I can't remember.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fb39a55f-14af-4bf7-90d4-8893e0b7ceb8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] WTB 57cm A. Homer Hilsen
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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Edgar, check the demo bikes Grant took with him to Rivelo. My recollection is the blue Gus had 29er wheels and the orange Susie 27.5. So Large and Medium? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3c7e4921-ad14-4add-88a8-20645055f5e0%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I am 165lbs, so close to you. If I were considering those two, I’d go Susie. I would appreciate the lighter tubing and a bit of flex when bouncing downhill. I’ve always appreciated the extra springiness of lighter steel tubes. Especially the fork. Threaded, threadless. Despite the threaded weighing a bit more, as noted above, I’d venture to say Susie will feel more lively. The only negative would be the name itself. I don’t know if I can ride a bike with Susie Longbolt down the side. Plus, I love the name Gus Boots Wilsen. Wish Rivendell placed the stickers outside of the clear coat like Surly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd2bdf95-dd7e-45d5-8e7d-a21c1b383033%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Hi Joe, What size did you use for the test ride? Edgar > On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:40 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > David: Your question is fine, the only reason I even know there's a weight > difference between stem styles is Riv mentioned it! > > I did very short around around-the-building rides on both bikes at RBW a few > weeks ago. I'm 195 lbs. and technically out of the running for a Susie, but > it felt livelier and I liked it better, and that orange is gorgeous. And I > like quill stems. Get you one! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75de021d-eed6-45d8-873d-73207ccd0e0c%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/00B9140E-CE79-477F-88EC-24D26A3F80FE%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
" but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one" TRADE!?!?!? Hell no! Always buy more bikes. Keep what you've got, and keep buying more. More bikes! :) Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: > > From an 85cm PBH viewpoint, I think you would really need to ride both > the old and new Homers to see what you like. > > I have an older 57cm Homer and a 54cm Hunqapillar ,and I've ridden one > of the new longer wheel base Rivs. It was a nice riding bike, but I'd never > trade my older Rivs for one. The geometry of the older models is perfect > for me, but I can only speak for myself. > > John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/21efb9bd-c254-40e8-bacc-bdb97805ba96%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
John, Ryan; Good insights, personally I have a 80.5 cm pbh so I think that colours my opinion. I am pretty low between the wheels compared to tall folks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2aec914f-cddd-41f4-9a1e-2441470d15c6%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
From an 85cm PBH viewpoint, I think you would really need to ride both the old and new Homers to see what you like. I have an older 57cm Homer and a 54cm Hunqapillar ,and I've ridden one of the new longer wheel base Rivs. It was a nice riding bike, but I'd never trade my older Rivs for one. The geometry of the older models is perfect for me, but I can only speak for myself. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9cf533b8-07e8-4e8c-90cc-f27dec09f6bb%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
David: Your question is fine, the only reason I even know there's a weight difference between stem styles is Riv mentioned it! I did very short around around-the-building rides on both bikes at RBW a few weeks ago. I'm 195 lbs. and technically out of the running for a Susie, but it felt livelier and I liked it better, and that orange is gorgeous. And I like quill stems. Get you one! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75de021d-eed6-45d8-873d-73207ccd0e0c%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Deacon Patrick! Long time no hear— it’s great to see you back commenting on the forums again. Here’s hoping we’ll see lots more of your thoughtful and insightful posts in the future. The web’s not the same without you friend. All the best, ~Mark Raleigh, NC > On Nov 16, 2019, at 14:21, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > > I'm 200 lbs and ride my fixed gear Quickbeam on most everything as my gofast > MTB, much as you describe using your future hillybike. I love it. So long as > you ride "light" (unweight the saddle for the technical bits), you'll do > fine. I expect the Susie is beefier than the QB. Grin. > > However, I would suggest you may want to consider switching the roles of the > Hunq and hillybike. I've ridden the prototype Gus for 9 months and it takes > loads on rough roads, loose dirt, mud, rocks, climbs, descents, even better > than the Hunq due to the long wheelbase and wide tires. My Hunq is my gofast > wintery bike (it's converted to fixed gear) and it is brilliant for that. If > you do go that route, the Gus is the way to go. Or go nuts and get one of > each. Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> >> >> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes >> and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would >> you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, >> 2 for the Susie. >> >> >> >> As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available >> for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the >> cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending >> sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the >> bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. >> >> >> >> I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any >> appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that >> takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping >> the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail >> bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive >> downhilling or sizable jumps. >> >> >> >> So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? >> >> >> >> Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have >> this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, >> the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up >> weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is >> heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be >> quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the >> approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once >> read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. >> For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the >> ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, >> and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier >> stem. >> >> >> >> Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help >> stop me from driving myself crazy. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d03cfe8c-8600-4df3-bf49-7e021b13250d%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/125E7D7E-91F1-4D53-ABF7-C95876A934D9%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I'm 200 lbs and ride my fixed gear Quickbeam on most everything as my gofast MTB, much as you describe using your future hillybike. I love it. So long as you ride "light" (unweight the saddle for the technical bits), you'll do fine. I expect the Susie is beefier than the QB. Grin. However, I would suggest you may want to consider switching the roles of the Hunq and hillybike. I've ridden the prototype Gus for 9 months and it takes loads on rough roads, loose dirt, mud, rocks, climbs, descents, even better than the Hunq due to the long wheelbase and wide tires. My Hunq is my gofast wintery bike (it's converted to fixed gear) and it is brilliant for that. If you do go that route, the Gus is the way to go. Or go nuts and get one of each. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d03cfe8c-8600-4df3-bf49-7e021b13250d%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: XL Gus Bike sell-a-thon (help large bike owners)
Sorry about my original post. The was not intending to fish for sales or make a posting that broke list rules. There was concern on the I-BOB list. I will prepare proper individual FS listings for the Rivendells here during the coming week. The others I will post most where I feel is most appropriate. As always contact me with DM once the actual ad posts to grab you place in the queue. Thank you. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/89f32dd7-8c7a-4796-9b31-443104a42808%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
Totally agree! Just harder to find. On Friday, 15 November 2019 08:57:12 UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote: > > What you want is a Saluki. > > Sent from my iPad > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2fcf51fd-b7bc-4d2a-84cc-1dad471cce0f%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Lug design!
Tom, What are the dates of your class and what size frame are you intending to build. Doug is amazing this is bucket list material. So jealous! Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e9b8ecc5-61ac-4bc6-b641-9c12c86886bc%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
Jason, I bring a different perspective because I come to this with a long legged perspective (99.5 PBH). I ride 67cm frames and up generally. In the XL sizes I find a difference between the old school single top tube traditional near parallel (less than 2* rise) diamond framed bikes and strongly prefer them to the new Atlantis and Homer Hilsen. Their are many other tall brethren who share my feelings based on the fact that I have collected and sold many and the demand is crazy high fortunately. Part of this is probably certainly the elimination of 65+cm offerings (RIP 65 Chem H). Yes all the extra long chainstayed /wheelbase newer models built in Taiwan are stupendously built, wonderfully stable and still ride lively and fast with the correct engine and setting. I would never likely question Bill Lindsay’s personal insights yet unlike Manny to my knowledge he has not ridden many monster Rivendell bikes. That said the rider inquiring is much closer to Bill’s size than mine. Sometimes there are variables than readers of the list should consider outside of the direct rhetoric being presented. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ad2eaec-ce9a-47eb-b223-5485597aa3d0%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Knowing little more about the two bikes other than what you've described, I'd certainly go for the Susie if it were me! It sounds like the more lively bike, unloaded, and if you're riding at a fairly relaxed pace, I think all the more reason to inject some liveliness. Plus, the additional flex I'm assuming it has will make it more comfortable over the rough stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b10bdde6-9d3f-4280-b50d-79e7e5bdccac%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The OP asked a number of questions. Here are my answers to those questions: 1. So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? Given your weight and purpose I would suggest the Susie 2. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? Yes it is 3. Does any one known what the approximate weight difference is between the two? Yes I do. Given that the frame and fork are already constructed, and assuming you'll go for the same fit using the identical handlebar with either conceptual build, then the only three components that are different are the headset, the stem and the steertube length. Headsets all weigh roughly 100 grams. Really really light ones weigh under 90g. Super heavy ones maybe weigh 140g. The headset for the Gus will be 1-1/8" (heavier) and threadless (lighter). The headset for the Susie will be 1" (lighter) and threaded (heavier). I'd put that difference at 1 ounce or less, all told, and my guess is that it will be the Gus headset that is lighter by let's call it 15g. The steertube for the Gus will be 1-1/8" and will be 25-75mm longer, depending on where you are running your bars. 1-1/8" threadless steerers weigh about 1 gram per millimeter. So the Gus fork steerer will be 25-75 grams heavier. The stem you run on the Gus will be threadless. A light mountain bike stem may be 150g. Something like a Nitto Bullmoose threadless stem is more like 220g. A Nitto Technomic Deluxe or dirt drop quill stem weighs about 300g. So, it depends but you could conceive of a Gus setup weighing up to 200g less than a Susie setup which would offset 7oz or so. You could also easily imagine a Gus setup offsetting 50g or less, making it an inconsequential wash. 4 I believe I once read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? Yes it is. That comment is almost certainly from Mark Abele's own work. He is a racer and he is meticulous so he weighs everything and cares about weight. On two hypothetical builds for him, he'd be comparing 1" threaded to 1" threadless. There the differences would be somewhat more pronounced. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 4:05:14 AM UTC-8, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b0ecb849-b6f8-4796-a4b1-b7eb52e95cbd%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: XL Gus Bike sell-a-thon (help large bike owners)
Hey Ryan, I sent you an email but it was blocked by your server. I am interested in your Hilsen. Please send pictures and your asking price to marketze at yahoo.com. Thanks, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9abae918-9a4e-478e-b564-659a2702af08%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I read OP’s question to be more about overall rider weight recommendations, rather than weight difference between threaded and threadless steerers. In my totally unprofessional opinion, you’d be fine on a Susie. I have 20 lbs on you, and I might go with a Susie just so a) I have a bike with my mom’s nickname and b) I prefer threaded steerers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fe8a8df2-5740-41cd-91f5-2c599d5e4a26%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Yes no tigged versions last I heard. Although that was the original plan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d5bf4ad3-5647-4d04-a85f-dc61e6364ebe%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Will both styles be fillet brazed? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/69d9b1de-f555-4b8c-8506-9c2650200413%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
100%. Susie I have had many discussions with Grant and Will on the variables you are inquiring about other than the stem. I am grabbing one of each Gus for 51 year old me, Susie 26 year old son. He is 180-185 who intends to use exactly like you. Whereas I am 220-230 who intends to use it exactly like you also. Unlike you I have Bombadils for loafed touring. Enjoy your new bike. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6cf76fde-9bf1-41aa-8243-4000fba4dc10%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I suggest you base your choice on non weight factors. E.g. Which head badge do you like better, Which name do you like better, Which stem style do you prefer (for reasons like ease of adjustment, security of clamping, availability of stems, etc) What the seat post diameter is, and are there posts you like with that diameter? etc. That said, yes rbw suggested weight difference between quill and threadless setups is in the ballpark. However specific component choices matter if you are counting ounces (or grams), which stem and bar you use can save (or add) a few to several ounces. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0a010265-6fad-42a9-852a-30e9583e3e7d%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Weight may not be a primary consideration for Riv riders but there's no reason to ride a heavier bike if there is an option for a lighter one, especially as the OP has clearly described his plan to ride this for sport without bags and racks. How about we keep the tone friendly? I'd say go for the lighter one unless you think you'll like the stiffer ride that I assume comes with the heavier tubing and threadless. For me, threadless frames are stiffer on the rough stuff. Brynnar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9f57736e-5198-4e7d-a6be-3ec52211b94f%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Sounds like your description mirrors the Susie ad copy rather closely... I think it's very cool Riv is introducing an updated design specifically for trail riding! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/672fae87-97e0-479b-b6bd-e65a1a9af2f8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The larger diameter tubing in the Gus is functional for the purposes of stabilizing larger loads/riders. The idea of "saving weight" and it's desirability seems to ingrained in the cycling world that few question it. Do question it to your own satisfaction ! Does less weight alone really make for a "better" cycling experience ? Really, better than what ? Sez who , and what makes that who any authority that you are not ? Chasing weight is hilarious in so many ways, among them few consider the one actually riding the bike ! In gest .Oh, what about that water and bottles ? Oh ... that's gotta go ! Food ? Nope, there's no place for that , either carrying it or even eating it. Lightweight cycling runs on "ether" you know !!! Clothing ? Not even Ahahaahahaha ! Seriously though, I only consider the bar/stem combo I'll be using. If I was surely going to use a certain 31.8 bar all that's need is a 31.8 threadless stem. What height and angle ? Do I mind having potential extra steer tube above the stem ? Answer for yourself ! There are fewer 31.8 quill stems so if that seems like a good idea one better know what's really available beforehand. A threadless quill adapter allows for all use with any threadless stem. Usable quill heights range from very little to quite high.. I've used the VO/Genetic brand one for years and I don't even think about. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0c800524-c110-481a-bbfa-25ae433ed7bf%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I've no specific knowledge of either frame as I don't do that kind of riding. A better question might be where does a gap exist in your stable of bikes? (if you have 7 Riv's you may not have much/any gap). You cite the Hunq for the heavy loaded stuff and that you'll go load-free with no extreme riding on the Gus/Susie. That right there would steer me towards the lighter Susie. Perhaps the best question is what do you prefer: threaded or threadless? There are pros & cons of each. Do you already have a bunch of stems of one type, that might inform your decision as well as it would allow you to better dial in fit. Despite his prickly reply, I do agree with Steve that the minuscule weight difference of the headset doesn't matter. Happy shopping, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5c18d36c-26c7-41e7-8a91-cec5802e4ec1%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Ouch! Steve, I’m a long time believer in Rivendell’s design philosophy and am the proud owner of 7 of their bikes. I was simply asking for help in deciding between two of their frames that are distinguished only by their weight -- 12oz or less. But thanks for letting me know my question wasn’t a good one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/03660436-bb4e-455f-974e-6e42e40488e1%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
On 11/16/19 7:05 AM, David Wadstrup wrote: Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier stem. Given that it's Rivendells we're talking about, the weight difference between an otherwise identiical quill stem-equipped bike compared with one with a threadless setup is entirely insignificant. If whatever the difference is is something that matters to you, you probably shouldn't be looking at a Rivendell in the first place. -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6b5954ad-931c-bdc8-1966-d7e06e2f38f6%40his.com.
[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Good morning, I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, 2 for the Susie. As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive downhilling or sizable jumps. So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier stem. Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help stop me from driving myself crazy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/51b866d5-06cc-40cc-a619-ba22007206e6%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics
There comes that time when it's either jump off into the "unknown/abyss" or don't. You can ask for opinions about "what's it like" all day long, but your experience will never ever ever be like any other. Riding a bike is no different, let alone any other moment. You can ask "what's it's like" of endless people and there will be endless answers of varying conviction. None can prepare you or dictate to you what your ride will be like. Why ? Because Life isn't a cookie cutter prefabricated/duplicated experience. Every moment is unique and original. A frame's ride qualities don't exist in a vacuum all by themselves. What "measuring/accountings" fail to account for is not only the one measuring, but all "everything else" in real-time, which is really Infinite . never the same/twice, never duplicated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5ae9db3b-7de2-4443-a3c0-5cefaf6cb816%40googlegroups.com.
