[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ian, is it this 650b thread with entry by Reed Idlewild on Aug 27, 2018? 
A system of measurements made using a laser level.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!searchin/650b/reed$20kennedy/650b/92pKlfCr8ro/oYP8XLWuAgAJ

David Lipsky

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> When you find the sweet spot for fit, all concerns over frame size will 
> evaporate. Just some small tweaks can make a big difference in feel, so 
> it's worth persevering. Reed Kennedy on the 650b list made a method for 
> perfectly replicating fit from one bike to another, if you wanted to 
> perfectly mimic the Clementine fit.
>
> I tried to link it, but it only linked to my groups homepage. For those 
> more familiar with the google groups interface search "How To: Measure Bike 
> Fit Exactly" (OP Reed Kennedy) on the 650b and possibly iBOB too. Really 
> helpful and well written guide. If anyone could post the correct link, that 
> would be great.
>
>
>
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[dougP]

That's pretty cool.  I too find that messing with the saddlebag is a 
nuisance.  Esp. if you ride 2 bikes, and you like having one bag with all 
your stuff.  This makes it EZ to move that bag back'n'forth.  

dougP

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 5:49:48 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> RBW content--this is on my beloved Joe Appaloosa and I'll be making 
> another one for my A. Homer Hilsen.  I love the Nitto one on the Riv site, 
> but it cannot be used with sprung saddles.
>
> The idea is to have the dowel long enough so the straps won’t work their 
> way off by themselves, but short enough so you can slide the straps off 
> fairly easily.   My dowel is 7 3/8” long and that’s plenty long.
>
> You'll need:
>
> One 7 - 7 ½” long dowel.  I used a ¾” wide dowel, but I suspect a ½” 
> would work just as well.
>
> Two zip ties
>
>  
>
> Zip tie the dowel to the INSIDE side of each saddle bag loop--for the left 
> loop, zip tie to the right; for the right loop, zip tie to the left.   Make 
> it fairly snug, but no need to over tighten.  You need to make sure the 
> dowel won’t slide out on its own.
>
>
> Slide on the pre-buckled bag straps, first one side, and then the other. 
>   Your straps should be sitting just below the saddle loops, in the same 
> position as if you had threaded them thru the loops.   Voila!
>
>
> To remove the bag, just slide the strap from one side first, then the 
> other side.  It helps if there’s a little movement in the dowel.
>
>
> To make the dowel “disappear,” paint it the color of your bag or saddle.  Or, 
> have fun with markers and “art” it up!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[Joe Bernard]

What a sweet hack! Aside from being cheap, I dare say it's also better than the 
Nitto piece. I've tried them several times - several of you own the ones I sold 
- and that metal thingy sticking up with the bag removed is a bugger. If I 
wasn't kicking it swinging a leg over the saddle then I was scraping it on a 
wall in my apartment. Gimme a wood dowel! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[Sky Coulter]

Great idea!

Thanks for sharing it.

Sky in new west

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is brilliant, Roberta! Simple, yet effective.
> 
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ 
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Re: [RBW] Patch makers

[Steven Sweedler]

Try Walter at Falls Creek Outfitters

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 9:41 PM J Imler  wrote:

> I’m interested in having some patches made for a worthy cause. Would
> anyone recommend a maker I should consider?
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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

This is brilliant, Roberta! Simple, yet effective.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ 

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[RBW] Patch makers

[J Imler]

I’m interested in having some patches made for a worthy cause. Would anyone 
recommend a maker I should consider? 

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Re: [RBW] How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[REC (Roberta)]

Patrick,

I started with an idea that the dowel should be about 1 1/2" wider than the 
outside distance of my straps.  They cannot move too much to either side, 
since the "other' strap has a stopping point with the zip tie.So, I 
said to my brother-in-law, "about this long, please."  Until tonight I 
didn't know actually how long he made it, but this works for my fairly 
smooth rides.  If one rides more aggressively or the bike and bag jostles a 
bit when riding, oversized washers on the end would work.  The dowel cannot 
be too long, or else you'd have a hard time slipping the loops off.

I'm not an engineer, but I live in the city and was getting really tired of 
threading my straps thru every time I took off my bag.  And, they are 
harder to thread when there's springs to contend with.

This has worked well for me for the last month or two that I've been riding 
with this set up.  

BTW, the bag is sitting on a rack, but I think this would work well without 
a rack too, but I'd definitely put a "stopping" device on the ends if I 
didn't have a rack.

Roberta

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:15:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Admirably simple, and it looks secure. How do you judge the maximum dowel 
> length -- for security -- that allows easy removal? Simply trial and error?
>
> Perhaps one of the smaller auto hose clamps might be more secure? You can 
> find these at True Value as well as auto parts stores.
>
> I've made pretty effective QR holders for bags by shaping -- cutting and 
> bending -- Nitto-type arms out of stiff aluminum plate, and using a hollow 
> metal rod -- about front axle diameter -- and a front QR; the Nittos are 
> better of course but work best with Brooks-type saddles where the rear 
> rails are near vertical; with Flites and other saddles where the ends of 
> the rails have a less acute upward angle, the Nitto puts the bag quite low. 
> If you can do simple sheet metal cutting and bending, you can for arms that 
> extend pretty much horizontally. I used small U bolts to clamp to the rails.
>
> Sorry, it has been years since I made one and I can't provide photos.
>
> Besides the Nitto, Carradice makes -- besides those models that don't 
> release quickly -- several QR saddle bag holders, including one that must 
> not be commonly sold in the US that hooks into Brooks loops (or I daresay 
> Cyclo or VO clamp-on loops) and cinches around the seatpost. Then there is 
> the Bagman QR model and the SQR.
>
>
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack
>
>
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack
>
> And this seems to be relatively new: 
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/bagman-quick-release-saddlebag-clamp
>
> At least, I don't recall seeing it ~4 years ago when I was looking for QR 
> clamps for my Matthews; perhaps it's not new.
>
> I wish Rivendell would make a Silver-quality bag holder that works with 
> Flite-type saddles (ie, with non-vertical rails); an adaption of the Nitto 
> qr clamp ought to be easy.
>
> Of all the clamps, the SQR holds bags highest -- necessary to carry a bag 
> when there is little distance between tire and saddle, as when you have 
> tires almost 30" tall (29.6").
>
> Patrick Moore, who presently favors the SQR.
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:49 PM REC (Roberta)  > wrote:
>
>> RBW content--this is on my beloved Joe Appaloosa and I'll be making 
>> another one for my A. Homer Hilsen.  I love the Nitto one on the Riv site, 
>> but it cannot be used with sprung saddles.
>>
>> The idea is to have the dowel long enough so the straps won’t work their 
>> way off by themselves, but short enough so you can slide the straps off 
>> fairly easily.   My dowel is 7 3/8” long and that’s plenty long.
>>
>> You'll need:
>>
>> One 7 - 7 ½” long dowel.  I used a ¾” wide dowel, but I suspect a ½” 
>> would work just as well.
>>
>> Two zip ties
>>
>>  
>>
>> Zip tie the dowel to the INSIDE side of each saddle bag loop--for the 
>> left loop, zip tie to the right; for the right loop, zip tie to the left.   
>> Make it fairly snug, but no need to over tighten.  You need to make sure 
>> the dowel won’t slide out on its own.
>>
>>
>> Slide on the pre-buckled bag straps, first one side, and then the other. 
>>   Your straps should be sitting just below the saddle loops, in the same 
>> position as if you had threaded them thru the loops.   Voila!
>>
>>
>> To remove the bag, just slide the strap from one side first, then the 
>> other side.  It helps if there’s a little movement in the dowel.
>>
>>
>> To make the dowel “disappear,” paint it the color of your bag or saddle.  
>> Or, have fun with markers and “art” it up!
>>
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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[REC (Roberta)]

Lambbo--

Actually, I was going to do an oversized washer, but found just having a 
long enough dowel works.  I do think if you rides with more movement than I 
do, it would be a good idea (I don't know anything about rare earth 
magnets).

Roberta



On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:14:53 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> this is really quite smart...one could sink a rare earth magnet into the 
> ends, and slap on an oversized washer, if you're like me and end up 
> swinging your bag around a lot on bumps and corners. 
>  
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> RBW content--this is on my beloved Joe Appaloosa and I'll be making 
>> another one for my A. Homer Hilsen.  I love the Nitto one on the Riv site, 
>> but it cannot be used with sprung saddles.
>>
>> The idea is to have the dowel long enough so the straps won’t work their 
>> way off by themselves, but short enough so you can slide the straps off 
>> fairly easily.   My dowel is 7 3/8” long and that’s plenty long.
>>
>> You'll need:
>>
>> One 7 - 7 ½” long dowel.  I used a ¾” wide dowel, but I suspect a ½” 
>> would work just as well.
>>
>> Two zip ties
>>
>>  
>>
>> Zip tie the dowel to the INSIDE side of each saddle bag loop--for the 
>> left loop, zip tie to the right; for the right loop, zip tie to the left.   
>> Make it fairly snug, but no need to over tighten.  You need to make sure 
>> the dowel won’t slide out on its own.
>>
>>
>> Slide on the pre-buckled bag straps, first one side, and then the other. 
>>   Your straps should be sitting just below the saddle loops, in the same 
>> position as if you had threaded them thru the loops.   Voila!
>>
>>
>> To remove the bag, just slide the strap from one side first, then the 
>> other side.  It helps if there’s a little movement in the dowel.
>>
>>
>> To make the dowel “disappear,” paint it the color of your bag or saddle.  
>> Or, have fun with markers and “art” it up!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[Patrick Moore]

Admirably simple, and it looks secure. How do you judge the maximum dowel
length -- for security -- that allows easy removal? Simply trial and error?

Perhaps one of the smaller auto hose clamps might be more secure? You can
find these at True Value as well as auto parts stores.

I've made pretty effective QR holders for bags by shaping -- cutting and
bending -- Nitto-type arms out of stiff aluminum plate, and using a hollow
metal rod -- about front axle diameter -- and a front QR; the Nittos are
better of course but work best with Brooks-type saddles where the rear
rails are near vertical; with Flites and other saddles where the ends of
the rails have a less acute upward angle, the Nitto puts the bag quite low.
If you can do simple sheet metal cutting and bending, you can for arms that
extend pretty much horizontally. I used small U bolts to clamp to the rails.

Sorry, it has been years since I made one and I can't provide photos.

Besides the Nitto, Carradice makes -- besides those models that don't
release quickly -- several QR saddle bag holders, including one that must
not be commonly sold in the US that hooks into Brooks loops (or I daresay
Cyclo or VO clamp-on loops) and cinches around the seatpost. Then there is
the Bagman QR model and the SQR.

https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack

https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack

And this seems to be relatively new:
https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/bagman-quick-release-saddlebag-clamp

At least, I don't recall seeing it ~4 years ago when I was looking for QR
clamps for my Matthews; perhaps it's not new.

I wish Rivendell would make a Silver-quality bag holder that works with
Flite-type saddles (ie, with non-vertical rails); an adaption of the Nitto
qr clamp ought to be easy.

Of all the clamps, the SQR holds bags highest -- necessary to carry a bag
when there is little distance between tire and saddle, as when you have
tires almost 30" tall (29.6").

Patrick Moore, who presently favors the SQR.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:49 PM REC (Roberta)  wrote:

> RBW content--this is on my beloved Joe Appaloosa and I'll be making
> another one for my A. Homer Hilsen.  I love the Nitto one on the Riv site,
> but it cannot be used with sprung saddles.
>
> The idea is to have the dowel long enough so the straps won’t work their
> way off by themselves, but short enough so you can slide the straps off
> fairly easily.   My dowel is 7 3/8” long and that’s plenty long.
>
> You'll need:
>
> One 7 - 7 ½” long dowel.  I used a ¾” wide dowel, but I suspect a ½”
> would work just as well.
>
> Two zip ties
>
>
>
> Zip tie the dowel to the INSIDE side of each saddle bag loop--for the left
> loop, zip tie to the right; for the right loop, zip tie to the left.   Make
> it fairly snug, but no need to over tighten.  You need to make sure the
> dowel won’t slide out on its own.
>
>
> Slide on the pre-buckled bag straps, first one side, and then the other.
>   Your straps should be sitting just below the saddle loops, in the same
> position as if you had threaded them thru the loops.   Voila!
>
>
> To remove the bag, just slide the strap from one side first, then the
> other side.  It helps if there’s a little movement in the dowel.
>
>
> To make the dowel “disappear,” paint it the color of your bag or saddle.  Or,
> have fun with markers and “art” it up!
>
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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

[lambbo]

this is really quite smart...one could sink a rare earth magnet into the 
ends, and slap on an oversized washer, if you're like me and end up 
swinging your bag around a lot on bumps and corners. 
 

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> RBW content--this is on my beloved Joe Appaloosa and I'll be making 
> another one for my A. Homer Hilsen.  I love the Nitto one on the Riv site, 
> but it cannot be used with sprung saddles.
>
> The idea is to have the dowel long enough so the straps won’t work their 
> way off by themselves, but short enough so you can slide the straps off 
> fairly easily.   My dowel is 7 3/8” long and that’s plenty long.
>
> You'll need:
>
> One 7 - 7 ½” long dowel.  I used a ¾” wide dowel, but I suspect a ½” 
> would work just as well.
>
> Two zip ties
>
>  
>
> Zip tie the dowel to the INSIDE side of each saddle bag loop--for the left 
> loop, zip tie to the right; for the right loop, zip tie to the left.   Make 
> it fairly snug, but no need to over tighten.  You need to make sure the 
> dowel won’t slide out on its own.
>
>
> Slide on the pre-buckled bag straps, first one side, and then the other. 
>   Your straps should be sitting just below the saddle loops, in the same 
> position as if you had threaded them thru the loops.   Voila!
>
>
> To remove the bag, just slide the strap from one side first, then the 
> other side.  It helps if there’s a little movement in the dowel.
>
>
> To make the dowel “disappear,” paint it the color of your bag or saddle.  Or, 
> have fun with markers and “art” it up!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Tom, the Clems. I’ve got it bad. We have enough in my family and extended 
family that I think our family crest should be the Clem headbadge. Forget that 
sewer guy.

I’m agonizing over the stem. I just purchased the 90 and paid to have it 
installed. I wish the bars came just a smidge closer to me, but I don’t think I 
want to pay for all these things all over again. I compromised and moved my 
saddle just a tiny bit, and I still think my butt is behind the pedals, so 
hopefully I’m not screwing up my knees too badly.

But, if I *were* to spurge again and get a new stem, how would I know what size 
to try next? Should I go for an 80 or down to a 70? These are the things that 
make me so sad I don’t live by anyone I know from this List. Curses!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 4:11 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Leah, awesome build you have going!  If you don't already have one of the 
> Riv Clem posters, you need to get one.  You are one with Clem if anyone ever 
> was.
> 
> As for your reach to the bars, I would humbly suggest NOT adjusting your 
> fore-aft position saddle position just yet.  Doing so may not be the right 
> thing for your knees.  The optimal and most comfortable butt-to-crank/pedal 
> horizontal dimension should not be compromised to fix a handlebar reach issue 
> if you can help it.  Rather, get a shorter stem if you can and try that 
> first.  You can actually get a really short reach Nitto Technomic Deluxe long 
> quill stem from Ben's Cycle, all the way down to a 50mm reach for $66:  
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
> 
> As I write this, they have 2 in stock.
> 
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Roberta made me so excited when she went to the Expo - for many reasons, 
actually: she sent me photos, texts, updates, and SHE ALSO told me about this 
fabulous blue. My bike was being shipped so it was very exciting to get to see 
the paint through Roberta’s eyes. And yes, Roberta, I do think you would have 
loved this bike and I do feel I’ve gotten away with something since I ended up 
with it. 

Riv friends are fantastic friends.
Leah



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> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:49 PM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
> 
> 
> I LOVE your new blue Clem, even if the name isn't as good as Clementine! (Let 
> that be our biggest issue of the day! )  You were wise to not let me pick it 
> up in NY and ship it to you, because it might not have made it out of PA.  :) 
>  Blue is my favorite color and I couldn't believe how beautiful "Rivendell 
> blue" is.   I got to see it in person at the Phila Bike Expo.Everyone 
> should take note, since so many of Riv's bikes are "Rivendell blue."  And all 
> those other shades of rich blue in the panniers and other bags, and your 
> shirts make it even better. 
> 
> As you know, I'm so glad it's making you so happy.  Especially nice when that 
> was so unexpected. 
> 
> Roberta
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 12:52:42 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> I’ve had my 2019 blue Clem L for a few weeks now, but it’s taken me awhile 
>> to get it set up for me. It’s still very much a work in progress, but it’s 
>> really turning out to be a spectacular bicycle. As I discussed in a previous 
>> post A Tale of Two Clems, this new Clem is quite different than my 2015 
>> Clementine. The Clementine fit me like a glove with zero need for 
>> adjustments. The new Clem is much longer, which changed a lot for me. I 
>> needed a shorter stem (went from a 12 to a 9...or something), and even so, 
>> I’m probably going to scoot my Brooks a bit forward because I *still* want 
>> the grips closer to me. I’m 5’6” with an 83 cm PBH, but I wonder if the 45 
>> would have fit me like my old Clementine does. 
>> 
>> The Clem also boasts the fancy seat lug I adore, cream fills in the lugwork, 
>> slimmer, lithe-looking tubes and a gorgeous metallic blue paint that no 
>> camera can capture. The bike just begs for blue and more blue, and I’ve 
>> answered it. I’ve come to think of it as the 50 Shades of Blue Bike. 
>> 
>> I got it back from the shop yesterday. It has the new stem, a Nitto Basket 
>> Rack, the Big Bens stolen from the Clementine, and was supposed to have the 
>> Clementine’s fenders. The mechanic got the message mixed up and didn’t 
>> install them, so the Clem is fenderless for now. The same day my Randi Jo 
>> bag arrived, so I added that (the patch was a gift from our Roberta and a 
>> perfect accessory to the bag) and put all my Sackville on the Clem. This 
>> bike is now FORMIDABLE. What can it not do for me now?
>> 
>> I took it out for an hour last night and laughed in the dark for most of the 
>> ride. It is so much FUN. The Clem glides along, confident and strong. It 
>> feels masculine, like its whisking me away somewhere, and I feel like I’m in 
>> good hands. This is huge for me. I do a lot of hand-wringing when I get a 
>> new bike, or even a new bike PART (I cried when I wore out my first set of 
>> tires on the Betty and had to get new ones). I wonder if I’ve made a 
>> mistake. I have visions of the bike falling apart underneath me as I ride 
>> down the mountain on our school route. I rode the Betty exclusively for 
>> nearly 7 years and it never let me down, so the Clem has a lot of live up 
>> to. So far, so good.
>> 
>> I took it to the boys’ school today loaded with: 2 U-locks, a lunchbox, a 
>> laptop, a violin, a clarinet and my small personal effects. No sweat! The 
>> bike shifts effortlessly, climbs just great and doesn’t complain about the 
>> weight it carries. 
>> 
>> I’m still figuring out what grips I want (these black Ergon grips are nice, 
>> but I need brown) and what fenders to get. The SKS on the Clementine are fat 
>> and floppy looking, and the mechanic says the measurements are nearly the 
>> same for the new bike. Meaning, the fenders are going to look just as sloppy 
>> on the Clem, so he didn’t install them. I’ve got the Big Ben tires; does 
>> anyone have a suggestion for good fenders (not metal) that will be a nicer 
>> fit? I love how well the SKS fit and look on my Betty. 
>> 
>> Below are photos from yesterday. You can see the new bike along with the 
>> other 2 I currently have. I’m really more of a 2 bike person, so I’ll likely 
>> be selling the Clementine soon. I also made a fun 1 minute video of my 
>> “shakedown ride” last night but I’m not sure you can view it on this 
>> platform. Knowing that it’s goofy and not at all academic, PM me if you want 
>> to view it anyway and I’ll send it to you. Or, find me on Instagram. It’s a 
>> regular party over there!
>> 
>> Leah
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith

No, you aren't missing anything.  Rivendell clearly just hasn't updated it 
yet on the website.  The old one is still up:  sizing chart 
.
  
They just haven't put up a new one yet.  If you dug the 50 and you felt you 
could stand over the 50 then definitely get a 50.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 4:22:36 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
> I'm right between 78 and 79. If I bought a new Riv, it would probably be 
> an Atlantis. I test rode a 50 cm this summer, it felt great. They said 
> they'd actually recommend a 47, for standover clearance, but the 50 felt 
> comfortable for me.
>
> If anyone has an Atlantis frame in one of those sizes, or a corresponding 
> earlier version, I could be tempted...
>
> But, I am still confused why I can't find PBH on that table. I have to be 
> missing something, right?
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Keith
>>
>> What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a 
>> size for you :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
>>> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
>>> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
>>> something crucial?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit 
 a bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
 reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining 
 fit, 
 and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element 
 of 
 getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
 only, look at your own risk" status to me 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm right between 78 and 79. If I bought a new Riv, it would probably be an
Atlantis. I test rode a 50 cm this summer, it felt great. They said they'd
actually recommend a 47, for standover clearance, but the 50 felt
comfortable for me.

If anyone has an Atlantis frame in one of those sizes, or a corresponding
earlier version, I could be tempted...

But, I am still confused why I can't find PBH on that table. I have to be
missing something, right?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Keith
>
> What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a
> size for you :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
>> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
>> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
>> something crucial?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
>>> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
>>> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
>>> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
>>> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
>>> only, look at your own risk" status to me
>>>
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[RBW] Re: tubeless tire repair & maint Q

[Kellie]

•if using Stan's it's recommended you occasionally clean out rim and tire•I 
don't carry a tube around town, just extra sealant (2 oz.), but on a long 
ride or overnights I carry a tube too (and a repair kit) •I always carry 
tire plugs and a toolkit • sealant here (San Francisco) lasts about 6 
months, then I just add another 2 oz. by removing the valve core.

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 8:11:05 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> I would like some advice on tubeless tire "best practices" please.
> I've recently started riding with tubeless tires (wtb byways) after 
> decades of riding with tubes (and tubulars).
> Though I understand the tubeless setup should be immune to pinch flats, 
> goat heads, wire bits, staples, glass shards etc. worse things can happen. 
> So for now I'm still carrying two tubes, levers, etc. and a frame pump. But 
> I wonder, do most folks just trust in the sealant and leave the repair kit 
> at home? Is one tube plenty? Do folks carry tire plugs on rides? If folks 
> carry plugs do they carry extra sealant in case too much escapes through a 
> big whole prior to installing a plug?
> Also how about periodic sealant checking? How often is prudent? Does one 
> pull the valve core and use a wire as a dip stick to do this? How deep 
> should the sealant be? Should one do a first check fairly soon after 
> initial setup and then go to less frequent checks, or just always check 
> every ?? months?
> TIA
> ted
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[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[tc]

Hey Leah, awesome build you have going!  If you don't already have one of 
the Riv Clem posters, you need to get one.  You are one with Clem if anyone 
ever was.

As for your reach to the bars, I would humbly suggest NOT adjusting your 
fore-aft position saddle position just yet.  Doing so may not be the right 
thing for your knees.  The optimal and most comfortable butt-to-crank/pedal 
horizontal dimension should not be compromised to fix a handlebar reach 
issue if you can help it.  Rather, get a shorter stem if you can and try 
that first.  You can actually get a really short reach Nitto Technomic 
Deluxe long quill stem from Ben's Cycle, all the way down to a 50mm reach 
for $66:  
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product

As I write this, they have 2 in stock.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith

What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a 
size for you :)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
> something crucial?
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  > wrote:
>
>> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a 
>> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
>> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit, 
>> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of 
>> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
>> only, look at your own risk" status to me 
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[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Sam Kling]

I’d go with the lighter frame without a doubt. Rivs are generally very solidly 
built, and a lighter frame means thinner tubing and usually a livelier ride. 

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[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[REC (Roberta)]

I LOVE your new blue Clem, even if the name isn't as good as 
Clementine! (Let that be our biggest issue of the day! )  You were wise to 
not let me pick it up in NY and ship it to you, because it might not have 
made it out of PA.  :)  Blue is my favorite color and I couldn't believe 
how beautiful "Rivendell blue" is.   I got to see it in person at the Phila 
Bike Expo.Everyone should take note, since so many of Riv's bikes are 
"Rivendell blue."  And all those other shades of rich blue in the panniers 
and other bags, and your shirts make it even better. 

As you know, I'm so glad it's making you so happy.  Especially nice when 
that was so unexpected.  

Roberta



On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 12:52:42 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had my 2019 blue Clem L for a few weeks now, but it’s taken me awhile 
> to get it set up for me. It’s still very much a work in progress, but it’s 
> really turning out to be a spectacular bicycle. As I discussed in a 
> previous post A Tale of Two Clems, this new Clem is quite different than my 
> 2015 Clementine. The Clementine fit me like a glove with zero need for 
> adjustments. The new Clem is much longer, which changed a lot for me. I 
> needed a shorter stem (went from a 12 to a 9...or something), and even so, 
> I’m probably going to scoot my Brooks a bit forward because I *still* want 
> the grips closer to me. I’m 5’6” with an 83 cm PBH, but I wonder if the 45 
> would have fit me like my old Clementine does. 
>
> The Clem also boasts the fancy seat lug I adore, cream fills in the 
> lugwork, slimmer, lithe-looking tubes and a gorgeous metallic blue paint 
> that no camera can capture. The bike just begs for blue and more blue, and 
> I’ve answered it. I’ve come to think of it as the 50 Shades of Blue Bike. 
>
> I got it back from the shop yesterday. It has the new stem, a Nitto Basket 
> Rack, the Big Bens stolen from the Clementine, and was supposed to have the 
> Clementine’s fenders. The mechanic got the message mixed up and didn’t 
> install them, so the Clem is fenderless for now. The same day my Randi Jo 
> bag arrived, so I added that (the patch was a gift from our Roberta and a 
> perfect accessory to the bag) and put all my Sackville on the Clem. This 
> bike is now FORMIDABLE. What can it not do for me now?
>
> I took it out for an hour last night and laughed in the dark for most of 
> the ride. It is so much FUN. The Clem glides along, confident and strong. 
> It feels masculine, like its whisking me away somewhere, and I feel like 
> I’m in good hands. This is huge for me. I do a lot of hand-wringing when I 
> get a new bike, or even a new bike PART (I cried when I wore out my first 
> set of tires on the Betty and had to get new ones). I wonder if I’ve made a 
> mistake. I have visions of the bike falling apart underneath me as I ride 
> down the mountain on our school route. I rode the Betty exclusively for 
> nearly 7 years and it never let me down, so the Clem has a lot of live up 
> to. So far, so good.
>
> I took it to the boys’ school today loaded with: 2 U-locks, a lunchbox, a 
> laptop, a violin, a clarinet and my small personal effects. No sweat! The 
> bike shifts effortlessly, climbs just great and doesn’t complain about the 
> weight it carries. 
>
> I’m still figuring out what grips I want (these black Ergon grips are 
> nice, but I need brown) and what fenders to get. The SKS on the Clementine 
> are fat and floppy looking, and the mechanic says the measurements are 
> nearly the same for the new bike. Meaning, the fenders are going to look 
> just as sloppy on the Clem, so he didn’t install them. I’ve got the Big Ben 
> tires; does anyone have a suggestion for good fenders (not metal) that will 
> be a nicer fit? I love how well the SKS fit and look on my Betty. 
>
> Below are photos from yesterday. You can see the new bike along with the 
> other 2 I currently have. I’m really more of a 2 bike person, so I’ll 
> likely be selling the Clementine soon. I also made a fun 1 minute video of 
> my “shakedown ride” last night but I’m not sure you can view it on this 
> platform. Knowing that it’s goofy and not at all academic, PM me if you 
> want to view it anyway and I’ll send it to you. Or, find me on Instagram. 
> It’s a regular party over there!
>
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
something crucial?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
> only, look at your own risk" status to me
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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

That’s a sharp looking Peugeot, Mark!

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[Garth]

 
Close enough Mark, there aren't enough words to describe *that which is 
everything*, including the word itself :) 


My favorite ride, is this One  it's Life Itself ! 
 




On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 7:05:56 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I understand the lighter tubing equals "flexier" "more spirited"  or 
> "planes." I had a L'Avecaise with a 7/4/7 top tube, and currently have a 
> Panasonic DX5000 with same.  My sweet spot is probably 531 with 8/5/8. My 
> point is, both the Suzie and the Gus are OS tubing and likely not the 
> lightest OS tubing, and it might be a bit difficult to feel the difference. 
> But who knows, maybe not.
>
> If I were getting a fillet-brazed HilliBike, I would go with the Suzie 
> because I fall in the designer's recommended weight class, but perhaps 
> also, deep down in that terrible dark place in my cycling soul that rejects 
> the Just Ride ethos, in the hopes that it would be a tad snappier. However, 
> I've been spending quite a bit of my limited saddle time lately on a 
> beautiful red mid eighties Peugeot, and I can tell you JR is where it's at. 
> And nothing much better than a HilliBike of whatever tubing with that 
> objective in mind (or non-mind, or un-mind? No mind? Garth, help me out!)
>
>
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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

PS I forgot to say my sister didn’t buy this Clem because her husband got her 
one for their anniversary. A 2019 bronzey green one. Maybe it was also a gift 
to himself, because she had completely stolen his 59 grilver Clem L. That’s 
love, folks. ❤️

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Ian has asked a very fair question, and I’m happy to answer - I am an open 
book, ask away!

Why does Leah have a perfectly fitted Clementine but plans to sell it in favor 
of a less well-fitted Clem L? 

Because:
1. Leah is not immune to beautiful details.
2. Leah is a minimalist.

The Clementine fell into my lap after my mother in law moved to a nursing home. 
The bike had sat unridden in her garage for over a year. I bought my Betty Foy 
at the end of its production, not knowing a new longer-wheelbase generation of 
Rivs was in the works. I missed the Cheviot by a couple of months. While I 
adore the color scheme of the Betty, I’ve always wanted room for fatter tires 
and to know what all the fuss was about long chainstays. These were things the 
Clementine had, and I was really fortunate to get to bring that bike home. 
Turns out, Rivs new philosophies live up to the hype. That Clementine was 
instantly more comfortable than my Betty, though admittedly, heavier. 

But, the Clementine had no cream accents, was a rather loud aqua color, and had 
an ugly seat lug (I’m sorry, but that’s what I think). I had some frustrating 
recurring shifting issues with the bike, and I think that has something to do 
with space between the frame and derailleur (someone here speaks this language) 
that the newer Clems have fixed. 

The new Clem L fell into my lap because Roberta, a kind and thoughtful soul, 
was looking for a Clem L for my sister, and she stumbled upon this insanely 
good deal out of New York. For the price, it was just dumb not to buy it. I 
couldn’t believe anyone would sell this bike after 2 weeks of owning it, and at 
such a great price. I planned to either give it to one of my two sons when he 
gets big enough, or to sell it later. But when it arrived, it was just so 
beautiful. Cream accents! I’ve never had them! That metallic blue will make you 
swoon, though you need to see it with your own eyes to believe it. I described 
it as a blue-green shot through with glimmer, like sunlight in seawater, and I 
stand by that. Forget about the photos you’ve seen online, they’re trash. This 
bike is a much lovelier and upgraded Clementine. It’s really hard to say no to 
the beauty that the Clem L brings.  I can live with making some adjustments to 
fit because I think my body will get used to the bike and eventually prefer it. 
So, I’m keeping it.

I am going to sell the Clementine because I don’t need two of the same bike. We 
move fairly frequently and I like to travel through life light. I dislike 
clutter and I am wary of just ‘having things’ - I need to use them or they 
gotta go. I only want two bikes, a step through and a mixte - the two best 
bikes Rivendell makes. It’s bad enough that the old Clem H is sitting, waiting 
for a Peterson boy to grow tall enough to ride it, but I’m not having TWO bikes 
sitting in exile. So, the Clementine will brighten someone else’s life soon, 
and she’s a joy-bringer for certain.

Thanks for the help on fit - I’ll be anxious to read it if we can track it down.
Best,
Leah








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> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> When you find the sweet spot for fit, all concerns over frame size will 
> evaporate. Just some small tweaks can make a big difference in feel, so it's 
> worth persevering. Reed Kennedy on the 650b list made a method for perfectly 
> replicating fit from one bike to another, if you wanted to perfectly mimic 
> the Clementine fit.
> 
> I tried to link it, but it only linked to my groups homepage. For those more 
> familiar with the google groups interface search "How To: Measure Bike Fit 
> Exactly" (OP Reed Kennedy) on the 650b and possibly iBOB too. Really helpful 
> and well written guide. If anyone could post the correct link, that would be 
> great.
> 
> Am I the only one wondering why the Clementine doesn't just stay with you? 
> Why the new Clem to replace a perfect one? No justification needed, of 
> course. And the new Clem is clearly superb.
> 
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[RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Ian A]

When you find the sweet spot for fit, all concerns over frame size will 
evaporate. Just some small tweaks can make a big difference in feel, so it's 
worth persevering. Reed Kennedy on the 650b list made a method for perfectly 
replicating fit from one bike to another, if you wanted to perfectly mimic the 
Clementine fit.

I tried to link it, but it only linked to my groups homepage. For those more 
familiar with the google groups interface search "How To: Measure Bike Fit 
Exactly" (OP Reed Kennedy) on the 650b and possibly iBOB too. Really helpful 
and well written guide. If anyone could post the correct link, that would be 
great.

Am I the only one wondering why the Clementine doesn't just stay with you? Why 
the new Clem to replace a perfect one? No justification needed, of course. And 
the new Clem is clearly superb.

IanA


 

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Jason Fuller]

I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a 
bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit, 
and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of 
getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
only, look at your own risk" status to me 

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[RBW] Re: Various Gus Boots Willsen Protobike Photos

[Jan O.]

Thank you for sharing your beautiful photos. Amazing bike and scenery.

Jan
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Yeah, except classy and not that trashy other 50 Shades! We will have no part 
of *that*.

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> 50 Shades of Blue Bike 🤣
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[RBW] Re: Various Gus Boots Willsen Protobike Photos

[Paul Richardson]

these really are great.  amazing colors you capture in the photos--really 
makes me realize how long its been since i've been out west!  thanks for 
sharing.  
paul
takoma park, md.

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[Joe Bernard]

50 Shades of Blue Bike 🤣

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[RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

[Mark Roland]

Awesome.

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[tc]

Good eye.  Unfortunately the current Atlantis page itself still has a snip 
of the old geometry, which does not match the new numbers on the updated 
general geometries page.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Chris L]

I look forward to seeing your new Atlantis!

 



On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Cole wrote:
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> Chris,
>
> I too was interested in the new MIT Atlantis, especially the 55 cm.  While 
> I originally thought the 59 cm would be the appropriate size (I love my 59 
> cm AHH), the change in geometry for the MIT Atlantis has led me to conclude 
> that the 55 cm is the better fit.  In addition, I am more interested in a 
> 700c than the 650b.  That said, I inquired about the geometry of the 55 cm 
> MIT Atlantis with Riv and got this information in response:
>
> top tube slope: 6 degrees
>
> rear spacing; 135mm
>
> seat tube angle: 72 degrees
>
> head tube angle: 70 degree
>
> effective top tube: 61cm
>
> chainstay; 53.5cm
>
> max tire: 2.25"
>
> single top tube
>
>
> After looking at these specs, they seemed a little inconsistent with the 
> other, original MIT Atlantis specs and asked about this.  Grant wrote me to 
> say: "We change, refine, improve as we go. I don't like to show 
> geometries...for this reason. :)".
>
>
> I have a 55 cm on order that will be built up soon after it arrives.  I'll 
> post about it when I get it.
>
>
> Steve Cole
>
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>>
>> I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the 
>> bikes are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in 
>> the bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the 
>> Appaloosa, and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 
>> Atlantis and a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis 
>> and a 54 Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  
>>
>> The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
>> slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
>> one.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bob Lovejoy]

And the potential future Appaloosa sizing would seem to be pretty different 
than the previous version, at least at first glance, most especially with 
relative top tube length.  I understand "just ride" but it seems harder to 
me than it should to keep up with the changes, especially over the years. 
 Studying the correct charts and making calls to Rivendell both seem well 
advised.  

Bob Lovejoy
Cedar Rapids, IA 

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>
> Atlantis preorder is available also. Maybe there will be another run of 
> Appaloosa coming. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Steve Cole]

Chris,

I too was interested in the new MIT Atlantis, especially the 55 cm.  While 
I originally thought the 59 cm would be the appropriate size (I love my 59 
cm AHH), the change in geometry for the MIT Atlantis has led me to conclude 
that the 55 cm is the better fit.  In addition, I am more interested in a 
700c than the 650b.  That said, I inquired about the geometry of the 55 cm 
MIT Atlantis with Riv and got this information in response:

top tube slope: 6 degrees

rear spacing; 135mm

seat tube angle: 72 degrees

head tube angle: 70 degree

effective top tube: 61cm

chainstay; 53.5cm

max tire: 2.25"

single top tube


After looking at these specs, they seemed a little inconsistent with the 
other, original MIT Atlantis specs and asked about this.  Grant wrote me to 
say: "We change, refine, improve as we go. I don't like to show 
geometries...for this reason. :)".


I have a 55 cm on order that will be built up soon after it arrives.  I'll 
post about it when I get it.


Steve Cole

Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>
> I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the bikes 
> are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in the 
> bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the Appaloosa, 
> and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 Atlantis and 
> a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis and a 54 
> Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  
>
> The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
> slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
> one.
>

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[RBW] New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bill Lindsay]

Atlantis preorder is available also. Maybe there will be another run of 
Appaloosa coming. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[ascpgh]

Some of my finest time on a bike have been on the GAP and C&O. 

My favorite two day trip is to go south from Pittsburgh, overnight somewhere 
and reach Cumberland, MD in time to tidy up in the Canal Place bathroom and 
enjoy a meal at the Crabby Pig (at the outdoor bar optimally) and wander over 
to the Amtrak station for the 7:30 pm home. I try to make the trip twice a warm 
season. More other times with a new project under way that won’t limit me to 
the long days.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Various Gus Boots Willsen Protobike Photos

[Bill Schairer]

Amazing pictures!

Bill S

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[tom horton]

jacob, I and a friend followed, loosely, a newish mapped route called the 
Eastern Express…done by Frank Moritz, a seasoned cross country biker and bike 
guide. It goes from Walden, CO to D.C., via the GAP and C&O…follows Katy Trail 
and other lesser trails for about a third of its overall 2000 mile plus length.

It’s only mapped east to west, and we reversed the routes west to east with 
Ride GPS…works ok, but we found that unless you add a number of waypoints, 
reversing routes can cause glitches…one such led us into some unexpected dead 
ends in Colorado before we figured out what was going on.

but overall a good basis for a long ride…at Walden it connects with the 
traditional Adventure Cycliing TransAm route…. worst part of it was eastern 
Colorado, after Fort Collins…not much shoulder and lotsa trucks…we opted to go 
on gravel roads some…slower but less stressful.

We also diverted through Kansas City and St. Louis, with some nice route 
mapping help from Moritz. He’s very responsive to questions about the Eastern 
Express. I don’t know if Adventure Cycling will make it an official route or 
not. I think they did run a group across it, perhaps to check that out.

We did a combo of camping, warmshowers.org, motels, air b and b’s…probably 
carried about 25-30 pounds of gear. I rode my Atlantis and David rode a Surly 
Long Haul Trucker. One flat tire each, and that only because we followed Ride 
with GPS down a thorny rabbit hole due to our glitchy route reversal.

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[Jacob Thies]

Steve, Yes, frigid temps at night (I think the lowest we got to was 20°F).
I have an older EMS zero degree bag and Z mat and slept through the night
just fine. Half a bottle of red wine helped that cause, too. Riding temps
were mainly in the mid 30s to 40s. Double wool socks on the feet and some
robust gloves kept the extremities toasty. Pedaling kept the core warm.
When arriving at camp, before doing anything else, I find the trick is to
immediately get out of the sweaty clothes and into warm night time
clothing. Ideally, the temps would not have been record setting November
freezes, but we definitely made the best of it and was well worth the extra
layers to get some extended time on the bike.

Tom, sweet ride! What route did you take? Follow any of the ACAs or make it
up yourself? GAP is definitely special. As you pointed out, Amtrak does
indeed take fully assembled bikes along the PGH and DC routes. I think we
looked at tickets which were $80 one way (though they throw in a service
fee for the bikes. I'm not sure how much that ended up being). We decided
on the mini van because it was (unfortunately) cheaper and significantly
quicker.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:12 PM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Jacob,
>
> Sounds like a fabulous 4+ days.  I don't generally think of record-setting
> cold days in November as very desirable.  Since they allowed you to cycle
> the C&O without mud on a frozen, leaf-covered surface, I might change my
> mind.  I'm wondering how cold it got at night and what kind of equipment
> kept you warm.
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 1:42:26 PM UTC-5, Jacob P wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I know it's a well traversed route, but for those of you on the east
>> coast within spitting distance to DC or Pittsburgh, please do consider
>> riding the GAP and C&O. I have a few cross country tours in my quiver, but
>> for a couple specific reasons, this one stood out as an exceptional micro
>> tour. First being, NO CARS! I am a distance lover (not much for speed
>> unless it's a screaming downhill!), and these consecutive trails provide
>> 335 miles of exceptional riding. The conditions on the GAP are near
>> pristine, and although the C&O is a bit more rough and tumble, it's also an
>> incredible ride. I've heard a lot of people say that the C&O is a complete
>> mudbath. I will advocate for November riding -- the leaves cover most the
>> path and the ground was slightly frozen. Zero mud.
>>
>> Secondly, it's a micro tour-able route! I live in Charlottesville and my
>> buddy in DC. I parked my car in a quiet neighborhood of Arlington, then
>> pedaled over to a rental car company where we quickly hauled our bikes and
>> gear to downtown Pittsburgh. Rental minivan dropped off, one night in a
>> hotel, and we were off. Four and a half days later, we were on the National
>> Mall in DC. Here are a few pictures along the way. He's riding a Surly
>> Bridgeclub and and I'm on a 63cm AHH. Notice the goosenecked stem -- I had
>> to get creative to get this bike to fit me correctly :)
>>
>> We camped along the Potomac, spotted Bald Eagles and Red Tailed Hawks,
>> encountered a few trash pandas who attempted to bust into our panniers. I
>> rode the entire route in Crocs and second hand wool/reflective clothing. We
>> are here. And finally, as it should be noted, a good time was had by all.
>>
>> Happy riding everyone,
>>
>> Jacob
>> Charlottesville, VA
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS 51cm Joey Appaloosa

[Denise Granger]

San Diego California is my location - sorry should’ve added that to original 
post. 
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> We'll need a location if you're interested in local pick up. 
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[RBW] New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Chris L]

I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the bikes 
are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in the 
bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the Appaloosa, 
and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 Atlantis and 
a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis and a 54 
Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  

The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
one.

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