[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Joe Bernard]

I've never had much trouble with bearings and such, probably because I'm the 
least competitive rider you'll ever meet..I just cruise like a lowered Impala 
on Saturday night. But I'm WAY sensitive to how that connection feels and small 
just won't do. I want the full floorboard when I put my foot in it!  

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[masmojo]

I find it curious that so many people have problems with pedals! I've had a 
couple dozen different pedals & never problem one!? I  would expect a problem 
for at least 5K miles. I regressed my old Shimano DX platform pedal many, many 
years ago, but I  was doing 6,000 or so miles a year at that time & it was my 
only bike 

I do prefer BMX platform pedals generally and they don't have to be fancy. As 
others have said the Odessey Twisted pedals are a great buy. The Race Face 
Chester's are also good. I've also used DK & Demolition pedals. I don't sweat 
pedals too much, whatever looks good is fine with me. Don't think I'd ever pay 
more than $90. For pedals & even that is a stretch.

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Karl]

That was a steal of a deal! Glad I didn’t see this until it was too late!

Karl
Nash, TN

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 8:44:15 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's a nice bike which will look totally custom with new paint. I miss 
> my AHH. 

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Joe Bernard]

One bike, that's crazy talk man! I have two with a custom on the way, and 
that's after cutting down 

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Sean Steinle]

Sold!
>
>
Joe, it breaks my heard a bit sell it. My first and only Riv, and boy, was 
the ride everything it was hyped up to be. My Nobilette is just more 
special to me, and I'm trying the one bike thing. Speaking of new paint, 
when I last inquired about six months ago, Roman inforrmed me that if I 
decided to repaint, they still had Saluki headbadge and decals they'd be 
willing to sell for it. Just sayin...

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[RBW] WTB (longshot): HAR bags

[Joe Bernard]

Remember those mini panniers Riv designed for the Hub Area Rack? Somebody 
bought them, right? I just traded for a HAR and I'd like to get them bags for 
it..preferably non-grid grey but bag matching not a priority here. Who's 
holding??

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Joe Bernard]

Rad bike, rad color. I'm too old to say rad. RAD! 

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Matt Beecher]

I’ll be putting up a 60cm Saluki once I transfer components, but not my purple 
beauty.  (I’ve had a spare.)

Cheers,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nice bike which will look totally custom with new paint. I miss my 
AHH. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Thanks all for taking time to provide the additional info on your rides. My 
rides to do list keeps growing. Natchez Trace route is near the top.

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 5:19 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wyatt, Rich & R Shannon,
> 
> Just to add another wrinkle, here is how we three (traveling from Richmond, 
> Va.) decided to handle the transport:
> 
> We drove one vehicle with bike rack for the three bikes down to Nashville and 
> spent the night in an inexpensive motel. We had purchased a $50 second-hand 
> rack to fit the back of the hatchback on a rental van. (Most are about the 
> same now, ours turned out to be a new Dodge. The rental places will usually 
> give you a range of possible vehicles brands.) We chose a motel near the 
> rental place in Nashville and had asked permission in advance to leave our 
> vehicle there, which was acceptable.
> 
> We loaded the van with our gear, installed the simple hatch rack and bikes 
> and drove to Natchez. We had checked beforehand about having a drop-off 
> location in Natchez and there was a small place, which suited us just fine. 
> We gifted the $50 rack to a young mother working there who said she could use 
> it for her kids, loaded the gear on the bikes and rode the few miles to the 
> start of the Trace and began our ride in late afternoon. We camped at the 
> first site available that night. 
> 
> After arriving back in Nashville, two of us stayed at the Loveless Motel 
> restaurant after eating their great barbecue, while the designated driver 
> called for an Uber to take him to pick up his vehicle. He drove back to us, 
> we loaded the bikes and spent the night in a motel on the other side of 
> Nashville. Drove back to Richmond the next day.
> 
> While all that took some planning, it worked like a charm for us and was the 
> main reason to ride from South-to-North. 
> 
> I hope this helps you plan your trip. It is something of a one-off for us, 
> but I would not mind going back if we could plan it the other way around and 
> perhaps make some more stops, perhaps at Vicksburg, etc.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wyatt 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2019 12:05 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
> 
> Rich - I talked my girlfriend into dropping me off in Nashville (we got an 
> AirBnB not far from the trace the night before I left). We met back up in 
> Natchez where a few of our friends live. I did the ride in 5 days, which is 
> about as many nights in a row that I want to camp these days. Plenty of good 
> quiet places to hang a hammock, didn't seem to really matter if they were 
> designated as "camp sites" or not. Would have been happy to add a night and 
> break it up with a log cabin stay in French Camp, in retrospect. I realize 
> that's not much of a tip in terms of accommodations, but it is a convenient 
> arrangement if you can swing it... 
> 
> Paul - nice pics, looks like a fun crew. I rode right past French Camp 
> thinking I might regret that decision and now I really do!
> 
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:51:39 AM UTC+8, RichS wrote:
>> Paul, thank you for the info and pics.
>> Looks like an enjoyable ride both visually and historically.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> R Shannon,
>> 
>> If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a 
>> March, 2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690091752920
>> 
>> "Local Color":  https://www.flickr.com/ photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 
>> 72157695163021394
>> 
>> Historical Markers, etc.":  https://www.flickr.com/ 
>> photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690092078560
>> 
>> The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
>> and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a 
>> storm in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - 
>> highly recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose 
>> south-to-north to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the 
>> Spring can be more volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from 
>> two weeks before in southern Miss.
>> 
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, VA
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: R Shannon 
>> To: : 
>> Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
>> 
>> Wyatt,
>> 
>> Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
>> Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
>> 
>> How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch 

[RBW] FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Sean Steinle]

And pending!

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Sean Steinle]

And pending!

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Matt Beecher]

PM sent. I’ll take it. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 6:57:05 PM UTC-6, Sean Steinle wrote:
> Selling my very early Toyo Homer.  58cm. 650b. From all accounts, this 
> appears to be a Saluki frame that became a very early Hilsen. It has a Saluki 
> serial #, and the Saluki fork lug. This is a special bike, and I absolutely 
> love it. Only selling due to pairing down of life stuff. It's got lots of 
> beausage, some shellac drippings, and a good amount of paint chips, which 
> I've tried to take lots of detailed pictures of, a couple tiny ones with 
> possibly some surface rust? I don't know, but look for yourself. Haven't 
> found any dents. Comes with headset, bottom bracket, kickstand, tektro 
> brakes, and fenders. Does NOT include water bottle cages or shifter housing 
> stops. 
> 
> 
> Asking price is $1,000 plus bikeflights shipping from Kansas.
> 
> 
> Flickr album

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[RBW] FS - 58cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen (650b Hiluki) - Frame & Fork + extras

[Sean Steinle]

Selling my very early Toyo Homer.  58cm. 650b. From all accounts, this 
appears to be a Saluki frame that became a very early Hilsen. It has a 
Saluki serial #, and the Saluki fork lug. This is a special bike, and I 
absolutely love it. Only selling due to pairing down of life stuff. It's 
got lots of beausage, some shellac drippings, and a good amount of paint 
chips, which I've tried to take lots of detailed pictures of, a couple tiny 
ones with possibly some surface rust? I don't know, but look for yourself. 
Haven't found any dents. Comes with headset, bottom bracket, kickstand, 
tektro brakes, and fenders. Does NOT include water bottle cages or shifter 
housing stops. 

Asking price is $1,000 plus bikeflights shipping from Kansas.

Flickr album 


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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wyatt, Rich & R Shannon,
Just to add another wrinkle, here is how we three (traveling from Richmond, 
Va.) decided to handle the transport:
We drove one vehicle with bike rack for the three bikes down to Nashville and 
spent the night in an inexpensive motel. We had purchased a $50 second-hand 
rack to fit the back of the hatchback on a rental van. (Most are about the same 
now, ours turned out to be a new Dodge. The rental places will usually give you 
a range of possible vehicles brands.) We chose a motel near the rental place in 
Nashville and had asked permission in advance to leave our vehicle there, which 
was acceptable.
We loaded the van with our gear, installed the simple hatch rack and bikes and 
drove to Natchez. We had checked beforehand about having a drop-off location in 
Natchez and there was a small place, which suited us just fine. We gifted the 
$50 rack to a young mother working there who said she could use it for her 
kids, loaded the gear on the bikes and rode the few miles to the start of the 
Trace and began our ride in late afternoon. We camped at the first site 
available that night. 
After arriving back in Nashville, two of us stayed at the Loveless Motel 
restaurant after eating their great barbecue, while the designated driver 
called for an Uber to take him to pick up his vehicle. He drove back to us, we 
loaded the bikes and spent the night in a motel on the other side of Nashville. 
Drove back to Richmond the next day.
While all that took some planning, it worked like a charm for us and was the 
main reason to ride from South-to-North. 
I hope this helps you plan your trip. It is something of a one-off for us, but 
I would not mind going back if we could plan it the other way around and 
perhaps make some more stops, perhaps at Vicksburg, etc.
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Wyatt 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2019 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

Rich - I talked my girlfriend into dropping me off in Nashville (we got an 
AirBnB not far from the trace the night before I left). We met back up in 
Natchez where a few of our friends live. I did the ride in 5 days, which is 
about as many nights in a row that I want to camp these days. Plenty of good 
quiet places to hang a hammock, didn't seem to really matter if they were 
designated as "camp sites" or not. Would have been happy to add a night and 
break it up with a log cabin stay in French Camp, in retrospect. I realize 
that's not much of a tip in terms of accommodations, but it is a convenient 
arrangement if you can swing it... 
Paul - nice pics, looks like a fun crew. I rode right past French Camp thinking 
I might regret that decision and now I really do!

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:51:39 AM UTC+8, RichS wrote:
Paul, thank you for the info and pics.Looks like an enjoyable ride both 
visually and historically.
Best,Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:



R Shannon,
If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a March, 
2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690091752920
"Local Color":  https://www.flickr.com/ photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 
72157695163021394
Historical Markers, etc.":  https://www.flickr.com/ 
photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690092078560
The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a storm 
in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - highly 
recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose south-to-north 
to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the Spring can be more 
volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from two weeks before in 
southern Miss.
Paul GermainMidlothian, VA

-Original Message-
From: R Shannon 
To: : 
Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

Wyatt,
Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.Fall 
would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
Thank you!
Best,Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:



Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding and 
just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or waterfall to 
cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking it slow. Don't 
miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of Tishomingo State Park, 
especially because it leads to the last good creek on the route. Around Tupelo, 
you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start coming out in thick black clouds 
ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. Definitely take the bike path detour off 
the Trace 

[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Always happy to share the journey, George. PM sent. My email is lamontglen 
aT Mac dot com.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 2:43:07 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> Deak - based on your replies in this thread as well as some of your 
> comments in the past in different posts, I think that you and I could have 
> some good discussions.  If you wish, PM me and we'll take it from there.
> Sincerely, George
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> "None of us have all the answers do we?"
>>
>> Nope, but I know and love the lad who does. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:45:02 AM UTC-7, truegolden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting comments.
>>>
>>> Even with the diversity of backgrounds, life experiences, viewpoints, 
>>> philosophies, sexes,
>>> and ages
>>> it's great to see the commonality we find over cycling and particular 
>>> types of bicycles.
>>>
>>> Even though I might have different views in some areas from list 
>>> participants I've learned to respect others and their differing views and 
>>> hopefully learn something in getting to know them.
>>>
>>> Life is very complex in my view and we all are works in progress.
>>>
>>> None of us have all the answers do we?
>>>
>>> I think we're mostly all trying to figure  'life' out and make sense of 
>>> the good, the bad and the ugly of it, the temporary aspect of it, the truth 
>>> of it all and what's possibly next after it ends.
>>> A lifelong pursuit indeed!
>>>
>>> I think every life is of tremendous value and worthy of respect and 
>>> deserving of living a life of freedom and dignity.
>>>
>>> Alas it's not a perfect world but we can all strive to do better 
>>> especially how we treat others.
>>>
>>> We just don't know what trials and tribulations have shaped and impacted 
>>> others lives.
>>>
>>> Of course we are creatures with emotions and those emotions can be 
>>> difficult to keep in check at times.
>>>
>>> Those times when my emotions get the best of me and my words I find 
>>> apologies and forgiveness go a long way.
>>>
>>> I like the idea of making a supreme effort to live at peace with all 
>>> even though easier said than done
>>>
>>> Well, mercy, I got a bit carried away and verbose.
>>>
>>> A good long bike ride sure helps sort out my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Peace out.
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[George Schick]

Deak - based on your replies in this thread as well as some of your 
comments in the past in different posts, I think that you and I could have 
some good discussions.  If you wish, PM me and we'll take it from there.
Sincerely, George

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> "None of us have all the answers do we?"
>
> Nope, but I know and love the lad who does. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:45:02 AM UTC-7, truegolden wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting comments.
>>
>> Even with the diversity of backgrounds, life experiences, viewpoints, 
>> philosophies, sexes,
>> and ages
>> it's great to see the commonality we find over cycling and particular 
>> types of bicycles.
>>
>> Even though I might have different views in some areas from list 
>> participants I've learned to respect others and their differing views and 
>> hopefully learn something in getting to know them.
>>
>> Life is very complex in my view and we all are works in progress.
>>
>> None of us have all the answers do we?
>>
>> I think we're mostly all trying to figure  'life' out and make sense of 
>> the good, the bad and the ugly of it, the temporary aspect of it, the truth 
>> of it all and what's possibly next after it ends.
>> A lifelong pursuit indeed!
>>
>> I think every life is of tremendous value and worthy of respect and 
>> deserving of living a life of freedom and dignity.
>>
>> Alas it's not a perfect world but we can all strive to do better 
>> especially how we treat others.
>>
>> We just don't know what trials and tribulations have shaped and impacted 
>> others lives.
>>
>> Of course we are creatures with emotions and those emotions can be 
>> difficult to keep in check at times.
>>
>> Those times when my emotions get the best of me and my words I find 
>> apologies and forgiveness go a long way.
>>
>> I like the idea of making a supreme effort to live at peace with all even 
>> though easier said than done
>>
>> Well, mercy, I got a bit carried away and verbose.
>>
>> A good long bike ride sure helps sort out my thoughts.
>>
>> Peace out.
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

"None of us have all the answers do we?"

Nope, but I know and love the lad who does. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:45:02 AM UTC-7, truegolden wrote:
>
>
> Interesting comments.
>
> Even with the diversity of backgrounds, life experiences, viewpoints, 
> philosophies, sexes,
> and ages
> it's great to see the commonality we find over cycling and particular 
> types of bicycles.
>
> Even though I might have different views in some areas from list 
> participants I've learned to respect others and their differing views and 
> hopefully learn something in getting to know them.
>
> Life is very complex in my view and we all are works in progress.
>
> None of us have all the answers do we?
>
> I think we're mostly all trying to figure  'life' out and make sense of 
> the good, the bad and the ugly of it, the temporary aspect of it, the truth 
> of it all and what's possibly next after it ends.
> A lifelong pursuit indeed!
>
> I think every life is of tremendous value and worthy of respect and 
> deserving of living a life of freedom and dignity.
>
> Alas it's not a perfect world but we can all strive to do better 
> especially how we treat others.
>
> We just don't know what trials and tribulations have shaped and impacted 
> others lives.
>
> Of course we are creatures with emotions and those emotions can be 
> difficult to keep in check at times.
>
> Those times when my emotions get the best of me and my words I find 
> apologies and forgiveness go a long way.
>
> I like the idea of making a supreme effort to live at peace with all even 
> though easier said than done
>
> Well, mercy, I got a bit carried away and verbose.
>
> A good long bike ride sure helps sort out my thoughts.
>
> Peace out.
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>

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[RBW] Law professor, Riv Rider

[Joe Bernard]

Poor Tom Nichols. It was a silly response to a silly "unpopular opinion" tweet, 
he just doesn't like the taste of Indian food. Which isn't Indian for it is 
food. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Joe Bernard]

"There is currently a discussion over on IBob that I believe started out as a 
for sale and has wandered into discussions about Facebook and the You Are The 
Product meme and a 1973 "film" by artist Richard Serra and Carlota Fay 
Schoolman, "Television Delivers People."

And now something about Romper Room 樂
I feel bad for Fitz, a FS post is definitely NOT the place for discussion 
digressions and his went bad FAST. 

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[RBW] Law professor, Riv Rider

[masmojo]

Well said Paul.

Unfortunately if people only get their news from Fox & Friends OR  MSNBC. They 
are going to have a fairly narrow views of the world. 

The people who never travel past the confines of their ranch in (let's say 
Montana) will have a very different view of the world than someone in Oakland 
or Houston or Miami. 

I am reminded of the story this week of the guy who tweeted that he didn't 
think Indian food was good & why didn't people stop pretending to like it!? 
Well, as a lover of Indian food I have to admit I found the backlash  amusing. 
Apparently he tried it at least, I always caution people that it is an acquired 
taste. 
In that vein I rode the Clementine over to the Buddhist temple today to get 
some Thai street food. YUM

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Htys7pCbS7FVsES98

The best way to fight today's problems is to open ourselves up to different 
people, places, customs & viewpoints. 

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Kieran J]

Funny you mention that - I also have a pair of Vices (bought used) and they 
have been great. They are slightly thicker than the TGs but just as good 
otherwise. I always just assumed it was luck and that it was a matter of 
time before they started giving me problems too.

I might try the Wellgo B132 or the Xpedo Spry next. Thanks for all the 
input.

KJ
 

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:29:43 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
> read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:
>
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
> The gist: VP Vice pedals have better bearings and a lower Q factor than do 
> the VP-001 pedals (aka Thin Gripsters). 
>
> BTW, I've been commuting on VP Vice pedals for three years now. I think 
> the left pedal just developed a click. I blame you, Kieran! :)
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 58 Sam Hillborne

[The Snag]

Here ya go
 

>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam/7032451270.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Jim M.]

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:29:43 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> If anyone on this list is still considering VP pedals, you might want to 
> read this review from Rob Perks of Ocean Air Cycles:
>
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
>
I've been using Thin Gripsters without a problem, but Rob's review 
convinced me. I was in need of pedals for the Clem I'm building, and I 
found the Vice for about $35. At first I thought the price was per pedal, 
but no, that's for two. So seems like a pretty good deal.

jim m
wc, ca 

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[RBW] Law professor, Riv Rider

[in Dallas nick]

Interesting comments.
Even with the diversity of backgrounds, life experiences, viewpoints, 
philosophies, sexes,and agesit's great to see the commonality we find over 
cycling and particular types of bicycles.
Even though I might have different views in some areas from list participants 
I've learned to respect others and their differing views and hopefully learn 
something in getting to know them.
Life is very complex in my view and we all are works in progress.
None of us have all the answers do we?
I think we're mostly all trying to figure  'life' out and make sense of the 
good, the bad and the ugly of it, the temporary aspect of it, the truth of it 
all and what's possibly next after it ends.A lifelong pursuit indeed!
I think every life is of tremendous value and worthy of respect and deserving 
of living a life of freedom and dignity.
Alas it's not a perfect world but we can all strive to do better especially how 
we treat others.
We just don't know what trials and tribulations have shaped and impacted others 
lives.
Of course we are creatures with emotions and those emotions can be difficult to 
keep in check at times.
Those times when my emotions get the best of me and my words I find apologies 
and forgiveness go a long way.
I like the idea of making a supreme effort to live at peace with all even 
though easier said than done
Well, mercy, I got a bit carried away and verbose.
A good long bike ride sure helps sort out my thoughts.
Peace out.Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

[Birdman]

Hey Bunch,

I’ve been searching through the archives and can’t find any reports on the new 
Riv Basket Rack. I’d be great to hear impressions and see some photos from any 
owners on the list, if you’re up for sharing. I’m also curious about cantilever 
break set up with that fork crown attachment tab.

Thanks,

Isaac in Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Mark Roland]

The post was simply about someone currently in the news who purportedly 
rides a Rivendell, so I don't think scolding anyone is required. And if all 
we talked about were chainstay lengths and lugs, snooze. There is currently 
a discussion over on IBob that I believe started out as a for sale and has 
wandered into discussions about Facebook and the You Are The Product meme 
and a 1973 "film" by artist Richard Serra and Carlota Fay Schoolman, 
"Television Delivers People."

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 8:38:23 AM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I've found bikes to be bridge builders. Bikes don't care about your 
> politics, philosophy or faith. You just get on them and ride. Most people 
> love riding, regardless of the other boxes in life they check. I don't eat 
> paleo, does that mean I shouldn't buy a Riv because GP eats that way? Of 
> course not. I've used my role as a rides admin for several cycling groups 
> to broaden the range of riders who get together to ride. My observation is 
> that people who ride together accept one another's differences better. Some 
> even become friends. Those relationships established while pedaling can 
> continue off the bike as well. When you talk with people instead of at 
> them, you learn about them and their experiences and they do yours. 
>
> People tend to generalize but there are usually exceptions to every broad 
> brush we try to paint. Almost nothing that we think is absolutely true and 
> desperately important really is either of those things, although there are 
> many true topics that are important for us to consider and act on. And it 
> never hurts to be kind, even when being firm.
>
> I personally know Riv owners on both sides of the liberal/conservative 
> divide and who agree on well designed, great riding bikes. I hope to meet 
> more.
>
> And let's NOT post something that is going to unavoidably and predictably 
> be political.  JB, the testimony in DC did not include any comments on lugs 
> or debate on long chainstays, so it really isn't relevant here. Does she 
> post here? I don't think so. Still own that bike? Who knows. 
>
>

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[RBW] Need to put a Clem L under the tree?

[Christopher Wiggins]

If you missed out on the Clem L's, but still want one for Christmas, fret 
not.  I've got one left.  It's a 52, and it's green.  Find it here 
. 

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Fullylugged]

I've found bikes to be bridge builders. Bikes don't care about your politics, 
philosophy or faith. You just get on them and ride. Most people love riding, 
regardless of the other boxes in life they check. I don't eat paleo, does that 
mean I shouldn't buy a Riv because GP eats that way? Of course not. I've used 
my role as a rides admin for several cycling groups to broaden the range of 
riders who get together to ride. My observation is that people who ride 
together accept one another's differences better. Some even become friends. 
Those relationships established while pedaling can continue off the bike as 
well. When you talk with people instead of at them, you learn about them and 
their experiences and they do yours. 

People tend to generalize but there are usually exceptions to every broad brush 
we try to paint. Almost nothing that we think is absolutely true and 
desperately important really is either of those things, although there are many 
true topics that are important for us to consider and act on. And it never 
hurts to be kind, even when being firm.

I personally know Riv owners on both sides of the liberal/conservative divide 
and who agree on well designed, great riding bikes. I hope to meet more.

And let's NOT post something that is going to unavoidably and predictably be 
political.  JB, the testimony in DC did not include any comments on lugs or 
debate on long chainstays, so it really isn't relevant here. Does she post 
here? I don't think so. Still own that bike? Who knows. 

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