[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations for an All-Rounder

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 11:20:09 AM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>
> Apparently Ultradynamico is putting out 26" options next year, and a set 
> of the Cava is what I'd like to put on my Clem next - still fast rolling 
> and supple but a little better off pavement, I expect.
>
 
*Great*…another premium tire with a premium price to match, so as to better 
empty my wallet. It's bad when Challenge Paris-Roubaix Pro, and Vittoria 
Corsa G2.0 tires begin to look economical…

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[RBW] Re: Getting a Riv Custom Painted in the Bay Area

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:33:56 PM UTC-8, Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:24:44 AM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> I agree with the whimsical description that a Joe Bell paint job is good 
>> to 3" while a D paint job is good to 3', meaning you can't detect flaws 
>> at those distances. This is also reflected in their prices though! :)
>>
>
> I consider Jim Allen, Della Santa's painter to be equivalent in quality to 
> Joe Bell, all due respect.  San Diego area, not Bay Area, but easy to work 
> with, fast, responsive, and reliable.
>

Do you know if Della Santa used Jim Allen exclusively to paint his bikes, 
because the last two Della Santas (bought new from Roland by a friend) that 
I personally built up did not have Joe Bell-quality paint jobs.

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 1:12:29 PM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
> Cool. That price is right in line with other top builders like Dave Kirk 
> and Dave Wages/Ellis Cycles!  For example, Dave Kirk's Onesto lugged 
> stainless steel tubing (Reynolds 953) is right there at like $4200. Dave 
> Wages/Ellis starts at like $3500 and can easily go up pass $7000 for a 
> frameset!
>
> Of course, neither wouldn't have Grant/Rivendell's geometry!  Lots of good 
> choices out there!
>

Just as a point of clarification, the unreleased Mark Nobilette-built, 
"Rivnobi" not-a-custom has a target price of $4k for a *complete bike,* with 
possibly brazed-on Paul centerpulls (that are $350/bike). If we can 
extrapolate from the high-end brakes, but also temper with Rivendell's 
whimsical tendencies towards good-but-inexpensive parts (e.g., Acera and 
Altus rear derailleurs), the build kit should be at least decent. In any 
case, since build kits can easily exceed $1k, that essentially brings the 
frame+fork price down to less than $3k, which is aligned with how much a 
Nobilette Roadeo costs.

I'm most curious about what kind of bikes these are, since Grant's post 
indicated a partial throwback to more traditional geometries. I'm sure 
they'll ride well, and they'll unlikely to be single-purposed (like a 
Legolas), but how are they biased?

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[RBW] FS: Custom Analog 650b dynamo wheelset

[Andrew Turner]

Selling my Analog wheelset that's less than a year old. Mostly been sitting 
on my wife's unridden bike. Full specs: 

   - Velocity Quill Rims Black 32h (minus the ugly decals)
   - Sapim Race Spokes silver
   - Gold anodized nipples
   - Bitex road hub silver w/ Shimano FH body 11spd
   - Tubeless Tape
   - SP PV8 front hub Silver
   - Shimano QR’s 

Everything's pretty much pristine still with the exception of some super 
minor biting in the freehub body. 
PM for pics. 

Looking to get $400 + shipping.

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks much to everyone who's responded.  I love this forum, with its 
cumulative knowledge and folks who're willing to take the time to help 
others.  

Laing mentioned Youtube, which was a great suggestion that I hadn't 
considered.  Forty minutes of watching scratch-removal videos convinced me 
that the scratches can probably be removed by polishing, or if not removed 
then at least diminished to the extent that they won't torment me when I 
ride and look down.  Responses that followed Laing's confirmed that the 
right kind of polishing might do the trick.  Many of the Youtube videos 
warn about being too aggressive or the possibility of leaving streaks or 
fine lines so the solution is not without risk, and each one touts a 
different product or slightly different approach that the poster thinks is 
the best to avoid those risks.  

I quickly realized that most of the videos were posted by auto detailers. 
 I'm still nervous about the potential unintended consequences of a novice 
like me using the wrong product, or using the right product wrongly, so I'm 
going to take it to a local detailer to see if this is an easy fix for 
someone with experience.  I suspect it is, and it might even be easy for 
me, but this frame is too nice for me to risk making worse with my 
inexperience.  I wish I had a beater bike to practice on but I don't.  

I'll report back and let y'all know what happens.  Hopefully there's a 
happy ending ahead.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of Riv SS Designs?

[JohnS]

Jim,

Thanks for sharing your QB pics on flickr, not sure which I like better, 
the various configurations of your QB or your Lego interpretation of a QB!

JohnS (fellow orange QB owner) 

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:44:08 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> I had Big Apple 50s on my orange QB. Here's a pic 
> .
>
> Close fit, and not much room for adjusting forward/backward, but quite 
> comfy. 
>
> jim m
> wc, ca
>

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Re: [RBW] BEST REAR MOUNTED KID SEAT FOR HILLBORNE

[Bill F]

They do not match the silver look that you are going for, but I have had good 
luck with the Yepp Maxi (two on a Big Dummy).

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Re: [RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. Someone else suggested a Soma Tradesman, which does indeed
look more rideable than the old rod braked one, and named Yasujiru, which
Googling, brought up this page; lots of choices!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=yasujiro+mini+cargo+bike=ffab=v167-1=images=images=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F236x%2F86%2Ff0%2F62%2F86f062f3dd8dc14b766743d89296dfac--bike-packing-cargo-bike.jpg

But alas I have 2 bike -- not quite projects, but hopes, in the queue
before anything like this.

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Corwin]

Indeed, the bars are nice. I have several pairs of moustache bars. One set 
went with the old tandem to the non-profit that accepted my donation. I 
tried hard not to like the Albastache - but alas - I do like them. Have a 
little bit too much reach - but that will be solved when I swap out the 
stem for a shorter one.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:33:57 PM UTC-8, Robert Tilley wrote:
>
> Nice! I like the choice of bars on that.
>
> I have a HH frame at the house and am just waiting on wheels. Once those 
> are in the build will begin. 
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> *From:* ern...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* February 13, 2020 12:53 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
>
> Happy New Bike Day!
>
> My wife suffers from several health problems. Her favorite exercise is to 
> go for a bike ride. Several years ago, I hit on the idea of a tandem. We 
> got a used Vigorelli on EBay. Had to be shipped from Cleavland (Thanks 
> Thomas!) and modified. Spent two years riding that bike. Beautiful fillet 
> brazing. Unfortunately, the widest tires I could fit were 38mm. Not bad - 
> but not quite enough volume to handle the ruts and bumps of the East Bay.
>
> Thought about a Bilenky Viewpoint. Even went to the shop, rode a 
> Counterpoint (like the Viewpoint - but an earlier model). It's a great shop 
> in a neat area of Philadelphia. Could not convince the wife - even though 
> she loved the idea of the stoker riding in front in a recumbent position.
>
> Then I realized she would probably be more comfortable on a Hubbuhubbuh. 
> But I would not be able to convince her unless she could experience it 
> first hand before the purchase. Asked Grant if we could take a ride on his 
> tandem. He graciously agreed. After a ride around the block, she was sold.
>
> After navigating some logistical problems, we picked up the bike 
> yesterday. It's currently featured on the Blug: 
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/190809313109/corwins-hubbuhubbuh-this-is-the-first-albastache?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJjemVjaEBzb25pYy5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJMVmI2YUMifQ%3D%3D
>
> The Blug post is incorrect - the headlight is an upside-down Edelux II. We 
> have a Sinewave Revolution (to charge my wife's iPhone) wired to the hub 
> via the Y-Junction featured on Peter White's website 
> . Peter did the wiring 
> himself. Turned out great! Thanks Peter!
>
> Just took the bike out for a shakedown ride. About seven miles, almost 
> completely flat. Even though the Hubbuhubbuh is heavier than the old 
> tandem, it's much more stable and I can feel power coming from the stoker 
> with much less effort from my wife. Pretty trivial for her to mount and 
> dismount too.
>
> Attached a picture of the old tandem and a couple pics of the new 
> Hubbuhubbuh.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
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Re: [RBW] BEST REAR MOUNTED KID SEAT FOR HILLBORNE

[David Bivins]

For what it's worth, I used the Bobike Classic Junior for many years for my
son. I did not use the large plastic spoke guards and my son's feet never
got tangled in the rear spokes.
I liked it because it had plenty of affordance for hanging bags and it
folded flat so I could carry stuff on it when my son wasn't on it.
It also had a waist strap which I cut off when he got older because I
didn't want him being tied to the bike if we were in an accident.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 7:33 PM Alex Dash  wrote:

> Hey all, thx for reading. My first born has out grown the Yepp Mini seat I
> have mounted to my stem, and it's time for us to get a rear mounted seat.
> She weighs 30lbs and is a growing. Ive noticed my 2015 Sam has quite a few
> extra eyelets for racks etc. Id prefer something silver in color for the
> rack part, but am fairly open to the seat itself.
>
> Thx again and Im looking forward to what you guys have to say!
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Re: [RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Mark Roland]

The Crust Cargo fork looks a bit weird, but it will ride better than the 
vintage truck bikes.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:03:05 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A butcher's bike. I've been waiting for this model since late 1994. This 
> could really set the Rivendell brand apart.
>
> Lugged, of course. With basket made by Scandinavian dwarfs.
>
> [image: image.png]
> Patrick Moore, who quite seriously has been intrigued by these things 
> since about 1970 -- One like this used to sit outside a Nairobi butcher 
> shop.
>

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[RBW] Re: My sweater just shipped!

[Mark Roland]

Got my shipped notification today, like a little valentine for myself. 
Looks like a good one! 

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 6:49:33 PM UTC-5, David Bivins wrote:
>
> I was so excited that Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell that I missed the 
> big news in my inbox - my Cheviot sweater just shipped! Thankfully we still 
> have some cold weather ahead this year. 
>
> I'm assuming more than a few people on this list ordered them as well.
>
> Take care,
>
> David (Brooklyn, NY)
>

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Re: [RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Dave Grossman]

Single speed!

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[Wyatt]

more excited about this plan than anything Riv has come out with in a long 
time. Eager to see how they build them up. 

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Re: [RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Mike Packard]

Civia had a great one called Halsted that is sadly discontinued: 
https://civiacycles.com/bikes/archive/halsted

This one looks pretty legit: https://www.raleighusa.com/lorry/

mike



On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 6:03:05 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A butcher's bike. I've been waiting for this model since late 1994. This 
> could really set the Rivendell brand apart.
>
> Lugged, of course. With basket made by Scandinavian dwarfs.
>
> [image: image.png]
> Patrick Moore, who quite seriously has been intrigued by these things 
> since about 1970 -- One like this used to sit outside a Nairobi butcher 
> shop.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Robert Tilley]

  Nice! I like the choice of bars on that.I have a HH frame at the house and am just waiting on wheels. Once those are in the build will begin. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: ernf...@gmail.comSent: February 13, 2020 12:53 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv  Happy New Bike Day!My wife suffers from several health problems. Her favorite exercise is to go for a bike ride. Several years ago, I hit on the idea of a tandem. We got a used Vigorelli on EBay. Had to be shipped from Cleavland (Thanks Thomas!) and modified. Spent two years riding that bike. Beautiful fillet brazing. Unfortunately, the widest tires I could fit were 38mm. Not bad - but not quite enough volume to handle the ruts and bumps of the East Bay.Thought about a Bilenky Viewpoint. Even went to the shop, rode a Counterpoint (like the Viewpoint - but an earlier model). It's a great shop in a neat area of Philadelphia. Could not convince the wife - even though she loved the idea of the stoker riding in front in a recumbent position.Then I realized she would probably be more comfortable on a Hubbuhubbuh. But I would not be able to convince her unless she could experience it first hand before the purchase. Asked Grant if we could take a ride on his tandem. He graciously agreed. After a ride around the block, she was sold.After navigating some logistical problems, we picked up the bike yesterday. It's currently featured on the Blug: https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/190809313109/corwins-hubbuhubbuh-this-is-the-first-albastache?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJjemVjaEBzb25pYy5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJMVmI2YUMifQ%3D%3DThe Blug post is incorrect - the headlight is an upside-down Edelux II. We have a Sinewave Revolution (to charge my wife's iPhone) wired to the hub via the Y-Junction featured on Peter White's website. Peter did the wiring himself. Turned out great! Thanks Peter!Just took the bike out for a shakedown ride. About seven miles, almost completely flat. Even though the Hubbuhubbuh is heavier than the old tandem, it's much more stable and I can feel power coming from the stoker with much less effort from my wife. Pretty trivial for her to mount and dismount too.Attached a picture of the old tandem and a couple pics of the new Hubbuhubbuh.Namaste,Corwin



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[RBW] Re: Getting a Riv Custom Painted in the Bay Area

['Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:24:44 AM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> ...
> I agree with the whimsical description that a Joe Bell paint job is good 
> to 3" while a D paint job is good to 3', meaning you can't detect flaws 
> at those distances. This is also reflected in their prices though! :)
>

I consider Jim Allen, Della Santa's painter to be equivalent in quality to 
Joe Bell, all due respect.  San Diego area, not Bay Area, but easy to work 
with, fast, responsive, and reliable.


*Jim Allen The CycleSmiths*

37015 El Tesoro Rd, 
Ranchita, CA 92066

760.782.2737
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~pb 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My sweater just shipped!

[Robert Gardner]

Yeah, me also -- really excited for it! Looks like it'll be the "utility"
sweater for commuting, long rides, etc.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:56 PM Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> Got a large as well. Thumbs up emoji!
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 6:49:33 PM UTC-5, David Bivins wrote:
>>
>> I was so excited that Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell that I missed the
>> big news in my inbox - my Cheviot sweater just shipped! Thankfully we still
>> have some cold weather ahead this year.
>>
>> I'm assuming more than a few people on this list ordered them as well.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> David (Brooklyn, NY)
>>
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[RBW] BEST REAR MOUNTED KID SEAT FOR HILLBORNE

[Alex Dash]

Hey all, thx for reading. My first born has out grown the Yepp Mini seat I have 
mounted to my stem, and it's time for us to get a rear mounted seat. She weighs 
30lbs and is a growing. Ive noticed my 2015 Sam has quite a few extra eyelets 
for racks etc. Id prefer something silver in color for the rack part, but am 
fairly open to the seat itself. 

Thx again and Im looking forward to what you guys have to say! 

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Re: [RBW] The Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell!

[Robert Tilley]

Tan Tenovo is one of the names he uses for himself at times. Think it was what 
a cop wrote on a ticket he received as the description of the bike he was 
riding when ticketed.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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Wait, I thought Bike Snob was that Eben guy. Who's Tan Tenovo? (I don't read 
the blog)

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[RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Joe Bernard]

A Clem L Cargo. Which is almost long enough to be one now, just add an 
integrated rack and footboards.  

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[S]

These sound great! Can't wait to hear more details. 

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:10:01 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The new (as of 2/13/20) Blahg mentions a new program from Riv which I 
> think is brilliant. Mark Nobilette is going to do some frames kind of 
> in-between the current styles and original, and will be offered as 
> completes with Joe Bell paint (Riv's color, geometry and parts choices) for 
> around $4000. 
>
> I ain't mad that I'm spending significantly more to get a true custom 
> built for my needs in my color. I may be mad later when I decide I need one 
> of these, too 

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[Joe Bernard]

" Also note that what Grant is indicating is a complete bike with Nobilette 
frame for around $4,000 - not just a frameset."

Correctomundu, $4000 is the cost for a true Riv custom frame (base price). The 
new batches built to a standard geometry and Grant's color are $4000 complete. 

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[William R.]

This gets me excited too! I like Mark Nobilette's work a lot and I like 
that Riv is working with him more. Didn't like the way things seemed 
between Riv and Waterford. I thought that the Nobilette Roadeo project 
sounded cool, but now this bike - with brazed on Paul center pulls and more 
tire clearance - sounds really interesting. Also note that what Grant is 
indicating is a complete bike with Nobilette frame for around $4,000 - not 
just a frameset.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Chris L]

I don't know if there is any demand, but I would love to see a mid-size 
(mid to upper 50's in size) bike with moderate chainstay length, 26" wheels 
and a long ETT length.  Like an Original 56cm Atlantis stretched 3 to 5 cm 
on the front-end and maybe a little in the back. 

Probably only missing from RBW's lineup in regards to my personal 
preferences.  

 

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:40:23 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Pardon the idle-mind pondering, I am home sick today and becoming bored, 
> which has me daydreaming about a collaboration I've been trying to ignite 
> between Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to bring back the Rambler as a MIT, 
> tig-welded all-rounder that could hit that $900 - $1050 range price point 
> based on other TIG Riv's.  
>
> To me, there is a big hole in the lineup where a TIG frameset in the Homer 
> / Hillborne range of sportiness belongs; something much like the OAC 
> Rambler was (which had long stays for a non-Riv, too). I also believe this 
> would be a strong seller, competing more directly with Crust, Surly, etc. 
> 650B / 700c depending on size, clearance for 48's, mid-weight tubing, works 
> with drops or swept bars. 
>
> I imagine this kind of bike, but with modern Riv twists, is coming up soon 
> - hopefully!
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[Brewster Fong]

Cool. That price is right in line with other top builders like Dave Kirk 
and Dave Wages/Ellis Cycles!  For example, Dave Kirk's Onesto lugged 
stainless steel tubing (Reynolds 953) is right there at like $4200. Dave 
Wages/Ellis starts at like $3500 and can easily go up pass $7000 for a 
frameset!

Of course, neither  wouldn't have Grant/Rivendell's geometry!  Lots of good 
choices out there!

Good Luck!


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 9:10:01 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The new (as of 2/13/20) Blahg mentions a new program from Riv which I 
> think is brilliant. Mark Nobilette is going to do some frames kind of 
> in-between the current styles and original, and will be offered as 
> completes with Joe Bell paint (Riv's color, geometry and parts choices) for 
> around $4000. 
>
> I ain't mad that I'm spending significantly more to get a true custom 
> built for my needs in my color. I may be mad later when I decide I need one 
> of these, too 

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[RBW] Re: My sweater just shipped!

[Brian Campbell]

Got a large as well. Thumbs up emoji!

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 6:49:33 PM UTC-5, David Bivins wrote:
>
> I was so excited that Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell that I missed the 
> big news in my inbox - my Cheviot sweater just shipped! Thankfully we still 
> have some cold weather ahead this year. 
>
> I'm assuming more than a few people on this list ordered them as well.
>
> Take care,
>
> David (Brooklyn, NY)
>

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[RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Jason Fuller]

Also, in case it comes across otherwise, this isn't meant to imply any 
negativity towards the current lineup as it is - we just all have our 
preferences, right? Certainly one of the things that's made Rivendell what it 
is all these years is not worrying about too many other people's opinions! 

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[RBW] 51cm Orange Sam on Bay Area Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

And the owner of a lovely custom with purple(!) Paul brakes. That's a nice Sam. 

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations for an All-Rounder

[Jason Fuller]

When I saw this post I was excited to come in and share that the Panaracer 
Gravel King SK is being made in 26" now, but based on your use and desire 
for a quicker-rolling tire, have to agree with everyone else on the RH 
tires.  I think the Naches Pass are the way to go if you have 
standard-width rims.  I have the 650B version, the Baby Shoe, and they've 
been great.  

Apparently Ultradynamico is putting out 26" options next year, and a set of 
the Cava is what I'd like to put on my Clem next - still fast rolling and 
supple but a little better off pavement, I expect. 

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[RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[lconley]

My custom is truly custom due to my long torso and short legs - 53.4 seat 
tube, 63 effective top tube on one sketch. It is closer to a Rosco baby 
that just about any other Riv in some ways - it even has the flared frame 
tubes, but it is not a step-thru. So I won't have to worry about wanting 
one of the new semi-customs instead. But to be honest, that hasn't stopped 
me before, I have ordered two Rivendells (Gus Boots Willsen and Rosco Baby) 
since ordering my custom. My problem will be if the Gus and custom 
frames show up at the same time.

Laing


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> The new (as of 2/13/20) Blahg mentions a new program from Riv which I 
> think is brilliant. Mark Nobilette is going to do some frames kind of 
> in-between the current styles and original, and will be offered as 
> completes with Joe Bell paint (Riv's color, geometry and parts choices) for 
> around $4000. 
>
> I ain't mad that I'm spending significantly more to get a true custom 
> built for my needs in my color. I may be mad later when I decide I need one 
> of these, too 

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[RBW] 51cm Orange Sam on Bay Area Craigslist

[Ash]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-sam-hillborne-51cm/7073497327.html

The owner is an acquaintance of mine.  


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[RBW] In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Jason Fuller]

Pardon the idle-mind pondering, I am home sick today and becoming bored, 
which has me daydreaming about a collaboration I've been trying to ignite 
between Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to bring back the Rambler as a MIT, 
tig-welded all-rounder that could hit that $900 - $1050 range price point 
based on other TIG Riv's.  

To me, there is a big hole in the lineup where a TIG frameset in the Homer 
/ Hillborne range of sportiness belongs; something much like the OAC 
Rambler was (which had long stays for a non-Riv, too). I also believe this 
would be a strong seller, competing more directly with Crust, Surly, etc. 
650B / 700c depending on size, clearance for 48's, mid-weight tubing, works 
with drops or swept bars. 

I imagine this kind of bike, but with modern Riv twists, is coming up soon 
- hopefully!

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations for an All-Rounder

[Daniel M]

If the Rat Trap Passes will fit, there is really nothing else like them. I run 
mine at 25psi whether paved, unpaved, loaded, or unloaded (Max rider + gear 
weight = 200lbs), and rarely get flats despite soldering on with tubes. 
Off-road, 20psi does feel nicer, but has subjected me to pinch flats and rim 
dings when hitting rocks or riding up curbs ungracefully and too fast. I also 
felt some of that squirminess that Benz describes when back on pavement. So for 
me the key was to find the absolute minimum pressure that doesn't feel squirmy 
on pavement and ride that pressure all the time. I can't imagine going back to 
narrower tires than a frame will fit; you gain so little and lose so much shock 
absorption, traction, and flat resistance due to the higher required pressure 
of the narrower tire. It's why I think all frames built for 650bx42mm are way 
better served by 26"x54mm if they will fit between the stays. Disc brakes, 
which I otherwise think are unnecessary for all-road bikes, make the conversion 
really easy to try.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Custom, not a custom

[Joe Bernard]

The new (as of 2/13/20) Blahg mentions a new program from Riv which I think is 
brilliant. Mark Nobilette is going to do some frames kind of in-between the 
current styles and original, and will be offered as completes with Joe Bell 
paint (Riv's color, geometry and parts choices) for around $4000. 

I ain't mad that I'm spending significantly more to get a true custom built for 
my needs in my color. I may be mad later when I decide I need one of these, too 


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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Jason Fuller]

There was a Hillborne replacement hinted at a while ago on the Blahg (if I read 
into it right), still waiting for the unveiling of that bike but I'm betting it 
would be a great candidate depending on your patience 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Applegate]

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 11:04:09 UTC-8, Bill F  wrote:
> Appaloosa presale is up today.  
> 
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

Make that FOURTH photo.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Applegate]

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 11:04:09 UTC-8, Bill F  wrote:
> Appaloosa presale is up today.  
> 
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B8gd3-fFT1m/?igshid=8z6e695not98

Third photo! Much less red than the Blue Lug e-commerce photos I linked the 
other day. I’m enjoying this mystery more than I have reason to.

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[RBW] Re: The Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell!

[masmojo]

Also, Sometimes known as Wildcat Rock Machine. LOL


https://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2011/08/come-on-with-rain-hot-wet-smugness.html

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[masmojo]

OK, I was looking at this on my phone last night and on my small screen the 
white patch looked like what you were trying to fix; Now I am on my 
computer I see that the white mark is just the refection of the light & the 
skratches are to the left of that.

Better, I agree it looks as thought the scratches are confined to the clear 
coat; so although they may not looks that great they are not serious and 
the compound is probably the best bet.

Oh, & the black Sams are sick looking!

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Pancake]

Lots of good replies, but my opinion based on some similar paint and clear 
coat repairs to other Rivendells:

*Before* considering sand paper, *definitely try scratch removal compound. 
Specifically, Meguiar's Ultimate Compound. *It's $10 at Walmart, AutoZone, 
or O'Reilly's ... or free if you swing by my place in Napa, I'll just give 
you a bigger dollop than you need or try to fix the scratch with you in my 
garage. Utlimate Compound is fantastic for your situation, you can work it 
by hand until you get the result you're after and it is nearly impossible 
to damage your paint with them when working them by hand. You could follow 
up with Ultimate Polish but it's probably unnecessary, the Ultimate 
Compound is your fix. There are others, Scratch-X comes to mind. I would 
not suggest a more aggressive compound (like Turtles) because they can 
leave visible swirls in a gloss finish.

If that doesn't fix these scratches, though I'm confident it would, you 
could use a tiny brush to add some Testor's enamel paint, let it mostly dry 
for an hour or so, then smooth the surface level to the original paint 
using some denatured alcohol on a cloth to gently remove the fresh paint 
until it's smooth. This is usually only needed if the scratch goes below 
the paint to the metal. On black it would work very well and I'd be 
surprised if anyone could tell unless they know where to look and are less 
than 12" away when looking. Again, if you bring the paint I would happily 
do this for you.

Auto detailing is my side hustle ... with the only issue being that I never 
charge anyone for it because I only work on friend's cars from my garage. 
I'd be happy to help with your Sam (mine is a blue 56cm double tt) if you 
happen to be in the SF Bay Area.

Alternatively, Grant says nail polish with a different color or just let it 
stay and call it beusage. 

Abe


On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 12:18:01 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

[esoterica etc]

Thanks Mark! Those are some nice bikes you’ve got there too. They look almost 
identical in setup, did they both come to you that way? I’ve also got to admit 
that I’ve been enamored with your Huffy Racing bike. I’ve been using it as 
inspiration for putting together a similar build with a Specialized Expedition 
frame. 

For those curious, I checked out the old Bridgestone catalogs on Sheldon’s site 
for the geometry of the 1985 MB-2, and it lists the head tube angle as 70 and 
the seat tube angle as 68. I also found it interesting that the ‘85 and ‘86 
MB-2’s have the longest wheelbase of any Bridgestone model through the years. 
So for all you long-wheelbase lovers, this is the king of early Bridgestones! 
Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Feb 12, 2020, at 06:49, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice vintage MTB!  Whoever buys it will have money left over for a Riv basket 
> rack and shop sack or some back o' bike bags. These bikes do everything, go 
> anywhere. 
> 
> Not sure how major a difference is created by the ht angle alone. The 
> Atlantis is 70, the Clem H is 71 or 71.5, the Clem L is 69.5. Vintage 80s 
> mountain bikes were usually in the 68-70 range. The Trek 850 I think has a 70 
> or 71 ht. This number alone doesn't give a full picture, with fork rake and 
> tt length being some other factors. (I believe when Grant came to B-Stone, 
> the MBs got tightened up.) 
> 
> I've been enjoying two vintage 80s mtbs I picked up last summer, a Trek 850 
> and a Peugeot (also seems to have less slack at the ht than, say, my 80s 
> Miyata Ridge Runner). So much so that they have made me lazy in building up 
> my Clem L (though I find its ride even more refined and luxurious.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, Matt C. wrote:
>> 70 degree head tube angle is probably the major difference between this and 
>> a MIT Atlantis or Clem.
>> Matt in CT
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[Steven Frederick]

Yah, rubbing compound and a "scratch remover" polish would be a good place
to start.  You can always move up to fine sandpaper if that is insufficient.

Steve

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:54 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Laing - instead of the W/D sandpaper how about rubbing or, better yet,
> polishing compound, applied with a rag and some water?  I've rubbed out
> scratches on automobiles with that stuff before and it works just fine.
> You should be able to get it at an auto part store.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:38:15 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>>
>> You could also try an auto or motorcycle detailer or a paint-less dent
>> remover professional if you don't want to do it yourself.
>>
>> You can always start with 3000 or 5000 grit or the highest grit you can
>> find to develop some experience and confidence. The higher the grit number,
>> the less paint it removes.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:56:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.
>>>
>>> I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned
>>> the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other
>>> options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

[ascpgh]

Scratches can polish out as others have described with less aggressive than 
W/D high count fine grit papers. For the possibility that you are seeing 
marring of the clear coat over the paint, I'd sure try the least invasive 
methods first so you don't go into the clear any more than necessary or the 
paint coat. 

I've used a very soft polish as a first pass mar/scratch remedy. Had good 
luck with the fine material provided in a headlight lens buffing kit. Used 
by hand with a rag it's very controllable both in area affected and force 
applied (intended for use on a provided buffing wheel with a power drill). 
I had it so I tried it before buying another. Other home soft polish 
examples are toothpaste, kitchen or bathroom fixture cleansers, Barkeepers 
friend. 

If deeper injuries or actual voids are present, you can avoid the re-paint 
thing by trying a cabinet touch-up stick. The material can fill the void, 
be shaped to flushness and buffed to a gloss. I've used the black to cover 
brad holes in prefinished matching trim for cabinetry and was surprised how 
I could buff until it had the right sheen for the rest of the finish. 

I had a black car a while back and it turns out that black paint can be 
thought of as a specialty in that field and touch-ups are a lot more 
troubling than imaginable. A car body offers large planes of finish and 
greater ability to compare original paint to touch up or feathered-in 
repaint. Bikes are much more forgiving. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Two years ago I bought a new black Sam Hillborne frame from Rivendell. 
>  For reasons not relevant to this post, I couldn't do anything with it then 
> so kept it unopened in the box in my basement until this past weekend, when 
> I opened the box intending to take it to my mechanic to have it built up. 
>  Upon removing the frame from the box and tearing away the bubble wrap from 
> the top tube I discovered extensive scratches on the top of the top tube 
> midway between the seat and head tubes.  Cardboard had rubbed through the 
> bubble wrap surrounding the top tube and then rubbed against the frame as 
> the frame wobbled left to right during shipping, and this was the result.  
>
> The scratches are superficial but readily apparent at a glance, and are in 
> nearly the worst spot possible.  I'd like to fix or mask these somehow, or 
> else I'll see them every time I look down and be unhappy with the bike. 
>  The best solution would be to have the top tube (and only the top tube) 
> repainted, but I don't know a local frame painter (in Indianapolis) who I 
> could take it to for that, or if a painter could paint *only* the top 
> tube and have everything match.  I have three other ideas, but don't know 
> if I'd be happy with them once they're implemented:
>
> 1. Have a cream panel painted on the top tube to match the cream head tube 
> and the cream seat tube panel.
> 2. Wrap the scratched part of the TT with black or honey leather, which 
> would provide the additional benefit of giving me a contact spot to use to 
> lean the bike against a pole if I ever need to.  
> 3. Twine the scratched section, with shellac if there's no chance of the 
> shellac hurting the paint and without shellac if there is.  
>
> I'll always have a honey saddle on the bike, if that helps you picture 
> these options.  
>
> Do any of you know a painter near Indianapolis who could paint the top 
> tube to match?  What do y'all think of the ideas above?  Do you have any 
> better options?  I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks.
>
> Dave
> Indianapolis, IN
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