[RBW] FT: SR Sakae CTP-400

[R. Alexis]

Rivendell Owner Bunch List Members,

In an effort to fine tune my bike I offer some used SR Sakae CTP-400 pedals for 
trade. They are track style pedal. If I remember correctly, these came standard 
on some Bridgestone models. They have a silver body with black cages. Pretty 
sure I got them with a bike I purchased a while ago. Looking for a platform 
pedal in exchange. Will entertain other items. Let me know what you have.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

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[RBW] Re: RBW Business Model

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, Mark. I just took a peek over there, and a-scufflin' they are!

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ US

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 7:35:26 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> +1 well written, Paul. You should post this over on one of the IBoB Riv 
> scuffles!!
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> I think that Grant is maybe brilliant, and was a significant influence in 
>> moving the bike industry and product offerings towards more practical 
>> products that better fit the needs of non-racers. I wouldn't be comfortable 
>> saying he has a better understanding of bike design than any other living 
>> individual. That's a pretty tall statement. No disrespect meant to Grant at 
>> all, and it's not like I can rattle off the names of other 
>> builders/designers who I think have a better understanding of bike design. 
>> I mainly can't wrap my head around how you'd even begin to analyze and 
>> quantify that.
>>
>> Grant moved the market by focusing on product and meeting an unmet 
>> demand. He recognized the disconnect between what bicycle market segments 
>> had become, and what kind of product would actually be practical and fun 
>> for non-racers to ride. His first product move in that direction wasn't a 
>> radically new design, it was a modern revision of a 30yr-old+ market 
>> segment: a relatively lightweight, performance-oriented road frame that had 
>> better tire clearances and more relaxed geometry/handling than a typical 
>> contemporary road/race frame, without the extra weight and stiffness of a 
>> traditional touring frame. That market segment in the production bike world 
>> had mostly disappeared, and Grant brought it back to life. 
>>
>> I don't want to minimize that in the least, because it took vision to see 
>> that, and cojones to bring something to market that almost no other product 
>> manager thought was missing, or that even had a place. But it also didn't 
>> come out of nowhere. People were still riding '70s-era Cinellis, Mercians, 
>> Raleigh Internationals, Schwinn Paramounts. Custom American builders had 
>> built lots of sport-touring frames through the '70s and into the '80s, and 
>> a lot of those bikes were still around. Grant's contribution was seeing 
>> those designs not as a dead end, but a way forward. 
>>
>> Grant and his products have come a long way since then, as has the 
>> bicycle market as a whole. I don't know that if it wasn't for Grant, no 
>> factories would be building drop-bar road frames that fit tires wider than 
>> 28mm, or be spec'ing production road-ish frames with flat/upright bars. But 
>> he certainly got the ball rolling, and demonstrated there was demand for 
>> non-racing bikes that weren't ATBs or hybrids.
>>
>> And bringing it back to his business model, in relation to his product, 
>> he certainly knows his customer base, and he knows how to reach beyond it a 
>> bit as well.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
>>
>> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:10:22 AM UTC-4, jack loudon wrote:
>> [snips]
>>
>>> In all cases, the Riv model was the archetype for my choices, and I'm 
>>> pretty sure, with no first-hand experience, that Grant has a better 
>>> understanding of bicycle design than any other living person.  I do think 
>>> his frames can be needlessly stiff, and I'm not a particular fan of ornate 
>>> lugs, but that does not take away from what he has accomplished. 
>>>
>>> Jack - Seattle
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

[dstein]

Nice! I like the ride reports, you should do more of those. I used to live 
in Nashville and miss the Williamson County riding. 

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 10:28:42 AM UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

>
> Nice photography.
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 9:05:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>> COVID gave me time to spruce up my website  
>> and it's at a point where I'm comfortable making it public. The majority of 
>> it is dedicated to riding and the surroundings I'm lucky enough to see and 
>> document, so I figured I'd share it here. 
>>
>> Enjoy! 
>> - Andrew
>>
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[RBW] FS: SRAM 3x9, ergon, chacos

[Drw]

Ergon grips and free items are claimed

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[RBW] FS: SRAM 3x9, ergon, chacos

[Drw]

-SRAM x7 rear derailleur+ x5 trigger shifters for 3x9. Good shape, a couple 
scratches but pretty clean and work well. I can throw in a braze on fd if 
wanted. 50$ shipped 

-ergon gp1 grips. Long version in excellent condition 20$ shipped. 

-chacos, size 10-10.5. Great shape. Musa. All black

-free with either purchase (Maybe + a couple shipping $) avid long pull brake 
levers, a no name threadless stem, and bar end grips thing. 

-
Having a hard time with pics but Pm me and I’ll send some. 

Thanks, 
Drew. la

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Re: [RBW] Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Joel Stern]

Nate, that is what she told me..  thanks for the chuckle.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:16 PM Nate in Oakland 
wrote:

> Hi Joel,
> That makes sense to me!  I use mine a ton so I’ve found value in the
> relatively high cost.  Adding it to your wife’s car is also a major
> deterrent!
>
> Nate
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Re: [RBW] Recommendations/WTB: smallish saddlebag

[Joel Stern]

Thank you Steven, me too.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:08 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Joel, thats very close to the Riv Little Joe I mentioned. Its the smallest
> size I use and would hold all that you mentioned easily. Nice to hear you
> are back on the bike. Steve
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> This bag looks great, how much bigger is it than a banana bag/sack? I
>> have the Kevin, now renamed at Riv, I think the smallest bag they offer and
>> while it fits my essentials I would like to be able to carry a camera and
>> also a light jacket when needed. How bit is this bag in reality?
>>
>>
>> https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/junior-saddlebag-green
>>
>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 10:43:14 AM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>>>
>>> I really enjoy my Carradice Junior, I think the size is just right for a
>>> lock, sweatshirt and tube/tools. I give it big points for not being made
>>> out of dinosaurs, and I've found that ordering directly from Carradice the
>>> price is actually pretty reasonable. They subtract the VAT for orders to
>>> the U.S. and I think I got mine with shipping included for $68, which is
>>> about half of what many state-side bags are going for nowadays
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Nate in Oakland]

Hi Joel, 
That makes sense to me!  I use mine a ton so I’ve found value in the relatively 
high cost.  Adding it to your wife’s car is also a major deterrent!

Nate

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Re: [RBW] Recommendations/WTB: smallish saddlebag

[Steven Sweedler]

Joel, thats very close to the Riv Little Joe I mentioned. Its the smallest
size I use and would hold all that you mentioned easily. Nice to hear you
are back on the bike. Steve

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> This bag looks great, how much bigger is it than a banana bag/sack? I have
> the Kevin, now renamed at Riv, I think the smallest bag they offer and
> while it fits my essentials I would like to be able to carry a camera and
> also a light jacket when needed. How bit is this bag in reality?
>
>
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/junior-saddlebag-green
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 10:43:14 AM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>>
>> I really enjoy my Carradice Junior, I think the size is just right for a
>> lock, sweatshirt and tube/tools. I give it big points for not being made
>> out of dinosaurs, and I've found that ordering directly from Carradice the
>> price is actually pretty reasonable. They subtract the VAT for orders to
>> the U.S. and I think I got mine with shipping included for $68, which is
>> about half of what many state-side bags are going for nowadays
>>
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Re: [RBW] Recommendations/WTB: smallish saddlebag

[Joel Stern]

This bag looks great, how much bigger is it than a banana bag/sack? I have 
the Kevin, now renamed at Riv, I think the smallest bag they offer and 
while it fits my essentials I would like to be able to carry a camera and 
also a light jacket when needed. How bit is this bag in reality?


https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/junior-saddlebag-green

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 10:43:14 AM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>
> I really enjoy my Carradice Junior, I think the size is just right for a 
> lock, sweatshirt and tube/tools. I give it big points for not being made 
> out of dinosaurs, and I've found that ordering directly from Carradice the 
> price is actually pretty reasonable. They subtract the VAT for orders to 
> the U.S. and I think I got mine with shipping included for $68, which is 
> about half of what many state-side bags are going for nowadays
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Matthew P]

Abe,

I'd gladly send you some bucks for material, shipping etc to try it out.
I'm trying to get hot on this stuff with one bike to sell and one bike to 
build.
And I've been on the fence about which shifters to lose on the bike for 
sale and what to keep.
This/these could influence my decision.
Please send me a private message with your paypal etc. if you are inclined.


Here is some copy and paste (can use to find the actual thread) where I got 
that Shimano 600 lever bit of info:
~~~
Peter Trasko
6/8/17
Resurrecting an old thread, but I made a chance discovery that may be of 
interest to the group.
One limitation of friction-shifted 10 and 11 speed bikes has been the throw 
length of bar-end shifters. Some people have gotten around this problem 
with judicious filing of the bar-end pods, like Ultraromance did here with 
this amazing ride.
I'm here to tell you that this filing isn't necessary.
I mounted late-model Shimano 600 downtube shifters (these ones) on generic 
Shimano bar-end pods. These shifters, on these pods, will pull through a 
full 180 degrees. On a 10 speed cassette they move a little over 90 
degrees. I haven't tried 11 (or 12), but I guarantee that it will work. How 
do I know? With the chain removed and the derailler limits backed all the 
way out, the shifter will easily pull the derailler into the wheel and 
beyond. These shifters are also truly "light action", in that you can 
easily move them by tiny increments. With 10 speed you just never miss a 
shift.
Hope this helps! I'm friction shifting a mega-wide-range system of various 
parts and just loving it. In the rear I have a 10-speed 11-42 cassette. In 
the front I use a SunXCD 26-46 double. Altogether I can pull my kid trailer 
up alpine passes (I live in Switzerland) and my top speed is about 40km/hr 
- which I can only reach on steep descents. I have the range I need!
~~~`

Good stuff.
-Matthew



On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 4:14:57 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> thank you for offering to send me one.  That's not necessary.  If I need 
> something like it I'll want to do my own work anyway...  Offer it up here 
> for the less fabricationally inclined.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 8:20:53 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Took a quick spin tonight: it works a dream, could be a tiny fraction 
>> thicker but as is it leaves a meaningful amount of extra lever movement 
>> range before it’s stopped by the limit screws at the derailer. It could 
>> move the derailer another 5mm plus for top or bottom gear (enough to shift 
>> off the bottom or over the top gear if not stopped by the limit screws). 
>>
>> Thanks Bill. I’ll send you one myself (shout me where you’d like it sent 
>> by email). 
>>
>> I’m going to fix up another that’s a nicer finish and very tight fit so 
>> the glue or epoxy will almost unnecessary. 
>>
>> Abe
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Roberta]

To be clear, I was speaking about the Saris Bones.  Haven't used it yet.

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> I see at least one or more a week on Craigslist in the $40 range.  I 
> bought mine there for $40 (I don't know the retail) for when I rent a car 
> and want to bring my bike.  That's what the police for here in Philadelphia 
> uses for their bike patrol bikes.
>
> Dave--I bought the one with the four legs even though I'd only have one or 
> two bikes, thinking it would be more stable.  i've had it 6 months and 
> haven't rented a car recently.
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:58:48 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Saris bones is the best I have seen for a rack that goes back and forth 
>> between cars, if you have space to store it in between uses.
>> For folidng up and leaving in the trunk, I got one of these for my wife's 
>> car in case I meet her somewhere and it is a long way back:
>> https://allen.bike/products/ultra-compact-bike-rack
>>
>> Edwin
>> Nashville
>>
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:34:41 PM UTC-5, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
>>> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
>>> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>>>
>>> Thanks. 
>>>
>>> Joel 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Bill Lindsay]

thank you for offering to send me one.  That's not necessary.  If I need 
something like it I'll want to do my own work anyway...  Offer it up here 
for the less fabricationally inclined.  

Bill

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 8:20:53 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> Took a quick spin tonight: it works a dream, could be a tiny fraction 
> thicker but as is it leaves a meaningful amount of extra lever movement 
> range before it’s stopped by the limit screws at the derailer. It could 
> move the derailer another 5mm plus for top or bottom gear (enough to shift 
> off the bottom or over the top gear if not stopped by the limit screws). 
>
> Thanks Bill. I’ll send you one myself (shout me where you’d like it sent 
> by email). 
>
> I’m going to fix up another that’s a nicer finish and very tight fit so 
> the glue or epoxy will almost unnecessary.
>
> Abe

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Re: [RBW] Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Joel Stern]

Nate, by the time you buy the bike carrier for the hitch you have at least
$600 invested. Being retired I try to watch the dollars a bit more plus it
is not something I will use often. To be honest my only use right now will
be when I bring my berliot and Atlantis to the shop to get the drivetrain
off of the Bleriot. I am thinking of keeping the Bleriot so I am not sure
what else I will take off of it. I will end up getting a Sugino if I do
keep the bike. I pretty much have all else I will need. So investing the
money and putting it on my wife's car because the ones for my car stick out
a lot. I can usually get one bike in her car if I put her back seat down
and right now I don't think she wants to drive to take a bike on a bike
trail.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:53 PM Nate in Oakland 
wrote:

> I know you said non hitch... but you should really just get a hitch
> installed if you can.  I’ve gotten one installed even on my VW GTI (Golf)
> that sits pretty low to the ground.  If you go to a reputable local hitch
> installing business, you should end up out the door with hitch for under
> $300.
>
> I am really awkward with lifting bikes and my bikes tend to be heavy.  The
> hitch racks are so easy to use and some protect your bike better (less
> scuffs).
>
> Nate
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Edwin, and they really work well? The low price kind of scared me.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:58 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Saris bones is the best I have seen for a rack that goes back and forth
> between cars, if you have space to store it in between uses.
> For folidng up and leaving in the trunk, I got one of these for my wife's
> car in case I meet her somewhere and it is a long way back:
> https://allen.bike/products/ultra-compact-bike-rack
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>
> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:34:41 PM UTC-5, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to
>> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for
>> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Nate in Oakland]

I know you said non hitch... but you should really just get a hitch installed 
if you can.  I’ve gotten one installed even on my VW GTI (Golf) that sits 
pretty low to the ground.  If you go to a reputable local hitch installing 
business, you should end up out the door with hitch for under $300.  

I am really awkward with lifting bikes and my bikes tend to be heavy.  The 
hitch racks are so easy to use and some protect your bike better (less scuffs).

Nate

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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Roberta]

I see at least one or more a week on Craigslist in the $40 range.  I bought 
mine there for $40 (I don't know the retail) for when I rent a car and want 
to bring my bike.  That's what the police for here in Philadelphia uses for 
their bike patrol bikes.

Dave--I bought the one with the four legs even though I'd only have one or 
two bikes, thinking it would be more stable.  i've had it 6 months and 
haven't rented a car recently.

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:58:48 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Saris bones is the best I have seen for a rack that goes back and forth 
> between cars, if you have space to store it in between uses.
> For folidng up and leaving in the trunk, I got one of these for my wife's 
> car in case I meet her somewhere and it is a long way back:
> https://allen.bike/products/ultra-compact-bike-rack
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>
> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:34:41 PM UTC-5, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
>> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
>> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>>
>> Thanks. 
>>
>> Joel 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Bruce,

Yes, thought you were referring to the SH. Of course now the MIT Homer is
the economy version of the previous MUSA version!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:13 PM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Typo of course. I meant to type “Hillborne” was the economy version of
> Homer.
>
> How many figured that out?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
>
> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your
> point, Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the
> differentiating factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll
> be like MIT Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly
> I'm just wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long
> chainstays and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be
> surprised to see a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
>
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I
> swapped in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and
> am still experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.
>>   Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light
>> to medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.
>> Now both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional
>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar
>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own
>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to
>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up
>> against "Road+" type bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all
>> bags removed.. heh)
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>>>
>>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based
>>> on past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini
>>> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and
>>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam
>>> have identical builds and geometry.
>>>
>>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it
>>> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the
>>> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>>>
>>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
>>> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:

 Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam
 comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but
 never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often
 ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt
 for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is
 sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike.

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> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. 
> i
> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Typo of course. I meant to type “Hillborne” was the economy version of Homer.

How many figured that out?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
> 
> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your point, 
> Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the differentiating 
> factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll be like MIT 
> Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly I'm just 
> wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long chainstays 
> and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be surprised to see 
> a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
> 
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I swapped 
> in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and am still 
> experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
> 
> Erik, Philly
> 
>> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.   
>> Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light to 
>> medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.  Now 
>> both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
 
>>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional 
>>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar 
>>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own 
>>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to 
>>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up 
>>> against "Road+" type bikes. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all 
>>> bags removed.. heh)
>>> 
> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
> 
> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini 
> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter 
> and snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and 
> Sam have identical builds and geometry.
> 
> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it 
> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the 
> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
> 
> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal 
> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I 
>> often ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's 
>> overbuilt for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. 
>> Keeping up is sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than 
>> the bike. 
>> 
>>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Edwin W]

Saris bones is the best I have seen for a rack that goes back and forth 
between cars, if you have space to store it in between uses.
For folidng up and leaving in the trunk, I got one of these for my wife's 
car in case I meet her somewhere and it is a long way back:
https://allen.bike/products/ultra-compact-bike-rack

Edwin
Nashville

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:34:41 PM UTC-5, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Joel 
>

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[RBW] New Saddlebag Cotton

[John Bokman]

I have used Carradice bags and still use a Cartwright series Baggins 
saddlebag (Adam). My one gripe with these bags is that excess moisture can 
provide a good environment for mildew growth. I ride in a moist climate 
(Portland, OR) and am not always able to bring my bike in for storage while 
at work. Thus, in the 8 months a year when it rains, a saddlebag can become 
saturated and not completely dry.

This is not a knock on the bags, just a fact of life in a wet climate using 
this material. So I am curious to know if the newer Scottish Cotton fabric 
is more impervious to microbial growth than the older cotton that Riv used 
for their bags (or indeed than Carradice cotton). 

As a data point: I have used a Nylon X-PAC handlebar bag that has also 
fallen victim to mildew growth - albeit not as quickly or with such 
deleterious effects - so I believe no product is 100% impervious given long 
hours in the rain without being able to come inside more often. I'm not 
expecting a miracle fabric in this regard, just curious if the newer cotton 
is any better than the older concerning microbes.

Also another thought regarding waxed cotton: I don't believe I would apply 
wax any longer. Seems to me it just traps the funk and prevents the bag 
from breathing.

Of course, this is all academic at present, as it is nearly 100 degrees 
outside with no chance of rain in sight! But I have been considering 
another saddlebag, and one thing that might prevent me from doing so would 
be the thought of microbial growth


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[RBW] WTB: Silver Shimano BL-550 brake levers

[John H.]

If anyone has a set of the generic Shimano mtb levers Riv used to sell in 
silver I'd love to take them off your hands. I'm looking for canti/short 
pull.

I may be wrong about product code, but they looked like this:
https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/105-5800/BL-R550.html


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[RBW] Re: Anybody regret their Cheviot sweater?

[EricP]

I have both a "Sargent" and regular button up sweater in XL that I don't 
wear. If anyone is interested, make me an offer and we can work out a deal. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 9:11:52 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I saw that Rivendell offered a sweater vest recently, but as someone with 
> unusually long arms, I regretted not buying one of the sleeved variety last 
> year.  I have such a hard time finding long enough sleeves that I never 
> expected the Riv sweater to fit. 
>
> What did people think of them?  Does anyone regret their purchase?
>
> Does anyone have an XL available?  I might also consider a L.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B
> Oswego, IL
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Erik,

I'm guessing your Roadini could fill the road +niche? But if you intend to
have it as your minimal, light as you can make it rider then Homer (650b?)
slotted in between Roadini/Sam would be very doable.

Yesterday saw my first encounter with a Roadini. As we approached each
other, on a path, I recognized it as a grilver Roadini and hollered at the
rider and asked him to stop so I could take a look.
You show me your Roadini and I'll show you my Homer:-) He was kind enough
to stop and chat for a few minutes (while observing proper distance). I was
impressed with the frame; much nicer in the "flesh" than in pictures. And
the components he used were well considered. All in all a handsome bike. If
not for Covid I would have asked him to swap bikes for a quick test ride.

As a bonus, while we were stopped, a double top tube orange Hillborne rode
by. Randomly seeing two Rivs in the wild in the span of a few minutes was a
first for me.

Cool that you are using the dt shifter bosses - for shifters and not cable
stops. Hope you enjoy your Roadini and thanks for posting the pic.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your
> point, Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the
> differentiating factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll
> be like MIT Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly
> I'm just wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long
> chainstays and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be
> surprised to see a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
>
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I
> swapped in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and
> am still experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.
>>   Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light
>> to medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.
>> Now both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional
>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar
>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own
>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to
>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up
>> against "Road+" type bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all
>> bags removed.. heh)
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>>>
>>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based
>>> on past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini
>>> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and
>>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam
>>> have identical builds and geometry.
>>>
>>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it
>>> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the
>>> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>>>
>>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
>>> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:

 Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam
 comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but
 never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often
 ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt
 for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is
 sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike.

 On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:

> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of
> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. 
> i
> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Can you safely convert a 126/130 hub to 135?

[Joel Stern]

Garth, my Bleriot wheels were built up with a Superbe Pro rear hub, what
could that have been, 126mm?  I measured spacers on the left side and it
seems to be 5mm, so what am I not seeing? The bike was set up with a QR and
I have never had a problem, it was all done in 2006 or so. I just want to
wrap my head around this and of course the man that built up my tires is
either retired or not with us, he was somewhat older than I am and I will
be 69 is knocking at my door. I just want to make sure I get it right for
the new Atlantis frame that I have a feeling is shipping sooner than I
thought as Riv has a notice on their site to use email as they are all
working to ship out a lot of frames.

Thanks Garth,

Joel

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>
>   It's funny you brought that up Joel as I was going to relate my
> experience with my '83 Stumpjumper. Of course it came with a 126mm
> Specialized rear hub, but my original freewheel needed replaced so I
> decided to cold set the rear to 135mm and replace the original solid axle
> with a longer solid version with equal amount spacers added to each side.
> This gave me the space for the 13-28 Sachs 6sp FW. Worked just as it should
> of course. I wouldn't recommend a QR axle.
>
>   I never thought twice about using bolt-on axles and all since that's
> what the Stumpjumper came with. Carry a suitable wrench in the tool bag of
> course. I don't ever recall getting a flat tire on that bike in all those
> years though !
>
>   I believe I used the 10x1 174 solid axle. Wheels Mfg. has all the
> necessary parts. https://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts.html
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:22:52 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I believe the answer is yes but I want to make sure.  Also, what needs to
>> be done in addition to spacers!
>>
>> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Can you safely convert a 126/130 hub to 135?

[Garth]

  It's funny you brought that up Joel as I was going to relate my 
experience with my '83 Stumpjumper. Of course it came with a 126mm 
Specialized rear hub, but my original freewheel needed replaced so I 
decided to cold set the rear to 135mm and replace the original solid axle 
with a longer solid version with equal amount spacers added to each side. 
This gave me the space for the 13-28 Sachs 6sp FW. Worked just as it should 
of course. I wouldn't recommend a QR axle. 

  I never thought twice about using bolt-on axles and all since that's what 
the Stumpjumper came with. Carry a suitable wrench in the tool bag of 
course. I don't ever recall getting a flat tire on that bike in all those 
years though ! 

  I believe I used the 10x1 174 solid axle. Wheels Mfg. has all the 
necessary parts. https://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts.html




On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:22:52 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I believe the answer is yes but I want to make sure.  Also, what needs to 
> be done in addition to spacers!
>
> Thanks
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[RBW] WTB Speedblend tires

[Rob H.]

I'm completing a bike build for a friend and I know how much she likes to 
have lots of color in her life, so I thought I'd put a feeler out to see if 
anyone has a pair of 700c Speedblend tires that they're open to parting 
with. Please let me know, thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Dave, that is another on my list.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:51 PM Dave S  wrote:

> Saris Bones is my favorite.  We have the 2 and the 3.  The 2 with the 3
> legs is easier to use/install but I was frustrated with the middle leg
> (bone?) blocking my rear wiper so I go the 3 which has two outboard legs.
> Wiper still hits 'em so I just went back to the 2.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 6:34:41 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to
>> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for
>> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Dave S]

Saris Bones is my favorite.  We have the 2 and the 3.  The 2 with the 3 
legs is easier to use/install but I was frustrated with the middle leg 
(bone?) blocking my rear wiper so I go the 3 which has two outboard legs.  
Wiper still hits 'em so I just went back to the 2.

Dave

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> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Joel 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Pancake]

Matthew, you got the mechanism right (larger diameter circle in the lever 
section where the cable is guided through causes more cable to be pulled). 

Re: Shimano 600 bar ends - I didn't know about that one but that was my 
first thought when fiddling with the shifter - can't I grind something away 
to allow more movement of the lever? A quick look told me this would be 
complicated and I did not actually want the bar end lever to stick that 
much further up (when pulling to easier gears) or further down and forward 
(when in harder gears). 
Next, I thought of the folks who mix Shimano & Campy components by 
adjusting the cable routing at the rear derailleur but the mechanics of it 
didn't quite make sense to me to get enough additional pull. For example, 
here 

 among 
many others.

But my kludge seemed the simplest version so long as you have abandoned 
hope for matching any indexing - friction for the win here. I may try the 
indexing of my rear shifter (it can work in friction or index mode) just to 
see if I randomly got it close to the right change of diameter at the 
lever, but I'm nearly certain that's just for fun and it won't index 
anymore. 

I just ordered quite a few jewelry brass bars that are 20*2*1mm, 
22.5*2*1mm, and 25*2*1mm for a few bucks and I'll bend them into arches to 
see if they fit nicely (I suspect I'll need to grind down the width a 
fraction of a millimeter). If they fit nicely I'd be happy to mail you a 
few to experiment with. 

I believe this would work equally well for Shimano bar ends, Microshift 
friction thumb levers, and others ... basically anything where you can see 
the cable guide in the lever and add something that will lay under the 
cable as you pull the lever.

While I really like the SRAM GX shifter and Crust gives it a good 
endorsement in their Turkey Vulture Supreme article, there are quite a few 
poor reviews out there. The B-screw apparently is weak and bends if pushed 
much, the derailer itself is a bit loose feeling compared with Shimano (my 
only other experience) which is another complaint others mention. But for 
me it's working very nicely - the clutch's impact is exactly what I hoped 
for compared with the Shimano XT 772 Shadow it replaced: 
+ Significantly quieter while riding.
+ No chain slap on big bumps.
+ Strong / more confident shifts - before it would make some noise after a 
shift and I'd fiddle with the level until it quieted down, but with the GX 
it's quiet right away.
- It is glossy black while I'd prefer completely silver/polished, but, meh, 
don't really care. 

The 9-speed chain is happy with this setup, I may try a 10-speed chain just 
to see if that's improves anything (my memory is that the Crust article 
said 9spd was fine). I do need to add a couple of links to the chain 
because the long change and routing of the GX take a bit more than the XT.

Abe

On Monday, 27 July 2020 at 11:10:07 UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:

> I like this stuff and I'm looking to set up something along these lines.
>
> I was having a hard time grasping it but I think I have it: 
> The bar end shifter is basically a circle (/spool/reel) wrapping & 
> releasing cable.
> The metal insert increases the radius/diameter/circumference of that 
> circle.
> Now the same travel of the lever - or same change in angle - results in a 
> larger distance moving on the outside of that circle - and more cable pull.
> Common analogy: in one rotation of a spinning record, a point on the edge 
> of the circle label in the middle travels less linear distance than does a 
> point on the outer edge of the record.
> But they both travel the same number of degrees: 360.
> Insert angular velocity stuff here.
>
> So this is different than the Shimano 600 bar end shifter and the hacked 
> versions that get more cable pull by having greater movement of the lever - 
> 180 degree swing or whatever it is.
>
> I wonder:
>
> What I can do for thumb shifters.  Hack my microshift thumb shifters or do 
> the lever+(Paul or VO or..?) "Thumby" allow for more options?  Maybe I hold 
> onto my Paul's..
>
> So the 9 speed chain is fine with the 10 speed derailer?
> Would a 10 speed chain be better?  I hear reports of 10 spd chain on 9 spd 
> casette is good.
>
> Definitely go with the Sram clutch (rear) derailer instead of a Shimano?
>
> Thats all I can recall.
> Thank you much for sharing.
>
> -Matthew 
> San Diego
>
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 10:26:53 AM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>>
>> 40 miles today across Napa to Lake Hennessy and back with the new setup: 
>> great! Significantly quieter and shifts great, better than the XT RD before.
>>
>> Abe
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 05:48:41 UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> This is the sort of hack I envisioned for my NOS Mavic/Simplex DT shift 
>>> levers pertinent for 9-Spd before I accepted that they were going to be 
>>> just way too dang far do

Re: [RBW] Re: HHH ride report

[Deborah Coffin]

 Thanks for mentioning that! I’m up in Montreal frequently during the summers I 
spend in the Adirondacks, and I didn’t know about it. Looks fun.

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[RBW] Re: Cable pull modification hack for 9S shifter/cassette, 10S clutch derailleur (SRAM GX)

[Matthew P]

I like this stuff and I'm looking to set up something along these lines.

I was having a hard time grasping it but I think I have it: 
The bar end shifter is basically a circle (/spool/reel) wrapping & 
releasing cable.
The metal insert increases the radius/diameter/circumference of that circle.
Now the same travel of the lever - or same change in angle - results in a 
larger distance moving on the outside of that circle - and more cable pull.
Common analogy: in one rotation of a spinning record, a point on the edge 
of the circle label in the middle travels less linear distance than does a 
point on the outer edge of the record.
But they both travel the same number of degrees: 360.
Insert angular velocity stuff here.

So this is different than the Shimano 600 bar end shifter and the hacked 
versions that get more cable pull by having greater movement of the lever - 
180 degree swing or whatever it is.

I wonder:

What I can do for thumb shifters.  Hack my microshift thumb shifters or do 
the lever+(Paul or VO or..?) "Thumby" allow for more options?  Maybe I hold 
onto my Paul's..

So the 9 speed chain is fine with the 10 speed derailer?
Would a 10 speed chain be better?  I hear reports of 10 spd chain on 9 spd 
casette is good.

Definitely go with the Sram clutch (rear) derailer instead of a Shimano?

Thats all I can recall.
Thank you much for sharing.

-Matthew 
San Diego


On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 10:26:53 AM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> 40 miles today across Napa to Lake Hennessy and back with the new setup: 
> great! Significantly quieter and shifts great, better than the XT RD before.
>
> Abe
>
> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 05:48:41 UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> This is the sort of hack I envisioned for my NOS Mavic/Simplex DT shift 
>> levers pertinent for 9-Spd before I accepted that they were going to be 
>> just way too dang far down there on a 64cm frame to worry about if or how 
>> well they worked. If the functional capstan diameter around which the cable 
>> wraps as the lever is rotated was increased.by some amount, the 
>> wonderful shifting feel could carry on into the 9-Speed world. 
>>
>> I thought about a tube of a particular wall thickness to put the cable 
>> through that had a widened end to stop in the lever's recess for the cable 
>> end bead. The hole drilled through the lever for the cable enlarged enough 
>> to accept both  the thickness of the cable and added sleeve. The bead 
>> recess enlarged, if needed, to continue acting as the stop for both the 
>> cable and the sleeve. Flexibility would help insert through the lever 
>> passage, being more rigid and shaped would cause less cable tension to make 
>> it take shape as would be operated and cause less "noise" to the shifting 
>> function as tension is taken and given during shifts. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:51:04 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Good work.  APPROVE.  
>>>
>>> In 2020, 3D printing is totally dialed.  Somebody with the time and the 
>>> CAD station could build a 3D model of an accessory piece that would snap 
>>> onto a Silver shifter, increasing the cable pull.  Post that model on 
>>> Shapeways.com and anybody in the world could click and order it in plastic 
>>> or metal.  Plastic would be fine.  The price of these things are purely 
>>> based on the volume of material because that represents how long the 
>>> printer is running.  Such a piece would only cost a couple bucks to print.  
>>> Charge $15 for it and make a decent margin.  That would be cool!  I'd buy 
>>> one.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 8:53:12 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 More corrections: measured with calipers and my estimates were not 
 great for the size of the added metal piece:

 25mm long. Could probably be 20mm long and work equally well.
 1.8mm wide
 0.8mm thick



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Linda, that and the fullback are on my list.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Linda G  wrote:

> I have a Yakima Halfback on my Honda Civic sedan. I've been looking into
> buying a Crosstrek and read that it will fit that vehicle as well. I is
> very solid and it's easy to secure the bike to it. The bike and rack do not
> move around once everything is secured on the car. It folds up very nicely
> for storage.The downsides are that the rack is heavy (26 lbs.) and you need
> good grip strength to twist the large dials to fold and unfold the rack.
> On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 3:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to
>> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for
>> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Joel
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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Linda G]

I have a Yakima Halfback on my Honda Civic sedan. I've been looking into 
buying a Crosstrek and read that it will fit that vehicle as well. I is 
very solid and it's easy to secure the bike to it. The bike and rack do not 
move around once everything is secured on the car. It folds up very nicely 
for storage.The downsides are that the rack is heavy (26 lbs.) and you need 
good grip strength to twist the large dials to fold and unfold the rack. 
On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 3:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Joel 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.   
Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light to 
medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.  Now both 
are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional detail 
> from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar comments. 
> Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own both (swap 
> my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to more of a 
> touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up against "Road+" 
> type bikes. 
> 
> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all bags 
> removed.. heh)
> 
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Jason,
>> 
>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>> 
>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
>> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames 
>> weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
>> have identical builds and geometry.
>> 
>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
>> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
>> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>> 
>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal fenders 
>> and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often 
>>> ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt 
>>> for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is 
>>> sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike. 
>>> 
 On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
 hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
 rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
 love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
 
 
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

[Joel Stern]

Nice photography.
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 9:05:09 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> COVID gave me time to spruce up my website  and 
> it's at a point where I'm comfortable making it public. The majority of it 
> is dedicated to riding and the surroundings I'm lucky enough to see and 
> document, so I figured I'd share it here. 
>
> Enjoy! 
> - Andrew
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[RBW] Can you safely convert a 126/130 hub to 135?

[Joel Stern]

I believe the answer is yes but I want to make sure.  Also, what needs to 
be done in addition to spacers!

Thanks

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[RBW] WTB: 60cm Appaloosa, complete or frameset, blue, any condition

[Jay P]

I've long wanted an Appaloosa and the 58cm is a bit small, and prefer the 
single top tube.

If you have a lightly or heavily used 60cm in blue you'd be interested in 
selling (complete or some parts or no parts), please be in touch !

Thank you 

Jay Primus
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jason Fuller]

Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional detail 
from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar comments. 
Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own both (swap 
my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to more of a 
touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up against 
"Road+" type bikes. 

I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all 
bags removed.. heh)

On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Jason,
>
> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>
> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini 
> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
> have identical builds and geometry.
>
> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it 
> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the 
> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>
> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal 
> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often 
>> ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt 
>> for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is 
>> sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike. 
>>
>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

[Ryan M.]

I finally had a chance to check it out. Very nice! Thanks for sharing it! You 
have some good bikes and really nice places to ride them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever hear of a parts builder OMAS.

[Joel Stern]

I got lucky, I let the guy know I printed up all of our messages where he
stated made in Italy, OMAS.  He never replied to me but the issued a
credit.  I should know better, this was a good reminder.

Thanks Garth,

Joel

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:31 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>Joel, Ebay states in the policy to contact the seller first to try to
> resolve all issues, I forget the exact number of days but it's not that
> many. If the seller plays "I'm dumb, take the money and run" after that
> time Ebay will intervene and refund. It may take a online chat, but be
> polite, be firm, stick to the facts, and they will follow through..
> Alternatively, I've had only success with Paypal Buyer Protection on any
> such issues also, phone calls or chat. With both companies I've found email
> the least effective, then chats and telephone calls the most. All's Well !
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 5:44:38 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> So the eBay story, the seller will no longer answering  my messages, eBay
>> and paypal are no help. Reported to CC company, took card off of paypal and
>> bank balance is now only $5.  I have his eBay messages, so they have access
>> where he states that it is an OMAS Italian made hubset so it will not be a
>> problem, just a pain until I can file a report.  I have told him not to
>> ship it, all of my documentation is now printed out and in a file.
>>
>> I hate when I screw up.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:27 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes I have discovered that.  Thanks
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:01 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>

   Hey Joel, the hubs in that listing are not OMAS hubs !  They don't
 even have a brand label on them. OMAS rear hubs were 126mm and they went
 out of business before 135mm hubs were even invented for mtb's. The axle
 assembly looks very cheap, The QR appears aftermarket.   The seller used a
 brand name(with a question mark) to get attention, then in the listing said
 "don't know the maker". That's a misrepresentation of the
 hubs(double-talk), intentional or not. You have every "right" to request a
 refund. Your choice of course.



 On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote
>
> Thanks Garth, I just bought them. Finally negotiated no shipping fee.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-OMAS-hubs-Set-HIGH-Polish-36h-front-rear-100mm-135mm-Freewheel-Vintage/172519796031?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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[RBW] Re: Paul Mini Moto brakes

[Patch T]

I wouldn't recommend it and I only did it to see if it would fit - *but* - 
I once recently mounted 27.5 x 2.1 Thunderburts under my Minimotos and the 
straddle cable did not rub. There was a cm of clearance, maybe.

Patch
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[RBW] Re: FS: Park TS-2Di Dial Indicator Gauge Set

[lconley]

PM sent

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:07:05 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
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> I cannot pm until Monday - Maintence on the system at work this weekend

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[RBW] Re: RBW Business Model

[Mark Roland]

+1 well written, Paul. You should post this over on one of the IBoB Riv 
scuffles!!

On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I think that Grant is maybe brilliant, and was a significant influence in 
> moving the bike industry and product offerings towards more practical 
> products that better fit the needs of non-racers. I wouldn't be comfortable 
> saying he has a better understanding of bike design than any other living 
> individual. That's a pretty tall statement. No disrespect meant to Grant at 
> all, and it's not like I can rattle off the names of other 
> builders/designers who I think have a better understanding of bike design. 
> I mainly can't wrap my head around how you'd even begin to analyze and 
> quantify that.
>
> Grant moved the market by focusing on product and meeting an unmet demand. 
> He recognized the disconnect between what bicycle market segments had 
> become, and what kind of product would actually be practical and fun for 
> non-racers to ride. His first product move in that direction wasn't a 
> radically new design, it was a modern revision of a 30yr-old+ market 
> segment: a relatively lightweight, performance-oriented road frame that had 
> better tire clearances and more relaxed geometry/handling than a typical 
> contemporary road/race frame, without the extra weight and stiffness of a 
> traditional touring frame. That market segment in the production bike world 
> had mostly disappeared, and Grant brought it back to life. 
>
> I don't want to minimize that in the least, because it took vision to see 
> that, and cojones to bring something to market that almost no other product 
> manager thought was missing, or that even had a place. But it also didn't 
> come out of nowhere. People were still riding '70s-era Cinellis, Mercians, 
> Raleigh Internationals, Schwinn Paramounts. Custom American builders had 
> built lots of sport-touring frames through the '70s and into the '80s, and 
> a lot of those bikes were still around. Grant's contribution was seeing 
> those designs not as a dead end, but a way forward. 
>
> Grant and his products have come a long way since then, as has the bicycle 
> market as a whole. I don't know that if it wasn't for Grant, no factories 
> would be building drop-bar road frames that fit tires wider than 28mm, or 
> be spec'ing production road-ish frames with flat/upright bars. But he 
> certainly got the ball rolling, and demonstrated there was demand for 
> non-racing bikes that weren't ATBs or hybrids.
>
> And bringing it back to his business model, in relation to his product, he 
> certainly knows his customer base, and he knows how to reach beyond it a 
> bit as well.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:10:22 AM UTC-4, jack loudon wrote:
> [snips]
>
>> In all cases, the Riv model was the archetype for my choices, and I'm 
>> pretty sure, with no first-hand experience, that Grant has a better 
>> understanding of bicycle design than any other living person.  I do think 
>> his frames can be needlessly stiff, and I'm not a particular fan of ornate 
>> lugs, but that does not take away from what he has accomplished. 
>>
>> Jack - Seattle
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever hear of a parts builder OMAS.

[Garth]

 
   Joel, Ebay states in the policy to contact the seller first to try to 
resolve all issues, I forget the exact number of days but it's not that 
many. If the seller plays "I'm dumb, take the money and run" after that 
time Ebay will intervene and refund. It may take a online chat, but be 
polite, be firm, stick to the facts, and they will follow through.. 
Alternatively, I've had only success with Paypal Buyer Protection on any 
such issues also, phone calls or chat. With both companies I've found email 
the least effective, then chats and telephone calls the most. All's Well ! 

   

  


On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 5:44:38 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> So the eBay story, the seller will no longer answering  my messages, eBay 
> and paypal are no help. Reported to CC company, took card off of paypal and 
> bank balance is now only $5.  I have his eBay messages, so they have access 
> where he states that it is an OMAS Italian made hubset so it will not be a 
> problem, just a pain until I can file a report.  I have told him not to 
> ship it, all of my documentation is now printed out and in a file.  
>
> I hate when I screw up.  
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:27 PM Joel Stern  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes I have discovered that.  Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 4:01 PM Garth > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   Hey Joel, the hubs in that listing are not OMAS hubs !  They don't 
>>> even have a brand label on them. OMAS rear hubs were 126mm and they went 
>>> out of business before 135mm hubs were even invented for mtb's. The axle 
>>> assembly looks very cheap, The QR appears aftermarket.   The seller used a 
>>> brand name(with a question mark) to get attention, then in the listing said 
>>> "don't know the maker". That's a misrepresentation of the 
>>> hubs(double-talk), intentional or not. You have every "right" to request a 
>>> refund. Your choice of course. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote

 Thanks Garth, I just bought them. Finally negotiated no shipping fee.  


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