[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[ted]

Necessary? No. Handy and useful? Yes. Will one make the occasional head 
check entirely superfluous? No.
On upright back swept bars the german mirror RBW sells is great (have two 
of those).
On drop bars (and longer rides with more country road miles) I'm liking the 
GB mirror from RH in conjunction with a varia 510 rear radar these days. 
(silly expensive setup. but, if you can pay for it, nice).

I think this is one of those areas where different folks find different 
things suit them best. So since you are interested, I encourage you to get 
a reasonably priced one (lots of good suggestions here) and see how you 
like it. There is nothing like trying for knowing.


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

This is interesting; thanks!

I hate taping bars, so probably no harlequinade, though.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:39 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The complimentary colors rule is that those sitting opposite on the color
> wheel are "best", that's why sports teams go with the rule. As Jason said,
> Knicks blue and orange or Laker purple and yellow, classic compliments. But
> compliments mean that colors look more like themselves, maybe even too
> much. So, with that in mind, my vote is the green and orange. Yellow would
> be nice on the blue...  but harlequin everything and it's that much better.
> Better Homes and Gardens guide to color picking-
> https://www.bhg.com/decorating/color/basics/color-wheel-color-chart/
> -Kai
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color,
>> I jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me
>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>
>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be
>> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>
>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike
>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is
>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>
>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green
>> ...? Also shown below.
>>
>> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since
>> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> --
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, no black or grey frame, alas.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM eddietheflay  wrote:

> black or dark grey frame with orange tape.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color,
>> I jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me
>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>
>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be
>> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>
>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike
>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is
>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>
>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green
>> ...? Also shown below.
>>
>> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since
>> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The complimentary colors rule is that those sitting opposite on the color 
wheel are "best", that's why sports teams go with the rule. As Jason said, 
Knicks blue and orange or Laker purple and yellow, classic compliments. But 
compliments mean that colors look more like themselves, maybe even too 
much. So, with that in mind, my vote is the green and orange. Yellow would 
be nice on the blue...  but harlequin everything and it's that much better.
Better Homes and Gardens guide to color picking-
https://www.bhg.com/decorating/color/basics/color-wheel-color-chart/
-Kai


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
> wondering just what I will do with it.
>
> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be 
> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>
> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
> getting work to point of replacement.
>
> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
> ...? Also shown below.
>
> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since 
> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Nick Payne]

I've used helmet or eyeglass-mounted mirrors for the past 40+ years. For 
the past decade or so I've been using the Cycleaware helmet-mounted mirrors:




Nick

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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[eddietheflay]

black or dark grey frame with orange tape.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
> wondering just what I will do with it.
>
> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be 
> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>
> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
> getting work to point of replacement.
>
> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
> ...? Also shown below.
>
> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since 
> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agree with Joe about the Mirrycle MTB bars. Just a great mirror. For drops, 
I've used the German mirror, Italian Road Bike Mirror, and the Rene Herse 
one. The Rene Herse one is a bit fiddly to set up and is small, but once 
it's set, it works fine. Has the advantage of going into the bar end and 
not under the bar tape. The Italian Road Bike Mirror, once set up, has a 
larger viewing area than the Herse, and I like it a lot. The rub is that it 
either goes under the bar tape, in which case it can shift when you're 
wrapping the tape, or it goes on top, and you have to use electrical or 
extra bar tape to secure it in place. The German mirror has the largest 
viewing area. It's not as elegant as the Herse or Italian.
Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I use bar mirrors religiously and refuse to ride the road without them. 
> For Bullmoose and other flattish bars I recommend the Mirrycle MTB bar-end 
> mirror, it's fantastic. 
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
>> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
>> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
>> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>>
>> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
>> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
>> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

Jason: Which green, the BRG or the sage green?

Thanks.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:18 PM Jason D  wrote:

> I think it would look sweet on that green bike! I'd go with that one. Blue
> one would work too -- it would look like New York Knicks.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color,
>> I jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me
>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>
>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be
>> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>
>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike
>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is
>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>
>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green
>> ...? Also shown below.
>>
>> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since
>> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> --
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] FS 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass TC

[Carla Waugh]

700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass TC Standard casing with less than 100 miles. 130 for 
the pair. If you need photos send an email. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Joe Bernard]

I use bar mirrors religiously and refuse to ride the road without them. For 
Bullmoose and other flattish bars I recommend the Mirrycle MTB bar-end 
mirror, it's fantastic. 

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Rick Thompson]

I put one of these Hafney bar end mirrors on a bike several years ago: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AVHQB22/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
It has a good field of view, is sturdy and not expensive compared to some 
like the Berthoud (which does look more elegant). I was not normally a 
mirror user, since trying several glasses or helmet mounted ones and not 
liking them, but now I do use this one and have the same on 6 bikes with 
both flat and drop bars. General situational awareness is good, and a 
mirror just adds to that. If a car is approaching from behind I cannot tell 
from the sound if it's giving a wide clearance or plans to cut it close. I 
can also see cars approaching from far back on country roads and do some 
safety swerves as they approach.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>

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Re: [RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Dorothy Crees]

I have WTB 1.95 inch All terrains on my 45cm Clem. They are knobby but not
unpleasantly so for asphalt riding, although I see the WTB website is
currently sold out.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> With everyone refreshing their old bikes this year, the supply of 26”
> tires has really been strained. It should be a temporary interruption.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
>
>> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten
>> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under
>> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then
>> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which
>> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not
>> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single
>> track.  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't
>> been able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but
>> with light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads
>> appreciated.
>>
>> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to
>> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could
>> corner the market.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Jason D]

I think it would look sweet on that green bike! I'd go with that one. Blue 
one would work too -- it would look like New York Knicks.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
> wondering just what I will do with it.
>
> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be 
> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>
> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
> getting work to point of replacement.
>
> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
> ...? Also shown below.
>
> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since 
> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Eric Daume]

With everyone refreshing their old bikes this year, the supply of 26” tires
has really been strained. It should be a temporary interruption.

Eric

On Friday, August 28, 2020, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single
> track.  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't
> been able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but
> with light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads
> appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could
> corner the market.
>
> Michael
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[RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[eddietheflay]

in 20 years of cycling, this is my favorite thread of all time. whatever 
happened to smell o vision? or pu tube?

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:31:03 PM UTC-7, John P. in SF wrote:
>
> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>
> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
> have been enjoying it.
>
> However.
>
> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
> I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
> B-17.
>
> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>
> Thanks in advance, 
>
> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.
>

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Patrick Moore]

I used several different kinds of glasses-mount, helmet mount, and bar
mount mirrors for several years, and found I didn't trust them; I preferred
then and still prefer listening and learning how to glance over my left
shoulder while holding a straight line. I find that having to listen to
traffic approaching from the rear keeps me more alert -- at least, I think
it does; it has been 14-15 years since I used a mirror.

I commuted across town 15-16 miles in rush hour traffic, often after dark,
for years, so I am familiar with keeping one's riding wits about one.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 AM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your
> recommendations for rearview mirrors?
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Re: [RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Patrick Moore]

I thought Tioga made the Powerblock in 26" but Google says "no."

Tioga still offers the 26" City Slicker, at least per their website:
https://www.tiogausa.com/city-sliker.html

Me, I just ordered a pair of the Lightweight Naches Passes -- yep, $87
each, near twice what the cheap tires on my car tires cost.

+ 1 for a market leader 26" X 38-to-45 mm tire in the Rivendell product
lineup.



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:23 PM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single
> track.  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't
> been able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but
> with light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads
> appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could
> corner the market.
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Steven Sweedler]

Michael, have you looked at Schwalbe Big Apples in 26 x 2.0 or larger if
they will fit. Have worked well for me on a loaded touring bike, though no
tandem experience. Steve

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:23 PM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single
> track.  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't
> been able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but
> with light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads
> appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could
> corner the market.
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Edwin W]

Lyman wrote about german mirror on albstache " i have not found a way to 
mount them without interfering with hand grip"
I had one on Noodles for awhile and found that to be a perfect match, 
better than when I had it on albatross. I just switched back to albatross 
and found that the mirror just foreward of my grip, about six inches from 
the bar end does a fairly good job. Does the albastache have enough room 
there for grip and mirror, or does the bar bend too soon?

Edwin

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:07:22 PM UTC-5, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I highly recommended mirrors.  Ive always used the German one mounted on 
> drop bars. However, with my new Albatasche  bars, i have not found a way to 
> mount them without interfering with hand grip.  Any help there would be 
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Lyman
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM Matthew Williams  > wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
>> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
>> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
>> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>>
>> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
>> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
>> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Edwin W]

Good ol' Pasela... probably would have the same side wall issues (wearing 
out before the tread), but much cheaper!
https://www.amazon.com/Panaracer-Pasela-1-75-Wire-Bead/dp/B00B01L9GM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pb_opt?ie=UTF8

Edwin

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 4:23:28 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
> corner the market. 
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Michael Hechmer]

Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
 The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.

The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
corner the market. 

Michael

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[RBW] WTT: 42 cm Maes Parallel **Non-Extralight** bar for 40 mm same, 25.4 mm clamp.

[Patrick Moore]

Important: The measurements are at the center of the hooks.

My 42/25.4 cm is well used: I bought it used but not heavily used by the
previous owner, and I used it lightly -- about half pavement and half
acequia dirt roads, on soft fat tires; no singletrack nor jumps -- for
1,100 miles. I'm 175.

If your 40 is newer, am happy to add consideration in the English Common
Law sense as well as the social sense.

*Note: I do not want an extralight model, thanks.*

Thanks, Patrick Moore, who has just ordered a 44 for the Road Bike for Dirt
and wants a 40 for the Libertas road bike, eking out his days by increments
of 2 cm.

*Again: 40 cm at center of hooks!*

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[RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[ascpgh]

I should have added that "odor removal" will just be eliminating the final 
product of a potential process in play given the potential processes at 
work on that saddle. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:04:31 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> The saddle's previous owner may have used some home brewed leather 
> poultice whose fats are rancidifying. Oxidative and hydrolytic processes 
> are the usual manners producing objectionable aromas, butyric acids from 
> the former, aldehydes or ketones from the latter. Proofhide and Obenauf's 
> must include antioxidative materials to prevent such of their own 
> ingredients. 
>
> Microbial or fungal activity can produce the breakdown as well. Vitamin E 
> can slow or stop this effect. Would have to be alert to softening the 
> leather and choose how long you let it be in contact before wiping off the 
> excess. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4, John P. in SF wrote:
>>
>> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>>
>> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
>> have been enjoying it.
>>
>> However.
>>
>> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
>> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
>> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
>> I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
>> B-17.
>>
>> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance, 
>>
>> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he 
>> wanted.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[ascpgh]

The saddle's previous owner may have used some home brewed leather poultice 
whose fats are rancidifying. Oxidative and hydrolytic processes are the 
usual manners producing objectionable aromas, butyric acids from the 
former, aldehydes or ketones from the latter. Proofhide and Obenauf's must 
include antioxidative materials to prevent such of their own ingredients. 

Microbial or fungal activity can produce the breakdown as well. Vitamin E 
can slow or stop this effect. Would have to be alert to softening the 
leather and choose how long you let it be in contact before wiping off the 
excess. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4, John P. in SF wrote:
>
> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>
> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
> have been enjoying it.
>
> However.
>
> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
> I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
> B-17.
>
> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>
> Thanks in advance, 
>
> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.
>

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[RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[Jan O.]

Beautiful badge Olivier. Bravo!

Jan
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[Roberta]

It's a nice looking head badge.  I'm going to get a bike, just to have that 
head badge  :) .

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:41:00 PM UTC-4, Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
> Thank you for the kind words, Kim, Mark, Leah and David. It means a whole 
> lot. The pressure was on to not mess this one up and I'm very very glad of 
> the positive feedback so far; so is Grant. YaY!
> Sam, without knowing geometry details, the Platypus looks like a Cheviot 
> with curved seat stays (mucho elegant) and break posts to allow V-breaks. I 
> believe it also has a bit more clearance for wider tires. In short: awesome!
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 9:44:59 AM UTC-7 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> Here's a photo on our Instagram 
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CECGYWwnzqg/
>>
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:16 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:30 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
 I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head 
 badge. 
 And, for my own viewing pleasure.

 Thank you Olivier!

 David Lipsky
 Berkeley, CA


 On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat 
 wrote:
>
> ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus 
> by way of sample badge. 
> Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.
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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[Olivier Chételat]

Thank you for the kind words, Kim, Mark, Leah and David. It means a whole 
lot. The pressure was on to not mess this one up and I'm very very glad of 
the positive feedback so far; so is Grant. YaY!
Sam, without knowing geometry details, the Platypus looks like a Cheviot 
with curved seat stays (mucho elegant) and break posts to allow V-breaks. I 
believe it also has a bit more clearance for wider tires. In short: awesome!

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 9:44:59 AM UTC-7 John A. Bennett wrote:

> Here's a photo on our Instagram 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CECGYWwnzqg/
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:16 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:30 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
>>> I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head 
>>> badge. 
>>> And, for my own viewing pleasure.
>>>
>>> Thank you Olivier!
>>>
>>> David Lipsky
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat 
>>> wrote:

 ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus 
 by way of sample badge. 
 Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.

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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

[Paul Brodek]

NOS: New Old Stock: usually referring to something no longer available, 
more specifically discontinued, no longer in production
NIB: New In Box: could be currently available item, or limited edition but 
current item
NIP: New In Package: same as NIB
Unused: what it says, not saying it's new, it's not packaged, but appears 
to have never been used

Lots of variables and such here. What does New mean? In some corners, if it 
was purchased by an end user, it's no longer considered New. NOS would have 
to come from a mfr/wholesaler/retailer. Others are more generous with their 
interpretation.

It's easy to claim an Unused item is NOS, but without original packaging 
it's hard to be sure the item is actually new.

Amongst the Geek Tribe, whatever their object of desire, the siren call of 
NOS/NIB is like catnip. Eyes widen, pluses race, alertness spikes, eyeballs 
dart, head motions become frantic...

NOS/NIB generally commands a premium over simply NOS. Some who are actually 
going to use an item don't want to pay a premium for original 
packaging---you can't use the item when it's still in the package. Others 
will pay a steep premium for NIB/NIP. That's why a simply very clean, 
apparently unused Campagnolo Super Record rear derailleur might sell for 
$200, while you can expect to pay $350+ for NIB one. 

Paul Brodek, neither NOS nor NIB
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:12:41 PM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> What does acronym NOS mean?  Could not find it.
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 1:12 PM Joel > 
> wrote:
>
>> 2 NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32 in original package, stored in dark 
>> basement, not humid, not dry.  
>>
>> $70 shipped or best offer if this seems high.  
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

[Lyman Labry]

Great.  Thanks!

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> New Old Stock.
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-7, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
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>> What does acronym NOS mean?  Could not find it.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 1:12 PM Joel  wrote:
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>>> 2 NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32 in original package, stored in dark
>>> basement, not humid, not dry.
>>>
>>> $70 shipped or best offer if this seems high.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

[Jan O.]

New Old Stock.


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-7, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
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> What does acronym NOS mean?  Could not find it.
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 1:12 PM Joel > 
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>> 2 NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32 in original package, stored in dark 
>> basement, not humid, not dry.  
>>
>> $70 shipped or best offer if this seems high.  
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>> Thanks 
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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

[Lyman Labry]

What does acronym NOS mean?  Could not find it.
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Paul Brodek]

Pardon the self-reply, but maybe my cheapo mirror offer was on ibob, not 
here? If so, apologies for my grumpiness. Too many forums..

And while I'm typing, I did use eyeglass mirrors, and helmet mirrors, back 
in the day. The eyeglass ones became inconvenient as my eyewear collection 
grew, and as sunglasses started getting weird-shaped frames. And I found 
the helmet ones were always in danger of damage when my helmet was off, 
often needed a bunch of fiddling/adjusting, had a very small viewing image 
that was also way too far away from my skull, and I always had to 
adjust/crane my neck to get the view I wanted.

I find the bar-end position much, much better, and the Sprintechs hold 
their position well while still being easy to adjust. 

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 2:52:14 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I'm primarily a drop-bar rider, and my fave is the Spintech bar-end 
> mirror. Have 'em on everything that doesn't have bar-cons, on the left side 
> only. Pretty indispensable for me once I got used to them. On the few 2x/3x 
> vintage bar-con builds I have, I'm constantly looking down for feedback, 
> and seeing only air.
>
> There is an Italian bar-end mirror, evidently named the IRBM, that's more 
> compact and sleeker, which I haven't tried. Looking at it I'd assume 
> there'd be more body blockage, since it has both less viewing area than the 
> Sprintech, and isn't articulated. But since I haven't use one, I don't know 
> that for sure.
>
> There's also a Berthoud bar-end mirror that looks gorgeous, which Rene 
> Herse carries. It also has less viewing area than the Sprintech, but looks 
> like maybe less body blockage than the Italian one?
>
> I've used a whole bunch of cheaper-but-similar-looking mirrors to the 
> Sprintech, including CycleAware, and they all unfailingly break. The mirror 
> stem is too thin, or the material's too cheap, or too rigid, or all of the 
> above. Anyhow, they always break. 
>
> We had this discussion a while back, when I still had a pile of the cheapo 
> mirrors that I replaced before failure, and I offered them here for folks 
> to try at $5/pr, just to cover shipping. Nobody took me up on the offer, so 
> I threw them all out. So now if you want to try the cheapos to see if 
> they'll hold up for you, you'll have to pay retail.
>
> Harumph.
>
> Forgive me, evidently I'm a little hangry.
>
> Some overviews here:
> https://www.thegeekycyclist.com/best-things/bike-mirrors/
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
>> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
>> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
>> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>>
>> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
>> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
>> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Paul Brodek]

I'm primarily a drop-bar rider, and my fave is the Spintech bar-end mirror. 
Have 'em on everything that doesn't have bar-cons, on the left side only. 
Pretty indispensable for me once I got used to them. On the few 2x/3x 
vintage bar-con builds I have, I'm constantly looking down for feedback, 
and seeing only air.

There is an Italian bar-end mirror, evidently named the IRBM, that's more 
compact and sleeker, which I haven't tried. Looking at it I'd assume 
there'd be more body blockage, since it has both less viewing area than the 
Sprintech, and isn't articulated. But since I haven't use one, I don't know 
that for sure.

There's also a Berthoud bar-end mirror that looks gorgeous, which Rene 
Herse carries. It also has less viewing area than the Sprintech, but looks 
like maybe less body blockage than the Italian one?

I've used a whole bunch of cheaper-but-similar-looking mirrors to the 
Sprintech, including CycleAware, and they all unfailingly break. The mirror 
stem is too thin, or the material's too cheap, or too rigid, or all of the 
above. Anyhow, they always break. 

We had this discussion a while back, when I still had a pile of the cheapo 
mirrors that I replaced before failure, and I offered them here for folks 
to try at $5/pr, just to cover shipping. Nobody took me up on the offer, so 
I threw them all out. So now if you want to try the cheapos to see if 
they'll hold up for you, you'll have to pay retail.

Harumph.

Forgive me, evidently I'm a little hangry.

Some overviews here:
https://www.thegeekycyclist.com/best-things/bike-mirrors/

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[Adam Leibow]

My wife has those wheels on her Sam Hillborne and she loves the 
multicolored nipples. They are machine built wheels. My theory about all 
the braze-ons is they just give you way too many so you can mount any kind 
of rack + fenders + reflectors and doo-dads of all sorts. Ultra 
flexibility. 

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:18:40 AM UTC-7 EricP wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Cool. Mine is due on Monday in St. Paul. Am really getting excited about 
> it. Saw one near our place back in June. Smaller frame. Just love the look 
> of the bike. And that's not easy for me anymore. Have all the parts needed 
> to get riding. Even though I have Big Bens waiting, might give the stock 
> tires a try first. And yes, it follows that since I have a new bike due, 
> the weather forecast is for rain.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Mine is supposed to show up tomorrow. I'm super antsy for it!
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:30:38 AM UTC-5, Kurt Henry wrote:
>>>
>>> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
>>> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
>>> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>>>
>>> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color 
>>> that doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  
>>> Such a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
>>> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
>>> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
>>> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
>>> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
>>> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
>>> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
>>> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>>>
>>> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
>>> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
>>> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
>>> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
>>> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
>>> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
>>> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
>>> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
>>> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
>>> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>>>
>>> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the 
>>> block a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not 
>>> expect.  There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into 
>>> the stay (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts 
>>> have more eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part 
>>> way up the seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of 
>>> fenders (or perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets 
>>> behind the rear dropout intended for?
>>>
>>> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
>>> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
>>> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
>>> surprise!
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>> Kurt Henry
>>> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>>>
>>> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive 
>>> side.  I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), 
>>> realized it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's 
>>> jeep for a quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] NOS Cyprus Grand Bois 650bx 32

[Joel Stern]

Spoken for

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[RBW] NOS Cyprus Grand Bois 650bx 32

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2 NOS Cyprus Grand Bois 650bx32.  Asking $70 shipped.  

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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

[Joel Stern]

Cyprus.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:22 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Cyprus, sorry
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:12 PM Joel  wrote:
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>> 2 NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32 in original package, stored in dark
>> basement, not humid, not dry.
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>> $70 shipped or best offer if this seems high.
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Re: [RBW] FS: NOS CYPRESS Grand Bois 650bx32

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Cyprus, sorry

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

They come in 50mm 

 
width too. 

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Thanks Justin!  Thanks Paul!
>
> Maybe those knobs are causing an optical illusion that makes the tires 
> look wider than 42mm looking at the picture.
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> On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:57:56 UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
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>> JINX!!!
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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Lyman Labry]

Hi,
I highly recommended mirrors.  Ive always used the German one mounted on
drop bars. However, with my new Albatasche  bars, i have not found a way to
mount them without interfering with hand grip.  Any help there would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Lyman

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne Frameset

[Jason Fuller]

Golden Pliers (local shop to you) posted in their Instagram stories 
yesterday with the message "We've got Sam Hillbornes coming. You want 
one?".  I highly recommend getting in touch with them! They will be blue or 
gold-ish. I don't know when they arrive but I think within a month, maybe 
two. 

I know you were probably thinking used but I can't imagine you'd save 
enough going used to be worthwhile when you have a local new 
option--especially when looking for just the frameset. 



On Thursday, 27 August 2020 at 22:32:21 UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:

> Interested in buying a used 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne framest. Let me know 
> if you have one available. I am in Portland, OR if you happen to be local 
> or close. I'm interested in most colors EXCEPT black. Thanks! 
>

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[Ash]

Still can't see :)

On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 08:52:17 UTC-7 eric swain wrote:

> That would explain why I'm getting so many emails asking for permission to 
> view the pics! Ok, got it fixed.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:17 AM Max Diener  wrote:
>
>> Just an FYI that you may need to change permissions on those photos so 
>> others can view them--I'm getting denied!
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:30:58 AM UTC-5, eric swain wrote:
>>>
>>> Hang on. You folks may want some pics. Here ya go!
>>>  IMG_7294.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7295.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7296.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7297.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7298.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7299.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7300.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7301.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7302.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7303.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7304.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7305.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7306.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7307.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7308.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7309.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7310.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7311.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7312.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7313.JPG 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:32 AM eric swain  wrote:
>>>

 Hi everybody!

 So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about 
 this for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a 
 shame this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so 
 I'm selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really 
 appropriate for the list but send me a message if interested). 

 About the bike. 

 Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes 
 AND disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs 
 has been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, 
 nothing major, just honest use. 

 Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of 
 a cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it 
 if you like.

 Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver

 Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver

 Bar Tape: Blackburn, white

 Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped 
 lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed, 
 just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)

 Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake 
 adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors

 Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a 
 campy/shimano mix, works great!)

 Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple

 Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34

 Chain: Sram 951

 Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46 
 mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)

 Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm

 Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black

 Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed 
 road freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
 hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.

 Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls

 Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass 
 nipples

[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Ash]

Thanks Justin!  Thanks Paul!

Maybe those knobs are causing an optical illusion that makes the tires look 
wider than 42mm looking at the picture.



On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:57:56 UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> JINX!!!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Paul Richardson]

JINX!!!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Paul Richardson]

I'm putting my money on Soma Cazadero.

paul
takoma park, md.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I think it's a Soma Cazadero 


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:27:11 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Does anyone recognize the tire on the orange Hillborne in Danville, CA?
>
>
>
> On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:00:55 UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Sam Hillborne with e-bike conversion
>> 60cm 
>> 3000 
>> Bellingham, WA 
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/point-roberts-rivendell-samuel/7184801193.html
>>  
>>
>> Sam Hillborne 
>> 51cm 
>> 2600 
>> Danville, CA 
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-sam-hillborne-51cm/7179234888.html
>>  
>>
>> Romulus 
>> 56cm 
>> 1500 
>> Hayward, CA 
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/7184853848.html
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Matthew:

I have used a helmet-mounted mirror for decades. In my opinion, going out 
without a mirror is like driving a car with a rear view mirror—not smart. I 
check it constantly to maintain “situational awareness” of the vehicles on the 
road around me, including this approaching from behind. Being able to quickly 
glance to check approaching traffic before I steer around a pothole or debris 
is much easier than swiveling my head to look back.

My favorite is the Third Eye Pro, which has larger mirror than some others. 
Look for a secure adjustment system that keeps the mirror oriented in the face 
of bumps and wind.

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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Matthew Williams 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the past 
> forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of constantly 
> checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for several months I'm 
> thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
> 
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Matthew Williams]

Shucks, I searched for a thread on this subject! Where's the earlier 
discussion?

I have the non-brazed 22.2mm B901 Bullmoose bars. I don't know the internal 
diameter.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:28:11 AM UTC-7 Steve Cole wrote:

> Matthew,
>
> I started a thread a few months ago on this.  It's my view that mirrors 
> dramatically improve ones safety, especially when negotiating urban 
> traffic.  I may have a recommendation, but before offering it, would you 
> tell us what kind of handlebars you have.  That would limit the possible 
> solutions.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
>> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
>> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
>> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>>
>> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
>> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
>> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Steve Cole]

Matthew,

I started a thread a few months ago on this.  It's my view that mirrors 
dramatically improve ones safety, especially when negotiating urban 
traffic.  I may have a recommendation, but before offering it, would you 
tell us what kind of handlebars you have.  That would limit the possible 
solutions.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Ash]

Does anyone recognize the tire on the orange Hillborne in Danville, CA?



On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:00:55 UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Sam Hillborne with e-bike conversion
> 60cm 
> 3000 
> Bellingham, WA 
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/point-roberts-rivendell-samuel/7184801193.html
>  
>
> Sam Hillborne 
> 51cm 
> 2600 
> Danville, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-sam-hillborne-51cm/7179234888.html
>  
>
> Romulus 
> 56cm 
> 1500 
> Hayward, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/7184853848.html
>
>

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[RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone,

I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.

Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
recommendations for rearview mirrors? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Sam Hillborne with e-bike conversion
60cm 
3000 
Bellingham, WA 
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/point-roberts-rivendell-samuel/7184801193.html
 

Sam Hillborne 
51cm 
2600 
Danville, CA 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-sam-hillborne-51cm/7179234888.html
 

Romulus 
56cm 
1500 
Hayward, CA 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/7184853848.html

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[eric swain]

That would explain why I'm getting so many emails asking for permission to
view the pics! Ok, got it fixed.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:17 AM Max Diener  wrote:

> Just an FYI that you may need to change permissions on those photos so
> others can view them--I'm getting denied!
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:30:58 AM UTC-5, eric swain wrote:
>>
>> Hang on. You folks may want some pics. Here ya go!
>>  IMG_7294.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7295.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7296.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7297.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7298.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7299.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7300.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7301.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7302.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7303.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7304.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7305.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7306.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7307.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7308.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7309.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7310.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7311.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7312.JPG
>> 
>>  IMG_7313.JPG
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:32 AM eric swain  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everybody!
>>>
>>> So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about
>>> this for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a
>>> shame this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so
>>> I'm selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really
>>> appropriate for the list but send me a message if interested).
>>>
>>> About the bike.
>>>
>>> Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes AND
>>> disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs has
>>> been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, nothing
>>> major, just honest use.
>>>
>>> Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of a
>>> cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it if
>>> you like.
>>>
>>> Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver
>>>
>>> Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver
>>>
>>> Bar Tape: Blackburn, white
>>>
>>> Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped
>>> lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed,
>>> just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)
>>>
>>> Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake
>>> adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors
>>>
>>> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a
>>> campy/shimano mix, works great!)
>>>
>>> Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple
>>>
>>> Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34
>>>
>>> Chain: Sram 951
>>>
>>> Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46
>>> mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)
>>>
>>> Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm
>>>
>>> Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black
>>>
>>> Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road
>>> freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and
>>> hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.
>>>
>>> Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls
>>>
>>> Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass
>>> nipples
>>>
>>> Tires: Continental Race King 29 x 2.0, currently set up tubeless with
>>> Orange Seal
>>>
>>> Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.
>>>
>>> Saddle: Soma Hishou, black
>>>
>>> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, 

Re: [RBW] Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve had very good results using bags of activated charcoal stuffed into a pair 
of cycling shoes that started smelling bad:

https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Fresh-Air-Purifier-Bags/dp/B085VH36Y1/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3CTBDMJJ5MJGB=1=activated+charcoal+bags=1598627845=activated+charcoal+capsules%2Caps%2C329=8-1-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE3TUM1MEk0WjZFNU4mZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NjAzNzI2QjU1MlMyR1RTJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NjQ3MTMyMVFJQlpaTTY4SUxXJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
 


Strap a few of these to the saddle and put it in a bag as Dorothy suggests and 
you should find that the odor is diminished.

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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
> 
> I would say if cleaning the surface doesn’t suffice, put 1/4 to 1/2 cup 
> diatomaceous earth in a small cloth bag, hang it off the saddle rails and 
> wrap the whole thing in a plastic bag to let it absorb. You might get away 
> with just powdering it, but it might cling to the leather. 
> 
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-7 Joseph Tousignant wrote:
> Well that stinks!  (sorry, couldn't resist :-) 
> 
> Seriously though,  liberally rubbing in some Brooks Proofhide on the top may 
> loosen much of the offending molecules and offending olfactory updrafts. Wait 
> an hour or so and wipe off as much as you can with several paper towels.  
> Hopefully much of the offending sweat will come off along with the excess 
> Proofhide. Might try this twice,...for stubborn cases.
> 
>   There is also a leather "cleaner" I've used called "Meguiar's Gold Class 
> Rich Leather Cleaner/Conditioner"  that might do the job (Since 1901,...so 
> it's been around a LONG time!)  I've never used it on my bicycle saddles 
> though,...just on several leather binocular cases and on my Mazda MX-5 Miata 
> 2 seater leather seats.  In you case, I'd probably try this first. I bought 
> my 14 ounce bottle at a Pep Boys or Auto Zone Store several years ago.
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:
> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
> 
> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and have 
> been enjoying it.
> 
> However.
> 
> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs I 
> looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
> B-17.
> 
> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[Gustavo Vasquez]

I use a leather cream with beeswax for my saddles and not proofride. The 
beeswax in the cream should help remove it. 

Wax both the top and inside of the saddle 
Gustavo 

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> On Aug 27, 2020, at 11:08 PM, Joseph Tousignant  
> wrote:
> 
> Well that stinks!  (sorry, couldn't resist :-) 
> 
> Seriously though,  liberally rubbing in some Brooks Proofhide on the top may 
> loosen much of the offending molecules and offending olfactory updrafts. Wait 
> an hour or so and wipe off as much as you can with several paper towels.  
> Hopefully much of the offending sweat will come off along with the excess 
> Proofhide. Might try this twice,...for stubborn cases.
> 
>   There is also a leather "cleaner" I've used called "Meguiar's Gold Class 
> Rich Leather Cleaner/Conditioner"  that might do the job (Since 1901,...so 
> it's been around a LONG time!)  I've never used it on my bicycle saddles 
> though,...just on several leather binocular cases and on my Mazda MX-5 Miata 
> 2 seater leather seats.  In you case, I'd probably try this first. I bought 
> my 14 ounce bottle at a Pep Boys or Auto Zone Store several years ago.
> 
> 
>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:
>> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>> 
>> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and have 
>> been enjoying it.
>> 
>> However.
>> 
>> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
>> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
>> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs I 
>> looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
>> B-17.
>> 
>> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> 
>> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.
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[RBW] Re: Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Oh, I already bought it! Made them an offer they couldn't refuse... 
(kidding, I'm on furlough and can't dream of buying a new bike, but I did 
rummage recycle-a-bicycle's used bins yesterday)
But seriously, and as a concerned member of those folks who might fit that 
beauty, I wondered the same thing and assumed that my joke was close to the 
truth of it. If I had the funds, I would've reached out to Will at first 
sight of that headtube.
-Kai


On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:05:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I wonder when this one will show up:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CC9h8ulHRfx/
>
> Did it already go away?  Maybe they are waiting until they get the time to 
> build it up proper.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
>> all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
>> ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
>> waiting for the Charlie :D  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[Max Diener]

Just an FYI that you may need to change permissions on those photos so 
others can view them--I'm getting denied!

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:30:58 AM UTC-5, eric swain wrote:
>
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:32 AM eric swain  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>> So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about 
>> this for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a 
>> shame this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so 
>> I'm selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really 
>> appropriate for the list but send me a message if interested). 
>>
>> About the bike. 
>>
>> Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes AND 
>> disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs has 
>> been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, nothing 
>> major, just honest use. 
>>
>> Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of a 
>> cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it if 
>> you like.
>>
>> Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver
>>
>> Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver
>>
>> Bar Tape: Blackburn, white
>>
>> Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped 
>> lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed, 
>> just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)
>>
>> Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake 
>> adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors
>>
>> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a 
>> campy/shimano mix, works great!)
>>
>> Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple
>>
>> Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34
>>
>> Chain: Sram 951
>>
>> Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46 
>> mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)
>>
>> Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm
>>
>> Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black
>>
>> Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road 
>> freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
>> hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.
>>
>> Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls
>>
>> Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass nipples
>>
>> Tires: Continental Race King 29 x 2.0, currently set up tubeless with 
>> Orange Seal
>>
>> Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.
>>
>> Saddle: Soma Hishou, black
>>
>> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, silver with Wald 137 Basket zip-tied to it 
>> of course!
>>
>> Fenders: Planet Bike Cascadia 29 x 65mm, Black
>>
>> Cables and Housing: Cables are Campy, shift housing is Shimano, brake 
>> housing is Jagwire compressionless. I'll include 

[RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[Dorothy C]

I would say if cleaning the surface doesn’t suffice, put 1/4 to 1/2 cup 
diatomaceous earth in a small cloth bag, hang it off the saddle rails and 
wrap the whole thing in a plastic bag to let it absorb. You might get away 
with just powdering it, but it might cling to the leather. 

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:08:41 PM UTC-7 Joseph Tousignant wrote:

> Well that stinks!  (sorry, couldn't resist :-) 
>
> Seriously though,  liberally rubbing in some Brooks Proofhide on the top 
> may loosen much of the offending molecules and offending olfactory 
> updrafts. Wait an hour or so and wipe off as much as you can with several 
> paper towels.  Hopefully much of the offending sweat will come off along 
> with the excess Proofhide. Might try this twice,...for stubborn cases.
>
>   There is also a leather "cleaner" I've used called "Meguiar's Gold Class 
> Rich Leather Cleaner/Conditioner"  that might do the job (Since 1901,...so 
> it's been around a LONG time!)  I've never used it on my bicycle saddles 
> though,...just on several leather binocular cases and on my Mazda MX-5 
> Miata 2 seater leather seats.  In you case, I'd probably try this first. I 
> bought my 14 ounce bottle at a Pep Boys or Auto Zone Store several years 
> ago.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:
>
>> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>>
>> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
>> have been enjoying it.
>>
>> However.
>>
>> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
>> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
>> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
>> I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
>> B-17.
>>
>> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance, 
>>
>> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he 
>> wanted.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[EricP]

Jim,

Cool. Mine is due on Monday in St. Paul. Am really getting excited about 
it. Saw one near our place back in June. Smaller frame. Just love the look 
of the bike. And that's not easy for me anymore. Have all the parts needed 
to get riding. Even though I have Big Bens waiting, might give the stock 
tires a try first. And yes, it follows that since I have a new bike due, 
the weather forecast is for rain.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

> Mine is supposed to show up tomorrow. I'm super antsy for it!
> Jim in Mpls
>
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:30:38 AM UTC-5, Kurt Henry wrote:
>>
>> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
>> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
>> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>>
>> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color 
>> that doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  
>> Such a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
>> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
>> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
>> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
>> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
>> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
>> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
>> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>>
>> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
>> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
>> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
>> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
>> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
>> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
>> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
>> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>>
>> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
>> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
>> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>>
>> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the block 
>> a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not expect.  
>> There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into the stay 
>> (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts have more 
>> eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part way up the 
>> seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of fenders (or 
>> perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets behind the 
>> rear dropout intended for?
>>
>> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
>> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
>> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
>> surprise!
>>
>> Thanks all!
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>>
>> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive 
>> side.  I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), 
>> realized it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's 
>> jeep for a quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Nathan Mattia]

You can just send them to my personal email. 
nathanmat...@gmail.com

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 1:15 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
> 
> 
> I sent pictures but it says it's too big to send. Is it visible?
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:
>> Looking for a brown Brooks B67 
>> 
>> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Sam Perez]

I sent pictures but it says it's too big to send. Is it visible?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:

> Looking for a brown Brooks B67
>
> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
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[RBW] Re: Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[Joseph Tousignant]

Well that stinks!  (sorry, couldn't resist :-) 

Seriously though,  liberally rubbing in some Brooks Proofhide on the top 
may loosen much of the offending molecules and offending olfactory 
updrafts. Wait an hour or so and wipe off as much as you can with several 
paper towels.  Hopefully much of the offending sweat will come off along 
with the excess Proofhide. Might try this twice,...for stubborn cases.

  There is also a leather "cleaner" I've used called "Meguiar's Gold Class 
Rich Leather Cleaner/Conditioner"  that might do the job (Since 1901,...so 
it's been around a LONG time!)  I've never used it on my bicycle saddles 
though,...just on several leather binocular cases and on my Mazda MX-5 
Miata 2 seater leather seats.  In you case, I'd probably try this first. I 
bought my 14 ounce bottle at a Pep Boys or Auto Zone Store several years 
ago.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:31:03 AM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:

> Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members
>
> I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
> have been enjoying it.
>
> However.
>
> I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
> bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
> pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
> I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
> B-17.
>
> Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 
>
> Thanks in advance, 
>
> John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.
>

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