[RBW] Re: Derailer Pulley Question

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

First of all, are you certain it’s the upper pulley? I’m asking because 
I’ve never heard of nor experienced a Shimano ceramic bushing squeak 
before, and especially after so many remedial actions too. I guess the 
rubber lip seals, if run dry, may squeak, but if you oil/grease the 
bushing, the rubber seals will inevitably be coated too. Come to think of 
it, did you install the metal pulley end caps “inside” the rubber lip seals?

In any case, if you’re looking for replacements, pretty much any 
replacement with the same pulley size will work. I like the Tacx ones 
, 
but there are others, like from Velo Orange 
.
 
In all cases, you’ll likely lose the lateral float function of the Shimano 
ceramic bushing; but if your derailleur is adjusted spot-on, you shouldn’t 
have a problem.

Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[Hugh Smitham]

Whoa, a riv with discs my heart just skipped a beat :) I love it!! Too bad 
it's too large for me :(

Hugh

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:32:16 AM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:

>
> Hi everybody!
>
> So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about this 
> for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a shame 
> this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so I'm 
> selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really appropriate 
> for the list but send me a message if interested). 
>
> About the bike. 
>
> Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes AND 
> disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs has 
> been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, nothing 
> major, just honest use. 
>
> Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of a 
> cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it if 
> you like.
>
> Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver
>
> Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver
>
> Bar Tape: Blackburn, white
>
> Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped 
> lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed, 
> just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)
>
> Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake 
> adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors
>
> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a 
> campy/shimano mix, works great!)
>
> Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple
>
> Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34
>
> Chain: Sram 951
>
> Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46 
> mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)
>
> Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm
>
> Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black
>
> Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road 
> freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
> hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.
>
> Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls
>
> Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass nipples
>
> Tires: Continental Race King 29 x 2.0, currently set up tubeless with 
> Orange Seal
>
> Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.
>
> Saddle: Soma Hishou, black
>
> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, silver with Wald 137 Basket zip-tied to it 
> of course!
>
> Fenders: Planet Bike Cascadia 29 x 65mm, Black
>
> Cables and Housing: Cables are Campy, shift housing is Shimano, brake 
> housing is Jagwire compressionless. I'll include two extra brake and shift 
> cables from Jagwire also. 
>
>
>
> $2500 is my price. Local pick up in Portland OR would be great but I am 
> willing to ship. Feel free to contact me with any questions.
>
> ericrswain (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Swain
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559 brakes and Nitto Technomic stem

[Emily Guise]

UPDATE: Tektro brakes have been claimed.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:33 PM Emily Guise  wrote:

> Shoot, forgot to say that shipping would be around $13, shipped Priority
> Mail.
>
> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:26:57 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm doing a bit of a parts bin clean out, and I have a set of
>> Tektro 559 nutted brakes and a Nitto Technomic stem that I've never used
>> and I'd love to pass them on to someone else to use. Pictures are here.
>> 
>>
>> The stem is a 22.2mm (1") quill and fits 26.0 handlebars. I think the
>> reach is around 80mm and the height is about 150mm above the mark. $30
>>
>> The brakes are silver ones that bolt on, caliper sidepulls. More
>> specifics are in the photos. $50
>>
>> Post here if interested or email me at emilykguise [AT] gmail [dot] com.
>> Happy to answer any questions too. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Microshift thumbies, kickstands, Shimano dynamo hub

[Emily Guise]

UPDATE: Clem stand and Microshift Thumbies are spoken for.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 5:47 PM Emily Guise  wrote:

> Hi folks! The parts bin clear out continues. I have the following for sale
> (photos here
> 
> ):
>
> Microshift Thumbies set from my Clem Jr., I replaced them with Silvers.
> Used for about two years. - $40 shipped
>
> Shimano Nexus HB-NX50 dynamo hub. Standard 3W, 36 hole. It's about 6 years
> old; I had it on a bike for about 4 years and never had any issues. Just
> tested it and it works great.
> $35 shipped
>
> Clem Smith Jr. kickstand: I replaced it with a two-legged Pletscher, so
> don't need this anymore. Willing to let this go for the price of shipping.
>
> Black two-legged kickstand: This is brand new and never mounted. Not sure
> of the weight limit, but I would say it would probably be better for
> lighter rather than super heavy bikes. It has adjustable legs and swings up
> out of the way. $15 shipped
>
> Post below or email emilykguise [AT] gmail [DOT] com if interested or if
> you have any questions. Again, photos are here
> .
>
>
> Thanks!
> Emily
>
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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Patrick Moore]

https://vimeo.com/47833797

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "I deny that assertion categorically."
>
> Of course, it's not your opinion. Its ATMO.
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:26:21 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I deny that assertion categorically.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:23 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>>  So no "both sides are valid" here, I don't think the shoulder check
>>> and hearing is enough on the road.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Nick Payne]

You can get the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme in 26 x 1.6 and 26 x 2. Bike24 
carry both.

Nick

On Saturday, 29 August 2020 07:23:28 UTC+10, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
> corner the market. 
>
> Michael
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[RBW] FS: Microshift thumbies, kickstands, Shimano dynamo hub

[Emily Guise]

Hi folks! The parts bin clear out continues. I have the following for sale 
(photos here 

):

Microshift Thumbies set from my Clem Jr., I replaced them with Silvers. 
Used for about two years. - $40 shipped

Shimano Nexus HB-NX50 dynamo hub. Standard 3W, 36 hole. It's about 6 years 
old; I had it on a bike for about 4 years and never had any issues. Just 
tested it and it works great. 
$35 shipped

Clem Smith Jr. kickstand: I replaced it with a two-legged Pletscher, so 
don't need this anymore. Willing to let this go for the price of shipping. 

Black two-legged kickstand: This is brand new and never mounted. Not sure 
of the weight limit, but I would say it would probably be better for 
lighter rather than super heavy bikes. It has adjustable legs and swings up 
out of the way. $15 shipped

Post below or email emilykguise [AT] gmail [DOT] com if interested or if 
you have any questions. Again, photos are here 
. 


Thanks!
Emily


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[RBW] Re: Pickin' with Clem

[Mark Roland]

My first thought was you were doing something with your bicycle and a banjo.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:35:57 PM UTC-4, J Imler wrote:
>
> Today Clem earned his/her keep. I haven't decided on gender.
> If you're local to RBW and need a child's or young adult school desk, I 
> have some MUSA for sale.
>
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[RBW] Re: Pickin' with Clem

[Mark Roland]

I refer to my Clem L (The Bicycle Formerly Known As Clementine) as *El Clem*, 
an appellation that I feel acknowledges both the yin and the yang of this 
model. YMMV.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:35:57 PM UTC-4, J Imler wrote:
>
> Today Clem earned his/her keep. I haven't decided on gender.
> If you're local to RBW and need a child's or young adult school desk, I 
> have some MUSA for sale.
>
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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[velomann]

Like several others, I think Orange bar tape on a blue bike is a great 
combo.
But if it was me, I'd do a harlequin wrap because that's how I roll (heh 
heh). 
I'd do the main color of the bars in blue as well, with the highlighting 
color orange. My experience with harlequin wrapping is the highlight color 
only uses one roll for both sides because I only do the harlequin part on 
the flat sections of the bars. YMMV.

Mike M

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
> wondering just what I will do with it.
>
> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be 
> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>
> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
> getting work to point of replacement.
>
> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
> ...? Also shown below.
>
> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since 
> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Roadeo

[dp3]

The bike appears to have sold over the weekend. Thanks for all the interest!

For what it is worth, I am 5’9” with an 81 pbh. I measured a 71ish seat 
height. This seems in line with the 55 on rivendell’s fit chart. It always 
seemed to fit me well. The bike was also advertised on the group as a 55 
when I bought it. Cheers!

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm fairly certain that's a 53cm that was for sale here for quite a while.
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Dave, 
>> In the photos, how tall is the rider that the bike is currently set up 
>> for?
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-4 dp3 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Up for sale is a MUSA 55 Roadeo. I seem to be riding this bike less and 
>>> less after a recent move and a more trail riding. I am the second owner (I 
>>> think). I bought it from another group member a few years ago. This bike 
>>> rides great.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YsSySCYcKgeqWx1t7
>>>
>>> I didn't clean it up :). I think the frame is in pretty good shape, but 
>>> certainly a few nicks and scratches. 
>>>
>>> I would prefer to sell complete.  
>>>
>>> ultegra/velocity a23 wheels w jack brown greens
>>> mix sram rival/apex drivetrain (compact crank)
>>> nitto noodle bars
>>> velo orange grand cru brakes
>>> velo orange stem
>>> thomson setback seatpost
>>> cane creek 100 headset
>>>
>>> Asking $2000 Shipped.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Roberta]

Be sure to post pics of the finished look!


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 3:23:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> And the winner is --- Roberta.
>
> I like the all-blue scheme on the gofast too much to change it, so the 
> replacement tape will be as close to the Lizard Skins as I can find. The 
> red tape with sage green on the errand bike is also a favorite, so that 
> will stay.
>
> The BRG dirt road bike is the one left over, and besides will soon have a 
> bar transplant and require re-taping; voila, a concatenation of 
> circumstances that practically legislate the choice.
>
> Thanks, all, for helping me think this through.
>
> Roberta, the orange device on the bar is my K-Light; my Spurcycle bell is 
> black.
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:27 AM Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> It seems like you like the themes--the blue monochrome is so classy and 
>> unusual in the perfect color matching.  I love the look, even though you 
>> say the tape needs to be changed soon.  
>>
>> The Sage Green with red tape and matched Ortiebs must look awesome 
>> together.  I like the color scheme without the Ortiebs, too.
>>
>> That leaves the dark green bike, a more serious look.  A pop of color 
>> would make anyone smile.  Is that an orange light or bell I spy on your 
>> handlebars?  Perhaps you were subconsciously noting orange would be a nice 
>> compliment.
>>
>> I like Garth's idea of seeing the different shades of orange prior to the 
>> taping.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 10:52:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Several people have suggested putting the orange tape on a green bike. 
>>> But which green one, BRG or Sage Green? 
>>>
>>> I lean toward the BRG bike if only because I primly match my bar tape to 
>>> my red Ortiliebs on the Sage one.
>>>
>>> More comments?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Roadeo

[Joe Bernard]

I'm fairly certain that's a 53cm that was for sale here for quite a while.

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-7 spencer robinson wrote:

>
> Hi Dave, 
> In the photos, how tall is the rider that the bike is currently set up for?
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-4 dp3 wrote:
>
>>
>> Up for sale is a MUSA 55 Roadeo. I seem to be riding this bike less and 
>> less after a recent move and a more trail riding. I am the second owner (I 
>> think). I bought it from another group member a few years ago. This bike 
>> rides great.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YsSySCYcKgeqWx1t7
>>
>> I didn't clean it up :). I think the frame is in pretty good shape, but 
>> certainly a few nicks and scratches. 
>>
>> I would prefer to sell complete.  
>>
>> ultegra/velocity a23 wheels w jack brown greens
>> mix sram rival/apex drivetrain (compact crank)
>> nitto noodle bars
>> velo orange grand cru brakes
>> velo orange stem
>> thomson setback seatpost
>> cane creek 100 headset
>>
>> Asking $2000 Shipped.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Joel Stern]

Absolutely.  Good thread, as noted above I use a mirror but will surely use
my head a bit more to let motorists think about my intentions.  I do it now
anyway but Steve is correct, as we age our bodies don’t always let us do
all we want too.  After 2 back surgeAries and a variety of others I know I
don’t move like I used to.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not everybody has sufficient range of motion
>
> so that looking back over the shoulder actually works.  And not
>
> to deny Patrick's experience at age 11, but years later those
>
> aged vertebrae and related parts might not be as up to the job
>
> as they were back when they were young and unscathed by time.
>
>
> As Pete Seeger used to sing,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *How do I know My youth is all spent My get up and go Has got up and
> went...*
>
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>
> On 8/29/20 3:23 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That big cat is why I think mirrors are necessary. Especially in
>
> my area where half the cars that pass me are plug-in hybrids or
>
> Teslas, I can't rely on my (aging) hearing to know what's coming.
>
> It also doesn't tell me if the idiot is texting, a thing I can see
>
> through a windshield. So no "both sides are valid" here, I don't
>
> think the shoulder check and hearing is enough on the road.
>
>
>
>
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> On Saturday, August 29, 2020
>
> at 12:13:07 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
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>>
>> Good point about the car/bike comparison which
>>
>> fits my experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill's experience and response is much like mine, and
>>
>> this raises a question: If you start riding in urban
>>
>> traffic early -- I started in then-somnolent but still
>>
>> urban Bangalore age 11 when my parents let me ride to
>>
>> school through city streets, then rode more extensively in
>>
>> far, far denser urban traffic in New Delhi the next year,
>>
>> without my parent's knowledge, as far as I know -- I
>>
>> wonder if you don't simply acquire more thoroughly certain
>>
>> lifelong listening and awareness habits -- the knack of
>>
>> being aware of what is around you and of knowing where
>>
>> exactly you fit in to the traffic mix, and what you can
>>
>> and can't safely do in that role or position.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I also have not quarrel with those who insist on
>>
>> mirrors. Me, as I said, I could never trust them.
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at
>>
>> 11:24 AM Bill Schairer 
>>
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I won't argue against a mirror but don't find the
>>>
>>> comparison to driving a car without a mirror to be
>>>
>>> valid.  If one has ever driven a convertible with the
>>>
>>> top down without distracting music playing I think one
>>>
>>> will recognize what a difference hearing traffic around
>>>
>>> you makes in situational awareness.  I haven't used a
>>>
>>> mirror in over 50 years of riding in traffic.  When I
>>>
>>> was in junior high I rode to and from school on my 3
>>>
>>> speed with a mirror.  It served me well when one of my
>>>
>>> friendly school mates hurled an apple at me from a
>>>
>>> passing bus.  The apple struck and shattered my mirror
>>>
>>> much to the delight of those on the bus.  My parents did
>>>
>>> not replace the mirror nor did I ever ask them to and I
>>>
>>> haven't used one since.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my experience as a cyclist and a motorist, there
>>>
>>> is absolutely nothing that comes close to getting the
>>>
>>> attention of a motorist, and almost always a good
>>>
>>> reaction,  than a quick head check.  The motorist
>>>
>>> knows you want to do something, gets nervous and, in
>>>
>>> my experience, almost always will back off.  Worst
>>>
>>> case, they want to get by you faster and you do hear
>>>
>>> that.  My ears are always on, the first head check is
>>>
>>> quick, more a signal of intent that also gets my left
>>>
>>> ear out of the wind.  The second head check is a bit
>>>
>>> longer where I go for a visual.  The third lets me
>>>
>>> know whether or not the motorist is actually hanging
>>>
>>> back for me.  I'm not trying to argue one way or the
>>>
>>> other but just presenting the other side and
>>>
>>> suggesting that the choice not to use a mirror is not
>>>
>>> necessarily an irresponsible choice so long as one's
>>>
>>> hearing is intact.  For the most part, I choose not to
>>>
>>> ride roads where this strategy doesn't feel
>>>
>>> comfortable to me but it is close to impossible for me
>>>
>>> to go for a ride from home without being in traffic
>>>
>>> and I often prefer heavy traffic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have toured with friends who use mirrors and
>>>
>>> appreciate the "car back" calls from time to time but
>>>
>>> my experience has been that I am often aware of the
>>>
>>> car back before the mirrored cyclist and maybe the one
>>>
>>> first one making the call.  

Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[R Shannon]

Any questions on color, just ask Roberta:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Green and orange it is.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ray Varella  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>> I actually think orange looks great with green. 
>> I’m waiting for a frame to get repainted an olive/sage green and orange is 
>> my top choice for tape. 
>> Here’s a pic of Gabby to give you an idea. 
>>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
>>> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
>>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>> 
>>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be too 
>>> much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>> 
>>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
>>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
>>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>> 
>>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
>>> ...? Also shown below.
>>> 
>>> I don't have to put it on something right away; just curious, since several 
>>> bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> ---
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>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Frame/Fork, Mustard

[Collin A]

Nikko,

Doesn't look like it came through. Send to collinmichael91 at the google 
email.

Collin

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 2:01:01 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:06:08 PM UTC-7 Ray wrote:
>
>> PM sent
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:53:01 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy Everyone,
>>>
>>> Recently got a Joe that fits me much better than the clem that was just 
>>> a smidge too big for me. As a result (and being told by my partner that 
>>> there is only room for 3 bikes in our apartment), I have to post the Clem 
>>> for sale. I have some other bits as well (bosco bars, 26.0 stem, 0 offset 
>>> seatpost), if interested. Let me know if you have any questions!
>>>
>>> Album Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yS3UTYNWnAn6Qe1v5
>>> Asking price: *$600 *(local sale for preferred, but I have a box to 
>>> ship in case)
>>>
>>> Items of Note:
>>>
>>>- I am the original owner
>>>- Comes with Frame, Fork, Headset (bearings still super smooth), 
>>>Seatpost (scratched up, but is a 26.8), brand new 110 Shimano BB
>>>- No dents or dings
>>>- Plenty of paint chips, the most notable is D/S BB when my 
>>>derailleur overshifted during a climb. All have been sealed with clear 
>>> nail 
>>>polish and most areas are photographed
>>>- Just frame-saved the bike with boeshield
>>>- Cable guide and seat cluster nut/bolt is included
>>>- Trying to figure out if I can modify my framebag for the Joe, 
>>>otherwise I would be including that for sale as an additional $120
>>>
>>> Quirks:
>>>
>>>- Seatpost lug is just a teensy bit oversized, so depending where 
>>>the seatpost is clamped, you may experience some slippage. Current 
>>> options 
>>>are either use a 27.0 seatpost or order a seatpost from riv and have the 
>>>knurl the area where it will clamp (what I ended up doing when I owned 
>>> it 
>>>and experienced no slippage after the modification). Not ideal, I know...
>>>- This is the 2017 run (2nd gen I believe), so the bike is a bit 
>>>taller than the last run of the frames.
>>>
>>> The Pitch:
>>> The Clem is a great all-rounder, and lives up to the phrase on the 
>>> downtube "A tough bike to love." It served as my daily commuter, single 
>>> track shredder, MTB race bike, dirt tourer and general errand bike; It 
>>> accomplished all of those tasks with ease. However, the most enjoyable way 
>>> I had it setup was as a rigid MTB, no racks, fenders, etc. with some plush 
>>> 2.25 tires and the handlebars setup a little more aggressively.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in "Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups" Sacramento 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Frame/Fork, Mustard

[Nikko in Oakland]

PM sent

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 1:06:08 PM UTC-7 Ray wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:53:01 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Howdy Everyone,
>>
>> Recently got a Joe that fits me much better than the clem that was just a 
>> smidge too big for me. As a result (and being told by my partner that there 
>> is only room for 3 bikes in our apartment), I have to post the Clem for 
>> sale. I have some other bits as well (bosco bars, 26.0 stem, 0 offset 
>> seatpost), if interested. Let me know if you have any questions!
>>
>> Album Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yS3UTYNWnAn6Qe1v5
>> Asking price: *$600 *(local sale for preferred, but I have a box to ship 
>> in case)
>>
>> Items of Note:
>>
>>- I am the original owner
>>- Comes with Frame, Fork, Headset (bearings still super smooth), 
>>Seatpost (scratched up, but is a 26.8), brand new 110 Shimano BB
>>- No dents or dings
>>- Plenty of paint chips, the most notable is D/S BB when my 
>>derailleur overshifted during a climb. All have been sealed with clear 
>> nail 
>>polish and most areas are photographed
>>- Just frame-saved the bike with boeshield
>>- Cable guide and seat cluster nut/bolt is included
>>- Trying to figure out if I can modify my framebag for the Joe, 
>>otherwise I would be including that for sale as an additional $120
>>
>> Quirks:
>>
>>- Seatpost lug is just a teensy bit oversized, so depending where the 
>>seatpost is clamped, you may experience some slippage. Current options 
>> are 
>>either use a 27.0 seatpost or order a seatpost from riv and have the 
>> knurl 
>>the area where it will clamp (what I ended up doing when I owned it and 
>>experienced no slippage after the modification). Not ideal, I know...
>>- This is the 2017 run (2nd gen I believe), so the bike is a bit 
>>taller than the last run of the frames.
>>
>> The Pitch:
>> The Clem is a great all-rounder, and lives up to the phrase on the 
>> downtube "A tough bike to love." It served as my daily commuter, single 
>> track shredder, MTB race bike, dirt tourer and general errand bike; It 
>> accomplished all of those tasks with ease. However, the most enjoyable way 
>> I had it setup was as a rigid MTB, no racks, fenders, etc. with some plush 
>> 2.25 tires and the handlebars setup a little more aggressively.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in "Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups" Sacramento 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Roadeo

[spencer robinson]

Hi Dave, 
In the photos, how tall is the rider that the bike is currently set up for?
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-4 dp3 wrote:

>
> Up for sale is a MUSA 55 Roadeo. I seem to be riding this bike less and 
> less after a recent move and a more trail riding. I am the second owner (I 
> think). I bought it from another group member a few years ago. This bike 
> rides great.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YsSySCYcKgeqWx1t7
>
> I didn't clean it up :). I think the frame is in pretty good shape, but 
> certainly a few nicks and scratches. 
>
> I would prefer to sell complete.  
>
> ultegra/velocity a23 wheels w jack brown greens
> mix sram rival/apex drivetrain (compact crank)
> nitto noodle bars
> velo orange grand cru brakes
> velo orange stem
> thomson setback seatpost
> cane creek 100 headset
>
> Asking $2000 Shipped.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>

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[RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[True Golden]

I have also been quite pleased with these Maxxis DTH tires.
https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126217584

I think they are about a toss up with the Tioga Powerblocks in terms of weight, 
rolling resistance, and flat resistance.
Both are folding and come in at the 550g give or take weight range.
They also make a fatter DTH in a 26x2.3 that's about 200g heavier. 
Paul in Dallas 
PS: DTH stands for 'Drop the Hammer'
My dropping the hammer days are long gone.

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[RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[True Golden]

Also  I'm looking forward to trying a pair of Continental Contact Speed Bike 
tires in 26x2.0 with the 'basketball' tread like Riv Bike was selling in a 
700c, possibly other sizes.
I have 2 pair of them in a 700x42 and like them.
If you can find them they might be a worthy alternative.
Paul in Dallas 


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[RBW] Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

We need a little good news in the dark and twisty tale that is 2020. Lots 
of you will have received shiny new blue and green Clems at the time of 
this writing. I consider it your obligation to cheer the rest of us up with 
your new bikes. Stories and photos and impressions are encouraged and 
appreciated. Did you light up your world with dyno? Adorn the bike with new 
bags? Did you do a really wild color scheme? Are you pulling little 
bobble-headed cherubs in a bike trailer, or have you plopped them in a baby 
seat? Or maybe you are hauling adorable dogs in your baskets? Maybe your 
Clem is just streaking around naked because it’s your new exercise bike and 
you want it light. I don’t know, but I wouldn’t have to imagine if you 
would post your 2020 Clems right here.

I hope the Sams, Appaloosas, Platypuses, and Charlies will also have 
dedicated threads when they arrive. These threads will also be really 
helpful for prospective shoppers to have this info.

Thanks in advance,
Leah

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[RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[True Golden]

Hey Patrick and all.
Been out riding.10 miles out..several hours visiting a 95 YO friend.
Then the 10 mile return trip!
Very tolerable early but dang, about 1:30 this afternoon it was blazing. Mercy! 
Glad to be in the AC now.
Its egg frying on the sidewalk time!
I have Sun Rhyno-Lite rims that I measured outside width at 27mm on this 
particular bike, a made over Trek 950.
The Powerblocks in a 26x2.10 are measuring 52mm width.

I think they are a very decent smooth rolling,  not too heavy, not many flats 
tire.
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jan O.]

Sam Hillborne 54cm
Sacramento, CA

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-sam-hillborne-54cm/7186276310.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Frame/Fork, Mustard

[Ray]

PM sent

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:53:01 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Howdy Everyone,
>
> Recently got a Joe that fits me much better than the clem that was just a 
> smidge too big for me. As a result (and being told by my partner that there 
> is only room for 3 bikes in our apartment), I have to post the Clem for 
> sale. I have some other bits as well (bosco bars, 26.0 stem, 0 offset 
> seatpost), if interested. Let me know if you have any questions!
>
> Album Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yS3UTYNWnAn6Qe1v5
> Asking price: *$600 *(local sale for preferred, but I have a box to ship 
> in case)
>
> Items of Note:
>
>- I am the original owner
>- Comes with Frame, Fork, Headset (bearings still super smooth), 
>Seatpost (scratched up, but is a 26.8), brand new 110 Shimano BB
>- No dents or dings
>- Plenty of paint chips, the most notable is D/S BB when my derailleur 
>overshifted during a climb. All have been sealed with clear nail polish 
> and 
>most areas are photographed
>- Just frame-saved the bike with boeshield
>- Cable guide and seat cluster nut/bolt is included
>- Trying to figure out if I can modify my framebag for the Joe, 
>otherwise I would be including that for sale as an additional $120
>
> Quirks:
>
>- Seatpost lug is just a teensy bit oversized, so depending where the 
>seatpost is clamped, you may experience some slippage. Current options are 
>either use a 27.0 seatpost or order a seatpost from riv and have the knurl 
>the area where it will clamp (what I ended up doing when I owned it and 
>experienced no slippage after the modification). Not ideal, I know...
>- This is the 2017 run (2nd gen I believe), so the bike is a bit 
>taller than the last run of the frames.
>
> The Pitch:
> The Clem is a great all-rounder, and lives up to the phrase on the 
> downtube "A tough bike to love." It served as my daily commuter, single 
> track shredder, MTB race bike, dirt tourer and general errand bike; It 
> accomplished all of those tasks with ease. However, the most enjoyable way 
> I had it setup was as a rigid MTB, no racks, fenders, etc. with some plush 
> 2.25 tires and the handlebars setup a little more aggressively.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in "Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups" Sacramento 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Joe Bernard]

"I deny that assertion categorically."

Of course, it's not your opinion. Its ATMO. 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:26:21 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I deny that assertion categorically.
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:23 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>>  So no "both sides are valid" here, I don't think the shoulder check 
>> and hearing is enough on the road. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Steve Palincsar]

Not everybody has sufficient range of motion so that looking back over 
the shoulder actually works.  And not to deny Patrick's experience at 
age 11, but years later those aged vertebrae and related parts might not 
be as up to the job as they were back when they were young and unscathed 
by time.


As Pete Seeger used to sing,

/How do I know
My youth is all spent
My get up and go
Has got up and went.../

//

On 8/29/20 3:23 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
That big cat is why I think mirrors are necessary. Especially in my 
area where half the cars that pass me are plug-in hybrids or Teslas, I 
can't rely on my (aging) hearing to know what's coming. It also 
doesn't tell me if the idiot is texting, a thing I can see through a 
windshield. So no "both sides are valid" here, I don't think the 
shoulder check and hearing is enough on the road.


On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

Good point about the car/bike comparison which fits my experience.

Bill's experience and response is much like mine, and this raises
a question: If you start riding in urban traffic early -- I
started in then-somnolent but still urban Bangalore age 11 when my
parents let me ride to school through city streets, then rode more
extensively in far, far denser urban traffic in New Delhi the next
year, without my parent's knowledge, as far as I know -- I wonder
if you don't simply acquire more thoroughly certain lifelong
listening and awareness habits -- the knack of being aware of what
is around you and of knowing where exactly you fit in to the
traffic mix, and what you can and can't safely do in that role or
position.

I also have not quarrel with those who insist on mirrors. Me, as I
said, I could never trust them.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:24 AM Bill Schairer 
wrote:

D2685882-DD57-483A-B3E7-FA767D92B55A.jpeg

I won't argue against a mirror but don't find the comparison
to driving a car without a mirror to be valid.  If one has
ever driven a convertible with the top down without
distracting music playing I think one will recognize what a
difference hearing traffic around you makes in situational
awareness.  I haven't used a mirror in over 50 years of riding
in traffic.  When I was in junior high I rode to and from
school on my 3 speed with a mirror.  It served me well when
one of my friendly school mates hurled an apple at me from a
passing bus.  The apple struck and shattered my mirror much to
the delight of those on the bus.  My parents did not replace
the mirror nor did I ever ask them to and I haven't used one
since.

In my experience as a cyclist and a motorist, there is
absolutely nothing that comes close to getting the attention
of a motorist, and almost always a good reaction,  than a
quick head check.  The motorist knows you want to do
something, gets nervous and, in my experience, almost always
will back off.  Worst case, they want to get by you faster and
you do hear that.  My ears are always on, the first head check
is quick, more a signal of intent that also gets my left ear
out of the wind.  The second head check is a bit longer where
I go for a visual.  The third lets me know whether or not the
motorist is actually hanging back for me.  I'm not trying to
argue one way or the other but just presenting the other side
and suggesting that the choice not to use a mirror is not
necessarily an irresponsible choice so long as one's hearing
is intact.  For the most part, I choose not to ride roads
where this strategy doesn't feel comfortable to me but it is
close to impossible for me to go for a ride from home without
being in traffic and I often prefer heavy traffic.

I have toured with friends who use mirrors and appreciate the
"car back" calls from time to time but my experience has been
that I am often aware of the car back before the mirrored
cyclist and maybe the one first one making the call.  One of
my friends is very hard of hearing, uses a mirror and it is
frightening to me how often he is completely unaware.

That being said, one of my touring partners may have been
saved from a very unpleasant encounter when he noticed in his
mirror something trailing him. Curious as to what it was he
stopped and turned around to see this guy.  He was alone at
the time.  Kinda hard to know what might have happened had he
not turned and faced him down.  The cat took off when another
rider then came up from behind to sandwich him.  This is the
most compelling argument for a mirror I've encountered.

Bill S

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-7 Jim 

Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Patrick Moore]

I deny that assertion categorically.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:23 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

>  So no "both sides are valid" here, I don't think the shoulder check
> and hearing is enough on the road.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

Green and orange it is.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ray Varella 
wrote:

> Patrick,
> I actually think orange looks great with green.
> I’m waiting for a frame to get repainted an olive/sage green and orange is
> my top choice for tape.
> Here’s a pic of Gabby to give you an idea.
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color,
>> I jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me
>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>
>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be
>> too much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>
>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike
>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is
>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>
>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green
>> ...? Also shown below.
>>
>> I don't *have* to put it on something right away; just curious, since
>> several bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

And the winner is --- Roberta.

I like the all-blue scheme on the gofast too much to change it, so the
replacement tape will be as close to the Lizard Skins as I can find. The
red tape with sage green on the errand bike is also a favorite, so that
will stay.

The BRG dirt road bike is the one left over, and besides will soon have a
bar transplant and require re-taping; voila, a concatenation of
circumstances that practically legislate the choice.

Thanks, all, for helping me think this through.

Roberta, the orange device on the bar is my K-Light; my Spurcycle bell is
black.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:27 AM Roberta  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> It seems like you like the themes--the blue monochrome is so classy and
> unusual in the perfect color matching.  I love the look, even though you
> say the tape needs to be changed soon.
>
> The Sage Green with red tape and matched Ortiebs must look awesome
> together.  I like the color scheme without the Ortiebs, too.
>
> That leaves the dark green bike, a more serious look.  A pop of color
> would make anyone smile.  Is that an orange light or bell I spy on your
> handlebars?  Perhaps you were subconsciously noting orange would be a nice
> compliment.
>
> I like Garth's idea of seeing the different shades of orange prior to the
> taping.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 10:52:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Several people have suggested putting the orange tape on a green bike.
>> But which green one, BRG or Sage Green?
>>
>> I lean toward the BRG bike if only because I primly match my bar tape to
>> my red Ortiliebs on the Sage one.
>>
>> More comments?
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

That actually looks very nice, and were I not so fond of the blue-on-blue
of the 1999, I'd try orange on that bike.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:48 AM Litho  wrote:

> It would look lovely with either, but my vote would be for the orange on
> the sage green.  I'm in the process of setting up the exact opposite color
> scheme on my newly orange Appaloosa.  I've picked up lime green bar tape
> and am playing around with colored shellac to get the right sage-ish
> color.  Sage and orange is surprisingly beautiful together.
>
> At the moment, I have a blue saddle bag and net on my orange bike and it
> is really nice together.  My Appa was dark green originally and I tried
> orange tape with it.  It was okay, but I like the lighter green and orange
> much better.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 7:52:38 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Several people have suggested putting the orange tape on a green bike.
>> But which green one, BRG or Sage Green?
>>
>> I lean toward the BRG bike if only because I primly match my bar tape to
>> my red Ortiliebs on the Sage one.
>>
>> More comments?
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Joe Bernard]

That big cat is why I think mirrors are necessary. Especially in my area 
where half the cars that pass me are plug-in hybrids or Teslas, I can't 
rely on my (aging) hearing to know what's coming. It also doesn't tell me 
if the idiot is texting, a thing I can see through a windshield. So no 
"both sides are valid" here, I don't think the shoulder check and hearing 
is enough on the road. 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good point about the car/bike comparison which fits my experience.
>
> Bill's experience and response is much like mine, and this raises a 
> question: If you start riding in urban traffic early -- I started in 
> then-somnolent but still urban Bangalore age 11 when my parents let me ride 
> to school through city streets, then rode more extensively in far, far 
> denser urban traffic in New Delhi the next year, without my parent's 
> knowledge, as far as I know -- I wonder if you don't simply acquire more 
> thoroughly certain lifelong listening and awareness habits -- the knack of 
> being aware of what is around you and of knowing where exactly you fit in 
> to the traffic mix, and what you can and can't safely do in that role or 
> position.
>
> I also have not quarrel with those who insist on mirrors. Me, as I said, I 
> could never trust them.
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:24 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:
>
>> [image: D2685882-DD57-483A-B3E7-FA767D92B55A.jpeg]
>>
>> I won't argue against a mirror but don't find the comparison to driving a 
>> car without a mirror to be valid.  If one has ever driven a convertible 
>> with the top down without distracting music playing I think one will 
>> recognize what a difference hearing traffic around you makes in situational 
>> awareness.  I haven't used a mirror in over 50 years of riding in traffic.  
>> When I was in junior high I rode to and from school on my 3 speed with a 
>> mirror.  It served me well when one of my friendly school mates hurled an 
>> apple at me from a passing bus.  The apple struck and shattered my mirror 
>> much to the delight of those on the bus.  My parents did not replace the 
>> mirror nor did I ever ask them to and I haven't used one since.
>>
>> In my experience as a cyclist and a motorist, there is absolutely nothing 
>> that comes close to getting the attention of a motorist, and almost always 
>> a good reaction,  than a quick head check.  The motorist knows you want to 
>> do something, gets nervous and, in my experience, almost always will back 
>> off.  Worst case, they want to get by you faster and you do hear that.  My 
>> ears are always on, the first head check is quick, more a signal of intent 
>> that also gets my left ear out of the wind.  The second head check is a bit 
>> longer where I go for a visual.  The third lets me know whether or not the 
>> motorist is actually hanging back for me.  I'm not trying to argue one way 
>> or the other but just presenting the other side and suggesting that the 
>> choice not to use a mirror is not necessarily an irresponsible choice so 
>> long as one's hearing is intact.  For the most part, I choose not to ride 
>> roads where this strategy doesn't feel comfortable to me but it is close to 
>> impossible for me to go for a ride from home without being in traffic and I 
>> often prefer heavy traffic.
>>
>> I have toured with friends who use mirrors and appreciate the "car back" 
>> calls from time to time but my experience has been that I am often aware of 
>> the car back before the mirrored cyclist and maybe the one first one making 
>> the call.  One of my friends is very hard of hearing, uses a mirror and it 
>> is frightening to me how often he is completely unaware.
>>
>> That being said, one of my touring partners may have been saved from a 
>> very unpleasant encounter when he noticed in his mirror something trailing 
>> him.  Curious as to what it was he stopped and turned around to see this 
>> guy.  He was alone at the time.  Kinda hard to know what might have 
>> happened had he not turned and faced him down.  The cat took off when 
>> another rider then came up from behind to sandwich him.  This is the most 
>> compelling argument for a mirror I've encountered.
>>
>> Bill S
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-7 Jim Kramka wrote:
>>
>>> I use a mirror attached to my glasses and would never go back to riding 
>>> without. I’ve tried two different bar mounted mirrors and found them 
>>> significantly less safe and useful. I can look in my mirror without moving 
>>> my head. I can scan lanes behind and beside me with just slight movement, 
>>> something possible with bar-mounted mirrors only with large movements. And 
>>> my mirror goes with me regardless which bike I ride. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For 
 the past forty-five 

[RBW] Ultradynamico 650b Tires - Actual Widths? or Mixed Terrain 650b Tire Recs.

[David B]

I'm in a current search for a new 650b tire. I was using WTB Byways, then 
Horizons, but want something that geared more towards dirt than pavement. 
Local trails around me are a combination of dirt and gravel and my specific 
area is not as well maintained than other sections of a longer trail that I 
typically ride, so lots of tree roots, some rocks, 

I'm curious about the Ultradynamico offerings and would like to test them 
out if they're no larger than ~47 actual width. 
That's about as wide as I can fit in my Redwood with fenders.

So, anyone running the Ultradynamico tires and care to share actual widths? 
My rims are ~25mm outer width (~18/19 internal).

Or, any recommendations for a mixed terrain tire in an actual width range 
of 43mm - 47mm?
Thanks,
David

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano XT RD-M772-GS rear derailleur

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I have several Shimano RD’s. At least one is a MTB version. 

> On Aug 29, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Jan O.  wrote:
> 
> Still looking. Please let me know if you might have one you'd like to sell. 
> Thank you.
> 
> Jan
> San Francisco, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano XT RD-M772-GS rear derailleur

[Jan O.]

Still looking. Please let me know if you might have one you'd like to sell. 
Thank you.

Jan
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Bleriot

[Mike Godwin]

Jeremy
Check out this CL ad. I got a chuckle out of it because we think sometimes 
we have too many bikes. Bonus points if you can guess the airport in the 
first photo. This new google groups cannot reply directly to author. 
https://santamaria.craigslist.org/avo/d/el-monte-rv-6/7166052352.html  

Mike "current aviation buff" Godwin SLO CA

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Hi Daniel, 
>
> Out of curiosity, what is the saddle height in your pictures? 61cm is 
> probably too small for me but as a former aviation buff the idea of a 
> airplane-themed Rivendell has always intrigued me. I do run my saddle on 
> the low side for my height so I'm wondering if I could make it work.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA 
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 9:26:24 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
>
>> I'm selling my 61cm Bleriot which is set up as a fast all arounder. It's 
>> a beautiful bike and a lovely build. For my PBH (91cm), I have more than 
>> the requisite fistful of seatpost, but the fit works for me. There are some 
>> signs of wear on the frame, but not dents or areas I'm worried about. It's 
>> interesting to note that the write up in RR37 makes mention of fitting 46mm 
>> Golden Boy knobbies and recent experiments (not mine) have fit the 47mm 
>> WTBs and 48mm Rene Herse tires.
>>
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQMH6RsVTBWYidqu6
>>
>> Asking $1,500 complete (details below on build and a few discounts if you 
>> forgo a few components) + actual shipping (via ShipBike, insured). Or no 
>> shipping if we can meet in SoCal. I have a bike box and packing supplies on 
>> hand, plus a good friend who's an expert bike packer that I can enlist for 
>> help.
>>
>> Thank you for looking! 
>>
>> Daniel
>> Yorba Linda, CA 
>>
>> Details:
>>
>> Frameset:
>> 61cm Bleriot
>> A few paint nicks, not dents
>>
>> Full geo:
>> Seat tube: 61cm CTT / 59cm CTC
>> Top tube: 59 CTC
>> 67mm BB drop
>> 2* TT upslope
>> 85.1cm standover @ middle of TT (approx.)
>> 72* STA
>> 71* HTA
>> 50mm rake - if you're playing along at home, that's 57mm of trail on 42mm 
>> tires
>> 44.5cm chainstays
>>
>> Cockpit:
>> Nitto stem (measures 9.5cm CTC)
>> Nitto 115 bars (measures 40cm CTC)
>> Cane Creek SCR-5 aero brake levers with gum hoods
>> Newbaums cloth tape with twine, shellaced
>>
>> Drivetrain:
>> Suntour barcons
>> Shimano Deore LX rear derailleur
>> Shimano CS-HG40 11-32T 8 speed cassette...nearly NOS
>> Nearly new chain
>> Suntour Cyclone front derailleur
>> Sugino AT 110/74 BCD triple crank (drilled for triple; set up as 48-36 
>> double)
>> IRD bottom bracket (which I know because I can see that through the hole 
>> in the BB shell!)
>> MKS Grip King/Lambda pedals
>>
>> Lounge:
>> VO Grand Cru seatpost
>> Brooks Swallow saddle - If you don't want it, I'll knock off $100 (these 
>> are running $200ish new) and put a white Ritchey saddle on in its place.
>>
>> Wheels/Tires
>> Handbuilt & nearly new
>> Ambrosio rims
>> Deore M525 hubs (large flanges for stronger wheels, also 6-bolt-disc 
>> compatible…so this wheelset can do double duty on a QR-disc bike)
>> Wheelsmith butted spokes
>> Soma 'Grand Randonneur' tires. White, nearly new. (look great with the 
>> cream headbadge. If you're willing to replace these for some all black 42mm 
>> Panaracers, I'll knock off $60.)
>>
>> Braking:
>> Cane Creek SCR-5 levers
>> 'Silver' long reach (same/similar as Tektro R559) with KoolStop Salmon 
>> pads
>>
>> Accessories:
>> Velo Orange porteur rack with rail included. If you don't want the rack, 
>> I'll knock off $100 since these are running $165 new. For non-local (SoCal) 
>> buyers, I'd prefer to sell without the rack due to the rack width and the 
>> box dimensions. I guess I could pull the rack of and ship that in a 2nd 
>> box, but I don't think I have a box on hand that the rack will fit.
>>
>> Not included:
>> Water bottle cages
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 52 Clem H Frame/Fork, Mustard

[Collin A]

Howdy Everyone,

Recently got a Joe that fits me much better than the clem that was just a 
smidge too big for me. As a result (and being told by my partner that there 
is only room for 3 bikes in our apartment), I have to post the Clem for 
sale. I have some other bits as well (bosco bars, 26.0 stem, 0 offset 
seatpost), if interested. Let me know if you have any questions!

Album Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yS3UTYNWnAn6Qe1v5
Asking price: *$600 *(local sale for preferred, but I have a box to ship in 
case)

Items of Note:

   - I am the original owner
   - Comes with Frame, Fork, Headset (bearings still super smooth), 
   Seatpost (scratched up, but is a 26.8), brand new 110 Shimano BB
   - No dents or dings
   - Plenty of paint chips, the most notable is D/S BB when my derailleur 
   overshifted during a climb. All have been sealed with clear nail polish and 
   most areas are photographed
   - Just frame-saved the bike with boeshield
   - Cable guide and seat cluster nut/bolt is included
   - Trying to figure out if I can modify my framebag for the Joe, 
   otherwise I would be including that for sale as an additional $120

Quirks:

   - Seatpost lug is just a teensy bit oversized, so depending where the 
   seatpost is clamped, you may experience some slippage. Current options are 
   either use a 27.0 seatpost or order a seatpost from riv and have the knurl 
   the area where it will clamp (what I ended up doing when I owned it and 
   experienced no slippage after the modification). Not ideal, I know...
   - This is the 2017 run (2nd gen I believe), so the bike is a bit taller 
   than the last run of the frames.

The Pitch:
The Clem is a great all-rounder, and lives up to the phrase on the downtube 
"A tough bike to love." It served as my daily commuter, single track 
shredder, MTB race bike, dirt tourer and general errand bike; It 
accomplished all of those tasks with ease. However, the most enjoyable way 
I had it setup was as a rigid MTB, no racks, fenders, etc. with some plush 
2.25 tires and the handlebars setup a little more aggressively.

Cheers,
Collin in "Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups" Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Jim Kramka]

I use a mirror attached to my glasses and would never go back to riding
without. I’ve tried two different bar mounted mirrors and found them
significantly less safe and useful. I can look in my mirror without moving
my head. I can scan lanes behind and beside me with just slight movement,
something possible with bar-mounted mirrors only with large movements. And
my mirror goes with me regardless which bike I ride.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your
> recommendations for rearview mirrors?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Alex K]

They are Cazadero 42s!  Guaranteed.  No doubt.  100%

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> They come in 50mm 
> 
>  
> width too. 
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:
>
>> Thanks Justin!  Thanks Paul!
>>
>> Maybe those knobs are causing an optical illusion that makes the tires 
>> look wider than 42mm looking at the picture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:57:56 UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> JINX!!!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[stephen c]

the Orange Hillborne appears to have Soma Cazaderos. 

Does anyone have geo info on the Canti Romulus? is it the same geo as the 
eariler sidepull version? the geo charts 
 i've seen, 
don't mention a 56 size. 

thx. 

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> Does anyone recognize the tire on the orange Hillborne in Danville, CA?
>
>
>
> On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:00:55 UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Sam Hillborne with e-bike conversion
>> 60cm 
>> 3000 
>> Bellingham, WA 
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/point-roberts-rivendell-samuel/7184801193.html
>>  
>>
>> Sam Hillborne 
>> 51cm 
>> 2600 
>> Danville, CA 
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-sam-hillborne-51cm/7179234888.html
>>  
>>
>> Romulus 
>> 56cm 
>> 1500 
>> Hayward, CA 
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/7184853848.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Addison Quarles]

Michael, 
One of my distributors seems to have a stockpile of 26” tires at their 
warehouse in Indiana, including 20 pairs of marathon racers in 1.5”. 
If you’re interested in getting a pair I could have them drop shipped to 
you. Email me if you’d like: bicyclerepair...@gmail.com
After Jack’s Review of the Supreme EVO I wish I could get some of those! 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:08:34 AM UTC-7 Jack K wrote:

> Michael,
>
> If you liked your Marathon Racers then you may be happy with the Marathon 
> Supreme, but opt for the high-zoot Evo version. If you're used to paying 
> Compass/RH tire prices then even the spendy version of the Marathon Supreme 
> is bargain priced. Despite the name, Marathon Racers were never a 
> particularly fast tire and are now an old design.The Marathon Supreme EVO 
> uses Schwalbe's latest tire technologies and does extremely well in testing 
> and real world reporting for efficiency, durability, flat shrugoffability, 
> road grip, etc...  Can be run tubeless, if that's your thing and the black 
> sidewalls with reflective band are durable and surprisingly visible at 
> night. I'm running the 26x1.6" EVO version and am quite pleased with them, 
> but they're available wider (2"?) if you need more meat. I've ordered 
> several sets over a couple of years from EU-based mailorder shops (usually 
> Bike24, Starbike or Bike-Discount.de) and never paid more than $40 / tire 
> for the most expensive folding EVO version.
>
> If you'd like links to credible instrumented testing of this tire I can 
> look that up for you. Record setting Velomobiles often use a 26" tire out 
> back and every watt is precious to those guys, so there's been more than a 
> little lab testing and real world experience with 26" road-going tires. 
> Being part of Schwalbe's Trekking tire line the Marathon Supreme isn't the 
> lightest, fastest 26" road tire out there, but for everyday use I find it a 
> great combination of zippiness and toughness.
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
>> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
>> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
>> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
>> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
>> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
>> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
>> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>>
>> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
>> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
>> corner the market. 
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Derailer Pulley Question

[Litho]

Quick question for everyone.  I have a nice XT derailer that I'm swapping 
over to one of my bikes, but am having a problem with squeaking coming from 
the upper pulley.  I love the derailer, but actually removed it from 
another bike because the squeaking was driving me nuts.  I tried everything 
I could think of but it always came back.  My efforts included: 

   - Removing the pulley and cleaning it thoroughly. 
   - Lubing it with oil. 
   - Lubing it with grease
   - Removing all lube and running it dry. 
   - Taking it apart again.  
   - Trying each of the above several more time.  

I haven't replaced any of the parts yet.  It's a ceramic bushing in the 
pulley, not bearings.  Any suggestions?  Any recommendations on better 
pulleys I could swap in?  

Erik   

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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Litho]

It would look lovely with either, but my vote would be for the orange on 
the sage green.  I'm in the process of setting up the exact opposite color 
scheme on my newly orange Appaloosa.  I've picked up lime green bar tape 
and am playing around with colored shellac to get the right sage-ish color. 
 Sage and orange is surprisingly beautiful together.  

At the moment, I have a blue saddle bag and net on my orange bike and it is 
really nice together.  My Appa was dark green originally and I tried orange 
tape with it.  It was okay, but I like the lighter green and orange much 
better.  

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 7:52:38 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Several people have suggested putting the orange tape on a green bike. But 
> which green one, BRG or Sage Green? 
>
> I lean toward the BRG bike if only because I primly match my bar tape to 
> my red Ortiliebs on the Sage one.
>
> More comments?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Roberta]

For me, mirrors are a must!  

Right now, I have German Mirrors on my albatross bars.

Without bar end shifters, I like the Mirrcylcle bar end mirror, with the 
stem pointed down mirror pointed out, so it doesn't interfere with my hands 
at all (most pics have the stem pointing up mirror pointed out).  The 
mirror I think (remembering) is a better mirror than the German one.  Plus, 
I could rotate it in, so it doesn't make my bike even wider in the hallway.

I used to have a mirror on my helmet and I liked that, got a new helmet and 
didn't replace the mirror.  But as Paul Brodek commented, you have to be 
careful not to damage it when you remove your helmet. 

In Philadelphia, they are moving some, but not all, of the bike lanes from 
the right to the left, necessitating two mirrors per bike.  I might try 
Nick's helmet mirror suggestion for my left lane travels.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I use bar mirrors religiously and refuse to ride the road without them. 
> For Bullmoose and other flattish bars I recommend the Mirrycle MTB bar-end 
> mirror, it's fantastic. 
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
>> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
>> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
>> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>>
>> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
>> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
>> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Roberta]

Patrick,

It seems like you like the themes--the blue monochrome is so classy and 
unusual in the perfect color matching.  I love the look, even though you 
say the tape needs to be changed soon.  

The Sage Green with red tape and matched Ortiebs must look awesome 
together.  I like the color scheme without the Ortiebs, too.

That leaves the dark green bike, a more serious look.  A pop of color would 
make anyone smile.  Is that an orange light or bell I spy on your 
handlebars?  Perhaps you were subconsciously noting orange would be a nice 
compliment.

I like Garth's idea of seeing the different shades of orange prior to the 
taping.  

Roberta

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 10:52:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Several people have suggested putting the orange tape on a green bike. But 
> which green one, BRG or Sage Green? 
>
> I lean toward the BRG bike if only because I primly match my bar tape to 
> my red Ortiliebs on the Sage one.
>
> More comments?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Tires - WTB Horizon, Grand Bois Hetre (red, new), Soma, Conti Contact

[David B]

In search of a goldilocks tire for my converted Riv Redwood, I've collected 
a buncha 650b tires that are available.

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE!!! These are all listed in my webshop - please, please, 
please go through there to claim and pay. If they're shown as SOLD OUT 
there, then that means they've been sold already. 

Prices listed INCLUDE shipping in the US. 
I can also ship outside of the US - contact me for shipping quotes.

Since Google Groups is a bit of a mess with PMs right now, you can go 
through this link in my webshop to contact me if you can't reply offlist: 
https://treetop.bigcartel.com/contact

There's other items in my webshop, on-topic bike bags and a couple other 
parts and off-topic leather goods. Feel free to add those items and I'll 
adjust combined shipping if I can fit everything in a padded flat rate 
envelope.

Tires Available...

1. Grand Bois Hetre 

 
- pair, new in packaging, red - bought these just in case 47/48mm didn't 
work out, but didn't end up needing them - $110 shipped

2. WTB Horizon 
 - pair, 
tanwalls, minimal use, extremely minimal wear to treads, really not 
noticeable, so nearly like new tread - $70

3. Soma Grand Randonneur 
 - 
42mm green label, pair, lots and lots of use on these, tread is thin, best 
for a backup or to test fit in a frame - $25 shipped

4. Continental Contact 
 
- 1.9", ended up being too wide for my frame, wire bead, minimal wear to 
tread - $45 shipped

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[RBW] Who’s had a Bleriot and a Sam or Homer?

[Joel]

Wondering if these bikes handle the same, ride the same, etc.  My Bleriot 
as many know is a tad large for me, I have all parts to build up my 
Atlantis frame now.  I put the wheels on and the standover is perfect (55 
Bleriot, 50 Atlantis). Of course I am comparing 42mm on the Bleriot and 
48mm tires on the Atlantis.  I use Albatross bars and find putting my hands 
right in front of the curve vs. at the end gives me much better control.  I 
first notice this with the Bleriot after 10 years of no riding and was 
surprised my memory was blank on this, hence I ordered the Atlantis.  So I 
am curious about the handling of the closest bikes in the current lineup, 
the Sam and Homer. 

Joel

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[RBW] Free for shipping: Riv MUSA Knickers S

[Conway Bennett]

I'll take them if they haven't been claimed.  Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Free for shipping: Riv MUSA Knickers S

[Michael Ullmer]

Riv MUSA Knickers small

Free for shipping, there's plenty of stains, a couple holes, and the 
elastic around the waist needs to be replaced.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/3xpqNrq4y9yw5WJg8

Mike in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[RichS]

Patrick,

You can play around with shellacking bits of the tape to see what 
variations on the orange you might get before wrapping the bars.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:06:43 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> 
>
>I'll add to the orange-blue-yea.  Molteni orange tape and a royal blue 
> frame .   This photo to illustrate the complimentary nature of the two. 
> Of course royal blue is a general term and there are lots of shades of 
> medium blues like that. Regardless, they are quite complimentary.  Picture 
> a royal blue frame with Molteni Orange "Mathews" panels. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[RichS]

By all means, ride with a mirror. The German handlebar mirror Riv sells has 
been my go to for several years. The hbar location can be intrusive at 
times but the trade off has been worth it. Have tried a helmet mounted 
mirror but couldn't get comfortable with it. 

As valuable as mirrors are I look back if I'm turning or changing lanes.

Here's looking at you!
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 9:54:52 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

>
> I use a glasses mounted mirror. Since I lost MT Chuck Harris I am now 
> using these made in the US mirrors. 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C17M26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
> > 
> > 
> > Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[RichS]

Michael,

Panaracer ProTites could be an option for you. A versatile multi-surface 
tire. I've used the 1.75 size on my Atlantis. Priced right; $45 or so.
Also, I'd give a nod to Edwin's suggestion for the Pasela.

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 8:08:34 AM UTC-4 Jack K wrote:

> Michael,
>
> If you liked your Marathon Racers then you may be happy with the Marathon 
> Supreme, but opt for the high-zoot Evo version. If you're used to paying 
> Compass/RH tire prices then even the spendy version of the Marathon Supreme 
> is bargain priced. Despite the name, Marathon Racers were never a 
> particularly fast tire and are now an old design.The Marathon Supreme EVO 
> uses Schwalbe's latest tire technologies and does extremely well in testing 
> and real world reporting for efficiency, durability, flat shrugoffability, 
> road grip, etc...  Can be run tubeless, if that's your thing and the black 
> sidewalls with reflective band are durable and surprisingly visible at 
> night. I'm running the 26x1.6" EVO version and am quite pleased with them, 
> but they're available wider (2"?) if you need more meat. I've ordered 
> several sets over a couple of years from EU-based mailorder shops (usually 
> Bike24, Starbike or Bike-Discount.de) and never paid more than $40 / tire 
> for the most expensive folding EVO version.
>
> If you'd like links to credible instrumented testing of this tire I can 
> look that up for you. Record setting Velomobiles often use a 26" tire out 
> back and every watt is precious to those guys, so there's been more than a 
> little lab testing and real world experience with 26" road-going tires. 
> Being part of Schwalbe's Trekking tire line the Marathon Supreme isn't the 
> lightest, fastest 26" road tire out there, but for everyday use I find it a 
> great combination of zippiness and toughness.
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
>> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
>> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
>> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
>> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
>> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
>> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
>> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>>
>> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
>> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
>> corner the market. 
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Joel]

I use a glasses mounted mirror.  Since I lost MT Chuck Harris I am now using 
these made in the US mirrors.  
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C17M26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1


On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> 
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the past 
> forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of constantly 
> checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for several months I'm 
> thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
> 
> 
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 

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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Jack K]

Michael,

If you liked your Marathon Racers then you may be happy with the Marathon 
Supreme, but opt for the high-zoot Evo version. If you're used to paying 
Compass/RH tire prices then even the spendy version of the Marathon Supreme 
is bargain priced. Despite the name, Marathon Racers were never a 
particularly fast tire and are now an old design.The Marathon Supreme EVO 
uses Schwalbe's latest tire technologies and does extremely well in testing 
and real world reporting for efficiency, durability, flat shrugoffability, 
road grip, etc...  Can be run tubeless, if that's your thing and the black 
sidewalls with reflective band are durable and surprisingly visible at 
night. I'm running the 26x1.6" EVO version and am quite pleased with them, 
but they're available wider (2"?) if you need more meat. I've ordered 
several sets over a couple of years from EU-based mailorder shops (usually 
Bike24, Starbike or Bike-Discount.de) and never paid more than $40 / tire 
for the most expensive folding EVO version.

If you'd like links to credible instrumented testing of this tire I can 
look that up for you. Record setting Velomobiles often use a 26" tire out 
back and every watt is precious to those guys, so there's been more than a 
little lab testing and real world experience with 26" road-going tires. 
Being part of Schwalbe's Trekking tire line the Marathon Supreme isn't the 
lightest, fastest 26" road tire out there, but for everyday use I find it a 
great combination of zippiness and toughness.

-Jack K.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
> corner the market. 
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Rearview mirrors: necessary, effective, recommendations?

[Steve Cole]

Matthew,

Sorry it took overnight to reply.  Here's the link to my earlier thread 
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 I was wrong, it was posted on IBob not RBW.  And, it's a much broader 
thread about safe riding, although I indicate how important a mirror is for 
me.

I too have the Bullmoose handlebars, although mine are the B890Rs.  Over 
the years, I've tried many kinds of mirrors -- I think they are truly 
essential for safety, especially in cities and towns.  After lots of 
experimenting, like Rick Freeman, I settled on the Hafny.  I tried the 
German mirror Riv sells and really found it wanting.  Same for the 
Mirracle.  I won't go into the reasons here but will elaborate if you or 
anyone else is interested. Here's why I like, no love, the Hafny.  As you 
know it is a bar-end mirror.  Inserting it into the bar end and tightening 
it makes it rock solid.  I won't lose it and important to me, the image is 
stable.  Second, it's flexible with respect to placement.  By this, I mean 
it can be set anywhere within the 360 degree circle.  Personal taste. Mine 
is set upward.  Third, it has a stainless steel mirror, which is an 
important safety factor as it won't shatter.  Fourth, it's unbelievably 
inexpensive, $15; the Berthoud on the Rene Herse website is nearly $90 and 
has a much smaller, harder to use mirror.  The Hafny is easily available if 
you are willing to buy from Amazon.  

You didn't ask, but I use the Ergon Biokork GC-! grips.  They are specially 
designed for swept back handlebars like the Bullmoose, which sweeps about 
30 degrees.  They come with openings at the end of the handlebars and 
easily accommodate the Hafny mirror.  In addition, they really support the 
base of my hands, which rarely get numb anymore.  While Ergon grips are 
widely available, the GC-1 model is a little rare.  Be sure you get this 
one; it's easy to make a mistake.

Happy riding.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a small, bar-mounted rearview mirror. For the 
> past forty-five years I've ridden without one and I'm in the habit of 
> constantly checking my surroundings, but after riding in traffic for 
> several months I'm thinking a mirror might be a good idea.
>
> Do you use a mirror, or is it unnecessary? Does it help, or is it just a 
> gadget that isn't a substitute for turning your head? What are your 
> recommendations for rearview mirrors? 
>

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[RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Garth]

   I'll add to the orange-blue-yea.  Molteni orange tape and a royal blue 
frame .   This photo to illustrate the complimentary nature of the two. Of 
course royal blue is a general term and there are lots of shades of medium 
blues like that. Regardless, they are quite complimentary.  Picture a royal 
blue frame with Molteni Orange "Mathews" panels. 

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